Waseem Sadiq, CTO (left) and Khuram Hussain are showing me how you can send emails and messages to Twitter, Facebook, and others. It is in private beta now, will launch later this year. http://www.inbox2.com Does all sorts of useful stuff like forwarding, copying, etc. "It is really hard to build a good email client," says Sadiq. They nailed it, must try it.
- Robert Scoble
Very cool. I can imagine this being something to tie me over until Google Wave is released. I presume the transition to Google Wave from Inbox2 will be a ease?
- Vinko
Robert, thx for the plug! Everybody that wants an invite just leave your email address on the website (www.inbox2.com), will take a few weeks before you get one tho, due to the infrastructure we're setting up to serve u all :-)
- Waseem Sadiq
'a few weeks'!! we'll have all forgotten about it by then! -- you've got our interest now (it's about 20 people, how much infrastructure would be required?)
- Paul
Hehe that is true, but if I let you guys in now I might end up spoiling the zen like email experience once its good enough. I'll tell you what, if you are willing to try out the product and tell us how we can improve it, or blog about it, Í will get you an invite (waseem at inbox2 dot com)
- Waseem Sadiq
Seems like a great service BUT I don't want to change my e-mail address to anything because then the company /could/ change my password and hi-jack my account.
- Aaron Myers
@Aaron: You're right about this, though.
- LouCypher
I'm really enjoying this, takes about 3 clicks away from managing my followers
- anna sauce
To those who afraid to change email address - we understand you and wish we had a workaround for this. Meanwhile, if you have a Gmail account you can setup a filter to forward the Twitter notifications to us. Please note that this only works with Gmail.
- arik
what do you like better about feedly then friendfeed or others? just curious. I'm trying to cut back, not add more tools, great s they might be. i'm exploding!
- washwords
Can I like this 3x. Thanks for a GREAT recommendation, Bwana. My new fave Firefox extension.
- Leo Laporte
Wow, even the screensaver function is cool...I might be leaning to feedly and away from greader...
- Anthony Farrior
Revisited based on a few 'endorsements' here on FF. Wow. Easy, fast, just cool.
- Charlie Anzman
What are the implications of "no thanks"? Same as "Mark as read"?
- Andrew Smith
@cecily if you get a chance, go to the feedly dashboard (through dashboard link at the top right of the screen) and click on the star next to the sources you like the most and see if the what's new page looks any better. The other option is to click on the "cover" icon on the top left on the nav bar and see if that view is more diggestable. If you have specific ideas on how to make the interface more appealing let us know!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
@andrew no thanks = mark the article as read + let the feedly recommendation engine know that you did not like this recommendation. This metadata is then used with other criteria to unfluence future recommendations.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I installed and uninstalled all in 1 minute.
- Aaron Myers
Erhan, thanks :) I need to learn how to utilize it properly before I screencast it...it's coming soon though, I love this thing
- Bwana ☠
Looks promising, but I'm always suspicious of extensions that don't come from Mozilla addons site...
- João Almeida
What do you guys say to the folks who say Feedly crapped all over their Google Reader (adding feeds to it)?
- David Risley
It's in this thread David: http://friendfeed.com/e... We asked for a bigger warning since the one there is easily missed, the Feedly guys chime in as to why they did it that way. It doesn't "crap" all over your feed, it does create new folders, but they are easily removed. They are working on an undo procedure as well.
- Bwana ☠
I'm really liking Feedly as well. We'll see how it goes
- Shey
iGoogle has been my home page for well over a year and what I have found is that via widgets its generally there for me to either click on gmail or to go into google reader - the other widgets are generally worth an odd glance but thats about it - I've put feedly as my home page and will see how this works out - but first impressions is a clean easy to use interface even if you have a few hundred feeds to juggle..
- Jican
Feedly is awesome: I had a few hiccups after installation, but I re-installed, and it has been a real help in 2 ways: 1) motivated me to clean up my feeds and sort them into a major category 2)motivates me daily to actually skim through and read the content that is closest to my current interests. well done!
- Terri MacMillan
Not dissing Feedly, but didn't experience anything that made me want to give up Google Reader when I tried Feedly a few months ago. Anyone care to explain why I should try again?
- Chris Stevenson
I don't work for them, so I don't see a reason to convince you. Some people like it, some don't.
- Fleagle
Hi Chris: feedly tries to provide a magazine like summary of your google reader. Some users only care about productivity and find the magazine like interface a step backward. Some users like it and use it in concert with their google reader. Some people prefer using the magazine like interface only.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
If you're in the Atlanta area or in California and want to try out this new machine, let me know. I can tell you some places that have them!
- Aaron Myers
This is a very sad statistic, but if they only knew the percentage of people that make more money later in life by finishing school and getting a college education, maybe they wouldn't?
- Aaron Myers
Great service, I use it all the time. Do you use it as your main number or do you just use it for select people?
