"Entrepreneurs are the fertile soil for job growth and recovery. Small companies represent 99.7 percent of all employer firms, Commerce Department data show. They pay nearly 45 percent of U.S. private payroll and have generated 60 to 80 percent of net new jobs annually over the past decade."
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
What percentage of new businesses fail though? What's the probability of startups absorbing 3-5 million aging manufacturing workers, with mortgages and kids to feed, and paying for their healthcare costs while giving some job stability? In the valley, we tend to look at things from the perspective of singles or "dinks", younger people who have no issues switching jobs every year when small companies fail. The switching cost is higher for a lot of the people losing jobs today.
- Ray Cromwell
Bret, this is playing with numbers. Sounds like the "small schools are better" scam. Small companies have a higher churn rate, more jobs created, more lost. There is just more variation. Ray, you have a point but what is the cost to everyone from trying to support zombie industries?
- Antonio Piccolboni
My opinion is, let's embrace change. Let's create support systems that make change less painful. Let's help people, not industrial sectors. Let's help them move onto the next big thing, not stay with the old, doomed gig. Let's start making health care and retirement independent from what employer you work for and make retraining affordable or free.
- Antonio Piccolboni
The strategies from the NY Times editorial and Reid's editorial are quite different, though. Friedman wants the government to give money to venture capital firms, which seems pointless and doomed from the start. Fixing the H1-B situation and small business loans are much more practical approaches to the problem, in my opinion.
- Bret Taylor
@Antonio, I think one has to consider that the 'rate' of disruption in an industry is a variable that matters in terms of costs, and that the shorter the variable time, the higher the social welfare costs of dealing with them. Too small a window creates too much volatility and unpredictability and causes trouble just like rapidly fluctuating prices/inflation. What costs more, instantly firing all of Detroit and putting them on the public dole, or trying to help retool their industry?
- Ray Cromwell
To expand on that, by 'cost', I mean, total cost, social welfare + lost GDP, because the whole supply chain of the industry gets disrupted, aggregate demand drops, it's just not clear to me that simply saying any "too big to fail" industry that is having difficulty in a worldwide economic crisis should just "die" and get it over with, especially in light of the fact that every other OECD country is proping them up. Faith that the free market will always win in every context is just that, faith.
- Ray Cromwell
Here's an idea not everyone will like: Firefox and IE should drop their rendering engines and switch to Webkit (used by Safari and Chrome). Then we wouldn't have the added annoyance of targeting three different DOMs.
I'm sure someone will say something about "competition", but since it's open-source, they can continue to compete, just as Google has with their new JS engine, V8. Since everyone would be starting from the same point, they would all have the burden of not breaking compatibility.
- Paul Buchheit
Microsoft would embrace and extend, creating WebKit Expression '09, and Firefox would only use WebKit 520 for the next 3 years, complaining that Apple and Google won't slow down their development to accommodate an 18 month development cycle.
- Mark Trapp
NO -- webkit is at least poorly studied for security vulnerabilities, I don't want to live with swiss-cheese-alike crap from fruity company JUST because some few entrepreneurs want to make their life easier!!!
- Отборнейший бред
Extending the product is a good thing -- it's how the platform advances. As long as it's all open-source, we all win.
- Paul Buchheit
It's not that everybody should like it. It's that they should all do it.
- Louis Gray
Actually, that's already been discussed as part of the Gears' strategy... simply make Webkit a plugin for Firefox and IE. It's actually not *that* outlandish.
- Chris Messina
Paul, the problem is WebKit is licensed under the LGPL; Microsoft could merely create a plugin to WebKit that did all of its extra features. They really wouldn't receive all that much flak about it, either.
- Mark Trapp
@Chris - I recall that being mentioned at google code. I wonder what it would take to make a plugin for IE or firefox to use complete chrome processes as an 'accelerator'
- Robin Barooah
Yeah, an IE "plugin" is the way to go. That way users don't even need to change their habits or UI, and it could potentially fall-back to IE for sites that still don't work with webkit. There's just no advantage to having different rendering engines at this point. It's high cost, low benefit.
- Paul Buchheit
Didn't Netscape 9 allow users to choose which rendering engine they wanted to use?
- Tony Ruscoe
@Tony: Netscape 8 did: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... . You'll need to manually type the closing bracket, it is being excluded as part of the URL and I can't manually fix it.
