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Re: HTCSense.com will backup and remotely locate / wipe HTC devices - http://www.engadget.com/2010...
"The question is: will the T-mobile G2 be getting these new HTC Sense features?"
- Andrew Ruess
Re: HTCSense.com will backup and remotely locate / wipe HTC devices - http://www.disqus.com/people...
"The question is: will the T-mobile G2 be getting these new HTC Sense features?"
- Andrew Ruess
Re: Since October 7, 2005, I’ve Read 219,651 Stories Via RSS. You? - http://techcrunch.com/2010...
"Wow. From your 168 subscriptions, over the last 30 days you read 22,003 items, clicked 208 items, starred 1 items, shared 501 items, and emailed 56 items."
- Andrew Ruess
Re: Since October 7, 2005, I’ve Read 219,651 Stories Via RSS. You? - http://www.disqus.com/people...
"Wow. From your 168 subscriptions, over the last 30 days you read 22,003 items, clicked 208 items, starred 1 items, shared 501 items, and emailed 56 items."
- Andrew Ruess
Statistical Proof that You Hate Freedom - http://www.dailykos.com/storyon...
This is why I hate Texas.
- Andrew Ruess
The Newspaper Reporter of the Future is Here Today - http://www.micropersuasion.com/2009...
Thomas Hawk, pg holmlov, Ian Betteridge and 13 other people liked this
I think everyone knows (or thinks) this is the future -- but the fundamental question is how does Peter Abraham (and those like him) make enough money to pay him to live, pay for his iphone, pay for his blog hosting, pay for his plane tickets to Florida and pay for his accommodation while there?
- Brian Sullivan
Agreed. That's the real issue. Would Abraham's blog pay for the access needed to make his insights so valuable? Will teams like the Yankees start footing the bill for beat writers to cover the team, which obviously helps market the team? Naturally, that raises a host of other issues.
- Peeta
And if newspapers are going to be any kind of organization beyond the reporter you have to pay for his boss, his bosses boss, the building he works in and the infrastructure to support it. If this is true -- then the future is just the past with an an iphone and a blog.
- Brian Sullivan
Blogging, micropublishing. All of this is just the writing down and cataloguing of the thoughts and conversations people have been having since the beginning of time. And notification, transmission is instant. The major change I foresee is the migration towards so-called A-listers or Content Editors.
- Andrew Ruess
from IM
steve, good one...and you are right big opportunities and more and more reporters doing exactly this. I heard that 95% of the top 100 US newspapers have reporters blogging or doing video and Facebook etc...so you can see the trend is on its way
- Richard Binhammer
@Richard, exactly. This is covered in my trends paper. See trend #2 - Media Reforestation.
- Steve Rubel
Doesn't the newspaper's legacy and brand give him a boost?
- Steve Rubel
Jason -- the answer is that there can't be 100 Yankee sports writers - nor can there be 1000++ photographers and reporters sent to the Olympics but even if you cut it down by one or two orders of magnitude and eliminate all other layers of management and infrastructure and cost there probably still is not enough money to made on the web to support this style of reporting(unless you imagine or invent a vastly different structure for flow of money than exists today).
- Brian Sullivan
Steve -- how long will the brands of newspapers have any value? If they go belly up I think not very long.
- Brian Sullivan
There's no way with today's level of audience that a blogger could make the same amount of money, but if we're assuming that trad. media is going away, won't the readership of blogs go up? Maybe it could work.
- Mr. Gunn
I think I have to agree with Charles Arthur's comment on the thread: "where's the money coming from?"
- Ian Betteridge
YouTube Teams With Congress to Show Lawmakers at Work - http://www.nytimes.com/glogin...
Hahahah! Just what we need... another limelight for the already limelight-starved Congress.
- Andrew Ruess
iPhone IT Software from TUAW - http://www.tuaw.com/2008...
Some suggestions on important IT software to have on your iPhone.
- Andrew Ruess
iPhone IT Software from TUAW - http://www.tuaw.com/2008...
Some suggestions on important IT software to have on your iPhone.
- Andrew Ruess
McCain's Voice Mail to Palin Leaked to Press (Listen) - 236 - The Room - http://www.236.com/blog...
Heheheh, sounds like something they'd do on Conan O'Brian's late show.
- Andrew Ruess
McCain's Voice Mail to Palin Leaked to Press (Listen) - 236 - The Room - http://www.236.com/blog...
