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The Secret Behind The Real-Time Web - YouTube - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic, (1)Bebekvegebelik, Mike Chelen and 244 other people liked this
Ross and Dan made this video to illustrate the advanced technology we use behind the scenes at FriendFeed. (Ross and Dan, you are amazing - I can't believe how awesome this thing turned out)
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
How very creative. This is very fluid and cool.
- Louis Gray
OK, not exactly what I was expecting, but very cool.
- Kevin Arth
Anyone have the video somewhere other than Youtube? it's banned here in Turkey and I can't wait until we get home (next month) to watch it!!
- Chris Myles
Bret, this video should be titled: A Love Song for FriendFeed ! Great vid (and music) !
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
This is awesome!
- Christopher Chung
with a community like this - you just can't roll-it into f.b.. keep the dream alive!
- michael sean wright
:O
- Josh Haley
Amazing, thanks for that!
- dkb
According to Ross, they used about 1030 individual pictures in the final version. Stop motion is a lot of work :)
- Bret Taylor
Sure, sure--give away all the secrets. (Are those Lego dudes union?)
- Kathy Fitch
very creative. wonder how long it took to do that stop-action?
- berchman
Ross's best work so far ! great job Ross
- goutham
Major props to Ross and Dan. FriendFeed lives on
- Shane
That's priceless. Great job, guys.
- John Craft
This is superb. I just showed it to my 5 year old son who enjoys Lego and has already taken some great photos, including one or two of his toys. So now he has the seed of the idea that, in time, he could take multiple stills and put them together to make moving pictures. Thank you very much for posting it and giving me and him that opportunity. Maybe, he might use FriendFeed one day too!
- John W Lewis
Great project!
- Anne Bouey
AWESOME!
- Kevin Fox
I think they need to make a full stop-motion version of the Matrix in legos. Now THAT would be awesome. I wonder what bullet-time looks like in LEGO?
- Bret Taylor
i'd pay to see the stop animation lego matrix, but not the sequels
- patrick
"Equipment Generously Provided By Casey Muller" - hahaha!! THIS IS AWESOMESAUCE!!! I love the creative energy and vibe in this video... LOTS of work went into that one! Thanks guys!! :)
- Susan Beebe
Genius, how much time did that all take?
- Wayne Hornsey
Chris Myles: if you want ot - DM me an address and I'll mail you a copy.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
That is so awesome
- Glenn Slaven
happy-making!
- Felicia Yue
I am more proud than ever for being a FriendFeeder :)
- Arvind
Wow!!!!!
- Mona Nomura
Excellent!!
- Kol Tregaskes
That's great!
- Devon Govett
Cool! The friendfeed's manufactury
- Benedetto Vacca
неплохо, неплохо! Продолжение будет?
- atner
Lots of handshaking I see :)
- Nicholas Kreidberg
hahaha very nice stop motion and music!
- Alex Huinchucleffy
BUMP
- Roberto Bonini
FULL OF WIN
- Jac Falcon
I've been busy, working on new production Tempest...
chaz2b, T. Brent, technopeasant and Andrew Eglinton liked this
Davide, looks a little Maori!
- Kate Foy
Love it.
- Travis Bedard
somethin' tells me you're not playing Prospero
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Custom Themes for Posterous. Also supports Tumblr themes OTB.
Zachary TG, Cristiana Danila Formetta, Alex Schleber and 79 other people liked this
Not official yet I think, but the screenshot is real and provides some info. The "Porting Tumblr" tab explains that you can use Tumblr themes as is, but all Tumblr blocks in the code won´t be supported at first.
- Thomas Bøhm
Where is the screenshot from?
- Daniel Sims
Looks exciting! I'm glad we'll be able to do completely custom themes from the beginning.
- Andrew
@Daniel: Just add "/theming" to your Posterous url :) (http://posterous.com/theming) Not visible in settings yet though. EDIT: Blocked now.
- Thomas Bøhm
Shhh guuuyys it's seeecret!!!
- Garry Tan
that'll be great if there comes a WYSIWYG creater tool for this...
- 麦克.疯
At last! Looks great, especially because users can build their own themes! Can't wait to put my hands at work on this!
- Jordi Soler
Finally! Thank god, love this service
- James Tenniswood
Can't wait!!!
- Rubin Sfadj
The folks at Posterous are really hard at work. I haven't seen anything exciting coming out of Tumblr lately
- Andre P. Siregar
Wow! That's really cool!
- Svartling
Can we use widgets and javascript code?
- Svartling
I think it will spawn quite a large number of available themes and probably cannibalize Tumblr quite a bit. @Garry: Sorry, but it wasn't a very well kept secret;) Google blogsearch showed it to me on a search I had surrounding Posterous.
- Thomas Bøhm
from BuddyFeed
@Svartling: No, not at first it says. But knowing Posterous it'll probably come along.
- Thomas Bøhm
from BuddyFeed
Things just got intriguing...
- JA Castillo
So, when does this theming feature become available? ;-)
- Rubin Sfadj
So are we any closer to getting an official date for the launch of custom themes? Or have I overlooked something?
- Andrew Eglinton
They could have custom backgrounds just to tide us over. Full themes may already be possible if the API is good enough.
- Raphael, Raphael
where's this exiting screenshot? Please, let me know how's possible to implement my posterous with theming options ..(
- Cipriana Maiameraime
WOW, nice scoop !!!
- kOoLiNuS
Awesome... just set up two sibling Posterous blogs last night... it will be cool to style them!
- Fa La La La Lindsay
...........that's great !!
- Marco Castellani
Dude, this was not suppose to be leaked
- Wayne Sutton
from iPhone
But since you did, custom themes is going to be nice !
- Wayne Sutton
from iPhone
I love leaks!
- John Graham
It's been leaking for a while now ... any update on projected availability? There have been a number of new features added since this was posted here.
- Allan Besselink
Theming is live! http://blog.posterous.com/postero...
- Garry Tan
Cool.
- Zachary TG
How Posterous could be the next Friendfeed - pingmicro - http://pingmicro.com/how-pos...
Andrew Eglinton, Holly Rae, sean andersen and 44 other people liked this
Are you organising an exodus?
- Graham Sergeant
LOL. I won't need to, Facebook will do that all by themselves at some point. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
bies?
- Mitch
But it's another platform which is a young startup. what's to say somebody doesn't buy them in another year and do the same thing? I'm honestly at the point where I'm using 3 or 4 different services for different things and will remain doing so.
- Bill Kinney
I think choosing another hilltop to hide at is not a good strategy. Going to do a lengthy post on this, hopefully this week.
- Michael Bravo
Why the sudden interest in Posterous? Its been around for at least a year already and as far as I remember doesn't have any of the community search and streaming conversation features that make friendfeed interesting.
- Rafael Robayna
I've used Posterous since the first day and I got to say that the developers are really great, so I think that Posterous will be something to watch out for.
- Svartling
Oh, and thanks for posting my post here Kol Tregaskes :)
- Svartling
No worries. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Of course you'll be seeing my Posterous posts here at FriendFeed. Twitter too. And even Facebook.
- Dennis Jernberg
I like Posterous. I'm not sure if it's going to be a Friendfeed one day. Probably not. In general one can say services not hosted by one of the major players around will disappear or be purchased within some years.
- Rutger Blom
from iPhone
In that way the acquisition of FF by FB is a good thing. You end up on a major platform which is likely to stick around more than a couple of years.
- Rutger Blom
Maybe Posterous will be bought by FB too...
- Gus
Not likely. Posterous has nothing interesting to offer to FB.
- Rutger Blom
from email
Probably not. Have you seen the new friendfeed yet? Facebook lite: http://pingmicro.com/breakin...
- Svartling
from iPhone
is posterous kind of the opposite, a broadcaster as opposed to an aggregator?
- Brian Appleby
Brian - I was wondering the same thing. Posterous seems to be a good way to post *out* to other services, rather than have those other services feed *in* (or have I missed the point?)..
- Andrew Terry
Hiya, is there a way anyone knows of to set posterous to automatically import my new friendfeed items as they turn up? (don't really want to give them my password to see if pretending it's a blog works - pls tell me if that's the only way, though ;-) thanks
- immaterial
Should be possible via RSS. Don't know how to set it up though.
- Rutger Blom
from email
@svartling thanks, forwarding filter is a good idea - giving that a try :-) also trying via feedmyinbox to see if it's fast enough for more control over items
- immaterial
group search - it would be nice if you could list groups by # of subscribers and amount of activity
Ken Morley, Kol Tregaskes, Gtp19 and 3 other people liked this
otherwise if I search e.g. "iphone" I have to click through groups one-by-one to find out what the popular ones are
- Richard Akerman
maybe it would help to show number of group subscribers in the hover text?
- Mike Chelen
Mike, in the hover text would definitely be a start, although that means you still can't see at a glance which groups in a list are large and which are small.
- Richard Akerman
i was about to suggest the same suggestion, it would be really helpful if groups are listed based on the number of subscriptions and based on the activity(comments) in a group.
- Gtp19
Thanks for the feedback Richard. Groups search could definitely use some improvement. Hopefully we'll get to it soon.
- Ross Miller
Richard, it appears the order you see the groups on the group search page are actually in number of subscriber order. But the stats should be visible, perhaps like we can see user's stats when we hover over their name/avatar?
- Kol Tregaskes
It's very confusing to have search results sorted by a field that is not displayed. Today I was trying to figure out what the heck was up with http://friendfeed.com/technol... vs. http://friendfeed.com/technol.... The ability to reorder results alphabetically would have helped. It took me a while to notice that http://friendfeed.com/groups... was sorted by subscribers (declining).
- Ken Morley
Sorting by number of subscribers would be alright if there were more filters to limit the search results.
- Mike Chelen
Petr Buben to Petr's feed, Mashable24, FriendFeed Feedback, FFNews24, Facebook1, Facebuq, FaceBookNews, WashingtonPost1
Facebook's Purchase Is Bid to Own Social Media. Facebook's purchase of FriendFeed, an obscure social-media platform, is potentially momentous. To understand why, we must understand FriendFeed, a start-up that is ubiquitous among techies and unknown to everybody else. It's a sleek application that acts as a clearinghouse for all of your... - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...
Andrew Eglinton, Ami Iida, Dennis Jernberg and 2 other people liked this
.... your social-media activities.....The social-media landscape has become disparate enough -- so many start-ups controlling so many different pieces of our lives -- that we need a central place that will organize all of our actions for us. That place is FriendFeed.
- Petr Buben
from Bookmarklet
Nice article. "After all, that's why Facebook bought FriendFeed. So it could own you".
- Martin Bryant
from iPhone
true. ...so, now how do we understand it? ... what conclusions, consequences for us, dedicated FF user club?
- Petr Buben
I'm drawing no conclusions, just waiting for official word while continuing to enjoy FriendFeed as it is for as long as possible.
- Martin Bryant
from iPhone
FriendFeed, Facebook and Twitter are expendable and will be replaced by other services. What does matter and what is not expendable is the human need to communicate. And so long as oxygen reaches our lungs, we will communicate regardless of the platform or the technology. Zuckerberg's biggest obstacle and biggest mistake is his trust in brand uniformity. To be coaxed into a single way...
