I could leave Twitter though, b/c I only use it to feed FF. However, I now have followers on FF that I engage w/far more. It was a day or two before I realized twitter had even dropped s/of my followers, b/c I likely have already subbed w/most on FF before the Internet Duct Tape importer stopped working properly - which is probably when I lost more interest in Twitter. I luv the photo...
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- R. Ferguson
Ruth excellent point - that's why I think Gaping Void could do it too now. It's now much more possible to leave Twitter than it was back then, and for the most part (about 1/2 my followers and people I'm following are on FF now) you won't be leaving your followers and the great networking tool behind.
- Jesse Stay
the open standard social net concept sounds suspiciously like free interaction via the internet. Madness! We must only talk in boxes others create for us.
- Mark Essel
MG: Maryam and I think it is very funny that we first met in the offices that TechCrunch now occupies. "That is their downfall," she says. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Ha. Weird. Okay, I'll alert the team of the impending doom :)
- MG Siegler
Congrats MG. The big question is whether Arrington had a clause in the contract that limited your time spent here on FriendFeed :)
- Mark Krynsky
MG you've gotta convert Michale into loving FF :)~ You're our secret "plant" hehehe
- Susan Beebe
MG Siegler, your mission, should you choose to accept it: find Michael Arrington, strap him down to a chair, tape his eyelids back and force him to watch the glory of the real time feed.
- Mike Nayyar
You're right - people will love this or hate this post. I don't think that Facebook can change its interface THAT much to be as simple as FriendFeed. But now I'm wondering about a related question - will Twitter reduce its simplicity and add functionality to be more like Facebook?
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
Thanks for this stimulating post. Here's why I think it's a mistake for FB to try to emulate FF: My 78 yr old mother is on Facebook, and she would never "get" FF. FB's demographic is getting older, and those folks are joining it not to aggregate the web, but to find old friends and see pictures of their grandkids. Start moving real time and FF's power search and filters front and center and you'll lose those folks.
- Mark Traphagen
from Nambu
Will friendfeed move beyond it's cult status? And if it does, won't it be just as noisy as Twitter? Right now it's interesting to dip into because it's a relatively quiet channel, like Twitter used to be. But if it goes big, not so sure the beauty of FF will translate to the large scale. What works for Twitter is the egalitarian nature of all tweets -- not the popularity of them which...
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- Peggy Dolane
130 comments on this article over at TC already. Way to earn your stripes, MG!
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Peggy: The reason I think FF is more scalable than Twitter is FFs powerful filters (which I'm sure will become even more powerful in the future). By building filters, I can slice through my FF feed in ways that are digestible and meaningful to me. If FF every hits a growth spurt comparable to FB or Twitter, the filters will keep it managable, whereas Twitter, once you start following...
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- Mark Traphagen
Mark: Facebook has already announced and demonstrated filters that will be coming soon on Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
MG - Hey Congrats again on TC job!! woo hooo! This article makes me sad though... cuz you're prophesying the continued plagiarism of Facebook to copy as much of FriendFeed as they can ... Grrrr! I am annoyed by FB's sheer ripoff of FF augh!
- Susan Beebe
Robert: As I said in an earlier comment, I'm not sure that Facebook's increasingly older demographic is going to want too many more techno geek bells and whistles added to FB. It's those same bells and whistles here on FF that I think will keep FF from ever being FB size (though I hope FF will grow enough to remain sustainable). I'm here because I love every tinkling bell and hooting whistle FF throws at me, but I think you're average FB user would be bewildered by FF.
- Mark Traphagen
"my FriendFeed stream has a lot more activity on it, despite Facebook having over 200 million users and FriendFeed likely having something south of a million users" <-- Too true. My facebook wall has been dead for the last few weeks yet I'm seeing lots of nifty stuff on Friendfeed.
- Rudolf Olah
FriendFeed rocks! !.. and well, facebook just drools for this level of quality
- Susan Beebe
"Would someone tell me how this happened? We were the fucking vanguard of shaving in this country. The Gillette Mach3 was the razor to own. Then the other guy came out with a three-blade razor. Were we scared? Hell, no. Because we hit back with a little thing called the Mach3Turbo. That's three blades and an aloe strip. For moisture. But you know what happened next? Shut up, I'm telling you what happened—the bastards went to four blades. Now we're standing around with our cocks in our hands, selling three blades and a strip. Moisture or no, suddenly we're the chumps. Well, fuck it. We're going to five blades."
- Ana
from Bookmarklet
Yet another Onion article that actually came true!
- Chrimmus Tad
This was actually a Saturday Night Live commercial from the 70's. "The increasing number of blades on a razor -- and the higher prices that come with each new iteration -- has been fodder for parody for years. The first broadcast of Saturday Night Live in 1975 included a mock commercial of a three-blade razor, with the tagline, "Because you'll believe anything." http://online.wsj.com/article...
- Robert Felty
As Rob said, one fo my all-time favorites. When I go down the razor aisle at the store, I often mutter quietly "fuck it, we're going to five blades". Not once have I been thrown out of the store!
- Brian Johns
The "play squares" were from Wal*Mart. They are supposed to be used as floor mats, but we use them as barriers mostly. The cube was just a fun idea to give the kids something to tell the psychiatrist about later.
- Louis Gray
To celebrate, I'm announcing four more shortcuts: gd (Go Direct messages), gm (Go My discussions), gb (Go Best of day), and q (Quiet, temporarily pause/unpause realtime). Also, gh (Go Home) should be working again.
- Paul Buchheit
q is the best shortcut. you might want to call attention to these somewhere. in windows accelerators are underlined. q is so useful i'd be tempted to put something next to the pause button. a link to all keyboard shortcuts in the right sidebar would be a good idea.