- nadim
for you all dearst proponents of single engine - go read "1984" book... dependence on one engine (or any subsystem, when it comes to that) for whole world is dangerous... and utterly stupid when it is done for sake of small group's convenience :-/
- Отборнейший бред
@slipol - that would be true if we were talking about one engine developed by one company, but with an open-source project with many developers, I don't see how this could be a problem. Do you think that hundreds (maybe thousands) of developers worldwide will all collude to do something evil? Well, if so, some other people will come along and create a fork. In fact, WebKit was forked off of khtml. Let's not forget to thank the KDE folk for the good engine to begin with.
- Robert Felty
Why would the two most popular browsers in the world change?
- J Allen
Rob, the problem that silpol is presumably saying exists with a monoculture is that everybody is vulnerable to the same diseases. This has happened in the past where security vulnerabilities in compression and encryption libraries have made huge amounts of unrelated software vulnerable. But Paul has a good point that a dominant platform certainly makes things easier for the developer, which is why there are millions more apps for Windows than any other platform.
- Gabe
You are making a big discussion out of nothing. The hypotesis that if they all use the same basis, that will have the same DOM, they will be interoperable. That has been proved wrong: all the web browsers out there already have the same working basis (Web Standards) and still they messed things up. What makes you believe that this would be different?
- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
Marcos, the difference is that they all started from very different places and IE and Firefox both have a lot of historical gunk. Web standards wasn't their working basis, the browser wars of the 90s was. The browsers have been converging for years now, which makes web development a lot better than it used to be, but that only emphasizes the uselessness of having multiple rendering...
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- Paul Buchheit
@Paul I can only assume that you proclaim monoculture argument as nonsense only because you've never seen domino effect on large scale, with species of slightly different nature still staying... I've heard same kind of argumentation from Opera people as they were bragging on idea of "one proper engine under one proper standards" only to show them a bunch of weak points in their cardboard architecture, granted I had apropriate tools. But... Whatever.
- Отборнейший бред
The monoculture argument is based entirely on analogy, which makes for nice stories, but is a very weak form of evidence.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, but if they really wanted to interoperate, i.e. If the browser wars were really over, then they would just stop the last few years nonsense and go for standards compliance. Why did Apple fork KHTML? Why does IE insist in not adapting standards? Ultimately what matters for both end users and web developers is that each browser sees the same page in the same way. It's fictitious to...
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- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
Why bother with HTML, JS and others such standards then? Let's close up those shops and just standardize everything through Webkit. Which is great, unless if for whatever reason Webkit doesn't work on your device (or until the great Webkit fork). Let's standardize DOM instead, ne? :)
- David Lee
Standardization is hard because there's a large amount of pages crafted specifically for quirks particular browsers. Going standard breaks them.
- 9000
it sucks that it doesn't work on Windows Mobile yet.... ugh, I'm stuck in the stone age with IE6...
- Harold
This conversation is so all over the place, I don't even know where to begin. All I can say is that 1985 wasn't as bad as I would have thought, seeing as it came after 1984.
- Chris Messina
What's the point? You're still going to have to support IE6 for a decade anyway, and any new browser has to not break old apps. It's like those people who suggest that MS just replace the Windows kernel with Linux, as if all old apps will suddenly disappear, leaving the slate clean for all the glorious new apps to come.
- Gabe
that's one idea i love! standardization, baby!
- stefan
Until someone decides that engine is crap and writes their own?
- Robert Konigsberg
I'd also like to see Disqus comments to be treated as comments, which by implementing Louis suggestion in point 2, will make more sense i guess. Comments are comments, posts are posts. In case there will be no link to which the comment is added, it could work like posting a link with the Disqus comment under. Btw, @Robert, you don't have Disqus hooked up in FF ;)
- Tibor Holoda
Excellent post Louis. You are pretty much spot on with those 10 suggestions.
- Mike Fruchter
Tibor: I don't like Disqus pulling in comments here. Often I want different communities to remain separate. I'll manually pull in comments or point out when I've made comments that FriendFeeder's should be aware of. Like I did here.
- Robert Scoble
11. add user definable font size. the new beta makes me squint :)
- h1ro
#9! I hide things liberally and it does bug me, when I click on page 2, I'm seeing page 1 all over again.