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- Andrew Eglinton
yes ..but i think one, the most flexible, all encompassing, multiplatform, can become a market share leader. FF was, and is on its way, in many senses ....... in the meantime THIS ARTICLE, posted also on http://HufingtonPost.com, where you can comment, has become THE MOST VIEWED article on http://WashingtonPost.com ..- that a good one. ...if FF team was implementing our feature...
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- Petr Buben
A 1945 Code of Ethics for Theatre Workers Surfaces | LA STAGE BLOG - http://www.lastageblog.com/2009...
Craig Mason, Caroline, Andrew Eglinton and chaz2b liked this
I particularly like this one: "8. I shall forego the gratification of my ego for the demands of the play."
- Andrew Eglinton
Isn't it terrific! I hope this finds its way to theatre notice boards everywhere.
- Kate Foy
Food for the soul!
- Kris Joseph
Orestes Live! Wherever you may be! | Cambiare Productions Details on tomorrow's live-streaming performance - http://blog.cambiareproductions.com/2009...
Andrew Eglinton liked this
Cambiare Productions, (Travis Bedard and co) are live-streaming their current production of Orestes on Friday 14 August at 8pm Central (US) time. The script will also be posted. I'll be tuning in at 11am Saturday 15 August AEST. Let's get together as an international audience on this one!
Andrew Eglinton liked this
Sounds good, do you have a link for the live stream yet?
- Andrew Eglinton
Brad Williamson to FriendFeed Petition, Media News and Analysis, Arts and Culture, iPhone, TheNextWeb Forum, Appetite, building43, US Politics, ART ROOMََََ, Creative Design, FriendFeed Feedback, World News & Politics, Funny Pics and Videos, RWW: The Future of Tech, Funny Funny, Social Media, Sports Talk 2.0, Ideas & Inspiration, Crazy Gadgets, Lifehack, TV Talk
NEW GROUP!!! "FriendFeed Petition" http://friendfeed.com/friendf... What's gonna happen to our community, data and favorite features now that Facebook has acquired FriendFeed? Sign this petition to get FriendFeed management to speak up, NOW!
Ali Irani, Ozgur Uckan, 'Like' robot (frɐnc) and 108 other people liked this
http://friendfeed.com/friendf... Sign it, party people!!! Subscribe to the group, leave your own INDIVIDUAL post about why this has upset you and why you want answers NOW!
- Brad Williamson
Signed. But will it be delivered?
- jcunwired
signed.
- Dusty Edenfield
signed.. data and friends??
- Gtp19
signed
- Pedram
signed
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
No. Sorry. Oddly enough, I'm pretty sure that FF is perfectly aware of the issues already, given the 18,000 posts from FriendFeed users which basically say the same thing. Anything they can say has already been said.
- Ian Betteridge
signed. What will happen with all of the pushing / pulling of the multiple other social networks and sites that friendfeed currently supports?
- Vinny
Plus, not a chance in the world that I would sign this as you've spammed it to many completely irrelevant groups.
- Ian Betteridge
@Ian Yup, I did. It needed to happen.
- Brad Williamson
My question will not get an answer but signed anyway
- M F
Well, sorry Brad, but I block spammers. Just because you think it's important enough to spam every group you can think of doesn't mean you're right. It's a completely selfish attitude, and I resent it. Sorry, but bye.
- Ian Betteridge
money talks and bs walks.
- Bill Kinney
Signed
- JSLeFanu
^^^ too true, only the social community here is no bs.
- jcunwired
Ian. you're funny.
- Brad Williamson
from BuddyFeed
signed
- Manantsoa
Right now, I have this song on repeat... http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Brad Williamson
Maybe I'm just not very informed.. but what's the validity of a petition? As in, does a certain number of signatures entitle the people to their view? Or is it just sorta saying "Yea, we all agree.. see?" and hoping people listen?
- Angelo Rodrigues
It's just a stupid reason to start a new group ;-) Nah... It's really a place where we can all gather in common agreement about something that really sucks hard. And maybe it'll get the FF management to stop partying for a minute and tend to the people who really want some answers.
- Brad Williamson
Do Friendfeed users stand at risk of losing all the bookmarks, notes and other data they have collected and stored on Friendfeed over a year and longer?
- Sean McBride
I'd imagine so.
- Brad Williamson
Losing all of one's Friendfeed data would be disturbing. Facebook and Friendfeed should issue an official statement on this question as soon as possible.
- Sean McBride
I don't know how useful it will be, but I am here too
- Flavio
Included in that data is our subscribers and friends we might lose. If there's one thing that carries over, our network of connections absolutely must remain.
- Brad Williamson
"We absolutely wouldn't shut (FriendFeed) down." - Quote from FriendFeed management member on zdnet.com blog http://friendfeed.com/media-n...
- Brad Williamson
wouldn't is not won't, and they always speak about the short term. what'll be in the long term?
- Flavio
New Friendfeed group: Facebook/Friendfeed News https://friendfeed.com/faceboo...
- Sean McBride
viva la resistance!!
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Signed.
- Steven Perez
They'll speak up in time, give them a chance. ;-) Paul has said he'll post more soon - I think they all deserve some sleep. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
davidangel
- David Angel
from twhirl
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- David Angel
from twhirl
still not sure about all this but that picture is amazing!
- james gray king
Speaking of FF feedback, this ridiculous cross-post should be exhibit #1 about why we need to be able to hide individual posts when browsing groups/rooms.
- Andrew C
Thanks for the bump, Andrew ;-)
- Brad Williamson
+1 Ian. We don't need no user drama...
- Bill Sodeman
signed.
- Valley
+1 to Brad. I like large crossposting. Brad is announcing possible new groups you can visit. It is good. Nobody is forced to go there. As to petition issue, Im sure FF team already reads it and is aware. http://friendfeed.com/petrnews
- Petr Buben
See Paul's statement here: http://ff.im/6qQYJ - and have some patience, friends.
- Bill Sodeman
And here is the response I left to Paul's statement... There are a few promises and guarantees that you SHOULD be able to provide. Like, that our network of friends will remain intact and that the features that make this site great will remain. If you can't make those promises, then you shouldn't have done the deal. I sure do hope that the real-time search engine wasn't the centerpiece...
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- Brad Williamson
Such a horrifying picture... Why am I getting Service Unavailable on this??
- Kamilah Gill
I may have missed it but who drew that picture?
- Benjamin Taylor
Keep this the hell out of the twitter room, thanks. Not commenting in any way on the cause, just your spammy blasting of it around.
- Brad McCrorey
Ha! Don't you know that "Brad's" aren't supposed to hate on other "Brad's?"
- Brad Williamson
Not hating on you, just your methods. I'm not an Apple Room admin, but I'd delete it out of here too if I were.
- Brad McCrorey
Turning yourself into a spammer isn't going to help your cause, or any other. Quite the opposite.
- Brad McCrorey
Brad McCrorey++
- Andrew C
Thanks Andrew :)
- Brad McCrorey
Signed, not that I'm particularly worried about what they'll do, but to show solidarity.
- Ron Bailey
also what happens to our stuff which we have posted on here if the close the site?
- Chris Bellinger
I think what we all need is a statement from 'someone' at FF or FB to give a commitment as to (if or when) they plan to pull the plug.
- Jim Connolly
I'm in. Thank you.
- Niki Costantini
sign all the petitions you want it will not change a mulit-million dollar deal no matter how many you get. Don't get me wrong but these guys are living the American dream. It sucks to us because we all loved the idea of a community of like minded people, but at the end of the day no one owned this site but the owners. We may bitch but get real, there decision is signed. Move forward and...
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- Lokei Atikus™®
nice graphic!
- Mike Chelen
signed. but i don't think this petition or any others (including facebook pages/causes) that crop up in the ensuing days are going to make an iota of difference to what has already happened.
- Vijay
vijay: I agree but we can only try
- outofmyarse
My guess is that FB will keep FF the way it is due to the fact that FB and FF operate in completely different realms...with FB adopting some of the FF technology to enhance the FB realm. That said, what FB now needs to make very clear is a commitment to keep FF the way it is. Although probably unintended, the acquisition announcement is having a chilling effect upon third party FF developers, most notably Seesmic, due to the uncertainty of the whole thing.
- Stephen M. Otto
Per this there are no immediate FF changes but no guarantees http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL...
- Carey Lumeng
Pros on the "Facefeed": actually may keep friend feed alive. Anyone know how they make money. May improve Facebook integration (<1% of my facebook friends are on friendfeed...no I don't live under a rock...just in the MIdwest). May actually improve FF function. I found a learning curve that I had to get over to make it effective. Took me 2-3 goes at trying to commit to the platform....
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- Carey Lumeng
My biggest concern is that the deal was established in an effort to not bring our community sharing features over to Facebook, but to simply give them access to FriendFeed's real-time search engine.
- Brad Williamson
We now have a hundred Likes on this entry and 94 subscribers to the FriendFeed Petition group http://friendfeed.com/friendf... . I think if we break the 150 mark on each of these, FriendFeed will DEFINITELY void Facebook's acquisition of them. Yup, I couldn't be more confident that that's what will happen. Done deal, dudes... done deal ;-)
- Brad Williamson
Yes... Santa Claus, Batman and Spider-Man will tear up the deal documents themselves! ;)
- Bill Sodeman
Fwd: Backup and Export of FriendFeed Data #backupfriendfeed RT If you want Lifestreambackup to backup your Friendfeed account - http://blog.lifestreambackup.com/2009... (via http://friendfeed.com/gmeiers...)
Aaman (Clone of FF), Tyson Key, FFTornado and Andrew Eglinton liked this
You can easily manage your backups. The thing here is that it's important to get a lot of people request to Lifestreambackup to developp it
- Gilles Meiers
Interesting article in the Guardian on current fascination with young playwrights: http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage...
Andrew Eglinton liked this
It's about giving young writers support and a toehold, and why not? As to whether it's 'taking away' support from mid-career writers ... well, here we go again with the economic 'pie' allocated to the arts - there's apparently not enough to go round. I remember hearing this same sort of thing in the 70s when it was women who were being 'favoured.'
- Kate Foy
When I was a teen, I used to walk the Rue St Catherine in Bordeaux with a friend of mine. It's a beautiful 2 mile pedestrian street that cuts through the city centre. We'd encounter moments of tension and rivalry with other teens along the way. My friend and I would often joke that the only way to avoid confrontation would be to assemble a group of friends, one friend from each country...
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- Andrew Eglinton
My reading of this article wasn't that we should discourage support of young writers but that we should instead make it support of new writers - whatever their age. It rang a bell with me because I started writing in my mid-thirties. My first play was ineligible for many first play competitions because of my age. I agreed with the point in the article about many playwrights starting...
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- Katherine Lyall-Watson
Yes, I see your point Katherine. Ultimately it is about support, about gaining confidence and experience as a writer, having the time and resources to experiment, to take risks, but also (if there's an element of mentoring involved), to be inspired.
- Andrew Eglinton
I was thinking about the possiblity of FF trends!! could this be implemented, and what about hot discussion concept!
Kol Tregaskes, Alejandro, Andrew Eglinton and 3 other people liked this
You mean trending topics a la Twitter? Is FF a search engine? Isn't it more of a commentable feed aggregator i.e. a large proportion of content is generated elsewhere and fed into FF for discussion? Would trending topics make sense in this context?
