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"A Perfect Social Network World - well let's say a better SN world - could it be? As you know, there are many social networks popping up everyday and we have had our frustrations with LI eg the flaggers, the vindictive jealous people, the changes in policies, the outlandous and frustrations with LI and how they do business. I have always said, there would be a new SN com along and I truly believe there is an opportunity at Perfect Networker to make this "our kind of social network site" and right now would be the time to join. It would be a long shot and we would have to change sites and begin again, however the creators are willing to listen, willing to go the distance and allow us to help shape this site to really be a true Professional Networking place without all the stringent rules and regulations." - Vincent Wright via Bookmarklet
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As a small business, "you don't have to be "number one" to have your sales numbers experience a satisfying increase - you just have to get creative and discover how to frame a perceived disadvantage as a powerful competitive edge." - Amadou M. Sall
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Says Mack Collier: "To me, monitoring and properly responding to what current and potential customers are saying online about your company, is the natural foundation of any social media strategy." - Amadou M. Sall
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Robert Scoble commented on a blog post on Disqus
July 11 at 11:23 pm - Link
"It's about time." - Robert Scoble
He had me until the last two paragraphs... "The a-list died because we’re tired of them and their incessant drama and posturing for attention...." "The a-list died because guys like Loren Feldman exposed them...." These two comments smell of the constant jealousy I see from the NON-A-Listers. As for Feldman, he's just realized that it's easier to get attention by burning down a barn than building one. I like the rest of the post and think it has great merit. - ScottBourne
Oh delicious irony... The only reason I just read that was because two of my 'A-List' heroes, Mr Bourne and Mr Scoble, brought it to my attention on FriendFeed... mmm thats tasty! - John Worthington
Thanks for the promotion John but I'm hardly an A-Lister. Scoble - absolutely. He still has large influence as do all the "A-listers." But I do think that the time is coming soon when everyone will be an A-lister. I don't agree that the A-List is dead. I just think everyone else will soon be invited to join in and be part of that list. - ScottBourne
I don't think the A-list is dead, it's just less exclusive because of the new communication tools available. The A-list will probably get bigger, making each individual member less dominant, but it will still exist. - Kevin Bondelli
Scott, I agree that everyone is now getting the chance to become an A-Lister. But an A-Lister in what? I think the author may have missed a point slighty. It's not that I have a shot at becoming well know and respected, it's I can now choose to filter out those people or subjects that do not intrest me. I do regard you as an A-Lister in the rhelm of photography, Mac, certainly iPhones and podcast creation but to someone else that may not be the case. Social media has empowered chioce. - John Worthington
And certainly the fact people like you and Robert haven't had to play all the 'corporate' games and have the power over your own brands and content has allowed far more genuine and personal relationship to form with the people who areintrested and trust your opinions. - John Worthington
If they A-List is not yet dead, it is certainly becoming less important as blogging and social media normalize and more people use them as part of their personal and business life. While each day, Scoble's followers may still rise, the growth of social media is such that rises faster, giving Scoble a smaller share of the whole universe every day. - shelisrael1
Purely from the outsider perspective, why are some folks getting so up in arms about this? Isn't it a good thing to have more voices in the mix? More channels in which more can contribute their thoughts and ideas. So far, Robert whom I have yet to "meat" in the RW, has come across to me as a pretty decent person. - Mathew A. Koeneker
I'm not in the A-list because my last name does not begin with the letter 'A'. Let's all just move on from this nonsense, shall we? - Akiva Moskovitz
No matter what the medium, some people will get more attention than others. It was true when George Washington entered the doors of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, it's true today when (insert name here) writes a blog post, and it will be true in 2727 when Miraloma Xanadu sends her brain waves to the Bigg Sstar. Perhaps the new technologies may accelerate the turnover of names on the A list, but the technologies won't change humans' basic nature; we'll always consider a few people as "experts" who must be heard. - Ontario Emperor via fftogo
Miraloma Xanadu is totally overrated. She conspired to get me fired off Space Dock 13 and has been ganging up on me ever since. - Kevin Bondelli
