"The news that creditors of Dubai World will not be made whole by either the governments of Dubai or Abu Dhabi is still being absorbed by the markets and journalists, many of whom assumed that a bailout was in the works."
- Itachi
from Bookmarklet
Then again, Dubai is really small and doesn't have the rabid, panic-mongering media to whip the population into a morbid fear of total economic collapse in the case of no bailout. I firmly believe the reasons behind the most recent recession are as much rooted in psychological snowballing as they are in economics and hard numbers.
- LANjackal
For businesses who maintain a web presence, the survey's findings highlight the potential consequences of ignoring the mobile web. There are more people surfing mobile sites than ever before - 56.9 million as of July, according to Nielsen. Companies who haven't given consideration to their mobile websites aren't just losing customers for that initial attempted transaction that goes bad - they're possibly losing those customers for good seeing as how many of those frustrated users claim they won't ever return to the site in question.
- Amy Gahran
Too bad it didn't say what phones were used so we'd semi-know what browsers were used and what the experience was. The speed and experience on the iPhone seems pretty good. As far as claiming they'll never return - That's questionable and is only a factor if ones' competitors have a better mobile site for them to go to and that's unlikely. A lot of the answers are unrealistic - like as fast as their desktop - but then the questions might have been slued since the study was done by an optimization company.
- PXLated
another great reason for companies to embrace SM such as twitter or facebook, which have skilled developers optimizing the interface for various platforms
- Mike Chelen
Yet, services like Boxee use RSS to pull in content from streaming services. Any 3rd party would be insane to rely on Twitter as a central aggregation point unless they liked seeing FAIL Whales all the time.
- Jason Huebel
FriendFeed uses RSS as well. It's how I read this article.
- Jesse Stay
twitter is manual while rss is automagic ;)
- Anthony Farrior
I'd say FriendFeed/Twitter has more growth headroom where RSS is somewhat stalled (and currently unfashionable). Polemics are still immature
- oliver marks
same arguments were used against RSS originally.
- Steve Gillmor
Oliver that's ridiculous. As Twitter/FriendFeed grows, so does RSS. RSS is their backbone.
- Jesse Stay
@oliver, RSS is hardly stalled. It's included-- by default-- in all major/notable CMS's, blogs, etc.
- Jason Huebel
@Steve, yes but RSS is an open standard. You aren't required to rely on any one company. With respect, that is the flaw in your argument.
- Jason Huebel
Jason: why is RSS more open than Twitter or FriendFeed?
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, because no one single company controls it
- Jesse Stay
Twitter doesn't control micromessaging
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, if Twitter or FriendFeed dies, RSS lives on. If Dave Winer dies, it lives on.
- Jesse Stay
Sorry Steve, this is just a totally silly debate heh
- Chris Saad
But your argument is that Twitter would be the replacement for RSS.
- Jason Huebel
Steve, I didn't say I was bored. I said it was a silly debate, agreeing with Chris.
- Jesse Stay
Steve, so it seems they aren't going to be replacing RSS any time soon if all of this is powered by RSS
- Jesse Stay
I'm bored and I think there is far more important angles and issues on the table that need to discussed and I wish you would add your voice to those instead
- Chris Saad
I've often wondered why people stick around for silly debates.
- Steve Gillmor
@Steve do you mean twitter is the new way to promo content? I would say in that context you have a point
- Anthony Farrior
jesse: all this stuff is powered by all the stuff that came first
- Steve Gillmor
Steve says "Twitter is replacing RSS" All the arguments here are not addressing that issue, they're saying why RSS is better. That's beside the point. Lisp is best programming language in the world, no one uses it.
- Phil Windley
parse my words but please don't replace them and expect me to agree
- Steve Gillmor
So to replace means something has to not exist any more. I'm very confused.
- Jesse Stay
metaphors can be confusing. I feel your pain
- Steve Gillmor
Phil, but everyone still uses RSS. Not the same argument.
- Jesse Stay
twitter recommends content. Are you saying you now prefer what other people give you instead of picking rss feeds to read yourself?
