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Microsoft squeezed between Apple high-end & Google's free end of market http://daringfireball.net/2009... MSFT significant decline no longer if but when..
bullshit
- Steve Gillmor
lol. when is show starting? am i still banned?
- andrewkeen
totally
- Steve Gillmor
i'm only interested in appearing on shows that I'm banned from (g. marx)
- andrewkeen
feeble paraphrase but actually said by Harpo
- Steve Gillmor
Can Andrew be in the show if he promises to speak as much as Harpo, and we confiscate his car horn?
- Kevin Marks
he quit FF so I guess we'll never know. If Keen quits the forest, was he ever there?
- Steve Gillmor
Microsoft squeezed between Apple high-end & Google's free end of market http://daringfireball.net/2009... MSFT significant decline no longer if but when..
Jay Cuthrell liked this
also bullshit, only 5 minutes later from Facebook
- Steve Gillmor
Facebook always five minutes behind Twitter
- andrewkeen
must feel comfortable and familiar to you
- Steve Gillmor
ouch. lol.
- Karoli
no ouches on FF since nobody reads it
- andrewkeen
how has friendfeed hijacked my email?
- andrewkeen
Ah, but on FF when a subscribed entity comments/likes it shows in my stream as well. So, please... continue.
- Jay Cuthrell
Andrew, you're read here. This is where many of us read your Twitter and other updates.
- Louis Gray
I think Louis means that in a totally non-creepy way... I stopped going through Andrews garbage after we sorted out those alien abduction rumors earlier this year... and I'm feeling much better.
- Jay Cuthrell
Oh well... you scared him off folks. http://twitter.com/ajkeen...
- Jay Cuthrell
It's his shtick (wild guess)
- Jay Cuthrell
Timestamp: I'm going for a walk, and when I come back will measure how many people are still clueless about realtime
Denise Howell, Mark Hadley, Kol Tregaskes and 18 other people liked this
You're going to run out of fingers and toes
- paul mooney
Don't forget to count me!
- Dave Slusher
andrew keen is 1st
- Steve Gillmor
you mean i'm first to be clueless?
- andrewkeen
yes
- Steve Gillmor
Professional clueless
- paul mooney
:-)
- Johni Fisher
I'm in the cult of the amateur clueless
- Dave Slusher
Don't forget to take your real watch..
- Dale
Back: everybody is. thanks for playing.
- Steve Gillmor
oh gee. the one day I turn everything off because I'm trying to get work done that actually pays and you play this game. LOL
- Karoli
no, feldman is exempt
- Steve Gillmor
FF needs Like blocking capability
- Steve Gillmor
btw, I saw this on Facebook.
- Karoli
I hate Facebook.
- Nattjenta Moon
turns out Keen is the only one who doesn't get it. Guessed that, but data confirms it.
- Steve Gillmor
Natjenta, me too. was there to approve a friend request, steve's message was at the top of the news feed. LOL
- Karoli
The new Steve is cracking me up in real time.
- Louis Gray
I'm not in real time. I was at the Sonos event listening to music and saw this two hours after it was posted.
- Robert Scoble
Did someone delete some comments here? Demonstrates if you don't watch in real time you might miss all the fun. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
Is MaureenGate invented by La Dowd to retire gracefully from the Times? They need her more than she needs them. Power has shifted forever.
Aron Michalski liked this
Who knows, the paradigm shift is happening in many areas, not just print. 360 deals in music seem to be a false future for an industry without need for a 20th century middleman. It will be interesting to see how all artists handle their own promotion.
- Aron Michalski
from BuddyFeed
Dowd and Friedman should launch hostile take-over of Times.
- andrewkeen
Live now, The Gillmor Gang with Steve Gillmor, Robert Scoble, Loren Feldman, and Mike Arrington. http://live.twit.tv. Discuss here....
Michael Hansel, Daniel Rowley, Michelle McCormack and 45 other people liked this
I like this already
- Chris Heath
so topic guess anyone?
- Chris Heath
i'm not getting the sream, sux
- Marco
try ustream, or stickam marco
- Chris Heath
he has the three streams for a reason
- Chris Heath
Chris: Structure!
- Jason Hansen
thanks, i'm in now
- Marco
arrington appear very tired
- Rafael
rafael that is not arrington, that's andrew keene
- Chris Heath
arrington doesn't have a brit accent
- Chris Heath
arrington is the bold one right?
- Rafael
Those coton dogs are great little dogs. Aren't they in the Maltese family? They are a pretty rare breed.
- shelter watch
Hello Robert Scoble
- Chris Heath
Robert thanks for pushing Friendfeed I finally took the brass ring!
- earl wallace
Hi Y'all
- Allan Bunt
hahaha
- Rafael
Feldman ruining show. bloody jews
- andrewkeen
hi everyone
- Tina Chase Gillmor
and it begins
- Matthew
And this will be recorded so it can be seen later?
- Vezquex
haha! Tech-Boxing! :D
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
now i know who's everybody!
- Rafael
hey Tina
- Matthew
The chat is rocking and rolling!
- Robert Scoble
Loren FTW
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
This chat is cooler than the IRC
- Robert
hi Matthew
- Tina Chase Gillmor
now i'm getting Friendfeed. mmmnnn interesting
- andrewkeen
Robert, only drawback(for me) is that this doesn't have tab-complete for user names
- Chris Heath
arrington
- Rafael
James: Arrington
- Rafael
He stormed out.
- Vezquex
Chris: that would be a nice feature.
- Robert Scoble
the guy who just sat down is Michael Arrington
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Nice hat Arrington ;)
- David Damore
Yes it would be
- Chris Heath
He needs his Sombrero
- Robert
hahahah
- Rafael
in a sombrero!!!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Cool hat!
- Allan Bunt
Bill: we have decentralized moderation. If you spam or are an asshat I'll block you.
- Robert Scoble
why is the sky blue?: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input...
- Chris Heath
Bill: and you can block me.
- Robert Scoble
why is the sky blue? ^^
- Chris Heath
that site is damn slow
- Robert
Leo is good at summarizing things!
- Vezquex
it's getting hammered right now and they're still fixing a bug (but will have it sorted out soon)
- Chris Heath
As a student, I might find uses for this, with some work.
- Colin
read your article yesterday mike - I think you're expecting something that wolfram is not
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I missed the interview - hope to see the repeat overnight. - Joe Gilbert
- Joe Gilbert
I agree with arrington wolfram is not something I will use at any time..
- Rafael
rob, did you read the one today (not by mike) 'search wars' ?
- Chris Heath
You can get a personal version for $300.
- invariant
That's true Loren
- Rafael
I think that wolfram is liable to get fed more and more different types of data, and we'll see the value come up over time
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
rob, yes... some data is a bit old (using 2006 census numbers for populations instead of gov estimates for instance)
- Chris Heath
As they show at the video, wolfram is more a mathmatic search, thing like that or even historical facts
- Rafael
Why does Gillmor remind me of Dvorak? - Joe
- Joe Gilbert
WA does not show my life expectancy based on my name.
- Vezquex
I didn't see the search wars one...you said you linked it and that was the other one Chris
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Wow, IRC is too fast
- William
Leo! Talk about Twoogle. Twitter and Google search at the same time!
- Rafael
Why kyle?
- Rafael
I'm very interested to hear Mike Arrington's comments on what Dan Lyons had to say earlier this week, specifically about Techcrunch. I thought it was a little OTT. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media...
- Shéa Bennett
Joining late but what about FriendFeed and Twitter versus Google?
- caj
the one riot twitter search sounds very cool though
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I think its interesting, and you can compare results
- Rafael
scoble's right on this one
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
yeah rob
- Chris Heath
Tried to dial in, got silence on calliflower
- Kevin Marks
the wolfram alpha is going to become more and more important as it ramps up
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
google may be able to do it now that they are parsing rdfa and microformats
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Twoogle...that's funny....it is two different technology..isn't it??
- Zoran Vuletic
Hah...
- Colin
For real, no nonsense number crunching see @Wolfman_Alpha that other guy is just lame, crashed my Firefox, too... :-)
- Robert Morrison
Kevin - we noticed you were on and then tried to talk to you and then you were off
- Tina Chase Gillmor
<sniff sniff>
- caj
I think Wolfram Alpha will take the lead on Wikipedia information and especifics and scientifics search
- Rafael
can't be as bad as last week!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Really looked like Mike was into that convo from the start
- Robert
Call him back
- David Damore
it was an honest question IMO
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
We love you Mike, come back!
- Colin
we need the puppet arrington
- Vezquex
Twoogle, is a search who show results from google and twitter at the same page.
- Rafael
yeah mike, this drama stuff isn't really that interesting either tho
- Chris Heath
LOLing over here... heheheh
- David Damore
Arrington doesn't seem to add anything to the conversation.
- Hiro Asari
Mike - come back!
- Joe Gilbert
loren is a funny guy tho, and i like how he messes with mike
- Chris Heath
Geez -- this really is a waste of time
- Brian Sullivan
Brian: Waste of time?
- Rafael
I guess Mike had to take a nap.
- Glenn Trtanj
the one thing I love about Wolfram Alpha is a simple little link: "source information"
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
He looked like he needed a nap?
- caj
Mike: agreed.
- Robert Scoble
all them Mike, all them
- Rafael
Brian: that's the Gillmor Gang. We'll try to sprinkle some value in here.
- Robert Scoble
this is real time & solid.
