I've never sold a print. I gave one to Scoble. Donated one for a Flickr Katrina Relief Auction and am about to put one in another charity auction for school arts programs. I signed the one I gave to Scoble on the mat I think, the one from the Flickr auction on the back of the print and the one for the school charity auction on the back of the mat.
- Thomas Hawk
I leave about a 1/2" to 1" border on all sides, maybe a bit extra at the bottom. Then I sign below the print with an archival paint pen found at most art stores (black or silver depending on the print). Name of print, year taken, and print number on the left -- signature on the right. The intent is to have the print matted outside of the actual print area, leaving the signature visible. For my square aspect photos, I'll sometimes sign right on the print so that the 1:1 ratio can be maintained.
- Brian Auer
ooh! good topic. I just framed my first print on the weekend and was thinking of signing it but wasn't sure what the "standard" was. or if one even existed. I think I like adding the Name of print, year taken along with a signature!
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
I'm curious why you'd want to sign digitally. A signature is like your seal of approval stating that you made the print or at least oversaw it's creation and that the print is up to your standards. It's also the one thing that makes the print special and unique.
- Brian Auer
I've signed on the mat but I really like Brian Auer's method!
- Rachel Lea Fox
I've signed the mat around the photo, along with the printed title of the shot. I would not sign digitally -- to me that seems to detract from the originality of the piece. I like Brian's method as well. I think I will try that next time I print.
- Jeremy Brooks
Manually. I have only ever given away prints so there's always a message. But if I ever did sell I would still sign manually, each and every print. It's a simple way to say "I made this image that you like, and I appreciate that you want a print of it."
- Andy Bold
Signing the mat is just fine too, I've seen plenty of people do it that way. But I'd only sign the mat if it were permanently adhered to the photo.
- Brian Auer
Back of the print. Don't trust signing the mat, and I see no advantage in signing the front of the print. And signing digitally makes no sense, at least to me. Like Brian mentioned, a signature is a "seal of approval". Non-signed prints I consider reproductions whose printing process may or may not have been overseen by me.
- Antonio Marques
I think I'd rather sign on the photo vs the mat as well. and not digitally. as far as leaving a border on all sides, I'm trying to picture in my head how this looks once framed and matted. wouldn't it take attention away from the shot to have a border on the photo, then the the mat then the frame? do you have an example so I can see what it looks like. I love the idea of putting the title but without this border, I also worry that it would cover up a key part of the image. (yes. I over analyse a lot)
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
I love stepping away to do work and seeing the conversation bloom! Great conversation going. @Brian - I'd love to see an example of how you do your border as well if possible. I think that's a great idea and actually one I had thought of, but wasn't sure how to do it. For example, if you have an 8x10 print and add a 1" border to all sides, your aspect ratio is off. Also, like Nathalie...
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- Justin Korn
Nathalie, here's a shot of 3 prints hanging on my wall right now (from other photographers). -- http://www.flickr.com/photos... -- The one on the left is signed and matted the way I typically do it with the border. The one in the middle is signed right on the print and is matted with no border. The one on the right is matted with no border and signed on the mat.
- Brian Auer
Oh, and when I say "border" I just mean white space around the edge of the photo. I don't print an actual border on my photos. @Justin, as for the standard aspect ratio thing... I go under the assumption that the print will be custom matted -- it's not terribly expensive, even from a professional framer.
- Brian Auer
ooooh! that looks good! maybe I have to shop around because when I looked into custom mats - they'd run me about 15$ a piece. or more. I'm cheap. 15$ is a lot of money if you're framing lots.
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
@Nathalie: If you're framing a lot of pieces, look into a mat cutter. Then you can purchase the full size pieces of mat material and cut your own. It's very easy to cut them, and you end up with exactly the mat you want.
