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Stone vs iPhone
Navid Ht, Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど, StarKnight and 229 other people liked this
Can be used as paperweight ✓ ✓
- Nathaniel Payne
Bunun nokia 3310lusuda var :)
- loran the 'amorfati'
I choose stone : ) Better handling : )
- Selim Yoruk
Better standby time, too.
- Jordan Hofker
Personally I'm waiting for the iPebble...
- Johnny
Smash a rock into pieces and you get more. Smash an iphone, well, there aren't Nanos coming out.
- Jordan Hofker
@Ahmet Buleeeeeent yorum yaz
- MugeCerman
John: I remembered the flintstones' infant daughter Pebbles Flintstone after your comment. She was using a phone like this Stone, wasn't she? : )
- Erhan Erdoğan
Which proves, people want less features, not more! LOL
- Victor Ganata
Yeah, I'd rather have a stone than an iPhone.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Stones are also more theft deterrent.
- Shawn Farner
Stone is cheaper
- Morton Fox
bütün fuar gg oldu :)
- Ömer Enis
Hey, there is a huge period of time that we now call the Stone Age. I doubt we will ever have an era named the iPhone Age.
- Victor Ganata
Victor: Maybe Apple Age?
- Erhan Erdoğan
Still: the Apple Age 1976-2008. The Stone Age 3 million BC-3000 BC. Steve Jobs ain't gonna be around *that* long (barring major innovations in life prolongation that I'm sure he'd be able to afford.)
- Victor Ganata
When they came out they were hot ✓ ✓
- Benedikt Koehler
For most situations, I prefer the iPhone. I get really bad reception with my rock.. and it's hard to check my stocks and get directions to the pizza joint with it. But it works great as a makeshift mallet for pounding tent stakes when camping! My iPhone's a little to fragile for that. At least my iPhone can double as a flashlight in a pinch!
- Jackson D. Carson
OK. I will downgrade to Stone.
- Leon Ho
This is classic!! and I'm an iPhone fan!!
- Bronwyn
:)) haha
- Farzad
Worse is better http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... ".. limited but exceptionally simple to use may be "better" than that is more comprehensive but harder to use ..." stone is better ;)
- Turkey banned Bloggum :(
I'm sorry for this post, I wanna delete it now. :-) I had an iPhone gift and I'm very happy with my new Apple. She is really better than stone. http://friendfeed.com/e... :-)
- Erhan Erdoğan
...because it has a touchscreen, right? O:-)
- Marcos Marado
not touch..multi touch :)
- Ömer Zahit Kara
Can knock you out when hit with it: ✓ X
- Martha
Too funny! I have to leave a comment when I my laugh turns heads
- Rick Bucich
I want to see stone 3.0 when it comes out.
- Phil Boiarski
Stil choose the stone. Until someone buy me an iPhone.
- İbrahim Uzun [ j ]
You can build a wall with a stone.
- Martha
straight lulz. Wake the fuck up apple. OOOOOH COPY&PASTE COMING SOON!!!
- LarchOye
How big (Kb) is a MMS message on average?
- Johnny
I actually don't miss copy and paste.
- Victor Ganata
Good question Johnny. Without an attachment, I think they're <5kb. After that, it depends on your attachment I guess!
- Will Higgins™
An average MMS (according to Nokia) is 50KB. I pay 50c per MMS. Therefore I am paying 1c/KB or $10.24/MB or $10,485.76 per GB
- Johnny
for mhmazidi
- amirHP
This image should be updated!! Please tick MMS for iPhone 3G : )
- Erhan Erdogan (Eski)
Also one-way video call
- Özkan Altuner
Rock solid build quality ✓ X
- Sriks7
stone is not fragile, but iphone is. so better to use a stone.
- elodeon
Güzel kıyaslama:)
- Murat Demir
Every Friday, rain or shine. Your blog still loves you! :-) http://www.scripting.com/stories...
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How do you like this e-mail signature? Every employee. Every e-mail. Think this company gets social media?
dennisfa, Dave Q, Amir and 113 other people liked this
Disclaimer: Emulex is a client of Paladin Advisors Group, where I am GM of New Media (or whatever title I have these days)
- Louis Gray
All those links in every e-mail are clickable, by the way. The B is for the main blog page.
- Louis Gray
what's the last logo? oh... heh.
- Vicarbott
You can see all these logos on their Web site in the bottom right corner as well: http://www.emulex.com/
- Louis Gray
Pea, I think that depends on the user's Outlook settings. It is optional.
- Louis Gray
Oh if only Gmail allowed some HTMLy signatures! :(
- travispuk
GMail receives the sig just fine. Tested there and .Mac and Outlook.
- Louis Gray
So in other words, they don't "get" e-mail? :)
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
If I saw an email signature like this, I'd click on all of the links just to see how active they are. Some people have all these accounts but aren't active, so what's the point? But of course this doesn't apply to you Louis. I'm just saying in general.
- Violet Mae Lim
Violet, these are active. I promise. :)
- Louis Gray
If that company were REALLY into Social Media, it would have just one link, to your Google Profile: http://www.google.com/profile... ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, why show favoritism to Google? There's little actual social happening there so far.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Logical: I'm just having some fun with Louis. I personally hate tons of icons on things. So complicated. How do I pick? ;-)
- Robert Scoble
At some point, will you discuss the Paladin Advisor's Group more fully?
- DGentry
Louis: Looks nice! Looks better than my typical signature where I just have a link to my website and then a link to http://www.travishartwell.net/blog... that lists on my online accounts.
- Travis B. Hartwell
Robert has a free pass to tease or criticize anything I do. It's 100% fair game. I think Google Profiles aren't known well for folks to click through to yet. That said, Robert, bring it on. Here's the company's profile: http://www.google.com/profile...
- Louis Gray
And DGentry, yes, we can talk about Paladin soon. Promise.
- Louis Gray
Louis, I'm curious about the rationale for putting the Twitter link above the company website in the Google Profile?
- Tinfoil 2.0
LE: None. That's been fixed. :) Probably not thinking too much about it.
- Louis Gray
Logical: Twitter is the new website.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, now I know you're joking!
- Tinfoil 2.0
Logical: actually I was joking about the Google Profile thing, not kidding about the Twitter thing.
- Robert Scoble
Robert... after all you've said about Twitter and the fragility of SNS relative to your own brand?
- Tinfoil 2.0
Yeah, but where's your email address? LOL
- David Libby
Didn't you hear....E-Mail is Dead!
- Owen Greaves
you can do html in gmail, with a firefox plugin Blank Canvas http://blankcanvasweb.com/pages...
- Robert Higgins
Yes, e-mail is dead. It is also required in order to create an account on how many Web sites!?! I think I was required to link my OpenID account to an e-mail address. So much for Identitiy 2.0....
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Looks sharp imho.
- Rob Schieber
what, no My Space link?
- Jeff (Team マクダジ )
Louis - I like the links on the home page, but EVERY employee gets that? I can tell you that lots of storage people are going to be scared by all of the "interwebs" stuff. I <3 the Emulex guys and know they're trying to update their image, but I'd think that most of them have bigger issues that learning to explain what FriendFeed and SlideShare are when people look at them funny.
- Stuart Miniman
Stu, I think I should use the word "optional". It's optional to everyone and every e-mail. And it's fine if some conservative industries aren't ready yet. It's time to shake it up.
- Louis Gray
Is it using Wisestamp? Very nice. FYI - Wisestamp is free, works w/ Gmail, Posterous, even the links.
- Liza + = ?
It's a bit much
- Rodfather
The nice thing about Wisestamp is you can delete the icons in gmail, if it is going to someone who you think has no idea what Slideshare is. Otherwise, wd be a pain.
- Liza + = ?
I tend to fall into the plain text camp. my signature is as follows: " -- 505.652.2878 http://sarahvela.net @orchid8 everywhere"
- Que Sarah Sarah
Yeah, I like simple signatures.
- Andrew C (✓)
All the hyperlinks scream I'm spam & it will likely be treated as such by many mail programs.
- Rick Frank
Rick, very good feedback. It will be considered.
- Louis Gray
Too much. Too busy. I'd get rid of the office line, the link to lousgray.com, and definitely the emulex logo. Anyway that's just my opinion :)
- Eric Florenzano
They get it better than I do. I have to admit, I do not recognize all of those icons as they do!
- Randy Rambo
check out http://www.socialmediav.com they have a killer signature widget, both for personal and corporate brands! :)
- sera aktüre
Office and mobile phone? You need Google voice. I was able to get a cool number, (areacode) 4 Julio F
- Julio F ~ @SocialJulio
Just a simple link to a homepage should be enough, small description about what you do, and phone numbers if you're into that kind of thing.
- Peter Stuifzand
Too many links in an email signature can cause the email to be flagged as spam. you need to test it out before using it. never can be 100% certain...
- Mike Nencetti
Are those custom icons, or something pulled from the web?
- Spencer
How does that degrade? Are there alt tags? Does the text/alternative or text/plain part properly remove the HTML and still preserve the pertinent information? Accessibility is just as if not more important than having something flashy IMHO. (Disclaimer: I use a text MUA and you'll get me to accept HTML mail sometime shortly after the sun suffers hydrogen exhaustion...)
- matthew john ernisse
yes but what's it mean? More is not bettter.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Personally, it seems way too cluttered to me. I would rather just have a link to a page on the company's website that lists all of their various connections. I'm almost as jaded to those icons as I am to banner ads. If I want to know about the company I will be looking at their website first, then their blog, then whatever other services interest me, but I'll always go to their website first. If that's not impressive then it doesn't really matter what they're doing in other spaces.
- Lindsay
Looks good to me. Simple. IMO, I would (1) bump name size +2 pts (2) maybe italicize title or choose different font, so it will jump out at you, but not as much as name (3) remove "www." from website. (4) I haven't seen this in real-life to look at overall point sizes. Often people's business cards need ALL pts sizes +2 to +4. As my 72-yr old Dad always reminds me, older people can't...
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- Mitchell Tsai
Simple and To The Point!!! The Purple " B" Logo...What Brand is That???
- @CtrlFollow
I had same question - never seen it!
- Susan Beebe
@louis - how'd you create a company google profile?
- andy brudtkuhl
Andy, A Google profile is just assigned to a GMail account. So if you create a centralized GMail account, you can make a company profile. This one, for example, is emulexinc@gmail.com. More on the strategy here: http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- Louis Gray
I think if they are all business related and it is for marketing- why not. There is another app nomee.com that does a card also. It is flash based so won't work on the iphone
- Kathleen Cercone
"I even remember what it was like before Robert Scoble got here!"
Tyson Key, Penguin, Jeff (Team マクダジ ) and 105 other people liked this
i do actually recall what it was like before he got here
- MG Siegler
lol lol
- Chris Saad
I recall what it was like when he declined to be here. :)
- Louis Gray
Who is Robert Scoble? Is he Alex's brother or something?
- Jim Norris
What was it like?
- Christian Collins
quieter
- MG Siegler
a moment of win?
- Trish Haley
I try to beat Scoble onto networks I think might blow up so I can experience that quiet. :P
- Shawn Farner
I remember FriendFeed when Mona was Scoble!
- Zulema ⋅ spicy cocoa tart
from iPhone
++Zulema
- Bruce Lewis
Hell, I even remember what it was like before I got here.
- Kelly Norton
who?
- Ivan Kirigin
I remember what it was like before Ivan Kirigin actively participated here. Good to see you commenting. :-)
- Bruce Lewis
I remember too!! Haha!!! :D
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Hehe MG.
- JCunwired
It was, in fact, even nicer back then. Back when Paul was Leo LaPorte
- j1m
Mona was Scoble??? Really trying to imagine that...
- George Hall (Australia)
I thought it was Guy Kawasaki that started the downfall of Friendfeed? :)
- Ray Cromwell
I am always going to have a place for FF. Just like I will have for gmail. Paul you might have something to do with this.
- Akshay Dodeja
beta invites, it seems so distant...
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
I remember when FriendFeed was available only through VT100 terminals.
- Jemm
I even remember what it was like before Alex Scoble got here. But I never knew a time without Louis Gray. And, before Paul? Well, there was Twitter. I remember that time well. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Mark: rrrriiiiiggggghhhhttttt. Write your own, I guess is the option.
- Robert Scoble
Mona was a much more attractive Scoble. "Queen of FriendFeed" as I recall.
- DGentry
Mark: @god owns those. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I have this site bookmarked as ScobleFeed
- Travis Smith
Who?
- Will Higgins™
I too was here long before Scoble but thankfully I've gotten to know him much better after his arrival. Death to Scoble...Long live Scoble.
- Mark Krynsky
There was a "before Robert Scoble got here"?
- Morton Fox
BRS (Before Robert Scoble) will be a new measurement of time.
- Jemm
I think BS (Before Scoble) would be better. ;) Just kidding Robert
- Keith - @tsudo
I'm pretty sure Scoble was here when I got here, but I followed Louise Gray here and Scoble was quiet back then. His Twitter followers weren't following him en masse to FF like they apparently do now.
- Rah-PM 2012
I don't remember but I love that quote anyway. That needs to show up in my feed again.
- Martha
Oh now we're starting to insult Robert now? Shame. :(
- Mol, FF Music Lover
Molly... how is it insulting him.. he is in this thread joking along with it... not sure he feels insulted, maybe he would say so if he was..
- Rob Sellen :o)
Molly: if you think this is insulting you should read some of the people over on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
I remember FriendFeed on a 28.8k modem. I'm totally being serious. This whole real-time thing would have sucked. Oh, and yes, I remember FriendFeed before Robert. ;-)
- Zach Flauaus
Facebook Prepares to Compete With Gmail: Launches Messaging API - http://staynalive.com/article...
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Interesting new frontier.
- Kathy Fitch
Yes, very interesting. Nothing personal in it at all, I'm sure.;)
- Melanie Reed
Right, Melanie--Jesse's practically salivating! <grin>
- Kathy Fitch
Kathy, yes, I am. :-P
- Jesse Stay
Interesting, the mail UX is one of the main reason I hate the site, their inbox is of no use to me!
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
I'm sure I'm being dense here, but what's the benefit for me as a user?
- Tinfoil 2.0
Logical the benefit is that you'll soon be able to manage your Facebook messages in clients such as Seesmic, similar to how you do DMs
- Jesse Stay
from iPhone
Isn't it only one way? I thought i read that somewhere...
- Frankie Warren
Frankie, as I said in my post, yes, you can only read inboxes, not post to them currently. That doesn't stop you from including a link back to Facebook to let them post though.
- Jesse Stay
So ... I'm going to get a notification in my Gmail account that I have a Facebook email?
- dkb
dkb you can do that already - just set it up in your privacy settings on Facebook
- Jesse Stay
Riiight. I guess I'll have to wait and see it in action. Doesn't make sense to me, but I could be missing something.
- dkb
Feedly is changing the way I read news on the Web. - http://www.feedly.com
"Sedat", thomas elton, Nicolai Butzki and 49 other people liked this
what do you like better about feedly then friendfeed or others? just curious. I'm trying to cut back, not add more tools, great s they might be. i'm exploding!
- washwords
Can I like this 3x. Thanks for a GREAT recommendation, Bwana. My new fave Firefox extension.
- Leo Laporte
Wow, even the screensaver function is cool...I might be leaning to feedly and away from greader...
- Anthony Farrior
Revisited based on a few 'endorsements' here on FF. Wow. Easy, fast, just cool.
- Charlie Anzman
What are the implications of "no thanks"? Same as "Mark as read"?