- Andrew Eglinton
yes of course!! hot discussion, hot thread, as implemented in forum, FF isn't just a feed aggregation, it give people the opportunity to discuss them, so starting from the concept of "hot discussion" witch can be "discussion with comment >=100" or may an other implementation, the from the hot discussion the trend appears. it is just a a way to mining the information flux that come here.
- abdellah
I didn't say it was 'JUST' a feed aggregator...regardless, does a topic that has >100 comments necessarily mean that it's a 'hot topic' i.e. a topic of greater public interest than one with say 20? Don't get me wrong, I quite like the idea, I'm just wary of the sensationalism that comes with so-called 'hot topics' and the fact that any such list will inevitably be populated by FF users with the largest number of subscribers. Bottom line, big statistics do not necessarily equate with interesting content.
- Andrew Eglinton
yes I understand what you say, regarding the implementation of the concept of "hot discussion" it may be done by many ways, now you are about the sensationalism that it may induce, let suppose that it will be as interest bulb, that will attract more people and to incite more debate, that all.
- abdellah
And where would you want the hot-topics section to be displayed?
- Andrew Eglinton
let say, up the group section :) BTW thank you andrew I enjoyed this exchange, you make me see a a part of a problem that I was completely blind to see it.
- abdellah
Abdellah - pleasure. Would love to hear what other people think about hot topics for FriendFeed...
- Andrew Eglinton
hope that they will come in, will be a pleasure tu read what they think about too.
- abdellah
Right now, I'm mulling over creating an 'aggregator' website to pull in theatre reviews. I've been going crazy during the last hour or so trying to track down reviews particularly of our thriving indie scene in Brisbane. Given what we know about social networking, digital design and so on, what should such a site look like/do. Any ideas out there?
Andrew Eglinton liked this
simple and userfriendly - altho I am sure that you make it that way. But I like simple headings that require common sense to figure out where you want to go to get what you want. I think productions should be listed by years, but have a search function that you could search by company, artist or play title. Is that possible?
- The Lady Fray
oh yeah and with links to the companies. Like if someone wanted to ask me a question or to find out more about the show they could click on a link.
- The Lady Fray
This isn't a response to Paul Carr's techcrunch article by any chance? http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - regardless, I think it's a great idea. Arts and Letters Daily is one type of model http://www.aldaily.com/ - then you have the http://popurls.com/ / http://www.alltop.com model - similar to A&LD but with less daily...
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- Andrew Eglinton
Kathryn and Andrew thanks for this. Will start playing in the sandbox and see what I come up with. Will ask for your input when I have something to show.
- Kate Foy
Kate I would drop a line to Isaac Butler about the pitfalls they ran into on Critic-o-meter
- Travis Bedard
Travis, thanks. I did a quick Google and found this from the Guardian on Critic-o-meter. http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage... I hadn't intended on rating reviews as Butler and Weinart-Kendt did, simply on providing an aggregated space for them. The space would also enable comment by readers, but the Groundling wouldn't lead the charge! I also...
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- Kate Foy
Any further thoughts on this Kate? Any closer to a concrete project plan?
- Andrew Eglinton
Andrew - yes, I've checked out the Popurls clone site, and consulted with the mavens at Thesis. I do like this theme, which I use myself on a couple of sites, and rather than go to another design, would like to mod it using RSS code. I'm about to sketch out a preliminary site. Will certainly need some thoughts when it's ready to emerge into the light! PS, actually getting quite excited at this one.
- Kate Foy
from email
Andrew, I'm now wondering whether a Tumblr site mightn't work ... it would certainly take the pressure off my own site. There are some interesting RSS rich Tumblr designs that I'm currently checking out. Do you have any thoughts on this? LATER: Scrub that one. Can't import RSS feeds other than one from sites the Tumblr owner produces. Back to the drawing board I think.
- Kate Foy
What I would advise it to open this up to a collaborative effort. Perhaps teaming up with another person in the area to run and implement this project and offset some of the time and work involved. Even more important would be to scout for some Brisbane-based designers/developers looking to do pro-bono work. That way you can go for a bespoke design and hopefully with developer help,...
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- Andrew Eglinton
Presenting Theater Where It’s Least Expected - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/2009...
Andrew Eglinton and Travis Bedard liked this
Is 'environmental theatre' still sufficiently novel to rate an article like this? I guess so. I wonder why more is not being attempted by experimental theatres world-wide. Perhaps it is. What (apart from local council bureaucracies) might prevent an enterprising group staging 'theatre where it's least expected?'
- Kate Foy
for me it's two things. Lack of environmental control and audience squeamishness. But if I can get my brain over the filmishness of it, it's on my list of things to explore.
- Travis Bedard
@Kate health and safety!! --- Great to see Travis here.
- Andrew Eglinton
FriendFeed has been almost completely blocked in Iran as far as we can tell. We have a large number of very active Iranian users, and we noticed a steep decline in activity yesterday. Graph below.
ILLA, egza, Ozer Wrzl (EN) and 789 other people liked this
:(
- Paul Buchheit
:( :(
- Rachel Lea Fox
:-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Related to the election?
- τorƍue
:(
- Ross Miller
that's so bad...
- Eren Emre Kanal
:-(
- Kevin Fox
τorƍue: Yes, as far as we know
- Bret Taylor
این نمودار نشاندهنده افت فرندفید به دلیل بسته شدن آن در ایران است
- Mycaptain
Bret: Is this based on IP numbers located in Iran, or actual activity from those users? If it's IP based, it'd be interesting to see the activity on a user basis and see if they've been able to route around the blocking.
- Ken Sheppardson
:(
- Marina Remi
Could it be related to Twitter being blocked (and therefore the twitter traffic import being blocked)?
- Stephan Osmont
):
- Jim Norris
Some users are definitely going through proxies. This is total # of unique visits from IPs originating in Iran
- Bret Taylor
That tells it's own, sad, story.
- WorldofHiglet
:(((
- Oğuz Serdar
Wow.
- Rochelle
If Twitter were blocked and FriendFeed weren't, I'd expect an uptick in FriendFeed activity, not a 92% drop.
- Kevin Fox
I.e. given all the users who've previously accessed the site from an Iran IP number, how many have been active from different numbers in the past 2 days.
- Ken Sheppardson
Sad.
- Jen (SquirrelGirl)
Instead of "liking" this, shouldn't we have an "unlike" button?
- Steven Melfi
:( Bret: According to Stephen fry, these are the iran proxies: 218.128.112.18:8080 218.206.94.132:808 218.253.65.99:808 219.50.16.70:8080 . Can you track these IPs?
- Roberto Bonini
I knew this day was coming. Too bad.
- Robert Scoble
Steven - same feeling here. I always feel weird "liking" bad stories on FF
- Mike Bracco
How does traffic from China look? Or North Korea?
- τorƍue
:(
- Helen Sventitsky
do not like :(
- Tamara
@τorƍue Twitter has been restored in China
- Stephan Osmont
Hey... we saw issues with blogfa.com as well: http://blog.spinn3r.com/2009...
- Kevin A. Burton
like for spread but not like for the situation
- Imprenditore
I wonder what the international community can do about stuff like this. Eventually the "bad guys" will lose.
- Michiel Sikkes
Hopefully, we'll never see a graph like this for Turkey...
- Onur Şentüre
that's because the government has blocked access to friendfeed,twitter,facebook,youtube and ... after election and after protests in Iran cities !
- Farshad
Man... :( That's really a corrupt government. Hope it gets better soon.
- Peter
That's horrible.
- Barış (beyn.org)
Kheyzaran mentioned over the weekend that both Twitter and FF were blocked for Iran starting I believe on Friday. He is using a proxy when possible to keep us updated
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Bret, any analysis about how many people unable to access FF directly are still able to access it via proxy?
- Daniel Dulitz
:-(
- bookmeister
:( Let the voices be heard!
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
So sad...
- Luka
Sigh :(
- Havang
can you suggest a way in friendfeed to show the situation in iran to the world ? its very important
- Farshad
I doubt any regular North Koreans have computers τorƍue
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Daniel: Well, we are still getting a bunch of Farsi comments and posts. They may be Persians from outside Iran or from Iranians using proxies. We don't have a detailed analysis breaking those down at this point.
- Bret Taylor
The stigmata of evil.
- Tim Tyler
all cominucation devices are blocked .even phone & cell phones !
- MohammadReza
see this for example : http://abcnews.go.com/Interna...
- Farshad
Watching the "guerrilla cyberwarfare" aspect of the elections and reactions has been fascinating. Iran's universities are obviously full of resourceful, passionate geeks.
- John Craft
not good in terms of freedom
- Sheri Fresonke Harper
this is really bad. i hope there's some resolution to this. the people or iran have shown a lot of strength and courage to protest the illegitimacy of recent events. i don't think this will stop things
- Cee Bee
Is it possible that the same folks from Iran that are active on Friendfeed are the ones out protesting?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
please help us , we are under attack ,change friendfeed logo if you can
- فرزاد
we need a new way
- Semiramis
@MVB we all are Protests
- MohammadReza
That's sad.
- EricaJoy
:( Dislike.
- Ruchira S. Datta
:(
- © D/\\/IIID ℠ ®
P.S. Kevin should turn the logo green in support of the Iranian's being disenfranchised.
- EricaJoy
:((
- ramin
For those that are in Iran: Have you tried http://fftogo.com as a workaround?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
make a room for us, invite your friends we will fill it with latest news
- Farshad
I'm completely for having a fair vote, but I'm not sure that I'd want to try and align FriendFeed with a particular candidate, which is what a green logo would imply.
- Kevin Fox
Many iranians using proxies to access FF. and therefore their IPs changes to fake IP .
- آدمیرال
MohammadReza: Maryam's mom is still able to call her relatives and friends in Tehran, so they are keeping some voice traffic open, if not all.
- Robert Scoble
Farshad, I'm trying to post news here: http://friendfeed.com/world-n...
- Kol Tregaskes
No words for that...
- Frank
thanks kol :)
- Farshad
If Iran thinks they have nothing to fear, then why block Friendfeed?
- Frode Stenstrøm
Frode: because the government is like China: they believe that by retarding the flow of information they will reduce the threat of protests and governmental overthrow.
- Robert Scoble
Very reminiscent of the prelude to the fall of the Shah
- Alan Morris
I don't speak Persian, so I don't know all the searches, but there are still (luckily) a lot of Persian users posting: http://friendfeed.com/search.... If you are Persian and looking for updates, try our search engine to find the few users who still have access.
- Bret Taylor
Frode: and in Iran's case, they are run by conservative religious authorities and they don't like the fact that they are not in control of information flow like they used to be. They like to think they can still control information sources and, since they can't, they try to block places where their citizens can go to share information.
- Robert Scoble
is it a joke? iranian users seems the %90 of friend feed. it could not be real!
- Fırat DEMİREL
Firat: There are no units on the vertical axis of the chart.
- Ken Sheppardson
Firat: This is a chart of traffic from Iran, not of FF's total traffic.
- Kevin Fox
Firat, i doubt that this graph is a percentage graph... probably more likely that it's measuring hits, sessions, or total data transfered (mb, kb, etc)
- Chris Heath
Kevin: what impact did this have on FF's overall traffic?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Iran is the #6 country for FriendFeed in terms of page views per day.
- Bret Taylor
something is cooking out there...