- Jason Wehmhoener
It's a FriendFeed Friday miracle! These shortcuts are awesome. I wouldn't have known where to start to figure it out without Paul saying "30 of them."
- Mark Trapp
My mouse hand thanks you! Next, I'm hoping for 'j', 'k' to go up and down on discussions and 'c' and 'l' to comment and like on current entry.
- Sam Grover
ohhh...all the keyboard shortcuts are killer thanks Paul!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
OMG, so cool. It should be the default background. :D
- bnoise
Totally should be the default background. Looks freaking AWESOME on a 24 inch monitor.
- Robert Scoble
Man, this reminds me of my Contra days.
- Josue Fontanez
That's not fake. It looks like Mavericks near Half Moon Bay (it might not be, though, but there's plenty of video out there for Mavericks that look just like this). They had 60-foot waves in December and regularly have a surfing contest for big waves that look like this.
- Robert Scoble
if this is not a fake i have a question: what happened to the jet ski?
- Ouriel Ohayon
Ouriel: the jet skis usually go to a place where the waves aren't breaking. When you visit Half Moon Bay I'll take you out to Mavericks so you can understand this.
- Robert Scoble
Sorry, It's not Mavericks...It is break in Hawaii called Jaws. Won the XXL Big Wave Award...I believe over 60 ft wave. And believe me, it is real. Here is Billabong site w/ more footage from places like Cortes Bank, CA (middle of Ocean where ocean floor comes up), Ghost Trees, CA (Northern CA), Jaws, Hawaii. and Teahpoo,Tahiti http://www.billabongxxl.com/main_pa...
- Pokai
Check out the video called "Step into Liquid" if you want to learn more about tow surfing, where it is done and the people who do it.
- Jeff P. Henderson
whoa, that's like 3 or 4 storeys of water coming down!
- Shannon Low
from twhirl
they call heavy wipeouts...being "rag-dolled"
- Pokai
@pokai i was gonna say that looks like jaws, but you beat me to it. jaws is known for breaking tow-in surfing
- Chris
From 2006, which I think is when I first watched it. Still amazing though
- Charlie
from twhirl
yes @chris, all the big wave spots have distinctive look...mavericks looks more like dark cold water peak (which it is) and video is usually taken from boat in channel, teahpoo in tahiti is a left and is evil heaving mass of water, ghost trees video is mostly taken from shore on a cliff and jaws looks like above...a right fast moving wall of water. surfers named it jaws because it is like a shark...it keeps coming at you...
- Pokai
Check out http://ping.fm It lets you update all your social networks (with one notable exception of Friendfeed). If you need an invite, use the code: pingofpings
- Mark Trapp
We need a tool to let you update all your statuses at once - I'd like to see one to manage my profile photos as well - anyone built something like that?
- Craig Thomler
Ping.fm does the statuses, and Gravatar (http://en.gravatar.com/) does global avatar sharing. Gravatar doesn't have too much adoption outside of blogging platforms, though.
- Mark Trapp
i also like to use hellotxt.com as it does this job quite well and they are actively seeking a SMS interface as well an IM interface.
- Nathan Eckenrode
thanks for the info mark, I was wondering if there was something like this out there.
- Devin Anderson
from fftogo
Same dilemma a while ago. I decided to do it like this: Update status in Skype Mood, which is connected with "AutoTwitter" which is connected with Facebook and Friendfeed. Hm.. Gmail missing?
- ※Fu※
use hellotxt.com for this. problem is you have to go back to all the sites where you set up aggregation or you get tons of double postings
- Mark Schulz
Yeah, there are so many little things. It's great to find new features every day.
- Aaron Myers
@Akiva: just move your mouse a touch and the tooltip will disappear (at least it does on Flock)
- Craig Eddy
Craig, I'm American. You ask too much of me.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Time doesn't update if you've edited the comment... :-(
- Mitchell Tsai
Great addition to the site! @Mitchell I agree although how would they work it? Maybe replacing the comment time with the word edited as well with the new time!
- Joe Dawson
me tooo!! OMG I am trying to ignore those as I am working...hehehe!
- Susan Beebe
Steven - In this case, you're right. You can't turn it off
- Charlie Anzman
Is it worth starting your "friend" list again?? Will the people who care what you're doing even follow you to *another* site? Since there's no direct feed to FF, is it even worth being an early adopter on this site?
- David Cook
David - Let me be crystal clear here. Friendfeed is my 'communication home' ... period. No ifs, ands or buts. Thought it was utterly amazing how many people jumped on a 'virtual unknown' and still are.
- Charlie Anzman
@Charlie - is it just LOL ... I joined just to secure my id cuase I do think this could have legs as long as Twitter remains having problems. If they really do a push and get things working then this will be just an interesting experiment
- Steven Hodson
Steven - Yep, looks like someone got Scoble's. Wonder if he'll get it back like he did with Plurk? :)
- Charlie Anzman
@Charlie I think you could take bets on that he will :)
- Steven Hodson
Man - Robert's getting almost as fast on the trigger finger as Louis ... Ugh ... Where is Louis ??
- Charlie Anzman
Louis is focusing on his two beautiful babies!!!!! Yeah for Louis and Kristine!! :-)
- Susan Beebe
this is what filters are for.. subject:(has-added a-friend) - those together should be auto-archived lol
- InsaneNinja
I've already set up a rule and dedicated mailbox in Mac Mail for mine :-)
- Duncan Riley
same here its a mess, and their site is already down for me
- shoemoney
be careful, they might have a goatee and be the "evil mirror universe" scoble.
- Andrew Feinberg
@Brandon hmmm... they haven't done it for DNS, I doubt if they would for scoial networks. solution: openid!