- Vedran Agovic
I haven't seen that link yet myself Mike
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
excpet robert who runs on duracell batteries
- Rafael
the 'more' link in wolfram|alpha are cool too most of the time
- Chris Heath
probably already been asked, but where are the 2 previous Gangs?
- Jamie
Robert: I'm I wrong?
- Rafael
Robert, stop, your on TV!
- William
Watching now
- Sean Fretwell
Who's the guy behind you, Robert?
- Hiro Asari
Robert you're right
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
hiro, his son?
- Chris Heath
I think is his son
- Rafael
with a macbook
- Rafael
Microsoft just floated a 4Billion dollar bond issue for this very purpose
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Friendfeed is the target for a deal
- David Damore
This post is a perfect example of a real-time conversation on FF
- Costa Walcott
cricket
- Matthew
Rafael: thanks.
- Hiro Asari
Google already has a realtime feed for the New York Times - no?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
old school google. that's hilarious.
- Vezquex
Twoogle is a TOY by Google
- Zoran Vuletic
what about a business model how are they making money
- Sean Fretwell
Hiro: U're welcome, but I'm not sure, only Robert can answer you correctly ;)
- Rafael
in search engine terms google is kind of old, not the oldest, but one of the oldest still around
- Chris Heath
Chris: Old but not less important
- Rafael
i didn't say that
- Chris Heath
We cant compare Google to Wolfram Alpha, they are completely different, with a different focus
- Rafael
Speaking of "new" search engines, does anyone remember the one that sounded like "Curio", but a stupid spelling? What happened to it? (Well, don't answer; I know the answer.)
- Hiro Asari
cuil
- Chris Heath
dead
- Chris Heath
We have Knol as a search engine too
- Rafael
The Friendfeed search goes back further then search.Twitter
- David Damore
knol is a wiki competitor
- Chris Heath
huge jump....and I would think that twitter should see that as a threat
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Chris: Yes, that's the point. I think Wolfram gets a little bit of Wiki and Knol and puts together with a historical and scientific facts
- Rafael
the threads add signal and reduce noise
- Jamie
While still small Friendfeed is gaining lots of users from Twitter... the gap is narrowing.
- David Damore
*ahem http://threadedtweets.com Shameless self plug.
- Colin
sure does David...I had to search on FF for a tweet that I was looking for for an article today
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
What happened to Arrigton?
- Jason Hansen
rafael, the problem is that knol and wiki can't answer a problem for you, wolfram can
- Chris Heath
Arrington pouted.
- Hiro Asari
He left?
- Jason Hansen
Found that Hudson River crash pic in just a few searches .... Search.Twitter only went back 20 days
- David Damore
arrington can dish it out but can't take it it seems
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Chris: Thats the big point of Wolfram Alpha. Thats who will put him on the lead of knowledgement search!
- Rafael
yeah
- Chris Heath
Yo HOMIES
- ralphsaunders
The spam on Twitter Search is redonk
- David Damore
Arrington being like that will ultimately reflect TechCrunch.
- Jason Hansen
Twitter are working on search based on authority
- Jamie
Does anyone know of another service like http://www.whatthetrend.com/ - that gives you trends BUT ALSO gives you a summary explanation for each trend WITHOUT having to click through a bunch of tweets?
- Mike Bracco
Twitter will need a filter if they want to use advertising
- Sean Fretwell
exactly jason - but I can see that in the tone of arringtoms articles
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
i doubt they will use advertising
- ralphsaunders
It's funny how something like wolfram lost space for twitter and friendfeed haha
- Rafael
I think they will make their money via doing premium accounts
- ralphsaunders
what about money
- Sean Fretwell
its a pity no=one brings together all the data from all the small websearches... - Chunkmeister
- Chris Norman
interesting
- Sean Fretwell
And on Twitter search... even after a spam bot is blocked they still show up in search results... it is my understanding that on Friendfeed they are removed from your results if you block them out.
- David Damore
Yes Back to Search! :-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
they talked about Wolfram Alpha only 3 minutes, now the entire chat is discussing twitter and ff
- Rafael
I cant see how there would be any money in premium accounts.
- Jamie
Robert: Good one! Try to come back the search discuss
- Rafael
yeah, another Twitter & Friendfeed episode
- Matthew
If you don't have @ at the beginning you don't get the 'In reply to' shortcut
- Mike Doeff
I think Wolfram|Alpha is worth more than three minutes.
- Jason Hansen
can't get away from friendfeed and twitter great
- Sean Fretwell
Jason: Me too.
- Rafael
mike, that 'in reply to' thing is broken anyways... it doesn't always go to the correct tweet
- Chris Heath
unless you actually clicked a reply button
- Chris Heath
Twitter's technical problem is retarded. How is Friendfeed able to filter things in way more complicated ways?
- Vezquex
I think twitter and ff will be always the same story. Please bring back Wolfram Alpha conversation
- Rafael
I wonder if there's anything to talk about besides friendfeed and twitter
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Chris, it's pretty reliable if you respond using the reply icon on Twitter. Works that way on clients such as Tweetie too. Even if it's not the most recent tweet.
- Mike Doeff
Please guys! Forget about twitter and ff for a moment! Go back to search!
- Rafael
There is the "iPad" to talk about and if it is comming
- Sean Fretwell
+2 Rafael!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
One of our cats is meowing really loud
- Tina Chase Gillmor
NO!
- ralphsaunders
You can search your followings on Friendfeed
- David Damore
when was the last time gillmorgang was about something else than twitter? even wolframalpha can't keep their attention! :D
- Marcel Weiß
Guruvan: Thx!
- Rafael
Thats one really loud cat
- ralphsaunders
Mike Doeff, that's what i was saying - if you click that button it's the only way to make sure that the 'in reply to' link is correctly linked
- Chris Heath
Ads on the side of results
- David Damore
:-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Now we are back to search!
- Rafael
Search is all I want to talk about today
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Chris, agreed
- Mike Doeff
Friendfeed has lots of open space on the page to display ads for when they are bought or invested in as part of an alliance
- David Damore
Search is what's really huge - big enough that MSFT had a debt sale this week!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Loren? ROFL this should be good
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Robert: You are awesome!
- Rafael
dog
- Sean Fretwell
dead on robert!
- Chris Heath
hes right
- ralphsaunders
i heard a dog?
- Sean Fretwell
yeah a little dog haha
- Rafael
hell there seems to be a whole farmyard in there
- ralphsaunders
lol
- Sean Fretwell
I found a 2 month old tweet on FriendFeed this afternoon...peoplebrowsr timoreillly - and took me 1 search and a few seconds
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Twitter search is better for obscure topics. Things like Mumbai, earthquakes, Hudson plane crash are a mess
- Mike Doeff
steve doesn't want to talk about search, i guess...
- Chris Heath
I need to figure out how to set up a room/group/feed to get Twitter piping into FF.
- caj
I don't think Steve is right about this at ALL
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I think some of us know about search
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Talking about search is very interesting cause anyone have different opinions
- Rafael
agreed
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
does anyone think there will be in iPad
- Sean Fretwell
yeah rob, he just wants to steer the convo elsewhere... TRACK
- Chris Heath
mute steve
- Nick Rae
hahaha
- Rafael
Steve x Robert! Fight!
- Rafael
track!track!track! :-)
- Jamie
they wont fight
- ralphsaunders
iTunes
- Sean Fretwell
When it is up it should be on itunes
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
from IM
....much
- ralphsaunders
what about many to many steve?
- Chris Heath
just search for twitt
- Sean Fretwell
Steve is right here
- stanjourdan
Crossfire, geek style
- zephyrlily
on iTunes
- Sean Fretwell
ROTF
- Sean Fretwell
money is not just in search anymore
- stanjourdan
shut down google, twitter and all searches and go back to encyclopedia and books search! ahha just kidding
- Rafael
Sean, I haven't seen a new GG on iTunes since mid-April
- Mike Doeff
How did I know track was going to be mentioned
- Greg
FF is where its at yo
- ralphsaunders
TOO MUCH INFORMATION....
- Chris Norman
yes
- Sean Fretwell
scoble looks unhappy
- ralphsaunders
there is no overload information ;)
- stanjourdan
Swarming
- Mike Doeff
Like: Firefox banner on scoble room
- Rafael
me too wish i had one
- Sean Fretwell
yeah Steve, why aren't you updating itunes?
- zephyrlily
yeah
- Rafael
Scoble take lesson
- stanjourdan
weird the rest of the twit shows are there
- Sean Fretwell
Track? Is that coming back? Even with the fact they can't handle @replies?
- Rahsheen the Dream
steve's probably right about track here tho
- Chris Heath
blablabla
- Rafael
monitoring via twitter and facebook is a stopgap measure until everyone who generates data also generates metadata along with it
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Imagine if I leave a comment on ff about a piece of software I am working on. Within 2 minutes, 7 people join a conversation around my comment. Within 4 minutes, google's ad system understands the context and starts running adds that are relevent to our ad-hoc conversation. 30 seconds later, a freelance software consultant appears in our conversation, selling his services relevant to our topic. - that is the potential of realtime
- Robert
Mobile Scoble, update iTunes please
- zephyrlily
Yahoo Sideline is interesting Twittering monitoring tool: http://sideline.yahoo.com/
- Mike Bracco
Leo: Could you put all mic at the same volume?
- Rafael
I'm out
- Sean Fretwell
how far is FF from track
- Jamie
saved search + desktop notification?
- Jamie
FF might be only like a week away from track.
- Vezquex
how so?
- Jamie
Would someone define Track for me please?
- David Damore
Many pages update in real time, but not the search pages yet.