- Andrew Smith
@cecily if you get a chance, go to the feedly dashboard (through dashboard link at the top right of the screen) and click on the star next to the sources you like the most and see if the what's new page looks any better. The other option is to click on the "cover" icon on the top left on the nav bar and see if that view is more diggestable. If you have specific ideas on how to make the interface more appealing let us know!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
@andrew no thanks = mark the article as read + let the feedly recommendation engine know that you did not like this recommendation. This metadata is then used with other criteria to unfluence future recommendations.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
@Edwin, thanks, good to know.
- Andrew Smith
@Bwana Where is Feedly video, I love Bwana TV more than Scobleizer TV : ))
- Erhan Erdoğan
Hmm... have speed dial already loaded upon feedly install and cannot find feedly anywhere
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
Mati likes it! :):)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I'm in love!
- Angel Smith
I installed and uninstalled all in 1 minute.
- Aaron Myers
Erhan, thanks :) I need to learn how to utilize it properly before I screencast it...it's coming soon though, I love this thing
- Bwana ☠
Looks promising, but I'm always suspicious of extensions that don't come from Mozilla addons site...
- João Almeida
What do you guys say to the folks who say Feedly crapped all over their Google Reader (adding feeds to it)?
- David Risley
It's in this thread David: http://friendfeed.com/e... We asked for a bigger warning since the one there is easily missed, the Feedly guys chime in as to why they did it that way. It doesn't "crap" all over your feed, it does create new folders, but they are easily removed. They are working on an undo procedure as well.
- Bwana ☠
@Bwana waiting impatiently : )
- Erhan Erdoğan
Oh my lord. I just checked my Google Reader, it's has 2348279384723 new feeds. Thanks Freedly.
- Aaron Myers
want to see converstaion integrated to feedly. then it really rocks. someone out there should get ff and disqus into feedly in an api way.
- kosmar
I was sort of suprised that some were vehement about the "crap". I woke up and still am enthralled.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I love it!!! The only feature I'd add is the ability to customize how my emailed items look...
- Kenneth LeFebvre
@David Risley fixed. feedly has now a better msg and automated-undo http://edwink.devhd.com/2008...
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I'm really liking Feedly as well. We'll see how it goes
- Shey
iGoogle has been my home page for well over a year and what I have found is that via widgets its generally there for me to either click on gmail or to go into google reader - the other widgets are generally worth an odd glance but thats about it - I've put feedly as my home page and will see how this works out - but first impressions is a clean easy to use interface even if you have a few hundred feeds to juggle..
- Jican
Feedly is awesome: I had a few hiccups after installation, but I re-installed, and it has been a real help in 2 ways: 1) motivated me to clean up my feeds and sort them into a major category 2)motivates me daily to actually skim through and read the content that is closest to my current interests. well done!
- Terri MacMillan
LOVE Feedly.
- Fleagle
I want it for chrome. Any chance?
- Erfun
Not dissing Feedly, but didn't experience anything that made me want to give up Google Reader when I tried Feedly a few months ago. Anyone care to explain why I should try again?
- Chris Stevenson
I don't work for them, so I don't see a reason to convince you. Some people like it, some don't.
- Fleagle
Hi Chris: feedly tries to provide a magazine like summary of your google reader. Some users only care about productivity and find the magazine like interface a step backward. Some users like it and use it in concert with their google reader. Some people prefer using the magazine like interface only.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Anybody with invite for Inbox2 ?
Aaron Myers liked this
Still waiting for an invite!
- Jigar Mehta
I have an account but invites are turned off. Check the inbox2 blog
- Jesi
Inbox2 blog is dead right now. Times out.
- Jigar Mehta
Blog is down.. Will be up after weekend. http://twitter.com/teaminb...
- Jigar Mehta
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
Scoble, Alex Scoble and Aaron Myers liked this
Look what was watching me when I went to check my mailbox at my complex!
Aaron Myers liked this
I always feel like, somebodies WAAATCHIN' mmeeee!
- Adam Helweh
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Bleah.
- Ⓒⓗⓡⓘⓢ Ⓟⓘⓡⓘⓛⓛⓞ
it doesn't have an apple logo on it, I think I'll pass...haha :)
- Mike Bracco
Shevonne - Verizon's on a huge promotional run. Practically 'stole' the Env Touch I bought a few days ago http://ff.im/3VsEW (Hint: You don't have to buy the stuff at Wal-mart ... just mention how much lower they are ... )
- Charlie Anzman
Meh. Ditching them as soon as I can get my hands on a 3gs!
- Adam C.
Have you added the FriendFeed widget to your blog yet? If not, why not? http://friendfeed.com/embed
Joseph Akbrud, Kol Tregaskes, Lu Tao and 24 other people liked this
Because I'm not my own host and WP doesn't support it :(
- Mona Nomura
if we could embed our entire friendfeed page onto our site & have one click signup for non-friendfeed members. That would be superb.
- Zee.
Paul - because WordPress templates frighten me.
- Patrick Lightbody
Paul - did you fix the word wrap issue for comments? e.g. on my blog comments cascade across the column into the right margin - http://blog.infinitelymeta.com/reef-ta... not a big deal at all. just wondering. great work on the beta btw.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
you know what Paul - ignore what I said....apart from letting people sign up directly via the widget. Then my friends/family who aren't on friendfeed can comment directly plus you get a whole bunch of new 'non-techy' members.
- Zee.
Does WP allow iframes?
- Paul Buchheit
I tried a couple of times to get it to work, but even with setting the width, the comments still sprawled outside the border of the widget and looked ugly.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Still using the original script on the front page, but did add 'Share on FriendFeed' to the Blogger post template today. Awesome.
- MLx
i haven't because i'm trying to figure out where to put it on my blog.
- Morgan
Not sure Paul. I'm using Chris Pirillo's Social Media theme. Not a WP guru myself. Willing to test though.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
FYI: Adding the widgets (other than the "Share on FriendFeed" link) to self-hosted WordPress requires zero knowledge of WordPress templates. You login to WordPress, click on "Design", then "Widgets", and add a "text" widget and paste in the code.
- Benjamin Golub
No because my blog sidebar is too narrow and changing the widget width cuts the text off mid-line. May redesign my blog one day when I'm bored.
- Deborah Fitchett
I did, before Godaddy lost the location of my blog they host and I can't get it back :(
- Johnny
I had it on my old site design, just added it to my latest. Thanks for the reminder.
- Jack&Cleo
I just did the other day when someone posted the link here on FF. It rocks, thx.
- Victoria Plautia
Yes - to http://www.ad2025andbeyond.com - with summary feed from 3 friendfeed rooms I can easily share links to.
- Justin Long
I'll check it out after work! Thanks!
- Ron
can you remove the border from the widget? And is there a way to make the background of the widget transparent?
- Zee.
I did it. I would like some CSS options right in the widget editor--colors, fonts, etc. :D
- Josh
how Josh?
- Zee.
remove the border: .friendfeed.widget { border: 0 !important; }
- Benjamin Golub
No JS http://faq.wordpress.com/2007... and no iframes http://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic... on WordPress.com Sadly no flash embedding support either unless WP.com adds support for a site: http://faq.wordpress.com/2006...
- EricaJoy
I have, well, not my blog, but my "main page": http://www.xs4all.nl/~pkleiw...
- ˈpɛbə
I have had it on my blog for ages and it is great see http://www.loiclemeur.com
- Loic Le Meur
awesome, thank you Benjamin. No way to make the background transparent is there? Or is that not poss?
- Zee.
To answer the question, yes I do, but I haven't switched to the new one. :)
- EricaJoy
Zee: try .friendfeed.widget { background-color: transparent !important; }. Anything's possible :)
- Benjamin Golub
Last time I tried to fit it in a 160px sidebar I couldn't make it look good. Is it time to retry?
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
I like the old one better :P
- Shey
hell, yeah! both on the main page and a dedicated page :) http://www.c4chaos.com/hyperst...
- ~C4Chaos
dang, no luck - thanks all the same Ben
- Zee.
I didn't like what it looked like.
- Andrew Leyden
For some help, see http://friendfeed.com/e...
- ˈpɛbə
I just added mine to http://www.virtualbirdseye.com - don't know if I like it or not... We'll see how I can fit it in better.
- Virtual Bird's Eye
from twhirl
Used it as an experiment in the 'blog that posted itself' recently. Great. Now I'd like to use it in sidebar as widget. Can't change text size tho'. Too big.
- Kate Foy
Ditto Loic - but switched to the newer wider one. Would love to be able to do like 7 or 8 in instead of 5 OR 10. Try to keep the stream clean there for others. Think 7 would be perfect but one size doesn't fit all :)
- Charlie Anzman
you can do different numbers, just change the num= variable. I use num=12
- Justin Long
@Peter thank you!
- Zee.
I don't feel like my friendfeed content meshes very well with my blog. I enjoy friendfeed quite a bit, but I don't really feel the need to try to get more people to look at my friendfeed. I did try it a couple months ago before it was really public, when I noticed it on your blog, Paul. I do use the friendfeed comment plugin. Maybe I will add a share on friendfeed button.
- Robert Felty
Nope - hosted wordpress.com doesn't allow widgets
- Hutch Carpenter
Absolutely, I've had the widget on the blog for about a month. KnowtheNetwork.com
- Keith - @tsudo
nope, because I made my own version ;)
- Pascal
I did install it but I don't really like its size. I'd like something narrower and with a smaller font. I don't know if this is something I can fix with CSS magic, but that's not my thing.
- Robert Konigsberg
From my point of view: How exactly would it help the readers of Blogoscoped? What's the problem it would solve? Not everything I say on Friendfeed is relevant to the content of Blogoscoped. Now, give me a widget that I can customize to make it be relevant just to a single specific blog post and I will give it a try perhaps... an RSS feed for "comments on URL xyz" (where I can make xyz be a Blogoscoped permalink of a new post) would be interesting :)
- Philipp Lenssen
+1 to Philipp. The only widget I have on my blog is delicious tags, and I'm not even sure that's useful to my readers.
- Amit Patel
It works perfectly! scott-paterson.com
- Scott Paterson
I've been using Evan's widget but it seems to have stopped updating... (see http://www.cosmictap.com)
- Anthony Citrano
Word wrap issue for comments. Will that be fixed?
- Dennis Metzcher
thanks @Benjamin Golub for the removing of the border code. worked great.
- Thom Allen
I would use it if only for one thing: the word wrap issue with comments.
- Ryan Stanley
Just added it to www.woodysworld.tv under What's the Word. Carries my Twitter, Flickr, Youtube and Pandora. Customized CSS. I'll be changing title to "My Friend Feed"
- Jim W
When will the fact that the comments do not wrap when using the widget on my site be corrected? Please update us. :)
- Dennis Metzcher
Dennis: that is by design so that long comments don't cause the widget to be super long in narrow places. You can make comments wrap with this CSS: .friendfeed.widget .feed .entry .comment { white-space: normal !important; }
- Benjamin Golub
Yes, but I just moved it to the sidebar (it was on the bottom, because the comments weren't wrapping). I am not fond of the background color, and I don't know what to do with the CSS. http://miniaturemage.blogspot.com
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
when i use the css to wrap comments, at the beginning of each line of the comment there displays a different 'comment' symbol. very weird.
- Patrick
I've just learnt of this today and already adapted it to my Google Blogger, but I find I can't embed it on wordpress.com blog. Pity. It's something that would greatly add to blogs.
- George Hall (Australia)
Hi George: you should be able to embed the image versions of our widgets on your wordpress.com blog. Just pick "Image" as the format.
- Benjamin Golub
from email
Building43 is going to go even further than a simple embed. More later.
- Robert Scoble
I'm in the middle of developing my personal site but here is my embedded widget - I customized a bunch of the CSS as well - http://mikebracco.com/aggrega...
- Mike Bracco
I've added Friendfeed widgets to the About pages of coverbrowser.com and sketchory.com ... it's displaying feedback in regards to the site.
- Philipp Lenssen
"Why not?" Good Question. No blog is The Answer.
- ianf ⌘
See Real Time Blogging with FF -> http://getanewbrowser.com/2009...
- andy brudtkuhl
I would like my Friendfeed page to sit in place of my blog on my website, but none of the widget styles are close enough for that (and iframing my Friendfeed page is a little much).
- Glen Murphy
This is back? I have my FF profile on the blog. An embedded widget would likely take up too much space.
- Louis Gray
I wanted but simplicity matters, so took it back.
- Burcu Dogan
Not sure. But I have helped others embed (example http://bebepool.com/arthur ) their own feed into one of my online services (http://bebepool.com - which, over the past 3 months, had 4% of new pool accounts try to use the ff embed feature. The success rate of signing up for ff then plugging in the new user account into their bebepool settings and also not marking their account Private...
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- Micah
The widget pretty much *is* my homepage: http://thomas.wittek.me/
- Thomas
@Thomas very cool homepage
- ˈpɛbə
Yep, for ages now.
- Kate Foy
because it's style is not letting to change, My blog is not blue :)
- Okeane
BREAKING: Increased sales of yogurt attributed to TV series "Burn Notice"
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Yay!
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
waiting for the episode where Fiona improvises an explosive from yogurt, det cord & mojitos :-D
- Karim
Mojitos? That would require help from Sam. Can she accept that? ;)
- Michael W. May
lol MWM
- Karim
No doubt, this is gonna be interesting
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I keep hearing that, but why? Isn't it just another search engine? I'll admit that I haven't been paying a whole lot of attention to it, but that's what it looks like.
- Derek Coward
Derek - It launches in abt a week and is expected to be very different than Google ... and not an out-of-the-box fail (ugh ... Cuil :). Numerous reviews around the web by people that saw the preview. Most thought it was pretty interesting. With all due respect to the founder, they could have picked a better name ??
- Charlie Anzman
Like HAL.
- DGentry
The live countdown is on! http://blog.wolframalpha.com/2009...
- Charlie Anzman
Derek -- it's much more than just another search engine -- it's a computational knowledge engine, for real. It has a long way to go to fulfill it's full potential, but Stephen Wolfram has established an important beachhead.
- Sean McBride
watching and commenting: http://ff.im/2W4Zp
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Since nobody's seen it yet, I wouldn't get too excited. What they are trying to do is difficult not only technically, but from a social sciences standpoint. I'm not so sure people search to find computationally-generatable results.
- Aaron deMello
Actually Aaron - People are seeing it and commenting here and on Twitter #Wolfram
- Charlie Anzman
Just trying to save humanity from Skynet, Charlie.
- Aaron deMello
So far, seeing some not-so-good comments around the 'sphere'. We'll see. BTW .. The URL to test is http://www.wolfram-alpha.com/input...
- Charlie Anzman
Wolfram is an industry & academic tool, so all those Googlers will be pretty at a loss. But that's fine. I can see myself using this every day for work.
- CannonGod
For scientists it's going to be immensely useful; I can see myself using it daily instead of getting frustrated with Google. For the average Googler, less so.
- Sally Church
With all due respect to Wolfram and his team ... I keep saying Wolfman .
- Charlie Anzman
I haven't heard too many details about it, but I know people are excited. What makes it so fantastic?
- Adriana
Best thing to do is go there. It's different. Not apparently meant to be a Google killer and has a way to go but interesting. Not an out-of-the-box FAIL like Cuil was (and still is) http://www.wolframalpha.com/
- Charlie Anzman
Google is aimed at finding websites - this is aimed at finding information. Very different. People judge all search engines in comparison to not only google but their habits built around google. New search engines tend to be disliked because people are familiar with the behavior of google, even when the behavior is inadequate. Inadequacies in the system become things we expect, because...
