Yeah... I guess that they would be taken even more seriously by the tech community (and tech press) if this had not been so prevalent.
- Antonio Marques
from email
I've never sold a print. I gave one to Scoble. Donated one for a Flickr Katrina Relief Auction and am about to put one in another charity auction for school arts programs. I signed the one I gave to Scoble on the mat I think, the one from the Flickr auction on the back of the print and the one for the school charity auction on the back of the mat.
- Thomas Hawk
I leave about a 1/2" to 1" border on all sides, maybe a bit extra at the bottom. Then I sign below the print with an archival paint pen found at most art stores (black or silver depending on the print). Name of print, year taken, and print number on the left -- signature on the right. The intent is to have the print matted outside of the actual print area, leaving the signature visible. For my square aspect photos, I'll sometimes sign right on the print so that the 1:1 ratio can be maintained.
- Brian Auer
ooh! good topic. I just framed my first print on the weekend and was thinking of signing it but wasn't sure what the "standard" was. or if one even existed. I think I like adding the Name of print, year taken along with a signature!
- Nathalie
I'm curious why you'd want to sign digitally. A signature is like your seal of approval stating that you made the print or at least oversaw it's creation and that the print is up to your standards. It's also the one thing that makes the print special and unique.
- Brian Auer
I've signed on the mat but I really like Brian Auer's method!
- Rachel Lea Fox
I've signed the mat around the photo, along with the printed title of the shot. I would not sign digitally -- to me that seems to detract from the originality of the piece. I like Brian's method as well. I think I will try that next time I print.
- Jeremy Brooks
Signing the mat is just fine too, I've seen plenty of people do it that way. But I'd only sign the mat if it were permanently adhered to the photo.
- Brian Auer
Back of the print. Don't trust signing the mat, and I see no advantage in signing the front of the print. And signing digitally makes no sense, at least to me. Like Brian mentioned, a signature is a "seal of approval". Non-signed prints I consider reproductions whose printing process may or may not have been overseen by me.
- Antonio Marques
I think I'd rather sign on the photo vs the mat as well. and not digitally. as far as leaving a border on all sides, I'm trying to picture in my head how this looks once framed and matted. wouldn't it take attention away from the shot to have a border on the photo, then the the mat then the frame? do you have an example so I can see what it looks like. I love the idea of putting the title but without this border, I also worry that it would cover up a key part of the image. (yes. I over analyse a lot)
- Nathalie
I love stepping away to do work and seeing the conversation bloom! Great conversation going. @Brian - I'd love to see an example of how you do your border as well if possible. I think that's a great idea and actually one I had thought of, but wasn't sure how to do it. For example, if you have an 8x10 print and add a 1" border to all sides, your aspect ratio is off. Also, like Nathalie...
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- Justin Korn
Nathalie, here's a shot of 3 prints hanging on my wall right now (from other photographers). -- http://www.flickr.com/photos... -- The one on the left is signed and matted the way I typically do it with the border. The one in the middle is signed right on the print and is matted with no border. The one on the right is matted with no border and signed on the mat.
- Brian Auer
Oh, and when I say "border" I just mean white space around the edge of the photo. I don't print an actual border on my photos. @Justin, as for the standard aspect ratio thing... I go under the assumption that the print will be custom matted -- it's not terribly expensive, even from a professional framer.
- Brian Auer
ooooh! that looks good! maybe I have to shop around because when I looked into custom mats - they'd run me about 15$ a piece. or more. I'm cheap. 15$ is a lot of money if you're framing lots.
- Nathalie
@Nathalie: If you're framing a lot of pieces, look into a mat cutter. Then you can purchase the full size pieces of mat material and cut your own. It's very easy to cut them, and you end up with exactly the mat you want.
- Jeremy Brooks
Brian - I figured you meant white space. I'm trying to streamline my process as much as possible and by doing so, I will be allowing clients to purchase frames and mats right from my storefront. This means the final product needs to be in one of the generally accepted aspect ratios. That said, I could easily add a 1in border to the sides and 2in to the top and bottom on an 8x10 to make...