- Aaron Myers
I use it for screening primarily so most contacts have my real #, but I'll transfer my real # to Voice when that is avail
- Cameron Johnson
Yeah, I use it to screen people as well. I use it on all kinds of forms because I hate telemarketers. I always fear that Google would end the Google Voice platform and I would have to move my number back to my phone carrier and/or give everyone a new number.
- Aaron Myers
I can't tell you how I got this photo and I can't tell you why I am dumping my Mac when this comes out but this is the first Dell that has me slobbering in a very long time.
- Robert Scoble
Didn't you say something similar about the Nokia N97 a few months ago?
- Beau Giles
You've got to tell me more than that for me to believe why you might throw your Mac away??
- Aaron Myers
Really - with the build quality they are renown for!!
- Ian Lewis
If it runs windows 7 then at least there is some reason for this madness. Anything else and you've completely lost your mind!
- Devlin Dunsmore
Amit: I can't explain why, sorry, but this will get a lot of attention and Apple will have to react to it. Why do you think Apple has been attacking Windows 7?
- Robert Scoble
Yes, it looks sleek, but it's still a Dell.
- Bob Young
From the keyboard, it looks like a 15.4" or 17" widescreen that's super thin. (keyboard is chiklet-style)
- Eugene Hsu
You can't throw out your mac! You'll eventually be crawling back.
- Matt Ruiz
Yes, I got excited by the Palm Pre but I don't think I said the Pre would get me to throw away my iPhone. Of course we don't know what Apple will do but this will make Apple guys at least raise their eyebrows.
- Robert Scoble
Throwing away your Mac is a bad idea.
- Louis Gray
May I suggest to sell The Original Scoble MacBook Pro on ebay and hand the money in for charity?
- Ralf Rottmann
NokiaN97 does widescreen videos with new Qik, by the way. iPhone doesn't.
- Robert Scoble
Don't throw your Mac away!! Keep it as 'backup', you might need it ... ;) ;)
- Ronald
Asgod: believe me Engadget will be all over this.
- Robert Scoble
This was rolled out to selected laptop users 4-5 months ago, wasn't it? Lots of drooling, if I recall. But you should keep your Mac as a backup. And so far as "I can't tell you how I got this photo ..." is concerned, what's with the name tag on the fellow doing the Vana White?
- Bob Young
Louis: I will give away my Mac instead of throwing it away.
- Robert Scoble
Mona you have to fight Allen and I for it first
- Jesse Stay
I'm thinking full solid state, very fast
- Jesse Stay
Nooo... I wanted a Dell 15' with nice reso but no HD. Not avaliable in Europe. I had to buy a MacBook Pro. Received today. Nice but I loved my Latitude.
- Jérôme
BTW, nice tattoo's Robert! When did you get those?
- Dean Kakridas
And with that very light and low on heat
- Jesse Stay
so what's the specs on it ? intel T9900, DDR3?
- Khaled A
touch screen? that doesn't seem mac-trash-worthy. flips around like a tablet, with touch screen? nah. super battery with built in wimax or 4G connectivity? maybe.
- Chip Ramsey
Dean, per the nametag that's @rockmanusa, Robert's producer/photographer
- Jesse Stay
I'm intrigued by the google map you have attached with it ... battery park city?! Sounds quite interesting indeed, but I won't be interested, unless it can polish my shoes, feed the cats, and wash itself every 3 hours :) Ohh I wouldn't mind if it has a proper multi-touch trackpad.
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Asgod: I broke all sorts of rules to get this photo. Photography is expressly not allowed where I am. It is geek heaven though.
- Robert Scoble
robert - you might want to crop out the person's name who is in the photo :)
- Allen Stern
Robert: So how did we get a photograph then?! (good ol' don't give a crap about the rulez eh? :) ) A lot of hype, it better be seriously good :)\
- Shivanand Velmurugan
it was leaked a few days earlier on another site though :>
- Khaled A
Who's the bigger sucker here ... Scoble ... or those sucked in by this post
- Don Strickland
are you serious? c'mon, it's a PC! The main component of any computer is not the hardware, it's SOFTWARE.
- Konstantin
Don: it does a few things your Mac doesn't.
- Robert Scoble
Konstantin: really? Why don't you use a Mac Classic then and why do all Mac fans slobbering when new hardware comes out? Finally you should try Windows 7 on your Mac. You might be surprised. I am running Windows 7 on my Mac.
- Robert Scoble
Francine: I am buying Crunchpads for a different reason.
- Robert Scoble
Can I just point out did a search for "scoble 'Palm Pre' 'throw away'" to see what you said back at CES... and Google already has the comments on this thread indexed?
- Ken Sheppardson
Jeff: I think this Dell will help Microsoft poke Apple in the eye again.
- Robert Scoble
I saw the specs, and it just doesn't *seem* that spectacular. Maybe it makes waffles and prints money...
- Carlton Prest
Nice, thanks for the heads up Robert. Don't mind the fanboy's calling you a heretic. ;)
- Arawak
Has me curious. I'm not going to be so bold as to claim in an Apple "fanboish" way that nothing can possibly beat Apple.