- Vezquex
so, super niche marketing??
- Matthew
admore: live search pumped anywhere (mostly to an im client)
- Chris Heath
there are some search pages that update in realtime
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
not google
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
look at tweetmeme
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
It isn't
- Colin
damn robert
- Jamie
admore: you choose your track terms and it just responds in real time when there's a hit
- Chris Heath
Isn't Twitter & FF... basically an IM client?
- Jason Hansen
Whoops, there goes Robert
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
from IM
admore: see twitterspy or identispy
- Chris Heath
so, it is like when a new result is posted... it gets pushed to me because I asked for it at some point in the past?
- David Damore
One thing this group has is a lack of respect and passion!
- Owen Greaves
David D, back when Twitter had track you could subscribe to multiple topics via IM - e.g. "track iphone" track your twitter username, etc. Tweets that have that text would show up in your IM in realtime. It was very very useful.
- Mike Doeff
I disagree Owen, especially on passion.
- Colin
@david damore: yep
- Hilary Talbot
FOOTBALL!!!
- Matthew
Gillmor Gang not passionate? WHAT?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I think the Superbowl is 50/50 ads game
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Tina where is last weeks show? will it not get released?
- Jamie
Kevin Thau from Twitter told me this about Track the other day: http://twitter.com/kevinth...
- Thomas James
watch tv for ads? That is so sad
- stanjourdan
How would one prevent from getting overwhelmed by responses? Why not set up and RSS search feed?
- David Damore
I said they HAD Passion and a lack of respect...read man!
- Owen Greaves
There's tons of ways to advertise based on twitter streams
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
you can do all kinds of behavioral targeting
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
David, with track you can respond in real time
- Vezquex
How does Twitter get money for the service they're providing?
- caj
Stan, anyone who works in marketing watches all ads.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
from IM
ahh..
- Tina Chase Gillmor
FILTERING IDEA: Twitter user goes to web service. User sets up specific hashtags on things they talk about on a serialized basis with a description. That way you have user + hashtag filtering options and can setup different notification options for each hashtag - on a user by user basis.
- Mike Bracco
if you get 10 responses a minute... how would you keep up?
- David Damore
Neal, everybody doesnt work in marketing!
- stanjourdan
I like talking to the companies I'm buying products from, it's like getting help from a sales Associate in a retail store, except its on the internet, and I'm much more interested in the products.
- Colin
Loren not drinking the realtime KoolAid
- Mike Doeff
Twitter gets people to investment in them.
- Vezquex
AH MAH GOD
- ralphsaunders
One at a time Please
- Matthew
*confused*
- ralphsaunders
Hashtags largest disadvantage is that is requires an active action on the part of the user. Too much effort for most people
- Robert
unfortunately I never saw Track in action... so it is hard for me to wrap my mind around it
- David Damore
they need more drinks
- Nick Rae
I agree with Loren, though I can see how some would benefit from real time info
- Glenn Trtanj
david think of Track like an IM bot
- Jamie
every time somebody tweeted a keyword of your choice, the IM bot would notify you
- Jamie
track is unbelievably valuable and it's a shame that it no longer exists
- Tina Chase Gillmor
This is like the TV-MA version of Cranky Geeks
- Chris
I think it does scale, because the conversation is public.
- Colin
they aren't preying on it
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I tracked the keyword "javascript" for about 2 months. Often the messages would be in Japanese, so it wasn't terribly useful.
- Vezquex
@Jamie: Thanks.
- David Damore
If track was back up, I would have running searches on my favorite enterprise software that I support. That way, I could jump into any conversation that developes around that stuff instantly, the moment is starts happening.
- Robert
I think robert is the only one of these guys that really gets advertising and marketing
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I do it for hte love, but think what a company could do with that. Like Scoble's examples
- Robert
back now that friendfeed is back too
- Rafael
Connecting buyers and sellers is important
- David Damore
I agree guruvan, they all seem to be offtrack.
- Colin
"What information consumes is rather obvious: it consumes the attention of its recipients. Hence, a wealth of information creates a poverty of attention and a need to allocate that attention efficiently among the overabundance of information sources that might consume it." Herbert Simon, recipient of Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics, and the A.M. Turing Award
- Mike Bracco
I cant believe that after so long, Keen still doesn't understand the concepts...
- Robert
Luna Park is an example of a restaurant in SF that gets how to market on Twitter... http://twitter.com/lunaparksf
- Mike Doeff
They're geeks, and most geeks don't seem to get the advertising
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Technology enables those two parties [buyers and sellers] to find each other faster.... saving time and money for everyone
- David Damore
hahahaha
- Rafael
lol
- stanjourdan
Keen takes 6 months generally
- Jamie
lots of buffering here
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Thanks Rafael!
- earl wallace
agree with Loren
- stanjourdan
Earl You're welcome
- Rafael
thanks for the Luna Park link
- Tina Chase Gillmor
he's right you can totally game twitter, and it's not any kind of a threat to ANY ONE
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
or they will pay to receive realtime search hits for complex queries - i.e. cannondale will get an realtime ping when someone types in "who can recommend a bike"
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
haha loren cracks me up. hes needed on the show
- Jamie
yw Tina
- Mike Doeff
Haha Loren's the best
- Costa Walcott
keyboard cat time?
- ralphsaunders
wheres leo
- Nick Rae
There is no compare there. Twitter against Google! HA!
- earl wallace
People thought Google was not a threat to early portals, that was the case was it not?
- David Damore
leo is hiding
- ralphsaunders
Is Google a Threat to Microsoft?... One might have said "NO" just a few years ago...
- David Damore
the "value" of twitter is the millions of people who are posting what they like, hate and are doing every second
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I remember Google's first day.
- earl wallace
I think everybody senses that there is *something* here with this realtime stuff. nobody can quite pinpoint what it all means though.
- Jamie
no it was not htought that it was even relevant really....people think twitter is relevant
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
yes it's much more interesting to perform your "search" at twitter and wait for people to give you up to date info. google can't compete with that.
- Brian Hendrickson
@Jamie +1. New things are hard to analyze
- David Damore
Back in 2000, Business Week wondered how Google would make money : ) http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily...
- Mike Doeff
+1 Jamie
- stanjourdan
I don't think that anyone would have said that google wasn't a threat to MSFT once they put out things like GoogleDocs
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@ Mike Doeff +1
- David Damore
So, I posted something about poker & within minutes... I had people following me on Twitter that were marketers with poker items/products.
- Jason Hansen
tho Steve has been consistent from the start. attention/gesture economy. hes been talking about this for years.
- Jamie
World's fastest CPU clocked at 128 gigaflops - http://www.techradar.com/news...
- ralphsaunders
Steve has the best overall point about this subject
- earl wallace
Sorry, I still think Twitter is a fad.
- Vezquex
I think we need to rebrand ourselves as a reality show
- Tina Chase Gillmor
you don't get how to find anything in Realtime because you don't use enough filters
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
My MOuntain Bike entry on friendfeed: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Once they are a threat... people see it... it is hard to see over the horizon unless you have satellite early warning systems...
- David Damore
the noise and speed of realtime means that the filtering layer will become more crucial - there will be a layer of folks who chew on the raw data and thats who folks like loren will listen to
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
The thing that really worries me, is that Twitter restricts real time track to corperate customers, that WE cant make us of it.
- Robert
Twitter is NOT a fad... I promise you that
- Tina Chase Gillmor
but Robert if I ask the same question I might get 2 responses.
- Jamie
Steve thinks he is the father of reason, let others talk please!
- Rafael
Just want to give props to all the other folks in the chat room. + 1 for all ;)
- David Damore
welll.... twitter might be, services like twitterr aren't
- ralphsaunders
I bought a bike last year, but if I was still looking for one this year, I'd be reading through that thread.
- Colin
I think that you're probably wrong about that Tina....the big acceptance rate is a fad,....what's not a fad is that style of interaction
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Jamie : because any bicycle seller is on FF (yet)
- stanjourdan
a friendfeed conversation is just like what alt.bicycle usegroup was like back in the day
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
+1 guruvan
- Brian Hendrickson
Mike: except without the spam and the assholes.
- Robert Scoble
gillmor has said: Twitter is training wheels
- Brian Hendrickson
Twitter doesn't really have a long term strategy or the ability to communicate and that means they're likely to be overtaken easily
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Anyone saw the Yahoo Meme? A twitter competitor?
- Rafael
I think real time really is most valuable if tied to real time events such as sports or stuff like that. I think companies will sprout up to offer real time to niche markets
- Mike Bracco
we are missing the "business intelligence" tools. We will see "conversational intelligence" those systems are being built.
- Jerry Schuman
robert: no - they are there - we just have better tools to manage them :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Clay Shirky said "There is no such thing as information overload, there’s only filter failure"
- Mike Doeff
See Friendfeed as a Twitter competitor and a step up at that... Twitter is facing a real threat from them IMHO. What do you think?
- David Damore
David: real threat is coming from Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
twitter == web 0.5 web post; Twitter Search == web 0.5 web post delivered via Atom; FriendFeed == all that data aggregated
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
What happened to Arrington?
- Rafael
Scoble: Really?
- David Damore
Steve Gilmour is a very smart man....!!!
- Owen Greaves
Can someone please explain what Track is?
- Stephen Pickering
Right now we're building the ability to construct conversations from discrete streams. Tweets melded to RSS or any other data repository via bayes algorithms.
- Jerry Schuman
The simplicity of Twitter currently wins
- Robert
Everyone on Friendfeed wonders why people still don't use it.