- Anthony Farrior
okay setting up my new blog i ll replace the rss-feed with a follow me on twitter banner and then redirect updates for new posts to my twitter stream'? seriously, wtf ;-)
- michael h
RSS value & use models are well understood: Twitter is still a mystery to most. RSS scale is an issue: becomes a pavlovian recursive exercise where Twitter is more freeform
- oliver marks
ANthony: no, I choose the people who recommend articles and they provide a more efficient way of handling the flow
- Steve Gillmor
@Steve Ahhh I think I understand .... The "human" suggestion factor instead of the cold push factor
- Anthony Farrior
anthony yes, but not instead. the replacement is gradual and never one or the other
- Steve Gillmor
@anthony thats an answer, why not BOTH ;-) ? I don t get the big fuss bout the issue. anyone should choose
- michael h
There's still a place for both factors. RSS fits in quite nicely with the social element.
- Jesse Stay
@Steve the people you choose to recommend you content probably use RSS so you are just moving down one link further
- Anthony Farrior
Anthony, exactly - Social is simply a layer on top of RSS. It will grow with social, but like it is currently, not everyone will use it directly.
- Jesse Stay
I don't think anything has changed in that matter.
- Jesse Stay
Lets see the list of the once that stoped using RSS ...anyone here ?
- Johni Fisher
I cant see no one here that will drop the RSS for Twitter ,when you say replacing it is not the right word in my opinion as we all keep our RSS feeds incoming or outgoing at our blogs etc ... Twitter is an additional stvc but not more than that ,,
- Johni Fisher
understand that johni. don't agree in the larger context of the trend.
- Steve Gillmor
Other important point is the comercial one , I cant see yet the way that we all can benefit from Twitter or a way that Twitter can get an important income from this replacement ,in compare to Google reader or the others ..money move the world if I am not wrong :-))
- Johni Fisher
yes johni, it is harder to see where the money will come, but it will be clearer very soon.
- Steve Gillmor
oh boy I forgot you are now part of the techcrunch gang, you probably know something we don't...Is greader about replace rss feeds for twitter updates? *nervous lol*
- Anthony Farrior
I think that there is no other way for Twitter to make 2010 without Google ,when this will come the change with the integration to Wave will be able to replace the RSS ,in the case that you have this info at your side we can agree
- Johni Fisher
RSS is a way of pushing out content. There is no need to push it out if it is live.
- Garin Kilpatrick
I don't RSS going anywhere. There will always be uses for it. But there are always many different ways of digesting information
- Seth Goldstein
There are some truths in here that go beyond the narrow "social" or "tech" tag. Great read.
- Aron Michalski
So is RSS the http://tinyurl.com/first-m... or candidate for oldest "living" http://www.scotsmagazine.com/ ? I'm hopeful most folks reading and contributing here were party to the orgy of exuberance for Gopher... I mean HTTP. RSS as it exists today will be something that gets leapfrogged as every other moment-in-time solution has so far. Sitting back and clinging to RSS format is just [insert widget] attention span competition. Format wars are mutually assured stagnation. Stagnation is death.
- Jay Cuthrell
So, I was wondering... does RSS afford this kind of debate as part of its structure?
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff - sure, we just post our comments to each other on the doors of the Schlosskirche via RSS
- Jay Cuthrell
RSS is dying a slow death. So long as content is syndicated RSS will remain alive; right now RSS is alive and well. But the life of online technologies are short, since technologies shift, and once online content distribution shifts fully from syndication to synchronization RSS will be dead. The Real-Time web will have killed it.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Francine just gave me a RSS-FOAF flashback :)
- Jay Cuthrell
Twitter is not real-time for putting through blog links unless someone happens to be on the news site, reads the article, and posts a link to Twitter within minutes (unless the author manually posts the link). Pubsubhubbub will still beat that by minutes or seconds. Many like me feed through to Twitter using Twitterfeed which uses typical RSS technology.
- beersage
Twitter claims to be real-time but it is not there yet. Neither is ff, but they are closer. I am excited to see the mark the Google wave makes on this scene.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Francine, I think Scoble tried to be friends with everybody but it didn't work out.
- Cliff Gerrish
Does this argument matter? Is it more than a way to pass the time?
- Michael Markman
Is there a compelling reason to further evangelize your point? We get it it. Fantastic, for you, it's dead. Makes perfect sense. But at this point you're not just beating a dead horse, you're beating the top soil covering the hole in which you buried the horse. How about we move on to more constructive things.
- Benjamin Taylor
Benjamin: I wrote this in May. Others continue to discuss it. I will respond when my ethics or credibility is attacked. Various folks have asked me to elaborate and I have. If you're tired of it, unfollow me. And expressing what I see as valuable is never unconstructive from my perspective. Leaving insinuation and misinformation unchallenged is unconstructive imo.