- Yolanda
Great suggestions Louis, I would also add: The Ability to Hide Specific RSS Feeds and Search All Entries by URL
- Shey
and go-faster stripes, a background of babes in bikinis, and intermittant embedded hilarious fart noises.
- john conroy
I have to so that FF has been growing well with the current feature set. Like all areas of activity contraints can sometimes be helpful. FF needs to innovate itself, rather than copy straight from Twitter (DM's), Facebook (profiles) etc. 2,4,10 are most important. The issue here is not so much what features we want as how can FF grow into a mature platform.
- Roberto Bonini
Robert: I see your point, but i still think it would be a good thing to handle Disqus comments as comments, not as posts. User decides, if he wants them appear in his FF stream or not - like in your case.
- Tibor Holoda
Great List Louis! #2 is my favorite one.
- Peter Hoffmann
Tibor, I agree with you (Robert, when are you going to enable Disqus on your blog?). For the blog owner it's much easier to consolidate into one place if they can tie your comments straight to the FriendFeed post itself instead of an entirely new post.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
One more suggestion - tagging. I want to be able to tag individuals, both in my posts, *and* my comments if I'm talking about them or something they might be interested in.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Excellent list. My top priority though, isn't on there - (as per Shey) renaming or separating "Blog" posts, so individuals can hide your blog vs. another "blog" .. I'd also like it easier to determine which services I am/am not showing per individual. Just give me some enable/disable checkboxes on the users page. Strands did this right.
- Tim Hoeck
Great suggestions Louis. One clarification on #4 -- most people never see this "default" list because they were either invited by another user, or they import friends from email or facebook. The recommendations are then based entirely on who their other friends are, and will make a lot more sense.
- Paul Buchheit
Indeed some good suggestions. My guess is that the reason that #2 (duplicates) has not been implemented yet, is that it is very tricky to do right. If they do manage to implement it and get it right, I will be very impressed. I would not be too surprised though, since Friendfeed has some really sharp people working there.
- Robert Felty
Excellent List and some good suggestions in comments as well. I really would like to see 2,3,5,6, & 10. The share on FF bookmarklet should be more like Tumblr's. I would also like to be able to filter my feed to prevent duplicates. I would like to cross post my tumblr to my main blog and twitter but in doing so I create more noise for my FF stream. If I could filter out posts from blog or twitter that started with "XYZ" then I could cross post freely without worrying about FF noise.
- Keith - @tsudo
@Paul, thanks for the comment. I did test by signing up to just one individual, as if they had invited me, and by changing the one person I subscribed to, the recommended friends did change. That said, if you check out recommended friends in Facebook, there's the option to "X" out people you don't want and provide more. Plaxo also does this well.
- Louis Gray
Re: #1 and #8 I would like to see profile information that I can search, so I can find FF folks who are geographically near me or who are in my profession or who share a common interest with me. Great post - thanks!
- Courtney McGough
Pownce should worry about #10. FF will soon have to worry about cannibalizing its data suppliers, and what that means for ongoing openness. #! & #2 are the big ones with me, and I just don't see why FF enabled fake followers.
- Tinfoil 2.0
being 1st or 2nd is all that matters in that particular field.... 3rd placings and below would normally whither away
- Mark L
from twhirl
I am really getting confused. I just commented on the post. Now I see the comments here as posts. Totally agree with Tibor, messing posts together with comments, be it from Disqus or anywhere else, does not increase transparency.
- Jan Horna
#7 - want to make sure i understand that concept of "fake follow" - home feed contains all friends by default & you can then add them to a list/grouping to subdivide them for easier readability - to remove them from the home feed you have to actually de-select them when you add them to a list and then never go to that list again - is that what "fake follow" is - if so, way to much work for no return and only lame*ss self absorbed status mongers will be doing it - imho of course :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
#5 - My thought would be to make an invitation-only private room. Wouldn't this solve the partial-distribution problem?
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell, it could, and some do, but that's a room, and not a feed. Unless the room data permeates the feed, it could get missed.
- Louis Gray
I like your list. One other feature I'd like to see is to filter by service in whatever view I am in.
