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about to start our engines...hang on everyone
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Last week's episode with Kevin's dog was the funniest thing since Jason c's imitation of Adam Curry
- Doug Ellis
from iPhone
I wish I could have been there. It looked like my kind of incident
- Francine Hardaway
i'm more afraid of governments taking over the internet
- Ankush Narula
Didn't I tell the lawn service not to work on my lawn on Fridays btw 1-2:30? geez
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Facebook required - exactly
- cliveb
sheep?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
FB sucks up data like an octopus into Goldman Sachs transparency.
- cliveb
Goog has privacy controls and audit
- cliveb
You pay with attention dollars
- Michael Roberts
and we give them our content
- Tina Chase Gillmor
skype sync is weirdlyoff today
- Tina Chase Gillmor
and like dollars that trickle through the economy - Facebook connect etc.. lets your attention trickle through the attention economy
- Michael Roberts
Microsoft slated cooking up some sort of Azure skype service
- cliveb
We can choose not to go to those networks. Exactly, Taschek.
- Francine Hardaway
Our currency is being used to create actual currency. We either agree to give it away or are ignorant of it.
- Aron Michalski
No, don't agree with John... exactly Robert..
- Michael Roberts
I understand peer pressure, but most of my friends are NOT on Facebook and feel no pressure to be there. Unless they are young
- Francine Hardaway
w/o FB can't post comment on The Cloud Blog
- cliveb
In fact, neither of my daughters is active on FB. They have rudimentary profiles, but they are not engaged
- Francine Hardaway
not just peer pressure, but also as more people move into the online space, they feel they need to engage these spaces open or closed because they feel they need to in order to promote themselves and get noticed. Klout is an extreme example of this.
- Michael Roberts
I am glad to accept tags from some but not all. Glad FB allows you to reject pernicious tagging.
- Aron Michalski
the problem with Facebook is we let private sector companies control the places where people get to meet and interact. Jane Jacobs describes physical spaces in cities.. these are digital meeting spaces.. the problem is Facebook gets to tell you how to you get to interact.
- Michael Roberts
I actually thought MSFT might buy NOK
- Francine Hardaway
I can see one path to apps for MS phone. Easy authoring add-on tool for Sharepoint. Now they wouldn't be *cool* apps, but there could be a lot of them.
- Amyloo
MSFT basically took over NOK without buying it
- Kevin Marks
francine...you're agreeing with Steve?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I hope Scoble talks about his switch to companies helping small groups like janrain. I think he's right about mobile innovation in 2012.
- Michael Roberts
He'll support anyone until something shiny passes before his eyes...
- Aron Michalski
Robert's right. Sales Mgmt would call that sandbagging
- cliveb
robert is lit up today...I don't mean in the alcolhol kida way
- Tina Chase Gillmor
someone needs to track the number of times data is said during this show and others.. I guess it is all about big data.
- Michael Roberts
...or make a drinking game out of it.
- Aron Michalski
what shall we drink?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
seems like its data koolaid today
- Michael Roberts
Drink tea.
- Kevin Marks
should I drink at the controls?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
adult beverage of your choice, preferably shot sized so the chat room doesn't turn into a cage fight venue...
- Aron Michalski
and my former boss
- Kevin Marks
are they banking on the ignorance of people and their own privacy?
- Aron Michalski
I think I shold take Kevin's suggestion and drink tea....but it would be more exciting if it was spiked
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Gillmor is right
- Michael Roberts
Gillmor is always right.
- John Taschek
I'm right by Samovar here, so tea is a good option for me.
- Kevin Marks
the golden age of quality search from Google is over as far as I'm concerned. Has been for several years.
- Laura Norvig
I thought we asked foursquare
- Kevin Marks
I'll bring my coffee pot.
- Aron Michalski
+1 Taschek
- Aron Michalski
Goog threatened by FB, or by engineer defections to FB
- cliveb
Kevin nailed it.
- Laura Norvig
cliveb: I'm not privvy to how they feel, but I too imagine something like Mama Cass gaping at Janis Joplin at Newport Jazz fest thinking oh-oh, I don't know how to do that.
- Amyloo
Google know what having a controlling market share is (in search) and would hate to see FB continue to be in that position with their immense network.
- Aron Michalski
do I hear a howling cat?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Scoble is right as well.. people use FB to see who is doing what on a Friday night. FB might have just been the best at capturing this change in human behaviour, but there will be others.. I suspect FB loyalty isn't as solid as people think. But so far nothing disruptive. Google plus is trying.
- Michael Roberts
RS talking out of the side of his mouth; is he ok? Got a little Sammy Davis Jr. going on...
- Aron Michalski
barking dogs, howling cats, what's next a little red rooster.
- cliveb
Tumblr is now the cool thing for the younguns. They prefer it to Facebook, I think.
- Laura Norvig
Amyloo: Mama Cass gaping at Janis Joplin. Right on.
- cliveb
I've lost a lot of digital photos over the years. Dont even get me started
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Laura - yes they do. Tumblr and Twitter
- cliveb
Are we going out for steaks tonight? Im confused ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
You'd think that Budweiser and Omaha Steaks are sponsoring this show
- Tina Chase Gillmor
But what if you had posted, "I hate steak" and they put an ad for steak in your feed.
- Laura Norvig
totally right.. but.. read Tara Hunts post about looking for boots.. All she sees now on the google sidebar is boot ads.
- Michael Roberts
it only goes away when a company folds ...
- Laura Norvig
Steve's right. Wordpress blogs migrating to Tumblr
- cliveb
Scoble working for steak lobby...
- Aron Michalski
Aron: the beef trust
- Amyloo
Here's a suggestion for you guys. bring on Mark Surman of Mozilla Foundation - to talk about the Open Web. He'll come on.
- Michael Roberts
Think before you click is kind of the message of The Information Diet. Just started reading it, it's good.
- Laura Norvig
B2B advertising will be slower to try FB, or give it a larger share.
- Amyloo
totally right! Steve Gillmor
- Michael Roberts
Gillmor is always right.
- John Taschek
By Gillmor you mean TINA Gillmor, right John?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
JP's analogy: FB the new real-time phone book.
- cliveb
NGL, soon come.
- Aron Michalski
Davos!
- cliveb
Tina -- yes - Gillmor is plural for Gillmor(s)
- John Taschek
did Scoble talk about his thinking for 2012?
- Michael Roberts
it's heavy on the reshare. [I actually hate the way Tumblr erodes the concept of attribution.]
- Laura Norvig
I never use it - ever
- Michael Roberts
wordpress just added reblogging for their hosted blogs - surely a response toTumblr
- Hilary Talbot
I love Storify.
- Laura Norvig
I'd use it but I think the feed references the tumbler post for reblogs, not the original. Is that right?
- Amyloo
Pinterest is like a chick flick.
- Laura Norvig
hey hil
- Amyloo
Tumblr easy like Twitter & Google+
- cliveb
hey Amy :)
- Hilary Talbot
I already have a fridge.
- Aron Michalski
Pinterest requires as little effort to create content as is possible./ It's like chair dancing
- Francine Hardaway
Pinterest is beautifully designed, IMO. It makes food and clothes and nice photos look nice.
- Laura Norvig
"Delicious for girls" someone described it as
- Michael Mahemoff
I don't use Tumblr, Pinterest, Slashdot, OR Reddit and I have all those accounts
- Francine Hardaway
Pinterest like Quora (flash in the pan)
- cliveb
not sure about refs on tumble,r Amy. I think it looks attractive too, but will stick with my blog
- Hilary Talbot
AmyLoo, if you can think of a really effective B2B use case on FB, LMK
- Francine Hardaway
Right, Steve
- Francine Hardaway
Eric Schmidt said that
- Francine Hardaway
I will, Francine, but hard pressed. Lots of companies trying it, not sure but think they think they have to?
- Amyloo
thats why attorneys still use us-mail
- cliveb
What happens in Davos stays in Davos :)
- Michael Mahemoff
Oh francine, actually I do know of one. I'll email you. You writing about it, or just storing it away?
- Amyloo
does anyone have a service called starrfckr yet?
- Aron Michalski
Amyloo Thinking of writing, but not yet. Not nearly yet
- Francine Hardaway
TMZ, aronski
- Francine Hardaway
I was thinking for the Davos set, Francine...
- Aron Michalski
I never watch it live.. amazing the difference with the editing. This was a great show. I enjoyed it.
- Michael Roberts
The show is always way better live.
- Francine Hardaway
that's because of the chat Francine
- Tina Chase Gillmor
But that means I can't do two things at once. Both things are the Gillmor Gang TIna
- Francine Hardaway
All of the sudden, at the end of the show, J. Taschek has something to say
- Tina Chase Gillmor
;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
i always have something to say -- whether I say it or not is my mastery of the negative gesture :)
- John Taschek
...but of course
- Tina Chase Gillmor
FST quote: "I'm never wrong and I'm always right".
- Aron Michalski
Francine: B2B 1st and 3rd patents... http://www.tumblr.com/tagged...
- cliveb
Good strategy, John. I can't think of a babbler I've ever thought of as wise.
- Amyloo
hey thats my manta at home
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina, how did I know? ;-)
- Aron Michalski
It's obvious isn't it Aron?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Steve has always had a gift to find people who can talk for an hour for the show and then another who can sum it up in a single sentence.
- Aron Michalski
Summify acquisition! Let the best shared links bubble up.
- Michael Mahemoff
Nodejs on Gillmor Gang enterprise?
- cliveb
thanks to allllll!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
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hello
- Kevin Marks
ready to rumble?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
in the garden with a chilled glass
- Kevin Marks
hi all. Glad I'm free.
- Aron Michalski
glass of what?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
tonic
- Kevin Marks
are you broadcasting? I cannot see or hear anything
- studentforce
almost ready Studentforce
- Tina Chase Gillmor
thanks!
- studentforce
oops, had it open twice
- Kevin Marks
hey Aron
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I get ads for salesforce everywhere
- Kevin Marks
Kevin is getting loaded on the show
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Hi Tina! Dealing with split personalities today?(Gillmor/Scoble construct...)
- Aron Michalski
should I drink very time we say privacy?
- Kevin Marks
people still think there's privacy on the internet?
- Karoli
ooh, great idea. One shot for privacy, 2 for iPad, 3 for cloud...
- Aron Michalski
Aron, I'd die of alcohol poisoning.
- Karoli
todays guests could be Lemmy and Keith Richards...
- Aron Michalski
this is the 'how did I get Growl installed on this mac?' syndrome
- Kevin Marks
I'm Doc and I approve this message.
- Aron Michalski
the priorities are what they should be !! Hats off to you Steve and Tina
- studentforce
1+ useful
- cliveb
We're all at the Fun Fair; the googlesphere is the entertainosphere is the TV, etc...
- Aron Michalski
no privacy in San Jose
- Jerome Hughes
OMG! The giggles...
- Alex de Soto
Google reacting to Steve Yegge's platform rant
- cliveb
wish you guys would cheer up
- studentforce
Almost Francine and the dog all over again...
- Aron Michalski
there's a chap up the utility pole behind me, thats what the dog was cross about
- Kevin Marks
Tickle me Google.
- Alex de Soto
The dog has his own Google Hangout?
- Aron Michalski
The dog wants a cocktail.
- Alex de Soto
I dont think we have ever had a a giggle attack like this one today
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Yeah, this is the "serious" show; all the other junk was on NGL...
- Aron Michalski
John got copy right, see his lips move, hear dog bark
- cliveb
Steve's drinking out of his Beatle's Love cup
- Tina Chase Gillmor
How Pat Sajak of him...
- Aron Michalski
What about this Twitter thing? https://support.twitter.com/article...
- Alex de Soto
previous dog centered levity… http://twitter.com/jromeh...
- Jerome Hughes
I just love seeing rich fat guys in suits trying to force the Genie back into the bottle.
- Aron Michalski
They don't understand the bottle or the genie but they do understand shoving.
- Aron Michalski
trickle down economics
- Tina Chase Gillmor
studentforce is going public the week after !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- studentforce
Computerworld: Apple breaks Microsoft's 'lock' on enterprise workers, argues analyst… http://bit.ly/yFvENk
- Jerome Hughes
FB IPO effect. more startups to help ppl spend time. less to help ppl save time
- cliveb
Hi guys
- Keith Teare
Sorry, missed that this was happening
- Keith Teare
hi keaith
- Kevin Marks
table that
- Jerome Hughes
we're here usually every week keith. glad you could join! ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
my theory about surface is that Gates sadi the futire was tablet computing, but autocorrect changed it to table...
- Kevin Marks
Who's Keath :-) Keith
- Keith Teare
that's the telephoen lineman getting a cellphone call
- Kevin Marks
Hi. Just tuning in. Has there been any discussion of Apple's textbook move?
- Amyloo
hi, Amy, not yet unless missed here
- Jerome Hughes
yeah .... lets talk about Apple's textbook announcement
- studentforce
Microsoft software biz model can't complete with free Android/Web
- cliveb
Hi Amy. Not yet.
- Hilary Talbot
hey hil, jerome
- Amyloo
"Evil? Define 'evil'..."
- Aron Michalski
It's like Steve woke up on the "right" side of the bed... but not so
- Tina Chase Gillmor
he seems so happy today.. what's up?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Moe, they are trying to keep all the hardware guys happy.
- Aron Michalski
the data collected from Android gear from cheap to stellar is what they live off of. The ad stuff has been remarkable the past week.
- Aron Michalski
CSI FArgo
- Kevin Marks
Half the market feeding their ad machine...
- Aron Michalski
It's not because of Lillehammer...
- Aron Michalski
57m channels &
- Jerome Hughes
MI5
- Kevin Marks
deep fat fryer in ep 2 is a bit much, yes
- Kevin Marks
Root system metaphors latest ideas taken from PARC. Apsen Forest and Pando Trees.
- cliveb
Time Warner Cable just released HBO finally...
- Aron Michalski
The pipe holders each have a deal with HBO...
- Aron Michalski
The pipe holders will block it.
- Aron Michalski
clive http://j.mp/viral - RHizomatic
- Kevin Marks
Traffic schools in southern California are wild -- or used to be when I lived there in thie 80s. Comics, lavish dinners if you want to pay.
- Amyloo
weird amy, so I missed out by doing it online?
- Kevin Marks
Doc's right; the premium users will drive this. Apple doesn't want to front any money; they will make premium users pay another premium, like they already do.
- Aron Michalski
Cable (SOPA) trip back to Hasso Plattner debate w/ Marc Benioff. Platforms missing granular biz model
- cliveb
Keven, suppose you could eat something yummy and listen to a comedian while studying road rules. But not so fun.
- Amyloo
DOCSYS is named after Doc Searls #fakefacts
- Kevin Marks
Right Amy. Still same. My kid had to go to Comedian PizzaTraffic School due to a speeding ticket... so bizarre
- Tina Chase Gillmor
fiber to the parkways
- Jerome Hughes
Kevin, yes. Scatter lots of seeds (root systems)
- cliveb
...then she had to go to a 2 hour class where they showed her mangled bodies for two hours
- Tina Chase Gillmor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... Data Over Cable Service Interface Specification
- Jerome Hughes
clearly I've missed out here. I did online traffic school with the javascript timers ensuring you took long enough on each question
- Kevin Marks
Don't approve of the mangled bodies technique. But interviews with permanently disabled teenagers in one Alive at 25 program I saw was pretty effective in a little less gory way.
- Amyloo
Kevin... for some violations you can do an online class....some you can't
- Tina Chase Gillmor
2 hrs! Was she doing 280 on 280
- cliveb
I think you were better off... except for the pizza part
- Tina Chase Gillmor
it looks like the sun has set Kevins hair on fire
- Tina Chase Gillmor
New Zealand has some cool anti-drink drive ads using humour - unusual eg http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Hilary Talbot
Right on Doc, we're missing granular sharing biz model for billing content. Ads blow.
- cliveb
same for billing polygloy cloud services rather than freemium.
- cliveb
Goofy indeed
- Tina Chase Gillmor
In the UK, broadband provider Virgin Media announced on 20 April 2011 an intention to start trials with download speeds of 1.5 Gbit/s and upload of 150 Mbit/s based on DOCSIS3.0
- John Taschek
DOCSIS 3 is what xFinity/Comcast uses today.
- John Taschek
it depends how much you load each loop though
- Kevin Marks
Yes - but it is arbitrary. The bits can be flipped.
- John Taschek
Danny and Kevin's hairlines are lookin pretty good
- Tina Chase Gillmor
John calls the Google spring...
- cliveb
NZ theme video of the day. http://youtu.be/ATFxVB4JFpQ
- cliveb
Can someone please put together a laugh loop from this show? please we could use it when moments get tense
- Tina Chase Gillmor
like click and clack?
- Kevin Marks
see you Monday at Crunchies
- Kevin Marks
Crap is that Monday?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
let me check. No it's tuesday
- Kevin Marks
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standby .... racking everyone up
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Robert - you went offline?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Sorry, crashed. Up now.
- Robert Scoble
google blocked themselves from search
- Kevin Marks
hang on though haven't they failed to rank for 'search engine'
- Kevin Marks
can they still put a 'download chrome' link on the home page?
- Kevin Marks
After all that discussion -- Steve's original question -- what does this really mean?
- Brian Sullivan
practically won? 25% of vote...
- Kevin Marks
Nothing practically is my guess.
- Brian Sullivan
CES.. it ain't what it used to be.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
If John would sit up higher I could maybe get his name under him without cutting his mouth off ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I am not going to CES this year
- Francine Hardaway
YES
- Tina Chase Gillmor
it's a fade out
- Kevin Marks
A crisis -- a RIM style crisis -- I think not.
- Brian Sullivan
Windows Use Slides 2% Per Year; Mobility May Wedge It Farther and Faster - Lens360 http://bit.ly/ywZ4KQ
- John Taschek
I wish we could stop talking about patent lawsuits
- Francine Hardaway
vinyl sales up 44% in the UK last year
- Kevin Marks
BPI figures: https://docs.google.com/spreads...
- Kevin Marks
Were we not doing the Gillmor Gang in ''89? ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
kevin is always outside!
- Laura Norvig
the dogs are barking inside
- Kevin Marks
Robert locked up
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I have to reboot. Be right back.
- Robert Scoble
Getting a new improved Robert up!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
The cloud is eating TV - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
- John Taschek
The first Friday of 2012 and weird stuff started happening to the gang ;)
- Nir Ben Yona
I'm back up.
- Robert Scoble
HBO says cord cutting is a “temporary phenomenon”, HBO Go to stay tied to cable | VentureBeat http://bit.ly/yda1FE
- Stephen M
BItTorrent launched a new app called Share
- Kevin Marks
PhotoMatix is amazing HDR software
- Susan Beebe
my hands are super cold today. not nimble enough
- Tina Chase Gillmor
AirPlay needs to be explained better, good point.
- Susan Beebe
it's OK John
- Tina Chase Gillmor
AirPlay needs to be accessible from the Mac Pro
- Francine Hardaway
I thought Kevin said two lapdogs in the same room, but he actually said laptops #british accent
- Francine Hardaway
hahah :D
- Susan Beebe
I have 2 lapdogs too
- Kevin Marks
Directv has twitter and facebook integrated into their guide
- Stephen M
:) but are they connected? lol
- Susan Beebe
i tried it once, and i annoyed the other people watching tv with me
- Stephen M
right stephen, more than one screen is important
- Kevin Marks
what about ubuntu tv?
- Alex Williams
when Scrabble did the 'iPad for the board and iphones for the tiles" thing, it was funny, but the idea of shared plus private is important
- Kevin Marks
there is talk about ubuntu tv getting launched at ces. can it make a play?
- Alex Williams
Ubuntu? u mean linux? the OS widely known for their outstanding UI?
- Stephen M
XBOX 360 with one of the LIve TV partners is a great way to watch TV.. you just talk to it
- Stephen M
Unity is the Ubuntu UI - hated by the faithful meant for the masses.