Heheheh, sounds like something they'd do on Conan O'Brian's late show.
- Andrew Ruess
Offline NT pw & reg-editor, bootdisk - http://home.eunet.no/~pnorda...
Edits passwords to Windows computers. Love it for breaking into other people's laptops.
- Andrew Ruess
Offline NT pw & reg-editor, bootdisk - http://home.eunet.no/~pnorda...
Edits passwords to Windows computers. Love it for breaking into other people's laptops.
- Andrew Ruess
Apple Offers Additional 60-Day MobileMe Extension - http://support.apple.com/kb...
Wow.
- Andrew Ruess
Penguin United's Quad Charge Station Takes Four Wiimotes Simultaneously - http://feeds.gawker.com/~r...
I can haz?
- Andrew Ruess
Steaprok and Andrew Ruess liked this
I personally think Knol is just fine. I don't know how any AdSense partners are going to get hurt by this.
- Andrew Ruess
from twhirl
Clearly they are biasing the results. I guess that's the beauty of owning PageRank...
- Clay Newton
iPhone app review: Mocha VNC Lite - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
VNC app for the iPhone. AWESOME!
- Andrew Ruess
Amazon.com: The Alphabet Versus the Goddess: The Conflict Between Word and Image: Leonard Shlain: Books - http://www.amazon.com/Alphabe...
Supposed to be a good read.
- Andrew Ruess
Cellet iPod Car Charger - Apple iPhone Car Chargers - EverythingiCafe Store - http://store.everythingicafe.com/cellet-...
Need to pick this up.
- Andrew Ruess
Amazon.com: The United States Of Europe: The New Superpower and the End of American Supremacy: T.R. Reid: Books - http://www.amazon.com/United-...
An excellent read.
- Andrew Ruess
Amazon.com: Sex, Time, and Power: How Women's Sexuality Shaped Human Evolution: Leonard Shlain: Books - http://www.amazon.com/Sex-Tim...
Need to buy to buy this too.
- Andrew Ruess
Phantom Fish - Byline - Google Reader on the go. - http://www.phantomfish.com/byline...
A really nice application for synching Google Reader on the go...
- Andrew Ruess
@1938media we do not allow personal attacks in comments on FastCompany.tv as a matter of policy and have removed several comments like that.
Nick O'Neill, Parth Awasthi, Karim and 41 other people liked this
Where's the comment policy about this? I can't find it.
- Matt Craven
some of the comments I saw before they got deleted were maybe harsh but they weren't personal attacks. they were about the quality of the show not about attacking you or shel. you just deleted every negative comment.
- Marcel Weiß
All comments except one sycophantic one was deleted. And that one looked like it was written by PR. I am really surprised. My suggestion would be to turn off comments. FastCompany is a censor? That's not something their PR people would like as a lead item.
- Frank Roche
To all the folks crying here -- Here is an idea. Create a better show you can. And please don't whine if your comments got deleted. Don't want to get your comments deleted - here is an idea - setup your blog, write a blog post on your blog criticizing to your hearts content. Nobody will delete that.
- Vic Podcaster
Is there any way to delete @vic's comment here? It seems overly negative and sarcastic.
- Frank Roche
This cottage industry that has formed around criticizing Robert and Shel is getting tired and worn. I think the people who are complaining are being disingenuous when they say they are just looking after SAP's money. No one seems to complain about the production quality of certain poorly lit loudmouths spewing in front of an isight. The censorship issue is clearly a red herring. I think someone is jealous of a couple of guys who actually have a sponsorship.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
The comments were attacks and were not constructive criticism.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, please define "constructive criticism" as you see it. It makes no sense that some of those comments were deleted.
- Slobokan
@Scoble - you are normally pretty open about stuff. But your reply seems like a pretty lame cop-out.
- Tom Quinn
blackmailismylife: well, we judged them as attacks. There is, like Jay noted, a group of anonymous people who are just saying negative things about Shel in a way that's personal and attackive. I'm not going to put up with it anymore, at least on FastCompany.tv. Wanna do it somewhere else, like here, fine.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, they are baiting you.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
Constructive Criticism: next time ask a question without saying "um." Attack: you're an idiot.
- Robert Scoble
Jay: that's cool. Comment policy is important. It's not that I'm getting it right. I used to be far more open to letting people post whatever they want, but I'm definitely changing my view to match what you posted.