- mehdi
Thanks all for answers. i told that it could not be real.. :) excuse me, i ve just read Bret's notice and looked at breaking point. i saw what i've missed before.. bad news for ff and iran.. :(
- Fırat DEMİREL
These statistics are incredible, especially the normally heavy useage of FF in Iran.
- Curt Mercadante
Bret Taylor, we can tag our pix and vids about iran election by an english keyword such as 'iran' or 'iranelection'. I think it will help to ff non-persian users to find out more about unrests in iran.
- آدمیرال
Iran restored cell phone service Sunday that had been down in the capital since Saturday. But Iranians still could not send text messages from their mobile phones, and the government increased its Internet filtering in an apparent attempt to undercut opposition voices. Social networking sites including Facebook and Twitter were also not working.
- Üstün Üzüm
Do *not* like. :(
- Pete Delucchi
:(
- Russ Jackson
:(
- Mitch
آقا یکی توضیح بده اینکه من(ما) لایک میزنیم! عملا دیسلایک ه ! :(
- younes
Younes says that our likes to this graph mean dislike to tehran's regime censorship
- آدمیرال
I can't find any evidence of Twitter being blocked in Iran. Anyone?
- Martin Bryant
TechCrunch just picked this up: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
Thanks for the translation آدمیرال !
- Ross Miller
ممنونم آدمیرال عزیز
- younes
خواهش دوست من.
- آدمیرال
martin: those words are not mine actually from a news article from washinton post.
- Üstün Üzüm
On twitter people are retweeting the IPs and ports of unblocked proxies, can we do something like that here?
- Canageek
martin, i'm from iran. twitter is blocked. what evidence you wanna? screenshot!?
- آدمیرال
yes Canageek. we use proxies for tweeting
- آدمیرال
Authorities blocking the internet are just reinforcing solidarity between people, can't they understand ?
- Stanislas Jourdan
Stanislas: not to mention they encourage their smartest and richest people to leave (the ones who have technical skills). There's a reason why Silicon Valley has 10,000 or more Iranians living here. Their government sucks and the people are getting tired of it. Of course if their government was great I would never have met my wife (who grew up in Tehran). So, there is good to come out of a crappy government! :-)
- Robert Scoble
it has always seemed to me that the iranian user base is ENORMOUS here. wow. unbelievable.
- edythe
It is interesting how much civil unrest that is brewing across the globe towards their governments. The knee jerk reactions in attempting to block certain websites shows how much they didn't expect the net to become such a widespread conduit for cutting through the bs and informing those that wish to know. I wish those who take a stand all the best.
- alphaxion
:(
- Roberto
Another way for those that are in Iran is to access through Netvibes (but I don't know if it works or if it's blocked too), adding Friendfeed, Gmail and so on such as modules
- Roberto
Thanks for sharing this, Bret. It's valuable evidence of what's going on, evidence which wouldn't have been available even a few years ago.
- Michael Nielsen
sad
- Pedro Beltrao
Very interesting...so much for democracy and voting rights in Iran...
- freedom fighter mom
If anybody in Iran feels up to it, can you temporarily disable your proxy and run a traceroute to friendfeed.com and twitter.com then post the results here?
- EricaJoy
Bret and Paul, can you let us know if the traffic comes back, which would tell us they've unblocked FriendFeed?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: absolutely, we will let everyone know when it comes back up
- Bret Taylor
from email
Steven: You Like that it was posted, not the content of the post.
- Tanath
Bret, thanks for sharing the info about the dive. Shame, but what could we have expected from the Iranian status quo?
- Jon Osterholm
البته یه چیز هم هست اونکه بعد از فیلترینگ همه با آی پی غیر ایرانی می ان فرندفید و برای همنی آمارشون اینجا ثبت نمیشه ... وگرنه فکر نمی کنم از لحاظ تعداد نفراتی که میومدن کم شده باشه ... بلکه هم بیشتر
- HΛMΣD ƧΛFΛ
Yes, it happend and we have to use proxy to access friendfeed. Look at democracy in Iran...
- Zahra (raoros)
The coversations and comments here are educational.
- Seek Ground
@بی بی, you might try https://friendfeed.com/
- Jim Norris
:(
- imabonehead
Damn.
- Steven Perez
http://mojipage.com register in this website and add ff widget! twitter is blocked in iran so I am posting twitts by a script or choqok(http://choqok.gnufolks.org/)
- ★amin.m★
from MojiPage
Good luck to all of you trying to get around the censorship. I hope the big sites are doing what they can to help out.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Looking at the potential of this event in the future for numerous causes is mind-boggling. Really amazing.
- Charlie Anzman
Come to think of it, does FF have a presence in China? I'd imagine it's blocked there. I've seen Chinese on here, but never sure if that's from China or speakers outside.
- anna sauce
Tnx Bret
- Conformist / Unforgiven
Thnaks :)
- Exir
این چی میگه؟
- Lord hozeh
ببین شب انتخاباتی چکار کردیم با این فرفر. wow!
- ali
چه همه لااااااااااااااااایک!
- ali
:((
- AJ Batac
Damn.
- Derrick
Expected.
- Michael W. May
Yes, Friendfeed is blocked in Iran. Right now the papers and TV channels here are controlled by the government and our access to satellite channels is blocked too. Friendfeed and Twitter are quite vital for us now. Our main source of exchanging information and news is Friendfeed. Via Friendfeed we let everyone know that where people need help and where to go and how to help them and...
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- Selma
Selma: does https://friendfeed.com/ work for you?
- Bret Taylor
Nope, they have blocked all https addresses, we have had to sign in to Friendfeed via anti-filters for the past few months.
- Selma
its a shame. it was one the main media we used to inform ppl. thats why they filtered it. now many users cant sign in
- Myri∂m
Can't we "help" in some way? Providing proxies, I don't know, the kind of stuff pirates do. Pirates, and people trying to make a Revolution happen....
- Zackatoustra
It may not be long before Turkey joins the party.
- Sarp Tüzün
It's very sad to see this happen
- Michael Fidler
tnx all of you...
- emin
internet was our last hope ...but it block...and we cant use it easily...
- Opium
:(
- Caroline
I just spoke with my friend Andres, the main BBC correspondent for the Middle East/Afghanistan, and he mentioned the web is being fire walled in Iran much the same as the the "Great Firewall" during last year's Olympics in China.
- sofarsoShawn
The Iranian websites that people used to exchange information about the election protests in Iran are under cyber-attacks by the government forces and from anonymous sources. Many of them are down right now. These Iranian websites were our few last remaining channels to inform people. What can we do about that? Is there anyone out there who can help us with this?
- emin
i was 53rd active user in friendfeed until this filtering. now i can open FF with proxies and if i can fine. a Vpn but many Vpn here come from companies that have relations with security services, i thunk they allow us to bypass filternig and then, they will arrest who has wrote against their goals
- خیزران kheyzaran
Can't we transfer the data/databases of the sites you, iranian guys, use to any new domain we could buy? I want to help. Not by throwing rocks to "security service" forces, but, at least, by making possible for what YOU have to say to go public, worldwide.
- Zackatoustra
FF is a useful website for Iranian People to get reliable information about demonstration against presidential election.
- پارسـا
so so sorry for iran people... I hope they will win...
- Tanaydin Sirin
and Now Yahoo messenger and google talk blocked in iran :((((
- پارسـا
Some amazing images from Iran - http://ff.im/42pgD
- Brent - Loving Life
Does http://fftogo.com work still?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Selma: 1- I don't use a proxy but clearing all but one (deleting them all logs me out) instance of each friendfeed.com cookie name and refreshing the page always solves this for me in Firefox. Has never happened on Lunascape or IE. Good luck.
- Alexandros Georgiadis
google block fftogo for iranian users!!!
- ★amin.m★
Friendfeedがイランでblockされているというコトらしい。いったいどういう理由でだか分からないけれど……もし、国内のゴタゴタの影響であればいずれtwitterも、ということになりかねないのかも。／でも、fftogoを使えば迂回できるのかな？
- Sakurai.Catshop
What about email, amin.m? Are you able to post to FF by emailing share@friendfeed?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I don't know about email. now I am using freegate or another site like http://mojipage.com
- ★amin.m★
Could http://dev.ctor.org/f2p, http://frienddeck.com or http://peoplebrwsr.com work for friendfeed?
- Alexandros Georgiadis
Very sad.
- Parth Awasthi
The reason I ask is because if you can email a post, then try sending it to share@friendfeed and also to YourUserName@friendfeed. Then when someone comments you'll receive an email about it and you can comment back to the thread via email as well.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
No wonder why !
- Pelin
+ don't use your ISP's DNS server, verify your Firewall, search for rootkits.. + If you really wanna use Tor, be 'mobile', check the onion's status, don't be too confident, continue to use encrypted protocols & 'mobile' ports. At least, read Tor's docs and articles about Tor & privacy/security..
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
now chat like gmail or yahoo messenger are blocked too
- egza
I don't know if these can help but I put them here anyway http://www.noiseriver.com/ http://moopz.com/
- M F
Alexandros: Frienddeck could work for certain parts - posts and queries against user accounts are proxied through the App Engine, searches are direct against Friendfeed so they could probably not work.
- Paul Kinlan
Thanks :((
- مـهدی معتمد
:( booooooo
- Duncan Rawlinson
:o
- FKU
DAMN!
- Vicey
whoa, NOT good
- Susan Beebe
We wish the people of Iran well in these difficult times
- Marc
Not good at all. Best wishes to the Iranian FFers. I hope this whole mess gets cleared up quickly and with as little violence as possible
- Kamilah Gill
this is terribly wrong
- Francisco Costa
A government that takes away people's Friendfeed will not last long.
- Goran Zec
WOW CRAZY
- Matt Kaufman
I like that 667 people liked this, that's 667 people hoping it all gets resolved justly and peacefully.
- Steve C
now we are 676 people who liked that =) hoping too everthing gets resolved peacefully.
- Ibrahim Tarlig
Bret, is there any update on this? Is activity still low?
- Kol Tregaskes
Yes, we are still being blocked
- Bret Taylor
:-(
- Kol Tregaskes
:-(
- Arif Siddiquee
definitely DON'T LIKE this... >_< ...would love to be able do more than retweeting proxies
- Daniele
Best regards from Chile to all iranian people, we know a lot about bad government and human rights. Good luck, strength and courage to all of you.
- Roberto Arancibia
:(
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
It's to bad there is such attempts to block free flow of information, how long will it be before there is more amazing differences happening? Such limits, hmm.
- Ray Marr aka Knatchwa
They have to keep the militants in check. Thank goodness for the pipes that were broken.
- tony
بیا بالا ای فید من
- egza
Digg.com is block in Iran now.
- Sahandram
:-(
- Paolo Valzania
:((
- Mitchell Tsai
Interesting censorship- same can happen in America - I would like to talk to you abt Friendfeed and bringing over some large groups do you have time?
- JanSimpson
I've seen those censorship about FriendFeed (Iran). Do you know some interesting and objective blogposts about it?
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
:(
- Rachel Lea Fox
Do you have a similar graph as ff's been blocked in China?
- K.D.
And China now has a similar blockage. You should also check on it.
- Kenyth
Sometimes we forget how easy we have it than other countries. But until people revolt & I mean a HUGE revolution injustices will still go on.