- Alex Williams
My 70 year old mom loves her ViZio with the built in Netflix..she doesn't have to switch inputs, just just presses the Netflix button on the remote
- Stephen M
did you see the Doctor Who Literal Video of Total Eclipse of the Heart?
- Kevin Marks
And this 70 year old mom likes her AppleTV with the built in Netflix. She has trained herself (pant pant) to switch inputs. Could it be easier, I suppose. Is it great as it is, Yes.
- Francine Hardaway
Just "tuning" in and yay, sounds like this Gang is another TV show. I like those.
- Amyloo
ooooo, Kevin schooled Steve in vocabulary today. Interesting
- Tina Chase Gillmor
hey Amy!
- Hilary Talbot
I'm not sure I want everything on one screen. I like having two screens: the iPad, the TV.
- Francine Hardaway
I don't mind 'pressing input"... thats why i hooked up a HTPC to my TV... Windows Media Center is nice
- Stephen M
Hil! Hi! Hil Hi Hil Hi Hil Hi Hil.
- Amyloo
networks can't block that :)
- Stephen M
lol - still works!
- Hilary Talbot
people still watch CNN?
- Stephen M
Did I miss any SOPA discussion? Planned blackout, etc?
- Laura Norvig
Let's talk SOPA. Why the news blackout from NBC? Hmm...
- Alex Williams
Tablet in a Minute: AirPlay Mirroring and how to watch Hulu Plus on the Apple TV http://bit.ly/AqZbfz
- Stephen M
An Airplay Crash? How novel
- Francine Hardaway
Airplay crash, call in the NSTB investigative team
- Amyloo
Al Gore.. funny
- Susan Beebe
occupy SOPA
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Alex, I meant the plans to turn sites blank on January 26th or whatever date.
- Laura Norvig
haha Tina :)
- Susan Beebe
I finally have audio-only feed, hi everyone! Happy New Year from Kaula Lumpur (for this week). Am hearing a lot of talk about TV...the reason I go online is to get away from TV. Oh the irony. :)
- Charlie Isaacs
Recording industry dismisses alternate SOPA like bill proposed by Issa and Wyden http://bit.ly/AnOpLx
- Stephen M
Oh, you are just being an Angry Elf complaining about Elf availability :)
- Charlie Isaacs
I remember the BSA. I thought it was BS with very little A
- Francine Hardaway
Good question, Steve. How will SOPA affect how enterprise uses social tech?
- Alex Williams
isn't apple a part of BSA too?
- Stephen M
black bile or yellow bile
- Kevin Marks
get a VPN that exits in the UK and you can watch iPlayer, Danny
- Kevin Marks
http://www.bsa.org/country... <--list of Companies that are BSA members and by association support SOPA
- Stephen M
Whoa.. I'm realllly late..
- Kevin Costain
is this danny's story: http://www.npr.org/2012...
- Kevin Marks
based on public comments Microsoft has a legit claim against Comet
- Stephen M
that is huge!
- Laura Norvig
pushed to perform piracy. sounds nasty
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Kid's table panel LOL
- Susan Beebe
hmm...
- Kevin Costain
AT&T will be showing a 4G LTE Powered WIndows 8 tablet running Qualcomm
- Stephen M
chips
- Stephen M
sorry, scoble, no do-overs!
- Laura Norvig
what is that poker game, danny?
- Alex Williams
Stephen: will the battery life suck like it does on the Galaxy Nexus?
- Robert Scoble
which GN... CDMA or GSM?
- Stephen M
Will there ever be an Android phone that doesn't have crappy battery life?
- Kevin Costain
a really big one
- Kevin Marks
lol
- Susan Beebe
does the galaxy nexus run on a qualcomm chip(Snapdragon)?
- Stephen M
snapdragons seem to have better battery life.
- Stephen M
My Nexus S's battery life is crappppy
- Kevin Costain
DigiView digitizer wow that is old
- Susan Beebe
My HTC Titan's battery goes all day with heavy use
- Stephen M
AT&T LTE is excellent..if anyone wants to know
- Stephen M
Well, that was short (for me).. thanks everyone.. :)
- Kevin Costain
true that.. my eVO would only last a few hours
- Stephen M
i do miss the unlimited data tho :(
- Stephen M
What's the practical battery limit (normal to heavy use) of an iPhone 4S?
- Kevin Costain
bye
- Stephen M
CDMA or GSM? i think that makes a difference too
- Stephen M
I would be using GSM typically.. there are bunch of factors anyway right.. wifi, bluetooth..
- Kevin Costain
I CDMA
- uki purnama
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about to go live
- Steve Gillmor
Waiting for the famous call.
- Robert Scoble
Waiting also -- with a different audio/camera connection .. see how that works.
- John Taschek
Hey this works out very well. Get to watch live for once (9 to 5er in Central time). Plus, bonus! As I'm loading up the Kindle Fire I got for my parents, there are all these real geeks in chat to whom I can ask questions.
- Amyloo
almost up...holiday delay ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
did the xmas tree fall over?
- Kevin Marks
I'm hooked on, just a couple more minutes...
- Robert Scoble
What are you hooked on? Are you sharing?
- Charlie Isaacs
now putting xmas tree back up
- cliveb
Robert is hooked on life!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Hooked on Classics - famous in their day: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- John Taschek
he's hooked on videodrenaline
- Charlie Isaacs
Hooked on big screens and apps, of course!
- Robert Scoble
john trying to reach you. call newsgang4 on video
- Tina Chase Gillmor
...and by John I mean Taschek
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Doesn't show you're live. Let me try again.
- John Taschek
I'll tell Christmas jokes while we are waiting to stall for time. Did you hear that one of Santa's reindeer now works for Proctor and Gambel? [Its true, Comet cleans sinks!]
- Charlie Isaacs
we're up JOhn
- Tina Chase Gillmor
What nationality is Santa Claus? [North Polish.]
- Charlie Isaacs
Who delivers Christmas presents to dogs? Santa Paws
- Charlie Isaacs
everyone seems to have started the holidays early
- Tina Chase Gillmor
What did the buck say to the doe on Christmas Day? Merry Christmas, Dear!
- Charlie Isaacs
Charlie's rocking the xmas jokes
- cliveb
What did Larry want for Christmas? Two more search engines and 3 more Knowledge Management Systems
- Charlie Isaacs
Howdy y'all.
- Nir Ben Yona
Happy Birthday Ella!
- Charlie Isaacs
Don't tip the booze in the Tricaster
- cliveb
Oops, Scoble's mic was hot during that Harde comment :)
- Charlie Isaacs
Is it chai or cha?
- Michael Mahemoff
That was supposed to be a joke, sorry
- Charlie Isaacs
Merry Christmas, War is Over
- Kevin Marks
Lapsang souchong
- Kevin Marks
hi Robert - I'm joining the show live now too :)
- Ramon Ray
Flipscam hehehheheheheh
- Stephen Pickering
I have a way of seeing music from friends called http://www.last.fm/user...
- Kevin Marks
ok Im drinking coffee ....maybe there's some kalua in it
- Tina Chase Gillmor
we gonna talk about rypple ??
- studentforce
Favorite enterprise tech - Nodejs?
- cliveb
cliveb: definitely! studentforce: absolutely!
- Robert Scoble
Steve's boss (Marc Benioff) says we must listen to this video from wil.i.am: http://youtu.be/vjIwmJMqrco
- Robert Scoble
it aint LOGISTICS !!!
- studentforce
FedEx said that they used the incident as a "learning experience"
- Charlie Isaacs
like Google and Firefox?
- Kevin Marks
Xbox launches the Xphone and Xtv http://bit.ly/s71Qk1 (tongue in cheek)
- cliveb
said that their product GA schedule was misaligned with the conference. bullshit !
- studentforce
CES feels stale
- cliveb
i just rented the spce and will be doing the keynote !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- studentforce
hey cliveb I added sound effects to that FedEx video for fun :) http://youtu.be/PDF52CG71ug
- Charlie Isaacs
Exactly, Scobleizer is more real-time
- cliveb
he/she didin't buy enough this year (Best underBuy!)
- studentforce
CES is about Android.
- Charbax
Charbax: I think Mobile World Congress is a far bigger deal for Android.
- Robert Scoble
Best Buy really blew it
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Apple/Microsoft don't want to compete. They only want to use anticompetitive tactics and bogus patent lawsuits, they are desperate.
- Charbax
Year Robert, MWC is an even bigger Android show just a month later.
- Charbax
Tina, agree on Best Buy, that is going to hurt them
- Charlie Isaacs
Charlie - the old adage ship via FedX for less handling!
- cliveb
Last year there were 1500 booths at CES showcasing Android devices, 32 with Windows related devices, this year there'll be over 2500 booths at CES showcasing Android stuff and even fewer Windows Phone
- Charbax
android isn't just about phones any more
- Kevin Marks
Don’t make Amazon a monopoly... http://on.ft.com/sUsxfK
- cliveb
Google launched Google Video on a CES keynote
- Charbax
shoot I missed John doing a moose impression ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Googlet demonstrated honeycomb at the last CES http://www.pcmag.com/article...
- Charlie Isaacs
my guess $40 Million (or something like that) for the main pre keynote and biggest hall and promo materials, my guess Google will take it next year
- Charbax
Steve is drinking out of his John Lennon glass today
- Tina Chase Gillmor
the question for me is how many non-phone, non-tablet devices are running android charbax. Cameras, TVs, photo frames, etc
- Kevin Marks
Tell him to say "All we are saying is give peace a chance
- Charlie Isaacs
It sure as hell will never be Nokia ;) I agree Google will do it the year after next ... if the world hasn't ended.. obviously ;)
- kosso
Yeah Kevin, I wonder at which point Canon/Nikon/Sony/Panasonic/JVC start putting Android in their DSLR and point and shoots and camcorders, provide photo apps, direct picasa/flickr uploads. Maybe Google releases ARM Powered Google TV, Android laptops, Android platform for E Ink ereaders
- Charbax
My Jawbone Up told me that I was lethargic so I attached it to the back of Lance's bike
- Charlie Isaacs
within a year most HDTVs will have Google TV integrated
- Charbax
ARM Powered Google TV costs only $25 in parts to add to a HDTV including a 1080p webcam for Google+ Hangouts
- Charbax
War Is Over, Merry Christmas
- Kevin Marks
if Apple does a HDTV, I hope it's a Quad-HD 2160p 55" for less than $2000
- Charbax
HTC monday @ gtug (mostly Android) http://4sq.com/uiJIe0
- cliveb
But it is a good point. If stream is becoming limited by infrastructure provider plans and caps; why isn't that being solved by anyone. Last mile is limited. Spectrum is limited. What is the innovation to infrastructure that will solve it? Is anyone working on these to give us hope?
- Michael A. Romig
It'll work with White Spaces
- Charbax
plug in wires and it might work
- Jerome Hughes
WiFi spectrum was mean to use for micro ovens
- Charbax
zero wifi in the main room at le web unless you're on the ethernet tables
- Michael Mahemoff
the apple time capsule will act as a dual bandwidth access point. 2.4 and 5
- kosso
run wires to the TVs
- Kevin Marks
Homeland is good too
- Charbax
indeed: "Wires Work" ;)
- kosso
Spooks is the best show on TV (MI-5)
- Kevin Marks
"Darling I love you but give me Park Avenue" -- Arianna Huffington
- Charlie Isaacs
Boss !
- studentforce
"MI5"?? You mean "Spooks" !! :)
- kosso
Game of Thrones.. meh... Sean Bean can only play 'Sean Bean'.
- kosso
I typed Spooks
- Kevin Marks
lol
- kosso
You have to search for MI5 on netflix
- Kevin Marks
I gather the word 'spooks' has different, non-politically-correct connotations in the USA ;)
- kosso
CNN streams as does Al Jezerra (sp?) to my iPad
- studentforce
Before they lost every domain in existence
- Michael Mahemoff
There's 10 seasons of spooks?
- Charbax
Who owns Godaddy? Didn't they sell to someone recently?
- Charbax
yes, new CEO
- Kevin Marks
GoDaddy caved, and said they'll sit back and see what everyone else thinks - for now. Todd Cochrane from Geek News Central had a phone interview with Warren Adelman, the new GoDaddy CEO.
- kosso
KKR and Silver Lake Partners and Technology Crossover Ventures
- Charlie Isaacs
I think it's time Google got in to the Domain registration and DNS management business.
- kosso
@kosso - of course Sean Bean is no longer on the show ...
- John Taschek
I don't know how anyone was still on GoDaddy in the first place
- Michael Mahemoff
their advertising, especially
- Jerome Hughes
Easy to attack and also easy to move away from
- Michael Mahemoff
KKR and Silver Lake Partners paid $2.25 billion for Godaddy, maybe they want SOPA
- Charbax
I still have about 100 domains with them
- kosso
Why use GoDaddy when you can use Rackspace #shamelessplug
- Charlie Isaacs
I have google apps domains that are white label GoDaddy ones
- Kevin Marks
Wait a sec. They "caved", but if you read the press release they admit their General Counsel, Christine Jones, helped write it. Does anyone really think they are doing a full reversal here?
- Michael A. Romig
Would you buy domains from Google? And manage your DNS records through them? I would.
- kosso
Or NameCheap #shamelessfan
- Michael Mahemoff
Charlie: thank you!
- Robert Scoble
I do kosso, but they whitelabel through GoDaddy
- Kevin Marks
Google is technically an ICANN-accredited registrar
- Michael Mahemoff
it's about how many in that market take actions that are measurable
- Jerome Hughes
I'd like to host my wordpress and phpbb on Google App Engine and have Google handle domains too
- Charbax
I suggest http://hover.com/tummel Tucows (who sponsor my podcast)
- Kevin Marks
Kevin : interesting. I didn't know they did that. I think Google should do it all themselves. They could also strike some interesting info/ad deals for content etc.. it would be an interesting market. As if (someone like) GoDaddy got in to advertising a la adsense.
- kosso
baidu
- kosso
Maybe the content intermediaries don't want to loose their grip on the multi-trillion dollar content/influence industries
- Charbax
@ValaAfshar 1m What you need to know about SOPA (Stop Online Privacy Act) in 2012 - @rww rww.to/vDqJHv.
- studentforce
social media upends sopa...
- cliveb
Instead of SOPA our esteemed leadership should take out the evil Patent Trolls
- Charlie Isaacs
just move to Switzerland, we legalized piracy here last month
- Charbax
Even a Swiss watch is correct twice a day :-)
- Charlie Isaacs
The Internet Wins: Go Daddy Flip-Flops On SOPA by @JonMwords http://rww.to/u3UgwM
- studentforce
maybe Obama should just announce he'd veto any SOPA bill, that'd give him some online support
- Charbax
Then that lends credence to the SOPA purpose being much broader that safe havens. Like Forbes "The Gread SOPA Conspiracy" goo.gl/exQTR. The content providers want more "controls".
- Michael A. Romig
Charlie, definitely: Take out the evil Patent Trolls
- cliveb
yeah! aha! that password is gonna protect you
- studentforce
your printer cartridge is full, but too old
- Jerome Hughes
I think you are the victim of being an early adopter, not a conspiracy of dis-operability. Scoble's HDMI example aside.
- Michael A. Romig
We'll create an encrypted darknet if they try to block stuff, the prob is maybe they'll block or slow down all packets that look like they may be used for accessing the whole darknet
- Charbax
HDCP damages signal ON PURPOSE
- Kevin Marks
@Robert Same goes for fake Apple peripherals , they simply don't work anymore on Cupertino's iDevices.
- Nir Ben Yona
I have this image in my mind of Tina standing behind Steve with a whip making him ride faster on the exercise bike.
- Charlie Isaacs
as long as the content comes out of speakers and is displayed on the screen, it can be pirated
- Charbax
even new Macbooks have look ahead signal processor stopping streaming to > 1 daisy chained device (good luck at conferences)
- cliveb
SOPA companies can't yet install DRM in our ears and eyes
- Charbax
we only want to fly these drones over potential crime scenes
- Jerome Hughes
http://epeus.blogspot.com/2002... Charbax
- Kevin Marks
on the moon? I thought my expenses were bad
- Kevin Marks
4K2K Apple TV for under $2K, bring it on
- Charbax
Apple brings in a much bigger base than slingbox and legitimacy. People will partner with Apple rather than go to guns against them.
- Michael A. Romig
DRM Helmets - dang!
- cliveb
Charlie that's funny but instead I would like to get the bike to power the tv. If you keep the pace... no problem. If you get slow the picture deteriorates
- Tina Chase Gillmor
My smartphone poll: http://gopollgo.com/will-yo... Interesting demographic detail.
- Robert Scoble
my guess an Apple TV won't support DivX and MKV
- Charbax
+1 Tina (I need that for my son...) :)
- Charlie Isaacs
Plus I seemed to have misplaced my whip ;-(
- Tina Chase Gillmor
DoubleTwist will stream to AirPlay at the moment
- Kevin Marks
TWCable TV for iPad as another example. But I still won't buy cable from them having been "unplugged" now for several years.
- Michael A. Romig
Christmas is coming Tina
- Charlie Isaacs
voice controlled tv will come from Apple. Via Siri(ish)
- kosso
on the 6th day of Christmas my true-love gave to me... a bullwhip a crackin'
- Tina Chase Gillmor
If the set-top-box hardware costs $50 external and $25 internal, these types of functionalities aren't really a differentiator on a $1000-$2000 HDTV
- Charbax
Wifi is the standard, but maybe it shouldn't be. Why couldn't the market crack the WiMax nut, for example. What about the latest wireless bluetooth, will that compete?
- Michael A. Romig
you can maybe use ethernet over power line in your home http://www.frys.com/product...
- Charbax
Scoble is like MS Applications, consumes all available memory and network bandwidth
- Charlie Isaacs
everyone in Paris is getting a gigabit/s to the home, they are pulling cables through the Paris sewer system
- Charbax
Yeah the problem in Europe is you can take a short train ride to the conference and you're paying silly international rates for 3G
- Michael Mahemoff
More Open spectrum is a very good answer.
- Michael A. Romig
I heard T-Mobile is available now, they have available spectrum
- Charlie Isaacs
CCNx routers - Van Jacobson
- cliveb
Only in iPad 2 and iPhone 4S devices.
- Nir Ben Yona
do I need to move to Paris?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Dale J. Stephens @DaleJStephens 1m Nothing is more aggravating that not being able to communicate due to lack of Internet access.
- studentforce
ipad mirroring uses few kilobits/second, a HDMI out cable can use 20Gbps
- Charbax
Ask Apple to add an HDMI output on your iphone
- Charbax
Enterasys will http://www.enterasys.com/product...
- studentforce
cat 5
- Charlie Isaacs
It could happen, but it is the early adopter problem again. All it takes are those chips that support on the fly packet inspection and prioritization to get commoditized into home devices. Of course you can do that today with higher-end network solutions. Just not your house. So I'm thinking demand just isn't there yet for the market to give you what you want.
- Michael A. Romig
Enterasys RoamAbout® wireless offerings
- studentforce
I think the demand will grow very fast
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Android devices use the MHL connector/dock which is up to 20Gbps over HDMI, mirroring can't really compete with that. Mirroring is for glorified remote controlling
- Charbax
Scoble has an OC192 coming into his house
- Charlie Isaacs
I think you should end the show NOW !!
- studentforce
watch-out for DRM in Tricaster HD...
- cliveb
Apple doesn't want to include HDMI outputs cause they want you to buy extra devices
- Charbax
some of us have been doing this with wires and projectors for many years
- Jerome Hughes
if you have a popular YouTube account they encode your HD videos in realtime
- Charbax
are you holding your iphone with your left hand?
- Charbax
Scoble ran cables out of his windows and down the stairway
- Charlie Isaacs
Charlie: nope. Just wifi. But my airport express is right over my downstairs TV.
- Robert Scoble
I don't think the politicians/Obama are corrupt
- Charbax
Apple needs to copy Sonos. I have Sonos setup in 8 rooms with Spotify and MOG and zero issues with wireless. They use their own mesh network in the house.
- Jim Long
Just use http://www.frys.com/product... and a second WiFi router
- Charbax
Politicians are persuadable by face to face speech. Trouble is that most people they talk to face to face are lobbyists.