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- Iphigenie
We all have been googlized.
- Ashish
I wanted to like it but I haven't found much use to it on a daily basis.
- Manuel Mas
Google Street View at night? I think this is the first time I've come across it: http://maps.google.com/maps...
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wow...that's rare.
- Chris Rossini
That's very strange. Seems like it makes the service a little useless, unfortunately.
- Brandon Titus
I think it's a great idea to have day and night as a choice. Things look really different at night sometimes.
- Ginger Makela Riker
And check this http://maps.google.com/maps... , You will be able to see both day and night
- Varun Mahajan
So, Kevin, how is your new haircut?
- Jérôme
I bet this is just a test run that should never have made it to production.
- Steve and 3 other people
That said, they should do the Las Vegas strip at night.
- Steve and 3 other people
Jerome, Kevin's hair looks great!
- Rachel Lea Fox
Twitter's Cap of 2,000 Following In Action!
Jacob, dgw, Sullivan and 56 other people liked this
As mentioned earlier today, Twitter seems to have capped your ability to follow at 2,000 people, which just so happens to be exactly where I am. The goal, in theory, is to stop marketing-oriented spammers, but it could be another way to reduce stress on the system. So what should I do now, delete "less favored" people, or wait for Twitter to figure this out?
- Louis Gray
from email
Maybe it's the legacy talking, but I'm really not bothered by this. :P
- Ⓒⓗⓡⓘⓢ Ⓟⓘⓡⓘⓛⓛⓞ
I can see why they do it, but it does suck for the people who do it legitimately and are not using stupid mass follow scripts.
- David Risley
I'm not super-concerned either, but it does answer why all of a sudden, I started getting these errors last week. It could be part of their "Making Progress On Spam" initiative via the blog, but it hasn't been spelled out all that clearly.
- Louis Gray
let blame this one on Scobles... :)-
- Peter Dawson
Louis, I think cap is more of the architecture the system. Making it into a more robust platform. Now watermarks have been set, it becomes easier to build consistency of experience and application behavior. <Edit > wait for Twitter to figure it out.. Marketing spammers are targeting the 'stupid' one that have the auto follow !!
- Peter Dawson
gotta like it, if I'm the one you are trying to follow!
- Ben Hedrington
I don't think there should be limits like this, but I guess everything can't be infinite
- Rah-PM 2012
I honestly am indifferent about it; Twitter is going to hell and i tried my best to convert it; oh well, Hell has cookies
- Gordon Swaby
I"m only following 49... with 106 followers..
- Ian May
so what do you think, Louis, is benhedrington worth going to the mat for?
- Nathan Rein
I'm sure I can find someone to unfollow in exchange for Ben.
- Louis Gray
Twitter needs to build in groups functionality a la tweetdeck for following 2K+ to even be practical.
- Nicholas Molnar
Louis: You need to convince the new people to head over here :)
- Justin Korn
I'm just curious what the rationale is for following that many people.
- Paul Rodriguez
Well, maybe that's why Louis always seems to know what's going on before anybody else.
- Rah-PM 2012
I've noticed that most of the time I get followed by somebody with a big number, it tends to be marketing play. It triggers the email to you and then you go look and click on their bio link which takes you to the pitch. Very irritating. I always block em.
- Mark Schulz
@Paul Rodriguez, I was wondering that too. I wouldn't have even guessed there are 2000 interesting people in the world </cynicism>, but what fascinate me is that i'm following like 83 people and only about 14 of them tweet regularly. I can assume most of those 2000 do not tweet regularly. Add in the fact that I'm a WAHM to two toddlers, and do other stuff, there'd be a lot of stuff I'd miss.
- Anika
New profit center? Sorry, but now you'll have to join Twitter Pro ....
- Charlie Anzman
Info restrictions suck:(
- Igor Poltavskiy
Very interesting. System limits is going to be a topic that we all work through in this early phase of the Social Web. It seems to me that it's reasonable to cap the number one follows to 1,000 or 2,000. On the flipside, one would clearly like to enable a very high number of followers. With respect to bi-directional connections, the real number should max at 1,000 to 2,000...
- John McCrea
So where is the point following 30k people? You might as well hit the main timeline. The only thing that is bad about this limit is that it was not there from the beginning.
- Alexander Kohlhofer
@kevinrose: 56K+. Losing 54K+?
- Igor Poltavskiy
so what's going to happen to those who follow over 2000?
- Wayne Sutton
you follow two. thousand. people.??? never mind twitter; there may be a law against that.
- jeneane sessum
I like the new limit. I cannot see how anyone would be able to legitimately follow (and pay attention to) more than 2,000 people. Frankly, even that limit seems higher than it needs to be. If it helps keep Twitter a little more stable, go for it.
- Dennis Metzcher
Couple thoughts: the limit impacts the ability to use the service as a direct message router -- for some people. It also reinforces the need for dectralized microblogging -- so if you want exceed the limits you can do so on your own infrastructure. Lastly, nothing prevents you from following everyone or a subset of people through RSS/feeds.
- Chris Messina
Are we sure that Twitter has set a 2,000 limit are or we cranking up the rumor mill? I've seen image before with respect to my own account - an account which just reached 1,000 followers today. According the Twitter rep who contacted me, I got - ahem - put in "Twitter Prison" for "Aggressive Following" My ratio of Followers to Following was kinda out of whack - at that time I had only ~800 people following me while I was following ~2,800 - They suspended my ability to follow more people. I removed 2K.
- Vincent Wright
I don't understand the motivation for following 2K people if you're not a spammer... someone explain?
- Jason Carreira
Jason: For a entrepreneur/VC/angel networker, it would be very easy to hit 2,000 contacts (assuming you used Twitter like a rolodex). From one networking meeting, I might pick up 0-100+ business cards (more at conferences), and during a heavy season I could be doing 7-10 meetings/week. As a angel, I might want to follow 5,000-10,000+ projects/people. Anyone might have a really good project 2-10+ years down the pipe... I've got cartons/boxes of 3-ring binders of business cards in plastic sheets.
- Mitchell Tsai
@Mitchell @Charlie - Rumors aside, do you think the cap is a gesture towards monetization? Going after the power networkers? Seems you would have good cause to pay for a Twitter Pro, or would it just not be worth it?
- joneilortiz
I use Twitter as both a professional development tool (following people who say useful and interesting things abt health / edtech / social media / libraries ...), a personal tool (friends and folk who are amusing), and a reference tool (following a lot of news streams and information resources). You can hit 2000 fast. A friend says that people are imagining new ways in which Twitter could be used, but Twitter seems bound and determined to force them back into some small box of how it "ought" to be.
- Patricia F. Anderson
I would happily follow more than 2000 people, heck I am almost there. And I don't need to see every message. With Tweetdeck it's manageable. I see some Friendfeed users here have thousands to tens of thousands of subscriptions, should we also say it's good to have a cap here? No, please no. I understand that perhaps it has to do with monetization or stressing the system less, these are alas viable reasons.
- Jacob
Tweet at work without getting caught: http://www.elliottkember.com/spreadt... Make Twitter look like Excel! (RT @robbiewolfe) Too funny!
Matthew Sauer, Aaron Myers and David Slater liked this
This is pretty funny!
- Aaron Myers
SPECIAL NOTICE
Emma, Anna Haro, LJF Wolffe and 17 other people liked this
Shouldn't you be watching the Sounders match?
- Akiva
recording it.....at an sbux answering emails after club football all day at Starfire....
- Live4Emma (L4S)
Ah. That's allowable, then.
- Akiva
Just finished watching the match. The goals were pretty dire. Keller getting beat, near side and bad marking by Chicago on the corner... Oh well, a point is a point...
- Live4Emma (L4S)
Yeah. Chicago laid on some serious pressure and after we went down a man I was glad enough to walk away with the point.
- Akiva
To those asking: Site slowness today had nothing to do with @Oprah. That had a huge effect Fri, but team kept it under control. More to do!
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One big difference between Twitter and friendfeed (in Twitter's favor too!!!). See here:
vdimauro, Tiffany Monhollon, Dobromir Hadzhiev and 78 other people liked this
People follow on Twitter. My friendfeed rates have gone way down.
- Robert Scoble
I looked into a few people I've recommended. On Twitter they are getting followed at a MUCH higher rate than their friendfeed accounts are.
- Robert Scoble
That's not a good trend for friendfeed, because it means that there's a much stronger power law in effect there where people like me will have more power to get content noticed than new people who come along.
- Robert Scoble
That is because Twitter is getting a lot of mainstream media attention unlike Friendfeed.
- Veetrag
I wonder why that is? I have some theories that I'll explore over next few minutes.
- Robert Scoble
either im missing something...or haven't used friendfeed much... can you only comment on the main post - or can you comment on a comment?
- Cole Orton
Come to the live version of this post to join along in live time: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
It's much easier to add people in twitter and then to just ignore them. FriendFeed is much richer.
- Kevin Gamble
Robert, just because you recommend someone on FF doesn't mean they'll automatically get followed. If he or she isn't interacting here, why would I? I could just read their tweets elsewhere.
- FFing Enigma
i really think ff is missing out if you can't comment on a comment
- Cole Orton
Veetrag: not true. I filtered out for numbers of people on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Tina; yet on Twitter if I recommend someone they get followed in droves.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: When you Like and comment on entries from the folks you follow on FriendFeed, you're putting their material in our line of sight. It's not as important to follow massive numbers of people on FF, because one's network does the work of pulling in new content.
- Ken Sheppardson
Cole: what are you talking about. Just use the first name of the comment you are replying to, just like I did.
- Robert Scoble
Brevity of information in twitter? More thorough information on friendfeed? It depends on how much the follower is wanting/willing to consume.
- JCunwired
While your point may be true, I don't understand if it means anything....
- Bwana ☠
BCK: nope, I don't think you've hit the answer either.
- Robert Scoble
jcunwired: FAIL too. You still haven't hit it.
- Robert Scoble
Flashback to 1997. Twitter = Lotus cc:Mail. FF = MS Outlook/Exchange.
- Peter Ghosh
that just seems like bad design - there's no "link" as to what comment you're commenting on that way.
- Cole Orton
Just try to have this conversation in Twitter. That's not happening.
- Kevin Gamble
That's true, Robert, but assuming you're talking about the rec you made Friday night 1) it was in a comment, not your original post (which would get more attention) and 2) time of day really does matter.
- FFing Enigma
Bwana: on Twitter everyone's page has tiles of the people who they've followed and the numbers of people they are following. Twitter has created a "follower game." Friendfeed doesn't make that game so obvious so people don't play it.
- Robert Scoble
Friendfeed is more serious than twitter. I mean that friendfeed is used for spreading interesting topics and conversations. Twitter is more to get updated and the majority uses for uhm lets see.. nothing useful.
- Rafael
I already follow 1300 people. I only follow more people if they A) are adding good content B) are participating or C) are friends/family
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
No follower game is a bad thing? FOaF obsoletes it imho.
- Bwana ☠
I have followed you on friendfeed since yesterday... much easier to break through the noise, but I have been on Twitter longer so I tend to follow your recomends there.
- Michael Angelo Truncale
I can interact very easily with people I'm not following on here. Sometimes I don't even realize that I'm not following certain people.
- Michael McKean
Tina: I've been watching the follower numbers of other people who recommend people too. On friendfeed we are far more adverse. I believe that the real-time version of friendfeed has caused people to unsubscribe, too.
- Robert Scoble
I get all kinds of nuggets on FriendFeed from people I don't follow... through FoaF
- Bwana ☠
You don't have to necessarily be friend with someone on FF to see his/her comments. If it's a friend of a friend you'll see a lot of likes/comments of that person "for free".
- Christoph Studer
Michael: you can tell you're not following. Their icons next to their comments are white.
- Robert Scoble
Bwana: exactly
- Christoph Studer
i am very confused by this posting. what are we supposed to "see here?"
- @baratunde
@baratunde: the conversation.
- Robert Scoble
I agree that people are trimming their follows possibly due to real time. That's their choice. On the other hand, content is still readily accessible via FoaF (assuming of course that it's still on).
- FFing Enigma
Steven: yes, we are cliques here. More like nodes.
- Robert Scoble
My followers who don't follow Robert, see this conversation by default. Twitter doesn't do that.
- Bwana ☠
I find the real-time version of FF makes me want to stay and watch more. This conversation, for example, is very interesting and great to watch in real time.
- Jason Mayoff
Tina: unfollowing people in friendfeed is stupid. Just put the lame ones onto a list.
- Robert Scoble
Since beta I've had lots of new subs - have you just reached critical mass, Robert, whereby everyone on FF is only a FOAF away from you?
- WoH: Minding her Botts
i'm thinking i'd use friendfeed more - if there was a killer mobile (ahem, iphone) app for it
- Cole Orton
Bwana: true, and that makes following people a lot less important. But it does give hyper connectors like me more power to get a lot of people involved in a conversation.
- Robert Scoble
Well hyper connectors is something Twitter has in spades :)
- Bwana ☠
Robert, lame or not that's what people are doing (and really, you're going to call someone else's choice lame just because it's not what you would do?). Lists are an option, filters are an option, and so is unsubscribing. So is doing nothing.
- FFing Enigma
WorldofHiglet: I still am getting new subs, but this isn't about me. I'm watching normal people's follower behavior.
- Robert Scoble
Tina: it's lame. It's also a free world, so I can call behavior lame. :-)
- Robert Scoble
This Sunday night conversation is brought to you by... Rackspace... And now, back to our program
- Bwana ☠
It's also interesting how a conversation like this goes hot and heavy for about two minutes and then just dies as it rolls off of everyone's pages and the numbers of comments gets too unweildy to navigate.
- Robert Scoble
Why follow a lot of people when FF search and filters are so powerful?
- Tom Landini
Cole: agree. Would love to see a killer iPhone app.
- Jason Mayoff
i also don't like that i have to scroll alllll the way up to click the comment link if/when i have all the comment fully expanded on a post that has, say, >10 comments.
- Cole Orton
Hey, I know: how 'bout we try to get over counting stuff?
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert: unfollowing people is "stupid"??
- Ken Kennedy
One word - twollo.com - that's why Twitter has higher follow rates
- Jesse Stay
Ken: humans love counting.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Lots of things humans love aren't good for them.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: yes. Just put the people you hate onto another list. That way you can watch and see if they get more value later.
- Robert Scoble
I don't know about the rest of you, but my stats on Twitter vs my stats here don't make a damned bit of difference to me. Here, I barely follow any stats beyond how many people like my posts and who they are. On Twitter, there seems to be this huge drive for getting bigger, better numbers of followers, how many tweets someone has posted, etc. Guess what? It's bullshit.
- Chris Charabaruk
Its a lot easier on Twitter to follow ppl ,its like the 1 click amazon patent :-)
- Johni Fisher
Tom: I think you are right there - if I was starting FF now I wouldn't necessarily follow the people I do now and use filters to find the stuff i want. Which would be awhole different experience.
- WoH: Minding her Botts
Chris: bingo, but on the other hand, it's a game that people like to play.
- Robert Scoble
Let me rephrase: users will look to you for how they think they're supposed to use the service. Calling a use choice lame is your way of directing their use. As for who gets followers: what's more useful, a couple hundred mildly interested follows just because Scoble mentioned you, or 10-20 really interested follows that found you via a search, filter, or FoaF?