- Gabriella Sannino
ای بابا این فید رو شخم زدن :))
- egza
پرلایک ترین فید فرفره این
- ramin
jeddi?
- HΛMΣD ƧΛFΛ
from IM
آره حامد آمارشو قبلا در آورده ام
- egza
che jaleb , oonvaght por comment dartarin feed kodoome? bebinim mishe feed 2khtare mardom e farzad davan davan ro be oon beresoonim?
- HΛMΣD ƧΛFΛ
from IM
حامد اینجا رو ببین http://friendfeed.com/amirsem...
- egza
ba mobile am ... to bebin bara manam tarif kon :D
- HΛMΣD ƧΛFΛ
from IM
بعد از این فید که هستمی این http://friendfeed.com/funny-p... در رده دوم لایکه ,اینجا شش هزار و خورده ای کامنت داره http://friendfeed.com/ideali... این فید از فارسی زبانان فرفر همین نیما خودمون http://friendfeed.com/nimaa... در لایک 204 تا این هم از آیدا http://friendfeed.com/elaheye... بیشتر از 2400 کامنت داره
- egza
Embedding FriendFeed like we do here on building43 - http://www.building43.com/web-too...
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What is the benefit of using the iframe nested inside of an object tag? I believe that a simple iframe should work fine in all browsers.
- Paul Buchheit
The post said it was because of IE, is that not the case?
- Mike Bracco
It said that the iframe was for IE, but I think the iframe should work for all browsers, so why bother with the object tag at all?
- Paul Buchheit
My research led me to believe that the object tag was the standards-compliant tag to be using, while iframe is "on its way out."
- Michelle McGinnis
Paul: hmmm not sure - speaking of IE - did you see this cartoon, pretty funny http://thenextweb.com/2009...
- Mike Bracco
Unfortunately I didn't capture where I read that but it was freaky enough (implying that iframes would be stripped due to iframe attacks on sites) to make me wrap the iframe in an object tag. I'll keep trying to find the source.
- Michelle McGinnis
Michelle, I very much doubt that the iframe is going anywhere. I actually didn't even realize that the object tag could be used to embed an iframe :). As for security, anything that would strip iframes would most likely strip object tags as well, though if there's any difference I'm curious to learn more. (do frame breakers work inside object tags?)
- Paul Buchheit
Paul: True 'nuf. I need to do more research. Most of my coding for building43 was done under a normal (aka crazzzzy) deadline and I was accepting the stuff that worked at face value. I'll see what I can find out and amend the post as needed. Thanks again for all your help with the styling!
- Michelle McGinnis
Michelle - Great article by the way - we've all been wanting it since we saw it last week. I think it's a great tool, and a great way to integrate Friend Feed.
- Robert Freeze
For people who use Squarespace as the platform for their site. They are releasing some pretty nifty lifestream modules soon - http://lifestreamblog.com/squares... I am curious as to whether I will keep the FF widget or use what Squarespace releases.
- Mike Bracco
Cool the FF Team just put out the embed widget at the bottom of the page here :: http://friendfeed.com/embed ... it was not there this morning :-) .... thanks @Brent and FF Team.
- Jason Cronkhite
Glad to see it posted to the community :D. Thanks FF team. Stylesheet usage is new to me!
- Mark Essel
Brilliant! Thanks very much for this.
- Andrew Eglinton
Michelle - Nice work, thanks for being kind enough to share.
- Jim Connolly
Yeah I finally upgraded the embed widget last night on my site: http://chrisheath.us - took a bit of css tweaking and some hair pulling, but eventually I got it working - my main problem is that I want a fluid design - if anyone has suggestions on how to better code my page please contact me via the feedback link on the site
- Chris Heath
IFRAME isn't on its way out: it's part of HTML5 and XHTML2, and it's not deprecated. The only reference I could find to its possible non-use was from 1997, when the W3C said its initial introduction was "arguable" since there was already the OBJECT tag: http://www.w3.org/TR...
- Mark Trapp
I think the conception that iframes are deprecated stems from the recently discovered security issue of "clickjacking" http://www.mydigg.in/2009... A lot of people are going to be moving away from using frames and resorting to "frame busting" techniques which are going to be included as a meta tag declaration in the next update of most major browsers.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Thanks, this is really helpful and definitely looks better than that old delicious feed on my blog. Check it out: http://blog.scott.willeke.com
- scott willeke
Julia Dales Amazing Beatbox http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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MicahBear78, Fidel_henderson, Roldano and 6 other people liked this
And she did just that http://www.beatboxbattle.com/magazin...
- dthree
Fwd: new blog post live and attracting comments: http://www.ourbrisbane.com/blogs... on #theatre and #writing and if/when you should stop trying. (via http://friendfeed.com/katheri...)
Andrew Eglinton liked this
I'd respond directly if I could, but I have technical problems with the site. I would respond that theatre does not get more script development resources thrown at it, as one commenter suggests. I do absolutely agree that undercooked script work on stage is all too horribly evident all too often in new work. Can you make a silk-purse from a sow's ear?
- Kate Foy
Thanks Kate - for posting link and for your comment. Do you want me to add it to the site?
- Katherine Lyall-Watson
I think you can make a silk purse from a sow's ear - if you're prepared to be ruthless. The ear needs to be chopped off, 99% of it thrown away and the 1% that has a kernel of truth/magic/interest needs to be brought to life and turned into the story. In writing we say that you have to kill your darlings. Some writers are too protective of their darlings and their plays suffer because of it.
- Katherine Lyall-Watson
Katherine, I agree. In any art form 'killing your darlings' can be good advice. I recall Alec Guinness in one of his rare interviews suggesting as much about acting. Anything that 'stood out' had to be ruthlessly pruned away. He was a self-confessed minimalist in his work, but it's true. And as that other man of the theatre and a playwright, Oscar Wilde noted: 'Nothing exceeds like excess.' (It must have been Wilde!) :-) PS No, don't add my comment to the site. I'll keep my counsel over here! Cheers.
- Kate Foy
It's a hard thing to do though (kill your darlings). As a writer I have to fight the urge to protect my creations - thereby ignoring good advice. What I've learnt to do is to try anything, get rid of anything or any character, safe in the knowledge that I have the last draft to fall back on if it all goes horribly wrong. I keep the darlings I've cut safe in word docs and on USB sticks,...
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- Katherine Lyall-Watson
its a good blog kath, and when i have done other things I will probably compose something. I think the issue / resolve is 2 fold. We are not good at critiqueing each other - either because the person we are critiquing can't take it, or we are scared thay won't. Or in fact we actually don't know how to do that verses slam a piece of work... and this means that people wander around in...
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- The Lady Fray
For readers unfamiliar with the Brisbane new writing scene, would anyone be able to paint a brief picture of what the current situation is? I.e. (roughly speaking) how many producing houses are there, what sort of new writing schemes are there and who runs them (venues, companies, universities etc.), what position does new writing occupy in local government cultural policy? Do new writing scripts get published? What are the audience demographics for new writing?
- Andrew Eglinton
Andrew, this is a good question, and a timely one for those involved in the Brisbane theatre community to step back and audit what's what in the new writing scene. I will speak from the pov of the state theatre company, since I can do that with some authority. Firstly, Queensland Theatre Company is a statutory authority i.e., it was established by an Act of Parliament. Its charter is...
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- Kate Foy
Fantastic response Kate. Thanks very much for taking the time to cover this. Looking at the Queensland Theatre Company's programme it seems about 1/3 is devoted to local/national new work, 1/3 to classic texts and 1/3 to a mix of international or touring companies. Would that be representative of Brisbane's theatre culture as a whole or is that particular to QTC? Are you (and other...
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- Andrew Eglinton
Andrew, Queensland Theatre Company's mainstage programme is roughly as you indicate, although it doesn't host international touring companies. The 9-play mainstages annual season, includes company 'builds' i.e., its own productions, co-productions with other Australian companies, and hosted guest productions from other Australian companies. Some of these mainstage productions tour...
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- Kate Foy
Sorry, I meant international playwrights, and Australian touring companies.
- Andrew Eglinton
One more thing ... the UK 2012 Olympic Committee as the country's current major arts funder doesn't surprise me. When we hosted the Olympics in 2000 there were lots and lots and lots of opportunities and funds available for special projects designed to complement the Games, and presumably to give the many tourists something else to do when they got tired of waving flags.
- Kate Foy
There are some fabulous points made here. As an emerging playwright, I see the opportunities in Brisbane a bit differently... La Boite is our only other professional company (alongside QTC) and has a history of producing new work, but that is changing. In the past, we could look at about 4 professional productions of new, local work a year. 3 of these would be at La Boite and 1 at QTC....
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- Katherine Lyall-Watson
... and Katherine's work gets back to the economics of theatre production as well as the ecology of the theatre community. There are not sufficient funds from government, sponsors or box-office to assist in the development of new work; I'd suggest this is the case just about everywhere. It doesn't matter how high up the producing ladder you go, new work is very risky and absorbs huge...
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- Kate Foy
I'm just thinking about the budget for a new work. The going rate in Australia for a commission is $10,000. (Most of us work for substantially less, sigh.) For that, you get three drafts - supposedly. The piece I've just finished has had 8 drafts and two creative developments (where I attended but wasn't paid). It was also selected for a national script workshop, where I worked for a...
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- Katherine Lyall-Watson
With apologies to every playwright out there, can I say that a brand-new play delivered to a professional company may be rehearsal-ready, but it's never performance-ready ... and it's in the getting to this stage that so much of the production resourcing I referred to above ... begins to require funding. Whether or not it has gone through readings, workshopping and development prior to...
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- Kate Foy
Just wondering, is there a transfer system in Brisbane? I.e. Shifting productions from small to larger stages? ... ... ... The term 'product' has been used multiple times in this thread. In the case of cinema, terms such as 'industry', 'product', 'box office revenue' etc seem to be more readily accepted. There is a part of the film industry (clearly I mean Hollywood) that seems to fit...
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- Andrew Eglinton
Andrew, interesting point re theatre's being 'fraught with tension' in its relationship with establishment funding bodies. There's no doubt that there has been a whiff of this in some public sentiment (and reflected in comment here and elsewhere) regarding funding of 'alternative' or 'independent' theatre in Brisbane, compared with (say) the state theatre company and other companies...
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- Kate Foy
I was thinking along the same lines as you re transfer system, from fringe to off/West End.
- Andrew Eglinton
New technology supercharges debate on public domain - Los Angeles Times - http://www.latimes.com/news...
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NOAA's July Oceans Report: Bad News for World Climate - http://lighterfootstep.com/2009...
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NOAA's July oceans report confirms the onset of El Niño -- and the prospect of wildfires in Australia and SE Asia. Meanwhile, summer sea ice levels approach the record lows of 2007.
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Kudos for the real-time search, pity it's completely useless as it is now. And: how to make it useful.
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Similar to electromagnetic radiation and its tiny subset the visible spectrum, the frequency of updates in a search, when viewed in the browser, is only useful for a very limited spectrum of update frequencies. If there are more than an update per second (such as when you look at http://friendfeed.com/search...), you don't get any benefit out of it being real time - you can even guess at the volume of items coming in better by looking at timestamps. On the other hand, if the updates are less than x (depending on person) per minute, there is no point in sitting and looking at them unfolding - you'll be doing other things and coming back anyway. For trending topics, you get the deluge - and for most others (which, I suspect, make the majority), the web page is the wrong approach. From a usability standpoint, and referencing the consciousness vs. memory in search debate, Friendfeed currently doesn't have the interface to let us integrate the stream of "consciousness" for a required topic.