- Angus Burton
19 hours of battery is impressive if true
- Brian Hill
"I can't tell you how I got this photo" -- Perhaps by standing next to Rocky as he held one on the NYSE floor yesterday? :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
100+ comments later... mission completed. You won't throw or give away your Mac for a Dell w/ Win 7
- Jonathan Brown
You'll hurt your shoulder carrying that thing around, but man, what a great screen!!
- RobinDotNet
Looks like picture was taken at the New York Stock Exchange. Maybe it's a multi-touch screen?
- Steve de Mena
Steve: all I can say is it has stuff Apple doesn't yet do.
- Robert Scoble
Robin: I have a bag with wheels for my Mac so my shoulder is OK. The photo was taken tonight.
- Robert Scoble
Microsoft Bing: We did not find any results for "tell you why I am dumping my Mac when this comes out but this is the first Dell" ~ giggle
- Don Strickland
I'm glad you have a wheelie bag, now you can buy it with impunity and wheel it through airports all over the world, feeling happy about your awesome laptop. :-) (How much does it weigh?)
- RobinDotNet
@Robert "Steve: all I can say is it has stuff Apple doesn't yet do...." TBH, there has been a lot of things the Macbook line hasn't been up to par feature wise for a long time. This isn't nothing new. My 1yr old XPS has eSATA, "F/W", "ExpressCard", 10in1 MMC, Biometrics, HDMI, Blu Ray, 4USB and integrated 3G all of which would be 'show stoppers' if Apple announced them. So its all relative.
- Arawak
"has stuff Apple doesn't yet do" ... hmmm ... when placed on a Microsoft Surface it transforms into a puck for Microsoft Surface Hockey, played by waving your hands at the built-in Natal controllers.
- Don Strickland
Will it run Pro Tools. It seems as if I need to use it for digital editing of raw audio.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Mathew: I would imagine it would, but I don't have it to try that, so will have to wait to tell you definitively.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks, Robert. Being out of the music & video biz since '97 has me playing catch up. The KDHX studios where I will be working are a mac house.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Since it looks like a shell.. I will assume its the touchscreen with MS Surface on Windows 7 :)
- Tim Hoeck
looks like old black macbook to me! nothing new at least not in image! whats so special?
- matjeka
To back Robert up, I got to try this bad boy right after him. And I can agree, this will make me switch too (after 25 solid years of Mac OS) Holy crap, Dell must have a secret time machine in the basement if 1/2 of these "special" features are true. WOW WOW WOW, and price...WOW!!!
- sean andersen
Robert, Honestly I am not really impressed by the picture, as some mentioned before it most likely is not Mac OS X, is it? And what about battery life, does it match the MBP 17 inch battery life time?
- Peter Simoons
If this feels better to use than a mac, then it will do well. A shopping list of new features won't matter if it doesn't do the core things that make people love Macs.
- Sam
from twhirl
I don't believe you :) Let's revisit this thread when it comes out and see if you follow through
- Bwana ☠
So this is going to bring beleaguered Dell out of the doldrums? Apple did that, but I'll not hold my breath because of Dell's basic build-em-cheap philosophy.
- Rick Cogley
there's claims it is sporting a Mobile Intel GMA 4500MHD, Series 4 for video.. if so, that's one giant missed opportunity!
- alphaxion
touch screen would be great, there is a big need in netbooks because of the improvement of usable input area
- Mike Chelen
ok, I'm also intrigued. I can't figure out what is so special about this new notebook.
- timepilot
Robert: Can have your Mac when you're done with it? :)
- John Fox
Hmmm ... I am thinking Dell beat Crunchpad to market with a touchscreen running Win7... If so, Yay for Dell, way to go!!! I will definitely want a Z if so!! *Looks around for @RichardatDELL* :)
- Susan Beebe
The way things are going my mom will never get her new computer. I keep telling her something better is just around the corner.
- ChiliMac
I'm assuming it's windows 7 multi touch and gestural support. The surface code that's now part of windows 7...
- mikepk
mikepk: there are more features than that that Apple doesn't yet have. Gotta wait, though, I promised not to leak.
- Robert Scoble
Dont throw it away! Im sure there are plenty of people that would love to have your old mac!
- James Hague
If it doesn't run OS X it's pointless.
- Peter Kruit
Peter: it runs it, but you can't buy OSX legally for use on non Apple computers. I totally disagree with your thesis, though. I'm running Windows 7 right now on my Mac and it works VERY NICELY.
- Robert Scoble
I'm sure Windows 7 is working nicely, but Windows just doesn't compare to OS X. Mind you, I've only been using OS X for a year now. Before that I was a Windows/DOS user.
- Peter Kruit
Peter: again, I totally disagree. It's clear you haven't tried Windows 7 out on your Mac yet. There are many things in it that are nicer than Apple has. Especially the toolbar and especially Google Chrome.
- Robert Scoble
I have tried Windows 7. It's the same registry and DLL hell that it's always been.
- Peter Kruit
Agree with Scoble... Win7 has many things nicer than OSX.