@Ontario: Miraloma will have to use brainwaves in 2727 cause Twitter still won't work by then... :P - John Worthington
I'm with Kevin. Miraloma Xanadu is a hack. She still owes me 2.7 gigacredits from that time she "forgot" her chips and I had to buy her lunch. She's not that interesting in RL. Heck, she's not that interesting on the net, either. And don't get me started on her B2B (brain-to-brain) show. ugh. - Harvey Simmons
Jim makes excellent points. I don't see it as a negative but a need to simply evolve as conversations and influence become increasingly mobile. While it is true that everyone has the potential to have reach not all will become thought leaders or influencers. Everyone can present themselves as an expert but not everyone has expertise. - Karen Swim
The contention that there is no more A-list can be proven (more or less) mathematically. It is generally accepted (though not universally) that the blogosphere (and Hollywood, and most social networks) are scale-free networks -- meaning, the network has an A-list and a "long tail." If you count the nodes in the network and the number of connections per node, you can identify which nodes are in the A-list and which nodes are in the tail. - Karim
A large part of A-list authority involves *access*, to people making news, new products in the pipeline and simple geographic proximity (Silicon Valley) to the center of gravity. That won't change very quickly. - Sprague D
If the author is saying "the A-list is dead," he is saying one of two things: either the nodes in the A-list have changed -- and networks change all the time, nodes gain and lose connections, this is no surprise -- or, he is saying the network is no longer a *scale-free* network, it is a flat network, the A-list doesn't exist at all. The first contention is common sense. It can be established quantifiably. The second contention seems less likely. - Karim
Circle jerk. The blind leading the blind. A herd of independent minds. Strong and original minds usually do not clump together in conclaves of mutual navel-gazing. (Btw, some of the A-listers ARE strong and independent minds. A-listedness was thrust upon them; they didn't seek it out.) - Sean McBride
Jim Kukral might have pronounced the A-list as dead, but sometimes reports of something's death are exaggerated. ;-) Robert Scoble might be saying "about time," but it seems to me he does a good job of hopping on new social networks, gobbling up connections to other nodes. Except for maybe Plurk. heh - Karim
I'm calling BS and linkbait. There will always be an A-list. As humans, we are incapable of existing without instituting some sort of royalty. And for every person who stared at Scoble with dead eyes, I heard "Hey Robert!" just as often (mind you, that wouldn't have happened HERE, for instance, but I took it as normal in the abnormal world of California). - Cyndy
@Sean, not that I'm disagreeing with you ;-) but in the human population, what is the distribution of "strong and original minds?" :-D - Karim
Karim: .01%? In any case, as a rule they don't tend to get too cozy with one another. - Sean McBride
who defines this a-list you speak of? - .LAGizmoto
@LAG, we do. Through our reading/following behavior. - Sprague D
It's like the Supreme Court said about porn, you know an A-lister when you see one. For example, Scoble is obviously A-list because there are 21 comments to him saying three words. - Kevin Bondelli
One can quibble over the methods of definition. How do you determine the most popular songs in any given week? Store purchases? Radio airplay? Legal downloads? Illegal downloads? We've been working on that problem for decades. I don't think there's a consensus on how to measure the A-list (reads? links? mentions in Google? mentions on Truemors?), or what the boundary is between A-list and B-list. - Ontario Emperor via fftogo
so it's like the 'cool kids' table in the cafeteria back in high school? and like that table, outside of the school walls, it didn't mean much to anyone else? - .LAGizmoto
Ontario, yes, the demarcation is somewhat arbitrary -- it could just as well be "Top 97" or "Top 103" instead of "Top 100" -- but it seems a bit like the author might have been saying there was NO TOP. First he says "it's dying," then he changes his mind and says no wait, it's dead, it's been *eliminated.* That means there is no A-list, and that young Billie Jean Schmuckington's compilation of her favorite LOLcats carries just as much weight as Scoble. :-D - Karim
.LAG, yes, it's exactly like that. Usually when you talk about network effects, you constrain the discussion to a specific network. That was one problem with the article -- was the author talking about blogs? Or FriendFeed? Or Facebook? Or the Intarwebs in general? Different networks will have different A-lists. The lunch table A-list probably doesn't matter much on FriendFeed, and vice versa. - Karim
I'm perfectly happy with life on the D list, myself. - Helen Is SOOO Not Of Troy
I keep leaving a comment on the post, but then it disappears. Main points were: Blogosphere growing up is a good thing, but the A-list isn't going to die, just weaken. - David Cohn
I'm holding down the Green list...we just use colors now that the alphabets taken up - Brian Ries
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July 10 at 2:02 pm - Link