- Vezquex
Kyle: I know but why?
- Rafael
stephen, we already did up above
- Chris Heath
Robert: wrong. wrong wrong wrong.
- Robert Scoble
track is a saved search in real time that sends its results into your stream
- Brian Hendrickson
Stephen: track was a way to do keyword searches via Twitter's IM interface and have any post that matched delivered
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
robert: churn on Twitter is many times higher than on friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
there's friendfeed, realtime facebook, identica, and more....everyone thought that yahoo was the be all and end all before there was google....no one was that impressed with google....but there really insn't anything special about simple search, and there really isn't anything special about microblogging, they're simple technologies, and the real deal is who can run a better company
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Loren's ton is annoying
- stanjourdan
isn't Twitter losing 30-40% of new users each month? It's so easy they just do not get it?
- David Damore
its basicly smart extraction of community information right?
- AV
stephen, http://friendfeed.com/search... (it's in bold when you expand the comments)
- Chris Heath
chrun on twitter is ENORMOUS
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Thanks Chris!
- Stephen Pickering
churn is high because people log on and their friends aren't there
- Jamie
I think Friendfeed is getting very close to be as -instantaniously- user friendly as Twitter, its not there just. Its still too conveluted to be able to be used by my mother.
- Robert
no David: They get it and don't see the value in it....they do se the value in their facebook acounts, and the do see the value on friendfeed
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
This guy Loren is going to have a heart attack. The anger seems pointless.
- Shelly Brisbin
from twhirl
The avg new user on twitter doesn't return 'till a month or so later, right?
- Geeking Out
Robert: Agreed
- Rafael
Oprah is there? Why do they bail out on her?
- David Damore
it's called discovery, Loren
- Jerry Schuman
Robert, that's an apple/oranges comparison, because of the user-base. FF has less than a million still, I think, and most (certainly most-active) are IT professionals. I like both but they stack badly against each other, for various reasons.
- Shéa Bennett
Took almost a year for the message about Friendfeed to get through my thick skull ;)
- David Damore
New users leave Twitter when they follow only a handful of people and those people rarely tweet. Nobody wants to look at a blank screen.
- Mike Doeff
the user then churns but over time might get more and more email notifications... x friend is following you. y friend is following you.
- Jamie
Shea: watch the tides. The movement is what matters. Not how much water is in the bay already. :-)
- Robert Scoble
thats true mike
- Rafael
every person in this world is linked by 6 people right so in the end if you ask the right question you will get your answer to any question!
- AV
loren knows manic
- Brian Hendrickson
andrew just having fun with the discussion haha
- Rafael
@Alym Virani is there was perfect information flow
- David Damore
steve, i don't think you're an idiot about track... dead on imho
- Chris Heath
hahahaa
- Rafael
We love you Steve
- Mike Doeff
loren knows schtick
- Brian Hendrickson
I tend to agree with Loren... the problem with the real time web is that "right now" is relative.
- Ryan Stanley
Friendfeed is manageable for uses like this room..for me it will take awhile to process it's different options for my usage like Robert Scoble...Robert , please point me to a "Friendfeed manual of some sort! Thank you.
- earl wallace
mike - that's totally wrong....people on twitter leave because they follow too many people and can't deal with it
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
david danmore yes in an ideal world their is not perfect information flow but if the right questions are asked its most likely you will extract the info
- AV
Scoble has some sweet videos on F2
- David Damore
earl: when I figure it out I'll do a manual. :-)
- Robert Scoble
@Earl, check the help link at the bottom ;)
- Robert
turing test
- Jerry Schuman
Thank you Robert (:
- earl wallace
hahahaa
- Rafael
hahaha
- stanjourdan
how do you make money out of this feed?
- andrewkeen
It's kinda funny, each of these guys just want to be right :)
- Owen Greaves
hahaha Leo Lives!
- zephyrlily
Leo is like.... :-/
- Jamie
oh... knowledge engineering
- Jerry Schuman
The problem with Twitter etc... is that there is some much data coming at people that .... your q has to be important to get passed on > RT.
- David Damore
yes.. KE is a pain in the arse
- Jerry Schuman
I give 1 dollar to anyone who says that i'm beautiful!!!!
- Rafael
+1 andrewkeen
- stanjourdan
Robert's done a couple good vids on how to make use of friendfeed
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@andrewkeen Check out http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... and ask that question again
- Robert
andrewkeen: this feed? Not sure. Not a lot of intent on this one. How about my Mountain Bike one? http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... I can see TONS of ways to make money there.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, let's assume you're right - isn't FF going to be ruined by an influx from the masses? Surely its success will mean a manifestation of that 'churn' within Twitter? Isn't it better for you, everybody on there right now, really, if FF is only moderately popular?
- Shéa Bennett
@James Goldman Agree +1
- David Damore
actually Google Squares is going down that path right now
- Jerry Schuman
Thanks Robert, needed reading glasses for that. (:
- earl wallace
@andrewkeen people will allow ads to flow down their stream if they can hide the advertisers they don't like
- Brian Hendrickson
Robert you're right on with the targeting and such about the realtime web - the search is the king
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Maybe people will have to select categories to have the ads they see from
- David Damore
FriendFeed needs to be prepared NOW for the influx of companies coming to sell there.
- caj
guruvan I was referring to the new users who leave after a month. I have some non-geek friends who have joined Twitter and only followed a handful of people and they had no interest in following people they've never met. Those people don't see the utility of it and leave.
- Mike Doeff
can I take that last Skype slot on Skypesaurus?
- Jerry Schuman
youtube has to explore P2P solutions
- stanjourdan
the problem with youtube is there is no content model....the crap on youtube is nothing you can monetize
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
are people starting to come around to Steve's way of thinking about Twitter @ signs?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
That's an expensive utility.
- Francine Hardaway
Robert Scoble: Excellent!
- Rafael
Like a runner,,,, Interested in ads for shoes, socks, clothes, races, heart rate monitors
- David Damore
That's how the world goes round, money making.
- Colin
If money can't be made, the service goes away eventually
- Francine Hardaway
finguers crossed steve
- AV
@Tina no
- Brian Hendrickson
This chat brought to you by Rackspace and Audible.com
- Mike Doeff
Very well put Mr. Gillmor!
- earl wallace
tina - yes, even the slowest of folks eventually feel the pain
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
hahaha
- Geeking Out
hahahaha
- Rafael
That's what Wolfram Alpha is for. I wondered...
- Francine Hardaway
People watching this are generally early adopters... some advertisers would want to reach that audience
- David Damore
there are technologies emerging that use both stream and P2P for downloading content
- stanjourdan
You cannot divide by zero!
- caj
Mike: and Amazon. And Microsoft. And Google. And and and and.
- Robert Scoble
the better query for Alpha: At what point does Loren stroke out on GG?
- Jerry Schuman
I think the only thing who can make money on any conversation on earth is PORN.
- Rafael
lol, probability of the both talking again?
- Zu from AOD
Nice one Scoble
- David Damore
there's some puppeteer raggin' on loren... and loren's rant about it
- Chris Heath
Devolution.
- Francine Hardaway
Congrats guys!
- Rafael
Adios
- Mike Doeff
Great show guys
- David Damore
very good show this week guys !
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Great show! ;)
- Colin
Thanks all of you guys on show!
- earl wallace
that was intense lol
- Jamie
peace
- Geeking Out
nish
- earl wallace
hey they finished a show.
- Brian Hendrickson
Nice conversation in the chat room too
- David Damore
wow.. Leo survived this one
- Jerry Schuman
hahaha
- Rafael
thanks for showing up all you people
- Tina Chase Gillmor
love hanging out with such smart people
- David Damore
Where's dinner?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
loren is crazy! haha
- Rafael
This rivals the drama of broadcast television, love it ;).
- Colin
I missed gillmor's last point, can anyone summarize?
- Brian Hendrickson
its always the Mike and Loren schtick
- Jerry Schuman
Always with the drama
- Mike Doeff
It's not over until thhe fat lady sings.
- Francine Hardaway
don't cry please
- Rafael
Is the show downloadable anywhere?
- Omar Egan
Kinda sensitive? omg
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
hahaha
- Rafael
++ Colin
- Zu from AOD
Loren is concerned.
- Francine Hardaway
gillmorgang.techcrunch.com for downloads
- Jerry Schuman
Robert's the crying on the inside kind of clown :p
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
from IM
scoble an "insane frat boy" that's good
- Brian Hendrickson
all these guys are super sensitive
- Tina Chase Gillmor
It's not a Gillmor Gang if someone doesn't storm off : )
- Mike Doeff
Jerry: nothing new there since mid-April
- Thomas James
lol Mike & Tina
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
-- show's in flash get some video cache view
- Zu from AOD
Scoble says: "Friendfeed Friendfeed Friendfeed Friendfeed Friendfeed Friendfeed"
- David Damore
still have to replay the calacanis/canter battle. that was crazy
- Jamie
Tina, makes sense to me. I'm not sure why its such a battle to understand Steve's POV
- Hilary Talbot
There might be a little bit of ego going on. But they need that...right?
- caj
LOL
- David Damore
geek soap opera with boys.
- Shelly Brisbin
from twhirl
Scoble look out the dinner time! Your wike will kill u!
- Rafael
wife*
- Rafael
yeah... no new shows since April
- Omar Egan
Scoble's a pretty placid guy
- Francine Hardaway
Tina is this a podcast on Mr. Gillmors web site?