- Robert Scoble
Cream rises ;)
- Oldengrey (Jay)
Tony: we wrote a book together, are friends, and I like him a lot -- he's helped launch dozens of companies in Silicon Valley. Loyalty in life has served me well.
- Robert Scoble
Tony: well, there will be major changes to the show starting on Friday. I'd love to hear your feedback about how the show goes. Your feedback IS being heard.
- Robert Scoble
1938 should shut up and move on. This crap only gets press because people keep trying to create a scandal.
- Andrew Ruess
from twhirl
The expression "jackalling" is sometimes used to describe the work done by a subordinate in order to save the time of a superior. (For example, a junior lawyer may peruse large quantities of material on behalf of a barrister.) This came from the tradition that the jackal will sometimes lead a lion to its prey. In other languages, the same word is sometimes used to describe the behavior...
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- Oldengrey (Jay)
Trying to create a scandal? Naw, I don't think so. I think people are just concerned about legitimate comments being deleted from fastcompany.tv. It reeks of censorship from within, and it does not look good from the outside.
- Slobokan
Censorship is an issue here. Deleting comments after the fact is not a good thing. If you don't have a policy then at least have comments placed in moderation first so they never appear. The fact that they were public and then removed just looks bad.
- Tom Quinn
Only one of the negative comments was preserved in Google's cache, but I for one would have left it up. Yes, it included the statement "Shel...do yourself a favor and go away," but it did include a valid comment about having the subject of the video actually appear within the first two minutes of the video.
- Ontario Emperor
@Ontario Emperor: Just Googled the comment you mentioned. Reading the whole comment I can see why it was deleted. Have I read worse comments on say Digg? Yes, but let's agree it would have been fine for the person to leave their feedback that they wanted to see the guest Tim Ferris before 2:27 minutes into the show, sign their name to it, and leave it at that.
- Loren Heiny
Someone should setup a comment mirror site or a wayback machine of sorts for blog comments.
- Eddie Codel
Sometimes bad PR may be good PR and I wanted to watch the interview myself: But I have a question Is there a low(er) bandwidth feed available, preferably without Flash?
- Arnd Gronenberg
Matt: our policy is here and covers all Mansueto Digital sites: http://www.fastcompany.com/service...
- Robert Scoble
Lots of professional media sites remove comments for a number of reasons. I'm happy to review the comments again tonight, but FastCompany’s initial review (they were deleted by a team at FC) were that they were pretty classic “troll” attacks. Sites such as NewYorkTimes.com review all comments for personal attacks before posting comments and we have adopted a considerably more open policy than this. But we'll consider all suggestions as to how we should handle our comment policy.
- Robert Scoble
Mooney: that's not constructive. How would you improve them?
- Robert Scoble
You know who you remind me of? The U.S. Government, you subdue all dissenters
- Andrew Fielding
Andrew: really? I didn't delete your comment here, so that proves you are wrong. There are plenty of ways for you to make personal attacks on the Internet. It's just that we're not going to let you do that on our properties. That's what Valleywag, your blog, or FriendFeed is for.
- Robert Scoble
Mooney: I'll personally review your comments shortly, it's also possible our spam filter is catching some of them. A couple of mine are held in moderation too.
- Robert Scoble
I don't see the big deal. People need to stop hyping this up. Companies have a responsiblity to mitigate risk. Taking down hate speech, abusive language, etc. is not a bad thing. Scoble can use FF, and/or his blog to 'keep the conversation' pure if needed. It's not like FC is the ONLY place for a discussion to occur. 1938media needs to chill.
- Ryan
@Robert - this can be an important point "but FastCompany’s initial review (they were deleted by a team at FC)" - does that mean you and Shel (and I haven't watched, so I don't know) did or did not participate or direct the deletion? Maybe there should be some way to keep the comment, since part of it could be useful, and delete the personal attacks with [PA deleted by admin]
- Sean
Don't see what a lot of people are complaining about. FastCompany has every right to remove comments from their own site. If anyone is upset by this they can post their comments elsewhere. It's not like there's nowhere else to post such comments.
- Paul Grav
Thanks for posting the link - but your terms of service open to a blank page (checked on several browsers) and are on fastcompany.com rather than fastcompany.tv - there's no link at all on the fastcompany.tv site - how is someone to know what the comment policy is? Can anyone actually open the terms of service link on fastcompany.com??