- Kevin Marks
Google/Apple/M$/Intel/HP need to put the Billions on the table and buy congress
- Charbax
Hey now. We have several congressmen that overlap in Austin. Remember this just came down: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... so it all has to be redone.
- Michael A. Romig
@Jim - love Sonos.
- John Taschek
the political conversation is coming back... do I smell a NewsGang?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Apple and Microsoft support SOPA? http://venturebeat.com/2011...
- Charbax
michael - find out when Lamar is appearing in public over xmas and talk to him
- Kevin Marks
@charbax powerline is not all that great, and very unpredictable. A better solution is MOCA if you want to get to other rooms and have coax.
- Jim Long
can you talk about sex and religion when you are done with politics? :-p
- Charlie Isaacs
invite Arianna on the show next time?
- Charbax
is robert drinking whisky out of a jamjar?
- Kevin Marks
cider here.
- kosso
Authentic local Somerset cider here in the UK.
- kosso
Created by Jon Lech - aka "DVD Jon"
- kosso
DoubleTwist.. obviously.. not the cider ;)
- kosso
First World Problems: http://www.reddit.com/r...
- Michael A. Romig
SOPA : Stop Online Piracy Act
- kosso
How about Second World Problems?
- Kevin Marks
Correct! It looks too much like Google Plus (Quora)
- kosso
Propitious Yuletide
- Kevin Marks
Happy Hogswatch
- Kevin Marks
Jolly Holidays!
- kosso
irreverent toast to all unfollow scripts
- cliveb
Kevin: I use Reidel glasses to drink my whisky.
- Robert Scoble
Happy Happy everyone!
- Charlie Isaacs
Thanks for joining us!
- Robert Scoble
Happy holidays!
- Nir Ben Yona
Cheers from the UK! Have a good one! ;)
- kosso
Double Cheers! Have Fun! Happy Holidays!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
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- lucyjohnson91
Streaming to a nightlight is beyond wasteful. Having computers in the bedrooms of kids is not a good idea. You need to read up on your child policies.
- marstein
weird echo
- Alex Williams
Re: The Readerpocalypse, or Occupy Google Reader - 0xDECAFBAD - http://decafbad.com/blog...
"Hey Les. Just realizing the new deal breaks a couple widgets I use at work that drew from Reader's shared items feed. Crap. It's not the first time I have been thwarted by Google in this way. They're not that open contrary to what they say or like to think of themselves. When a change becomes a snag for you, somehow or another it turns out to benefit them -- in this case by disallowing shared items from being displayed on a page that's not theirs. Thinking of trying Tumblr or something as the vehicle for non-technical users to make a feed."
- Amyloo
Re: Scripting News: A deficit of chutzpah - http://scripting.com/stories...
"More boldness would be a really good thing. Another sort of related thing I've been thinking, just generally: even though reality has become too real, people seldom seem to say what's real anymore. It's as if everyone thinks they have to be a politician or diplomat or PR flack, saying what they think people want to hear ..."
- Amyloo
Re: Tear Gas and Petrol Bombs: Protests In Literature - http://mhpbooks.com/40870...
"Eliot's Felix Holt?"
- Amyloo
Re: Scripting News: Engaging with Irene - http://scripting.com/stories...
"[You're] "thinking about the commercials. "You've got 65 million people at home, most people not at parties (I imagine). Why isn't someone doing something creative with the commercials? " Or maybe something not to distract them but something that's related but more constructive than fretting. I don't know if there is an evidence for this, but I remember working as one of PIP Printing's many agencies around the time of the first Gulf War. They happened to have a big schedule on CNN at the time and were jazzed the spots were seen by so many people but also worried they might come to associate the company with war. Just heard from my son in Jersey City. They never lost power; biggest problem was freaked-out cats. I guess the wind is stronger up at the 25th floor level. "Overblown" might be a good word for the advance coverage, but better to be prepared."
- Amyloo
Re: Scripting News: Engaging with Irene - http://www.disqus.com/people...
"[You're] "thinking about the commercials. "You've got 65 million people at home, most people not at parties (I imagine). Why isn't someone doing something creative with the commercials? " Or maybe something not to distract them but something that's related but more constructive than fretting. I don't know if there is an evidence for this, but I remember working as one of PIP Printing's many agencies around the time of the first Gulf War. They happened to have a big schedule on CNN at the time and were jazzed the spots were seen by so many people but also worried they might come to associate the company with war. Just heard from my son in Jersey City. They never lost power; biggest problem was freaked-out cats. I guess the wild is stronger up at the 25th floor level. "Overblown" might be a good word for the advance coverage, but better to be prepared."
- Amyloo
Gillmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PST participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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Waiting for the famous call. I hear John Borthwick (a Venture Capitalist from UK) will be on the call today along with most of the usual suspects.
- Robert Scoble
ok then.
- Aron Michalski
:-) Of course we're also testing out the new Skype, which is causing problems.
- Robert Scoble
stand by
- Steve Gillmor
Hey Aron, Robert. Getting a rare chance to listen live.
- Amyloo
hi there. been a while!
- Aron Michalski
Hey everyone!
- Nir Ben Yona
Hi Aron. Hope your weekend is treating you well.
- Nir Ben Yona
Aron, yup, not everybody has wild-ass jobs like you! Most are more regular and mundane. Hi Nir.
- Amyloo
Hi Amyloo ;)
- Nir Ben Yona
ah, I'm kinda rocking out to spotify ... guess I'll turn that down now.
- Laura Norvig
amazing that spottily isn't available in Canada, but not surprised either
- Michael Roberts
hi, all!
- Jerome Hughes
hey j
- Amyloo
hi a - it's good to be half back
- Jerome Hughes
A half back? Like a tail back?
- Aron Michalski
yes, but at the laundry
- Jerome Hughes
like adding yourself into a list vs. leaving yourself out, provides frame of reference of flow in time
- Jerome Hughes
Is this interesting for those who get about 5 responses a week on Twitter?
- Aron Michalski
Scoble, you see the profile icons in Google Chrome 15?
- Vezquex
It's nice to know when someone is following you.. other clients do this..
- Kevin Costain
if you follow those who interact
- Jerome Hughes
I wonder...
- Aron Michalski
I guess I'm gonna go out and work on tweeting something worth responding to...
- Aron Michalski
gesture bleed from service to service, have been seeing some such things on #FB for a long time "x and x are now friends" though possibly more privately
- Jerome Hughes
Showyou is interesting...
- Aron Michalski
Showyou really rocks!
- Nir Ben Yona
will make thumbnail more important
- Jerome Hughes
sorry JohnTaschek -I dont know why I lost #4 but I did and cant fix the problem
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Gotta figure out where that scrape occurs...
- Aron Michalski
Tina -- I think xfinity was jealous of my 4G speeds and something was lost. I'll be lurking here on FF.
- John Taschek
BBM; Anarchy in the UK song in new ad...
- Aron Michalski
False. Teens love the apps, which you can only get on iOS or Android.
- Vezquex
It's all about control, no?
- Kevin Costain
BBM network is fast, realtime and avoids the cloud.
- Aron Michalski
http://action.openrightsgroup.org/ea-acti... petition against twitter blocking
- Kevin Marks
For many years it was the absolute best way to communicate in realtime internationally without additional charges.
- Aron Michalski
So crazy to be frightened of the medium. Was it Doc Searls who talked about the silliness of considering monetizing your front porch? Same thing. Blame the front porch if someone is conspiring on it.
- Amyloo
they will create chaos here if they cut communications off when they think they should. what?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
An API for Google Maps that shows zombies where the riots are occurring?
- Aron Michalski
is Blackberry going to further lose business users by association with rioters?
- Kevin Marks
iPod Touch for Christmas.
- Vezquex
Have fun, missing the gang, have company over today.
- Christian Burns
from Android
The first thing they used to do in a coup was close the newspapers and seize the TV stations.
- Aron Michalski
The revolution will not be televised?
- Vezquex
exactly - sieze the central control
- Kevin Marks
no, but it will be streamed live!
- Laura Norvig
RIM could work the anti-establishment angle for marketshare ;-)
- Aron Michalski
But now if you close the cell network, the info is delayed and the realtime nature avoids the momentum.
- Aron Michalski
your quote information has been delayed by 20 minutes
- Jerome Hughes
so you set up cell scramblers for the mob frequency, the fuzz uses the upper freqs.
- Aron Michalski
Then, as is being mentioned, triangulate and use the cell phones as homing beacons.
- Aron Michalski
that's a scary thought, aron. we're lambs.
- Amyloo
they don't need to install chips under our skin; we're holding them to the sides of our heads.
- Aron Michalski
Burner phones and limited connectivity is the safest wat to use the service.
- Aron Michalski
our addiction is their greatest ability to track us, if they're cops, advertisers or data miners.
- Aron Michalski
We freely give our preferences and location for STICKERS. They get a bit more.
- Aron Michalski
you have to have the input to filter the output
- Jerome Hughes
Noise control is only important to those who actually listen.
- Aron Michalski
https://plus.google.com/notific... lets you filter
- Kevin Marks
I just realized Robert has been talking about filtering for years. I think he's a closet librarian.
- Laura Norvig
aaah, here's the class argument. You want to mine my data Scoble? I guess I'll have to become more popular.
- Aron Michalski
:-)
- Robert Scoble
Klout shout give points for shutting up. Our fearless leader often says that what is not said can be more important.
- Aron Michalski
Robert only cares about filtering because he has a million friends. Under 1000, who cares?
- Vezquex
Scoble is a hoarder. It's an interesting realm to be in, data hoarding but it's not for everyone. Or for that matter, most any individual other than Scoble.
- Aron Michalski
surely K counts babbling against you, etc.
- Jerome Hughes
not you specifically, Aron :D
- Jerome Hughes
He doesn't have access to my stream, as he stated a while back that he doesn't care. He lost my vote and access to my data.
- Aron Michalski
I don't look at his either. One less filter needed.
- Aron Michalski
Trying to decipher what Steve just said about Google Search and Twitter.
- Darren
More people does not equal more interesting!!!
- Aron Michalski
More interesting people equals more engagement.
- Aron Michalski
if you built NYC from scratch it would be like Brasilia
- Kevin Marks
If you built NYC from scratch again it would suck and not be NYC.
- Aron Michalski
Twitter hasn't evolved organically in over 2 years. If they were, they wouldn't have moved against the developer community that made them such a success story.
- Darren
+1 Darren
- Aron Michalski
+2 Darren
- Nir Ben Yona
and now that they have a reason to... let a few drops out of the pipeline
- Jerome Hughes
Jack on, Jack off.
- Aron Michalski
HE SAID "TRACK!" Take a drink.
- Vezquex
Anytime he says Track I inject a cocktail of valarian root and Cymbalta into my neck.
- Aron Michalski
…, Synthesize, Harmonize… http://www.pbs.org/idealab...
- Jerome Hughes
shock absorber
- Jerome Hughes
2 words: Games + Hangouts
- Darren
Hence the hoods.
- Aron Michalski
with enough funding
- Jerome Hughes
Imagine; parenting.
- Aron Michalski
yup. Ever look at your Picasa account and its facial stuff?
- Aron Michalski
ding ding ding
- Darren
G+
- Darren
John T... can you hop on now?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
or a basket gets woven
- Jerome Hughes
aaaaaaand the instant upload. Before you know they have it, they have it.
- Aron Michalski
Scoble, it's less about owning your own data and more about being able to personalize your experience.
- Darren
No chance for Heello unless they manage to penetrate the Chinese market or so.
- Nir Ben Yona
Putting back on my decoder ring.
- Darren
Flipboard: The full page ads included in the articles...
- Aron Michalski
which is little compared to its relations to other such items and their originators / consumers
- Jerome Hughes
that's Dave Winer
- Kevin Marks
send back a dm advising to reset password, most respond apologizing
- Jerome Hughes
DM? From people you don't know? Hmmm.
- Aron Michalski
drop your applications and change your password it should go away - some are from those you "sort of" know
- Jerome Hughes
well, scoble follows a lto fo people he doesn't know
- Kevin Marks
No different than any message on Facebook "I can't believe I can see who's looking at my profile".
- Darren
it's from people you follow
- Kevin Marks
"Did you really say this about me? one of your followers sent me this"
- Jerome Hughes
"One of my followers is saying really bad things about you heres the profile"
- Jerome Hughes
I guess it's a disadvantage to those with tens of thousands of people in their circle.
- Aron Michalski
Steve, they've provided 80% of what they're offering in the streaming APIs for the last 2 years.
- Darren
or 5k they manage - interesting how many turn out to be actual and hoodwinked instead of calculating
- Jerome Hughes
oh the irony.
- Aron Michalski
should say "Spending" event.
- Aron Michalski
or optimization, finding what matters
- Jerome Hughes
kind of like using a firehose as a Waterpik.
- Aron Michalski
parts per million -> trillion
- Jerome Hughes
I'm thinking about joining a photo sharing service where I only follow VCs who share food photos. Imagine what I could learn then!
- Aron Michalski
if there were another service's flow, perhaps
- Jerome Hughes
I want photos of rich people's food...
- Aron Michalski
...with a filter for brussel sprouts.
- Aron Michalski
smell-o-vision
- Jerome Hughes
I'll never miss a rare steak again...
- Aron Michalski
that was one thing I did this week, I patched nanoTweeter so it worked agin
- Kevin Marks
"I don't care about that". Yup, social is the wrong word for some people.
- Aron Michalski
Try talking to one person about one thing that actually matters.
- Aron Michalski
valuable workarounds
- Jerome Hughes
I just realized how utterly and completely fraught with jargon these weekly talks are. I live in two worlds. Most of my friends would be sure this is a different language.
- Laura Norvig
when is the google plus api coming?
- Michael Roberts
Thanks Kevin.
- Aron Michalski
they didn't say yet
- Kevin Marks
Thanks. Cya next time!
- Nir Ben Yona
thanks Tina, thanks everyone!
- Aron Michalski
great show!
- Michael Roberts
thanks, all
- Jerome Hughes
thanks to everyone. can't say enough how much we love and enjoy the chat and how much it adds to the show.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
be neat to have a post-Gillmor Gang - google plus hangout
- Michael Roberts
I'm glad to bring the bitterness and hold the brussel sprouts.
- Aron Michalski
anyone is free to create a hangout -
- Tina Chase Gillmor
this is the one hour a week I'm allowed to slack off...back to the grindstone...
- Aron Michalski
BTW Tina, they pushed us back to Wednesday next week. But' I should be there until Sept 10th or so.
- Aron Michalski
looking forward to it Aron
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Moe - I never left. I think the conversation left me -- but it was in great hands with the Danny and Robert discussion.
- John Taschek
Re: Scripting News: Cowboy-up and pay your taxes, dude - http://www.disqus.com/people...
""When I hear that business people are not hiring for fear of this or that, it makes me sad." Me too, but it also makes me feel like Dave and Anna Maria do about the revered "job creators." They are positioning themselves as a bunch of babies instead of the rock solid foundation of America when they whimper, "We're scared to hire or expand," all the while piling up cash and issuing record bonuses and dividends. It doesn't inspire a lot of confidence."
- Amyloo
Re: Scripting News: Cowboy-up and pay your taxes, dude - http://scripting.com/stories...
""When I hear that business people are not hiring for fear of this or that, it makes me sad." Me too, but it also makes me feel like Dave and Anna Maria do about the revered "job creators." They are positioning themselves as a bunch of babies instead of the rock solid foundation of America when they whimper, "We're scared to hire or expand," all the while piling up cash and issuing record bonuses and dividends. It doesn't inspire a lot of confidence."
- Amyloo
Re: Hair Balls - Pete Vonder Haar - Sarah Palin Sneak Preview: The Agony of <em>The Undefeated</em> - http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairbal...
"I think the ship has sailed. There's nobody still on the fence about Palin. Tour of favorable ratings: http://www.screencast.com/t/zu..."
- Amyloo
Re: Hair Balls - Pete Vonder Haar - Sarah Palin Sneak Preview: The Agony of <em>The Undefeated</em> - http://www.disqus.com/people...
"I think the ship has sailed. There's nobody still on the fence about Palin. Tour of favorable ratings: http://www.screencast.com/t/zu..."
- Amyloo
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- Paul E. Ester
Don't forget to talk about Weiner, the politician brought down by a missing "d".
- Paul E. Ester
Well, what do you know, a GillmorGang at a time I can actually watch live.
- PXLated
Nice surprise
- cliveb
Coolio! I'm standing by waiting for the call.
- Robert Scoble
I have NO IDEA what we're talking about today! ;-)
- Robert Scoble
3 min after! Should be on in about 10 more?
- Ralph Henson
the huge news story today - that Minecraft is coming on xbox
- Kevin Marks
That changes EVERYTHING!
- Ralph Henson
hi everyone. Happy Monday! y'all ready?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Ralph: we're hooking it all up.
- Robert Scoble
Give us a couple more minutes.
- Robert Scoble
Can't wait to see 'Gillmor in the Cloud'!
- Ralph Henson
Ralph: YouTube is coming to Xbox. I'm so excited!
- Robert Scoble
Kevin, did you attend the Apple event?
- Amyloo
I clicked on the wrong live feed this AM as saw all this x-box shit. WTF?
- Ralph Henson
Twitter is moving fast tonight for some reason. Did some cool company announce something?
- Robert Scoble
I didn't attend, but I watched the stream
- Kevin Marks
I think Steve will be disappointed - Apple TV ..er airplay still seem to be a side show - for the most part
- Michael Roberts
Michael: well, Apple has Airplay. Google and Microsoft doesn't.
- Robert Scoble
And, they had to save something for the new iPhone announcement in August.
- Robert Scoble
my android devices send to airplay via DoubleTwist
- Kevin Marks
xbox is gonna be the household entertainment hub
- Tim Jones
Seems to be more a distribution solution than a stream solution
- Ralph Henson
Ralph, I'd pay to see Stve in a God robe costume sitting on a cloud
- Amyloo
Here we go
- Mark Vaske
It's the "iSteveGillmor" show.
- Robert Scoble
version history. see changes between docs
- Mark Vaske
Depth of Cupertio vs Skin deep Redmond
- cliveb
cliveb: yup. Microsoft is in real trouble.
- Robert Scoble
It is worse for Windows Phone 7. No developer I'm talking with is betting on it. The VC market is betting actively against it.
- Robert Scoble
remind me... what does Microsoft do?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
What about what Apple did to their developers.
- Francine Hardaway
Francine: they paid them $2 billion in past two years. They will get over it. They have no other choice.
- Robert Scoble
post anything your doing to twitter. free advertising.
- Mark Vaske
there's a twitter API meeting wednesday night
- Kevin Marks
Sounds a lot like what Twitter did, Robert
- Francine Hardaway
the imagicnation's drying up in Cupertino, all those iPhone stuff today's is trying to catch up to Android
- Tim Jones
Francine: except Twitter hasn't shown us any new features to keep the infrastructure excited.
- Robert Scoble
Would like to hear views on the robustness/richness of native apps & cloud combination vs the thinness of say Google docs - To me, there's no comparison.
- PXLated
Saturday saw MSFT deliberately shifting strategy from marketing to design (Unicorn of love - Hanselman) huge catch up
- cliveb
PXLated: I'd love to hear more from you on what you think about that.
- Robert Scoble
that's a good airplay feature.. but not necessarily innovative.. just a logical feature to have
- Michael Roberts
what is iMessenger's user ID ?
- cxx dxx
Robert - I think there is just so much more one can do with native apps than you can ever do on one size fits all cloud apps.
- PXLated
Right. We'll get into that shortly.
- Robert Scoble
they have been busy doing all of what they announced today.
- Mark Vaske
Wonders if John's up for smuggling Branston Pickle
- cliveb
you can buy branston here
- Kevin Marks
Branston, wow. never thought i'd see that mentioned in a Gillmor Gang chat.