- earl wallace
guess the show isn't over.
- Vezquex
Yes Alan they need the ego or they wouldn't be any good at their jobs
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
To quote Trek, "you must learn to govern your passions. They will be your undoing." ;-)
- ZillaFan
Vezquex: it's never over.
- Robert Scoble
This is the healing time
- Mike Doeff
uashduashduashda
- Rafael
the past few shows have not been edited for download
- Tina Chase Gillmor
you guys talk 24 hours a day?
- Vezquex
I thought he was Steve. Thin Skin
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Tina: do you know if they will be?
- Thomas James
Vezquex: seems like that.
- Robert Scoble
they don't need editing! put them up lol
- Jamie
Thank you Tina (:
- earl wallace
Loren reminds me of that after hours host, Dave something
- zephyrlily
Go get dinner Robert
- Mike Doeff
I'm not going to say for sure... we are working on a few things here
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Robert your wife and kids will kill u!
- Rafael
Loren should do late nite TV...he's in the right City!
- Owen Greaves
why? they bought Pownce and did squat with it
- Jerry Schuman
Rafael: I have a few more minutes.
- Robert Scoble
Please domt sell FF to Google..no non no
- earl wallace
still not convinced google understands the sociaL
- Jamie
Scoble: Hahaha ok.
- Rafael
MSFT better make a bid on that.... or they will really be locked out
- David Damore
NO! Google messes up every social service they buy
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
from IM
googlel didn't buy pownce
- Chris Heath
Google didn't do squat with Dodgeball and Jaiku
- Mike Doeff
Like Google and Jaiku?
- ZillaFan
Loren is sad now.
- Rafael
Think it was 6 apart that bought pownce?
- Jamie
i want feedly
- Francine Hardaway
oops.. that's right it was Jaiku not Pownce
- Jerry Schuman
The Google Mafia....
- David Damore
Scoble must be google mafia too
- Brian Hendrickson
never heard that before
- David Damore
I see a Hugh MacLeod poster in the background at Scoble's... we have one like that too
- Tina Chase Gillmor
This is a time of IDEA creation
- David Damore
Really doubt ex-Googlers would sell to Google.
- Vezquex
Microsoft should buy Google who should then buy FriendFeed.
- caj
Friend feed needs mobile apps for all mobile OS
- earl wallace
Is that a Cubical Grenade... from Hugh
- David Damore
Scoble: Agreed with you
- Rafael
go look at the case study Google just put up at the analytics blog about using it for Social media campaigns. Interesting read.
- Jerry Schuman
First time posting on friend feed, forgot I even had an account til the guys were talking about it lol
- dawgbytez
Everything needs time to set up to your taste.
- Rafael
What data would one search on Facebook? Status updates, Notes....????
- David Damore
OMG!
- Rafael
That's a big big book!
- Rafael
david, what does one search for ever?
- Chris Heath
yeah im crying out for a good iphone friendfeed client
- Jamie
Did you read that entire book Robert?
- Mike Doeff
There's tons of data to search on facebook - especially if you have on the order of 5000 friends
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I doubt it
- Rafael
David : fan pages?
- stanjourdan
gillmor what are you saying/?
- Brian Hendrickson
I have to admit facebook sucks, I only signed up to search for out of touch friends and family then other ppl found me and added me.
- dawgbytez
jamie, you can go to the regular site on your iphone
- Chris Heath
crying for BB one too
- earl wallace
I know but I prefer a client
- Jamie
Hummmmm..... Interesting.....
- David Damore
Windows XP inside out Illustrated edition ahaha
- Rafael
"templates of best practices that get shared"
- Brian Hendrickson
there's the friendfeed-hacks group and the friendfeed-filters group
- Chris Heath
thanks Loren
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Steve is right on here - If it wasn't for Robert's ideas I would be swimming in data, and I wind up teaching that skill a lot now
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I'm over a minute behind due to buffering.
- Vezquex
uasdhuahs
- Rafael
gillmor continue
- Brian Hendrickson
firefox for dummies
- Rafael
track for dummies
- Chris Heath
lol
- Chris Heath
Track for Dummies LOL
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Like I said.... I have a lot to learn and hanging out with such smart people here is awesome
- David Damore
miniscobleizer right there
- Rafael
Facebook is so boring
- earl wallace
dawgbytez: facebook is a lot cooler than people realize....it has some lousy features, but it's really going to take off
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
new to FF. seems like it is more dominated by tech people than twitter... is there non-tech related conversations somewhere on here?
- Brendan Clancy
FF development pace is too slow IMO
- Ryan Stanley
it's not real time - I have to click on a referesh
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I love Facebook. It doesn't get enough credit
- Jamie
I have to go! Bye every one! Nice conversation!
- Rafael
Brendan, the main topics here are tech and bacon
- Mike Doeff
Everyone for Everyone! :-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Keep doing this good job with ff
- Rafael
Have fun Rafael
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
oh good! i love bacon!!!
- Brendan Clancy
Thx guruvan you too!
- Rafael
out
- Rafael
Facebook is good for comments and such but then so is twitter which I'm also on, how many of these things do we really need?
- dawgbytez
I just use Stylish for FF themes.
- Vezquex
Brendan, FF is still very geeky for the moment, but things are changing currently
- stanjourdan
Bacon FTW!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
parallelized queries is a no brainer
- Jerry Schuman
It is a technology issue
- Vinay Y S
Gotta learn more about Facebook and how, when and what to search for on it.
- David Damore
Guruvan, My comment regarding boring(facebook)was too broad. I guess within the context of using it for my family
- earl wallace
FF don't have user, they've fans. Big difference
- stanjourdan
it's not the number of people who are *using* it - it's the amount of data to be searched/updated
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
How could it have been a problem if only 3% were using it?
- Omar Egan
Leo I have a Chariot sidecar have you seen those? in lieu of a trailer, it's a lot of fun
- Brian Hendrickson
it wasn't a technical problem omar
- Chris Heath
a lounge chair with pedals
- Jerry Schuman
Without those 3%, you can just do a join of the sender's and the receiver's followers.
- Vezquex
thanks Tina.
- Hilary Talbot
dawgbytez: we need as many of these things as it takes to get most of the people online, and they don't all like every kind of way to do it....people like me need to be on most of them so that we can connect the rest of them
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
thanks everyone
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Makes sense to me Rob, I think lol
- dawgbytez
where can we get this show later and where can we get the wolfram interview later?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Steve, Tina, looking forward to getting the shows again on iTunes. It's rare that I can catch this live.
- Mike Doeff
my cat Gray is on my desk beggin for me to pet him. paw, paw, paw, paw
- Tina Chase Gillmor
noooo Steve
- Jamie
Leo: Can you put this on to repeat once it wraps?
- Ken Sheppardson
Steve, it works well as audio-only too
- Mike Doeff
steve, tina, an mp3 would be perfect
- Brian Hendrickson
this google/youtube wget (autopost?) sounds interesting
- Chris Heath
gillmor gang will always be an audio show
- Jamie
I guess that awnsers why the RSS feed hasnt been updated in a month :(
- Robert
Thanks Robert
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Thanks everyone.
- David Damore
jamie, that's not what steve just said
- Chris Heath
I like seeing it live, not sure I'd like to see on youtube unless I'm away during the show and miss it.
- dawgbytez
thanks everyone (1:30 AM here...)
- stanjourdan
Leo I think you should push your tweets to army.twit.tv I mean c'mon
- Brian Hendrickson
he said he now sees it as a video show
- Jamie
I dont care if its audio or video, as long as I can get it as a podcast
- Robert
Time to go outside and enjoy the sunshine
- Mike Doeff
dawgbytez yeah, but you have the choice... that's the point
- Chris Heath
Nuts, in an airport making a connection. Is there any chance of this one getting released for the network deprived?
- Aron Michalski
from fftogo
I wouldnt hold your breath..
- Jamie
Leo please buy the A/C. I will up my participation
- earl wallace
aron, yes, it's getting on the re-runs and steve said it should get up somewhere (google video / youtube)? eventually
- Chris Heath
thanks y'all - time for dinner here
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
what was the wolfram show?
- Jamie
The fact that Steve hasn't been posting the recordings and there's no fixed schedule for repeats on TWiT... well.. sucks.
- Ken Sheppardson
just a one-off?
- Jamie
jamie, leo interviewed stephen wolfram (for the radio show and kiki's show)
- Chris Heath
Ken: agreed
- Thomas James
I felt like I needed a PHD in physics to keep up with Wolfram
- dawgbytez
yeah ken, i feel you
- Chris Heath
great twit lineup there!! Dvorak, molly wood, and becky worley
- Chris Heath
lol Leo!
- earl wallace
I guess if it's not real time it might as well be 3 weeks later... :-/
- Ken Sheppardson
Thanks Leo! I'd be lost without all the tech stuff you bring us
- dawgbytez
was wolfram on the wwdc stage a few years ago?
- Jamie
ken, tina's been helpful in explaining what's up... i did have to ask (dm on ff)
- Chris Heath
dave, yes and no, just like the other chats
- Chris Heath
Oh, I have no doubt there's some explanation that makes sense. Doesn't mean it doesn't suck.
- Ken Sheppardson
definitely
- Chris Heath
Thats funny,Arrington just posted the words "gilmore gang" on FF, then deleted it again
- Robert
yeah I really wanted to hear last weeks show
- Jamie
jamie, it may make it out eventually
- Chris Heath
hope so
- Jamie
me too... i only caught the tail end
- Chris Heath
Ken, it makes me wonder if whatever partnership Gillmor Gang had with TechCrunch is no longer in place. The web versions are on gillmorgang.techcrunch.com It would make more sense to have it on Leo's TWiT network. I'm confused.