- Jeff P. Henderson
The absolute killer feature for me would be, if FF will recognize languages of the posts, or at least to differentiate between english vs. non-english and allow filtering. Would that even be possible or did my brain just farted? :)
- Tibor Holoda
(sorry for cross posting) Firstly, I'd like to add to Louis' list the capability to search rooms and then to search inside rooms. Secondly, I must confess that support for a basic profile would be useful. But as always I'd encourage the reuse of data (so importing it from whatever source the user decides). DMs might be usefull, but I haven't felt the need for them so far.
- Alex Popescu
I usually don't like to speak about things that are not ready, but this post was catchy. I currently have a prototype that deals with de-duping the resource links. I haven't looked into de-duping pure messages, but my gut feeling is that this might be even easier. I hope to find the time to deploy this app sometime soon.
- Alex Popescu
About private messaging: at first I thought this was a silly idea for ff, until I realized that the private messages could just show up where ff items normally show up, e.g. private comments.
- j1m
Weird, doesn't seem to work in Fluid. Clicking the link quickly shows the loading circle on the right, then does nothing. Works fine in Safari 3.1, though.
- Mark Trapp
Liked just so people see my name when they test it out.
- DeWitt Clinton
Yay! Wasn't this enabled a few months ago too?
- Phil Glockner
What is the sort order before and after expanded?
- Andrew Smith
Andrew: it puts people you are subscribed to first, but reverse ordered by the time of like other than that.
- Bret Taylor
I notice another change. "You" is the first name listed for all the things I've liked in the past. Even those where I haven't clicked on the expand Likes link. This wasn't previously the case. A bit of work on the Likes sort methodology?
- Hutch Carpenter
Noticed that too, Hutch: do you think it's sorting based on order of likes now? Obviously, with "You" always being first and outside the order.
- Mark Trapp
Mark - definitely putting "you" out front is a change. I still don't know the basis for ranking the other Likes. Maybe the guys will comment here. Or blog it.
- Hutch Carpenter
a long list of names isn't too useful; why dont you bold the ones that are my friends?
- peter
peter: all your friends are listed first.
- Bret Taylor
More recent likes come first, so as new friends "Like" things, you see them.
- Bret Taylor
Peter, bolding is a great idea, not just here, but in general. It would be an easy way to find friends that you have not yet subscribed to.
- Scott Beale
+1 for bolding names that I'm already subscribed to.
- Mike Doeff
I tweaked the sort order to put "you" first, but apparently I forgot to tell Bret.
- Jim Norris
Indeed Shey, http://ffapps.com/showlikes/ is no longer required. Seeing a list of people who liked a particular entry is a great way to explore and discover users who share similar interests.
- Aviv
چه قدر سریع,ایده اش همین صبح مطرح شد,اسمایلی جیمبووووووووووووووووووو:))ه
- Shandiz
Expanding shows a lot of Likes up in this post!
- Joe Dawson
"We just heard that Howard/Baines will be releasing an Adobe AIR application for FriendFeed in the next week or so. So far all we have is the screen shot and a confirmation from Baines that his team is working on it. The application will be called Alert Thingy." I like the name :)
- Bret Taylor
Now if someone could just combine a FF / Twitter Adobe AIR app -- making sure that tweets weren't duplicated -- that'd be super! Otherwise, it's annoying to feel compelled to run both (and no, I cannot convince all my friends on Twitter to sign up for FF, nor do I feel like creating Imaginary Friends for all of them).
- Adam Lasnik
Thing is, I love the simple web-based FF interface. Too slick to make the switch. FF + Fluid + Fluid plug-ins = winner
- Aviv
I don't feel the need to abandon the FF interface. In fact, I see myself doing other activities from within FF - http://ffapps.com/tabs/
- Aviv
Can't wait for this! It's going to be awesome.
- Brandon Titus
Its about frackin' time. What took so long? :)
- Tony Hung
Yes! My continuous partial attention does a little jig!
- Ashton
@Noah: Better than twhirl? I've never had issues with it.
- dgw
Twirl has not has issues, it just happens to rely on the twitter api being up, which is the unreliable part. As long as the FF API can keep up with demand an Adobe Air app that works as good as twirl would be sweet.
- Christian Burns
THX 4 invitatiojn- guess my computerallergy holds me away from all this kind of internet friendship thing. Somehow too much letters...u know what I mean? Maybe it takes some time to come into that stuff. Virtual??? Prefer real air, trees and touch...talk soon NOAH.