- Jamie
iCloud == DropBox for iOS ?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
GOing to London in July. Will investigate
- Francine Hardaway
AFAIK there is no arbitrary file backup
- Jamie
Apple did well with icloud - but the problem is most of it isn't designed for groups (although calendar thankfully now is more like google calendar) but how does this work with a family let alone a company.. it's perfect for the mobile - me person.. who uses different machines.
- Michael Roberts
Yes, bear
- Francine Hardaway
Jamie: this Gillmor Gang brought to you by Christopher Creek winery, which is what I'm drinking tonight. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
iCloud APIS? I remember dotmac APIs http://developer.apple.com/interne...
- Kevin Marks
so not a dropbox killer, but a very needed component in the platform > backup and restore of app data
- Jamie
Exactly, Robert
- Francine Hardaway
Scobilizer on KV DB making me drool
- cliveb
Jamie - but file features are not a part of iPad/iPhone
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
true
- Jamie
the twitter integration is much deeper than I anticipated. "There is follow graph synchronization, which enables you to bootstrap a user's social graph for your app."
- Jamie
Every new feature listed http://www.maclife.com/article...
- Mark Vaske
push notifications to multiple end-points over the "cloud" has always been a big-infra problem - Apple *had* to solve it since their infrastructure is so closed
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
wow, lots of hydration going on behind the scenes
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina: well, it's 5:30 pm!
- Robert Scoble
I am drinking a red wine called Cupcake:-) It's everything
- Francine Hardaway
right, robert. I should have thougt about it myself. My switching might be better under the influence
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Kevin, Jamie - so want giant Branston w/o price gouging
- cliveb
for me, Branston smooth > chunks
- Jamie
im in the UK though - no idea where you get it in the States
- Jamie
all 250 features in Lion: http://www.apple.com/macosx...
- Jamie
Apple announcements represent a new shift in the center of gravity. Android oops. Desktop oops. Desktop era software oops
- Keith Teare
Yes. Apple owns us now
- Francine Hardaway
Keith: we are firmly in Steve Jobs pocket!
- Robert Scoble
please discuss the location aware reminders!
- Mark Vaske
Shit, even on vacation I'm giving him money. Isn't he majority shareholder in Disney?
- Robert Scoble
Mark: I missed those.
- Robert Scoble
@Borthwick. Careful (Shhh).... Awesome for just.me today BTW
- Keith Teare
I will love that feature
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Those were the things that replace Remember the Milk, Robert
- Francine Hardaway
First opportunity to watch GG live - always watch the podcast - Didn't realize all these ads were thrown at ya live.
- PXLated
twitter address book feature too late to same Congressman Weiner?
- Ralph Henson
Francine: cool.
- Robert Scoble
FB burned Apple with Ping over FB Connect. Hence the public snub.
- Jamie
not majority, but largest shareholder
- Kevin Marks
That said, good luck making iMessage work without FB Connect.
- Jamie
Robert: you can set a location in your individual reminder. ie call when you get home pops up upon arriving home.
- Mark Vaske
Ralph: that guy is an idiot. It's always the lying about the sex that will get you in trouble.
- Robert Scoble
adding friends via email - no thanks
- Jamie
Robert, that was a joke!
- Ralph Henson
Facebook would be crazy to align like that
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Agree. You can have phone sex, twext, whatever, but don't lie
- Francine Hardaway
I survived the photos of me kissing a guy in London at a party. Why? I didn't lie about it. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
pinot robert?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
No. You survived because no one cares:-)
- Francine Hardaway
"Whenever someone tries to reach you, the FaceTime call rings through on every Mac you own even if FaceTime isn’t running."
- Jamie
Tina: Cab.
- Robert Scoble
Tina: but Maryam likes the Pinot better. Christopher Creek is the best in Sonoma at doing that.
- Robert Scoble
Or maybe it was expected behavior Robert :-)
- PXLated
Scoble. Yes, but its a nice pocket with lots of room to do stuff.
- Keith Teare
Beginning of the end of Windows UI
- cliveb
PXLated: exactly! ;-)
- Robert Scoble
now waiting for android to catch up on things it lacks vs iOS
- Mark Vaske
nobody has ever said modal notifications were better Kevin
- Jamie
even MG
- Jamie
MG said it was irrelevant
- Kevin Marks
wrong time to give my iPhone4 to a friend I guess :/
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
then he is an idiot
- Jamie
untethering the ipad from the PC I think is huge.. I really wonder how many developers (like twitter) will make the ipad - or tablets the primary platform for development and the PC the secondary development platform
- Michael Roberts
Kevin/Louis live in that world where you cut off your nose to spite your face :-)
- PXLated
Love Christopher Creek Pinot
- Francine Hardaway
What did MG say?
- Robert Scoble
Scoble is goofin with me
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina: having fun!
- Robert Scoble
Your commenters were incredible, Steve
- Francine Hardaway
I want to know what Kevin is drinking. He's contentious tonight:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Francine: he's a Google fan, I'd be contentious too on an evening like this.
- Robert Scoble
they have about 70% of my music. Spotify about 40%
- Jamie
did you see this piece yet? 10 apps or services Apple just killed. http://www.maclife.com/article...
- paisano
A rabid Google fan:-)
- Francine Hardaway
25/year gives you access to 18,000,000 songs. the rest you can put in your 5 gbs
- Mark Vaske
Robert - Exactly
- PXLated
no kevin
- Jamie
you get 25,000 tracks
- Jamie
for $25
- Jamie
Steve is correct, as usual. lol
- Jamie
they didnt specify
- Mark Vaske
It's a very bad day to be a Google fan :-)
- PXLated
they did specify. 5gb is app data basically
- Jamie
That's a lot of app data.
- Robert Scoble
music is excluded from the 5gb. its unlimited for itunes purchases, but 25,000 for the matching service
- Jamie
GG haz my vote for superseding PBS NewsHour
- cliveb
John: the service that cost 25 mirrors the now itunes tracks in your library
- Mark Vaske
non*
- Mark Vaske
I have no idea how the labels were dragged into this
- Jamie
i mean, how apple got them to agree to it
- Jamie
Jamie - Isn't it that they now at least get paid something for all those pirated songs?
- PXLated
@jamie - "magic"...?
- Mark Vaske
Jamie: money money money money!
- Robert Scoble
possibly PXL
- Jamie
you can keep your version if its already there
- Mark Vaske
though I can sign up for one year then cancel. I have automatically legitimised all my illegal rips.
- Jamie
$25 gets you music from the 18 million tracks they have from the big labels.
- Kevin Marks
I don't know anyone older that can tell the difference
- PXLated
then the half gig of other music you have you put it onto the free service
- Mark Vaske
lots of independents on iTunes. easy to upload your work.
- Jamie
Lady gag
- paisano
you have the beatles, but not the grateful dead
- Kevin Marks
he DOES listen to Gaga
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Steve is so hip. I downloaded it from Amazon
- Francine Hardaway
iBooks style liner notes. Im in
- Mark Vaske
physical media.... bleh
- Jamie
he plays gaga on turntable
- Kevin Marks
get soundcrank.com for lyrics and album art
- paisano
I think its game over - agree with Steve
- Keith Teare
Don't see today's wwdc helped Steven Sinofsky, rather put him under massive pressure
- cliveb
I dont think it is game over until apple follows up with an all you can eat service
- Jamie
cant wait for movies and tv shows now!!!
- Mark Vaske
also this continues to make apple tv a power house
- Mark Vaske
if apple adds ping to icloud & imessage they will have serious facebook challenger
- paisano
being a network ops type person, all I can think about is how much comcast is going to suck out of my wallet with the increase in streaming my personal use will cause
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
cliveb: Steven Sinofsky is gonna struggle. Win8 is late.
- Robert Scoble
cliveb: the game has changed and the Microsoft execs don't quite realize it yet.
- Robert Scoble
The question "What is the Cloud?" and How does it operate with (a) the desktop and (b) mobile devices now has a new answer. Facebook is the BIG loser
- Keith Teare
did they say anything about video?
- Amyloo
the carriers found out when we did
- Jamie
not much about video, no
- Kevin Marks
cliveb: all I need to know is walk through Facebook's dev group. It's 90% Mac, despite Microsoft investing in Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
@amyloo, not yet, but its in the works
- Mark Vaske
And even though Twitter is a winner its only a small win. Apple and users are big winners
- Keith Teare
Same thing at VMware. Same thing in many Silicon Valley companies (in fact all startups I've been in lately).
- Robert Scoble
Ping should be the name for iMessage. what a screw up
- Jamie
Keith: agreed. Twitter is in the middle of managerial chaos. Twitter's win is thanks to the folks who started LaLa.
- Robert Scoble
yes, I thought that
- Kevin Marks
@robert huge win for devs
- Mark Vaske
lively chat... such a hugepart of our show
- Tina Chase Gillmor
video down for me :( think it is just my end though
- Jamie
tweetdeck still much better for multiple accounts and creating columns for hashtag tracking scheduling tweets etc
- paisano
me also
- Mark Vaske
Robert: Feeling Redmond is shifting strategy from marketing to design (not sure from top down or bottom up)
- cliveb
:-(
- Ralph Henson
Down here also
- PXLated
I wonder how long tweetdeck will be kept around
- Jamie
lost the feed
- Keith Teare
Too bad, best Gillmor Gang ever
- Ralph Henson
having two clients for the mac, iphone and android just seems dumb
- Jamie
Getting an Off Air screen
- PXLated
@jamie true...twitter will try to add tweetdeck elements to weak web UI
- paisano
Funny, Twitter went down.
- Robert Scoble
down here. I heard until “if you integrate with us…” I was hoping to hear you guys discussing this apparent stab at Facebook with Twitter integration.
- Miguel
we're workin onit folks...
- Tina Chase Gillmor
today's announcements were as important in some ways as the iphone and ipad unveilings..icloud severes the tie to the pc age
- paisano
It's up here, so hang out a second.
- Robert Scoble
Do feel a bit sorry for Marko at Instapaper but he says he expects to prosper
- Ralph Henson
Twitter went down for me, which is funny.
- Robert Scoble
just back for me
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Vid back
- PXLated
back
- Jamie
no mention of ping...how odd
- paisano
You guys do an awesome job, thanks to rackspace, tricaster and salesforce :) and Tina
- Paul E. Ester
loved the joke about mobileme... high point of event
- paisano
it will be good for Marco. widens the market. he will always have the edge for features. i.e. Reading Lists is Safari only. what is that, 5% of the desktop market?
- Jamie
aw shucks Paul thanks
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Danny is on twitter saying apple's cloud strategy is playing catchup now...
- Mark Vaske
Google docs = Pathetic = Yes :-)
- PXLated
office 365 might impress
- paisano
Danny is crazy
- Jamie
John hit it on the nose - Google = UGLY
- PXLated
docs and open with version histories perhaps?
- Mark Vaske
The Beatles landed on iTunes Nov.16 2010. It is a scary and bold statement to say that iTunes have 99% of the music we care about. I love simplicity of iTunes and Apple, but we must embrace all music and art !!! -like we must love all people, regardless of race, skin or color. Shame on you :-)
- Fredrik Darum
It will push Google but KILL Microsoft
- Ralph Henson
MS looks pretty strong to me. Office 365 kills Google Docs. WP7 so much more refined and powerful than Android. Their media story is that much stronger. Then there is the gaming side (that dashboard today looked awful like apps coming to xbox).
- Jamie
Do you think it'll be easier for Apple to add collaboration or Google to grow a right-brain?
- PXLated
are you trolling me, Jamie?
- Kevin Marks
absolutely not.
- Jamie
@kevin did they say the version history disappeared. I didn't see it. I saw options to lock a document to create a template...
- Mark Vaske
yes, Phil Schiller sais 'when you email it, the history is not sent' - they have CVS, not git
- Kevin Marks
ok i believe you
- Mark Vaske
JohnT: sometimes being boring turns real exciting. Consumerized enterprise must be coming w/ a bang.
- cliveb
i keep thinking friendfeed was dead...why has facebook kept it going? Glad..but surprised they didn't just take its features and kill it
- paisano
"Lion's built-in screen sharing will work with Apple IDs."
- Jamie
Good to hear Scoblizer tell about Enterprise on the Apple
- cliveb
@cliveb - totally agree - consumerized enterprises are the current and future kings/not the past.
- John Taschek
using windows apps on macs? that's a very particular hell
- Kevin Marks
salesforce is soiling themselves now
- paisano
windows mass of apps are 10+ years old. Apps from iOS are under 5 years old and many are ported right into the mac app store
- Mark Vaske
Kevin: heh, they aren't that bad. I still run WIndows on my Mac occassionally.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: most iOS apps are less than two years old.
- Robert Scoble
windows won the enterprise because of apps, and now their apps are old
- Mark Vaske
@robert - exactly
- Mark Vaske
Doesn't anyone care that Apple has so much control? Apple and Facebook
- Francine Hardaway
Forget Microsoft
- Francine Hardaway
90% of corp workforce does not need Office - If they don't need Office, they don't need Microsoft
- PXLated
I'm in IT and still spend a buttload on Microsoft licenses ...glad it's the post pc era...sheesh
- paisano
It might even be 98%
- PXLated
minecraft on xbox - imagine the kinect integration
- Kevin Marks
even vmware enterprises rely on microsoft licenses for windows servers...
- paisano
Kevin - How many xBoxes sold vs iDevices/Macs?
- PXLated
Corp workforce reliance on Windows doesn't limit itself to Office. There are hundreds of thousands of LOB apps
- Jamie
That's true Jamie but those can be accessed through Citrix or other means can't they?
- PXLated
Kevin looks a wee bit like Albert Finney
- paisano
I hope that's a good thing; he is a quite a bit older than me
- Kevin Marks
yes .lol..i meant to say younger Finney...cheers
- paisano
And what if you don't want/trust the cloud
- Francine Hardaway
Somethings afoot at Microsoft (it may be Ballmers feet) strategy is shifting to design, coming from ScottGu's team
- cliveb
Francine: I have a Windows XP machine you can have! ;-)
- Robert Scoble
cloud 1.0 vs cloud 2.0 - 1.0 = mail, calendar, contacts. 2.0 = 1.0 + apps, books, pictures, music, video
- Mark Vaske
Apple will create the first usable robot
- Fredrik Darum
cliveb: Sinofsky knows his big challenge is to keep up with Apple.
- Robert Scoble
Great question Francine... then wait for umbrella...which will block icloud access
- paisano
cliveb: I don't see good things for Microsoft ahead. They should have bet harder on Xbox instead of Windows brand. Poor leadership there.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble don't be a turncoat on Microsoft
- paisano
you owe them everything
- paisano
Does your sunburn hurt Robert? Looks painful :-(
- PXLated
Robert: Sinofsky - he's moving backwards faster.
- cliveb
did you see some of the Xbox announcements today?
- Jamie
paisano: no I don't. I had thousands of readers a day before I got to Microsoft. But, agree, Microsoft was very good to me.
- Robert Scoble
looks like they are betting hard in this space.
- Jamie
Jamie: yes. Xbox is pretty good, but I'm talking about mobile and desktop.
- Robert Scoble
I enjoy Steve's ramblings on TC...so poetic stream of consciousness stuff. The trolls hate it...
- paisano
Jamie: it's called WINDOWS Phone 7. Not Xbox Portable.
- Robert Scoble
thank to all the Gang members and all the chat folks. you guys ROCK!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Yup Trolls hate Steve
- cliveb
thank you
- paisano
but it contains Xbox Live :)
- Jamie
It was awesome!
- Robert Scoble
Jamie: contains is not enough.
- Robert Scoble
Tina - Good to be live for a change
- PXLated
Jamie: Windows Phone 7 is failing and failing hard.
- Robert Scoble
terrific GG timing / realtime!
- cliveb
Jamie: and it isn't gonna be able to get back up.
- Robert Scoble
the trolls had aneurysm whem Steve wrote about Rosebud... huh? what?
- paisano
Jamie: developers around the world are voting actively against WP7.
- Robert Scoble
Jamie: and that's death.
- Robert Scoble
I heard you shitting on it in the last show. im a fan personally, though the app situation isn't ideal.
- Jamie
Jamie: it's not ME shitting on it. It's the developers.
- Robert Scoble
Jamie: I'm just the messenger.
- Robert Scoble
no, you were last week
- Jamie
you said it was horrible lol
- Jamie
yea Robert you couldn't just use the windows 7 phone for a whole day...
- paisano
Jamie: well, it is. Use it. It lags. It has features missing. Cut and paste anyone? And apps just totally suck on it.
- Robert Scoble
cut and paste is on there. did you get the update?
- Jamie
paisano: I keep using it, actually, because the Microsoft fanboys say I needed to give it more than that.
- Robert Scoble
win8 looks great...so does ie10
- paisano
Jamie: hmmmm. Let me pull it out. Hang out.
- Robert Scoble
is it too late?
- paisano
paisano: it's too late. 2012? Give me a break.
- Robert Scoble
Microsoft likes to make us w8
- paisano
7.5 has a very solid list of features though. a lot of which were announced today by Apple. for me it has by and large caught up with the kind of core functionality you would expect, as well as excelling in areas like gaming, media (particularly over Android)
- Jamie
that said, it lags when it comes to apps.
- Jamie
$29 vs $$$ for w8
- cliveb
and i agree about quality...twitter for iphone is so much better than twitter for WP it isnt even funny
- Jamie
Microsoft's dinosaur era development life cycles have hurt them... it's all about iteration now
- paisano
what have you released for me lately
- paisano
Oh, sorry, I see there's an update available for WP7 but I gotta connect it to a PC and I don't have a PC.
- Robert Scoble
you can do it on a Mac robert
- Jamie
via the Windows Phone Connector. That's how I updated
- Jamie
Its in the Mac App Store
- Jamie
Product design cadence killing MS
- cliveb
Jamie: hmmm. Got it. Damn that's intuitive.
- Robert Scoble
not ideal OOBE. but funnily enough I find the syncing mechanism (it picks up your iTunes library/playlists/podcasts etc) to be better than what it is on the PC via Zune
- Jamie
Redmond must stop LOAP development (Lipstick on a Pig) and go whole hog from the ground up
- paisano
not sure W8 is that though. the whole "its just a skin" meme is kinda stupid
- Jamie
Windows 8: The Beginning of the End of Windows http://bit.ly/lMohcZ
- cliveb
i know...win8 is pleasant radical departure
- paisano
clearly W8 is a platform in itself... with a new app environment... apis specifically for it. the likes of engadget and thisismynext are writing it off as some kind of HTC-sense piece of work. crazy.
- Jamie
much needed
- paisano
the question for me is not why it runs "classic" windows, but whether it will run adequately on low power chips, and deliver the 8-10 hours battery life needed
- Jamie
windows phone picks up your itunes libraries? Won't Apple squash that like they did to WebOS on palm?
- Kevin Marks
everythink waiting:) wanna move?: http://www.insulationcavity.com/
- insulation
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Ready to hear some SERIOUS disclosure today! #gillmorgang
- Ralph Henson
I'm watching this while also listening to Dave Winer and Jay Rosen's show
- dlature
who's on today?
- dlature
This is like waiting for the President to announce that we got OBL! #gillmorgang
- Ralph Henson
Good morning! Waiting for that famous Skype call...
- Robert Scoble
Ralph: my disclosure. I'm always conflicted! :-)
- Robert Scoble
We're getting everything connected. Having some problems getting some of the folks connected on Internet.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: my disclosure. I'm fairly unbalanced ;-)
- Ralph Henson
Sigh. Gillmor's having some troubles getting audio to work, please stand by. I feel like one of those guys at NASA who is counting down to launch.
- Robert Scoble
Ralph: that's OK unless you are a washing machine.
- Robert Scoble
John Bothwick - r u reading this?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Any second now.
- Robert Scoble
Sounds like they have Steve's oxygen tank working!
- Ralph Henson
Hi everyone!
- Nir Ben Yona
I need more coffee.
- Robert Scoble
Hi Nir!
- Robert Scoble
Got a nice cup of tea and 3 x choccy biccies
- David Lloyd
@scobleizer - I definitely need more coffee. I had my second cup of caffeinated coffee in five years today.