- Mike Doeff
I agree - at this point it makes a lot of sense for it to be hosted on TWiT
- Jamie
and who knows, perhaps one day we will see a return of the godaddy style infomercial at the start of the show. I miss those days :-)
- Jamie
Caught the tail end of the show... pretty kewl stuff :)
- Michael Lynch
I miss the Doug Kaye /IT Conversations intro at the start of the show ;)
- Robert
Yeah, who knows. I'd be amazed if it's any sort of falling out with TC... Steve's writing for TechcrunchIT.
- Ken Sheppardson
I would not be amazed at all
- Robert
gillmor and mike are cool
- Jamie
Considdering the size of all the Ego's involved, vendetta's and splits are bound to happen occasionally
- Robert
I still remember when the show imploded and took about a 6-8 month hiatus (mid-late 2007?)
- Mike Doeff
Was that a different period than when he split off from Adam Curry and couldnt use the name, or was that before?
- Robert
What did it implode over, can you recall?
- Robert
there was a meme from show to show about it being the last show
- Jamie
then there was drama in an episode, steve didn'tput it out and it really was the last show
- Jamie
Robert, yes that was what I was referring to.
- Mike Doeff
Adam Curry really made friends in the sphere, you hear from him all the time now ;)
- Robert
those earthlink ads :-)
- Jamie
This was the best Gillmor Gang to date...really opened my eyes as to how marketers/companies are using real time media as a marketing tool.
- Mike Gargano
How do we see or listen to yesterday's show?
- Arnie Klaus
HI FROM GEORGIA SOUNDING GOOD VEDIO GOOD ON TWIT TV
- daveccorey
I'm looking at buying a mountain bike. For $1,000 to $1,500 what would you recommend? Answer on friendfeed so I can link to the results, link here:
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I have a Cannondale that I love (though I'm lame and put road tires on it so I can take it to the post office!). http://www.cannondale.com/bikes...
- Marina Martin
Marin Pine Mountain http://www.marinbikes.com/2009...
- Clint
It depends on what you want to do/what sort of riding your going to be doing. Do you want a hard tail(just front suspension) or dual suspension?
- Michael Gross
I've owned several Trek's and have been very happy with all of them.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Michael: dual suspension. I'm getting old and the softer ride is worth it (I've already tested that out).
- Robert Scoble
Michael: I'll be on mostly flat trails, though, but who knows? Even then, though, the dual suspension is something I felt on just street riding and like a lot.
- Robert Scoble
I like my Diamondback - a bit heavier than most, but more solid
- Jason
Vikrum: are there any Santa Cruz in my price range, though?
- Robert Scoble
cannondale is a good bike, Trek also makes some mean mid range bikes, i use this site for info http://www.mtbr.com/
- Adam B
A professional rider today told me that in my price range Specialized and Trek are good to consider.
- Robert Scoble
Giant Trance X2. High quality yet affordable. By all means check out Mountain Bike Review (http://www.mtbr.com) for user reviews, trail ratings, discussions, etc. And then sign up so I can say I was on mtbr.com before you.
- Sue Radd
Cannondale all the way. Depending on how "mountain" you want. You may want to look at a hybrid. Road tires are so much easier to push.
- Hans
Hans: I'm going to be mostly on dirt, but doubt I'll go out in the mud very often, so hybrid might be OK. I like the traction I get with knobby tires, though.
- Robert Scoble
I have had a Specialized for almost twenty years. no shox or special suspension but worked great on bumpy Volcano dirt trails near Bend Oregon last summer.
- Dave Blockhus
7 pages of them on Craigslist - http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search...
- John Rubier
Specialized has always been my favorite bike brand
- Jesse Stay
I also vote for canondale I have one that is 15+years old and I am a heavy rider (270) in total time owned other then tune ups 2 repairs shifter and BB axle. AWESOME AMERICAN BIKE CO.
- zac_in_ak
I do have to say that friendfeed is demonstrating something very killer here: real time product feedback. I'm writing a blog post about this.
- Robert Scoble
Yo Dawg, I heard you're looking for a bike. Get a Kona Dawg. http://www.konaworld.com/09_dawg... So you can ride while you ride. Seriously great bikes though.
- Andrew Smith
Sorry, but I have to lobby for the Trance, 'cause that's what I ride. (modded earlier model to add disc brakes and a better Fox fork.) :-) http://tinyurl.com/cl4moa
- Sue Radd
Chris: so now I have to decide whether to go Cannondale or Trek or Specialized. You all are no help! :-)
- Robert Scoble
I would go with the bike that you feel most comfortable on. It is all a matter of preference. Every rider has a different riding style, body type, etc. I own a trek fuel ex8...good all around bike! I've also have two Kona hardtails, which are bomb proof! Visit your local bike shop and let them know your budget, and the type of riding you will be doing. Try as many as you can...once you sit on the bike, you will know in the first 5min. Like an interview! Ha!
- nilo ayson
Can't go wrong with Specialized and Trek. Heck, go with Trek to feel some solidarity with Lance!
- Troy Malone
I'd recommend a Trek. I've beaten the heck out of those things on the trails, and they just last and ask for more. Seems the 6 series are in your price range http://www.trekbikes.com/us...
- Al
It really depends what you want to do. Where do you want to ride? With friends and family around some trails or do you want to do some more serious cross-country or downhill mountain biking. Either way resist getting something with dual suspention in that price range - it's slow & heavy and junky. Kona's a better value and you might want to look at the speedy street/trail friendly DR DEW http://www.konaworld.com/09_drde... or the more KULA http://www.konaworld.com/09_kula... - PS) Live to ride!
- Adam Horne
Ask on http://www.hunch.com
- Victor Panlilio
I just bought a new Trek 4300. Its a nice cost-for-value solution - they are good for not-yet-professionals, yet hold up nicely even for heavy-set riders (me :))
- Yariv Zur
Victor: why? My friends are here. They aren't on hunch. I trust the people here on friendfeed and Twitter a lot more than on Hunch.
- Robert Scoble
Other than Kona, I'd also recommend Rocky Mountain Bikes. Both brands huge here in Whistler. Maybe look at this one http://www.bikes.com/main+en...
- Andrew Smith
you said great, now you have to pick between a cannondale, a trek, and a specialized mountain bike. That's not a problem, I actually test road all 3 at the sea otter on thursday and they are all great bike companies. The answer to chose between the three is easy. Go to your local friendly neighborhood bike shop and see which one of the three they carry.
- Ilya Rivkin
Look for a Cross Country frame for light trail riding. They're usually lighter and position your body better for longer distances. Dual Suspension often have more aggressive downhill frame geometries.
- timmann
You know, given that every single good MTB is going to have some mix of Shimano and SRAM parts, have suspension from a small group of companies, is made in a small selection of factories in Taiwan, etc. I think it's mostly about which one happens to be available at a nice place with non-asshole salesfolk and happens to fit you the best.
- Wirehead
Oh, and unless you are in the mud, knobby tire traction is an illusion. I've gone through all sorts of bay area mountain biking trails and not once have I said "Gee, the knob between my legs isn't enough. I need a bunch of knobs on my tires!" But, given that most Hybrids are intended to be riden a maximum of 500 miles before being thrown out, you might just want to get a nice MTB and then change the tires out afterwards.
- Wirehead
Ryan: here's th thing about friendfeed, though. If you ask a question and I "like" it, it goes to the same people who would see my own question. So, do you need 90,000 followers or only one follower?
- Robert Scoble
Pretty interesting to see how this worked--asking for feedback. I ride a Trek Fuel EX7--probably above the range you set but not by much. My wife bought it for me asking all her mtb friends. She does XTERRA races. She was told and I agree, it was well worth the extra money to step up from the EX 5.5. And as someone said, Lance rides Treks. He road a Top Fuel at last years Leadville 100.
- Bob McAllaster
I'd go with either Santa Cruz or Scott, they offer real pro bikes in wide range of levels. Oh, and Robert, I'm so waiting for the video of Scoble Doing Downhill.
- Nir Ben Yona
Nir: in the $1,500 level? Trek seems better at that level than the others.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I was riding pro for many years. With bikes, you can put 5 people in a room and hear 10 different opinions. My first advice would be to go and test each one of the models for yourself. Second, is to get the exact size that fits your body (very important). Third, buy the right accessories. Fourth, join a group at your level. Finally, Trek are good, no doubt, but IMHO Scott are better, but yet again, go and ask for a test ride.
- Nir Ben Yona
One more thing: if you're planning a trail ride, dual suspension won't be good. Make sure you can lock the rear suspension, otherwise it would take extra energy from you.
- Nir Ben Yona
Nir: but it's a lot more comfortable. I tried that out already.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: It is ! but if you ride 20 miles of flat trail, the rear suspension will force you to put more effort, that's why you should buy dual suspension with locking option. As for the gears, you won't need XTR, i think that XT will be enough at this point.
- Nir Ben Yona
Robert, I took this Giant Anthem 1, some crazy places in the European Alps over 2500km and all I got was one flat. http://is.gd/tpjL http://is.gd/tplp. If you are after a smooth rolling dual suspension with propedal rear shock for 'widish' forest tracks and 'smoothish' single track I think this would be ideal.