- Adnan
Peter: I haven't had a problem with DLL hell and the registry for years. I guess you still trying to run VB 2.0 apps? ;-)
- Robert Scoble
1. Never put anything into the registery unless it will affect another part of the system. 2. DLL hell ended in Win98. WinXP/2000 added a way to solve all DLL problems with no rebooting, but the coders have been lazy/ignorant (see #1).
- xero
Yes, case in point- and that's a deal breaker for just about any Mac user.
- Dean Kakridas
from email
I switched to Macs 3 years ago but I have to say Windows 7 will make me rethink that decision. It is much more than a "Vista Service Pack".
- Steve de Mena
My husband has a Dell laptop and it's really nice, so I am definitely gonna check the Z out...
- Susan Beebe
Peter: It is possible to install MAC OSX on your Dell thanks to the OSx86 Project: http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki... Although it may not be entirely legal this is still going to happen and Apple should roll with it and embrace the hacker culture. If this Dell can run Boot Camp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...), and give users the option of running either Mac or Vista that would be awesome!
- Garin Kilpatrick
Garin: that's possibly the ultimate manifestation of "lipstick on a pig"!
- Dean Kakridas
from email
Dean: No way, Sarah Palin is the ultimate lipstick pig and Mac OSX on a Dell is cool!
- Garin Kilpatrick
Garin: that she is and might be the ultimate candidate for a Dell actually.
- Dean Kakridas
from email
Is there some new synchronization feature using Microsoft's Mesh technology or something? Win7 is suppose to have some Mesh tech built-in.
- Jeff Weber
Dean: Haha! Jeff: Mesh is probably windows only syncing, but I have not investigated. I use http://www.getdropbox.com/ for syncing my files between my PC and Mac, and it works great!
- Garin Kilpatrick
interesting! Windows 7 indeed rocks... and yes - i own macs and pcs
- andy brudtkuhl
Jason: it doesn't have Vista. Thanks for playing.
- Robert Scoble
any idea if this is a joint effort with the alienware talent they acquired?
- Trey Philips
Jason: let's talk after you see it. You might still be a Mac fan but you will at least pause after you see the secret stuff this does.
- Robert Scoble
Jason: You are right on. And furthermore, many have not even really "tried". Nothing out there that claims to even compete with Apple products have put close to the level of time, resource, and dollar investment in design and software that Apple has. Anyone who has been in the tech industry for the past 10 years now knows that there's Apple and then a bunch of pretenders and bad imitators.
- Dean Kakridas
from email
That's like saying I am throwing away my Mercedes for the new Chrysler. You still get Dell support and service which has forced me to find new vendors. Wish windows server products ran on os x server. Then we could go all mac hardware.
- Dan Douglass
from Nambu
I've never had a single problem with Dell support. Apple's on the other hand is useless. 10 working day repair time for a machine, compared to next business from Dell. Had to repair a failing disk ourselves because Apple wouldn't replace it, if tech tools said it was bad, 'tech tools isn't any good', and when disk utility said it was bad, 'tech tools is more accurate'. Wouldn't put anything important on Apple hardware or support.
- Russ
I'm assuming everyone who posted their link here would like to connect on Facebook? (I'm not a facebook fan, but was just wondering if FriendFeeders want to befriend on Facebook too).
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I just stuck with /waltruppar, but my Pug Marley is: http//facebook.com/FreelanceG33k I really wish pages didn't need 1000+ fans b4 being able to snag a name. Maybe they will wave this in the future after things calm down and allow pages in place prior to 31-May to get a name....
- JR
Walt: The 1000 user limit will be lifted on June 28, then we get another free-for-all
- Ken Sheppardson
boring but works: facebook.com/richardgoodwin . If I'd have known how easy it was to grab them I would have tried for something more original
- Richard Goodwin
from twhirl
I DON'T HAVE ONE!!!!!! "tamar" was unavailable but there's no page pointing to it! And um, we DID have someone check in at 12:01:01 AM! I am royally angry. btw, zee, gonna be really hard to get "zee" given the 5 char minimum - get to know someone working at FB and you may get lucky. (I've been trying to get tamar@gmail.com but the minimum character count is 6 and my Google contacts couldn't help..)
- Tamar Weinberg
mmm contacts :-) i hope you both get what you like
- Majento
Invite sent to Thomas, Steve, Tyler, and Anna. "An error occured, please contact support" when I tried to invite Mehdi and Brad. I don't know why.
- LouCypher
if everyone that received an invite gets their own invites, and would like to share, I'd love one, and will share mine with others here. shaun76 at gmail dot com
- shaun mclane
Huh. Weird. Could you try sending it to brijesh.mansi@gmail.com? Thanks.
- Mansi Bhatia
I don't mean for me to manually do it, I'd like to see a feature where you post a FriendFeed link in TweetDeck or DestroyTwitter and it will automatically convert the link to ff.im
- Aaron Myers
TweetDeck and DestroyTwitter apps not under FF's control, are they?
- ianf ⌘
No, but like with Flickr and Digg, links can be shortened using the API and/or public tools. Didn't know of FriendFeed made that available.