- FFing Enigma
I enjoy FriendFeed a hell of a lot more than I do Twitter, simply because I don't have the drive to improve my stats. I can post whatever and expect real responses and discussions, not plain old resharing and quick-quip replies.
- Chris Charabaruk
I totally agree with Chris.
- Rafael
Funny, but I want to tweet about this discussion, but I can't find a link to it. (New to FF)
- Jason Mayoff
Tina: +1.
- Ken Kennedy
Tina: well, following me is lame too. :-) But unfollowing really is lame. It sends a message to those people that they aren't important anymore. Everyone is important.
- Robert Scoble
Jason: Click the timestamp under the entry
- Bwana ☠
If people are more concerned about how many people they follow, how many are following them, and how many things they're pushing out, they're missing out on the opportunity to really affect things. They're simply playing for the score, not for the game.
- Chris Charabaruk
Chris: Right. I'd rather have "low" stats and high interactivity rather than high numbers of people who I'm not particularly interested in.
- Michael McKean
Jason: the permalink is the time underneath the headline (timestamp). Or, this: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Wow!! I got real-time back on threads!! Yay!
- Bwana ☠
Thanks... odd place to put it.
- Jason Mayoff
Jason - that's where Twitter puts it as well :)
- Bwana ☠
It's quality vs quantity. FF = quality. Twitter = quantity.
- Brian
Jason: it is odd, but it is always there and you'll never forget it. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
What I fail to understand every time one of these conversations is brought up is why they are brought up at all. Comparing apples to oranges never results in any definitive result.
- JCunwired
What Bwana said - FoaF Also, I think twitter's 15 mins of fame is almost up IMHO
- BEX
It's a LOT easier to get followers on Twitter, whereas on FF it's like pulling teeth. The whole point of social media is to be social, and if users can't socialize quickly "out of the box", then they'll move on.
- Ryan Garns
who feel's these real-time posts are hard to follow?
- Cole Orton
Brian: the thing is my friendfeed is moving a lot faster than my Twitter and I'm following a lot fewer people here.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is follows the KISS method. Keep It Simple Stupid. For some, FriendFeed looks too complicated and they don't feel like spending that extra time to benefit from the true purpose of the network. Though I'm reassured that most people on here understand what FriendFeed has to offer over Twitter.
- Michael Forian
Wouldn't it be nice to have a keyboard shortcut for entering comments when threads get long and fast like this one?
- Tom Landini
jcunwired: I disagree. I learn something by doing comparisons to other services.
- Robert Scoble
Now, if it's NOT real-time--it feels lethargic.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
omg this conversation is moving so fckn fast! I just get a up to drink a coke and when I came back. OMG! Frind feed was exploded!
- Rafael
Cole: go here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... now scroll to the bottom of the page and just keep it there. VERY easy to follow.
- Robert Scoble
Cole: I like real-time. You catch what you catch. You miss what you miss.
- Jason Mayoff
Michael: FriendFeed doesn't look as complicated as it used to. Or at least the beta doesn't.
- Chris Charabaruk
I think Friendfeed feels like a content vacuum, I have no confidence whatsoever that I can get what I put in to it -- back out.
- Andrew Leahey
Jason: I find that if I miss something cool my filters catch it later.
- Robert Scoble
and if you miss it, oh well... ooh, look a penny
- Bwana ☠
I don't feel that way with twitter.
- Andrew Leahey
one big diff is the showing of following/subcriptions and followers/subcribers. Twitter showed it on the mainpage while ff show it on your profile page. in a way, twitter succeed when everyone is trying to win in the number game. but i feel ff is where real conversation can be held between more than one stranger across the world. and it can be more than 140 chars.
- Gerald Neo
andrew: you really need to look into filters. And read my blog from the other day.
- Robert Scoble
Andrew: do you mean being able to find your content within FF, or do you mean getting a return on the hours you're investing?
- FFing Enigma
Andrew: Try following even 250 people. I pretty much ignore half the stuff that goes by on Twitter these days because I can't follow it all.
- Chris Charabaruk
twitter's brand and uniform design are untouchable right now - not about features; twitter can develop them
- Andy Fox
scoble - that is easier to track. thanks.
- Cole Orton
I can find content so much easier on FriendFeed, it's scary
- Bwana ☠
The purpose of participating in twitter and the purpose of participating in friendfeed produce entirely different results, that's what I'm saying. I stay on friendfeed because I enjoy the conversations that others share about an individual's comment, shared item, etc. I use twitter to make me aware of the comment or share. Very different experience.
- JCunwired
Twitter search is like a hive now
- Bwana ☠
Scoble: I just discovered filters, I'll check out the blog post for sure.
- Andrew Leahey
Andrew: http://scobleizer.com/2009... this shows how much better friendfeed is for finding valuable stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter Search is about the only good thing left with Twitter.
- Chris Charabaruk
Thanks for the info sir.
- Andrew Leahey
It's not the quantity, it's the quality... That said, how many seriously deranged cyber-geeks are engaging in this conversation? FF is still too confusing for the average user.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
"FriendFeed Filters are the star of the beta" A brilliant guy wrote that.
- Bwana ☠
jcunwired: true, that's why I have a screen that is all about Tweetdeck.
- Robert Scoble
I think FF could have made the live pages like this could do well to have the newer comments on top instead of updating at the bottom
- Charles Rice
Chris: Twitter search is fine, but if you have search but no content then you've got nothing
- Jason Mayoff
Bwana - that too. In a sense, I use friendfeed as a source of bookmarks (knowledge). Twitter would not give me that.
- JCunwired
Vermonter: I'm only slightly deranged.
- Michael McKean
Only thing that scares me about FriendFeed is history. That area seems iffy.
- Bwana ☠
Vermonter: really? Facebook is more complicated than Twitter OR friendfeed and it has 10x the users of Twitter. MySpace is more complicated than that, and has 7x the users of Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Bwana: what do you mean by "history?
- Robert Scoble
We cant find on Twitter this kind of conversation as we do now live here
- Johni Fisher
Robert: Search history...how far back can I go?
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: all the way.
- Robert Scoble
Bwana: Twitter only goes back a few months.
- Robert Scoble
The quality of content is more important! I got more info from FF. The content from twitter in FF is just a little part!
- netvista
as I said, twitter is good for updates and curiosities, Friendfeed is good for conversations about interesting topics(or not). Frienfeed is the serious side of twitter
- Rafael
Robert: that wasn't always the case. Is this a recent change?
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: I can't find my Tweets from the Chinese Earthquake over on Twitter, for instance.
- Robert Scoble
What I like about FF is that I can sit here and have/watch this conversation without being distracted by thousands of other things going by.
- Michael McKean
Bwana: you can search for it, but you can't page back more than 300 items unfortunately (here on friendfeed).
- Robert Scoble
I'm a relative FF newbie and this discussion has sold me. I'm stayin'.
- Jason Mayoff
Bwana: the content has always been there on FF, available by search. The pagination that far back has been restricted though
- FFing Enigma
Jason: welcome!
- Robert Scoble
Nice to have you join us, Jason =)
- FFing Enigma
Yeah I have to say, this discussion has seriously changed my opinion on FF. Thanks Robert.
- Andrew Leahey
Jason - you've found the Holy Grail! :)
- JCunwired
@Robert... True.. Facebook is unwieldy, too. But mass usage has forced tolerance. Unwarranted tolerance perhaps. Hard to see how FF will gain traction unless users help make use of FF clearer.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Tina: echo! Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Welcome to the club, Jason!
- Chris Charabaruk
The Holy Grail indeed
- Jason Mayoff
Robert: that's what I mean.
- Bwana ☠
And that means I can't archive all of my FriendFeed data if I wanted
- Bwana ☠
You can't have a filtered real-time feed yet correct? That's the functionality I'm waiting for!
- Keith Barrett
Bwana: true. I hope they fix that. It's important for Track.
- Robert Scoble
Hence the "iffy" description. I'm hoping they fix that later.
- Bwana ☠
Keith: right. They promise that as a feature to come. We call that "Track."
- Robert Scoble
I think they should rename the "comments" on here. I'm not sure I'd call these comments. This is like a topic-driven chat.
- Andrew Leahey
Keith: I'd like to see that as well.
- Michael McKean
Bwana: but at least the data is there. It is NOT there on Twitter. Horrid.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: How do you sort of...back up your tweets? FF?
- Andrew Leahey
andrew: yes. But it is searchable. And you can come back and add onto it forever.
- Robert Scoble
You mean there's no record of all that's gone on on Twitter?
- Jason Mayoff
andrew: I don't.
- Robert Scoble
Andrew: it's both, depending on the topic at hand. If you play with the DM feature to a group of people, it's definitely like a chat.
- FFing Enigma
Jason: try to find my Chinese earthquake tweets. I tried and I can't get to them.
- Robert Scoble
Jason: they might be in a database somewhere, but you can't search on anything older than about August of last year, if I remember right.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook/Friendfeed are also very different. Our real life friends and our social networking friends are entirely different audiences. What FF brings is a different perspective - the opportunity to share with those who might not agree with us, who might teach us something that we wouldn't learn from our circle of RL friends. Invaluable, incalculable.
- JCunwired
I'm not even going to bother expanding all the comments. I'm just going to assume Scoble said something along the lines of "Easy access to cat pictures, babby pictures, my brother, FFundercats, Leather Donut"
- Mike Nayyar
Robert: where do you find the permalink to this thread?
- Tom Landini
At any rate, since the beta, Twitter has seen less of me.
- Bwana ☠
Tom: on the date under the topic that started this.
- Robert Scoble
I'll get this one. The date. CLick the date
- Jason Mayoff
And if the beta improves, it may get worse for Twitter in my world.
- Bwana ☠
That's what I'm talking about! Look how the conversation change the focus. Now we have another interesting things being discussed here... Thats awsome right?
- Rafael
Tom - click on the timestamp
- JCunwired
To get back on topic a little... it would be really cool if when you clicked a white chat bubble on the left if it turned to blue and you were following them... like a toggle button. Do you think that would lower the barrier too much? like people digging stories they havent read.
- Frankie Warren
Yes, I just went and searched http://search.twitter.com for any tweet last June that mentioned "earthquake." None appeared. FAIL.
- Robert Scoble
So just out of curiosity, what is the page within FF that you spend most of your time browsing/following? Filters? An individual post like this?
- Andrew Leahey
Frankie: I would LOVE that.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, very curious about your theory that prompted this post.
- JCunwired
Thanks: the permalink page puts a comment box under all the comments so it's easy to enter stuff.
- Tom Landini
Here's the thing. I'm a fairly sophisticated user. But I don't have any idea how to follow this thread, or why I even got here. Or how to follow (I'm don't text. Web only.) I think that presents a challenge for FF adoption. I've been wrong before.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Frankie: If you hover over someone's name next to their comment you can subscribe from right there.
- FFing Enigma
andrew: me? I skip around my filters when my lists slow down (in real-time)
- Bwana ☠
I don't stay in one place very long
- Bwana ☠
unless it's a juicy thread like this one
- Bwana ☠
Andrew: I have five friendfeed screens open at most times. Home screen. Tech list. A window like this one. And a filter or two or something else I'm tracking.
- Robert Scoble
I'm a speed reader. I love these fast-paced conversations :)
- JCunwired
Hmm, interesting. I'm just trying to get a handle on how people who have found FF really integral, use it.
- Andrew Leahey
Tina: yes, but then it refreshes the page.
- Robert Scoble
Good deal.
- Andrew Leahey
Once Internet users have decided to play the microblogging game, they're ready to adopt one microblogging tool, and only one (forget the geeks). Then, if their intention is to notify friends about their actions and thoughts, they'll take Twitter. Because even CNN may follow them there ;) If their goal is to discuss and discover stuff, they'll take the plunge with FF. Unfortunately, 98% of those users want only to notify and be sure their notification won't get lost in a "content vaccum" (andrew's words).
- Jérôme
kilbuda: the comment box is static on the bottom if you navigate to the thread: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Bwana ☠
That's an area FriendFeed has to fix
- Bwana ☠
Vermonter: new friendfeed UI makes it very possible to follow. Visit here, scroll to the bottom, and watch! http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
It's not about friendfeed anymore (unless something radical happens) - facebook is the hulk (no pun intended) in the room
- Antonio Altamirano
Heh.. they really need to make the permalink more noticeable. :)
- Michael McKean
Facebook is boring to me...
- Bwana ☠
Funny someone mentioned searchability. I just discovered the limitations of that on Twitter this morning. When I can't look back past thrity days without having to learn how to use the API...and that really irritates me.
- George Hall (Australia)
You can use the friendfeed sidebar too... its very easy to follow!
- Rafael
Bwana: I wish they would make it so new comments appear at top.
- Robert Scoble
185 comments here are just fine - no way I can follow a conversation of 185 tweets.
- Bora Zivkovic
Bora: I do. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Did you know FF copied Twitter's permalink format? ;)
- Jérôme
Bora: you've got to get in when it starts.
- Jason Mayoff
tina: thanks! haha i just tried it on you :)
- Frankie Warren
Antonio - I disagree. Mudane conversations and thoughts are all I get from FB, FF adds a new dimension to what the mind can absorb.
- JCunwired
I learn here. I rarely learn anything at Facebook.
- Kevin Gamble
YEP, new comments definantely need to feed in from the top for me, too.
- CLC Radio
I use Friendfeed alerts, and I can tell when these conversations get too noisy, which is now!
- Francine Hardaway
Actually I find that th most useful thing about Twitter search is that the results include private and deleted tweets :)
- Keith Barrett
hehe Francine
- JCunwired
lol Keith
- Bwana ☠
don't get me started on that
- Bwana ☠
Anyway, who was asking about my theory?
- Robert Scoble
me
- JCunwired
Did you know that if you re-click the permalink from the permalink, you get a pretty simple window?
- Jérôme
Francine: get onto real time and give up on alerts. Alerts are old school. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
I think the idea behind having comments appear at the bottom rather than the top is because somebody's under the (perhaps naive) impression people actually read everything other folks wrote before they comment themselves :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
agree
- atanas
jcunwired, what would you like to know? My theory is that people on Twitter follow a lot more. Mostly because it's a lot easier to follow, but also because everyone knows how many followers everyone else has (it's on their main UI).
- Robert Scoble
Ken - good point. Case study: Youtube
- Bwana ☠
Ken - New comments appear at the top and no one reads the history
- Bwana ☠
I would like to be able to comment on a comment. I'm into real time, but sometimes I like to follow FF out of the corner of my eye and not focus on this conversation. I multitask
- Francine Hardaway
here you can find a way to follow these conversations right in your firefox sidebar: http://userstyles.org/styles...
- Rafael
Alerts? Is that like a fax?
- Phil Maxwell
Ken: i click the comment button before i read the thread so its waiting for me at the bottom :)
- Frankie Warren
Robert - someone already brought that up. Twitter is a popularity contest.
- JCunwired
@Robert Thanks for the FF beta tip.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Robert; thanks. And I second the request to have an option to display comments at the top of a real-time display, however I think that for older, inactive postings I'd prefer to read the comments in order.
- Keith Barrett
Francine: I multitask too. I just run five screens. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I submit the follower game can ruin the quality of the network
- Bwana ☠
Agreed, Bwana.
- FFing Enigma
The topic we talk about is not popular entry in "Best of Day", no real time statistics?
- netvista
+100 Bwana
- JCunwired
Oh, I like the pop-up window. I didn't realize that Friendfeed can do that.