- Steve Gillmor
Tremendous news. Looking forward to it.
- Mike Doeff
Sweet. - Gillmor Gang was one of my favorite couple hours of the week. Dave and Marshall are doing a nice job over at bad hair day - but I am definitely excited for the return of GG.
- andrew
Truly glad to hear it! Also like the NGL sign on your Twitpic. :)
- Karoli
Whooooooooooo----f'king hoooooooooo! It's on my Calendar-in-the-Cloud
- Francine Hardaway
More comebacks than Sinatra, yay :-) Will there be a podcast of it too, pretty please for your *fans* that can't make the time schedule?
- Scottish Lass
Somebody better update the Wikipedia entry...
- Cliff Gerrish
YES! YES! YES! Thank you Steve - this makes me happy!
- Michael Pinto
For those on the other side of the planet will you be able to grab the show via RSS - oh I forgot RSS is dead, right?
- John Chrisoulakis
So happy GG is coming back (again). Literally the highlight of an otherwise rough day. Don't care what network it's on, as long as Steve gets to herd his intellectually stimulating mix of "cats". Thanks Steve. :)
- Dr. Apps
from twhirl
"To share files on friendfeed.com, simply click the "Files" link underneath the post box and select which files you want to include. You can also share files by including them as attachments on emails sent to share@friendfeed.com."
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
We have a rolling 24-hour limit for the number and size of files you can upload, but you probably shouldn't hit it unless you are sharing really big stuff.
- Bret Taylor
Are the files public when accessed via direct link? Or do they require authentication?
- Mark Trapp
Any other files that don't work with it?
- Kol Tregaskes
What's the file attachment size limit?
- imabonehead
Kol: i assume you can attach video? it just won't play in-line? or did i misinterpret that?
- Frankie Warren
@imabonehead, from Bret's comment above: "We have a rolling 24-hour limit for the number and size of files you can upload, but you probably shouldn't hit it unless you are sharing really big stuff."
- Dan Hsiao
I tried it with both a txt and a rar file but neither seemed to work (the message was posted without a file attached). [Update: works now for me]
- Philipp Lenssen
Gonna give a big W00T!! to this before I even read the whole thing...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Now all I need is a number where I can call and leave a VM that gets changed into an audio file, and I can get rid of drop.io for good! Yeah, we're never happy are we? Sorry....
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
All we need now is a calendaring system and support for source code.
- imabonehead
mp3 sharing works in FriendFeed? Just when I'm thinking to share some 'musiclets' from time to time via Tumblr! mhh.. interesting, really!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
this is awesome, i was literally just trying to do this last night on one of our team feeds and had to post links to published google docs instead. going to try it out now. it's like they read my mind.
- Mike Elliott
Kol...we use Drop.io all the time here at my office. This would be great as it is supremely simpler. But approved file types and sizes needs to be understood.
- JA Castillo
Mitch, that would be an option, but I can only imagine the opportunity for the wrong voice file to go to the wronge feed...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
And Akiva is right...where do we start donating?!
- JA Castillo
If we had basic HTML support for first comments on FF, it could almost be used for mail (at least for forwarding and reading mail to and on it).
- Kol Tregaskes
JA, a list of supported file types, limits and sizes is needed... please. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
This will go a long way in convincing some of my Yahoo Groups to move to FF. Although we must have a list of file types supported, retention times and also if there is a max number of d/l's.
- Gil Francisco III
This is awesome but I'm also concerned about the type of people this might bring to the FF community.
- Johnny
Gil, I'm seriously considering moving my Y!Groups list members from there to FF.
- Kol Tregaskes
This is one of those features that people don't complain about even though they didn't ask the community prior to launching ;)
- Frankie Warren
Dare I ask about Boobies.jpg.virus.exe? - Oops Casey says they are virus scanned
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Jannifer: RIAA and MPAA, specifically. Say someone shares a copyrighted song or something...RIAA gets cranky.
- Jordan Hofker
Am I the only person that thinks this is an incredibly bad idea?
- Jason Nunnelley
.m4a files sent from the iPhone's Voice Memos feature aren't given a player but are making it through the mail to FF feature. Any support for a player coming down the line?
- Christopher Harley
How about .zip s that are password-protected? Reject I hope... (edit) .zip not supported at all, I gather, good!
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
yeah search by filetype absolutely! filetype:pdf, filetype:mp3, filetype:zip, filetype:doc etc.