- Shivanand Velmurugan
I grabbed kregger, but ugh what is the point of identi.ca beyond a twitter clone?
- Craig Eddy
eg. there is someone on friendfeed called shiva, and I'm shiva too. Who is more authentic?! Mebbe the system should reward one who is more active?! I say that coz I'm usually the more active "shiva" is web2.0 :)
- Shivanand Velmurugan
++ for GUIDs! That would be extra dorky - "You can find me all over the net as 76280920-48a2-11dd-ae16-0800200c9a66!!"
- Chrimmus Tad
Craig: isn't that akin to openid?! essentially they maintain a guid (it is just in the form of a url).
- Shivanand Velmurugan
This is PLURK crap all over again...LAME-O... where's data portability and OpenID protections? we use GUIDs for apps at my office (website apps), but using for people sounds cool, but it's too easy to replicate if you have a copy. But if secure, forget it...awesome ID protection
- Susan Beebe
you clearly need to be faster registering at these new sites!
- headsling
l0ckergn0me, that reminds me of a few years ago when I discovered you CAN'T register http://org.ca , it is apparently on a list of restricted domain names - that's the response from a whois query, anyway.
- Micah Wittman
from twhirl
I found this kinda funny.... It's commented out, but still. From the Laconica config sample: #$config['nickname']['blacklist'][] = 'scobleizer'; http://is.gd/KYT
- donato
from twhirl
what do you mean "your" account? any trademarks on the word "scobleizer"?
- Gowri
from twhirl
I'm not sure "like" was right here, I wanted to vote "sad", or "pathetic", or "yet another let's claim popular domains scam", but FF doesn't provide me those options. I say we spam the hell out of such people ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
So its a weak twitter clone in, if I get this right, PHP. Honestly Robert, with these things springing up all over it's simply not goign to be possible for you to get to them all first.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
If I was launching something like this, I'd reserve Scoble's account when I started it, just so he could moan about it in public - free publicity! :)
- Martin Bryant
I fight it out with a guy in Germany for the username Tobstar until i started using my real name.
- Toby Graham
Rutger I m ight be arrogant, but it's my freaking name/trademark and I will defend that.
- Robert Scoble
Funny, the owner of identi.ca wrote me back and said he doesn't have a policy for how to handle these things. Amateur hour.
- Robert Scoble
Eww...i hate stupid companies who don't know how to handle things and cyber squatters.
- Nicholas James
Gee, I think the owner of Identi.ca is clueless then... how can you launch a twitter competitor product and not foresee this issue to crop up?! Doh! lame-O dude
- Susan Beebe
Your name = your "brand" = your word and so on. That is not arrogance but brand management.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
As a new employee to Forrester I was surprised we offered discount piano lessons. Will the lessons become a company benefit? :-)
- John Cass
from Alert Thingy
they invited me, but I'm headed out of town, so they found the 3rd best. My wife is going with me.
- Todd Jordan
eh ? Whats next tantric sex expert ??
- Peter Dawson
twitter, email, friendfeed, occasionally google reader, andrewsullivan
- Robert Stribley
widsets is quite good. readbag - for all the content I haven't time for, bloglines feeds and that's it for reading. why not gaming? :)
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
from twhirl
widsets is quite good. readbag - for all the content I haven't time for, bloglines feeds and that's it for reading. why not gaming? :)
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
from twhirl
Really glad to see all the FF ------------ are interested in people's safety. ---- --- to the latest social networking site, yes. But care when someone's threatened with death, no, that's too mundane. (Edited this because it was too distracting, sorry. -- R.)
- Raoul Pop
I hope this works out OK for you and your mother.
- Dave Roth
Raoul - this is scary stuff. I hope that it was just some sort of misguided prank. Does your mom have any guesses who it could be?
- Andy Roth
None at all. Doesn't recognize the voice.
- Raoul Pop
This is pretty messed up. I'm sure the police are capable of getting the court order without your having to hire a lawyer. I hope your mother isn't planning on being home alone on Friday.
- Rafael Robayna
Whoa, Raoul. I'm really sorry this happened to your mother, and clearly you're very upset, but how does going after people on the internet make this situation any better? Honestly, I'm not surprised by this as it reminds me of the kind of response people get from the police when they try to make a complaint about internet stalking. Sadly, most organizations won't get involved until actual physical contact is made, meaning you can lay eyes on the person. It's sad, but true (and common).
- cecily
Bad situation, but aren't there rules about how corporations must protect private data? Just get the court order. Once the person is revealed, get the court costs back from them. It sucks, but that's the world we live in -- would you want a company to reveal any information about you that they are supposed to keep private just because a police officer asks them?
- Jeremy Brooks
Cecily, it's discouraging to see that until I posted that comment, no one even cared about my post. People don't care about these things until they're shoved in their face. My comment was one way to draw attention to the story, and I can't say that I'm entirely off the mark in my characterization. Jeremy, I wouldn't mind it if it involved a death threat. This is one situation where protocol needs to be circumvented. Clearly so.
- Raoul Pop
Is it possible, Raoul, that people haven't seen it yet? I know I didn't see it until I posted the comment.
- cecily
When I first saw it it said it had been up 18 minutes. Also guilting us into commenting on your post isn't the best way to go about things. Having worked with the police department before there's really nothing you can do about most phone calls like this. Its sad and its scary but please don't trick me into commenting on your post. BTW I guess it worked :)
- Sean Davis
Maybe. It's also possible that when someone posts about FF or GR or Facebook or MySpace or Microsoft or Google or Apple, ears perk up right away. It's also possible that I'm distraught and angry at the moment, and I'm working off a short fuse. You make the call.
- Raoul Pop
If the law does not provide for circumvention of protocol, they have to follow the rules. The rules don't apply just when it's convenient for us.