- Aaron Myers
FF makes ff.im (="FF I am" ;-)) shorturls available through Share dialog, but not as far as I can see, through its API. Nor is there a way to submit granular-anchor-FF url to it and receive a shortened one in return (i.e. I could not refer to your comment above the ff.im way, while I CAN refer to it with this laboriously-extracted tinyurl <http://tinyurl.com/qlcwch>). So, are you just assuming FF API can be used for that, or do you KNOW IT for sure?
- ianf ⌘
It's very laborious, involves looking under the hood for a specific comment, extracting its id-string, tacking it manually onto the permalink, and submitting to tinyurl. Could have been achieved much easier if FFeeders thought of it, and subscribers cared about it/ kept requesting it. Here's my once-suggestion: <http://ff.im/2uBFP> and also read this <http://friendfeed.com/search...>
- ianf ⌘
I see I though that was a good idea. ;-) I still think it is. The self-referencing search in fun. I almost commented on this while I was commenting on it. But yes, the hashanchors on comments would be AWESOME.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I also have managed to self-reference the very comment the link appeared in, but it involves two-step saving and editing of it. Better FF would preindex "last+1 comment," so it could be extracted from page's source before comment was posted (this would create some confusion if two or more people commented the same thread at once, but I'd still be willing to live with the...
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- ianf ⌘
iPrint is giving away 10,000 sets of 25 Google profile business cards totally free. Have a little fun and show off your profile. https://www.google.com/account...
Worked for me. Kinda gimmicky, but we'll see.
- Mr. Gunn
Ughh.. I did it but now I have a freakin add on my profile. I knew there had to be a catch. Not cool. Or was the add there already? I notice the add is only there when I'm logged in.
- Bill Rawlinson
Mine arrived today!!! Nice flat pack, three cards wide. The card stock and printing are better than I expected, though naturally there's an upsell to get 250 more for $19.95. :-)
- Kevin Fox
I like the app but feel it lacks polish and feels a bit clunky in areas. I also think the the interface elements are not as economic as TweetDeck and with the requirement of no less than three columns open at a time, efficiency is paramount. I check Facebook only every few hours so the feature set for FB do not interests me and I actually prefer the UI in the FB feed to 3rd party apps. It's close but my vote is still in the TweetDeck corner.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
But why oh why to these app have to be built on Adobe Air? Still looking for the killer native OS X app.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
I like DestroyTwitter alot better than I ever liked Seesmic or Tweetdeck.
- Aaron Myers
Ride the wave. I like that. Good way of putting it.
- vimoh
if you use the pause button and filters, i don't see the problem. really, why slow down information? it just takes some getting used to, but give em time...
- MG Siegler
The pause icon is too small... I want a keyboard shortcut (space bar). And now! :)
- Jérôme
It looks like it's a massive improvement. I always found the old interface very confusing.
- Peter Urban
Aesthetics matter and this beta is literally rough around the edges.
- Andrew Smith
I'll try building up groups later.. maybe that makes "riding the wave" more beginner friendly :)
- Daniel van Moll
My initial reaction to the new real-time stream, besides it being a little too fast, is that it has very little value as a conversational tool. It's a little chaotic. I do like that we can toggle between standard and real-time.
- Phil Essing
@Phil: Consider the main page stream as a flow of information.. All discussions you jumped into are listed within "my discussions" anyway.
- Daniel van Moll
It seems to be the trend these days. Whenever some site comes out with new features people have to complain first, test later.
- Heidi Cool
@Daniel: Definitely. The stream is basically a real-time Twitter, with the added element of being able to see what your followers' friends are saying.
- Phil Essing
@Paul Buchheit: Please build a new Chromium derivative browser around FriendFeed. Also pls add SocialMedian-style "replize". Thanks!
- Daniel J. Pritchett
connecting to friendfeed for the first time from iPhone any plans for ff to release their own app? any recs for apps avail now?
- roger byrne
@roger byrne: FF has an iPhone optimized version at http://friendfeed.com/iphone/ Navigate to the page with your iPhone and create a springboard icon (bookmark).
- Phil Essing
The UI is completely different, but I love the live feed, it's neat.
- Aaron Myers
Looks like they really took your "FriendFeed is too complex for most" post to heart.. question is, will it be too late to matter (I doubt they're getting mentions off of CNCBC, CNN, etc. anytime soon)? BTW I wrote a riff on your post back then: http://businessmindhacks.com/post...
- Alex Schleber
BTW, do you think they will introduce comment threading? I could really see that helping (wish Twitter had a feature to expand convos on the fly in the Web interface the way that Search.twitter.com already allows)
- Alex Schleber
@Phil Essing Thanks for the reply will check it out had a go using MotherFeed on the iphone but wasnt impressed! Cheers!