- Nathan Chase
Christoper: (via Bret) "Unfortunately we only can play back MP3s at this point. The iPhone voice memos are in M4A (AAC), so we really want to support them, but it is a bit more difficult with Flash and our media setup at the moment."
- Ross Miller
I'm not sure that I'm going to use that feature (I rarely share docs over the internet that weren't created in Zoho or GDocs, anyway), but still it looks pretty neato.
- Miss Elle
Bret, do you have any restrictions to protect against music filesharers etc so you do not become an RIAA target?
- Travis Koger
@ Travis: I was just wondering the same.
- Brian Chang
Bret Taylor, a friend of mine uploaded 1 mp3 and it disappeared. Now he can't upload any mp3 file, seeing a [The "" file type is not supported]. Broken message?
- Jason Nunnelley
"You can only upload 3 audio files every day. Please try again later." Too bad because I was really just trying to see what files worked. .wav aint one of them. No audio notes from Evernote, iPhone, iProRecorder. I soooo want to love this but It's not doing what I need it to do. This feature needs to support some kind of multi photo post with a recording appended to the message. That should be right out of the box. Video needs to come right behind it. Music is cool but citizen journalism is even cooler.
- Christopher Harley
I haven't tested this but, how exactly are you determining audio file types, just using the file extension. If so there is a work around with a simple file rename, an example would be if you change an .mp3 to a .pdf and let people rename it once it becomes local on their machine. EDIT: This workaround would also allow video to be transferred.
- Jimminy Fuller
Maybe I don't know enough, but doesn't this kind of open the door to slipping malicious code to unsuspecting users?
- Fleagle
this is the best thing I know this morning when I open my eyes, well done!
- K.D.
Fleagle: It is possible that someone would do that but FriendFeed is fairly well self monitored. It is still a small group of people in comparison to other networks.
- Jimminy Fuller
Glad for this feature, though perhaps close partnership with Box.net or similar could keep FF storage costs better contained? Not criticizing, just hoping Core Team doesn't get distracted by extending (and babysitting) commodity services. Keep up the great work!
- michael silverton
So we can setup private groups and share questionable files ? :)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
That's pretty much what I was saying, Ahsan. I did one earlier as a test to prove my point, (NOTE: it is a clean file, direct from Revision 3) at http://friendfeed.com/jimminy...
- Jimminy Fuller
Hmmm @Ryo, good catch, posting directly from Android to FF your voice messages, would be cool!
- Ozkan Altuner
Can we tell the lawyers that they "won" and give them all the money? Then start over with a new set of I.P. laws and a new currency? Pretty please?
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
This is great. I'll try this instead of posting to Ipernity.
- Rick Cogley
Seems like a good step in the right direction indeed the concerns are founded based on previous experiences but it is a good start.
- Ubuntu101
Is it possible to set it up as part of the feed like a podcast?
- Ubuntu101
Excellento - inline playing of mp3 files at last - this will be dangerous. But is there are limit??
- Chris Loft
embedding mp3's is just fine when it works .. I've been trying to get a podcast rss feed I have setup imported for the past 8 hours straight only to find out that each time it's not importing squat.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
I take that back it worked once but everything in the description tags showed up twice.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
Can us folks with Symbian OS-based devices have some Adaptive Multi-Rate codec/AMR file love, too? I believe that some Samsung and NEC phones also use that audio file format...
- Tyson Key
Oh, and Google Earth KML files, and Ogg Vorbis files aren't supported right now either, for what it's worth. Still, it's a nice idea, so far.
- Tyson Key
Tried to share an .hta file with Micah yesterday....couldn't attach it. Tried to zip it and still couldn't attach it. Ended up tossing it in my dropbox and posting the link. :-(
- April Russo (app103)
There's a line in Swiss Family Robinson about wrapping one in a thong, so they can more easily float it to shore. To this day I have no clue what that means.
- Matthew DeVries
"Video For Everybody is very simply a chunk of HTML code that embeds a video into a website using the HTML5 <video> element which offers native playback in Firefox 3.5 and Safari 3 & 4 ... In other browsers that do not support <video>, it falls back to Adobe Flash ... If Flash is not installed, QuickTime is used (which allows playback on the iPhone) ... If QuickTime is not installed then Windows Media Player is used in Internet Explorer for Windows Vista and above. ... Finally, if all else fails, a warning is issued that provides links to download the video, and links to software relevant to getting the video to play within the browser itself. ... This is all done without JavaScript and requires only two video encodes, one OGG file for Firefox 3.5, and one MP4 file for everything else (Flash / Safari / iPhone)."