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- Justin Korn
from IM
Justin - Offering multiple sizes with mat and frame can be a daunting task indeed. This is why I usually offer just the print and allow the buyer to mat and frame as they see fit. If somebody wants me to mat the print, I'll usually have it mounted on gatorboard and matted with the external dimensions being a standard size. So a 14" or 16" print will be mounted to a 16x20 board with a custom mat window -- that way it can be dropped into a standard frame.
- Brian Auer
I think a blog post series is in order... I'll see if I can post the intro tonight and get some feedback on which topics people want to learn more about. Between myself and the knowledgeable readers of Epic Edits, I think we can put together a good solid guide for printing, signing, mounting, matting, framing, and shipping these things.
- Brian Auer
Andy: You will end up with some waste, but many of the smaller pieces can be used again, for smaller prints. I have found that cutting mats myself saves me money over custom cut sizes, even with the waste.
- Jeremy Brooks
I like your thinking Brian. Looking forward to the post(s)...
- Justin Korn
from IM
That will be a good series, Brian! I have an example of a square format photo that I mounted in an oversized mat and framed in a 16x20 frame that gets really good feedback. Maybe a post on doing mounting/framing outside of the box would be interesting.
- Jeremy Brooks
Really looking forward to the square format info!!
- Nathalie
Jeremy - for sure! I recently did an 11x11 print mounted to a 16x20 board in the vertical orientation with the window slightly above center. Square formats definitely give you the extra options.
- Brian Auer
Feverishly working on an intro for this blog series... I'm really excited to get this discussion off the ground!!! Thanks for the inspiration, guys!
- Brian Auer
Awesome! I'm really looking forward to this series Brian!
- Justin Korn
from IM
Brian - I was going to write this to you directly, but thought maybe the community would benefit from it as well. I noticed you use ImageKind (or at least have a link on your website to it). How do you like their offerings? Would you recommend it? If you had a customer order something from there, how would you place your "seal of approval" then?
- Justin Korn
Justin - I like the quality from ImageKind and I would recommend their products. I've ordered several prints from them just to test the quality. But... I wouldn't sign a print from ImageKind. The prints I sell from IK are unsigned only. I prefer to have complete control over the quality of my signed prints, so I utilize a professional printer in my local area (and I watch over the print as it's produced).
- Brian Auer
Brain - Thanks! That makes sense.
- Justin Korn
from IM
Hey Justin, I know you started this topic because you probably need immediate answers, so email me directly if you want some 1 on 1 conversation. The blog series will probably take a few weeks to wrap up.
- Brian Auer
Thanks Brian! I'm going to let this information sync in for a day or two and I'll get to you directly if anything comes up. I really appreciate your input so far!
- Justin Korn
from IM
I tend to take a practical approach. I always sign the print itself on the lower white border of the print with an archival pen. Most of the time I'm using a pre-cut mat at a standard size and printing the image to the same size (8x10 mat opening with an 8x10 image size) to keep my costs down. This means the mat will cover the signature and number. If I'm showing and not sure of sale, I...
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- Greg Lato
Here is a better question: limited edition or not? If limited edition, what does that mean and how do you enforce and track it?
- Greg Lato
Ah yes... a touchy subject! The term "limited edition" has legal implications for each country and state. I prefer to offer my prints as "limited signed prints" rather than limited editions. In the digital age, limited editions are far more complicated than most photographer would think. http://blog.epicedits.com/2008...
- Brian Auer
How do we all feel about this? Personally, I would put ads in my tweets, and I wouldn't object to others doing the same. Ads are all the same to me, they get ignored.
- Will Higgins™
hmm, i dunno - tweets are so short that i probably would unfollow anyone who added them to their tweets. But on a twitter background, even though i wouldnt do it - i wouldn't blame people who did.
- Zee.