- Jeremy Brooks
Raoul, this is a terrible thing that has happened, I'm sorry to hear it. That said, this is the first time that I'm seeing your post. For those of us who follow a lot of people, we don't see 100% of what everyone posts so I think it's a bit rough to call FF people navel gazers. Part of why less people see a post like this is also because people don't want to "like" it, even if they do want to promote it or bump it because people might be confused that a "like" means liking what happened to your mother.
- Thomas Hawk
Convenience my foot, Jeremy. If you don't get the seriousness of the situation, please hit the Hide button. Your comments aren't helping.
- Raoul Pop
I hope they catch the person that made this death threat. That's a horrible thing for someone to have show up on their voicemail.
- Thomas Hawk
@Cecily Yeah I only saw it just now. Raoul is understandably upset
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Raoul, you are obviously upset (originally you called us all asses -- I see you have edited that out). I understand that this is a serious situation, but that doesn't mean you can change the rules. Hopefully you will be able to get the process of a court order expedited so that the police can do what needs to be done.
- Jeremy Brooks
I agree with Jeremy, maybe the best advice you've gotten so far on this issue.
- Rafael Robayna
Just a general rule of thumb: The fact that people aren't "liking" or commenting on your posts doesn't mean they aren't being read or clicked through.
- Kyle Hebert
Hey Raoul, my sympathy is with you and your mother. I'm not sure what the best way would be to handle the situation though other then notify the authorities. As for getting people's attention, I'm not so sure FF is the BEST avenue. Like Thomas Hawk mentioned, post here get covered very quickly unless someone catches it and comments it or likes it. In any case, good luck and I hope you find justice.
- Justin Korn
People respond to social networking news because it's relevant and important to *them.* It's not that your mom is any less important, only that most people (I'm assuming) don't know your mom and there's really nothing any of us can do about it. We can't strong arm tmobile into giving you whatever information you want. That's what subpoenas are for. I believe all cell providers require a subpoena to give out any blocked information, mainly to cover their own butts.
- Bob
@Rafael: Unless one of us is a judge, or otherwise has some influence to expedite the process.... Not sure what else we can do to help.
- Jeremy Brooks
Where is the Prosecutor's Office in all of this? It is NOT your mother's responsibility to get a court order. She filed the complaint. It is now the department's responsibility forward the request for a warrant to the Prosecutor who then requests it from the judge. Call the local media, give them the audio and the story. Force the issue.
- Michael W. May
T-Mobile isn't a law enforcement agency, and most people on Friendfeed aren't qualified to offer legal advice (including me). You're barking up the wrong tree. Work the cops, starting with your municipality. They'll deal with T-Mobile. Good luck.
- Chris Baskind
When I worked for a cell provider we would get bomb threats pretty regularly. In the ~5 years I was there every single one of them ended up being a "joke." When it was a bomb threat we worked with the police. When it was a death threat we couldn't do anything without a subpoena. Normally those were kids playing a "joke" and dialing random numbers and being stupid, thinking they were being funny and not realizing that blocking your number doesn't *really* block your number.
- Bob
Also, some areas offer free legal services if you don't make much money. You should have your mom look into one of those. Also, you can find attorneys for less than the $400/hr you mentioned in your blog.
- Bob
Raoul, this is a terribly upsetting situation. I hope you and your mother can work with law enforcement and the prosecutor's office to get the information she needs. I sincerely hope that someone is playing a joke--as sick as it is--and that your mother is OK (and remains OK for a long time to come).
- vicster is...
Steve Lynch: see my first comment above. Most law enforcement agencies won't do anything until physical contact is made.
- cecily
Just a general reply to those who have already commented. Thank you! Forgive my initial comment, but I was (understandably) upset about my mom's safety. I'm not there to help her in person. She lives in FL and I live in MD. As for this not being the best place to draw attention to the problem, I disagree. I believe the Internet is the best way to draw attention to issues. And so far, through my site and through FF, plenty of people have found out about this. So that's good.
- Raoul Pop
Even if it was a misdial, that person, whoever he is, is seemingly still intent on killing someone on Friday night, which is just as bad. And if it was a nasty prank, then he should be taught a serious lesson through a short stay in prison.
- Raoul Pop
For the record, I just read this at 6:15pm PDT via my Google Reader feed. While this is more than likely a prank, your mom should contact the Hollywood DA. And will the Hollywood police go on the record to state that T-Mobile is the sole uncooperative phone company in such investigations?
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
UM CHILL raaul. i get those from people from time to time. but it'z usually to andrea the girl that had this phone number before me. i think she was a bit of a....
- Caroline
from twhirl
Not trying to make light of the situation because I've received death threats before (back in high school) but why would anyone tell you when and where they're planning to kill you?
- Oliver Ortega Chua
OE, that's what the police told her. Caroline and Oliver, I wouldn't have given it so much attention if the threat had been directed at me. I can take care of myself. But this is my mother we're talking about, and I won't have lunatics make idle (or not) death threats to her or to any member of my immediate family.
- Raoul Pop
Sorry your mother has to even deal with this. People can be foolish. Its most likely just some idiot trying to liven up their 4th of July.
- LuluGirl896
I sincerely hope the police can solve this and your Mom can sleep soundly Friday night. I'm just seeing this this morning.
- Gary Fredrick
For those of you that are still following this, I posted an update: http://www.raoulpop.com/2008.... Scroll down to the end of the post to see it, and thanks for the comments!
- Raoul Pop
"FriendFeed's implementation, however, is simple and easy to use, and robust at the same time. And overnight, my opinion of FriendFeed changed completely, largely because the function of FriendFeed changed for me. And I'm not alone, there has been a huge influx of new users, as well as increased activity from old users, just because of Rooms."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
There are aspects of FriendFeed which I believe will appeal in a different way to very different segments of users. While some of us liked the earliest implementation and saw the potential, for others, its these continued improvements which help them trust the product's future.