- John Taschek
Tea > Coffee
- David Lloyd
David Lloyd - definitely agree with that. Tea is the perfect beverage (beyond water).
- John Taschek
ok the studio needs a shade. it looks like we're on fire !
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina: the sun here is on my feet. Makes my feet nice and warm. :-)
- Robert Scoble
chat room needs more coffee me thinks
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I don't think they are used to us at 9 a.m. on a Monday.
- Robert Scoble
nor I
- Tina Chase Gillmor
+1
- Nir Ben Yona
Me neither. One thing is the flow hitting my screen is faster on a Monday morning than a Friday afternoon. So, harder to keep up. Plus, email goes crazy as everyone wakes up and tries to make something happen.
- Robert Scoble
The play's the thing. It's possible and profitable to inform with entertaining. Substance with style.
- Dave Martin
Breaking Bin Laden: visualizing the power of a single tweet via @SocialFlow blog http://sflow.us/iIJEui
- Dave Martin
Eventually we will photos of dead Bin Laden. But not from official sources!
- Moe Glitz
nice Dave M. I would quite agree
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I can monitoring BEING the story in the 2012 elections. How is sentiment gathering so different from polling. Maybe better.
- Amyloo
meant "I can see..."
- Amyloo
I hear that even Bin Laden used a Cloud!
- Moe Glitz
Steve - It's the "filter" problem as Shirky has said
- Dave Martin
Dang I"m late
- Stephen Pickering
hi kids
- Aron Michalski
hey aron
- Amyloo
fully caffinated.
- Aron Michalski
come on in!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Thanks everybody. What I miss?
- Aron Michalski
Not much yet.
- Robert Scoble
@Aron Bugs and cats doing their things :)
- Nir Ben Yona
Legal problems in the UK may cause future problems for Twitter?
- Moe Glitz
lol
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Moe: what legal problems.
- Robert Scoble
OK, I'm up to date.
- Aron Michalski
current court injunctions may happen to a site that is publishing rumours on Twitter
- Moe Glitz
99 of 100 of my tweets suck; one is golden.
- Aron Michalski
Check out The Times or The Guardian for current news
- Moe Glitz
ahh, that's what you're talkin about Aron
- Tina Chase Gillmor
insane and hard to undestand make for great threads.
- Paul E. Ester
again entertaining, right Paul?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
we sometimes have to trust our friends who are insane enough to read all our tweets to edit (retweet) the one gem.
- Aron Michalski
What desktop twitter app is Robert using?
- Stephen Pickering
Disclosure: I can't be on the show today because I'm at salesforce.com induction...
- Kevin Marks
from Android
It will be a major shame if Twitters real time tweets face verification
- Moe Glitz
Kevin: "Thank you sir, may I have another?"
- Aron Michalski
May the Salesforce be with you, Kevin
- Moe Glitz
Stephen: the Macintosh official one from Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Is it anything like the Greek Eleusian Mystery Initiation rite? hehehehehehehehehehehe
- Stephen Pickering
Ah, OK, thanks, RS
- Stephen Pickering
Kevin: congrats on joining Salesforce.
- Robert Scoble
Have fun Kevin
- Tina Chase Gillmor
interns as filters...
- Aron Michalski
Apple would be sniffing everybody... oh wait, they already are.
- Aron Michalski
@Kevin: Congrats!
- Nir Ben Yona
I just got my Square card reader and the packaging is so Apple. So do we think Apple may aquire Twitter?
- Stephen Pickering
not sure why Taschek is hearing an echo. I don't see anything here to indicate that
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I don't think so. Doesn't fit into DNA.
- Robert Scoble
Tina - the echo lasted only a few seconds. But then it was gone.
- John Taschek
The flash thing is interesting; as an Android user, I have access to Flash but it's such a memory pig that I have had it uninstalled for months. The web is changing for Apple and the Android users are benefitting and not having to use flash for certain medias.
- Aron Michalski
ok. Hang on after show so we can figure it out
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina, can you let me know when you have some time this week to have a conversation?
- Aron Michalski
yay Kevin!
- Paul E. Ester
Exciting week indeed. Until next week.
- Nir Ben Yona
Thanks everybody!
- Aron Michalski
thank you all... now go get another cup o' joe!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
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Can Steve & Tina give us Royal Wedding Gilmor Gang Kiss
- Moe Glitz
when are we starting?
- dlature
Windows Phone is tracking all three users! heheheheheheh
- Stephen Pickering
Almost all Smartphone Apps wants to track your current location
- Moe Glitz
'These aren't the Droids you are looking for'. Steve Jobs
- Moe Glitz
Has John got a cold? Are is he not paying his heating bills?
- Moe Glitz
is this live now? I got nothing
- dlature
Yes, I"m watching
- Stephen Pickering
me too
- Moe Glitz
Maybe refresh your page?
- Stephen Pickering
Thank you, Kevin. That's a much more accurate description.
- Darren
had to switch from Chrome to IE...refresing Chrome several times did nothing
- dlature
Hmmm, that's weird. I'm using Chrome, although I have had issues with Chrome on other sites and had to use Safari
- Stephen Pickering
FriendFeed feels neglected
- Paul E. Ester
It's true that you solve the failures you see
- Michael Krigsman
Sony Playstation network went down from what I understood
- Stephen Pickering
It is absolutely a big deal. The outage was multi-day for some customers.
- Darren
JP: I disagree that it was spun up as a large story. It affected so many people, which means it IS a big story.
- Michael Krigsman
I heard playstation network still down?
- Stephen Pickering
IT failures are almost always related to financial decisions or human judgment
- Michael Krigsman
anybody else getting this annoying "Conservative Talk Now" ad that won't "X" out?
- dlature
Was it worth Apple spending $5m to purchase icloud.com, if the Cloud seems to be unreliable
- Moe Glitz
think it just crashed my Chrome's flash again
- dlature
Nope
- Stephen Pickering
Is John in a freezer?
- Michael Krigsman
Is JP inside a coalmine?
- Moe Glitz
back again...had to sit thru that initial 30 sec ad again
- dlature
JP's in england, it's night there
- Kevin Marks
AMZ has tier support.
- Darren
Not tiered infrastructure.
- Darren
Smugmug CEO wrote a great piece on how he kept his service up
- Stephen Pickering
The cloud brings leverage, which is great when it works properly. However, when there is a problem it causes big problems fast.
- Michael Krigsman
smugmug, twilio, simplegeo all geeked out interestingly
- Kevin Marks
Netflix uses the same infrastructure as every other customer. They have a more redundant, resilient infrastructure implementation. Something any other customer could do, if they took the time and could afford it.
- Darren
Is cloud a technology or a way of life?
- Michael Krigsman
Last week I was in the Twilight Zone. Now I'm in a Freezer
- John Taschek
I'm in the garden of pollen
- Kevin Marks
I *think it's a virtualized technology of distributing data across many servers and data centers
- Stephen Pickering
Can't wait for next week then?
- Moe Glitz
does that make Steve the unfunny guy from salesforce
- Kevin Marks
As IT extends out into the consumer world, there is definitely the expectation that cloud will work all the time. Consumers expect cloud to function as reliably as the phone or electricity.
- Michael Krigsman
Bang goes Rackspaces sponsorship of Gillmor Gang
- Moe Glitz
Speaking of Salesforce, when will they be acquiring Seesmic?
- Darren
Congratulations Kevin and Salesforce
- Paul E. Ester
Congrats!
- Michael Krigsman
thanks guys
- Kevin Marks
Very good decision to hire Kevin. Congrats.
- Darren
I wasn't expecting to say this until monday.. thanks steve ;)
- Kevin Marks
The Salesforce Mafia!
- Moe Glitz
Bromance
- Stephen Pickering
thank you for coming out!
- Michael Krigsman
That sounds like a more successful version of Cliqset. ;)
- Darren
May The Salesforce Be With You, Kevin!
- Moe Glitz
Paypal Mafia! Goog Mafia! Zinga Mafia!
- cliveb
Congrats @kevinmarks ! Great to have you.
- John Taschek
It's not in Apple's DNA to give away
- Stephen Pickering
It would be weird for Apple to do cloud and app hosting for others
- Michael Krigsman
How many people actually use FaceTime? Skype is one thing, but FaceTime?
- Michael Krigsman
Android has now got its own version of Facetime!
- Moe Glitz
Haz SFDC gathered brain power to overcome MSFT's "project green" cloud app customization IP suit...
- cliveb
sadly, Apple's promised facetime open standards document never happened
- Kevin Marks
facetime is mostly used within households who have multiple iphones...
- Kevin Marks
so facetime is an eeensy little niche product?
- Michael Krigsman
Android was a development of the Sidekick vision
- Kevin Marks
like Steve' / Tina's new studio
- cliveb
guess I missed the first few minutes from the new studio
- dlature
thanks. studio not finished but working
- Tina Chase Gillmor
But without Apple's Webkit, Android's UI would look static?
- Moe Glitz
Webkit was apple's key openness
- Kevin Marks
Bet they regret that move today, Kevin
- Moe Glitz
no, I don't think so. Without it they'd not have been able to get dev support for their browser
- Kevin Marks
Winsock.
- Darren
Exactly, the browser is what initially sold the thing
- Stephen Pickering
Didn't Google benefit from Apple's WebKit?
- Alex de Soto
But if they patented Webkit, they would have controlled the Smartphone Marketplace
- Moe Glitz
But then Google wouldn't have gotten on board and iPhone needs their services
- Stephen Pickering
no they wouldn't moe, they'd have prevented it from happening
- Kevin Marks
The iPod with Wifi was key I think.
- Alex de Soto
wifi in iPhone was important; Nokia wanted to put wifi in their phones for years, but carriers would not agree to it
- Kevin Marks
Apple plays a delicate balance between what consumers want and what the content establishment wants. To that extent they've done a brilliant job so far.
- Stephen Pickering
Right Stephen. Just look at Google TV.
- Alex de Soto
The biggest worry is that the Carriers will try to wrestle back control of the Smartphone Market from the Software Companies
- Moe Glitz
Alex, exactly
- Stephen Pickering
Moe: Easier to wrest control back with Android no?
- Alex de Soto
the carriers now need wifi support, because they don't have the capacity
- Kevin Marks
Android video calling rumors @ IO
- cliveb
They can't Moe, they love these 100 dollar a month contracts too much
- Stephen Pickering
they're trying to come up with a paid wifi roaming spec
- Kevin Marks
plz work on paid wifi roaming
- cliveb
Two tier Wifi coming very soon?
- Moe Glitz
Comcast Xfinity offers Wifi in select areas for their customers too.
- Alex de Soto
Android integration w/ Google Voice is great. I apply my free unlimited "friend" minutes on TMobile to GV. Beautiful stuff.
- Michael Krigsman
video calling in gtalk was announced this week clive
- Kevin Marks
disagree, clive, work on free roaming ie turning off the stupid middleboxes
- Kevin Marks
My one complaint about my iPhone is that it refuses to let go of my wifi network when I go on walks and am clearly out of range. I have to go into settings to get on to 3G and listen to Pandora
- Stephen Pickering
Huh?
- Michael Krigsman
Software Companies are killing Carriers MMS and SMS Cashcows
- Moe Glitz
looking for alternative to cell data plan (I only have a starbucks plan - need moar wifi)
- cliveb
No, Steve, we know you aren't in an ivory tower.
- Michael Krigsman
http://www.dtc.umn.edu/~odlyzk... - how communications become flat rate
- Kevin Marks
There are two distinct threads happening now: early technology adoption in general, vs communications pricing.
- Michael Krigsman
in the 70s we used to pay a dollar a minute for long distance
- Stephen Pickering
Until the carrier imposes an unexpected cap -- for example, Comcast bandwidth limits or unplanned international cell phone roaming that leads to a $1000 bill when you go on vacation.
- Michael Krigsman
Just got home from work. First thing heard: JP saying "Flat rate wins," and not having context thought it was some variant of "Flattery will get you everywhere."
- Amyloo
kevin, thx for history comms "flatrat"
- cliveb
Watching YouTube vids on 3G, completely wipes out your flat rate Data Plan.
- Moe Glitz
If 4G threatens Comcast, Comcast will lift the cap. Competition and innovation drives flat rate
- Stephen Pickering
Damn he's worse than Leo! hahaha
- Stephen Pickering
danny - how many data plans? (lost count...)
- cliveb
IMO, the Atrix model is the future of computing. One brain, multiple input form factors.
- Darren
thats what Wifi delivers
- Kevin Marks
What??? Are you a communist???
- Michael Krigsman
If I were into politics and conspiracy theories (which I'm not), I would say you are on the dangerous path to state control over everything. Thin end of the wedge. /sarcasm off
- Michael Krigsman
OMG, Verizon being nice to consumers?? This is the dreams show.
- Michael Krigsman
we need more open spectrum like wifi - white spaces
- Kevin Marks
Does AT&T offer tethering yet for my iPhone?
- Stephen Pickering
Tethering on Android is wonderful, but I used to do it just as easily on jailbroken iPhone
- Michael Krigsman
If I jailbreak am I in danger of losing my grandfathered unlimited data plan from AT&T?
- Stephen Pickering
I use PDAnet on Android for tethering
- Kevin Marks
my Starbucks "data plan" $1200yr / $3 Americano = 400 coffee visits (cheap & cheerful & caffeinated)
- cliveb
Stephen - you are in danger only because ATT is now detecting unsanctioned tehtering and forcing you to change plans. Did not used to be the case.
- Michael Krigsman
Hear, hear!
- Darren
Ahhh, ok, thanks Michael
- Stephen Pickering
Ok my late night royal wedding watching is starting to hit me.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
where the heck is my tiarra?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
640k, er 5GB ought to be enough for anyone
- Kevin Marks
Yes, exactly Kevin.
- Darren
Tina, you can borrow my everyday tiara.
- Amyloo
What are the implications of this for Salesforce?
- Michael Krigsman
watching royal wedding with twitter was fun
- Kevin Marks
then is there a way to download our gmail to our local machine?
- Stephen Pickering
Tina, can you give Steve a Gillmor Gang Royal Wedding Kiss!
- Moe Glitz
@Stephen, POP3.
- Darren
You can use Thunderbird to download a full copy to your local machine for backup.
- Michael Krigsman
IMAP doesn't download by default.
- Darren
Ah, ok, thank you
- Stephen Pickering
Since you need backup cloud and need to back up local, doesn't that mean cloud and local are the same?
- Michael Krigsman
IMAP syncs headers by default, not content.
- Darren
Gee, I thought Tech was suppose to make our lives easier?
- Moe Glitz
Moe....hmmm
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Moe: that belief is an illusion
- Michael Krigsman
I was at Buckingham Palace today
- Moe Glitz
Photosynth was amazing to use there!
- Moe Glitz
not been there for a long time...
- Kevin Marks
ATT v Verizon economics suk, Starbucks "data plan" (rest my case)
- cliveb
My sister lives 10 mins away from there
- Moe Glitz
Moe, link to your Photosynths?
- Stephen Pickering
Moeglitz
- Moe Glitz
Still learning how to use it more effectively!
- Moe Glitz
what's the url to photosynth?
- Stephen Pickering
photosynth.com?
- Stephen Pickering
Re: GOP keeps its powder dry as Obama runs unopposed | Byron York | Politics | Washington Examiner - http://www.disqus.com/people...
""[Obama] drifts further to the left to appease his base" Oh. I didn't know that. I don't think anybody else did either."
- Amyloo
Re: GOP keeps its powder dry as Obama runs unopposed | Byron York | Politics | Washington Examiner - http://washingtonexaminer.com/politic...
""[Obama] drifts further to the left to appease his base" Oh. I didn't know that. I don't think anybody else did either."
- Amyloo
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who's on today apart from me?
- Kevin Marks
Me.
- Robert Scoble
Rackspace's stock has doubled since Scoble got there. heheheh
- Stephen Pickering
Doubled? When we joined it was about $6. Now it's about $43.
- Robert Scoble
Oh wow, that's even better. I thought it was around 20, still kicking myself I didn't buy it then
- Stephen Pickering
I'm kicking myself too.
- Robert Scoble
hehe Kevin is banished TO the garden instead of FROM it
- Dale Lature
We <3 the Gillmor Gang.
- David Lloyd
it's not a walled garden, but it is a fenced one
- Kevin Marks
I don't see the point. The whole point of the internet is that we can see photos of places far away. Why do we want to see photos of a place we are already at?
- Stephen Pickering
I guess it's the idea of having yourself in the pics, which you normally would not get
- Dale Lature
San Francisco felt like travelling to me, doing it 3 days and staying late
- Kevin Marks
Salesforce acquired twitter of course. Oops thats next week.
- David Lloyd
It's true. Drucker always said, "All great geniuses have great weakness. If you don't have the weakness bit (douchebag) you don't get the genius bit"
- Stephen Pickering
I tuned in late but it sounded like you guys were talking about the Google autonomous auto...well at X PRIZE we're close to launching a competition for this: http://www.xprize.org/prize-d...
- Mark Krynsky
so what Scoble was saying, George Bernard Shaw said better in 1903: "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
- Kevin Marks
Kevin: exactly. Douchebags. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Evening all
- Nick Halstead
Hi Nick. Loic and I were talking about you yesterday. Can't wait to see what you're working on.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: that sounds cool.
- Robert Scoble
I think you're making an excluded middle error if you say 'be nice to douchebags' as a result
- Kevin Marks
Cant wait - flying out early tomorrow morning.
- Nick Halstead
Nick...hello sir...
- Mark Krynsky
you have to enable international calling on VZW
- Tim Jones
How about the Amazon Cloud Player?
- Stephen Pickering
Hi Mark, was great to catch up with you in South-by
- Nick Halstead
Kevin: well, I said don't doubt visionaries so much. :-)
- Robert Scoble
You guys heard today that Samsung announced the Wifi only Galaxy tab is coming out for $350 right? http://www.gizmocrunch.com/computi...
- Mark Krynsky
HTC Thunderbolt outsells iPhone 4 claims an Analyst http://technewsperk.com/feature...
- Tim Jones
$350 for the 10 inch one with Honeycomb?
- David Lloyd
David...no the 7" froyo.
- Mark Krynsky
Nokia's distribution is huge
- Tim Jones
if they promise a honeycomb upgrade, that could eb good
- Kevin Marks
Kevin yes, that's true...but $350 and the form factor are pretty compelling reasons to gain market share... $299 would have been better now that 1st gen iPads are $399
- Mark Krynsky
I think ill hold on to my cash for the next gen of tablets. I really want 1440x900 min resolution to read american comics on full size with no panning
- David Lloyd
But are 1st gen iPads even available?
- Stephen Pickering
I have an iPad 1st gen & I'm almost more compelled to get a Galaxy tab instead of upgrading to a 2nd gen iPad.
- Mark Krynsky
featurephone owners more likely moving to Android
- Tim Jones
Mark: if you go with 7-inch Tab that almost makes sense. But the apps suck so far compared to iPad.
- Robert Scoble
I have you back live Robert
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tim: that's true, but we have to see if that distribution converts before you make wild predictions.
- Robert Scoble
Robert...then I read this tweet today from Marshall who just got a Galaxy Tab which is worrying http://twitter.com/#!...
- Mark Krynsky
Mark: Android is not as well debugged as iOS, that is a fact.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Tina!
- Robert Scoble
That's what I'm seeing...hopefully Honeycomb helps.
- Mark Krynsky
Ever wondered how many Tweets mention Lady Gaga? http://yfrog.com/h3gbmp
- Nick Halstead
Nick...having fun with Datasift I see :)
- Mark Krynsky
yes - was bored of android discussion :)
- Nick Halstead
could be also that low and middle income featurephone owners also familiar with Windows PCs/laptops
- Tim Jones
nick - ha!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Nick are there any new social content reader startups licensing Datasift data coming soon?
- Mark Krynsky
TechCrunch traffic down 50% http://siteanalytics.compete.com/techcru...
- David Lloyd
Woah! Why?
- Stephen Pickering
David: Arrington has been far less prolific lately and he usually has the big meme bombs.