- Robert Scoble
I really hope FF never threads/indents comment. An entry's a nice unit of conversation. If something needs it's own branch, just start another entry.
- Ken Sheppardson
FriendFeed is just too much for the typical user. First you have to "get it". On Twitter there's not much to "get". You put some words in the box and hit send.
- Eric Florenzano
netvista: good point. That's a bug. We should start a spreadsheet for the friendfeed team of things that are bugs.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Pop-up windows?
- Rafael
Robert: How?
- Rafael
Well Robert a new thing in your theory
- Bwana ☠
I've gotten 3 new followers from this thread
- Bwana ☠
Rafael. Click here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Eric: there are people who use FF exactly the same way, they type some words and update it, leave it at that
- FFing Enigma
interesting
- Bwana ☠
Rafael, sorry that's wrong.
- Robert Scoble
I wonder if Twitter users get new followers from a conversation
- Bwana ☠
Robert - yeah i realized right now
- Rafael
Eric - that is very true. There is a learning curve to FriendFeed that does not give the instant satisfaction of Twitter.
- JCunwired
Rafael: from your feed click the timestamp of a post. On the resulting page, click the timestamp again, and you'll get the pop out window
- FFing Enigma
Rafael, click here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... Then click on the timestamp again.
- Robert Scoble
Sweet! Thanks Robert!
- Phil Glockner
Robert: Thank you so much!
- Rafael
Robert: echo =)
- FFing Enigma
jcunwired: friendfeed is a Formula Race Car. It takes a while to learn to drive, but when you do it does a lot of stuff a Prius can't.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Sweet find. Thanks for pointing that out.
- Brian
me too
- Rafael
I saw brett do that in you video robert and was curious how it worked :)
- Frankie Warren
... and no reverse gear ;)
- Phil Glockner
Pop out window is cool.
- Tom Landini
oh and it leaves the comment open at the bottom! epic.
- Frankie Warren
Speaking of which, I gotta plug in, my battery is low :)
- JCunwired
Frankie: I missed a lot of stuff that Bret showed us because I was trying to keep the camera focused. Did you like the videos?
- Robert Scoble
now i can browse and keep lookin to the pop-up without losing any comment
- Rafael
Yeah love the popout window. Wanted to hug Ben when I saw him post it
- Bwana ☠
I'm still learning how to be a power user of friendfeed. I haven't memorized the keyboard commands yet.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Just watched the vids now. Rly interesting stuff, thx for putting them up. Sometimes was hard to understand questions from the audience, though...
- Christoph Studer
Ben: Its better you run... everybody wants to hug you ;)
- Rafael
Any one got new follows from this conversation?
- netvista
Robert: i loved the video!! seriously its very difficult to figure out how to use friendfeed at first effectively. seeing best practices from power users helped a lot
- Frankie Warren
I have netvista
- Bwana ☠
I still prefer tabs over popup unless I have multiple monitors active
- JCunwired
A popout of a tracked real-time feed would be the best!
- Keith Barrett
I think its cause Bwana is an awesome name though ;)
- Frankie Warren
I bought a 24 inch monitor just to use Friendfeed on.
- Robert Scoble
heh Frankie
- Bwana ☠
FF should do something like Gmail chat.
- Christoph Studer
Keith - you are right... but you can have a Firefox sidebar you know?
- Rafael
Now the balance has shifted back to FF
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Christoph: the realtime combined with the DM capablity makes it a lot like Gmail chat, actually.
- FFing Enigma
Watch multiple conversations in pop up windows
- Christoph Studer
netvista3987 - How would you know?
- Phil Maxwell
hmm, there's an idea - having interesting realtime conversations like this in sidebar
- JCunwired
Christoph: yeah, it really rocks using the popups.
- Robert Scoble
Exactly, jcunwired.
- FFing Enigma
Christoph: current features are largely sufficient
- Jérôme
I want to dock good conversations on my blog.
- Robert Scoble
Wow, I've put that read through a text-to-speech app, makes it even more productive right now, This could make a little booklet from it. The new forum post experience.
- Zu from AOD
Interesting search/filter, at least 100 comments and -friends:username. Interesting FF'rs you've missed.
- Andrew Leahey
Robert: I f you use Firefox, try to use this sidebar, easily bookmark you realtime page to bookmarks bar and in properties choose to open with the sidebar : http://userstyles.org/styles...
- Rafael
want a sidebar-like window? http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... (I'm in Chrome, can't do it)
- Jérôme
Maybe have the "pop outs" integrated into the main window instead of new browser windows. Would make it easier for me to track multiple discussions from one spot.
- Christoph Studer
is there no RSS for comments?
- Phil Maxwell
This format kinda makes the comment count they used to have meaningless now... theres a big difference between one well thought out comment and just chatting in the pop out.
- Frankie Warren
Phil Maxwell: because i subscribe someone here for this conversation! haha
- netvista
Frankie: Agree
- Christoph Studer
Phil: you can subscribe to someone's comments and there should be an rss for that feed
- FFing Enigma
Rafael I did, but I also like popouts, plus firefox doesn't run on my phone and I suspect I can just plug this URL into a browser.
- Keith Barrett
Frankie: I agree. I wish I could see how many items I have commented on, not how many comments I've seen.
- Robert Scoble
Doesn't look to be an RSS for a single comment but yes a personal feed Tina
- The Real sofarsoShawn
what about comments for an individual post?:
- Phil Maxwell
I'm glad they added that. I love being to able to subscribe to someone's likes and not their comments and/or posts
- Bwana ☠
Frankie: Right. I wouldn't even call these "comments".
- Michael McKean
Phil: unfortunately, no
- FFing Enigma
Bwana: agreed (again). Haven't delved in using it yet but I think it's an interesting option.
- FFing Enigma
Keith: Uhm I understand you. maybe when Mozilla launch the mobile Firefox you will be able to do that!
- Rafael
How can I measure my self worth if no one follows me.
- Demian Vonder Kuhlen
from Nambu
Anyway, Twitter brings me interesting content, but FriendFeed is true brain candy. I'll never get this level of conversation or knowledge from twitter.
- JCunwired
Michael: the engagement of friendfeed has gone WAY up in new friendfeed due to the real time comments.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe "comment counts" should be more like "like counts". One comment per discussion and user.
- Christoph Studer
I like pronouncing the name Bwana out loud: it's fun: Bwwannna. Heeehehhee
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Demian: I'll follow you.
- Robert Scoble
O_o
- Bwana ☠
Yeah, these are much less "comments" and more just sorta empty "yeah me too, lol" style stuff. Like, you know... tweets.
- Ken Sheppardson
Demian: life's hard sometimes :)
- Phil Maxwell
You know; it's too bad I can't just click a comment speak bubble image and have it automatically format it as a comment response by filling in the name)
- Keith Barrett
Wow.. I never noticed that you can subscribe to comments and likes!
- Michael McKean
I think you're looking at this wrong Robert. The big difference with FF is Friend of a Friend. I use *you* to bring me other people. I trust you to *filter* it for me. After a while I might add someone who continually pops up in my feed via your FOAF, but why subscribe right off the bat. The context between Twitter and FriendFeed is different. It's not about quantity and reaching follower numbers, it's about quality and interaction.
- AJ Kohn
AJ: good point, but that gives me a lot more power than I have over on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Sorry Bwana, it's just one of those things: I'm weird
- The Real sofarsoShawn
FriendFeed is great for deep threaded conversation ... but Twitter generates so much more exposure.
- Brandon
can you imagine this conversation on Twitter... I mean really.
- Bwana ☠
AJ: I don't mind the power, though, cause I'm an egotistical bbaaahhhssstttaaarrrddd. Just ask my brother. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: It's not necessarily a bad thing to have "hubs" with power, is it? You have them in real life, too.
- Christoph Studer
Exposure? or false Hype?
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Anyone using the sidebar script for Firefox?
- Andrew Leahey
Christoph: true, I'm not sure it's a bad thing. It's a good thing as long as I behave. If I start being an asshole, then it's a bad thing.
- Robert Scoble
Bwana, I reach for the advil just thinking about it :)
- JCunwired
Scoble's a power hungry Green Hulkster
- The Real sofarsoShawn
sofarsoshawn: What's the difference? :)
- Michael McKean
Robert: i agree with that... with out an install base its really hard for comments to get noticed in the real time feed unless you have a bunch of people keeping your stuff at the top.
- Frankie Warren
The point is Twitter is a hype! Appear in all big corporations and tv programs... twitter has big popularity... friend feed is a shy guy at the moment
- Rafael
Christoph: power corrupts eventually, though.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: And people will start treating you as one, i.e. unsubscribe. :-)
- Christoph Studer
Christoph: you nailed the force that will keep me from becoming too much of an asshole. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Power corrupts only certain individuals. I haven't seen you exhibit those traits yet Robert :)
- JCunwired
Robert: That's way you say unsubscribing is "lame", haha.
- Christoph Studer
@Robert: Well, I've given you that power and everyone else I subscribe to. Should you fail to be a good filter, I'll drop you like a hot potato :) So who really has the power? That's why FF will win IMO because it creates a far better mechanism for authority and trust. But ONLY if you're selective with whom you subscribe.
- AJ Kohn
Christoph: yes, I have a bias there. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Oh! I just noticed that if you press "enter" once in the search box, you get the advanced search page. A kind of little feature you'll never find on Twitter ;)
- Jérôme
Robert: One of the biggest differences is that: Friendfeed doesnt have ads and bullshits.. Twitter its a treasure for ads.
- Rafael
Jerome - just press the search button, you get te same thing
- JCunwired
Rafael: friendfeed has decentralized moderation. That's a KILLER feature the rest of the world will discover in about 18 months.
- Robert Scoble
@ Mckean Hype vs. Exposure: Hype I'd say is exaggerated publicity hoopla if you will. Empty. Whereas exposure is public focus but what matters more so here is that Twitter can't function to the same quality as Friendfeed now can
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Chris Charabaruk: Yeah, but did the beta get any major media attention? Nope. None what so ever. And that's sad. It seems like people are purposely ignoring everything "FriendFeed" and it isn't right. I think the world is big enough for two cool and active social networking sites (or more), yes?
- Michael Forian
Rafael: friendfeed will prove to be more resistant than other social networks to spam and assholes because of decentralized moderation. It's one reason why I love it so much.
- Robert Scoble
jcunwired, even Google doesn't have this function
- Jérôme
people go where the identities/profiles/people/contacts are; right now, when it comes to non-permission blogging, thats Twitter. Its not about features. You can speculate as to why Twitter has the people, but thats just academic. They have the people and they win....features can come...it doesnt matter, does it?
- Andy Fox
Don't give him power. You wouldn't like Robert when he's omnipotent :)
- Keith Barrett
Michael: friendfeed is in Financial Times tomorrow.
- Robert Scoble
decentralized moderation? Does that mean if someone offends me and I block them, their comments won't show up for me anywhere?
- Phil Maxwell
Robert: what do you mean by decentralized moderation?
- Frankie Warren
Sometimes I wondef if FriendFeed would have taken off if the founders weren't ex-Googlers
- Bwana ☠
I really want feature of FF is : What's hot on FF right now?
- netvista
Robert: How many FT readers want bacon with their tea? :D
- Jérôme
Phil: exactly. Frankie, decentralized moderation means I can delete you in my items and you can delete me in yours. As long as we keep adding value to each other's lives we'll not delete. But, let's say you were a spammer. Bye bye!
- Robert Scoble
Frankie - we (you) moderate, not an administrator.
- JCunwired
Ok, I definitely do dig the pop out window for an indivdual post/conversation.
- Ken Kennedy
Bwana: How does the ex-Googler's factor in?
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Robert: We have to create a strong community in friend feed and hoping that we could separate the bullshit and ads from the interesting topics, in a way we could keep the good of friendfeed.
- Rafael
decentralized moderation = crowdblocking. It takes only a few comments for a spammer to get blocked by many and that then trips internal FF daemons.
- AJ Kohn
Robert: interesting
- Phil Maxwell
netvista: that's called a filter. I have a filter that shows all items written by anybody but that have at least one "like." That's what's hot right now.
- Robert Scoble
netvista3987: make you're own filter http://beta.friendfeed.com/search...
- Jérôme
Rafael - we have, we do - the developers have. What we see Twitter becoming will never happen here because we have all the power.
- JCunwired
netvista3987: you can even exclude your friends (add -friends:netvista3987), exclude items you've already liked and commented (use the minus operator again).
- Jérôme
sofarsoshawn: friendfeed was started by four superstars from Google. HOw does that factor in? It's been down one hour in past year. Search is freaking fast. It has an ugly, but workable UI. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Being reminded so much of Gmail chat I'd like to see who's currently typing into the comments field. :-)
- Christoph Studer
Well, regardless of my hesitancy, this is the first engaging convo on FF I've engaged. And though I had seen the beta briefly, I hadn't taken the time to really understand it. And this has inspired me to flesh out my FF profile. FF anti-fail all around.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Currently listening to Berlin "No More Words" on Shoutcast right now...interesting.
- Christopher Knopick
jcunwired: May the force be with you!
- Rafael
Flipo: thanks. it's great. I already add this filter.
- netvista
Christoph Studer: like emoticons?
- Jérôme
Vermonter: wait until this is used by a conference for a back channel. Leo Laporte was using it on Gillmor Gang and TWiT this weekend and got 1000 comments each.
- Robert Scoble
Here in Brazil Twitter started to get lost by people who dont know what to do with a simple question. thanksfully friendfeed will not get popularity here in brazil
- Rafael
Pressing enter twice on a search box... clicking a feed then clicking the tim to get a popout...directly referencing "/friends" in a URL I do sense a need for some documentation on how to engage the cool features.
- Keith Barrett
Rafael: don't be so sure.
- Robert Scoble
@Scoble I was referring to Bwana's earlier comment that it was more a hindrance then beneficial and was wondering how that could be so
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Jerome: I was kind of kidding...but one could do this with small avatars of people typing. Or just a list of names.
- Christoph Studer
Am now watching FF real time in my sidebar. NoNo more alerts.
- Francine Hardaway
Leo's use of it is what makes me think this is going to work. They're onto something here.
- Jesse Stay
Keith: I'll do another video when I figure them all out.
- Robert Scoble
Gillmor Gang comments were the greatest. The level of sophistication skyrockets when the community is one of your choosing (more or less).
- JCunwired
Keith - keep in mind most of these new features are in beta.. I can forgive no documentation in beta
- Phil Glockner
Francine: welcome to the future.
- Robert Scoble
Keith: Yes, better documentation would be nice! Although it's kinda fun to figure these things out.
- Michael McKean
Robert: It's only a question of friendfeed do not support other languages
- Rafael
That's a compliment: we're sophisticated, wait till I post more lolcats
- The Real sofarsoShawn
I never said that.
- Bwana ☠
Oh I'm not complaining at all! I'm trying to help..
- Keith Barrett
Alex - when main street gets it, there goes sophistication :)
- JCunwired
Rafael: friendfeed does support lots of languages. But I need filters. I want to see ONLY Farsi comments, for instance. I can't do that.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: At one time computers were too sophisticated for most people.
- Michael McKean
@Alex I didn't get it really until tonight. Not sure I do yet, but I'm getting there. Maybe others will too.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Alex: I disagree. The mainstreet is on Facebook, which is far more complex than either this or Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I understand you
- Rafael
Alex: if humans see utility in learning complexity, they will.