- roger byrne
Thousands of people are constantly posting that they either have invites or want invites for Chi.mp . It is taking up the entire group page! For the sake of others, please use this thread to ask for, or advertise your invites. Thank-you! :)
Please invite me to taobao5168@gmail.com
- xinranus
please send me BETA code for chi.mp, my email:smallyouth@foxmail.com, thanks
- smallyouth
please send me BETA code for chi.mp, my email:lorin.zhang@live.com, thanks
- lorin
cool glade I found this thread other than posting a new topic and annoying people lol, if you got a spare id like to check it out, send me one at defconoii at gmail dot com
- Kyle Weller
I think its better if people who notice the chi.mp invite requests/offers, just post this tiny url link in a comment, will hopefully lead them all to this one! http://tinyurl.com/FFchimp
- md.
I vote the new Gmail as one of the best, tightest mobile apps. So well done. I love iPhone but its hard to beat how shrewd Blackberry apps can be with your data usage.
- Aaron deMello
-nuff said....or not said. I don't want any more snowballs thrown at me...PLEASE!
- Jennifer Windrum
and you people complain about a little chapstick and lips every now and again. sheesh. I'd much rather see chapstick and lips any day of the week over getting a "crush jason alexmi" request or getting *two* sammy is sexy requests in the same day!
- Thomas Hawk
no doubt. i'm always blocking apps. i don't want play around with hatchlings or pieces of flair or get involved in any dang food fights.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
That right there is the biggest reason I can't stand Facebook and I would dump it in a heartbeat if it didn't mean that all of my family and distant friends would instantly have a shitfit.
- Hookuh Tinypants
Also - Facebook = "Real life Friends". If you only friend people you're actually friends with it's actually a terrific application for keeping in touch. If you try to treat it like a Friendfeed/Twitter/MySpace then you wind up with a load of crap and its utility takes a nose dive.
- Eric P
thankfully i've avoided this kind of garbage
- chrisofspades
I didn't add them. They are invitations.
- Thomas Hawk
Totally agree with you. couldn't have said it better.
- Karoli
@Haggis: Agreed. And I too block pretty much every app invite I get. The irritating part is when someone gets all uppity with me because I didn't return their snowball or superpoke them back. I'm like...srsly? You send me that ridiculous crap and then have the nerve to get mad at ME for not participating?
- Hookuh Tinypants
@Amanda: I tell/have told all my friends that they can send those requests, but that I categorically deny all of them. It's surprising how that already decreases the number of requests.
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
I do get tired of all that crap. My bro sent me a video to watch on Farcebook a few days ago, but to see it I would have to download yet another silly wall. I don't need more than one, nor do I need to install multiple calendars so you can see when my birthday is. Go to my profile.
- Ian May
For every app invite i block, i seem to get twice as many the following day. Its better now their not all over people profiles pages when they do get added though.
- Simon Wicks
Thomas - I think you're really gettign confused between Facebook and these leeches trying to suck off the Facebook platform. Just ignore them and these requests would never appear. Or better yet - DEfriend anyone who would be so stupid as to include you on a list of requests. JUST DUMP THEM - and everything will be fine.
- Marc Canter
But seriously...you really should accept my Pirates vs. Ninjas request.
- Adam
Yep. I put a moratorium on adding apps and made that abundantly clear, but I still get all the cr@p.
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
this is just one example of the silliness and boring nature of facebook. Frankly it's just not engaging. There's so much wrong with it and this is just the start. FriendFeed is a far superior platform for probably 100 different reasons.
- Thomas Hawk
I have found that blocking invites from certain users and applications is very helpful.
- Adam
@Thomas I agree with you 100%. I think FB is near unusable.. You're right it's not engaging - it's more of a distraction and there's very little value proposition for me to connect with people. I get the same with email/IM/flickr.. FF is far superior in my estimation
- andy brudtkuhl
that's just crazy! insane! crazy?...insane?
- .LAG liked that
Holy crap and I cry when I see 3 of them on my bar.
- Anika
Just looked at this and confirmed that I have no interest in joining Facebook.
- TranceMist
I'm not a fan of the tons of virtual goods and apps either, but I've got tons of friends who would qualify as "normal people" and cannot imagine living without FB. It's a rich way for them to keep in touch with people. I like FF a bunch but I also recognize the bandwagon effect that exists with FB.
- Cecyl Hobbs
@Morton Fox: I do the same. Problem is that you have to opt out of each crappy app that anyone you know has managed to dig up. If you don't log in often and deal with these head-on, the simple act of opting out can be daunting.
- Keith McCammon
It's striking how many people hate Facebook who nevertheless for various reasons feel unable to abandon it -- not so much a virus as a fungus. It's depressing to think that due to network lock-in my daughter may be stuck on it for years to come.
- Tim Ostler
something will come along to replace it. it's the inevitability of things.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
I don't get why people who don't like apps don't block them all, or why people who do like them feel the need to send invites to everyone, let alone whine that you haven't accepted. Most apps I use have a button that shows your friends with the app, and I only send to those.
- Lix
@Keith IIRC there's a greasemonkey script that lets you block them all at once.
- Lix
Yep. Stuff like that's why I get the heebie jeebies about 5-10 mins after logging into Facebook.