- Robert Scoble
Don't know why.. but this graph is going around the net
- David Lloyd
Mark - look here http://data2con.com/schedule/ - check out the slot at 1:20pm - and thats when you will find out more :)
- Nick Halstead
MG Siegler is annoying
- Tim Jones
Talk about the Amazon Cloud Player and its impact on iTunes
- Stephen Pickering
Well every other MG post is an Apple Puff-piece...
- David Lloyd
most people use few apps
- Tim Jones
@david - trouble is I dont trust compete - their way of tracking could almost be classed as 'pure guess work'
- Nick Halstead
but I do know the mashable is eating them alive
- Nick Halstead
well I expected TC traffic to be way up since AOL, with AOL.com links coming in
- David Lloyd
there's also Androids with keyboards
- Tim Jones
Re: future of mobile, hopefully we'll see HTML 5 becoming more of the ubiquitous platform across all devices in a few years...
- Mark Krynsky
Nick: Mashable is just not that interesting to me anymore. It's trying to go more mainstream.
- Robert Scoble
Apple moves the market but then loses it
- Tim Jones
iPhone Nano might be a good Apple solution for the low-end market.
- Nir Ben Yona
Robert, agreed. I didnt say I read it :) - Petes a close friend but its aiming at a very different audience now.
- Nick Halstead
Nick that conferences looks great. Wish I could go but too busy at work.
- Mark Krynsky
does TC still have the power to make or break an APP / startup with a frontpage story like it used to be able to ?
- David Lloyd
Joile O'Dell keeps up the techy posts on mashable
- Kevin Marks
and Christina Warren on the mac side
- Kevin Marks
I actually like the way TC / Mashable / RWW / TNW have segmented almost into different specialisations
- Nick Halstead
Nick: same here. Nick and I had a great talk at WEF.
- Robert Scoble
The conference I'd also really like to go to in SF is the first Quantified Self one http://www.quantifiedself.com/confere...
- Mark Krynsky
The one I want to go to is http://www.the-eg.com/
- Robert Scoble
I enjoyed your Color audioblog post the other day Robert.
- David Lloyd
Thanks David, I liked that a lot.
- Robert Scoble
Toyotas more important in making vehicles accessible to the world than BMW
- Tim Jones
I sensed a bit of tension at the start or nervousness?
- David Lloyd
Robert that looks like another TED stylized conference.
- Mark Krynsky
David: yes. I wasn't nice to them in my blog. Always leads to a little nervousness at first.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: it was started by the guy who started TED.
- Robert Scoble
Android gains matter http://www.businessinsider.com/android...
- Tim Jones
The Color guys addmitted they shouldn't have made the $41million part of the launch propaganda, it got in the way -- http://www.cinchcast.com/scoblei...
- David Lloyd
Go Pro rules!
- Stephen Pickering
Windows 8 started to leak out this week I dont know if thats news
- David Lloyd
Windows 8 logon screen http://www.winsupersite.com/Content...
- David Lloyd
Robert, you going to the Data 2.0 VIP reception on Sunday night?
- Nick Halstead
There are two different type of business people: those chasing only money, and those chasing innovation
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: their 3D system ships on Monday.
- Robert Scoble
Nick: I don't think so.
- Robert Scoble
change the world by making info tech accessible to to the Egyptian masses
- Tim Jones
Yeah, I saw you post on that
- Stephen Pickering
data 2 looks interesting
- Kevin Marks
you going Kevin?
- Nick Halstead
I remember when Scoble interviewed the IE 6 team wearing "I <3 RSS" tee shirts for Channel9. hehe
- David Lloyd
no, didn't see it coming.
- Kevin Marks
David: heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin, am sure they would give you a free ticket.
- Nick Halstead
how many iPhones called the masses to Tahrir Square versus Nokias?
- Tim Jones
"will tweet for ticket"
- Kevin Marks
Tim: I don't know, but in Tel Aviv iPhones were everywhere and there isn't even an Apple store there.
- Robert Scoble
who has the money to buy PC's in this economic depression?
- Tim Jones
That's true. More than 150K iphones in Israel alone, without a genuine Apple store.
- Nir Ben Yona
aren't we coming out of the depression into Recovery now?
- David Lloyd
There's always money for productivity
- Stephen Pickering
I'm sure I read 2.6% GDP growth
- David Lloyd
Tim: here in Silicon Valley lots of people have money.
- Robert Scoble
We may have a double dip because of the inflation that's coming
- Stephen Pickering
Tim: and every engineer has a job if they can code.
- Robert Scoble
Or rather is here, ie gas prices
- Stephen Pickering
well the one think most economists agree on is Inflation is coming and its going to hurt
- David Lloyd
Is the standard of living higher in America than England? because we pay $10+ for gas and have done for years and the inflation hasn't been too bad here
- David Lloyd
america is a lot more spread out; petrol prices factor into lots of goods through transport costs
- Kevin Marks
Though rumors claim that Cupertino is going to open an Apple store down town Jerusalem with a digital library http://tnw.co/fOiiZ5
- Nir Ben Yona
general cost of goods is lower here, and no VAT (though some state taxes)
- Kevin Marks
Kevin - petrol is my favorite "english" word !
- Tina Chase Gillmor
is the general rule that average wages are lower in america than here but we get taxed alot more here?
- David Lloyd
David: yeah, but your gas taxes pay for much better public transportation than here (and like Kevin says, the whole continent is much more compact than USA).
- Robert Scoble
Right, but inflation is hitting all commodities. The only cure for inflation is growth which soaks up excess liquidity
- Stephen Pickering
Jack being back at Twitter is great news
- Nick Halstead
Nick: agreed.
- Robert Scoble
the minimum wage in england is £5.93 which works out at $9.48
- David Lloyd
Met Jack in Paris at Le Web. Nice guy. I LIKE him
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina: agreed. I'd rather have beer with Jack than with Ev.
- Robert Scoble
Jack follows me Ev doesn't. :-) So I might be biased.
- Robert Scoble
Amazing how nice you get when you're worth many hundreds of millions
- Stephen Pickering
I like Jack, but I like Ev and Dick too, in different ways
- Kevin Marks
I was fortunate to visit Better Place first battery-swap station last week. It's awesome and QUICK http://twitpic.com/4cfp6q
- Nir Ben Yona
Robert weren't you one of the first people on "twttr" ?
- David Lloyd
David: I was about the 13,200th person on Twttr.
- Robert Scoble
Always late to the party! :-)
- Robert Scoble
13000 probably counts as very early considering the number they have now
- David Lloyd
David: yup. Considering there are hundred million + on Twitter now.
- Robert Scoble
I joined twitter december 11th 2006; not sure what number though
- Kevin Marks
hmmm...somehow the absence of the dickbar had not crossed my radar.....great. I like the dickless version....errr dick-barless version
- Dale Lature
Just reminded me of the episode of the simpsons when Mr Burns social security number is "2"
- David Lloyd
Facebook is mainstream, Twitter isn't.
- Nir Ben Yona
QuickBar! Not Dickbar! will somebody think of the children!
- David Lloyd
I wish there was an easy way for tweets show up in a map, like it is in Google Buzz for Mobile
- Tim Jones
Tim: there is probably an app for that somewhere, maybe obscure!
- David Lloyd
I loved Caroline's phrase "insidery tech circles dubbing the feature "dickbar" in reference to Twitter CEO Dick Costolo and the oft-derogatory alternate meaning of his first name"
- Kevin Marks
No, no, no, Facebook has more info on you, so it can target ads better
- Stephen Pickering
I swear there are dozens of twitter apps which no one knows about but the developer and his family
- David Lloyd
Twitter for speedy communication - news. Facebook for sharing
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I played around with FB advertising last month and I saw the light
- Stephen Pickering
Facebook will never be the news distribution platform that Twitter is #fact
- Nick Halstead
More like $85B now :) #Facebook
- Nir Ben Yona
there used to be a rule in the Twitter TOS that you shall not use the service primarily to pass links out hehe.
- David Lloyd
I think you might be right Nick
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I used to be a total Twitter guy, now I'm spending much more time on FB
- Stephen Pickering
Tweeter is for getting news out to the world, FB is to update just for friends
- Tim Jones
I sense a GG argument building... we havent had one this week
- David Lloyd
depends on your age; younger people think FB is public, use twitter in private mode
- Kevin Marks
2M Israelis on FB. Just 70K on Twitter. Most kids are using Facebook rather than Twitter.
- Nir Ben Yona
"There are no masses, just ways of treating people as masses"
- Kevin Marks
im interested in seeing 'trending' topics based upon a stream filtered by only higher authority users
- Nick Halstead
Nir - Yes, young people DO NOT LIKE Twitter
- Tina Chase Gillmor
"sometimes you want a burger not a fillet steak" - me
- David Lloyd
radian6 is track, like Nick's thing, no?
- Kevin Marks
Right, if that trending topics were curated a little much more value
- Stephen Pickering
radian6 is like stone age tech Kevin - great marketing tho
- Nick Halstead
hyperlocal should come with a map
- Tim Jones
I want trends from my friends, minus the global trends. That would be interesting
- Kevin Marks
why do I keep losing my comment window?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I reckon in about a year Steve may admit we already have track + a license to sell it :)
- Nick Halstead
Facebook will own brand marketing, Google will own cash flow marketing
- Stephen Pickering
Kevin: that's why Nick's company is so interesting.
- Robert Scoble
Nick: agreed. Except can you let me DataSift the folks I'm following?
- Robert Scoble
Has that shipped yet?
- Robert Scoble
despite what they have said, right now a team of Google's best is hard at work on a facebook killer :)
- David Lloyd
Robert - Monday, monday, monday ..... all will be revealed
- Nick Halstead
Cause I'm 50x more interested in the 31,000 people I'm following than the masses who are asses.
- Robert Scoble
Nick: understood. Can't wait!
- Robert Scoble
Nick, is that conference being live streamed?
- Kevin Marks
another Seesmic pivot? quelle surprise.
- Jamie
kevin, yes
- Nick Halstead
Nick - would you like to break some news here?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
@scobleizer - Masses who are asses - this was related to Alexander Hamilton's thinking about how the masses choose the least common denominator for president.
- John Taschek
Jamie: not really. Seesmic has an application plugin platform that is quite nice.
- Robert Scoble
heh, yes, those are real tweets. I have an Android app, nanoTweeter, that pays a tweet sound when I get amention, and got false positives in my garden
- Kevin Marks
Jamie: this is just reflecting Seesmic's previous pivots.
- Robert Scoble
what ever happened to Seesmic Look! seemic for real people
- David Lloyd
David: it is as lame an idea as Microsoft Bob.
- Robert Scoble
Seesmic isnt pivoting again - Loic has already stated his goal with going enterprise
- Nick Halstead
David: things aimed at novices rarely succeed.
- Robert Scoble
the "Idiots" series of books did ok!
- David Lloyd
David: and because Seesmic is going enterprise the idea of aiming at novices just won't work.
- Robert Scoble
"TV is not vulgar and prurient and dumb because the people who compose the audience are vulgar and dumb. Television is the way it is simply because people tend to be extremely similar in their vulgar and prurient and dumb interests and wildly different in their refined and aesthetic and noble interests." - David Foster Wallace
- Kevin Marks
that's the pivot I was referring to - enterprise.
- Jamie
Twitter for Idiots
- David Lloyd
Twitter For Dummies is Laura Fitton et al's book - very good
- Kevin Marks
David: the idiots series of books actually are quite advanced. The goal is to get those people NOT to think like they are idiots.
- Robert Scoble
I like that quote, Kevin. Uncomfortable with masses as asses.
- Amyloo
Amyloo: blame my history teacher in college.
- Robert Scoble
Robert Fricke. One of the best teachers I've ever had.
- Robert Scoble
OK.
- Amyloo
Ah, you guys are talking Social Readers I've created a comparison matrix here: http://lifestreamblog.com/on-the-...
- Mark Krynsky
I can't believe the Activity Streams meetup went to Chevy's, when Thirsty Bear is next door...
- Kevin Marks
Alpha male
- Stephen Pickering
I've been playing with a few more and need to add them and tweak the columns a bit...
- Mark Krynsky
I just ran out of MI-5 to watch on my AppleTV :(
- Kevin Marks
So far my favorite service based on prioritizing my social graph (Twitter only) is still Tweeted Times. My favorite based on relevancy algorithm so far is Zite.
- Mark Krynsky
Mark: I like Zite but it doesn't do Twitter yet, does it? That's a huge mistake.
- Robert Scoble
I didn't touch anything from Apple until 1985
- Kevin Marks
which do you recommend Mark?
- Jamie
Kevin: I was a Apple customer back in 1977.
- Robert Scoble
What year was Apple born?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina: 1976, if I remember right.
- Robert Scoble
I had a PET
- Kevin Marks
duh, just saw your post. my bad! I agree Zite is fantastic. a lot of legal issues brewing though
- Jamie
My dad bought an Apple II. I got a tour of Apple when it was a single building back in 1977.
- Robert Scoble
'76 Geez, really?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Robert it does support twitter but I believe only for keyword category information I believe.
- Mark Krynsky
Mark - interesting comparison of social media - http://bit.ly/gUBc7x (shrunken for Twitter)
- John Taschek
AppleTV defaults to iTunes, then you switch to netflix
- Kevin Marks
I think Netflix is selling themselves short. Apple TV needs them as much as they need Apple TV
- Stephen Pickering
It's an accessory.
- Amyloo
Over 50,000 hours of video are uploaded to Youtube every day - http://bit.ly/hfA8mM
- John Taschek
Boxee is going to release an Air-play like application soon.
- Nir Ben Yona
a 1080p AppleTV would be nice, eventually
- Kevin Marks
Searching for GG time today, noticed somebody still retweeting that almost 2-year-old Leo blows up at Arrington video.
- Amyloo
Amy - dirt lives forever
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Seriously!
- Amyloo
That's a cool accessory for the ipad http://bit.ly/fQ3GIs
- Nir Ben Yona
We're gonna start sellin' stuff! Enough SEO, we're going SEM baby!
- Stephen Pickering
licensing airplay video will be a big deal
- Jamie
A VW van and $10,000 wasn't that Odwalla?
- Kevin Marks
Kevin: I think Odwalla has a similar story.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: GoPro started with capital made by reselling bead belts that Nick, CEO, bought on a surfing trip in Australia.
- Robert Scoble
Technology will continue to march on...in spite of Douchebaggery.
- Mark Krynsky
Because of Douchebaggery!
- Stephen Pickering
Moe: it's called Safari.
- Robert Scoble
New and upcoming Apple AirPlay products http://cnet.co/ejCqs2
- Nir Ben Yona
shame that AirPlay is closed, compared to the original DAAP
- Kevin Marks
I love my ipad / New York Times paywall workaround
- defrag_Ami
I can easily see AirPlay usurping DLNA as the standard for this stuff. defacto of course.
- Jamie
DLNA is such a mess on Android
- Kevin Marks
uPnp
- Mark Krynsky
but doing it as a standard would be good
- Kevin Marks
uPnP is crap compared to ZeroConf
- Kevin Marks
i think the Amazon news is a big deal.
- Jamie
I use my android for music and podcasts all the time
- Kevin Marks
Kevin...I thought we were just playing digitial media bingo.
- Mark Krynsky
Moe, thanks, they were a bit long and a bit pitchy but I like what they are doing.
- Robert Scoble
I use google listen more on a time basis
- Kevin Marks
but it depends how much of the day I'm travelling
- Kevin Marks
That's what current.tv should do with olbermann
- Amyloo
Download web browser, Atomic Lite (free), set to private browsing mode, and just use that for NY Times. Cookies are deleted every time you put app in background.
- defrag_Ami
wow
- Jamie
Jamie: wow what?
- Robert Scoble
that airplay news. is it public knowledge?
- Jamie
xbox is the media hub
- Tim Jones
DLNA works OK on my Android. But i's an awful implementation.
- John Taschek
Jamie: nope, not public yet.
- Robert Scoble
Jamie: Gillmor Gang is about the future. :-)
- Robert Scoble
who did you say? Hulu and?
- Jamie
Jamie: if I remember right Netflix. But not from those services themselves. From a new startup coming this week.
- Robert Scoble
the Airplay protocol is open (audio now, video soon). it will be in a ton of devices.
- Jamie
Why can't I watch The Gillmor Gang live on my iPad 2? Catch up.
- Stefan Etienne
xbox live
- Tim Jones
Stefan: Ustream sucks. We have to figure that out.
- Robert Scoble
URL jamie
- Kevin Marks
Stefan: do you have the latest Ustream app?
- Robert Scoble
Yes.
- Stefan Etienne
Stefan and Tina: we need to figure that out. I think Ustream forces people to use a new producer app to get displayed in the Ustream app on iOS.
- Robert Scoble
does Apple play with other handware companies?
- Tim Jones
Ah, ok.
- Stefan Etienne
hardware
- Tim Jones
yes tim, look at the huge aftermarket hardware for the iPhone/pod/pad connector
- Kevin Marks
I'm saying it needs to be like firewire, not like iPod connector
- Kevin Marks
Kevin - agree
- John Taschek
Leo will be in the new studio
- Stephen Pickering
is Leo still using the Skyepasaurus?
- Kevin Marks
Kevin, Yes
- Stephen Pickering
Thanks to everyone. Chat is fabulous! Have a great Saturday
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Re: Scripting News: An Internet inside an Internet - http://scripting.com/stories...
"The whole world outline concept is staggering when you imagine it on out to its potential. It's very Zen in the "your bit of everything" sense. I've been slow to dig into the S3 and dropbox stuff. I guess the Amazon services get me spooked. Maybe Amazon intends them to be a little offputting, is that possible?"
- Amyloo
Re: Scripting News: An Internet inside an Internet - http://www.disqus.com/people...
"The whole world outline concept is staggering when you imagine it on out to its potential. It's very Zen in the "your bit of everything" sense. I've been slow to dig into the S3 and dropbox stuff. I guess the Amazon services get me spooked. Maybe Amazon intends them to be a little offputting, is that possible?"
- Amyloo
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who's on today? I like to tweet notify people what's ahead
- Dale Lature
Me, Danny Sullivan, John Taschek, Steve Gillmor. Not sure if Kevin will be on.
- Robert Scoble
I am ready for the show. Sitting in my studio digitally remastering an old 1931 movie called The Champ and listening to GG.
- David Lloyd
My iPad 2 just arrived. Wooohhoooo! :-)
- Robert Scoble
It's 5% lighter and Angry Birds loads 50% FASTER!
- David Lloyd
r.e. twitter: yes unbox live pls, maybe in preshow if not allowed
- David Lloyd
Steve, I'm getting twitchy. I can't wait to unbox my iPad 2.
- Robert Scoble
oooh, an unboxing
- Dale Lature
I have a ton of videos to turn on after the show too. Starting to recover from SXSW.
- Robert Scoble
GarageBand on the iPad is the greatest app for hack musicians of all time.
- John Taschek
Still waiting for the famous call.
- Robert Scoble
speaking of which, has everyone turned on Gmail's new Smart Labels? That's the single most productive thing I've done this year.
- Robert Scoble
I'll be on, unless this rain takes out the power/net
- Kevin Marks
More about them here: http://lifehacker.com/#!57801...
- Robert Scoble
Just got the call, we'll be on air shortly.
- Robert Scoble
I don't know why but when I visit links to Gawker sites the actual page doesn't load, just some page full of related stories
- David Lloyd
thanks, Robert
- Jerome Hughes
that's the hashbang fail, David. See also: http://xkcd.com/869/
- Kevin Marks
Hi Steve, sorry I showed up
- Ross Mayfield
There was great shit at sxsw, like Ditto, but it got lost in the noise
- Ross Mayfield
Ross: I like the idea of Ditto more than I like the execution.
- Robert Scoble
version 1 dude
- Ross Mayfield
but yes, you see a lot of version 1s
- Ross Mayfield
I like ditto, except it's iPhone only, so not very usable
- Kevin Marks
Ross: I know, I will give Jyri feedback about what doesn't work for me.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: very usable for me. :-)
- Robert Scoble
yeah, if you dont have an iphone its not very usable
- Ross Mayfield
The new Comdex
- Eric
Windows PC's stopped crashing a long time ago
- David Lloyd
twitter and foursquare both bridged modalities, sms to web, mobile app to web. made it very viable to communicate with many people.