- Robert Scoble
People didn't get AOL. They didn't get blogs. They didn't get eCommerce.
- AJ Kohn
FF is a lot easier to jump into than FB, IMO.
- Michael McKean
They still don't
- Bwana ☠
:)
- Bwana ☠
My wife speaks Farsi and I'd love to be able to have her see only Farsi items here. I can't filter by language. Yet. They have that on their feature lists to build out.
- Robert Scoble
I don't keep close tabs on my follower levels, but I've noticed my Twitter followers have gone up, and my Friendfeed followers have gone down too.
- Ian May
more or less yes: "Sometimes I wondef if FriendFeed would have taken off if the founders weren't ex-Googlers" - Bwana
- The Real sofarsoShawn
I'm waiting for the service that will automatically translate anything typed into the viewers chosen language without the need to manually translate individual lines
- Tony Miller
Alex: four years ago you would have said the same thing about Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I was hoping for a language filter as well.
- Michael McKean
Robert: but you can see... Facebook here in brazil its almost like Orkut for Americans... few people use it. But Orkut here is something like OMG you dont have an orkut account? you are a jerk! Got it?
- Rafael
Robert: where'd she pick that up? Nuts!
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Tony we have done that in our chat for our online experiences using Googles Translate APi
- Tony
Tony: Picasa has it on comments. Would be great to have the same system for FF.
- Christoph Studer
FF = Community - Twitter =
- bcultral
sofarsoshawn: the fact that friendfeed was started by four superstars from Google is a major reason why I use it.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert: Filter for certain foreign characters would get you pretty far, no?
- AJ Kohn
Shawn: you assume I believe they haven't taken off... and they have
- Bwana ☠
you're the only one who thought that.
- Bwana ☠
most of the people on facebook don't know how to use 1/4 of the features, but they understand they have a profile and people write messages to it and that's enough to get them started.
- Phil Maxwell
@tonysteward cool :)
- Tony Miller
sofarsoshawn: I have NOT been disappointed in that. This service has ALWAYS been 1. Up. 2. Fast. Others? No.
- Robert Scoble
it detects the browser language and then when they chat it auto translates
- Tony
client side
- Tony
No, Bwana: if you read your statement you are the one who distinctly wondered
- The Real sofarsoShawn
sofarsoshawn: my wife was born in Tehran.
- Robert Scoble
sofarsoshawn: FF doesn't need users do develop the service (they have the money and the geniuses). So, in some way, they don't need the Google's buzz to make the killer app that Scoble and others would recommend because it rocks and not because of their authors.
- Jérôme
Sigh, go repeat my name or something :) I know what I said
- Bwana ☠
I am probably the only person in my 200+ list of friends that actually KNOWS how to set FB security features so that I can control what groups of friends (or the public) can see what items and apps.
- Keith Barrett
I know what you said too read your earlier post dude, I'll go say your name :)
- The Real sofarsoShawn
I'll be right back. Heheh. Yes, friendfeed has turned into chat!
- Robert Scoble
I guess most of us only get what we think others will get too. FF beta makes the possibility of others getting it seem clearer than it did to me before.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Keith: Thats normal! the majority uses facebook just to watch other people lifes
- Rafael
The product lifecycle of gmail should be an indication of the long term approach I believe FF will take.
- AJ Kohn
Oh my... he just did a brb!
- Michael McKean
I wonder if FriendFeed would have taken off if the founders weren't ex-Googlers. <-- Read again. if the founders weren't ex-googlers, would FriendFeed have taken off... maybe if I reverse, you'll understand.
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: does it really matter?
- Phil Maxwell
The amount of content that FriendFeed real-time commenting is going to generate is MASSIVE. Hope they have a good file system and DB setup!
- Keith Barrett
I don't like being misquoted
- Bwana ☠
Like I said
- The Real sofarsoShawn
I want it to be clear
- Bwana ☠
Vermonter - did you just start with friendfeed? Aside from a few features, most notably realtime feed, its pretty much the same.
- JCunwired
Keith: And lightweight connection handling.
- Christoph Studer
Oh wait, no, I get it you used a double negative, making it a positive, so yes Bwana your're correct, but bad grammar
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Chris, an even better question
- Bwana ☠
hehe Chris
- JCunwired
++sofarsoshawn
- Zu from AOD
@jcunwired just the learning curve of a thus far somewhat disinterested FF user, I guess.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Chris: lol
- Jérôme
a double negative? LOL
- Bwana ☠
my give up.
- Bwana ☠
High five! me too
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Vermonter, search google for friendfeed filters. A few bloggers - bwana, Louis Gray, Scobleizer have some vvery good tips for controlling the noise so that you only see what you want to see. It helps a lot.
- JCunwired
AJ Kohn: I love comparing Hotmail/Twitter with Hotmail/Gmail. It's a matter of time before the best overpass the most popular.
- Jérôme
The conversation has strayed a bit, I think :)
- Michael McKean
Alex: For sure. we just need to work for a better future for friendfeed...keepin it healthy
- Rafael
My problem is that I don't know what I don't want to see :))
- JCunwired
Hehe, always a tough choice. Discerning is key.
- Zu from AOD
There's a room too for filters, as well a list here http://beta.friendfeed.com/fffilte... as they are compiled
- The Real sofarsoShawn
There's a filters group.
- Michael McKean
oops, make that a big B Bwana :)
- JCunwired
I heard on Leo's show yesterday a good quote, about why having a too strong community (in FF) may be an obstacle for its success (I remember the word "insular")
- Jérôme
Thanks for the conversation all. Enlightening. And my fellow Vermonter is free from pirates, too. I'll sleep well tonight.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Omg, now I can breathe a little, this conversation is slowing down
- Rafael
yeah, be careful of those double negatives in the blog post
- Bwana ☠
they'll getcha
- Bwana ☠
It's amazing, I wonder how long a thread we could go. You just say a word, it creates ripples and we define an area around a topic. Like a tree or something. That's something that is appreciable and important in that experiment we enjoy here.
- Zu from AOD
Jerome - I haven't heard this week's TWIT, but I say poppycock :) Its a social networking site, there are tons of communities. You choose what you want, and filter/dismiss the rest
- JCunwired
well done boys and girls...I'm going to bed! Excellent conversation! Good night to everyone! Good night Robert!
- Rafael
The 'strong community' is what makes it worth staying. There is no sense of community in twitter, just a bunch of people blindly following other people
- JCunwired
Robert: why subscribe to someone who only pipes twitter into friendfeed? and another thought: maybe the average twitterer mindlessly follows and the average friendfeeder is more interested in the quality of their subscriptions
- Chris Heath
This is epic: I have to take my leave as well. 'Night All!
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Hearing all your names and comments made it very different to me. I was making coffee, reaching and being able to make it through when it was around 100 comments one very demanding but so enriching real all-way discussion.
- Zu from AOD
jcunwired: sure, I love the community(ies). The problem is for FF newbies: they don't feel comfortable and prefer Twitter where discussions are less loud.
- Jérôme
\0_ sofarsoshawn
- Zu from AOD
Jerome - exactly. That is the one detriment to FF and why the masses have not shown up
- JCunwired
Hey Bwana, if you're still here, looking forward to your next appearance on TWiT. Always a great addition.
- Andrew Leahey
@jcunwired not so in Burlington, VT #btv is a growing and connected group of Twitter users. Can't vouch for other local communities.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Thanks andrew, always a fun event
- Bwana ☠
10 followers from this convo... that's a record
- Bwana ☠
Whoever it was who pointed out how many comments. I don't look at these things as comments. They're just parts of a very large discussion.
- Jason Mayoff
Bwana: Not what we're counting ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
jcunwired: I follow a lot of astronomy people on Twitter and we're all pretty well connected with each other. I imagine it's the same with other like-minded people.
- Michael McKean
Michael - have you explored the rooms here on Friendfeed?
- JCunwired
Jerome - Well, you can still just like lolcatz pictures and just follow the guy for that. I think there's more details here that makes it interesting. I use twitter when I don't have time to reach deep now and need a summary of past events (not a mobile user for that). Here I jump in, make investigations, keep the stuff I like for future reference, one thing I'm not too into with twitter.
- Zu from AOD
Ken - Well Robert's got me zoomed in on it now... I never paid attention to where I get FF followers from
- Bwana ☠
Michael - consider bringing some of your friends over here
- JCunwired
But I can't remember the last time I had 10 in my inbox so fast
- Bwana ☠
Bwana, I havent looked at followers in months, now I'm curious too
- JCunwired
dammit :)
- JCunwired
Blame scoble
- Bwana ☠
Hey you know, where is the link to rooms in the beta ui?
- Andrew Leahey
hehe
- JCunwired
jcunwired:Yeah, and I see what you're saying. It's not as "tight" on Twitter.
- Michael McKean
What we really need are those little presidential debate real-time opinion poll lines so we can see in real time whether people agree or disagree with what we're saying.
- Ken Sheppardson
Bwana - I haven't gotten a new FF follower in a dog's age, but I mostly blamed my own light usage.
- Phil Glockner
Hehehe, when you reach the 'Ultimate Comment' connection, that's it, Bwana is the name. ;p
- Zu from AOD
Michael - the cool thing about a group of people with specific interests is that you can aggregate content from multiple sources so that your community can absorb them - google reader, social bookmarking, youtube, flickr, blogs...
- JCunwired
Bwana: you wrrean interesting contributor to thisconvo and want hear what else you have to say.
- Jason Mayoff
Phil - that's true. I guess subscriptions increase with participation
- Bwana ☠
On Twitter it's more like a bunch of people who just happen to be following the same people.
- Michael McKean
hi, is there some collections of interesting filter setting i can use? i think FF should allow people sharing their filters.
- netvista
I think the thing with FriendFeed vs twitter is that on Twitter, the more people you follow, the more content you get. On FriendFeed, it's related to how active the people you follow are. You don't have to follow a lot of people with FoaF.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Did anyone even bring up ffholic.com? I guess I should scroll up.. brb
- Bwana ☠
intelligent participation - or FFundercats, whatever floats your boat :)
- JCunwired
this might take a while
- Bwana ☠
I want a timestamp of the last activity on FF profiles. I was wondering where Scoble could be right now (instead of participating to this discussion). Just beside the "About 15 posts per day", there could be a "2 min since the last like/comment/FF post". That could also encourage users' activity.
- Jérôme
jcunwired: Right, and you can discuss them in a more controlled manner.
- Michael McKean
Man. This is not easy to do on an iPod touch
- Jason Mayoff
nobody brought it up yet, Bwana.. chrome search worked well in this window :)
- Phil Glockner
nope, no one brought up ffholic.com - which brings the follower/count game to FriendFeed
- Bwana ☠
andrew: click on Subscriptions, down at the bottom. They are called Groups now.
- Tony Miller
Jérôme: agreed
- Phil Maxwell
Firefox search says you're the only one
- JCunwired
Jerome: timestamps for comments too would be nice too
- Chris Heath
Ironic how Arrington is 3rd most popular user :)
- Bwana ☠
Chris, you can see timestamp by hovering over the quote symbol in left margin
- JCunwired
Chris: Hover over the bubble on the left.
- Michael McKean
Thanks Tony!
- Andrew Leahey
glad to help.
- Tony Miller
So twhirl for friendfeed, totally useless, right?
- Andrew Leahey
the timestamps work except for the most recent comments of an active post...they all say 1 second, 0 seconds, etc
- Phil Maxwell
Excellent FF tips that aren't readily apparent are surfacing in this thread.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
thanks for the responses on the timestamp comments ppl
- Chris Heath
I haven't found a FriendFeed client that rivals the web browser experience yet.
- Bwana ☠
I was messing around with AlertThingy all this time, I think thats why I didn't grasp the attraction.
- Andrew Leahey
This is a totally unmanageable thread. Most of the information here is lost and unfathomable. If there every was an argument for some sort of comments management (threaded or otherwise) this is it.
- Brian Sullivan
me either bwana, the iphone webapp is pretty good, i heard the beta iphone webapp kills the battery life though
- Chris Heath
andrew - with friendfeed, even though the api is great the web interface evolves faster than most developers can keep up with.. several microblogging clients have already given up on the challenge.
- Phil Glockner
why don't my ff posts copy to twitter anymore? i didn't change any settings
- Basenet InterMedia
Rob: what would you think of the ability to digg comment by clicking on their icon, so that you can sort the discussion by "most liked comment" and get all the best juice of this thread in just few seconds?
- Jérôme
Bwana: I don't really see the need for a client. The web interface works very well.
- Michael McKean
Phil: Good point, maybe when FF itself kind of stabilizes and settles somewhere, clients will start coming out that rival the experience?
- Andrew Leahey
afterdark, you may need to disable and reenable, they're still there
- JCunwired
Michael: Bwana was just replying to me asking if twhirl was worthwhile.
- Andrew Leahey
afterDARK, you're the second person i've heard say that today submit a bug http://friendfeed.com/about...
- Chris Heath
That's probably another reason why Twitter is so much more popular - smartphone clients
- JCunwired
I think the real value for 3rd parties are going to be things that work with the API in ways that the web interface doesn't already do. Like FFholic, for example.
- Phil Glockner
What I'd like out of a "client" could probably be accomplished with some sort of wrapper that managed a frameset that included embedable views ala http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Ken Sheppardson
Following somebody on Twitter is very light, and usually fake. Following on FriendFeed is an investment.
- Louis Gray
Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr Louis Gray *plays piano*
- Bwana ☠
jerome: likable comments would rock... then you could have the most liked comments in a thread... or within some constraint... even the most popular of the day
- Chris Heath
Thanks, i will submit a bug report
- Basenet InterMedia
Hi Louis!
- Jérôme
+100 Louis, well put
- JCunwired
@Scoble K, so Im lost how is this in Twitter's favor now?
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Louis, kind of like what i was saying way above, friendfeeders are probably a bit more discerning in who they follow as well
- Chris Heath
ah, this is the first I've seen of FFholic
- Phil Maxwell
hehe Shawn, that's what I want to know - I want to hear Robert's theory
- JCunwired
If you can fill all your available inbound bandwidth by following 100 people, why would you follow 1000?
- Ken Sheppardson
So perhaps the Twitter follower count will retain the vanity, and FF will be more about what /you/ get out of it. Rather than Twitter, which is about all the who's getting something from you.
- Andrew Leahey
I think Scoble said it best, it's a game.
- Bwana ☠
@kshep, yeah once i'm into a discussion on friendfeed i like to use that embed view ... much cleaner imho
- Chris Heath
A game that ruins networks IMHO
- Bwana ☠
Ken - you never know what you don't know :)
- JCunwired
when you follow for sheer numbers I mean </clarification>
- Bwana ☠
Yeah, if your network is "everyone" is it really a network?
- Ken Sheppardson
totally agree @bwana (notice i'm sending to twitter as i type)
- Chris Heath
1.) Be Robert Scoble 2.) Start a thread on Twitter versus FriendFeed 3.) ??? 4.) PROFIT!!!
- Mike Nayyar
HAH!
- Bwana ☠
Oh my!
- Michael McKean
jcunwired: Well, following 100 people here means you see not just their stuff but the entries they engage on. That amplifies things at least 10x
- Ken Sheppardson
also, i'm not following you on twitter either... why get just your tweets? i want it all!!
- Chris Heath
hehe Mike, true. I do a happy dance if I get one comment for my posts :/
- JCunwired
I think its interesting to see the web getting pushed through these different filters. Like FF now, before it was digg for a little while.