The problem with this is that you probably won't be able to tell the difference between an ad and, let's say, a site that the "twitterer" is actually recommending. Unless the user is providing amazing content, I'd probably unfollow.
- Antonio Marques
from twhirl
I'm yet to see this in action - is there a Magpie disclaimer in the tweet at all? if it's at all detectable, it's an automatic unfollow as far as I'm concerned
- David Miller
is this, firstly, in concordance with the twitter tos? i find it hard to believe.
- Tibi Puiu
I am going to try it. Says I can make $98.41!
- Stowe Boyd
Something is wrong, it says I can make $7,703!
- Eric Sessions
I tried Twittads, not Magpie. Magpis says I could make 286.11 €/month
- Stowe Boyd
What a weird service. It says I can make 5.08€/month.
- Anika
Oh boy, I could make 3 bucks a month. :/ Not worth it in my opinion. Interesting concept though.
- Geoff Girardin
How many of you still use DVDs or have moved onto the new formats and if so what format (Blu-Ray or HD DVD) and why that particular format? Anyone just given up on any of these physical medias completely and is digital-only?
I still watch DVDs...I'm waiting for a GOOD BluRay player to come out...and that would be the one that Oppo has recently announced. Although I can see the slow death of physical media happening as we speak. What with Netflix starting to download movies to various hardware and what not.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I'm having trouble getting excited about Blue Rays when I can see the HD Digital market outgrowing it in a year or so.
- Andrew
DVD still. Waiting for prices on Blu-Ray to go down a bit more. Of course, digital may surpass it before that happens. Since technology is changing so quickly in terms of entertainment media, I'm reluctant to jump on the latest bandwagon because something better might be around the corner.
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I never was a DVD collector. I only have around 15 or so. I have a HD-DVD player for the Xbox 360 but only rented a few from Netflix. These days, I'm either streaming or DVD rentals from Netflix. I may grab a PS3 for BluRay but I'm in no rush.
- Rodfather
I've stopped buying physical media for the most part and have gone all digital. The convenience of digital delivery is a winner and makes those large spinning discs seem like so very yesterday.
- Zik Daniel
from twhirl
Is there any Netflix for the UK? A similar site? I still rent out DVDs from Lovefilm. Blu-Ray seems to be the better (or more popular) physical format but probably won't get a dedicated player/recorder. I'd get a console (PS3 for Blu-Ray) to kill two birds with one stone. I still buy some DVDs but never before seeing the movie first and then only movies I really like and will probably watch again.
- Kol Tregaskes
practically digital only. We have a bluray player we haven't played a bluray title on this year, and we might occasionly put a dvd on for our son. There's nothing you can't download or stream
- Duncan Riley
been digital only since I moved to London from Seattle last year. mostly iTunes through Apple TV, with a little bit of Hulu through proxy spoofer and some BBC iPlayer on Wii Internet Channel.
- Jon Price
You think so? I actually like it. Gets a bit away from the norm. Maybe the top could be improved, but those are just details.
- Antonio Marques
from twhirl
It's not totally bad -- not much worse than the A700. It just looks blockier than the Canon and Nikon. But hey, cameras are tools, not fashion accessories.
- Brian Auer
Polarizer, UV filters (just for protection) and a couple of old Cokin colored plates. And you?
- Antonio Marques
from twhirl
Skyfilter, Polarizer, UV and I need that great Cokin colored plates so bad ! Hehe
- Martin Gommel
I love my Lee Filter GND Hard/Soft. Use them all the time, well almost ;-). In some situations it would be better to blend two exposures, but that I usually realize after the shoot at home :-( Other than that, I got a Polarizer just recently. Have to get familiar with that one though.
- Sven
The Cokin ones came from the film days, when adding some color or tone was not so easy (I only started scanning my negatives after a few years).
- Antonio Marques
@Andrea, but you use a polarizer or not really?
- Antonio Marques
@Sven : GND is a neutral densitiy filter, or ? What does the "G" stand for ?