- Goran Zec
Or, doesn't it? There's always IM - it's perfect for this job. You specify your searches (such as the scientist looking for http://friendfeed.com/search...) and just let it flow. It doesn't matter how slowly that particular search flows, you don't have to invent ways to get notified - they're already integrated in your IM client. So, I propose: let the users follow...
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- Goran Zec
it all depends what you're trying to find - if there's too much coming through then pause & read the 'nearly up-to-date' news or add more search terms to focus on the bits you prefer? Too slow, then add or clauses to expand what you're watching ... bit scary example: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- immaterial
ps: *hugs* to FF staff - awesome
- immaterial
My point is, you get "nearly up-to-date" by simply doing the search, no need for it to update continuously. But with IM for searches which are not frequently updated, real-time makes a lot of sense.
- Goran Zec
I would also like to extend hugs to the aforementioned staff. I love how you can't tell staff apart from users here - they're really wallowing in their own dog food.
- Goran Zec
RT search in FF seems to have been implemented primarily to show the rest of the soc-med-blogosphere –which now embeds it to trump its own egos– that FF indeed rules, "Syphilis" 'n all. Perhaps it will become more usable with time, when FF matures and [edit: adapts] page layouts of the various list it renders (Home, My discussions, DM, Best of…, and now RT Search) to suit the various...
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- ianf ⌘
ianf - Could it be that we are not yet culturally versed in RT reading? An adaptation period is required.
- Andrew Eglinton
Culture is an all-too vague a term. I don't know about genetics, but, spoken as one-time close reader of The Journal of the Human Factors and Ergonomics Society, I know for sure that, as a genus, we are nowhere near wired for realtime processing of textual information at such pace. We are pretty well wired for keeping track of multiple large, discrete-size baboons foraging on the...
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- ianf ⌘
Many searches result in fewer than one update per second, especially using advanced search operators.
- Mike Chelen
Mike, exactly. The most useful ones for me would only ping me via IM three or four times a day. That would be lovely, is what I'm saying.
- Goran Zec
Goran: yeah, im notifications for searches would be nice
- Mike Chelen
Goran clearly observed that RT searches are largely useless, because, in order to read/ follow/ make use of them –at any, even glacial pace– we are required to stare at the screen to detect changes. In effect it makes us slaves of that technology that we were supposed to be masters of. This highfalutin enough a conclusion for y'all, or would you like me to get all-philosophickal?
- ianf ⌘
ianf ⌘: the realtime searches are convenient when switching through multiple tabs
- Mike Chelen
Mike, convenient, how? I don't dispute its theoretical usefulness. But if you put an RT search in a tab, then cover it with something else, and then come back to it, how do you know something of importance hasn't passed you by anyway? How would periodical revisiting an RT-tab be different from occasionally invoking a Saved [static but fresh the very instance] Search with the same terms?
- ianf ⌘
ianf - "We are pretty well wired for keeping track of multiple large, discrete-size baboons foraging on the horizon, and sabre-tooth cats of any size lurking in trees", I see no difference. If it's a matter of survival, real time text will not be the end of us.
- Andrew Eglinton
Andrew, I'm no longer sure of what we're talking about - so, to come back to the topic in question: the usefulness of realtime search, I colloquially maintain that it is more of "a problem" than "a solution." If anything because such potentially constantly piling-up output method contributes to, rather than nullifies, the build-up of what can only be called our everyday Constant...
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- ianf ⌘
I'm not sure I fully understand Goran Zec, but don't Peoplebrowsr parallel search stacks already provide some of the useful interface for RT search that he describes?
- Sean McBride
Thanks for all the feedback guys! Your opinions are much appreciated and I've jotted down all the key points on our suggestions list. Thanks again!
- Ross Miller
I really like the new "suchandsuch has subscribed to your FriendFeed" emails, but it would be nice to have some indication of _why_ they subscribed. I think asking people to say would be too much work (I know I wouldn't do that), but it would be nice to see, in the email, the entries of yours they've commented on or liked
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...or the entries that both you and they have commented on or liked.
- Andy Bakun
Thanks for the suggestion Andy!
- Ross Miller
I asked for this some time ago. I'd love to have the option of adding a comment when I subscribe to someone so I can tell them what I like about their feed.
- Jason Huebel
An optional message would be great. Facebook has this for example.
- Kol Tregaskes
I am subscribing to you since you are the one person out of about 50+ in one comment section who recognizes celebrities are fabrications. You said "meaningless."
- Marg Uerite
@Ross ..Sir, would you prefer to have a notion of "Friendfeed Team" to your signature appended ?
- Petr Buben
A few things that really bug me about friendfeed. Firstly, why is the entire history not accessible through the web interface? I can find the really old stuff by searching, but going through older pages hits an invisible boundary pretty soon. Secondly, I want to be able to export the entire account (links, mine and others' likes and comments).
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So long as there is no full account export to XML, I'll use del.icio.us as the more serious bookmark storage. And once the Wave hits, it'll probably suck up a large part of conversations... I think full account export is in FF's best interest.
- Goran Zec
Ummm ... don't really think FriendFeed was designed for bookmark storage anyway
- LANjackal
That's beside the point. Whatever it is designed for, users should be able to export their data. The presence or absence of this feature significantly changes how I feel about the service.
- Goran Zec
What I'm saying is, FF wants me to have my data, whether it knows it at the moment or not.
- Goran Zec
You do understand FF is pulling data from other sites. Its like a hub for all your web activity.
- Joshua
FriendFeed exposes ATOM feeds for almost anything (users, groups, searches), and they have an API also (http://friendfeed.com/api/). So there is a way you can get your data out of FF.
- Ivan Zuzak
Yes, but that's most recent entries. I want to be able to get the entire history.
- Goran Zec
Im pretty sure FF has no control over that, because FF is pulling RSS/ATOM feeds its up to the other sites on how much data is shown. Just like Twitter's RSS only holds onto the last 20 items.
- Joshua
By advanced search function you can reach all your data (but not export), also the oldest
- Roberto
any page has an associated feed, even search filters and DM... so as a backup measure I have been feeding the Google Reader. A side-effect is that the content become Google searchable. For really important items, one can add personal notes via the Reader, and there is the option to create a publicly shared feed. The upper limit on storage capacity is not very clear, but it's fairly huge ;-)
- Adriano
Goran, you are only able to go back a certain amount of pages because it eases the strain on FF's systems. This was actually doubled a few months ago, so it might increase over time. Ideally time/date search operators would be most welcome to combat this.
- Kol Tregaskes
Export would be awesome. Yes, I know FF is an aggregator - and I don't care. It would be awesome regardless.
- Tamar Weinberg
Goran, your requests are fully justified, and the absence of those features –native catalog and export– reflects a totally inexplicable side of the FF (the back-end, not the team). I suspect they haven't been implemented –yet, if ever– because for some unknown reason they weren't designed in from the start. FF is not just an aggregator of outside content, it is also a social networking...
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- ianf ⌘
I think you're perfectly justified in wanting this feature and I see where it would be useful, but I don't see why FriendFeed has to implement it, especially if it will cause a huge strain on resources. I'm pretty sure you can get at all your stuff via the API anyway. Point being, asking for this feature is like almost like asking Google to have an export feature for the entire web. I don't think most of the content on FF originated from FF.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Some very interesting points here and a crucial thread for FF staff. The discussion seems to hinge on the broader issue of memory vs consciusness in real-time search. I'd like to know whether all content submitted to FF is indexed and therefore searchable - or - if there is a system of 'triage' then what are the criteria for content inclusion/exclusion?
- Andrew Eglinton
Rahsheen - I don't want export of what's behind the links. Just the titles, link, comments and likes - those are definitely from FF. And I don't say FriendFeed HAS to implement it - it's a free meal and I'll eat what's on the table. Someone else will perhaps bring their own potatoes by exporting the feeds into Google Reader or Gmail via Jabber for indexing and safekeeping. I'm just saying that this feature would in my eyes make FF a much better restaurant. If that makes sense.
- Goran Zec
"Huge drain on resources" is a matter of design and implementation, not endemic to functionality. And the Google-web-export analogy is misplaced, we're merely asking for a searchable, compact index and an opportunity to export our own native contributions to FF, and traces of (catalog entries) of what we've imported from elsewhere. [Amend: anyway, here's Rob McBrides view of what FF appears to be: <http://prezi.com/107051...> ]
- ianf ⌘
ianf - what function would the exported data serve? Ownership? Posterity? [Edit - liking Rob McBride's presentation - many thanks for the link]
- Andrew Eglinton
Andrew Eglinton - I'd like to index it myself, play with extracting keywords, add on del.icio.us tags and make some tagclouds. Perhaps graph it a bit? Anyway, "you don't need it" is a really patronizing non-argument.
- Goran Zec
I think the search could do with a little more fine tuning, or options to always exclude certain words/phrases within a given context. It makes searches for posts that I haven't seen that are either directed to me, or mention me that I haven't seen previously awkward/tricky, without also seeing a load of junk about frozen chicken, Z-list "sport stars", boxing and a ton of other unrelated stuff...
- Tyson Key
Goran - I don't recall saying "you don't need it" (if indeed that insinuation is directed at me), I was simply thinking about the implications and possible applications of an exported FF data stream.
- Andrew Eglinton
Tyson - exactly. Regular expressions when searching would be really nice. Croatian, for instance, is nearly unsearchable without them, we have noun inflections and verb conjugations which modify words.
- Goran Zec
Andrew - yes, sorry, I seem to have grossly misused quote marks.
- Goran Zec
Andrew: export for offline backup and, as Goran already said, "playing with it." Compact cataloging for overview and review - I see that in 10 weeks' time on FF I've written well over 2200 items, mainly comments. How on Earth am I supposed to remember what I wrote, if I can not periodically revisit/ review past conversations? How am I supposed to know what I wrote in 2 years' time. FFs...
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- ianf ⌘
I'm all for making FF-search even better, but let's not mix that into this two-headed request. Because, in order to search anything you need to come up with suitable keywords and key-combinations. Only, how do you do that when you can not remember either the title, unique keys, or even when the discussion has taken place? (and FF search is particularly unintelligent when it comes to...
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- ianf ⌘
ianf ⌘ - nothing wrong with posterity or ownership, on the contrary. I'm not sure why both Goran and yourself took my question in a negative light. The intention was entirely progressive. I completely agree with you that keeping track of 2200 entries without a comprehensive filtration system is self defeating. But isn't' this part of the '140 character' dilemma? Amplification of...
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- Andrew Eglinton
Andrew, that seems to me like a complete different question. Exported data is not part of the that particular equation. It's just a nice courtesy extended towards users, in my view completely orthogonal to the entire signal/noise and memory/consciousness problem.