- Jan Zimak
Robert; a hard question to answer without substantially more information. Generally if you stick with the top brands you will get a good bike but, to get one that is best suited to your riding style and terrain the best approach would be to contact your local mountain bike club and ask which are the most reputable bike shops. the go to 2-3 of them to get their advice/recommendation. Word of warning: unless the sales person wants to know a lot about you, your interests and where/how you ride. walk away.
- Wayne Blackshaw
Robert, you definitely want a hard-tail (i.e front suspension only) for flat trail riding. If comfort is an issue, replace the stock saddle with a really good foam-gel-filled model that has a cutaway to reduce pressure on the crotch. Also, padded short/pant liner for added cushioning. Also, I would suggest you get a model with click gear shifters, rather than the twist variety. In my experience, shifting on the fly is much smoother and easier with the click variety.
- Phil Essing
Phil: I'll take another look, but I dramatically liked the ones with dual suspension better.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: well, then, definitely follow the advice of those who suggest a model with a lockable rear-suspension. My advice on saddle replacement and padded short/pant liners stands. For longer duration riding, rear suspension will do nothing to ease the comfort in the crotch and seat-bone areas.
- Phil Essing
Phil: cool. the trail I'll be on most has some up and down, some ruts, 30% asphalt, 70% dirt/gravel. I doubt I'd be riding more than an hour very often. I'm not that kind of guy. Someday, if I really get into it, maybe, but I'm at least two years away from that and probably never. Got two kids, so getting more than an hour for exercise is going to be very tough until they are older.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Sounds like the terrain mix that I mostly ride. One last bit of advice: never ride without an emergency kit. Get a strap on tire pump, and a saddle bag that you can stuff with a multi-tool, two or three tire levers, spare inner-tube, and a pair of latex gloves. Why the gloves? For that inevitable moment when, while shifting, your chain derails. With the gloves, you can quickly get that chain back in place without getting your hands all messed-up with grease.
- Phil Essing
Oh, and if you're the DIY type, here's a site you're going to definitely want to bookmark: http://bicycletutor.com/ Lots of great video tutorials on how to maintain and care for your new trusty steed.
- Phil Essing
+1 for the tips Phil, I second every word. Another good place to find relevant stuff is here: http://forums.mtbr.com
- Nir Ben Yona
Nir Ben Yona: Been lurking on those forums for quite some time. Definitely, another great source of info for the MTB'er.
- Phil Essing
Get a double bike trailer and take your two lovelies along for the ride.
- Ken Oatman
Love my Gary Fisher. Have had it for 15 years. Indestructible.
- Jeff
My top picks are Sta Cruz Blur XC or Giant Trance. You should also look at 29ers (29" wheels instead of 26"). They are all the rage and make riding over obstacles even easier.
- Craig Villamor
You have a lot of good feedback so far. I bought a Trek 4300 (hardtail) 5 years ago and love it. Have upgraded almost all the components, but the lightweight aluminum frame is durable and pretty light. If I was in the market for a new full suspension, I'd look at the Trek FuelEX or Gary Fisher full suspension. You might rethink your hardtail/FS decision. You'll get better components for your $ with a hardtail, and less maintenance. If you go FS you may want to up your budget to $1500 to $2000.
- Charles Hanskat
I'm a mountain biker, go check out http://pinkbike.com + http://jehlebikes.com + http://www.chainreactioncycles.com ... I would recommend Scott, Santa Cruz, Specialized.
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
oh, and i want to see photos on flickr pls :D heh
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
Many good choices from Specialized, Trek, Cannondale, etc. The key is getting the proper fit. Go to a decent (not high end) independent bike shop like Valencia Cyclery in SF (valenciacyclery.com). If you join the SF Bike Coalition (sfbike.com), most SF bike shops will give you a discount, too. You can often find a great deal on last year's models, too. Bike to Work Day is May 14th, so now is the time....
- Tony Wasserman
Salcano Bike is good.
- N.Onur ATAHAN
Yep...don't even bother with anything other than Santa Cruz. It's what my friend Chris uses and he does 24 hour mountain bike races.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Have a look at the GT 'Force' series or Gary Fisher 'Roscoe' Series. Opt for full suspension along with clip-less pedals/shoes IMHO.
- JR
Robert: I'm in San Mateo and ride Purisima Creek Road (starting from the Skyline Side) pretty frequently. Lots of good riding in MPROSD preserves. DM me if you ever want to ride. I'm slow and non-threatening, I promise.
- Sue Radd
What do you want to ride? Bike path, singletrack, doubletrack, downhill, etc...
- Chris Greene
Robert, looked at your description of trails and riding conditions above and here's my most sage advice. BUY THE BIKE THAT FITS! - Don
- Chris Greene
't listen to anyone that's telling you a model. Go ride some Treks, Specialized, Cannondale whatever features you like and settle on something that fits you and i comfortable.
- Chris Greene
I wouldn't go fancy with suspension (front fork will do). And no need for exotic materials until you start racing (stay away from carbon fiber). If you start to pound singletrack the mainline brands (Trek, Spec, Cannon) will all fall apart on you. Buy something with a good kit (Shimano LX, XT), and again be comfortable and nice fitting. You can only decide this by test riding bikes. Don't mistake mountain biking with a mountain bike.
- Chris Greene
If you are only going to ride the coastal roads in HMB or bike paths, a mountain bike is not the right way to go.
- Chris Greene
- peace out
- Chris Greene
Chris: except I have mountain trails all around me.
- Robert Scoble
I've never had a bad experience with a Gary Fisher bike.
- Tsali - el Rey de Reyes
Robert: I know you do. The question is do you really ride them? If yes, then I think a god hardtail THAT FITS with a nice fork is a good choice for you. If you don't ride them and think you might, I would suggest you start off with something better suited to the stuff you do ride. The range of stuff in HMB can go from easy climbs and bike paths to super gnarly stuff on Montara Mtn. that's the kind of things I've ridden with a 50LB dual suspension bike with 10" of travel.
- Chris Greene
Robert: ....my first mtn bike was a aluminum hardtail and was great for a couple of years. When I obsessed about it I upgraded. If I had never gone down the pro road I would have been fine with that simple bike for the rest of my days. The problem was that you can never "make" an expensive or simple bike fit you and it will not be fun.
- Chris Greene
I had a Cannondale. Nearly took my eye out mountainbiking and falling over a cactus, so I stopped.
- Francine Hardaway
Just got a new Trek! Love Trek and Giant.
- Corey Marthaller
from Nambu
forget the mountain bike, buy a euro style bike like the following and ride in normal clothes every day somewhere! Far better to do 1-10km every day than 50km on a sat or sun, I do 10km a day on my swiss bike and am in the best shape ever: http://usa.batavus.com/ http://www.civiacycles.com/civiaco... text me if you need further euro bike buying advice :-) ! …Roland +1 604 729 7924
- Roland Tanglao
Speak to your local bike shop. The support they will provide when things go wrong or you want to upgrade is worthwhile. You can also try the bike which is important. The larger manufacturers can probably get you a better set of components for the money but it will be less unique. Trek, Marin, Specialized are all good in my opinion. How you feel on the bike and the dealer support are more important to a new biker in my opinion, assuming you are fairly new to this?
- Andrew Edwards
Robert: Andrew Edwards comment just above is great advice: find a shop you like and trust, the best result will come from that. Also key, and already said: get a bike that fits, from a shop that understands fit. There aren't many bad bikes made anymore, especially in the $1000 and up price range. That said, I work at Specialized, and follow you on twitter, so DM me if you want to talk more. @matthewscd
- matthewscd
fookinner
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Specialized Stump Jumper. http://tinyurl.com/owcdfw I have bought this bike 2x ( the first one was stolen out of my garage) It is way more than I will ever use as I like to ride around SF and to the North Bay, but have taken it down nutty trail rides in Tahoe as well. It certainly has the "you know your bikes" quality as whenever I take it to get tunes up the gearheads always...
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- Kevin Murray
Well, did you get one??? My advice is similar to a couple others. Work with a local bike shop who works with you to FIT you on a bike. More than anything else, finding a bike and tuning it to your body and riding style will go farther than anything to make it an enjoyable sport.
- Dave Ploch
What type of riding do you want to do? XC or downhill. There's a significant difference in bike design and tech between the two. I'm an XC rider myself and rode a Santa Cruz superlight before switching to a KHS 904r. Both are dual suspension. I would highly recommend dual over a hardtail. Superior handling, climbing and comfort on those 100km rides.
- Troy Forster
Wow Building 43 really is as big as Area 51!
- Jan Simmonds
Cannondale Bay Boy Ultra is what I have. comes with nice road rims and front shock is in the head tube and can be turned on and off and has disc brakes. I bought a separate set of mountain bike rims and they swap on and off easily. Two bikes for the price of 1.5
- Dave Evans
Robert, I spend my whole life thinking about questions like this. The correct answer for you is "Gary Fisher HiFi." And also you need to start reading my blog: fatcyclist.com.
- Elden Nelson
$799 Montague Paratrooper used by the Army. http://www.montagueco.com/bikes...
- Francis Estrada
so will Cannondale sponsor the discussion? And if they do, won't that undermine the nature and quality of the discussion
- andrewkeen
good luck everyone
- andrewkeen
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- ammy
NL2: Gillmor Gang 02/21/2009 . Can it possibly be true that *ndr*w K**n is not a part of this one? Ahh, the sweet release of his absence!
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this will help cut down on your gg time allotment mving forward
- Steve Gillmor
This is like one of those situations where you have a good friend who has a good friend you don't like. It's tough to invite your friend to parties without them dragging along the other one.