- Louis Gray
Agree with Louis and with the imitation from the likes of Facebook it shows that you are going in the right direction!
- Joe Dawson
from fftogo
I still don't know how to track my conversations effectively: comments here, tweets there, posts somewhere else - it's very confusing. Especially that there's no dominating commenting platform. The conversations are exactly that - fragmented - and for me they're ending at sending one comment.
- Marcin Grodzicki
Marcin: Well, at FriendFeed, you can go to the "Me" tab, which shows you all the posts you've commented on, liked, made, etc. But I agree that it's a larger difficulty.
- Brent Newhall
I think with Noiseriver plus rooms, there is some very significant power here. And I came to FriendFeed without first having gone through Twitter like most people.
- David Muir
"3-D printing has been out of reach for most of us. Now thanks to do-it-yourself types all that has started to change"
- Jason Wehmhoener
from Bookmarklet
I hadn't heard of the CompuCarve, that's interesting. Reminds me of my Modela, though it appears to be actually marketed, and relatively modern, though more limited in some ways (no scanning and a strong emphasis on ornamental woodwork).
- ⓞnor
Have you fabricated anything interesting with the Modela?
- j1m
I'm looking forward to buying one of these once they're affordable and useful. Hopefully we'll all have one in a few years and we can all fab the gadget flava of the week together.
- Chrimmus Tad
Opensouce 3d printing would be great.
- Ross Maguire
A couple of the examples mentioned in the slide show are "open source" efforts, head to the web sites, find the instructions, build it yourself, report back on your experiences, and help refine the design.
- Jason Wehmhoener
RepRap is one of the open source kits. You can buy all the parts and build one yourself. Then you can print out all of the custom parts and help your friend build a cheaper one. :)
- Chrimmus Tad
j1m: I haven't, but sethml used it (and my software) cut a... press? stamp? out of aluminum which he used to print his own embossed wedding invitations. (Sort of like movable type letterpress, only the type isn't actually movable, and the text is cut directly into a slab of metal.)
- ⓞnor
RepRap works in thermoplastic, and I think Fab@Home uses something like silicone epoxy, and neither one produces very compelling parts. The sugar printer is a crazy awesome art project more than an actual printer you would use. Desktop Factory is perpetual vaporware, and its parts are also kind of crappy looking. I really think subtractive modeling doesn't get enough respect.
- ⓞnor
I've heard about the prototype 3D printers some design firms use, and Clemson has research in 3D organ replacement printing
- Jeff Quinton
@nor: I agree, though 3 axis CNC requires a bit of skill, and there are some parts that require up to 5 axis for subtractive process. That being said, the choice of materials and the availability of tooling is much much broader with subtractive processes.
- Jason Wehmhoener
My hope is that less atrocious software (Gershenfeld totally rips on standard CAD/CAM software in _Fab_, and he's totally right) can make that sort of thing way more accessible. I started working on that, but of course, no free time. I don't think milling has to be a black art.
- ⓞnor
the Desktop Factory fab seems to print using hot nylon and metal powder. the output feels a bit gritty. i still want one.
- joshua schachter
Yeah, I still get their little newsletter updates, each one of which tries to be upbeat about how they have, yet again, completely failed to have anything like an actual shipping product. The latest one was all positive about how the machine only needs two hours of maintenance per week.
- ⓞnor
"The Codex Seraphinianus was written and illustrated by Italian graphic designer and architect, Luigi Serafini during the late 1970's. The Codex is a lavishly produced book that purports to be an encyclopedia for an imaginary world in a parallel universe, with copious comments in an incomprehensible language. It is written in a florid script, entirely invented and completely illegible, and illustrated with watercolor paintings."
- Jason Wehmhoener
from Bookmarklet
According to Compete, last month Twitter grew at a 14.7% rate and FriendFeed grew at a 45.6% rate. If these growth rates remained static, FF would surpass Twitter using Compete's metrics in a little under 9 months time. I predict that within one year FF will show more users on Compete than Twitter. You might not be able to imagine it now, but exponential growth is a powerful thing.
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
I can totally see FF overtaking twitter within 6 months. This past week was an excellent indication of that trend.
- Susan Beebe
The numbers don't say that. FF is great, but if Twitter is a mallet, FriendFeed is a hammer. Similar tools, but not the same. There aren't directly in competition, and I don't necessarily see one overtaking the other any time soon.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
It could certainly happen earlier than a year Susan, a year is just a safe bet. FF's momentum could propel and increase the growth rate beyond what it has been in the past month, which could make this happen in as early as 6 months.
- Thomas Hawk
You look at a graph like the one above and it's hard to see it. But if you graph the actual monthly month over month growth rates from last month into the future they intersect actually in just a little under 9 months.
- Thomas Hawk
Maybe sooner if Twitter continues to ride the Fail Whale and FF continues to be the all night stud.
- Chrimmus Tad
That assumes two things: 1) Twitter never gets fixed and 2) out of the vast amount of users, twitter doesn't suddenly bounce into the mainstream. It's far more likely to happen to Twitter than FriendFeed at this juncture.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Mark, doesn't matter if Twitter is a mallet and FF is a hammer or not -- the numbers do *absolutely* say that. Do the math yourself with a spreadsheet. According to compete Twitter = 1.7 million users vs. FF's 300k. Run 1.7k at 14.7% and 300k at 45.6% and FF surpasses Twitter in a little under 9 months. It's pretty simple math.
- Thomas Hawk
@Thomas: Which points are you extrapolating on the FF numbers to reach that conclusion? Are you taking 14.7% and 45.6% to be constant from t = now?