- Andrew Leahey
Its like we're taking all new content added to the web and its sort of a value added proposition. Each service tacks something on as it passes through.
- Andrew Leahey
andrew, the web is still pushed thru digg, and digg is way bigger than friendfeed (currently) and bigger than twitter too
- Chris Heath
Digg bigger than twitter? Really?
- Andrew Leahey
digg has something like 30 million uniques per month... i'm not sure twitter has that... do they?
- Chris Heath
Chris: I recently heard 20 millions
- Jérôme
Well, what about Twitter client usage?
- Michael McKean
nobody knows how many users Twitter has
- JCunwired
I think Twitter takes Digg.
- Andrew Leahey
Front page digg counts have been declining, IMHO, I think the url shortening thing is going to take a big chunk out of them too.
- Andrew Leahey
andrew: how many digg users have the alexa toolbar, really?
- Chris Heath
isn't alexa only counting internet explorer users?
- Chris Heath
probably a comparable ratio to alexa toolbar users that twitter from twitter.com
- Andrew Leahey
i'm very skeptical of alexa numbers - other traffic counters too...
- Chris Heath
don't get me wrong, im not anti-digg, or knocking it. i just think twitter has more exposure now.
- Andrew Leahey
"unfollowing people in friendfeed is stupid. Just put the lame ones onto a list" - so you're ideal model is everyone is subscribed to everyone by default and then people are responsible for organizing lists?
- Todd Hoff
definitely, its flawed. i just think its flawed pretty equally for those two particular sites. i dont know, no offense intended.
- Andrew Leahey
todd: i think he's trying to say subscribe to lots of people since you can cordon them off into lists
- Chris Heath
Todd Hoff: lol, unfortunately, Robert has left the thread.
- Jérôme
He said "be right back". Did he get lost on the way to the bathroom?
- Michael McKean
andrew: no offense taken, i have no ties to digg (emotional or otherwise) - i'm just not sure about the numbers
- Chris Heath
Robert probably wanted to say that if you decided to sub someone, you had good reasons which justify to put them in list rather than unsub them once they become to loud.
- Jérôme
[OT] I love the ability to edit a comment. That's great for non-native English speakers who want to keep up with the conversation without making dozens of typos per comment.
- Jérôme
jerome, if it would update the comment in real-time after you edit it that would be wicked cool too!
- Chris Heath
I want the comment to go italic for few seconds to let me know it was edited, that always helps.
- Bwana ☠
Yeah, *some* indication of an edit in RT would be slick.
- Ken Sheppardson
Chris: sh*t, it doesn't?!
- Jérôme
Good idea.
- Zu from AOD
I've decided to follow everyone who has commented on this thread, why not. :)
- Phil Glockner
They could update the tooltip over the comment icon to display some info.
- Jérôme
jerome, i'm not sure, but have been told that you have to refresh to see edits
- Chris Heath
Well, there's an easy way to test that...edit 1...edit 2... edit 3... edit 4
- Ken Sheppardson
Phil, that could take some time!
- JCunwired
i refreshed: "Well, there's an easy way to test that...edit 1 - Ken Sheppardson"
- Chris Heath
Actually that would be a useful feature - follow everyone in a conversation that you find stimulating
- JCunwired
anybody see "...edit 1, edit 2" showing up on my last comment when viewing the RT feed?"
- Ken Sheppardson
refreshed again: "Well, there's an easy way to test that...edit 1...edit 2... edit 3 - Ken Sheppardson"
- Chris Heath
but you don't see them in RT?
- Ken Sheppardson
so i'd say pretty confidently that it's not updating in real-time : that seems pretty non-trivial to me
- Chris Heath
yep. me too, i.e. non-trivial
- Ken Sheppardson
well you can't always get everything you want... i just wish that they'd add some more stuff to the beta, i find myself going back to regular friendfeed to mess with subscriptions/rooms/settings and a couple other things too
- Chris Heath
yeah, I'm not getting the rooms thing... or the creating a feed for a room, that is no longer really a room.... but whatever :p
- Krikit Media
I'm *positive* they're going to be adding stuff in. There are things just just can't do right now without going back to pre-beta, and they're certainly not going to maintain both sites indefinitely. Tomorrow morning is the 1wk anniversary of beta. I wonder if that'll mean anything.
- Ken Sheppardson
They have to be very careful not to release too much features right now (if their goal is to go mainstream). Imagine if you had joined Facebook right now, with all its apps and buttons? Twitter is so simple, they've to upgrade slowly.
- Jérôme
[ot question to the chat]: i've been sending my FF comments to twitter... always have. but now in the beta i'm in conversations here much more (Gillmor Gang, TWiT shows etc) and i'm generating a lot of posts to twitter from my comments here. Is that probably a bad idea? would you turn them off? should i care? (since i'm still garnering twitter followers even quicker now that i'm posting to twitter more)
- Chris Heath
Scoble;The UI decides how the app is used. Conversations are interesting in FF and not twttr. Twitter added reply_ to ids some time back. What they are missing is a ui which looks like this. Optimized for a conversation under one topic.I would wager we will definitely see it some day. I suspect they are in no panic to add it and they might be thinking it is easier to gain momentum with the simpler feature set.
- Faizan
Ken: it'll mean it's been 7 days. I've confirmed that with a reliable source :)
- Phil Maxwell
And I just saw my first FF comment spam posted. FF is going to need some sort of mechanism to prevent that. Also the original poster of the feed item probably should have power to delete anyone's comments.
- Keith Barrett
They do
- Bwana ☠
Keith, you block them (not sure how in beta, but just remove beta. from the url and you can block them)
- Chris Heath
Interesting observation Robert. I've been observing the opposite with my FF vs Twitter accounts. The rate of new followers on Twitter has slowed for me (partially from spending more time here and elsewhere - partially from starting to just block numbers gamers that don't tweet) and the rate at which I'm finding new people following me here is (slowly) increasing.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Chris - personally I'm not nuts about the idea, but then I use Twitter and Friendfeed in two distinctly different ways. When I see a FF comment or like come over from FF to Twitter its often so out of context that its passed over
- JCunwired
jcunwired - yeah, it took a while! phew.
- Phil Glockner
Earlier in the week I think on Gilmore Gang on TWiT, Paul from FF said they were going to make the beta the standard within a couple of weeks.
- Basenet InterMedia
The system could be: if you're block by X% of people whose entries you've commented, you're kicked out!
- Jérôme
There needs to be a comment link at the bottom or hotkey for these long threads. omg
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Click the timestamp.
- Michael McKean
Jérôme: or just hide their comments by default like a lot of sites do
- Phil Maxwell
Jerome - jerks need social interaction too. A better policy would be to have those people all force-follow each other :)
- JCunwired
jcunwired: one thing i'm thinking about doing is to stop sending comments to twitter, but at the same time start sending likes to twitter (which i'm not doing now) that way i'll only send one link per discussion - you know i'm actually going to do that after typing it ... i've convinced myself
- Chris Heath
Phil: that's what I said. I hide, you hide, others hide, then FF catches the spammer, close his account, and thus, prevent others to be spammed
- Jérôme
I wish I could choose WHICH likes to send to Twitter. Or maybe I'm missing something?
- Michael McKean
jcunwired: love your idea!
- Jérôme
I think the real problem for someone like Robert is that the real time has increased the noise on people's home feeds, and they haven't really started to use lists and filters yet. ANd I have to agree with Robert about not unfollowing people -put them on a list, you never know when they might add more value later on. This is why you follow astronomical numbers in the first place. To find the gems
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Michael, I don't think you can differentiate. Its all or nothing.
- JCunwired
Here's one for you, Robert...on subject of filters...if I wanted a filter containing JUST my flickr feeds, how would I set up the filter?
- George Hall (Australia)
Jérôme : that's how tiwtter handles spammers ...seems to work pretty well
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Chris: I caught a lot of heat ffrom my twitter followers for the comments going to twitter during a discussion like this. I turn them on only when I really want a single comment to go there so they get the link with outme having to "like"something and give them the wrong idea
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
George Hall, i have a feeling that the feature you request will be forthcoming
- Chris Heath
Oh, I see. I thought most systems report the spammers for action, before hiding its posts to others, i.e you have to bear the flow of spam before the team in charge decides to take action.
- Jérôme
One ittty-bitty filter like that would make my beta experience complete...;-)
- George Hall (Australia)
guruvan, interesting i haven't heard word one from my twitter followers... i rarely do - most of my @replies come from ppl i've found via im@twitterspy.org
- Chris Heath
Michael: perhaps they could pop up a little check box below the Like asking if you would like to send it to Twitter? That would probably work.
- Phil Maxwell
I wish there was a way to choose each time I like or comment to send it outbound or not, or set the answer to that question as a default maybe a check box next to the comment or like links
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
George Hall - http://beta.friendfeed.com/search...
- Mitch
guruvan: why that's an excellent idea.
- Phil Maxwell
Chris: I did hear from several 2 of which accused me of "spamming" them with ff.im links - but it was always after a discussion that moved like this one is...where it was multiple comments pretty quickly....So I leave the Likes turned on by default, and the comments off.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
NOW my beta experience is complete...thank you Mitch. That can be adapted to the other services, I take it?
- George Hall (Australia)
guruvan, that's what i was affraid of and i've done exactly as you have
- Chris Heath
Yeah for sure. I think friendfeed is service:internal
- Mitch
Phil: LOL! Great Mind think alike 'eh ?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Chris: That's why I'd like to be able to turn the outbound feed on and off right at the discussion. A lot of comments are really just that - comments...I'd like those posted to twitter to get more people involved in the goings on over here. But I don't think they need to see a link to every time I say something in a thread. (which could be yet another feature...not posting outbound more than once per thread per time period)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
guruvan, earlier today (and yesterday) i had the idea to turn it off while commenting on twit-conversations but decided not to (changed my mind now) - but the once per thread per time period is an interesting idea too
- Chris Heath
Mitch: Got everything set as a filter except any specific rss feed. How does one do that?
- George Hall (Australia)
Chirs: If it was easier I would turn it on and off all the time. I get a lot of traffic/RTs and follows on twitter form the FF likes and comments. It really only irritates with it's like 10 in a few minutes. Some twitter people feel "spammed" on the likes because they have to click 2 times to get to the story that I liked. I wouldn't mind seeing the "original link" check box next to the like link. -so that if there isn't (or isn't likely to be) discussion I want them to see, I can send them straight away.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
George: Check with Mark Traphagen (trappermark) re: RSS filter..he's been working on that and I don't recall where that stood.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
And to add to that point: With the way that many, if not most, twitter users are following massive quantities, and yet still using the website, or a client and no groups, how COULD they see Robert's tweets? But they MUST see Robert's tweets, or Louis gray couldn't have said this: http://beta.friendfeed.com/louisgr...
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
curious as to why this friendfeed comparison to twitter discussion is (as the saying goes) beaten in like a dead horse -in so many variety of ways. is it really that fascinating in describing advantages of friend feed over twitter? (i'm agnostic in either service but curious as to the catalyst(s) in why this is a continuous thing.) there's mechanistic differences, but isn't the point of all this to make of it all what we will? make it our own?
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
I think people readily follow on Twitter because the tolerance for spam on Twitter is higher. It is after all a 140 char message. But on Friendfeed with all the metadata and functionality you really want items that are meaningful to you.
- Vishy
Holy long comment thread, batman! (aside: the existence of such comment threads is one of the advantages of FF) Okay, so I think FF will only succeed if it can encapsulate your entire Twitter existence within FF itself. In other words, on top of all the great things FF does, it needs to become a good Twitter client. This will take some serious pumping up of tools like imaginary friends...
- Karen James
Takes a while to catch up on 300+ comments =P @Netvista: you asked about sharing filters. There's is a room/group where people are doing just that http://beta.friendfeed.com/fffilte... When they share a filter, it's a link to a specific search result. When you're looking at the result, there's a link @ the top in the red bar to create a filter from it. @Mitch and George: to search only FF generated posts, service:friendfeed works.
- FFing Enigma
So did Scolble finaaaallly answer his comment? "So how does Twitter favor from this BIG difference?" Or was he just inciting more frenzy Scoble style? Looks to be not yet...he disappeared.
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Shawn, it's 6 am in Scoble's time zone. Even he has to sleep sometime =)
- FFing Enigma
Both of them have users forcing people to click through which is a pain. End.
- Richard A.
I tried to read this thread but it was at 600+ comments. Does FF have a tl;dr auto-summarizer yet? No offense folks, but I don't have an hour on Monday morning to catch up here.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Timestamps would be nice too.
- Chris Poulson
Timestamps for what, Chris, the comments? Those are available: hover over the speech bubble to the left of a comment
- FFing Enigma
Tina beat me to it, but beyond the bubble, some sort of timestamps would be nice so you can just scan the list and tell who said what when. For example, I'd like to be able to see what folks said after I gave up keeping up with the discussion on this around 10pm or so last night.
- Ken Sheppardson
Exactly Ken... Maybe something more along the lines of how Twitter does it. "Chris Poulson 34s ago"
- Chris Poulson
I don't buy that FF generates less followers. The sample size is much smaller to pull from. For an apples to apples compares we need to look at percentages. I'll bet you, percentage wise, you have more followers on FF and Twitter.
- James Furlo
Why do we have to focus so much on the tools? We couldn't expect this behavior to go mainstream. They are nothing other than means to enhance human interactions and relationships. Twitter is about notification and Friendnfeed is better at conversation; but let's ask what's the value of social media to us human being. I'd like to just be able to follow what I think are the best aspects of the people I like, so that I can be good at one thing and leverage on them when it comes what I think they are gd at.
- Tim Lai
*bumps* the contradictions are just ubiquitous
- The Real sofarsoShawn
51st State: « Lolcats ‘n’ Funny Pictures of Cats - I Can Has Cheezburger? - http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009...
Jemm, MicahBear78, Aaron Myers and 3 other people liked this
are imaginary friends dead in beta friendfeed?
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No. You can do that with the option "Create a feed". It's the last thing on the right column.
- Fernando
i see, so it's not quite the same...
- Zee.
The FAQ says FF are working on this but yeah use the Create a feed for the moment.
- Kol Tregaskes
Ok, now that I'm played with filters for far too long, I guess it's time to learn about feeds. :)
Peter Efland, Dobromir Hadzhiev, Michael Fidler and 6 other people liked this
booya! looking forward to some cool stuff :)
- vijay
Saw your video and was intrigued by the filters and stuff. Has anyone put together some kind of FF filter compendium? Something to spark ideas and stuff about what to do with the feature?
- Rah-PM 2012
whats a feed?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Rah, we got some FF Filters rooms - link incoming -> http://beta.friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Bwana ☠
Rob - I'm reading this: http://beta.friendfeed.com/about...
- Bwana ☠
Ok, I was wrestling with the difference between a "feed" and the old FriendFeed rooms, and it seems they've done way with rooms and renamed them to "Groups". But in order to make a new "group" you create a new "feed". Oy.
- Bwana ☠
So feeds are just rooms/groups renamed
- Bwana ☠
Very odd that they're now 3 names for it
- Bwana ☠
"Create a feed" is also the new way to make an "imaginary friend"
- Tony Miller
Bwana - there is no spoon :)
- Susan Beebe
DUDE - http://img.skitch.com/2009040... LOL!!
- Bwana ☠
Bwana that image NAILED IT!