- Goran Zec
Andrew, Goran mixed your up with someone else; I didn't take it up in any negative light (and of what wavelength would that be, I wonder?) That said, I'm with Goran on that, the basic functionality. Your "memory vs consciusness in real-time search" is on another plane/ of different domain entirely; a philosphical query to our strictly-utilitarian one (two, actually ;-))
- ianf ⌘
Goran, ianf - point taken. Apologies for digression. The suggestion of memory vs consciousness was in reference to this recent TechCrunch article. I should have posted the link above, here it is now http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... it seemed related to the way FF deals with search.
- Andrew Eglinton
If the available history were unlimited, would this satisfy the needs of data export?
- Mike Chelen
Mike, at some point any compound/ cumulative history tends to become unmanageable and difficult to navigate besides. So, clearly, to be of use, such a catalog (or index, or simply a list) needs special handling in order to scale well, and scale unobtrusively. Properly done, it shouldn't matter whether it holds 500 or 50.000 records - all should be equally easy and fast to reach with...
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- ianf ⌘
I second this. Export of user data ought to be among the top priorities, just in case the service goes bankrupt. One ought to be able to export everything in a zip-file for one's archives and potential future data mining, if one so wishes. Better yet, I'd like to see not just FriendFeed but all other proprietary "cloud" services adopt free licensing which would make it possible to build...
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- Morten Blaabjerg
Sure, Morten, but do observe that data portability is a potential threat to all the services that need to keep "eyeballs" on their own sites, not first and foremost think about end-users' benefit. Nor is it an idle threat - suppose tomorrow a better WebMousetrap™ comes along, something nobody thought of but everybody loves instantly - and it ACCEPTS XML-formated data imports from other...
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- ianf ⌘
Sure, no. of eyeballs were _the_ (information industry) business model of the 20th century. Not so of the 21st. What matters is if you can solve your customer's problem. Then you can create value. There's no lasting value in "trapping" user's data "Flickr style". What good do I get from that? Not listening to your customers needs equals no value for the customer and no business model...
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- Morten Blaabjerg
Ianf, btw when you use the expression "it's content" it opens up the whole can of worms on the discussion of "ownership" of which I am confident we have not seen the last. That's why I propose and always put open licensing first, because that is the genious stroke, which clears that up and enables others to freely plugin to the project and help make it valuable. Then it becomes not "their project" but "our project" and that's where we need to be IMHO to act freely in our digitial environment.
- Morten Blaabjerg
I second what Morten said. I don't think data export would threaten FF in any way. And I do think that, if a service is threatened by offering such a feature, it has already failed.
- Goran Zec
In ethical terms data export makes complete sense. What are we talking about on the tech side to achieve this? What sort of resources would be required? How difficult a proposition would this be to implement without fatal server stress and FF bankruptcy?
- Andrew Eglinton
It's not technically difficult, no more so than building in any other component which offers a way to retrieve and deal with data in particular ways. On http://23hq.com which is an image service I use, I can export all my photos or single folders in a zip file very easily. Very convenient if I want to take some images with me on the go. Just an example to show that there are many...
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- Morten Blaabjerg
Morten - thanks for the clarification. Incidently, have any FF admins responded to this thread? That's another issue with FF in general, it's difficult to discern who's part of the FF team. Would be great to have some form of visual marker for that.
- Andrew Eglinton
Morten, you speak of some "lasting value" as if that was some absolute given. First, we really don't know what FFeeders have for long-term goals, and whether your lasting value is of value, or dovetails with their market strategy. Perhaps it does, maybe it doesn't. Also, may I remind you, they already are players in that battle for our data-cloud souls (if you'll pardon my metaphors,...
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- ianf ⌘
Morten, Goran, on the subject of JUST WHOSE CONTENT IT IS ANYWAY – all I can say you're in the wrong place. Quoting ToS: [4.] Intellectual Property (Trademarks & Copyrights) […] FriendFeed-originated content included on the Site, such as text, graphics, logos, software and the compilation of all content on the Site, is the property of FriendFeed and its licensors and protected by United...
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- ianf ⌘
Don't worry, Andrew, you'll soon get the drift of who's who around here (the founders tend to go by their first names, and, besides, they present themselves in the <http://blog.friendfeed.com/>). But if I were you, I'd abstain from asking rhetorical tech questions in earnest ["What sort of resources would be required? How difficult a proposition would this be to implement without fatal...
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- ianf ⌘
ianf - clearly, when I mentioned the discussion of ownership above I wasn't talking about FriendFeed's logo - I'm pointing to the mounting grey zone of ownership which is developing in the the tweets, sms'es, "posted items", "embedded items" and countless other types of material which even now floats around between different platforms. How can you own a conversation? So I can't see I'm...
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- Morten Blaabjerg
As for whether I or someone else can do it for ourselves, it is out of the box. As I said, already now you can aggregate a lot of! stuff speedily and conveniently with a simple wordpress install. And many people do. If you put something like BuddyPress on top you can make it into something which looks or works like Facebook or FriendFeed. If you so like. Scalability is another matter,...
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- Morten Blaabjerg
Yes, Morten, we can all dream, but they're not telling. And what makes you assume they'd "want to bring a lot of talented folks into the project?" FF isn't lacking in talent, and "a lot of folks" takes time and effort to manage… why would they go that route (they all come from Google/Gmail, and now have a tight few-people organization of proven abilities, why fix what aint broken). As...
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- ianf ⌘
As for business models and what "lasting value" is - you get an idea if people are craving for your product when you tell them about it, or if they don't care. If they care and want to buy it, your product probably solves some compelling problem they have, if they don't care, your product most likely doesn't. Value proposition in other words, what does your product have, that makes people willing to buy it?
- Morten Blaabjerg
ps. gotta run, but… "FriendFeed-originated content included on the Site, such as text, […] and the compilation of all content on the Site is the property of FriendFeed" isn't clear enough for you? I am sure this wasn't there when I joined three months ago, or else I'd have walked away.
- ianf ⌘
These are all valid mercantile-philosophical questions, but in what sense does such a discussion bring us closer to the goal of having native FF data portability and history/overview?
- ianf ⌘
ianf, you're actually right, I do have an assumption and that is that talent is _the_ scarce ressource of any startup. Maybe FF has enough of it. If so, they could care less. But I doubt it, if they want to grow and be bigger too. As for the clarity of your quote it says nothing about the ownership of users' data - it's just standard legal stuff for claiming ownership to the logo, stylesheet and built in texts. Stuff I post originate from me.
- Morten Blaabjerg
No idea. @Ian, you asked for it, because you said I spoke about "lasting value" as an ideal :-) It is not. It is a very practical thing, as in a product which creates lasting value because it solves a real, unsolved, lasting problem.
- Morten Blaabjerg
As far as data exportation goes, what about looking at what last.fm and Wakoopa are doing? Not sure how much last.fm lets you take away now, but you could get a copy of all the submissions you ever made in a number of different file and data formats, a while ago, and with Wakoopa you can at least get APML and HTML data out of them...
- Tyson Key
For what it's worth, Chi.MP doesn't seem to have a problem with letting people export their data en masse, although I don't know if there's anything specific in their infrastructure to accommodate for dumping and archiving vast amounts of data for export.
- Tyson Key
Yes, and StarTrek: Beyond Event Horizon is full of such sweet full data-portability moments.
- ianf ⌘
a very fast solution...
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Thanks Davide. I like it. Only trouble is the FF icons get reduced to 75x75 pixels...
- Andrew Eglinton
I try to reduce it
- Davide Schinaia
Thanks.
- Andrew Eglinton
DO US ALL A FAVOR... Look at your list of groups on the right side of your FriendFeed page and copy the link locations of every group you absolutely LOVE and list them in the comments within this thread. And if one of your fave groups turns out to be one you created yourself, go ahead and share it!
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World Theatre http://friendfeed.com/worldth...
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building43 http://friendfeed.com/buildin...
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Creative Design http://friendfeed.com/creativ... ART ROOM http://friendfeed.com/art-room Ideas And Inspiration http://friendfeed.com/ideas-i...
- Brad Williamson
This is great! We all need some fresh groups to join. Thanks for sharing, everyone! Keep'm coming...
- Brad Williamson
Apple Room, of course http://friendfeed.com/applero...
- Jason
Nottingham News - http://friendfeed.com/notting...
- Nick B.
You're right, Nick. That Nottingham News REALLY IS a fascinating group.
- Brad Williamson
Home Theater https://friendfeed.com/home-th...
- Alex Scoble
Dow Jones Guessing Game https://friendfeed.com/dow-gue...
- Alex Scoble
Streetart: http://friendfeed.com/street-...
- Opensource Obscure
Architectural & Interior Design: http://friendfeed.com/isunix
- Opensource Obscure
All Things Google http://friendfeed.com/googleb...
- Lisa Tiyamiyu
Nokia News: http://friendfeed.com/nokiane... I'm admin, but it's coming along nicely.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Crime and mystery fiction http://friendfeed.com/crime-a.... Small numbers but great, and active, discussions by the real afficionados.
- Maxine
My music from Adelaide http://friendfeed.com/radiocu... chilled, ambient, lounge, acidy jazz - love to know what you think . . .
- Chris Loft
I put this one together to monitor severe weather when I was touring the mid-west in May. http://friendfeed.com/nick-b-...
- Nick B.
Foods, TechNews (self created aggregation of various tech sites)
- Kim Landwehr
Contemporary Art, Map Geeks. 3D Printing
- Cea
I'll go ahead and throw out there the two groups I've created... Media News & Analysis http://friendfeed.com/media-n... and Arts & Culture http://friendfeed.com/arts-an...
- Brad Williamson
I've created a feed for feedbooks.com which serves free, public-domain ebooks in various formats: http://friendfeed.com/feedboo...
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Impossible to Avoid -- http://friendfeed.com/impossi...
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Noises off: Does the artistic process inspire conflict or collaboration? | Chris Wilkinson | Stage | guardian.co.uk - http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage...
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I found this link to a series of comments by artistic collaborators to be intriguing, and I recommend it to you. We take it for granted in theatre, 'the most social of art forms' that collaboration is the name of the game. We talk of directors 'providing a space and the atmosphere' for creativity etc., etc., and take it for granted that our voices will be heard in the process .... but it doesn't always work out that way. Time and egos can co-conspire to wreck what we hold dear. I've experienced this myself when a playwright (who shall remain anonymous even though he has passed on) had to be excluded from the rehearsal room. And it was the actors who asked that this happen.
- Kate Foy
Theatre need collaboration but also need conflict. In my experience collaboration obtained working on conflict, spread a better work.
- Davide Schinaia
@Kate. This reminds me of a previous thread on a 'theatre of transparency' where part of the premise was to bring all participants in the production process out of the woodwork to become part of the creative whole. Another 'umbrella' term I'm seeing with younger companies is 'creatives' under which falls the playwright, director, actors, designers as distinguished from the 'crew' which...
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- Andrew Eglinton
Good morning! Just caught up with the chat you've been having on this. @Andrew I do understand where you are going with this. The term 'creatives' is being used increasingly here in Australia with reference to the production team. It's one that's well-understood and long-overdue. As to technology as performance, you're right in the need to acknowledge the flexibility of new 'creative'...
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- Kate Foy
Collaborative Opportunity: How do you systemize your social media practice for business purposes? http://www.jasoncronkhite.com/social-...
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Well posed and timely question Jason. Seeing anonymous links from people I have yet to converse with has very little impact. I can say with confidence what makes my interactions valuable in any social media environment. Responding to those who ask questions, offering information and assistance when and where I can, gives me a great start in developing trust with new folks. It also shows...