- Martin Gommel
@Martin: Yes I own/use Gradual Neutral Density filters. I have them in soft and hard ranges from 1 to 3 stops.
- Sven
I'd say that the polarizer, or circular polarizer for that matter, is possible only of the only filters that Photoshop still doesn't accurately reproduce
- Antonio Marques
from twhirl
@Andrea, but why do your photos get rejected with polarizer? Do they give you a reason or is just a trend you started noticing?
- Antonio Marques
from twhirl
Using a polarizer, it's very easy to oversaturate in processing. All the colors become much more full (might explain the unreal looking or overfiltered). The noise might come just from less light getting into your sensor (maybe 2 stops less). I usually see that using the polarizer minimizes the gray layer introduced by reflections thus resulting in a higher quality photo. Of course I would not use one in interior shots, product photos, etc. But for landscapes it is a must.
- Antonio Marques
@Antonio : Hey Dude - I think the ND filter cannont be produced in PS either, cause you cant to longtimeexposures on daylight reproduce in Photoshop ;)
- Martin Gommel
hmmm. don't know if I understood you there Martin. The thing is, if you can get your exposure in a way that you don't overexpose or underexpose any part of the photo (even if the sky looks blown, for example) then you can imitate the GND on Photoshop. If you can't get it on one exposure, you can bracket (if you have a tripod) or just get 2 images from the RAW with different exposures and apply a gradient mask on them. Cheap GND right there.
- Antonio Marques
Hehe, i mean stuff like this : http://flickr.com/photos... (taken with a nd filter - see in the description) ... can you do this in photoshop ? That would be quite amazing !
- Martin Gommel
@Andrea : Hehe - I think I will choose the filter - this will take alot of time I suppose ;) Or ? Are there tutorials on the web out there ?
- Martin Gommel
:) No, PS can't do that. I have no idea what the result would be to use an f32 and smaller. Depending on the surrounding light (maybe at dusk) you might get away with it.
- Antonio Marques
This is the coolest image search service I've seen. They are giving me free accounts for FriendFeed'ers. Use this link to try it out: http://tineye.com/registe...
- Robert Scoble
Really? Surprised that Scobleizer *just* found this.
- Ivan Stegic
I like the idea of new media search tools, especially in images and video. I love hearing people answer how they plan on making money, it very often seems to be a touchy issue.
- Jeremy Campbell
from twhirl
Ivan: they were too. Hey, I don't always see EVERYTHING. :-)
- Robert Scoble
TinEye is really really REALLY cool. There's a huge potential there -- can't wait till the index more of the web.
- Shey
seems like a very cool tool. haven't found anything good enough to mark as "cool" but it's fun to see what comes back
- Steve Long
Yeah, it's a really awesome tool... I bet it's hard to see a gem amongst the rough sometimes, Robert. Especially when you are wading through as much electronic waste as I am sure you are. Whew!
- Ivan Stegic
Scobleizer: Man, everytime I look at that pic of you, I think of the Ghostbusters. Here's a search I just did on *that* pic, you really are omnipresent: http://tineye.com/search...
- Ivan Stegic
Nice! Thanks for getting FriendFeed the hookup, Robert.
- Phil Glockner
Also a big thanks from me for the invitation! Up to now I wasn't too impressed with image searching...
- Arnd Gronenberg
Looks like a great service..thanks for the hookup..
- Darryl
I've been using them for more than a month now, they really do amazing stuff.
- Yuval Atzmon
Scoble would have known about Tinyeye a lot sooner had FriendFeed been around sooner :) Glad you found them though. They have really good potential to be very powerful and useful.
- Justin Korn
A very cool tool indeed, especially if you need to keep track of where images are going around the Web...
- Chris Reed
Yeah tried this out a while back, should be awesome in the long run. @Ivan, that's hilarious about the fact that you think Scoble looks like a Ghostbuster...i've been trying to figure out what it was he reminded me of for ages! And you're spot on! :)
- Zee.