- vijay
This is my understanding... Feed: entries posted to friendfeed with common security settings. Group: the collection of people that can see a specific feed. Feed = computer; Group = People. Feeds can have either single authors (Bwana's Feed) or multiple authors (Feeds associated with groups). Lists, on the other hand, are a collection of feed's aggregated into a single view for a specific user, for example I can cluster all of my real-life friend's into one list and all tech bloggers into another.
- Frankie Warren
Gary, if you're watching this... - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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haha...
- Zee.
lol, did not expect that at all
- Chris Conway
hehe! i don't think he's gonna call her now after that... :D :o
- iTad
She can call me if she wants!! :-)
- Dave Winer
That was hilarious. :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I was expecting her to say something about having an STD.
- Louie
@Dave .... Lol...She is a cutie though eh
- Zee.
Someone is a bit pissed... She is kinda cute though :)
- Michael Forian
Looking forward to seeing Gary in a Youtube video-response ;)
- Migger
OMG!
- ※Fu※
hahahahahahahaaa [Edit] Somebody wouldn't give her his telephone number?????
- The Fat Oracle
I think an important element to this that isn't immediately obvious (if you don't click through) is that this is addressed to Gary Vaynerchuk of Wine Library TV, who has started to use a video as an email auto-responder: http://tv.winelibrary.com/garyvs-...
- Mark Trapp
This sniffs of a transparent Lonelygirl15 spoof to promote Gary's book, 'natch.
- joshua fouts
Yes, Vaynerchuk's video response to email is significant, and Andrew's dislike of same. I think the video is great, it may be Rocketboom 2.0.
- Dave Winer
I've fallen victim to Gary's auto email reply, with his video link, before. lol.
- Louie
lol
- Adri Munier
BWAHAHAHA!!! I love it.
- Aaron deMello
liz, message from gary: "please mail it to 586 Morris Avenue Springfield, New Jersey 07081 marked ATTN GARYV URGENT URGENT URGENT thanks will get back to you in two to three weeks"
- Deva Hazarika
lolz loved it!
- Triston McIntyre
lol
- xero
cuty :)
- Marco Sascha Sven Hoppe
from twhirl
Bwahahahahaha!!!!
- Robert Couture
from twhirl
funny...
- Tony
the lead up was a little long but it ended with a bang!
- Morgan
Liz, it's a great ending. too good.
- Sarah Austin
OMG LMAO. LOL
- ZOD
I was getting ready for "I'm pregnant" -- but this was good.
- MattJhsn
O_O O_O <_< >_> @_@ oh...... my.....
- Bwana ☠
She is adorable and that is hilarious! The Triscuit actually makes it funnier.
- Dave Tremel
She hasn't done any videos since :(
- Pat Hawks
Garyvee is a lucky guy.
- Dave Winer
Holy shit this is eight months old! LOL way to resurrect a dead thread! :)
- Adam Turetzky
recap video of Seesmic Desktop http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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FriendFeed Is In Danger Of Becoming The Coolest App No One Uses - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
James Myatt, Alexander Arsky, Victor Panlilio and 52 other people liked this
"FriendFeed is a *vastly* superior platform to Twitter. Both in terms of lifestreaming as well as the bigger piece of the pie, search. Try this. do a search for photography on Twitter: http://search.twitter.com/search... Now do a search for photography on FriendFeed with 5 likes are more: http://beta.friendfeed.com/filter... Do you really need any more of a comparison between the two? Twitter will be an interesting place to follow the mundane lives of celebrities, sort of like myspace, but the more interesting community, content and discovery will take place at FriendFeed. It’s only a matter of time. The fact that Twitter was earlier and is larger today is about as relevant as the fact that Yahoo was earlier and larger than Google once upon a time long, long, ago."
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
just posted this comment at TechCrunch.
- Thomas Hawk
add backtype here :P
- sean percival
I hope that is not true! But, I'm still not sure the new UI will do much to attract new users. I'm stil trying to get use to it!
- Jeff P. Henderson
Thomas, FF mangled your second URL (the FF search on photography). Could you repair it to help prove your point here? I think this is the URL http://beta.friendfeed.com/search...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
The funny thing, like Louis Gray just pointed out, is the fact that Twitter didn't even build it's own search and wouldn't be comparable to FriendFeed if it hadn't bought Summize.
- Mitch
This is a great opportunity for a side-by-side mashup, Thomas. User enters a search string, sees the Twitter results on one side, sees the FF beta results (with likes:5) on the other...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
gee, arrington. no surprise there. he's as sensationalistic as any other tired blowhad news medium out there. i don't get the appeal of people like him, but i sense it being similar as when people claim the sky is falling there's people who are quick to fall for it
- Cee Bee
thanks Daniel, fixed it.
- Thomas Hawk
Daniel someone should build a page that does side by side search results for terms on both FF and Twitter. I remember some old Google vs. Yahoo side by side search pages from way back when. Search on Twitter is a wreck compared to FF.
- Thomas Hawk
dumb question, how do I get my twitter subscriptions to post on FF?
- nrlaskey
It's great for tech savvy folks but everyone that I show pretty much says "Um thanks but no thanks" I feel that there are only a small percentage of people that want to streamline all of their social media. The average joe moves at a much slower pace and does not require the super aggregation. It's lost on them as to why the need it. The other thing is that it strips out the unique user experience of each social networking app that most people, including myself, appreciate.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
Yet another TechCrunch headline designed for one thing ... and one thing only
- Charlie Anzman
Nathan, go here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/natel... and add twitter. You might want to consider making your feed public instead of private as well.
- Thomas Hawk
thanks!!
- nrlaskey
@JP - why do we need to worry about FF being everything to everyone? It's amazing at what it does now for its current audience, and it's backed by successful millionaires with other world-class web apps to their credit. When people tell me they don't get FF I don't bend over backwards trying to force it on them.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
One thing that helps Twitter adoption is that there are a LOT of iPhone apps for Twitter, but only a handful of (good,free) iPhone apps for FriendFeed
- David McDonald
I will add that the new FF design is much more appealing!
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
hmmm...I can get 'my' posts but not other I follow...is that because I am not public?
- nrlaskey
@jp, although unfortunately still not as appealing as twitter. At least ff works a lot better, though, and for a functional perspective the new set-out is quite good.
- Joe Bland
@Joe Bland I don't use the Twitter web app as the 3rd party apps are much better from a UI and features perspective. Not sure what that mean for their biz model though. Charge for the use of the API?
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
The suggestion to search FF for the term photography with likes more than 5... I've never done that before, but it looks really slick in the new UI -- this suggestion may turn me around on the new UI.
- Andy Bakun
@JP Agreed the 3rd party apps are far better, but you need to install them on something, and cannot take them with you. One way I use ff is as an online twitter client.
- Joe Bland
I think more people will use FriendFeed eventually. This latest beta will probably help that along, since we can read all the discussions in realtime. There are a few limits to Twitter that FriendFeed overcomes, and it's good there's not the same 140-character limit. It just needs a few decent client programs and a chance to prove in a crunch like Twitter has. Give it time, it'll prove its worth.
- George Hall (Australia)
Actually, back in February, if I'd known as much as I know now, I'd have used FriendFeed more for piping out information on the Victorian Bushfires. FriendFeed's aggregation abilities would have helped keep all the information I had to work with in the one place, plus one wouldn't have had to contract everything into the space of that twitter limit. Twitter was good at the time, but now I'd have been using it to pipe things through to a more detailed Friendfeed.
- George Hall (Australia)
Just had a bit of a think about why Twitter is more used, even though FriendFeed is superior. At the moment, there's no equivalent as far as I can see of Twitter's public timeline, which is where most Twitter users start to see who's good to follow or subscribe to. One may actually get a clue from the discussions as to who to follow, but it's not quite as intuitive. Perhaps this is something FriendFeed can rectify soon. I'd venture a guess a public timeline would get more people using FF.
- George Hall (Australia)
An excellent suggestion from Thomas Hawk. Really; try it. "Try this. do a search for photography on Twitter: http://search.twitter.com/search... Now do a search for photography on FriendFeed with 5 likes are more: http://beta.friendfeed.com/filter... Do you really need any more of a comparison between the two?"
- Alex Williams
Cleaner FriendFeed (New Beta) - 04/06/09 | userstyles.org - http://userstyles.org/styles...
Denya, maxilprof, Business Blogger 【ツ】™ and 205 other people liked this
Changelog: -- removed the grey background -- removed the bar background and made it subtle -- some font size changes -- some spacing adjustments -- select text background changed
- AJ Batac :)
from Bookmarklet
* Cleaner and cool look and feel (FriendFeed is already clean, this makes it a lot cleaner) * Different font style * Highlights friends comments with baby yellow (instantly know that the user is already your friend) * Highlights your comments with baby blue (it’s cool to see your own comments from river of comments. Looks good when you are a distance away your computer, makes your...
more...
- AJ Batac :)
yay!
- mjc
This userstyle brings the FriendFeed conversation to another level by instantly letting you know… 1) Your own comment (Powder Blue) 2) Your friends comments (Light Yellow) 3) Your non-friends comments (Normal FriendFeed Comment Color) 4) Likes (Light Pink)
- AJ Batac :)
As FriendFeed becomes popular, you’ll definitely need some kind of instant and attention grabbing color that catches your eyes and tell you where you left off in a conversation. Hope you like it.
- AJ Batac :)
Well THAT didn't take long.
- tehKenny
MUCH better :-)
- andy brudtkuhl
Congrats aj.
- Alp
you legend. :)
- Zee.
THANK YOU!
- Rochelle
Installed and liking... wish the font was a tad bigger but I can adjust that :)
- Bwana ☠
could you block the logo also?
- mjc
installing - lovely- although there is something in having the "main area" diff. from the rest of the screen as in the original design - must play and see what works better for me
- Naor Mark
That's much better, thanks AJ
- Sally Church
Good work!
- Rich
mjc, it won't look good. but you can use this (#logo img { display:none !important; })
- AJ Batac :)
That looks much better! Maybe the FF devs can adopt that scheme.
- Lindsay
really clean and cool.
- Jansen Lu
That was fast man!
- JazJaz
wow thanks aj
- Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど
that looks much better
- RAPatton
thank U
- Andrea | amnesiak1978
Damn, AJ...fast work! Awesome as usual! :)
- JA Castillo
great - hate the grey!
- Gaby K. Slezák
thank U
- Andrea | amnesiak1978
wow that was fast... I don't mind the gray, but this is a nice option for those complainers who don't
- Nathan Chase
Switched already and I'm lovin' this script - much nicer!
- Sally Church
I cleaned it up further. If you've downloaded it already, edit and change this line (.bar {border:none !important; background:none !important;background-color:#C8DCF5 !important;}) ;) much better without those borders on bars ;)
- AJ Batac :)
(too lazy for looking up the line - re-installed :)
- Naor Mark
Same as Naor, but yeah it is nicer :-)
- Sally Church
this is fantastic - loving life with a #112 body :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Wow AJ, nice job. I hope FF takes notice.
- Andrew Smith
AJ that was fast!
- Susan Beebe
Much better AJ!
- AJ Kohn
Wow. Nice. Thank you!
- Ken Sheppardson
I can't tell... are you mimicking the effect of the little yellow halo around the comment bubble when it's inserted into a page you're viewing? Ah... there it is... the halo's still there. Might be nice to have the entire comment's color fade. Skill Level 2.0 ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Thanks AJ!
- Shey
I love the comment HIGHLIGHT COLORS - blue = mine :) Friends = yellow = cool!!! thanks
- Susan Beebe
@Susan Wasn't that apart of the beta already?
- Shey
@Shey, nope.
- AJ Batac :)
Wow, this style is gorgeous! Blows the default beta away. Still no fan of fixed-width but if devs go with this style and the new functionality, it's enough win for me.
- ·[▪_▪]·
@robot, here's one for you -> Widescreen version (http://beta.friendfeed.com/ajbatac...) or fluid/liquid
- AJ Batac :)
Widescreen...for...the....WIN
- Bwana ☠
I do wish links were in a different colour or <strong>
- Shey
How cool is this!
- Charlie Anzman
WOW tnx I love it
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
this is great. thanks!
- Peter van Teeseling
Made it use Segoe UI pt 11, and looks much better :D
- Yuvi
This is much more visually appealing. You rock!
- Justin Whitaker
I really like this. Thank you, good sir.
- Brandon Ball
OMG AJ, this is SO MUCH better! Thank you!
- Phil Glockner
Someone make this a sticky. :)
- JazJaz
That's way better! Thanks a bunch :)
- Maryam Ardakani
Awesome AJ! But what took you so long?
- Edward Zwart
♥♥♥♥♥ Thanks!!
- Lix
I switched to Firefox just to use your layout - it helps.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
free to modify, free to whatever you want to do with it. ;)
- AJ Batac :)
hey dude you got mentioned in the read write web http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
- Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど
@alfredo, Thanks.
- AJ Batac :)
Thank you, thank you, thank you! This is wonderful in FireFox
- Anthony K. Valley ©
Thank you, AJ, you rock!
- Michelle M
Awesome!! I'm using it right now.
- Mark Layton
Gosh, that's better, thanks for the Beta FF version - I've been used CleanerFF since using FF.
- Kol Tregaskes
This is VERY nice. Well done!
- Tony
@wiredryo You really like colors? I find them distracting and cheap-looking. Just my style though, maybe. I like minimalism.
- ·[▪_▪]·
WOO-HOO! Now THAT is more like it!
- Steven Perez
That's wonderful. Thank you!
- joey
Even cleaner without avatars in the feed: http://userstyles.org/styles...
- Meryn Stol
Really enjoying the Cleaner FF. By the popularity of this thread, I'm assuming many are not really happy with the gray background and colored sidebar boxes.
- Ricardo Vidal
I personally have not much trouble with the new color scheme. Try removing the avatars, they are really noisy. Just try to experience the difference.
- Meryn Stol
colored and + fontsized the post titles, as i prefer to catch the posts rather then the comments, it really works.
- Yunus Tunak
http://beta.friendfeed.com/ for new look
- Yunus Tunak
Feels so much better.
- Valley
I changed the background for #f8f8fc because it doesn't look as good when it's just as white as the main column. Having it an off-white like that is a lot nicer. Just a suggestion.
- Chris Charabaruk
Also, I turned off highlighting of friend comments (although not my own) because you all chat too much. :)
- Chris Charabaruk
this is awesome. thanks so much!
- Karoli
great! i disliked beta's grey background. :-)
- browneyes
Much better! I don't mind the constant flow, but wasn't a fan of the new design.
- Vince DeGeorge
Done. and loving it. Thanks AJ!
- Dave
AJ, you da man! I like it very much. :)
- imabonehead
I tweaked it so all it really did was get rid of the gray background, but left the font sizes and colors alone. Now it looks REALLY good to me. Will screenshot it now. Thanks, AJ!
- Josh Haley
Using this now... soooo much better! :D
- Brandon
love it! seems better!
- Business Blogger 【ツ】™
very nice, thanks :D
- PaperDoll
wow, just installed this, way better!
- Marcos Marado
I agree! I think I like this much better. The Gray background was getting to me.
- Kreg Steppe
Still prefer the post options from the 'old' freindfeed interface - they were out front & more available for on-the-fly, intuitive changing
- awd
@Aaron, I like the new one better. ;)
- AJ Batac :)
Great job, AJ. Soooo much better. I hope that FF notices that we like their original clean design better and incorporate it into beta again so that I don't need a script for this.
- Carmen wBabby
Updated: For widescreen monitors (http://userstyles.org/styles...) / Normal width (http://userstyles.org/styles...)
- AJ Batac :)
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