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- Mark Essel
I agree Mark and glad I asked the question. So you're saying it's a thing with leadership basically? If social media is not championed from the top it will be that much harder for a business to adapt before it can even consider systemizing process. I can certainly agree with that. Ok, but how do you practice SM on a weekly basis and what tools do you find have the best business...
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- Jason Cronkhite
This is a wonderful topic Jason and one I am intensely interested in. Please keep me in the loop RE a collaborative document. I think the 1st step is to have clients adopt the meta concepts; "we are media", no more broadcast, lead don't push. 2nd step have clients realise Market Understanding precedes Market Leadership (tip of hat to @Ed_Dale) i.e. First seek to understand then to be...
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- Deano @ Byron New Media
Great feedback Dean. I'll respond in depth after I get back from my Dairy Queen run :).
- Jason Cronkhite
Thx @JasonCronkite looking forward to the unfolding conversation for systemizing Social Media Practice for Business.
- Deano @ Byron New Media
@Dean: So here's a point that I think many of who are pretty versed in the various technologies tend to forget that we need to break things down fundamentally like you've illustrated in you points above. I think this also correlates to the point @Mark made and I deduced that leadership adoption of the meta concept of "we are media" and being properly educated to develop leadership...
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- Jason Cronkhite
This video speaks to the power of why businesses and organizations need to understand adopt Social Media practices :: Clay Shirky on Social Media @ TED http://bit.ly/iUbw8
- Jason Cronkhite
The Shirky video is a cracker http://bit.ly/iUbw8 shared it last night @JasonCronkhite I guess my perspective is biased by the fact 95% of my clients have been very Small Business (1- 5 Employees) and Small NGO's (less than 30 employees) I have worked for State Govt agencies (let's not go there). I have found it difficult to get businesses to tool up so to speak to the level of tactical...
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- Deano @ Byron New Media
I might be repeating myself. If this discussion delivered exactly what you intended what would the result look like. I have learnt a lot from @Jason and @Mark already.
- Deano @ Byron New Media
@Dean, understand the small biz and govt. agency scenarios, it does require a lot of education but, in that is where you become very valuable. What was my intended result? To have a conversation about this subject matter and begin to develop a framework to help folks like you and I and more importantly businesses come to and understanding of how to really practice and benefit from using...
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- Jason Cronkhite
@Jason Well if I can offer something to the conversation I would be very interested. I would be definitely interested in the resulting framework.
- Deano @ Byron New Media
@Dean, well let's get started with an outline and see who else jumps in and wants to contribute. We could easily start with a google group and shared document.
- Jason Cronkhite
@Jason lead the way private/semi private friendfeed group, google doc, google group whatever you decide. My email is byronnewmedia [at] gmail dot com
- Deano @ Byron New Media
@Dean, emailed you the Google doc access. If anyone else wants to jump in - send me an email jason {at} jasoncronkhite dot com and I'll get you in. Dean has capability to get you in too.
- Jason Cronkhite
Thanks Jason, I'll jump in directly
- Deano @ Byron New Media
@Jason & @Dean I'm interested in collaborating, but I can't promise a lot of time (you can see my windows of opportunity can be pretty far apart by this reply).
- Mark Essel
@Jason, in regards to your question "how do you practice SM on a weekly basis and what tools do you find have the best business cases/uses": I check in to the SM I engage in between once every day and several times a day (email, twitter, friendfeed). After logging in I check for direct replies/messages. Then in twitter or friendfeed I'll look to my "superhumanfilter" list. This is a...
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- Mark Essel
As I was writing up a post for today, I came across some of my earlier articles that help answer this question with some additional information. Marketing is going to enable you to connect with your audience. http://www.victusspiritus.com/2009... In addition social media will allow you to learn about the surface of the community you are forming. http://www.victusspiritus.com/2009...
- Mark Essel
Holy crap Mark reading your blog post http://www.victusspiritus.com/2009... with interest makes me realise what a can of worms we @JasonCronkite has opened here. He started a tactical angle here, I tried to make a case for leadership mindset and awareness. You introduce evolvution of hardware or pipies at least. Suddenly I feel we are in deep water What does a Social Media strategy look like again?
- Deano @ Byron New Media
@Mark & Dean, I will have detailed look at things later. Mark, please either DM me your email or leave it here so we can open up the google doc for you.
- Jason Cronkhite
sure my email is messel at gmail.com
- Mark Essel
I'd like to be an uneducated lurker or a recipient of the end product. :-)
- Molly
@Jason @Mark I haven't touched the google yet but that is coming. Just came across this post which articulates a step I teach clients. Building a network of touch points for Natural Link Profile and a Web of Brand Entry Points.
- Deano @ Byron New Media
@Jason I haven't gotten an email about the google doc yet, should I have? also released another post today along the same guidelines, Monetization for Web2010. It's up in building43
- Mark Essel
@jason @mark have updated google doc with a framework I have been using for a Client facing Social Media Strategy.
- Deano @ Byron New Media
This is probably a little deeper that I was thinking but enlightening nonetheless. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Deano @ Byron New Media
A blog post on the challenge (and opportunity) of dealing wth gaps in Shakespeare's scripts -- Problem + optimism = opportunity - http://www.krisjoseph.ca/2009...
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Interesting post. Have you read anything on the Stephen Greenblatt-led 'Cardenio Project'? It's an intercultural theatre experiment testing Greenblatt's notion of 'cultural mobility' through a series of productions that reconstruct one of Shakespeare's so-called 'lost plays'. There were versions in the US, Japan, India and other places too. See the NY Times coverage of the project here: http://www.nytimes.com/2008...
- Andrew Eglinton
*Sigh* to be a Shakespeare scholar of Greenblatt's stature and gain a $1.5 million grant to research/rewrite a version of a lost play. Doesn't get much better than that. I am interested in his theories of cultural mobility, however ... wonder whether this is another taken on 'artistic universality'? I suspect Greenblatt's background in 'new historicism' makes for something a little more sophisticated.
- Kate Foy
@Scobleizer and the Building43 crew, I would love a how to section on the blog listing how to integrate what you have in your site.
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For instance, a tutorial on how to insert the Friend Feed windows on the Building43 comunity43 page.
- Robert Freeze
Perhaps also info on using Wordpress child themes; what I assume you are using with Thematic. Just some ideas...
- Robert Freeze
Robert, I have made two presentations that show you how to do this step-by-step (on an earlier FriendFeed version, but it is done almost in the same way): http://jeroendemiranda.wordpress.com/ : last two posts
- Jeroen De Miranda
Thanks Jeroen - I will take a look at it. I think it would be a good addition also to have it as part of Building43.com
- Robert Freeze
Jeroen - good information - What the folks at Building43 have done is a little more than the widget though - they have the feed real-time with the comment box. It's not as simple as plugging in the ready made widget code; it's also not the personal feed it is the group.
- Robert Freeze
I am interested in this as well @Scobleizer I hope this is something that you all can share and is not a "trade" secret because I am just getting a site together and would like to incorporate something similar to what you all have going on at Building43
- Nathan McClain
Robert, good point, thanks! I did include a live feed into a blog post recently - http://www.jeroendemiranda.com/friendf... - but not a complete room! Would be interested to learn how-to!
- Jeroen De Miranda
Good suggestion Mr. Freeze :)
- Jason Cronkhite
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Yes, this would be good to know.
- Andrew Eglinton
Just been reading the comments here - some great ideas!
- Jim Connolly
We are definitely going to do this and are expecting to open source the code as well.
- Robert Scoble
Cool, thanks Robert, and thanks for your efforts with Building43.
- Robert Freeze
In the meantime I have a simple friendfeed embedded version on my blog Robert (Freeze) if you need the javascript let me know
- Mark Essel
Mark Essel - I would love to have the code you used to get the building43 Friend Feed group on your site and what I would need to change to make it work for any group. Thanks - you can email me at robertfreeze@gmail.com
- Robert Freeze
We plan on doing just that - and including all of the code we use. Give us some time - we're still young :)
- Rob La Gesse
Thanks Mark for sending me the code. It works great, I plugged it on to my blog in place of the feed widget I was using before. Now I have a few other sites to plug it into.
- Robert Freeze
Mark Essel: Is it possible to make the code available for more folks? We are building out a new website for the San Francisco chapter of the American Marketing Association and would love to add this functionality to the site. My email: markevans99@gmail.com Thanks!
- Mark Evans
I am so keen on getting this code http://friendfeed.com/buildin... but was trying to be patient @RobFreeze any chance you could email it byronnewmedia@gmail.com Cheers Dean.
- Deano @ Byron New Media
Mark and Dean here is the code as I received it (hopefully this works with the line breaks): drag a text widget to a sidebar and the script call (thank Paul Buchheit and team for this support): <iframe src="http://friendfeed.com/robfree..." frameborder="0" height="800" width="275" style="border:1px solid #aaa"></iframe> <iframe src="http://friendfeed.com/buildin..." frameborder="0" height="800" width="275" style="border:1px solid #aaa"></iframe>
- Robert Freeze
Mark and Dean: I'll email it to you also since friend feed broke it up a bit and skewed the formating.
- Robert Freeze
Thanks again, Rob. It's looking good except I can't seem to expand the width of the frame, i.e., width="275". When changed to, say, 500 it doesn't change. Any ideas? Context: dropping the code into a single page on WP.
- Mark Evans
Mark, I changed the width to 470 and it worked fine for me (http://robertfreeze.com) I am not sure why it did not work for you - did you perhaps accidentally delete a " or some other character when changing the 275 to 500? Thats the kind of mistake I would make...
- Robert Freeze
Sorry I was late in getting back to you guys, thanks Robert Freeze for passing the code sample. Should definitely have this in a how to box on the site (@scobleizer).
- Mark Essel
No problem Mark - thank you for dishing it out in the first place.
- Robert Freeze
Robert, thanks for sharing the code; it works on my weblog too! www.jeroendemiranda.com (right side)
- Jeroen De Miranda
Robert - Check this out -> http://ff.im/3OV3X
- andy brudtkuhl
Great Idea Andy. Similar in purpose to pulling the comments from friend feed to a blog.
- Robert Freeze
Robert: So I was able to adjust the width of the frame when placing the code within a text widget, but not when inserting it into the body of a WordPress page. Which is what I need to figure out. Hmmm. It's such a great feature to have in a blog, hope I can figure it out.
- Mark Evans
I just tried the same and yes it did not size correctly - I am not much of a code guru - hopefully someone knows what needs to be changed.... anyone?
- Robert Freeze
This is the code we are trying to make work on a Wordpress page:
- Robert Freeze
<iframe src="http://friendfeed.com/buildin..." frameborder="0" height="800" width="275" style="border:1px solid #aaa"></iframe>
- Robert Freeze
Rob: Thanks for trying it out and posting the question.
- Mark Evans
Chiming in late, but here's a good post on how to use a WordPress child theme: http://themeshaper.com/wordpre... -- let me know if you have any specific questions about how we did this on building43
- Michelle McGinnis
I also posted the code we used for building43's FriendFeed embed here: http://www.building43.com/web-too...
- Michelle McGinnis
here is my example of using this type of embedding: http://www.jeroendemiranda.com/categor...
- Jeroen De Miranda
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