"You'll look back on your journey and see not social media, but lives saved, lives changed and improved, products and services bought and sold, brands built, communities bettered." - Oscar Antonio Moralí
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July 12 at 9:41 am - Link
"Strong, interesting women are taking over the blogging world. They have the passion, they have the skills, and they are here to stay." - Oscar Antonio Moralí
I was disappointed there was no mention of Ann Handley (MarketingProfs) and... Corvida (shegeeks)! - Amadou M. Sall
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Social Media Club: Chris Heuer posted a message
June 7 at 8:10 am - Link
I think PR is about talking to and Social Media is about talking with. At least at the moment. Hopefully the two will be able to blend. - Janet Fouts
PR is "Professional Relationships." Social Media is just "relationships." I know when a PR person writes something (or calls or emails) that he/she wants me to pass along that message. When someone writes something here they don't care. That's a huge difference. - Robert Scoble
PR is about sending a message. SM is about sending a message, getting a response and creating a conversation - Britney Mason
I agree with all all the comments here, and will also say that when I've contacted people for a PR purpose, I've still thought about it as a conversation with a human being, not so much as a "pitch." That's why the concept of "social media" and social networking came easily to me. I had always worked that way. - Cathryn Hrudicka
I agree with both Britney and Cathryn. I think there has a been a long-standing division between the "practitioners" and "professionals" in the PR industry. Now that the primary media distribution medium has merged with the primary communication channel (it's all happening online), the differenence between the two groups has simply become more pronounced. PR and social media are both about telling stories. The only difference is in the editing. A common criticism of PR is that there is too much editing, or spin. A common criticism of social media? Not enough editing. - Steve Lynch
aren't we just splitting hairs at this point? For PR, social media should be viewed as a channel, much like dailies, broadcast and radio are. Then within the channel each community approached with unique tactics. You wouldn't approach FORTUNE the same as CNBC or Forbes the same as C|Net. One emerging trend coming from GenY and its impact in the workforce is the lines between professional and private lives are blurring. This is just happening in PR. This isn't Bernays PR world. - matt ceniceros
Social Media by definition is about using technology to communicate and interact in new ways and share elements like text, photos, videos. It's not a new form of comm, rather new forms of delivery, and new tools to do so. PR and media are well suited for social media from a "professional" standpoint because the rely on delivering the elements of a story. I agree with Matt, it's more of a channel at this point. Bloggers are not necessarily journalists, but they are influential in their space (ie.Scoble) - Jason Kintzler
Social media = our shared community view of the world. Traditional media = someone is selling something. - Dion Hinchcliffe via twhirl
PR is a purposeful effort to gain attention to a specific company, product, or service. Social Media is a nebulous term generically applied to blogging, social networking, online communities, and anywhere else where an individual can have a voice. There isn't any form of appropriate comparison, because they are completely different things. - Jeremy Toeman
I would say that social media is a tool that can be used as a conduit for PR, one is the channel, the other is the message. - Jackie Peters
I agree with Jackie PR is about getting the message out, typically on a professional level as Scoble indicates, while social media has created yet another distribution outlet for PR as well as many other communications. The trick for PR professionals is to recognize that social media is a two way street and is not merely an outward push of information. They should also use it to respond to readers and to keep an eye out for public opinion regarding their organization/product/service, etc. - Heidi Cool
I agree with Jason, social media is just merely the channel, and each channel is a tactic. The overall strategy should be influence marketing, utilizing each of these channels to achieve your business objectives whatever they may be. PR really has no place in social media except as an additional source of information. People only trust companies to get the facts about their products which creates awareness. Everything else is almost always drawn from research and conversations with objective third parties. - Devlin Dunsmore
A bland video on YouTube is useless. Same goes for a pure PR based corp blog. If companies are going to use social media for anything of value it has to be influence marketing. Engaging your customers at different points in the funnel in different parts of the web is the only way to establish new and strengthen existing customer relationships. - Devlin Dunsmore