- Kevin Marks
I have an iPod touch, I can try it on wifi, but...
- Kevin Marks
Google Circles!
- David Lloyd
Pricing discrimination by device for the NYT
- David Lloyd
Is the NYT on the web still going to be free?
- Stephen Pickering
The NYT times should have picked a time where access to news didn't matter. Less interesting times.
- Ross Mayfield
this is a christian scientist plot
- Ross Mayfield
The thing is some of us follow hundreds of links a day, and if every news site starts charging... will be laying out hundreds of bucks a month :D
- David Lloyd
Winer will maybe start a feed river for us and we can click through for free hehe.
- David Lloyd
there's that name again, i do not know that it means what people think it means
- Ross Mayfield
So all I have to do if I am past my 20 article limit on NYT, is to TWEET the link to the 21st article and then follow it, and I'm in.
- Dale Lature
Yes Dale
- David Lloyd
NYT should create a digital version that has opinion and longer pieces. Forget keeping up with the news.
- Alex de Soto
so, um, are you arguing that paper is dead?
- Ross Mayfield
A firefox / google addon will probably come out which amends something to a url to make it trick it into appearing like a link has been clicked.
- David Lloyd
yes, Ross http://epeus.blogspot.com/2006...
- Kevin Marks
FT.com not convenient using links to avoid subscription (but doing it)
- cliveb
so 2006
- Ross Mayfield
David, wasn't a question, but thanks for answering
- Dale Lature
I know it sounded like a qtn...dont want to come off smart aleck
- Dale Lature
What killed the NYT credibility is when they went into the tank for Bush's Iraq War. That was just unreal. Everyone in the entire world knew Sadam had no WMD's or had anything to do with it except the CIA and NYT.
- Stephen Pickering
National Edition of WSJ Circulation (print I assume): 1,678,498
- Alex de Soto
NYT Circulation: http://www.nytimes.whsites.net/mediaki...
- Alex de Soto
no Stephen, most people thought Saddam did have WMD, arguably including Saddam
- Kevin Marks
Is wired mag on ipad (fed up with paper)
- cliveb
not having to think about it is the problem. news only with the ability to tweet and like is boring.
- Ross Mayfield
I tweet hundred year old articles out...
- Kevin Marks
i want an old ticker tape machine hooked up to twitter
- Ross Mayfield
http://www.google.com/s2... is Google's social circles, shipped last year
- Kevin Marks
Yeah Kevin but the NYT was reporting things as fact in that case that had no substantiation. Their reporter, Judith Miller I believe was almost just acting as a mouthpiece for the Admin
- Stephen Pickering
Google hired Ed Chi to inject social scents.
- cliveb
iPad2 toting communists?
- Alex de Soto
my 8 year old only uses his ipad for games, thousands of free games
- Ross Mayfield
i seriously regret not getting him a hackable computer
- Ross Mayfield
Garageband and iMovie are what are going to sell a lot of iPad2s
- Stephen Pickering
Garageband iPad is freaking incredible. That's the direction of the future.
- Stephen Pickering
for a kid, the instant gratification of free crap in the itunes store is as much of a problem as the lack of creation tools
- Ross Mayfield
now click a link on the paper
- Ian McGee
The paradigm of the iPad is removing the intimidation and introducing fun and intimacy with computing and communications
- Stephen Pickering
iO Dock Pro Audio Dock For iPad is really cool If you're using GarageBand http://bit.ly/g4ooLl
- Nir Ben Yona
We need Andrew for this
- Dale Lature
Hah I just finished reading volume one of that book Kevin
- David Lloyd
Johns PC mag #2 looks like whole earth catalog
- cliveb
Nir Ben can you connect an interface to that or something?
- Stephen Pickering
@Stephen Of course, that's the point :)
- Nir Ben Yona
Stephen: Totally agree about Garageband! Amazing technology.
- John Taschek
John, was it deboned?
- Jerome Hughes
see, sxsw is destroying the greatest minds of the tech industry
- Ross Mayfield
You should see it compared to my Computer Shopper, which is now too heavy to lift.
- John Taschek
Ross: at least for a week. :-)
- Robert Scoble
For print users like Danny: Check out this Tech Support video from the middle ages: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Alex de Soto
And good luck! hehehehehe
- Stephen Pickering
I got a bunch of those old computer mags which are 500 pages thick and 400 of those pages are ads for 16MB ram chips and pentium 333s!
- David Lloyd
Interesting from the same PC Mag cover: "IBM makes serious Music"
- John Taschek
Little known story - Computer Shopper had to up its editorial content frequently to avoid being labled as junk mail which would incur substantially more postal costs.
- John Taschek
is there an interesting AR app for the iPad 2 yet?
- Ross Mayfield
open the mag up John and let us know the speed of some of the CPUs for sale back then!
- David Lloyd
Krugman just wrote this: Yes. We encourage links from Facebook, Twitter, search engines, blogs and social media. When you visit NYTimes.com through a link from one of these channels, that article (or video, slide show, etc.) will count toward your monthly limit of 20 free articles, but you will still be able to view it even if you’ve already read your 20 free articles.
- Dale Lature
FT.com using same paywall link logic
- cliveb
that makes sense, Dale. Stop the 'you evil buggers broke the web' reaction I have to WaPo or FT now
- Kevin Marks
Marketing and Promotions Director for Conde Nast says the Wired.com app will be replicated across the media network.
- Alex Williams
First ad in PC Mag: Microsoft announces BASIC "If flying your IBM PC got any more realistic, you'd need a license (also an ad for Flight Simulator)
- John Taschek
Online News Consumption, Revenue Overtake Print for the First Time http://www.pcmag.com/article...
- empiricator
You might pay for really good curation of the news.
- Alex de Soto
Online News Consumption, Revenue Overtake Print for the First Time http://www.pcmag.com/article... - You (edit | delete)
- empiricator
Supercalc has a spread ad.
- John Taschek
we'll be forced to subscribe to people
- Ross Mayfield
First ad for hardware: Cameo advertising backup for Zenith and Eagle computers.
- John Taschek
@alex thx Wired was my last mag subscription (apart from ACM.org)
- cliveb
404 empiricator
- Kevin Marks
we already subscribe to people
- Tina Chase Gillmor
good article, empiricator: http://www.pcmag.com/article...
- Kevin Marks
@kevin thanks
- empiricator
and the ipad is a catalyst for legitimizing the web
- Stephen Pickering
Interruptive ads anywhere are in trouble unless they're damn good. Look at the backlash to Twitter's quick bar.
- Alex de Soto
I notice ads which catch my interest. I saw an ad for an Alfred Hitchcock boxed set and ended up laying down £30 for it. Rebecca (best film of all time) :D
- David Lloyd
Brits love adverts. hehehehehhe
- Stephen Pickering
kinect camera can track the eyes, then inject the ads where eyes are
- cliveb
We don't love adverts but we love the fact that the BBC has no adverts so our drama last a full hour and not 44 minutes.
- David Lloyd
iPad and publishing: What about the rumored magazine standards that Apple could be working on?
- Alex de Soto
perhaps there would be a larger percentage coming from an app that are not quite motivated to get there via Safari ?
- Jerome Hughes
o_O Alex - the standard is HTML, like it is for Books
- Kevin Marks
or to make someone else the money tomorrow
- Jerome Hughes
Kevin: This is what I was referring to: http://www.fastcompany.com/1738528...
- Alex de Soto
Brit ads often have superbowl quality
- cliveb
There's no question. The only drawback is that its killing my eyes
- Stephen Pickering
he said "killing" not "killed"
- David Lloyd
I just hope he doesn't turn FF off!
- Stephen Pickering
The iPad is rocking it in medicine. Physicians are really into them. 1 in 5 plan to buy one: http://www.epocrates.com/company...
- Alex de Soto
Flipscam! hehehehehhehehehe
- Stephen Pickering
try this website, Robert: http://www.nytimes.com/chrome
- Kevin Marks
WOW, thats a nice link Kevin
- David Lloyd
Love the NYT Chrome app. I guess they'll be charging for access to that too.
- Alex de Soto
i think iPad is indeed "the Web", but Web 4.0 or whatever number we're on is more invested inthe interface, like the Tablet (which now IS the iPad)
- Dale Lature
Never seen the Times like that before
- David Lloyd
I know the general philosophy, but where can a new father find an RSS feed of this show (audio or video) to catch up on the last month's episodes? The baby is lovely, but I'm having GG withdrawals...
- Chris Aldrich
how do Physicians sterilize iPad...
- cliveb
The NPR Chome app is also a standout as is Sports Illustrated. I read them on my free CR-48 and I'm thrilled.
- Alex de Soto
Kevin: yes, and that's not nearly as nice as reading on a Tablet, er, an iPad.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin, and THAT isn't NEARLY as nice as Flipboard.
- Robert Scoble
Funny @cliveb. Autoclaves would not work. Glue would melt. ;)
- Alex de Soto
Kevin, because it only has one source.
- Robert Scoble
Echoing Chris -- audio podcast against would be nice as well. Some of us have more time to listen in cars.
- Ian McGee
on that NYT link with Top News is the answer to Sgteve's wondering about NYT journalists that were missing: "http://www.nytimes.com/2011..."
- Dale Lature
so, let flipboard make a web app
- Kevin Marks
Glenn Beck will go off on them if Scoble is right about him joining the Obama team
- David Lloyd
Yep, Robert, one source. The aggregate is the key
- Dale Lature
Glenn Beck already went off on Google
- Kevin Marks
Kevin: you miss the point. Touch is a HUGE part of why Flipboard is more enjoyable to use. Same with Feedly, coming soon to both Android tablets and iPads.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah, why can't I get Flipboard on my PC?
- David Lloyd
David: can you touch your PC?
- Robert Scoble
Isn't Glenn Beck going off on something how you know you're doing it right?
- Ian McGee
@Alex the Windows tablet is autoclave compatible! (nothing to melt)
- cliveb
No but I can move my mouse curser instead of my finger
- David Lloyd
David: not the same.
- Robert Scoble
I can touch my Air, great trackpad gestures
- Kevin Marks
David: the iPad is superior for reading.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: not the screen.
- Robert Scoble
and I don't need to lift my knees up to balance it either
- Kevin Marks
I love the views of Steve's studio.
- Alex Williams
Surely a PC is the best way to read the news while you are at home. (or Mac)
- David Lloyd
Why would anyone read the news on their pad while sitting in their office ?
- David Lloyd
David: I disagree. The iPad is in the midst of a revolution in how we'll read news. More when Feedly ships at end of month.
- Robert Scoble
well, David, lots of people are reading on iPads, with things like instapaper
- Kevin Marks
David - because they'd like to sit back and manipulate items directly
- Jerome Hughes
I read a lot on my android phone around the house and on the move
- Kevin Marks
And I should say "Tablets" not just iPads, since Feedly will work on Android too.
- Robert Scoble
David - totally disagree. I can curl up with my iPad
- Tina Chase Gillmor
And it's not the only tablet-based app that's totally changing how I read news.
- Robert Scoble
PC not a lean back experience
- cliveb
The PC isn't going away, but it sucks for reading on the couch.
- Robert Scoble
Or in bed.
- Robert Scoble
I want a backlit Kindle, its just about the best reading device for me when relaxing
- David Lloyd
another 2006 post of mine: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2006...
- Kevin Marks
I always thought when the web started up that like "oh hey now the NYT can have its own TV station"
- Stephen Pickering
We are in the middle of a real revolution. One which will be more apparent over next month or two. (I've seen a few apps coming that are mind blowing and NOT on PCs).
- Robert Scoble
David: that's impossible. Kindle uses eInk screens which REQUIRE front facing light.
- Robert Scoble
air is good on the couch; android is good standing up
- Kevin Marks
David: just get Kindle on an iPad. Use it in bed. Kindle everywhere else.
- Robert Scoble
They are awesome. I just love holding them!
- Stephen Pickering
It might be impossible now, but who knows what the next version of eInk will be capable of in a couple of years
- David Lloyd
I would use the ipad for reading books but its too damn heavy
- David Lloyd
Kindle on the phone too
- Kevin Marks
I wish it weighed 150 grams less and had half the battery ;p
- David Lloyd
The nice part of standalone kindle is that there isn't anything else there, so one is forced to focus on the content more concertedly.
- Chris Aldrich
That's right David, that's the only drawback to me, all day on computer and iPad, my vision is going rapidly
- Stephen Pickering
When the funnies get a great app, newsprint will be in real trouble.
- Alex de Soto
iPod Touch is a nice device too
- Kevin Marks
I just finished reading a hardcover Folio edition of the decline and fall of the Roman empire, it weighs 75% less than an Ipad and I thought that was too heavy to comfortably read for a long period :D
- David Lloyd
I tell you, watching TV through Slingbox on iPad is killer
- Stephen Pickering
I have the Everyman one, but I do buy Folio too
- Kevin Marks
Stephen: exactly.
- Robert Scoble
Cost a couple of pounds from one of those dusty second hand book shops you find in backstreets of England
- David Lloyd
Call me old-fashioned, but I find it a bit scary to hold an iPad (a device that undoubtedly radiates) and read for hours.
- Nir Ben Yona
iPhone went into established market, iPad established a new market
- Jerome Hughes
Nir, do you have a phone in your pocket with 7 radios in
- Kevin Marks
I try to put my iphone as far as possible from my pocket. Most of the time in my bag. It scares me.
- Nir Ben Yona
Stop all talking at once please
- David Lloyd
When I bought my Verizon iPhone, a clerk said that maybe ATT would get better after everybody switched away
- Ross Mayfield
geez the overtalking is incredible today
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina: too much coffee.
- Robert Scoble
You cannot watch Al jazeera Live on the ipad :(
- David Lloyd
$140 android tablet at QVC http://www.qvc.com/qic...
- Kevin Marks
The only thing that could possibly hurt the iPad is if they somehow start to restrict content, ie if they run Amazon off the platform
- Stephen Pickering
iPad is still missing a solid cloud solution like the cr-48 has. Syncing with a cable is so old.
- Alex de Soto
Because you don't like itunes.
- Todd Hoff
I bet that $140 tablet will sell for £299 over here heh.
- David Lloyd
I bought the nexus on for T-Mobile, still love the phone.
- Michael Breslin
Alex totally agree.
- Stephen Pickering
You buy this "Post PC Ipad" and you need a computer to use it :)
- David Lloyd
"post PC but Pc needed to use" Ipad
- David Lloyd
It's not just not liking iTunes, its that I've got two macs and I wish I could buy content on whichever one I'm on, but I can't if I want it to sync
- Stephen Pickering
David: good point, but you don't need one. Just go into Apple store and they will set it up for you. But how many people don't have a PC/Mac that are gonna buy a Tablet?
- Robert Scoble
But I agree, that's one of the cool features of my Xoom.
- Robert Scoble
Cellphones were around for a long time too. Then came the iPhone.
- Alex de Soto
I was just pointing out it's a bit egregious to describe the ipad as a post-pc device
- David Lloyd
It would be like describing a hybrid car as post-petrolium, when you need to put oil in it still
- David Lloyd
What about IBM Steve?
- Chris Aldrich
I love this show, feels like a secret hidden show only a few people know about
- David Lloyd
It's because Steve killed it's RSS feed David.
- Chris Aldrich
Well Office IS DEAD despite the last version breaking all sales records for the series :D
- David Lloyd
David: momentum is hard to kill. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Wonder if share of non-Apple mp3 players is one predictor of non-ipad tablets?
- Amyloo
still waiting for the iPad tohave video creation tools and a decent video camera
- Dale Lature
For our sake I hope Apple doesn't end up with 95% tablet market share
- David Lloyd
ala ipod vs mp3 players
- David Lloyd
they shipped that, dale
- Kevin Marks
lot of mp3-playing phones
- Kevin Marks
shipped what?...iPad2 camera sucks for video...now they're saying iPad 3 in Nov will have it
- Dale Lature
David: I predict 90% this year. 75% next.
- Robert Scoble
Of course somewhere in the world maybe a super hot tablet is being developed right now...
- David Lloyd
My wife is perfectly happy with reading Mags on her cheap color Nook. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
- Alex de Soto
the ipad is destroying the web
- Ross Mayfield
How do you itterate a tablet every year and not run out of ways to make it feel new?
- David Lloyd
I mean, its a chunk of glass
- David Lloyd
Ross: the Web will come back. :-) Although it might look like an app. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
If someone out there would actually care about building beautiful products as much as Apple does, then maybe someone else could get some traction
- Stephen Pickering
should have talked about how apple is deprecating web apps on the iphone and ipad
- Ross Mayfield
David Lloyd, after a certain point it may be the software that carries the iteration burden, if you look at PCs.
- Amyloo
not deprecating web apps, just speeded up the browser more than fullscreen apps
- Kevin Marks
Stephen: the problem is it costs money to build beautiful products.
- Robert Scoble
longer story, another time
- Ross Mayfield
Microsoft should build Office apps for iOS and Android.
- Alex de Soto
url, ross?
- Kevin Marks
Go CDMA!! and QCOM! hehehhe
- Stephen Pickering
will DM
- Ross Mayfield
Thanks everyone for joining us.
- Robert Scoble
Ballmer will keep hope alive or begone
- cliveb
sorry i showed up Steve, thanks all
- Ross Mayfield
excellent , guys. Thanks
- Dale Lature
Until next time.
- Nir Ben Yona
Re: What is Your Real Name? - http://www.disqus.com/people...
"Been thinking about this. Maybe it is fear. Because it's _always_ instructive to quote an animated musical ;-) , consider this line from the mob scene in Beauty and the Beast: "We don't like what we don't understand, in fact it scares us, and this monster is mysterious at least." http://www.youtube.com/v/uejyg..."
- Amyloo
Re: What is Your Real Name? - http://techcrunch.com/2011...
"Been thinking about this. Maybe it is fear. Because it's _always_ instructive to quote an animated musical ;-) , consider this line from the mob scene in Beauty and the Beast: "We don't like what we don't understand, in fact it scares us, and this monster is mysterious at least." http://www.youtube.com/v/uejyg..."
- Amyloo
Re: What is Your Real Name? - http://techcrunch.com/2011...
""Perhaps the most perplexing reaction of all in the comment cloud is the fear of new ideas, new forms, new experiments in this thing most of us should never call journalism." I know! Is it fear? I'm not sure. Not liking to see a streamy essay on a blog site certainly is conservative and uncreative on the part of the douchebagerati (<- love that term). Why should it be threatening? I don't get that. I hate the piling on and have tried to understand it. It does seem clear that this camp thought it could make you look unpopular with the boss. When that didn't work they tried to run you off with insults. Good for you for turning to face the crowd instead. I wish I could run demographics on all of the commenters. Many of the critics mention your age and I have to think a good share of them are puppies?"
- Amyloo
Re: What is Your Real Name? - http://www.disqus.com/people...
""Perhaps the most perplexing reaction of all in the comment cloud is the fear of new ideas, new forms, new experiments in this thing most of us should never call journalism." I know! Is it fear? I'm not sure. Not liking to see a streamy essay on a blog site certainly is conservative and uncreative on the part of the douchebagerati (<- love that term). Why should it be threatening? I don't get that. I hate the piling on and have tried to understand it. It does seem clear that this camp thought it could make you look unpopular with the boss. When that didn't work they tried to run you off with insults. Good for you for turning to face the crowd instead. I wish I could run demographics on all of the commenters. Many of the critics mention your age and I have to think a good share of them are puppies?"
- Amyloo
Gillmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PST participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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Leaving Oracle to cozy up to RIM after securing rights to Android.
- cliveb
who'son today?
- dlature
I am
- Kevin Marks
I am, waiting for the famous Skype call...
- Robert Scoble
Hi everybody. Happy revolution.
- Amyloo
I think I'm on. Literally but perhaps not figuratively.