- Susan A. Kitchens
Ahhhhhh, the voice of reason! I'm so glad I'm not alone.
- Rob Fahrni
yep, I just IGNORE these types of apps/notifications- I have SO many sent to me and I would literally need to quite my job to attend to them full-time. It's insane. I think 95% of them are a waste of time imho... there are always going to be those people who love to do the spamming but it doesn't mean you need to pay attention to them :) One part of FB that I also do not love.
- Deanna Belle Govoni
This is one of the big reasons why I try and limit friends to people I know in person, and a few others who I can trust to not act like invite-wielding idiots.
- Chris Charabaruk
Why would you blame facebook for you having idiot friends?
- Richard Lawler
Who ever said Facebook is cool? It's a rambling mess suitable only for people with lots of spare time and nothing else to do with it.
- Todd Brunner
from twhirl
shit like that is what makes me hate FB. they need an option saying "please auto ignore all invites from everyone". i used to have a greasemonkey script which did it, but the bloody things are getting smarter
- Terry O'Fee
Richard: Who said I have idiot friends? Intelligence has nothing to do with people trying to share their fave FB apps with everyone else, especially before Facebook put in limitations to keep apps from spamming their users' friends.
- Chris Charabaruk
Thing is, once burned, twice shy. So only people I can trust to not send me lots of invites get to be friended to me on Facebook.
- Chris Charabaruk
it's just some people. i know great people who forward every single email online. there's one person, ive given her an old yahoo email adress so i dont hurt her feelings :P
- Terry O'Fee
Smart people catch on to spamming apps quickly, they recognize when they've been spammed, instead of signing up and passing them along, or continuing to request you join (insert game of the week.) If your friends can't figure out what's annoying to you, how can you expect Facebook to?
- Richard Lawler
immediately block app requests as they come in! according to the picture there were not so many apps involved here, but blocking them from the beginning on spares you more invitations..
- Johannan Edelman
I thought my FaceBook was bad when requests piled up, but you definitely win! I don't feel quite so irritated about it, now ;o)
- Seth Greenblatt
Yeah, that's one thing I hate about FB, those cutesy apps. I almost never participate in that...
- Rick Cogley
Aman: Sad to see I'm not the only one who suffers so.
- Chris Charabaruk
WOAH! You know, I think it is funny, I removed ALL my apps the other day, AND told all my friends that I removed my apps, and they are STILL sending me app invites. If you keep up on it, it's fine. If you don't, it looks like this... /sigh
- Danielle Closs
Some apps are good but most are just spam. Good apps are hard to find but there are a few nice ones out there, I like the ff app and the twitter app. I also use the slayers app and the compare people app. I'm a little shallow.
- Wesley Robin Guerrero
I hate the updates that I don't need. A large number of apps are useless.
- Palak Mathur
if your notification board looks like this, you just seem to agree to all those useless "send xyz a flower/pet/other crap"-applications. ignore those and you'll have your personal internet-operating system based on your friends and your life
- natadd
from twhirl
Mine looks almost as bad as that and I only have 8 friends (real life friends & family)
- April
Thanks for the pic Thomas, you've reaffirmed my decision to ignore all the app requests I get from friends with too much time on their hands.
- pitlord
from twhirl
I like FF for commenting on stories and seeing a discussion. I like FB for smaller discussions. FF bigest minus for me is the lack of a notification if someone specifically responds to me.
- ChiliMac
That's a big list... I'm getting tired of hitting the ignore as well.
- Gary Gifford Jr
I'd be a rich man if if I got a penny for everytime I click ignore. I'm just not making that much use out Facebook nowadays! That's why I decided to give FriendFeed a test trial.
- Vincent Nguyen
This is why they made the block function, I've blocked over 500 applications and I don't get many requests anymore. I promise, it works.
- Aaron Myers
It looks like facebook just threw up on your screen, IGNORE ALL!! And back away slooowly...
- Peter To
I don't get it. I have 600+ friends on FB (not crazy huge, but not an insubstantial number). About once a week, I do a combo of ignore-app's and ignore-all-apps from a few friends, and voila! In about 1-2 minutes, I'm all set. 1-2 minutes a week. How many friends do you have on FB, Thomas? And how many years has it been since you've cleared things out? While I think FB shares some of the blame, is this situation any different than not cleaning *anything else* out once in a while?
- Adam Lasnik
You know what is lame? Eight-day delays on hulu. A delay wouldn't bother me that much, but an eight-day delay is just STUPID. I'd seriously be interested in the network reasoning on this, if anyone has any clues.
Two things: exclusivity with other providers and encore replays of the episode. They could have a contract with iTunes, for example, that gives them the exclusive electronic distribution rights for a week, or they could be interested in playing the episode again later in the week. In both cases, they don't want Hulu to cannibalize those opportunities.
- Mark Trapp
I'd assume things like that. But my question is, wouldn't they rather you watch it on TV than through any of the electronic outlets? Or are they now getting more ad/purchase revenue through iTunes/hulu than on TV? Because if I miss an episode and have to wait eight days to watch it on hulu, then I miss the next episode on TV. And now I'm no longer watching it on TV at all for the rest of the season, I'm watching on hulu. Is this good for the network? Why not put it on hulu six days late instead of eight?