In this conversation thread the assumption is that the dynamics of social conversations and messaging will remain the same. The question we need to ask is "Would we there be market for professional PR in 10 years from now given the rise of social media?" I think the hurricane of two way communication revolution with instant feedback is building up and what we have seen so far is only tip of the ice-berg. There is a good chance that top-down one way megaphone style messaging may be history in a decade. - Vic Podcaster
PR is the tool used to establishing and maintaining your brand / image / culture; whereas, Social Media is all about engaging your audience and fostering deeper community ties that relate to your brand management. So PR is the upper layer (formal) and the SM layer is more person and intimate layer (informal). - Susan Beebe
PR evolved to influence the media controllers, just as advertising evolved to piggback on the media flow. Both practics evolved to influence consumers indirectly, because direct consumer interaction wasn't practical. Social media now allows direct engagement, and has evolved in an environment where consumers reject manipulative influence. This is a problem for PR and adverstising, but not terminal. There will always be a need for businesses to create and advocate their own message. But "influencing the influencers" is not going to cut it. "Blogger Relations" is not going to cut it. PR and advertising need to explore ~direct~ consumer engagement for what it really is--not just a "channel". Those who have always been about human relationships get it. Those who have been about manipulative influence won't. - Chris Kenton
@Chris - BINGO!! real authentic relationships are must...no fake manipulative crap. - Susan Beebe
pr is manipulation, one way, ..... social media is exposition (as in exposure), two way (or more) ... - gregory lent
I think in the context of corprate outreach, social media is a public relations conduit. Yes, there are different rules, but social media is a communications mechanism, not some separate animal altogether. Two cents. - Jason Falls
pR, if you take it back far enough, is the delivery f information to the public, and social media is an interactive too used to deliver it, just like TV or a newspaper, only two way. Long way of saying I agree with Jason. And manipulation came fairly late to PR. - Francine Hardaway via twhirl
According to conventional wisdom, PR "is working" when a key message is repeated by "an expert" in an "editorial" context. With social media, it's about the "evolution" of a message/idea, once the group "engages" with it. This distinction presents the greatest challenge for PR firms – they're good at "placing" key messages with influencers; not starting/continuing conversations with communities. - David Zeitman
PR means you are an advocate for an institution. that's just one point of view people bring to social media. - Phil Wolff via Alert Thingy
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July 11 at 12:59 pm - via Reshare - Link
Maybe not extinction, but if newspaper and other media changes, why wouldn't this? - Jason Kintzler
Uh, yeah. - David Zeitman
I don't use PR NewsWire anymore. - Francine Hardaway
Here's a follow up to this conversation you may relate to: http://mediapitch.ning.com/pro... - Jason Kintzler
PR Web has so much garbage on it...Nothing REALLY vetted and PR Newswire using Dubious SEO group for premium distribution in states. - lonnie b hodge
I'm all for Social Media Press Releases (see: Brian Solis, Todd Defren, Chris Heur, "The Terrific Trio") distributed through bogs, but... watch out for Gina Trapani and Chris Anderson ;-) - Amadou M. Sall
The press release won't ever just go away. There's sec requirements etc., but these companies need to change the way they see distribution. - matt ceniceros
With companies using social media releases and online newsrooms, I think a more FriendFeed-like distribution method could take their place. Free, and filtered. - Jason Kintzler
press releases are dead -- except for IR purposes / regulatory hoops. - Christian Anderson
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July 12 at 1:45 am - Link
"Some of my tips are ways to use social media to your advantage and some are pitfalls to watch out for. Take 'em or leave 'em, they are reality so apply as you see fit." - Oscar Antonio Moralí
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July 13 at 6:51 pm - Link
We're almost in the same boat. I signed up but am not very active. I'm much more of a Plurker! - Amadou M. Sall
Ewwww. Plurk. I'm gonna have to hide my own thread now. Plurko. (It's a game I play where every time I see a comment about Plurk on Friendfeed, I say "Plurko" and hide it). - Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Plurk FTW...conversations about non-techy things are much better on Plurk (vs twitter that is)...wait, did I mention twitter AND conversation in the same thought pattern? lolwtf is wrong with me? - acedanger via fftogo
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Racist comments during Wayne Sutton/Corvida Interview
July 9 at 8:47 pm - Link
Click through this to see more of the spewage. It was atrocious. - Louis Gray
Don't be afraid to "Like" this, I won't be offended. - Shey
lol - Cee Bee
like = 'was shocked by' - J. Phil