- John Taschek
Amyloo: which one? The one in Egypt or the one in Nokia? This is the Gillmor Gang! :-)
- Robert Scoble
I figure it's always safe to assume the GG as defined by Steve can very well include politics, music and comedy.
- Amyloo
Overthrowing dictators is only slightly more important than phone vendor sports, Robert ;p
- Michael Breslin
Amyloo: politics, music, and comedy pretty much explains what's going on inside Nokia. :-)
- Robert Scoble
so then happy turkey day?
- Ankush Narula
If the army is running things. That doesn't sound much more positive, does it?
- Stephen Pickering
Happy revolutionary day!
- Robert Scoble
Who knows how either of these stories will turn out? o_O
- coldbrew
lol...they say Apple kicked their ass and then do a deal with MSFT?
- Karoli
Scoble, who is the dictator? Microsoft?
- Matt Terenzio
Not sure I'd like the idea of the U.S. Army taking control but . . .
- Matt Terenzio
Nokia's market cap is 35 billion
- Stephen Pickering
I'm sure it used to be north of 100 billion
- Stephen Pickering
Nokia's existing developer community will now move to Android - not Windows Phone 7.
- Ankush Narula
Ankush: the Nokia developer community is irrelevant. If they WERE relevant we would be using Nokia devices.
- Robert Scoble
There is certainly a good chance this partnership can work. MS shows a willingness to throw large amounts of cash, but NOK does seem to be throwing in the towel.
- coldbrew
Apple and Google absolutely need each other equally. They are like two stars in a dual star system locked in a gravitational dance
- Stephen Pickering
I don't get this whole internet + call stuff, I have a Droid Incredible and have basically never wanted to do that.
- Eric Florenzano
Ankush: and, anyway, WinPhone7 has better developer tools.
- Robert Scoble
Apple needs Google's data, Google needs Apple's distribution
- Stephen Pickering
Lost connection
- Robert Scoble
Call me back Tina...
- Robert Scoble
Robert: It's a big culture shift - essentially Nokia is becoming Microsoft Jr. by dumping all of their platforms and tools. Won't this won't cause a shakeup internally at Nokia and with Nokia's partners?
- Ankush Narula
If either Apple or Google got rid of each other, they would lose too much credibility in the marketplace
- Stephen Pickering
I'm not arguing against the merits of WP7
- Ankush Narula
I've had this computer for months and just had to install silverlight. That speaks volumes of Silverlight lack of traction.
- Matt Terenzio
whats silverlight? :P
- Nick Halstead
Great comments, Ankush and Stephen
- John Taschek
HP went the other way
- Ankush Narula
Thanks John! :-)
- Stephen Pickering
Thanks John
- Ankush Narula
OpenOffice really needs a lot of work...it's really still not there yet.
- Eric Florenzano
Florenzano: Only if you need some of the more advanced excel functions.
- coldbrew
coldbrew: I dunno, I find every time I need to use it, I run into something weird that I can't quite do properly in OO.
- Eric Florenzano
I dont buy into that Microsoft is going to get any App development traction - and without Apps its doomed
- Nick Halstead
Nick: well, Angry Birds isn't on WinPhone7
- Robert Scoble
Nick: I wonder if IE9 will lend any credence to Microsoft's position on HTML5 vs Silverlight
- Ankush Narula
Ankush: I've been told that inside Microsoft Silverlight is dead. Windows 8 will be a BIG bet on HTML5.
- Robert Scoble
...and the cloud :)
- coldbrew
Robert: I've heard similar sentiments
- Ankush Narula
Ankush: but Silverlight will kick along for a few years, just like Visual Basic kicked along for a few years after they stopped caring about that.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble: I'm pretty sure Silverlight is Windows Phone 7's main development platform, isn't it?
- Eric Florenzano
"sure, you pay heavily for a fast internet connection that is always on, but servers are hard. Pay us a monthly fee. It is SO much easier"
- coldbrew
:)
- coldbrew
Silverlight is dead is a big story. But it makes sense for Microsoft to do this.
- John Taschek
I would be surprised if they went all in on HTML5, but hell, that would be the kind of thing that's crazy enough to work...especially to get developers on board.
- Eric Florenzano
In the 70s there three networks. Today there are two. hehehheh
- Stephen Pickering
Does the death of silverlight mean that devs are already being redirected away from the silverlight WP7 toolkit?
- John Taschek
Eric: for now, but it's clear that WinPhone7 will move toward HTML 5 in future.
- Robert Scoble
BGR just posted that HP TouchPad planned for June, priced at $699?
- Kenny
And so WP7, Android and webOS all seem to be aligning behind HTML5 apps. Even Bret Taylor is talking about killing native FB apps.
- Ankush Narula
Shouldn't you differentiate among silverlight wpf AND .net?
- coldbrew
Microsoft is now going to be run by engineers - so HTML5 fits in. http://doctordisruptive.wordpress.com/2011...
- John Taschek
Kenny: Single SKU? Contract?
- coldbrew
The only third party that would survive would be one that is lighter and faster, especially for mobile.
- Aron Michalski
John: will the engineers publicly behead Steve Ballmer first?
- Ankush Narula
Newsmix is another Flipboard like player by Sobees that's worth a look http://lifestreamblog.com/trunk-l...
- Mark Krynsky
what evidence is there that people are aligning behind html5 apps? if anything it is the opposite... apps are very much still the most popular way to deploy for mobile
- Jamie
coldbrew: it doesn't say. Just a quick small post no real details other then price and month. http://www.bgr.com/2011...
- Kenny
Here we go, Links are dead again. ; )
- Matt Terenzio
Jamie: I'm speaking of deployment methodology as well as development tools.
- Ankush Narula
Remember track via XMPP?
- coldbrew
Are there clouds or fog in John T's location? ;-)
- Aron Michalski
Why does John look like he's dial up using on a Webcam from 1990 :) Bad video
- Kenny
John T is in an aquarium
- Ankush Narula
track via XMPP...those were the hours...
- Aron Michalski
heh, thanks for following my list, John! http://twitter.com/jromeh...
- Jerome Hughes
I think Facebook's whole philosophy is that your friends need to become your filter on everything, and they think that hasn't happened yet for news.
- Eric Florenzano
It looks like the Nokia sauna-cam...
- Aron Michalski
asking the crowd, who else should be on that list ? :D
- Jerome Hughes
I thought newtwitter took it clearly out of the social network category?
- coldbrew
twitter is how I get a lot of my news
- Kenny
For those of us normal people there is a huge lurk factor.
- coldbrew
I have a pretty similar friends base on Twitter and Facebook (pretty geeky) and Twitter is by far more for sharing news/links whereas Facebook is more about personal status updates. This is in part because of how people treat the services differently. Facebook more about small private friends (reciprocal) vs. Twitter more open (public follows)
- Mark Krynsky
I think my wife is running Pandora One and it sucked bandwidth. So I am in the fog and the aquarium, even though it's a sunny day in San Francisco!
- John Taschek
people can't always tell twitter from facebook: http://www.someecards.com/2011...
- Kevin Marks
Is John in Egypt? heheheheheh
- Stephen Pickering
Kevin....hah awesome.
- Mark Krynsky
Maybe John just is blurry -- even if you saw him in person.
- Amyloo
:)
- Kenny
Kevin: People can't tell Facebook from ReadWriteWeb :) http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
- Eric Florenzano
Gillmor stubble: the return! Like it Steve, very rugged.
- Denise Howell
John is Big Foot! http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Ankush Narula
Amyloo - yes - I have heard that before.
- John Taschek
NGL could have done it ;-)
- Aron Michalski
johnT must be in pacifica fog zone
- cliveb
Jerome, list looks good; I might prune it a bit rather than add... ;-)
- Aron Michalski
Damn, I need to get upgrade my Polaroid "Land" webcam and get into the real world.
- John Taschek
We should force Gabe to use a headphone. :-)
- Robert Scoble
What is Gabe playing with that makes that weird noise?
- Robert Scoble
It's the Dorian Gray model Logitech.
- Aron Michalski
We should force Gillmor to get a razor ;)
- Kenny
Google hired Social star Ed Chi
- cliveb
Sounds like prayer beads.
- Denise Howell
I thought that was Elizabeth Taylor
- Matt Terenzio
We had an audible potty flush today on TWiL; perhaps my proudest moment as a host.
- Denise Howell
I just want to be a fly on the wall when Arrington has his first fight with Ms. Huffington
- Ankush Narula
Well getting the Howard Fineman's to Huffpo, isn't that just play out of Citizen Kane's playbook?
- Stephen Pickering
Google moving up social http://twitter.com/edchi...
- cliveb
I like Daily Beast as a competitor to huffpo on the writing side.
- Denise Howell
I think they get a lot of traffic to their gossip stories. Gabe might have a idea of how much.
- Amyloo
Denise: good point!
- Robert Scoble
I can't read any of it. No idea about any of it. Pretty sure its barley tech related.
- coldbrew
started off politically wonky, now has a fine crust of TMZ all over it...
- Aron Michalski
thx, Aron! find it pretty useful, in a crude sort of way
- Jerome Hughes
I'm using my essential list to generate a paper.li page...
- Aron Michalski
All of a sudden I keep hearing about Readability. The other liberrians were just talking about it.
- Laura Norvig
did John request anonymity today?
- Kevin Marks
That's it; he's in witness protection!!!
- Aron Michalski
Readability and Instapaper are essential these days. The web is cluttered with crappy layouts and terrible font choices.
- Ankush Narula
Gillmor said I wasn't allowed to talk as much as usual today so I had to underground. I thought he meant literally.
- John Taschek
Been using 2-step authentication for about 6 weeks - it's great. I've generated about 30 passwords for different apps and devices.
- Ankush Narula
What's Last Pass? I heard good things about that
- Stephen Pickering
That's a simple password manager.
- coldbrew
I've used 1Password for a while now
- Leah Culver
that's how I feel. I don't care if someone gets my stuff. All public anyway
- Francine Hardaway
is Scoble using auto-tune?
- Aron Michalski
i have an RSA key for my payroll, but it never works right
- Francine Hardaway
Autotune?Is that like IamTPain?
- Francine Hardaway
Aron: hahah! That would be fun to try!
- Robert Scoble
Chatter UI/UX srlsy needs TLC
- cliveb
now we are talking about my world...
- Aron Michalski
Auto tune the building43? :)
- Eric Florenzano
If you can get away with just an iPad your not doing much work
- Kenny
Francine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Aron Michalski
They can't buy RIM. RIM's too big
- Stephen Pickering
They should buy HTC.
- Eric Florenzano
RIM has grown 20 per cent per quarter in the last 4 years right in the teeth of Apple and Android
- Stephen Pickering
RIMs market cap is 33bn... MS have more than that in csh.
- Jamie
Oracle buys RIM after Larry lawyers beat up Googles for Android.
- cliveb
Yeah, so they're gonna give all their cash away to have a metal bender?
- Stephen Pickering
very soft focus
- Jerome Hughes
I just don't see that RIM is losing - I see Blackberries everywhere and I see them selling all the time. Not to mention that they're pretty entrenched in government and enterprise.
- Ankush Narula
Too late -- biz already moving to Android. At least according to my workplace mobile stats.
- Amyloo
Buying HTC would not only stunt Android's largest OEM, but HTC has proven that they're competent and well-led.
- Eric Florenzano
He's using Cher's cinematographer...
- Aron Michalski
not saying they will do it - but the idea that RIM is too big is false.
- Jamie
borders going bankrupt, good job ebooks!
- Michael Breslin
BlackBerries > BlackOracles
- cliveb
33bn is two years cash
- Jamie
RIM just keeps growing like crazy. 1 billion in after tax profits last quarter
- Stephen Pickering
SP: exactly
- Ankush Narula
Aro nski I think that's the tech behind I am TPain
- Francine Hardaway
cliveb: check it out, thoughts? http://www.eweek.com/c...
- Kenny
HP seems to be targeting RIm more so than others. cliveb: I like that oracle/rim possible partnership idea.
- coldbrew
the range of Android is easily from $29 to $500, and still android makes about $7 a head.
- Aron Michalski
Android's notification is way better than iphone
- Stephen Pickering
iphone's notification awful
- Kenny
they already do use webkit dont they?
- Jamie
They have moved to WebKit - the Torch
- Ankush Narula
and the bulk of RIMs audience is actually NOT enterprise, but consumer. ppl underestimate bbm
- Jamie
Kenny - IcedRobot fork, yes. But Google will cave to Oracle.
- cliveb
Francine, yes it is, as an effect but it is mainly to repair the humanity of the human voice. Watch Glee and see how much soul is sucked out of it by productions decision to run it through the software.
- Aron Michalski
Won't Blackberry become less relevant as e-mail use declines?
- Amyloo
Exactly. Google and Apple need each other
- Stephen Pickering
cliveb: really? hmmm, it'll be interesting
- Kenny
I agree with Robert - RIM/Microsoft would be pretty strong
- Ankush Narula
yeah and google is broke - lol
- Kenny
the cream, the cream, it's on the shelf!
- Jerome Hughes
Ankush: RIM/Microsoft/Nokia. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: yup
- Ankush Narula
If RIM is a loser, I'd love to be a loser. They are doing gangbusters. Look at their financials
- Stephen Pickering
Rimsoftia?
- John Taschek
JT: Sounds dirty
- Ankush Narula
Stephen - have heard the same said of MS here many times
- Jerome Hughes
Micrimia?
- John Taschek
Stephen: be careful, you gotta read them the right way. RIM is in deep trouble, just like Nokia is.
- Robert Scoble
The dumbphone market will go along with my @cgerrish discussion, the off the grid/on the grid one, where identity and legality will blip on and off.
- Aron Michalski
RIM OS is what 18 yrs old...
- cliveb
What semi is Oracle going after? Larry said he would acquire?
- coldbrew
cliveb: I think QNX is RIM's current bet
- Ankush Narula
Marvell?
- coldbrew
Stephen: read this about RIM: http://mobileopportunity.blogspot.com/2010...
- Robert Scoble
I will say Apple will remain the leader in tablets, not because it's so much better but it's very good and priced extremely well...unlike the over price Android tablets, they are very good but over priced
- Kenny
Voice/text is a given dumbphone feature but will the web be?
- Aron Michalski
Thanks Robert!
- Stephen Pickering
I don't think the average consumer is buying an Android phone though... they are buying SE, HTC, LG phones etc..
- Jamie
well use them for more then a day
- Kenny
If I could only afford 5 phones...
- Aron Michalski
Unrelated note: Thought I saw a young Scoble in the HBO Reagan documentary. Is that possible?
- Alex de Soto
Ankush - ONX makes sense, but Oracle wants to crush SAP's mobile stratgey
- cliveb
Alex: hah. I was at a Reagan rally once.
- Robert Scoble
holy crap
- Kenny
What context did you think you saw me? My photo of Reagan is still hanging in the Republican Headquarters in Silicon Valley.
- Robert Scoble
iAppleScripting
- Jerome Hughes
Tiny, seconds-long clip of someone in a crowd commenting on the country's situation.
- Alex de Soto
2.2 does
- Aron Michalski
Alex: I doubt it. But I did get a great photo of him.
- Robert Scoble
Not all Android apps jump but a bunch do; as well of those who use the browser as an engine so it's just tabs.
- Aron Michalski
Robert: Check it out. It just might be you. :)
- Alex de Soto
Oops, did everyone's video just drop or is it just me?
- Kenny
ah, its back
- Kenny
reminds of the TSR daze
- Jerome Hughes
It's really cool to see new versions of Android apps all finding these good features, especially the "move to SD card" one...
- Aron Michalski
Anyone care to comment on the use of "post-PC era" ?
- coldbrew
Someone is typing furiously, ha!
- Eric Florenzano
He's counting all that cash he's making
- Stephen Pickering
Scobleizer vs. Quora? :P
- Eric Florenzano
he's left the building
- Jerome Hughes
Talk about Instagram Robert! ehheheheheheheheheheh
- Stephen Pickering
Nice when GoogleTV app market opens. Planning a GillmorGang App
- cliveb
iPad 2 will be out before the touchpad
- Jamie
also the Pre 2 is about to come out on Verizon but they just announced the Pre 3...who's gonna buy a Pre 2 right now
- Kenny
HP? Microsoft/Nokia? Android? Bah. It's about ecosystem. Here's what's coming: http://ankush.posterous.com/the-fut...
- Ankush Narula
THe problem with HP is that great geniuses always have weaknesses, and like how they got rid of Hurd, they won't allow any CEO that has any weakness which loses the genius part
- Stephen Pickering
cliveb: I hope I can get some functionality on mythTV :)
- coldbrew
careful; Gillmor may be Apple only, an Android app would be blasphemous.
- Aron Michalski
Michalski: It makes him feels safe, and I don't think he is alone.
- coldbrew
"Groupware!"
- Ankush Narula
coldbrew: indeed. Google hired IE leader to head up GoogleTV app market place
- cliveb
ROA!
- Jerome Hughes
I learned Twitter from Scoble and Leo. If I'd only joined 3 weeks earlier I could have been @stephen !
- Stephen Pickering
Novell was way ahead of its time - distributed computing, the channel, the CNE ...and Groupware!
- John Taschek
JT: Agreed
- Ankush Narula
and then there was Newton…
- Jerome Hughes
Twitter found its highest, best use today when Steve Martin tweeted "Dancin' by the Nile," followed by "Mubarak's dancin' wear: dress socks, sandals, bag over head."
- Denise Howell
Idea: use keyboard drumming as a special podcast way of applauding or saying "Hear, hear!"
- Amyloo
Timing is everything.
- John Taschek
Let's see what they can do with wave under Apache.
- coldbrew
JohnT why did Novell fade away?
- cliveb
They are a lead conributor.
- coldbrew
It's like the chorus murmuring...
- Aron Michalski
Steve G invariably is right with these predictions
- Jamie
transformational
- Jerome Hughes
Exactly, Aron.
- Amyloo
JohnT: they were out run by Microsoft. When I saw Windows 3.11 and NT I knew it was over for Novell. They couldn't compete with that.
- Robert Scoble
Why is it always after companies like Google, FB, and Twitter become big doe their paradigms seem so obvious?
- Stephen Pickering
Robert: agreed
- Ankush Narula
Twitter was obvious to me in 2007. It just takes a lot of you a long time to catch up.
- Robert Scoble
emphatic paper crumpling
- Jerome Hughes
because once we see them being used, we develop intuitions for them
- Kevin Marks
Twitter might have aided in the Egyptian revolution. But in the end, a good old phone call to GW Bush from Mubarak helped the former dictator dodge a million pairs of shoes.
- Ankush Narula
I mean back in 2004 when I was tooling around with a retail store, I could have been building Facebook!
- Stephen Pickering
Novell played a game that it wasn't good at - buying WordPerfect to compete with Microsoft. Not upping the ante in the ring 0 versus ring 3 debate. Getting crushed in the channel too.
- John Taschek
Apple buying boxcar
- Jamie
Golf clap - lol
- Kenny
Jamie: Really?
- Eric Florenzano
Jamie: That would be interesting.
- Eric Florenzano
JohnT / RobertS - novell thx
- cliveb
Re: Novell - agree with Robert.
- John Taschek
encore!
- Jerome Hughes
you're good.
- Aron Michalski
What will the FB and Twitter of 5 years from now be so that I can put my energies to good use? hehehe
- Stephen Pickering
Boxcar/Apple: http://www.cultofmac.com/apple-i...
- Ankush Narula
skate to where the puck will be...
- Jerome Hughes
glimpsing of new loop app?
- cliveb
What was it that Jerry Garcia said? "We would have sold out if anyone was buying what we were doing..."
- Aron Michalski
have a good week everyone
- Ankush Narula
Hughes: you have to give Gretsky credit there :)
- coldbrew
RT: skate to where the puck will be... - Jerome Hughes
- cliveb
coldbrew: and Christensen
- Jerome Hughes
See ya everybody. and the Hansen Brothers.
- Aron Michalski
hasn't had padded glasses for 38 years ->
- Jerome Hughes
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