- Kirk Kittell
Kirk, yes, per my statement I'm assuming static growth rates based on last month over month growth numbers provided by Compete.
- Thomas Hawk
I doubt that FriendFeed will overtake Twitter. FriendFeed's simplicity doesn't match Twitter. FriendFeed has a lot of simplicity compared to other web services, but Twitter is just so simple, easy, and fun. I'm pretty sure that the Twitter guys will eventually get a stable Twitter.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
I guess I don't understand those numbers. Didn't FriendFeed launch in October 2007? How is it beating Twitter and pulling away before that? (Sorry to bludgeon you to death, Thomas, my job is basically to be a professional skeptic. I was never liked anyway...)
- Kirk Kittell
Kirk just plug the numbers into a spreadsheet. 300k X 1.456 and repeat that equation for 9 months. Do the same thing with Twitter at 1.7 million x 1.147 and you'll see what I'm talking about. You are right to be skeptical. But if you assume the growth rates from the last month were accurate and continue it will happen within 9 months.
- Thomas Hawk
No, I meant: how does FriendFeed have any stats pre-October 2007? I must be making a really bad assumption somewhere along the line.
- Kirk Kittell
Only problem Thomas is that I remember seeing similar stats several years ago "proving" that that Linux would become the dominant OS by 2006 or something by looking at it's growth rate. Good new things tend to grow a lot faster than older good things. Just as Twitter's growth rate has slowed, I'm guessing FF's will as well, especially if Twitter gets "fixed." I'm rooting for FF too, but it's not really a level competition.
- Chrimmus Tad
possible248, you're assuming that 1. A site needs to be simple to grow. I don't think FF is any more complicated than Facebook or MySpace. And 2. That Twitter will stabilize. Some of the hardcore programming geeks that I know are saying the opposite. That Twitter's architecture is flawed from the ground up and what we are seeing now is just the tip of the iceberg, that it will be incredibly difficult, if not impossible for Twitter to scale.
- Thomas Hawk
I don't think growth rates will stay the same. Twitter is just beginning to hit "normal" people, the early adopters having moved to FF. Growth rates at FF will be fast now and then slow like Twitters I think. Plus, they feel different some people just wont like one or the other
- Daltonsbriefs
And that's a fair guess Tad. But even as FF's growth were to slow, so would Twitter's. I think that the current numbers though don't reflect the power of momentum which I think will be coming in the next 6 months. Momentum that we've only just begun to see this weekend.
- Thomas Hawk
Kirk, I'm only using a one month number, which is a big assumption, I know, but again, I don't think we've begun to see the real momentum with FF yet.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, personally I don't think FriendFeed has the mass appeal that Twitter has outside of the tech crowd. Twitter is simple, uncluttered, and very easy to use. With FriendFeed it's easy to be overwhelmed by the volume of information. Besides, average Joe or Mary on Twitter doesn't know anything about RSS feeds, Disqus, Diigo, etc. For them (and this is where the mass appeal comes in), Twitter is a simple group chat service, which FriendFeed will never be.
- Dewald Pretorius
Daltonsbriefs, don't underestimate the impact of a site's power users on growth. 20% of the users are responsible for 80% of the traffic. These important 20% are in the process of jumping from Twitter to FF now, this weekend was a groundswell.
- Thomas Hawk
Point taken, Thomas. I suppose that plenty of people would be interested in FriendFeed. While Twitter's architecture may be deeply flawed, I don't see Twitter dying completely. A redesign might be necessary.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Nevermind, Thomas. I thought about it for a second and better see what you're saying. Anyway, I'm not against FriendFeed -- I mean, I'm here, eh? -- just trying to think about where it's going. I should stick to my day job, so to speak.
- Kirk Kittell
Yes, but what statistical model are they using to project? Hmmm.
- Kathleen C
My guess is that Twitter users will move to friendfeed eventually cause it "does Twitter". For the others that don't use either, it's telling them that everything I do is on friendfeed but Twitter is where you find one just what I'm doing. friendfeed surpassed Twitter in 7.48 months in my calculation :)
- Andrew Smith
possible248, I don't see Twitter dying completely at all -- in fact they will continue to grow. A 14.5% monthly growth rate is actually awesome. FF is just growing faster is all and has momentum on their side. Combine that with a vastly superior underlying architecture and you've got all the ingredients for FF to surpass Twitter.
- Thomas Hawk
Kathleen, a *very* good question indeed and something that only a handful of people will ever get to see. I seriously doubt it's my wayyyy oversimplified back of the napkin figure here.
- Thomas Hawk
Two presumptions: Twitter will still be alive this time next year, secondly, that if they are that they will stay where they are with traffic. If you look at Alexa (I know, not brilliant, but timely) you'll see Twitter contracting in traffic rapidly (it's back to March levels). FriendFeed will definitely pass Twitter, but I'm betting it will be in 6mths on a combination of FF growing and Twitter shrinking.
- Duncan Riley
Perhaps another way to put this would be that at one time Yahoo! was Twitter and Google was FF. Yahoo was *huge* back then compared to Google, 5x as big. Yahoo! had explosive growth, but Google had a superior product and even bigger growth. Eventually a bigger growth rate and better superior product surpasses a slower growth rate and an inferior product.
- Thomas Hawk
Duncan, six months is a very good guess indeed.
- Thomas Hawk
Totally agree. I don't buy into the "Twitter-killer" mentality but FriendFeed has certainly supplanted Twitter for me.
- Ray Grieselhuber
But one of the best parts of FriendFeed is responding to someone's original tweet. So the two are not mutually exclusive...