- l.m.orchard
being able to splice tracks into a larger stream would be perfect, I've been playing with the ability to search by service and then trying to put that together with some of my existing lists...can't quite figure out how to do it yet. Interesting to me that the conference froze Evan of identi.ca out, saying there was no agenda for open source microblogging. Such is the nature of the...
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- Karoli
Okay, here's Re-booting the News #10http://www.scripting.com/stories... Topics include: bug catching as an ethic the news producers would do well to adopt, Maureen Dowd, ease-of-use in tech and journalism, Jay's one year on Twitter, Savviness, Elvis Costello's Whats So Funny' Bout Peace Love and Understanding
As usual, I heard only the first part on the way to work, but the mention of EC intrigues... I love the notion of corrections as bug reports. When I launched story-specific feedback at The Sun years ago, the original version was supposed to say: "Did we get it right?" That got boiled down to something less threatening, but even that brought in a lot of valuable critiques from readers. As Dan Gilmor says, your readers know more than you do. Not surprisingly, they're happy to share that knowledge.
- tim windsor
Steve's opening lede: "I like talking about Twitter. I have no problem with Oprah getting hip to Twitter. I have no problem with being left off the Suggested List. I have no problem with Twitter having dropped Track and slowed the micromessaging era until it became totally obvious that Twitter is a transcendent shift in the fabric of the network. All the rest is noise. That’s because of people like the guys who are building out FriendFeed."
- Robert Scoble
The line: "It’s not easy to hold your fire, or speak when you’re afraid of not being perfect" stands out for me. The reason that i've stopped reading blogs, google alerts, etc., is because people have gamed the system. There's way too much noise. I don't think you can do that in realtime so the real interesting people with depth and knowledge appear on my radar in a service like FriendFeed RealTime.
- Troy Benohanian
Troy: that's an interesting insight, but everyone and everything is gamable, me thinks. It's just what systems are more resistant to gaming. Or which ones seem to have no return on gaming investment.
- Robert Scoble
Troy - I think at some point all social systems are going to end up being "gamed" it is the nature of the business and the people who are in it. Not everyone comes from motives of sharing, there are still many people who make money off selling snake oil. That won't change any time soon, but nice comment on this.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
More filtering will help, but don't you think people who are freaked out about realtime mostly either: 1) Can't get comfortable with not attending to every little thing, or 2) Are following too many people?
- Amyloo
per steve, friendfeed's goal is to "foster a suite of tools for managing the rich flow of metadata orbiting content objects on the information network" - i like this concept, which i'm assuming is paraphrased from either bret or paul - this is actually a pretty pro-friendfeed and twitter fanboy light post from steve, who appears to be opening up to the potential that friendfeed is not a waste of time, not that his blessing is necessary but some folks still pay attention to him ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
As Steve mentioned, we're not there yet. The subscribe/block/mute abilities of these services give them the advantage over traditional alerts and email and the gentle culling of your own lists from time to time serve as weeding in your own attention garden. Yet to bloom are the advanced filters and cross-pollination some of us desire but it's early in the growing season (aw crap, can you tell I was in the backyard gardening this morning? Metaphor is always found in real time real life gestures...).
- Aron Michalski
For realtime network fans, the ability to have these platforms co-exist and connect in a timely fashion allows for the exchange of ideas, the experience of a gathering, the ability to riff on someone else's phrase when it's fresh and uncontaminated by time and noise. Sure, chess by mail is fine for some but we now have the ability to sit across the table wherever we are, as many of us who want to play.
- Aron Michalski
And here's an idea; is anyone working on Friendfeed meshing with a comment service (disqus, seesmic, facebook, etc.) in the other direction, our identities optionally posting here and putting our realtime thoughts into the bottom of thoughtful posts, so no matter where you are, there it is?
- Aron Michalski
Disqus is supposed to be doing that on the blog end, not sure about how it would work here. I know the comment stream is fragmented here between blog comments, tweets and friendfeed. given a choice, I'd prefer they aggregate on the blog.
- Karoli
Great quote: "When we understand our metadata, our attention breadcrumbs, our gestures can and are being harvested, syndicated, and metered back to us, will we one more time leave it to the professionals to steal all our money and our childrens’ future?"
- The Neurocritic