- Natascha Engelmann
@possible248 labs.adobe.com/downloads/air_linux.html btw ive been running adobe air through wine for over a month here is how you install it with wine www.ubuntu-unleashed.com/2008/03/howto-adobe-air-and-xdrive-desktop-lite.html
- Kyle Weller
@defcon: I'll bet he'll like that link. I pointed it out over Twitter, but you never know; twhirl supposedly has some issues on Linux platforms that aren't fixed yet. Wine might take care of the problems. And BTW, links are automatically, er, linked if you start them off with http://
- dgw
@Slippy: I used to think that about Twitter, until I discovered twhirl... But don't let me influence your decision. ;-)
- dgw
@Jeremy: Sweet program! At least, the looks are good and it appears to have all the functionality of the site. I won't pry for a release date. :-)
- dgw
Just got drag and drop image uploading on share... getting real close!! (via Alert Thingy)
- Jeremy Baines
You coders just constantly amaze me with your ability to whip this stuff up!
- Phil Ashman
can't wait to see the final product - you don't need some more beta testers by any chance, Jeremy? :)
- Frederic
@Frederic: I considered asking, but figured the answer was obvious. @Jeremy: So, do you? :D
- dgw
Those lucky enough to be at the adobe AIR Tour - London yesterday would have seen a demo of the app plus a demo of a couple of bugs we need to fix :). The launch is currently being held up by thawte who we are waiting on to issue our digital certificate! Once that is done we are good to go. Thanks for all the offers, we have enough beta testers on windows and mac for now, but would be interested in anyone running AIR on linux! (via Alert Thingy)
- Jeremy Baines
...and if you want to follow me and the kinds of apps we build then please subscribe to me or follow me on twitter (jeremybaines) (via Alert Thingy)
- Jeremy Baines
@Jeremy: Will all comments posted via Alert Thingy have that tagline? Oh, and I believe @possible248 on Twitter (and here) is running AIR on Linux.
- dgw
@Voyagerfan5761 yes they will. We think it's ok to ask for a bit of PR if we are giving you an app free. What do you think? It would be nice if there was a proper place to put the "via...." link, like on twitter, but the guys at FriendFeed have not provided anything like that for us yet! Bret.. are you listening??? (via Alert Thingy)
- Jeremy Baines
I would prefer to have the "via Alert Thingy"-tagline independent from the comment itself. I second that request.
- sebmos
Ok that is 2 of us - Is that enough to change the API Bret? How many votes do I need? :)
- Jeremy Baines
Of course, some of us might feel that reading a few words of advertising along with each comment is, you know, not exciting.
- j1m
Adding the source to entries and comments from the API makes a lot of sense. I will think about it and take a look at what Twitter does, and come back with something.
- Bret Taylor
@Jeremy - would be happy to try it out on Linux :)
- Frederic
I seriously seriously want this! but agree w/Adam - combo app would ROCK
- Sarah Perez
Regarding the attribution for comments, how about adding a conditional "from %APPNAME%" tag wrapped in <small> tags after the name? It would be displayed only if there was a valid source for that comment. Thumbs-up? -down?
- dgw
Just installed! Could do with customizable opacity, but otherwise it's just figuring out how to use it right now. w00t! (And making Enter save the comment...) (via Alert Thingy)
- dgw
Is there a central location for feedback/suggestions? (via Alert Thingy)
- Bwana ☠
you can send us email - help@alertthingy.com (via Alert Thingy)
- Jeremy Baines
Yeah, seriously way too transparent with no settings control. Other than that looks great.
- Marston Alfred
We hear you on the opacity thing. Good point about scroling up when writing a comment (via Alert Thingy)
- Jeremy Baines
Anybody for marking items as seen, a la twhirl? It seems that would be useful for keeping one's place.