- Jeremy Brooks
Brian - I figured you meant white space. I'm trying to streamline my process as much as possible and by doing so, I will be allowing clients to purchase frames and mats right from my storefront. This means the final product needs to be in one of the generally accepted aspect ratios. That said, I could easily add a 1in border to the sides and 2in to the top and bottom on an 8x10 to make...
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- Justin Korn
from IM
Side question, but when you're cutting mats is there a lot of waste? Been thinking about going the mat cutter route, but worried that I'm going to end up with a lot of image sized pieces of mat card lying around that I am never going to use...
- Andy Bold
Justin - Offering multiple sizes with mat and frame can be a daunting task indeed. This is why I usually offer just the print and allow the buyer to mat and frame as they see fit. If somebody wants me to mat the print, I'll usually have it mounted on gatorboard and matted with the external dimensions being a standard size. So a 14" or 16" print will be mounted to a 16x20 board with a custom mat window -- that way it can be dropped into a standard frame.
- Brian Auer
I think a blog post series is in order... I'll see if I can post the intro tonight and get some feedback on which topics people want to learn more about. Between myself and the knowledgeable readers of Epic Edits, I think we can put together a good solid guide for printing, signing, mounting, matting, framing, and shipping these things.
- Brian Auer
Andy: You will end up with some waste, but many of the smaller pieces can be used again, for smaller prints. I have found that cutting mats myself saves me money over custom cut sizes, even with the waste.
- Jeremy Brooks
I like your thinking Brian. Looking forward to the post(s)...
- Justin Korn
from IM
That will be a good series, Brian! I have an example of a square format photo that I mounted in an oversized mat and framed in a 16x20 frame that gets really good feedback. Maybe a post on doing mounting/framing outside of the box would be interesting.
- Jeremy Brooks
Jeremy - for sure! I recently did an 11x11 print mounted to a 16x20 board in the vertical orientation with the window slightly above center. Square formats definitely give you the extra options.
- Brian Auer
Feverishly working on an intro for this blog series... I'm really excited to get this discussion off the ground!!! Thanks for the inspiration, guys!
- Brian Auer
Awesome! I'm really looking forward to this series Brian!
- Justin Korn
from IM
Brian - I was going to write this to you directly, but thought maybe the community would benefit from it as well. I noticed you use ImageKind (or at least have a link on your website to it). How do you like their offerings? Would you recommend it? If you had a customer order something from there, how would you place your "seal of approval" then?
- Justin Korn
Justin - I like the quality from ImageKind and I would recommend their products. I've ordered several prints from them just to test the quality. But... I wouldn't sign a print from ImageKind. The prints I sell from IK are unsigned only. I prefer to have complete control over the quality of my signed prints, so I utilize a professional printer in my local area (and I watch over the print as it's produced).
- Brian Auer
Brain - Thanks! That makes sense.
- Justin Korn
from IM
Hey Justin, I know you started this topic because you probably need immediate answers, so email me directly if you want some 1 on 1 conversation. The blog series will probably take a few weeks to wrap up.
- Brian Auer
Thanks Brian! I'm going to let this information sync in for a day or two and I'll get to you directly if anything comes up. I really appreciate your input so far!
- Justin Korn
from IM
I tend to take a practical approach. I always sign the print itself on the lower white border of the print with an archival pen. Most of the time I'm using a pre-cut mat at a standard size and printing the image to the same size (8x10 mat opening with an 8x10 image size) to keep my costs down. This means the mat will cover the signature and number. If I'm showing and not sure of sale, I...
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- Greg Lato
Here is a better question: limited edition or not? If limited edition, what does that mean and how do you enforce and track it?
- Greg Lato
Ah yes... a touchy subject! The term "limited edition" has legal implications for each country and state. I prefer to offer my prints as "limited signed prints" rather than limited editions. In the digital age, limited editions are far more complicated than most photographer would think. http://blog.epicedits.com/2008...