this is just sad. Where do people pick up these ideas anyway? - Rahul Das
i was in the room , some really nasty stuff went on , should be some sort of report to Y 'Live made - fotographic
I think that it's great that the racist asshats and pot stirrers provoke good conversation among the majority of the rational people that need to discuss these sensitive and painful issues in a meaningful manner. - Mark Forman
It's difficult to even read this stuff. Don't have anything substantial to add...Just wanted to join the chorus of the sane condemning this kind of disgraceful behavior. - Lon Harris via twhirl
Unbelievable. What year is this? - jonn
I want to start a non profit that takes donations and gives the money to hitmen to kill people associated with racist organizations, child molesters, etc. That would be pretty sweet. - The Kid
I had racist slings thrown at me my whole life - from chink, chigger, mutt, gook, etc al. It's sad that people act like that but most of the time it stems from fear - ie: fear of the unknown (because of our still segregated society). - George Smith
And there is nothing that will change these guys' minds. They live their little anonymous lives, fearful of anything that doesn't fit into their little world, creating things to hate so they don't have to look at themselves too much. Ugh. - Hutch Carpenter
Just showing support. We need more buttons than 'like.' - sergiooo
Shey: Thanks for saying that, else I would have been v reluctant to 'like' something I vehemently disagree with - Sally Church
Violence is not helpful, escalating the inflamatory language isn't helpful, it's how ignorant things get said. I agree with Mark F that rational discussion is important but also note that the people who we'd like to behave differently are not rational and aren't interested in discussion. That's why a lot of people dismiss the wackos and try to be good examples. The best way to respond to ignorance(i feel) in the long term is to not prove the stereotypes right. - sergiooo
I got nothing. .... nothing. *disgusted* - Yolanda
A small, heartening counternote: @owillis honors an American hero who gave up his job rather than honor the racist Jesse Helms. http://snurl.com/2w805 - Michael Markman
This is...so ugly. Cowardly losers- shame on them. - Abby Martin
Like Youtube Yahoo! Tends to attract the lowest common denominator. It's just awful that they were ambushed like that. - Steve Spalding
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Shey commented on a blog post on Disqus
July 11 at 6:56 pm - Link
"Duncan, I appreciate your viewpoint. In a perfect world, yes, we would and should all be colourblind. And believe me, I'm happy to hear folks say that they are. I agree that the distinction between the two occurrences: Feldman and the Sutton/Corvida interview. Feldman was acting a fool to get attention at the expense of race representation to gain publicity. Granted, that one incident alone does not make him a racist, just incredibly foolish. The Sutton/Corvida incident was outright racism - the hate speech uttered was unconscionable. But as much as they are separate incidents, the big FAIL that's been happening the community is treating them as isolated incidents instead of acknowledging that this is a common type of behaviour that is NOT acceptable towards ANY race. And that's very unfortunate. Don't get me wrong, free speech is free speech. But it should never be ok to back that kind of behaviour. If we fail to recognize the areas in which we fall short as a society and as a..." - Shey
Aren't we quite the advocate these days :). Really good response shey - Corvida
Thanks Corvida -- you don't even know the half of it :) I'm pretty passionate about certain topics, and this is one of them. - Shey
Based on Duncan's description of Loren (who I don't know) as not beng a racist, I wonder if perhaps people are pillorying Loren based on the fact that ignorant racists might be amused by his satire. Does he get judged on his intent or on the reaction to his video. - David Thomas
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Shey commented on a blog post on Disqus
July 11 at 7:58 pm - Link
"Matthew you said it -- that's exactly how it felt to me, like a bad script." - Shey
Shey - He never did give me an answer. I am beginning to see the light. :) - Mathew A. Koeneker
Man, What a jackass. Where's my attention whore tag? - Sean-Michael Robinson
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Cyndy posted an entry on Profy.Com
July 9 at 10:30 pm - Link
Thanks for adding to the conversation, Cyndy. (Cyndy was there with us and DM'd me on Twitter immediately, saying "that was just about one of the ugliest things I have ever seen".) - Louis Gray
Cyndy, sadly there is not another side to "social media", if that were the case it would only be a problem for a limited subset of the world's population. There is another side to people -- a side we understandably don't want to spend much time looking at. - Robert Seidman
Cyndy thanks for speaking up. Agree we individually have responsibility to speak up. Male, straight, white people should have a say however...and that say should be that racism in any form is not cool and should not be tolerated. - Elliott Ng
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