- dgw
tried it out; seems just like a web browser... NEEEEDS functionality for me to re-consider using it
- The Product Guy
It is cool. But: turned off sounds and they are back. Window scales, but not the text size. very small! oh, and while I was writing a comment in a tiny box an update came in and my comment so far just vanished... (via Alert Thingy)
- Alex von Halem
@ Alex von Halem thanks I have added those to my list :) (via Alert Thingy)
- Jeremy Baines
@Jeremy Baines thanx. restarting stopped the sounds (perhaps just a note, that saving settings is not enough). Liking it more and more. Just a wee thing: when you hit the "comment" button: shouldn't your cursor start flashing in that field instead of having to click into it as well? Keep it up, it's going to be a winner! (via Alert Thingy)
- Alex von Halem
Also good! they make the list ;) - not actually sure when we will have time to finish everything on the list! but nice to have one so we know what needs doing ;) (via Alert Thingy)
- Jeremy Baines
Just installed it. I don't like it (alert thingy)... much prefer the FF interface. But kudos to you on the "remote key" -- solid idea.
- Michael Leggett
I don't think it hides the entries set to be hidden on FF. Anyone else can confirm this?
- Turker Keskinpala
@Turker: I wrote about that this morning, so yeah, I can confirm. It's still showing my hidden stuff as I type this. I think the fault lies with the FriendFeed API, though. So far as I know, there's no indication of hiding status available.
- dgw
Turkey and Voyagerfan5761: I will work on this today. We are not passing the "hidden" bit through to the API properly.
- Bret Taylor
@Bret - can you look at the hide issue.. we are getting the hidden stuff showing in the API
- Jeremy Baines
Thanks Bret. FF web interface is so fast and usable that it is not easy to switch to a desktop application. Nevertheless, good work Jeremy Baines.
- Turker Keskinpala
It really is a nice piece of work, but I find the whole dark/translucent thing too hard to read. I also miss the collapsing of long comment threads (like this one). In fact, I didn't realize how nice a feature that was until I didn't have it and had to scroll and scroll to get to a new comment.
- Chris Johnson
Can someone explain to me, in 42 words or less, why an app like this is better than just accessing FF over the web? Color me seriously confused. I'd try it myself, but I get an error anytime I try to download it (and yes, I have Air installed).
- Adam Lasnik
@Adam Lasnik - Firefox can't handle a lot of tabs (non beta) and I'd rather use Alert Thingy or bTittleTattle then leave FriendFeed open in Firefox. (via Alert Thingy)
- Corvida
@corvida ahh but, FF3 beta is solid and handles a wealth of tabs with great aplomb. :) I've got my eye on AT, but for now it taketh more functionality than it giveth. I suspect with all this attention, though, it will soon giveth a lot more!
- felix
Corvida, or you could do what I do when I want to keep one or two tabs open persistently and easy-to-switch-to (e.g., Pandora): open them in Internet Exploder. What I was hoping to hear was that this Air app offered intriguing / helpful "extras" that one doesn't innately get in the web version. For instance, I use Twhirl because it aurally alerts me to direct messages AND displays all messages to me in chron order on one scrolling page -- something not offered on the Twitter web page.
- Adam Lasnik
@Felix I FF Betas crash on me way more than FF2 and that's more important to me. @Lasnik I don't have IE installed =P Don't want to keep 2 browsers open anways, it's defeating the point in a way. I'm still wasting resources, though I think Alert Thingy is less of a waste.
- Corvida
Okay, just tried it on another computer. Not for me. I find it much harder to read/scan stuff on it vs. the web page.
- Adam Lasnik
Restart your copies of AlertThingy v1.1 is here! ...via AlertThingy
- Jeremy Baines
search not working for unicode content? o_O ...via AlertThingy
- minus-one
Nice, but my hidden stuff's showing up in Friendfeed so all the duplicate twitter action is annoying me. ...via AlertThingy
- brad sucks
Yup! that is anoying! But a FreindFeed API issue not AT ...via AlertThingy
- Jeremy Baines
i love this application and can't live without it. ...via AlertThingy
- Kevin
Alertthingy's coming along nicely! I'll post a couple of suggestions on your site. ...via AlertThingy
- Phil Ashman
Thwirl now offering FF integration on AIR
- Steaprok
Just installed Twhirl 0.7.9 with FF support. Anyone care to tell me why AlertThingy is better? I'm kinda Twitter centric which is why I choose Twhirl.
- Elliott Ng
Personally My social i am finding great on my laptop just having it all there in front of my and not haing to swap spaces to see what Alert thingy is doin ...via AlertThingy
- John Spencer
I moved onto alerthingy from friend feed, stricly based on aesthetics. ...via AlertThingy
- Osize Om