- Rachel Rubin
Rachel, they don't have to be mutually exclusive. In fact Twitter can still prod along at a very healthy 14.5% monthly growth rate. But as long as FF's growth rate is bigger, they will surpass them. But I don't think FF "needs" Twitter to grow or to go where it needs to go.
- Thomas Hawk
Same for me. My twitter time has slowed down to a craw. I use it for updates about 3-4 times a day and sometimes when I reply to a twitter message here, I check the box so that the reply gets posted to twitter as well. On the other hand, Friendfeed has really peeked my interest in the past few weeks. The amount/level of discovery that takes place here can't be match by any other site, twitter included.
- Tsega Dinka
I am still finding it hard to follow a particular conversation on FF
- Robert
FriendFeed won't drink Twitter's milkshake until it adds two features: input from IM (you can tweet from your AIM client) and input from SMS messages (a lot of people tweet via SMS on their phones).
- Adam Turetzky
I remember feeling that I couldn't rely on email anymore during AOL's problems in 1996. Twitter feels the same today. DMs getting overlooked, etc.
- sage brennan
from twhirl
I also agree with other that Friendfeed doesn't (yet) appear to have the mojo to tackle the mainstream audience. Twitter could make this jump despite pissing off the digerati, because it has the "obviousness of purpose" that many popular services have... like the telephone. Pick it up and talk. With Friendfeed, people will be put off by the confusing, geek-chic subtlety of the service.
- sage brennan
from twhirl
Does this Compete.com graph measure just the Twitter.com web site? If so, then I think this is under-reporting the actual usage of Twitter. What about all of the Twitter updates that are made from cell phones, IM clients, AIR clients, not to mention people who are consuming Twitter content through services like Summize, TweetScan, Quatably, and .... FriendFeed? I know that FriendFeed can also be accessed through other channels such as FFtoGo, Mail2FF, Twhirl, etc. but compared to Twitter it's a low %.
- Mike Doeff
@Thomas: context absolutely matters. FriendFeed does a different thing entirely than Twitter. if context didn't matter at all, Twitter wouldn't exist and we'd be having this conversation on a phpBB, because that's essentially the same function as FriendFeed. What the tool is designed/mostly used for determines who will use it. For that matter...
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
... it isn't an issue of a percentage point multiplied out over months. Growth/shrinkage changes. Velocity of growth changes daily. Given that Twitter has a very huge audience compared to FF, there's a much greater chance that their numbers could catapult.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
I've added friendfeed to my social web, but I'm not giving up on Twitter yet. Thank goodness for Flock and ping.fm
- Steve Burton
looking forward to your conversations over here Leo.
- Thomas Hawk
I like the idea of friendfeed - but the simplicity of twitter is its appeal. I wonder where Pownce and Jaiku will sit in this msg evolution
- dann weatherhead
I have a feeling that this time things gonna better than the Jaiku move.
- Du Senyao Peter
i havent been able to make the move - are there twitteriffic-like apps for FF as well? that would help my jump...
- Andy Beach
I think twitter's UI is better and I wish there was something like twitterrific out there
- maxim shevertalov
from twhirl
This is funny, I just signed up for a twitter account. With what appears to be a mass exodus from twitter to other services, is there any point in me building up a network over there?
- Eddy Cole
I want to make FF part of my routine, but it's just so damn cluttered -- plus I don't see any mobile integration yet. It's almost there, but it just needs a little more work to really take the Twitter throne
- Noah Mittman
I remain a bit grumpyabout FF; I cannot shake the feeling that I am only here because Twitter failed me so many times. Anyway, here I am!
- sage brennan
from twhirl
The busy UI and lack of users put me off. Perhaps if it didn't try and link in with Twitter it would be easier to follow?
- Oli from the-iBlog
from fftogo
I have left twitter also, but now use Plurk. With the newly added search, I can find conversations about just about any topic.
- Jon
I am really liking FF for conversations. I like Twitter for status/presence updates. Isn't that what is was designed for? Want to know where I am, and what I am having for lunch? Check Twitter. Want to know what I am interested in and reading? Check Friendfeed.
- Sean Brady
Glad to see you over here in FF Leo!! welcome! BTW twitter pulled their own trigger - no guilt with that....just remorse
- Susan Beebe
If Twitter had a closed beta to better manage scaleability, but at a const of having a large user base, would it be as big as it is?
- maxim shevertalov
from twhirl
Is that it Leo you are off Twitter ? , ok kids grab the life jackets
- NA76
Leo, what is your preferred way of FriendFeeding? Post once via Twitter and resume the conversation via FF or some other way?
- Alexander Kucera
Leo, you are so fickle! I think you have TADD...Technology Attention Deficit Disorder. :)
- BISQ
I'm trying that move too. A lot of info to sort so far
- Michael Leis
from twhirl
Leo, I violently agree. I think reliability is the killer asset.
- shelisrael1
I've done the same. Twitter is dead to me. LOL :P
- Grant Gochnauer
I just created a FF account too. It's a shame. I love Twitter.
- Matthew Vaughan
I don't get the big Hoopla. FriendFeed is a Commenting System and a Medium to get Content on. Twitter is a Messaging system. Sure you can (pressed enter here accidentally) 'switch over', but really, Twitter could be thought to be something completely different than friendfeed
- Tyler (Chacha)
from twhirl
I'd like to see more of my twitter friends using a "lifestream" commenting system like FF, or see Twitter turn reliable and then add a better threading system for replies.. but until someone gets their act together I am happy using something that has the capability to do very similar things. So I'm happy to be caught up in the current migration toward a meme that works. Update: and one that is editable;-)
- Curtis "Billy" Cross
from twhirl
i had to disconnect for a few months due to family health issues , missed it , but Im back on it now , friendfeed seems to be the "watercooler" now
- johnpiercy
Eddy Cole, the services are completely different. Try them both out. Many people, myself included, use both services. For some reason people want to make this a contest between Twitter and FF.