- Jandy
Well, iTunes is set income and return from the consumer: a consumer pays $1.99 for the episode, and that's that. With advertising, it's hard to determine if the advertiser really got their money's worth on an individual basis. With Hulu, there are studies showing that people sit through more ads online than they do when watching TV. TV is still king, because that's what advertisers...
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- Mark Trapp
What they're banking on with a long delay is that the true watchers of the show (the non casual viewers) will do what they need to do to watch the episode in a timely manner, either by watching it on TV, or by using the preferred distribution channel for that week. Either that, or that they will wait until the DVD comes out and shell out the cash. Casual viewers are like StumbleUpon or...
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- Mark Trapp
I'm pretty committed to my shows, but I'm also committed to not spending money for network TV. If inconvenienced badly by delays that keep me from getting back to the show on TV (my preferred viewing method), I'm much more likely to torrent the show than buy it from iTunes, etc. I feel like waiting for hulu when it's available immediately on torrent sites is already bending over backwards to try to do the right thing. Are there any statistics for whether an eight-day delay results in increased piracy?
- Jandy
I don't know about that specifically, but I do know there have been studies that have shown piracy to have gone down when legal means to digitally retrieve the content are available, even if there's a cost or DRM associated with it (like iTunes).
- Mark Trapp
One of my favorite shows on USA Network doesn't wait 8 days, they're up there like the next day. It's only NBC, FOX, etc that do that.
- Aaron Myers
Thanks for all the insights, Mark. I still think a shorter delay would be better for everyone, but you've given me some things to think about. For a personal perspective, I definitely pirate far less now that there are legal ways to get digital media. I don't do DRM, but I'd much prefer to use legal means when possible. I don't even mind paying for it, except for things that are initially free on TV.
- Jandy
Aaron, Sci-fi does it with Battlestar Galactica, too. Threw me in a tizzy at the end of the half-season. And Fox/NBC, etc don't do it with everything. I watched last week's Fringe in plenty of time for yesterday's episode, and Hell's Kitchen from last Thursday is up. The show in question this time is House.
- Jandy
My House season pass on iTunes comes in at midnight the day after it airs, so it might be an exclusivity contract coming into play. You have to think it as there's no such thing as a free lunch: when you watch a show on TV, it's not free: you pay for it by viewing ads. With Hulu or iTunes or any other distribution method, the value for those methods needs to offset the hit TV might take. The problem is in the calculus, and it's a very difficult problem for content providers to solve.
- Mark Trapp
But that's my point, Mark. I missed the episode, so I want to watch it before the next one airs. My preference at this point would be to watch ONE episode on hulu with limited ads, then the rest of the season on TV and watch the more-expensive TV ads. But I'm forced to watch the rest of the season on hulu with limited ads, and not see ANY more TV ads for that show at all. I'm accepting...
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- Jandy
Jandy, right, but the presumption is that if you really wanted to stay active in watching the show on a weekly basis, you'd spend the $1.99 and buy it from Amazon or iTunes. The people who wouldn't spend the money are probably people who wouldn't mind waiting. From Amazon or iTunes's side, a 6 day exclusivity is just as good as no exclusivity: the value in it for them is that they are the only places to get the show, so people have to come to them.
- Mark Trapp
what are you waiting to watch? most of that stuff is on the network's website the next day
- Richard Lawler
Richard, you are right: for some reason, networks find that to be infinitely valuable to have that on their site, even if they're delaying it to Hulu or other channels. ABC is notorious for keeping its content on its site. FOX, however, is an 8 day delay (just like Hulu). The other network I notice that doesn't play that game is CBS: they will not air full episodes of the Big Bang Theory on their site due to fears it might destroy the syndication market for the show.
- Mark Trapp
Heh. I guess I could just watch it there and shut up. But I can't stream shows from Fox.com through my Xbox to my TV, and I can do that with hulu. Plus I have far less technical issues with hulu than with the network sites, so I've just about stopped going to them. (Hence, if I miss an ABC show, I either torrent it immediately or just wait and get the DVDs from Netflix.)
- Jandy
that's definitely very true @mark and Jandy, it sucks that the content is out there, you just can't get at it the way you want, when you want. still, we're getting there. Imagine just a couple years ago when half the networks didn't offer streaming at all and there was no hulu.
- Richard Lawler
@Richard, oh, I remember a couple of years ago. There was a year or so there that I torrented everything. Literally. I resist that now, since there are legal options, but a lot of the time it would still be more convenient and certainly easier to use the way I want to (streaming an .avi file to my TV is easier than streaming hulu and it hiccups less).
- Jandy
shoot, I'll still sneakernet a downloaded avi on usb stick over to my xbox and watch it just like it was regular tv. I think the pressure is there though, you look at the stuff shown at CES, now that media streaming is getting put directly into displays the ways to get your video over the network should improve for everyone.
- Richard Lawler