- Brian Auer
CNBC is talking about the Google/energy story right now, says it's not just Google. Says in general websites generate 20mg of CO2 per *second* you are on the site. OMG, us FriendFeed addicts are killing the earth!!!!!!!
comparatively the # of computers which aren't running at near max load & could be migrated to virtual are creating far more CO2 then those searches
- clarke thomas
good point Clarke. Someone I'm having a hard time feeling bad about the CO2 that my internet consumption creates. Maybe I should but I just can't imagine going without the internet and can't imagine it's really the worst polluting sort of thing you might do with your time.
- Thomas Hawk
Did CNBC publish this story on the Internet?
- Edward Zwart
It's OK; we exhale 11mg of CO2 per second so just hold your breath while surfing.
- Robert Hafer
Oh, it's no worse than sending smoke signals.
- Morton Fox
I generate 900g per day or 10.5mg/sec all day, every day. So, being online is equivalent to having two friends magically breathing with me, but only when I'm online. Considering the utility of "online" and the fact that I'm not online all of the time, I'd say that's pretty good.
- Adam Collins
I cut out a lot of CO2 by using social networking tools,skype, webex, email and sharepoint to work with my development team in Bangkok instead of catching a flight down there for each project. I think this cutting out by reducing travel has had a larger impact in various domains of human interaction has had a larger impact than what CNBC is talking about.
- Kamath (नमः)
So, staying online, hardcore, 12 hours a day would produce less than 0.6 kg of CO2. Driving my car to work and back, however, generates about 11 kg of CO2. I'm going to have a talk with my boss...
- Adam Collins
"Per second you are on the site" is a pretty meaningless metric. If I spend 5 minutes reading a page it's not taxing their servers any more than if I loaded it and immediately shut down my computer.
- Kevin Fox
20mg per second? This seems to be "we're surrounded by deadly DHMO (aka water)" level of paranoia.
- Alex Power
Google has a great response post at http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009... Money quote: "In the time it takes to do a Google search, your own personal computer will use more energy than Google uses to answer your query."
- Kevin Fox
Oh sh*t this is bad news! I am a top offender on FF huh?! Ok, we need to virtualize way more DCs folks!
- Susan Beebe
My backyard is filled with trees..does that count as an offset ?
- Mo Kargas
I have to admit while a hardened and cynical Internet user I thought people would actually share photos on PhotoSwap. After 2 days of experimenting with it one thing is clear. Its overun by horny guys gay or straight looking for boob or cock photos to get off on. A great concept overrun with hornballs.
- Jim Goldstein
0,61. Just terrible :( "A ratio of less than 1.0 indicates that you are seeking knowledge (and Twitter Friends), but not getting much Twitter Love in return"
- Baard @ Pixum
You think so? I actually like it. Gets a bit away from the norm. Maybe the top could be improved, but those are just details.
- Antonio Marques
from twhirl
It's not totally bad -- not much worse than the A700. It just looks blockier than the Canon and Nikon. But hey, cameras are tools, not fashion accessories.
- Brian Auer
Finished listening to PhotoNetCast #8 Photo Competitions on today's walk. Thought it was one of the better ones in series http://www.photonetcast.com/2008...
NOOOOO!! I didn't get to read all the comments. UGH! Sorry to those who left comments, I lost everything when the last Ginger Man I favorited popped up :(
- Mona Nomura
"Thanks for checking out my Photoshop actions! I’m a pretty firm believer that post processing is part of the creative process and these actions are designed to give your photos that little something extra. These actions are basically the same as the ones I wrote for myself, they’ve just got a bunch of instructions in them now to make it easier for you to use. The best thing is, they’re TOTALLY FREE!"
- jerry
from Bookmarklet
I'm getting tired of the high contrast look. I use it myself when I have to... but I think we are getting to the point where people prefer the honesty of the original
- Noah David Simon
Noah: not all of them are quite this contrasty, I just thought this example displayed better here. Personally, I am a huge fan of heavy contrast B&W, but ever so often, my wife wants to see our kids in color. =D
- jerry