- Mike Doeff
@Mike thats what I've been trying to say, Twitter is a messaging service, FF is a Aggregator/Commentor. Very, Very Different
- Tyler (Chacha)
from twhirl
thanks Graham - I had no idea twhirl support FF as well!
- Andy Beach
@Mike, thanks. I'll give both a shot and see what happens.
- Eddy Cole
Chacha, totally agree. Baffles me why people continue to compare apples to oranges on this. This blog post is worth reading... http://www.winextra.com/2008...
- Mike Doeff
I am in the conversion process. And actually what it seems is that you don't have to abandon twitter, FF will just post for you
- Edward
I found myself doing this a couple weeks ago. Every time I wanted to go to twitter it was down, so I just started using ping.fm to post, and following all my feeds of FF. I agree with the ease of conversation on FF.
- Melissa Goetsch
FF definitely has some nice advantages over Twitter (or probably more over Jaiku for that matter) which people with tons of scattered content can benefit from. On the other hand there are still tons of features I'd love to see added here (esp. on an API level). In the meantime, FF just has to hit the web-mainstream ;-)
- Horst Gutmann
I would like FF a lot more if it pulled in my friends from other services. As of right now, all it really seems to do is aggregate my lifestream. I'm too lazy to manually add each rss feed to FF, and there's no way my friends are going to sign up for FF, after it was a giant PITA to get them to sign up for twitter.
- Austin Brown
Is there an iPhone client for FriendFeed? I do alot of messaging on the go.
- Robert Hafer
from twhirl
you have inspired me to check out FF too .. so far - I likey! Thanks Leo!
- Jenz
"but lends itself better to conversation.” could you quantify with your own experience as to what it means "Bettter conversation" ? We first had blogs /RSS , twitter , wownce which all seems to raise the bar on the converational index.. but what do you mean "better to conversation" wrt to FF ?
- Peter Dawson
On Leo! One! Chaud devant! --french people will understand ;-)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
@Austin That is what imaginary friends option in FF is for. You can add most of the services. There are several guides, linked to in this very thread and others available by googling that give you the info you need to set it up so they can have the freedom of using twitter, etc... and let you have the option of moving.. It doesn't have to be a competition between FF and Twitter. But if...
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- Curtis "Billy" Cross
from twhirl
Yep just found someone I follow on FF, don't on Twitter, and I thought, what's the point of following them on Tw? 8-\
- Brian Carter
@Brian Carter was that person me ;) ? I think this weekend showed how friend feed can fill the void of being connected and following the thoughts of those who we have grown to trust online. Since then, I have noticed that the traffic on twitter (at least for me) has gone down significantly by the people I was following and didn't really know in person or know well. My inner circle are still using twitter and the mobile factor is still huge. The real question is can I still be active on FF while at work.
- Andrea Baker
Reasons desktop app for friendfeed is not as usable as webpage: 1. usually quicker to navigate high volume on web page. 2. desktop app will surely be chasing new functionality (i.e. retwitter comment feature on FF web but not in twhirl).
- Boris Gordon
from twhirl
hey Leo, you should try Friendfeed in Twhirl, just click on the Twhirl logo and add Friendfeed as a new account, already 5% of all the comments there
- Loic Le Meur
I just wish FF had a way to dynamically collapse conversations for clear view of post titles. And then selectively expand the comments to see that conversation. It would be like a dynamic feed reader.
- Ernie Oporto
Hope to see it really soon. Love the premise of the story.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Family and I just saw it. Thought it was wonderful!
- Sawyer
It's getting rave reviews. I expected nothing less from the Pixar team
- Jake Lumetta
Saw it over lunch. Cannot even begin to imagine how they pitched it to the studio. Glad the studio took them up on the idea.
- Andrew Leyden
I saw it today, and found it simply gorgeous. Artwork is stunning. Are we close to the point where actors aren't necessary, other than for voices?
- Michael
And just how do parents of newborn twins get to see it? This is why I want new releases on the Apple TV... now. Otherwise, I will go the dark side of the Internet and find it for myself. (frowny face)
- Louis Gray
Great movie. Definitely recommend it! Top 3 pixar for me.
- Tim Costantino
Louis, you are SO funny! Actually, though, we saw a lot of kid movies with one of them a baby... I'm darn good at nursing in a theater. Did baseball games that way too. It's fine for a "kid" movie like a Pixar (stick to atinees).
- Cyndy
is this wall-e like a sequel of sorts to short circuit?
- BCK
Saw this today and genuinely enjoyed it. Some interesting things to ponder too.
- Mindy Koch
Just got home. It was a fun film, I'm not sure it's Pixar's best, but it certainly was worth seeing.
- Robert Scoble
Trailers had some parts that looked unbelievable... even for Pixar. Question about what you think is Pixar's best here: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Adam Helweh
I want to see this movie, I have a son and two daughters. Will it appeal to the girls??
- Joe Dawson
@LouisGray: Have you check to see if the theaters in your area have a 'mothers day'? It's pretty common now on a Tues or Wed morning to show movies with the lights on and strollers welcome. They let new mothers (and dads) take the kids to a movie and the kids can cry, scream, etc and not disturb anyone.
- Andrew Leyden
The entire family loved the movie. Love Wall-E startup sound.
- Khürt Williams
from twhirl
Wall-E is no Ratatouille by any stretch :) I would give it a 3.5, great graphics, believable characters, so so story line, sickening romance
- Ramesh Ramloll
In light of the recycling theme, I tried to get the concessioner to refill the Hawks empty popcorn bucket to no avail. Loved the commentaries on seditary people & the longing for human touch.
- Mrsth
from fftogo