- Dave Slusher
exactly how I got to know Andrew and like him
- Steve Gillmor
I'm really liking this episode. Any one that has Sam Whitmore on it is a good one. I always listen to the ones with K**n up until the point he wears out the welcome. He's had many opportunities to flip me but he has failed every time. Electing to listen to him is like having to go out and hand pick people to troll your blog's comments.
- Dave Slusher
I liked what Leo was saying about Twitter. I've been saying the same thing in almost exactly the same language, particularly since the I Want Sandy debacle. "Twitter is not a good steward of their users."
- Dave Slusher
sam is awesome, but steve seriously ak is not worthy of your attention or ours...
- mike "glemak" dunn
luckily I don't go by the opinions of anyone but my own. sorry you don't detect the difference since he's joined. I do.
- Steve Gillmor
Of course I detect a difference. I'm really detecting it in this show he's not on. Did I mention how much I'm enjoying the 2/21 show? That is a compliment, you know.
- Dave Slusher
Andrew is important, what's dave got against him?
- Christopher Harris
I appreciate Andrew. He adds just the right amount of skepticism. If this were American Idol / Survivor, he wouldn't be the first one I'd vote off.
- Ken Sheppardson
also he's listening. his understanding of twitter went from 0-60 in a very short time.
- Steve Gillmor
I'm a huge fan of Andrew Keen but I get my butt kicked when I say I liked his book. Ho hum - goes with the turf.
- Dennis Howlett
I like everyone, except Gillmor himself, of course. All he talks about is the gesture economy and the fact that Silverlight is dead.
- Matt Terenzio
lol - ah, matt to the heart of the matter ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
I think Andrew just the right amount of "oh come on, you don't really believe....." and it forces people to rephrase what they are saying and defend it. Its good stuff and he doesn't dominate, just butts in where he feels the need.
- Christian Burns
*ndr*w K**n's shtick is the opposite of mine. I don't just talk mine, I'm trying to make happen the world I want. I'm currently in the act of helping organize a conference bringing new media tools to as many residents of my part of South Carolina as we can. As I interpret him, if what I was doing had any value someone would be paying me for it, thus I and my enterprise suck. I reject that outlook as violently as I can and don't find it at all funny or cute.
- Dave Slusher
I'm not against pushback in general to my worldview but to quote Howard Rheingold on K**n: "I prefer to point people to more thoughtful critics."
- Dave Slusher
I find both kinds of schtick the least illuminating aspects of the two of you. but the world would be much less entertaining.
- Steve Gillmor
who is Dave Slusher? sounds a big dodgy to me. Is it the Berkeley Bagel?
- andrewkeen
Oh boy
- Dave Slusher
@kshep American Idol for geeks. . . that might get funding even in these economic times.
- Matt Terenzio
It's funny. I'm unemployed this week and I'm working harder than ever. Looking forward to my new project (aka job), starts on Monday!
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We will announce what it is on Saturday on Gillmor Gang.
- Robert Scoble
That's because being employed is easier than being unemployed, everyone knows that :-), that's why people stay employed if possible.
- Richard A.
you finally have the time to do what you wanted to do, at the same time.
- Richard A.
Uploaded two videos yesterday, a third being uploaded right now. Did eight interviews yesterday, along with had breakfast with Kleiner Perkins. Today up at 6:15 to try to catch up with email. Whew! I need a vacation! ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Good stuff, least you're keeping yourself busy, better than some people manage to do. Looking forward to hearing about the new venture.
- Simon Wicks
I'm trying to read tea leaves in your various FriendFeed posts Robert. Hmm...I'm thinking something with Likes, friends, influence, early trend detection...but then I may be way off and will just have to find out Saturday like everyone else.
- Hutch Carpenter
Richard: bing! My life is 10x more creative lately because I'm doing what I want, not what someone else wants me to do. That's a key attribute to a happy life. It's hard to achieve, though.
- Robert Scoble
It is the nature of the beast - work and life melt together!
- Julie Anderson
now i'm getting friend feed
- andrewkeen
Hutch: actually I did leave some hints in friendfeed, but not explicit ones. When you hear the announcement on Saturday you'll be able to do a search and figure it all out.
- Robert Scoble
It's hard but many of those we're following on twitter and friendfeed have achieved this to some degree.
- Richard A.
BUM! Taking up all our tax dollars.
- sofarsoShawn <Pop-Rocks>
Glad you got a new gig lined up Robert. Congrats!
- Josh Haley
@Robert: i love your sense of adventure. looking forward to learning more about the 'next chapter.'
- MikeAmundsen
Too bad our friends at FC couldn't pull it together. I was looking forward to leading CSR live forums with guest speakers, as promised, and that never came to fruition.
- Karma Martell
sofaroshawn: nope, this time I'm not on unemployment. I've been very fortunate to have lots of employment opportunities. @Josh, me too! But I had this one lined up before I quit my job at Fast Company.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - Dave Winer said something to that effect as well about your posts. It's what made me check them out a bit more closely.
- Hutch Carpenter
Karma: if one organization can't help you achieve your big dreams, keep trying. You'll find one. Let's talk on Monday.
- Robert Scoble
Nothing like some new project to start afresh, congrats.
- Carlos Lorenzo
Me too! woo hoo...
- Rex
I usually take a job so I can have some days off...
- Aron Michalski
Jokes, we all know you're a contributing member of society, and should be on the gov'ts pay roll
- sofarsoShawn <Pop-Rocks>
You may be unemployed (for a week). But are you more or less productive? :P
- Lorin Olsen
Hutch: Dave Winer is a great friend and gives good advice. I hope he plays a big role in what we're doing over next year.
- Robert Scoble
@Scobleizer Well said! "I'm doing what I want, not what someone else wants me to do. That's a key attribute to a happy life." Doing what you want is a far more fulfilling path in life. Best of luck!
- JR
Slightly off-topic here but Andrew, nice to see you coming around to FriendFeed. Just the other day you said it makes you fearful and anxious.
- Mike Doeff
Lorin: my productivity is high and just in case I'm going to David Allen's Summit tomorrow to pick up some more tips.
- Robert Scoble
I am hoping you join the Twit network in someway. Makes since with their move into video.
- Tom Mancino
Tom: I'm on the Gillmor Gang with @stevegillmor, which is distributed on the TWiT network. Plus I'm building a studio in my house so I can do shows with @leolaporte. But that's all just for fun. My day job will be something else, although sort of related.
- Robert Scoble
Funny.
- Yuvi
I totally understand the angst, as I'm unemployed for 8 months now, starting my own startup. Keep it going : )
- Alekkus
Alekkus: sorry to hear that. My brothers in law are laid off right now and it's not fun. Of course they don't take my advice, don't blog, don't share their knowledge, don't Twitter, don't LinkedIn. Sigh. You can lead a horse to water, can't make them drink. My new project will try to help create jobs.
- Robert Scoble
wonder if it was that project / app that Robert mentioned awhile ago that we "would be wasting more time on than twitter", i tried to find that feed but.....
- shayne catrett
Shayne: there are more and more people who are Twittering for their jobs. I met a couple of people at Cisco yesterday who told me they sell and support datacenters on Twitter. If you can sell datacenters on Twitter you can sell anything on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
not the most private of places to explain your problems, 140 characters is enough?
- Richard A.
from IM
Can't wait to see what exactly you are doing. My startup is launching our web application (beta) next month. Will ask you take a look yah. Cheers : )
- Alekkus
Richard: 140 characters is enough. Why? URL's to Seesmic, to blogs, to friendfeed, to other places that can have more.
- Robert Scoble
Alekkus: would love to. What will it do?
- Robert Scoble
I'm afraid I can't reveal much now. All I can say, it's a utility that help users to amplify their social identity. I'm in fact currently using that utility to send this message.
- Alekkus
Good luck to you, Robert. I am sure whatever you do next will be amazing.
- Amie Gillingham
Robert: totally agree with that sir. I was just trying to get a little insight into that vague mention you made awhile ago....i will search for that reference when i get home...waiting patiently for your announcement
- shayne catrett
give us a hint: I can't wait till Monday: Please!
- sofarsoShawn <Pop-Rocks>
sofaroshawn: you don't need to wait until Monday. We're announcing it on Saturday on Gillmor Gang.
- Robert Scoble
just two words: saturday is like forever away?
- sofarsoShawn <Pop-Rocks>
Robert - are you recording Gillmor Gang at SXSW?
- andy brudtkuhl
andy: I will be on a Skype link. It's recorded at @leolaporte's studio in Petaluma, CA.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - that's what i thought.. Although it would be cool if you guys did a live recording at SXSW
- andy brudtkuhl
andy: well, I will be live from SXSW. Also, every afternoon I'll be on http://www.ustream.tv/sxsw -- I'll be on 5 p.m. central time.
- Robert Scoble
Being unemployed is the hardest job you'll ever have.
- Melanie Reed
looking forward to hearing more about your new adventures. Congrats & hang on - sounds like you are going for a wild ride... ( the best kind) :)
- Tracy Benham
Glad to hear you got sorted so quickly, Robert. You doing something with Cisco next?
- Sally Church
Will your studio look like Leos?
- Andrew Leyden
Were all unemployed lol
- orionstarr
I hope you were able to do some travelling during your time between jobs...
- Indio Apache
from twhirl
That is the theory behind insecurity.
- Gokul
Congrats on moving forward towards bigger and better things!
- Oren
Congrats on the new job, Robert! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
that was fast!
- Ouriel Ohayon
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