- Matt Craven
Sean: Shel was not involved in deleting the comments. My bosses told me they were doing that and I agreed with them. So, the responsibility is mine, but there is a team watching the comments and deleting ones that aren't constructive criticism.
- Robert Scoble
Seth -- I'm wondering if there's a way to be constructively attackive or if being attackive is inherently personal and destruckive.
- Omar Gallaga
I wasn't making a personal attack, I was just saying using a politically charged analogy to say that I believe deleting anything other than spam or vulgar comments is something that shouldn't be done as it blocks the ability for other readers or viewers as it may be in your case, to see what others are thinking. I do however appreciate that you are taking a stance on this and looking in to it. I was going to say more but it seems that there is a maximum limit for comments on FF.
- Andrew Fielding
Matt: http://www.fastcompany.com/service... works here on several browsers. Part 3.2 (i) is the part you are looking for.
- Robert Scoble
BTW I just saw Sean's idea and I think that is a great idea, keep everything but the vulgar or vitriolic personal attack.
- Andrew Fielding
Friendfeed is the new Slashdot!
- paul mooney
Strange, the Service Terms won't load for me. No 404, just no content at all. I value sites that remove nonsense comments and spam, but often find the legitimately critical comments the most interesting. The grey area, of course, is tough, and will obviously piss off people one way or the other. Sometimes the "x comments below your threshold" approach is worth the complexity. Let people see the nonsense if they really want to.
- David Sky
Think you could take a hard lesson from @garyvee - Leave everything up. Taking stuff down leads to harsh discussions like this. Leaving it up rallies your supporters and in the end leaves you better off.
- Mark Drapeau
Weird, I'm getting a blank page now too. I'll get the tech guys to figure that one out. Sorry. I think a server is barfing.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: good point, but this is a business site and we're looking for a different tone to the comment area than, say, you'll see on Gary Vaynerchuk's site, or here on FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
I guess I don't really understand why you folks think that you have some sort of "right" to have your comments--legitimate or otherwise--displayed on FastCompany's site. I'm not a big fan of the material, but I sure don't have any expectation that FC will "publish" my feedback, even if it is constructive. If you want free/open conversation, you have blogs, FF, twitter... lots of venues. Nobody's "rights" are being violated.
- Ken Sheppardson
@Scoble...if this was still your personal site with no affiliation with FastCompany, SAP or any other, would you have handled this the same way?
- ryangraves
At the end of the day, it’s the right of the owner of the blog to have whatever TOS they want. People have to expect that a more mainstream pub will have stricter policies than a personal blog five people read anyway, no? Still, that’s no guarantee because everyone runs things differently. (Just scan the crap on Huffington Post, YouTube or Breitbart and see that TOS mean jack there.) I’ve also seen personal blogs ban people for things like opposing viewpoints. Bottom line: It’s FC’s blog—it’s their rules.
- mtlb
I have to agree with Mark Drapeau. No matter what, it is just better to leave stuff up and let things run their course. If someone attacks and what not, they will slowly lose credibility, even if it doesn't seem that way. I do agree that having people post insulting things is never wanted. When you take an action though you'll always have those ready to pounce and try and discredit you, etc. Just everything in my involvement with online communities has taught me that. Delete dups and link porn lol
- Dean Clark
ryangraves: I've been deleting comments on my personal site too and blocking people here on FriendFeed. I've had enough of jerks in my life. I don't need to have them part of my life anymore.
- Robert Scoble
Ken -- I think it's because people expect guys who are covering Web 2.0 culture to approach it in a Web 2.0 way, not in a "We own this site and can do whatever we want with your (unnecessary) participation" kind of way. I think that's what's angering people. And given the potshots Scoble regularly takes at "Old media" I find it ironic.
- Omar Gallaga
@Mooney: what confuses me is why you or anyone would even want to insult Scoble. he does a very specific thing for a specific audience. he gets incredible access to great companies and people who open up to him because he is genuinely interested in them. that is a rare, valuable thing. he is not the most polished journalist in the world but i and many others are okay with that. i don't like airbrushed journalists who tick off the whos, whats, wheres and whys and move on.
- mike
Dean: I disagree with you. I used to agree. But then I look at how Digg has gone downhill and how YouTube's comments are totally worthless. Omar: Web 2.0 does not mean you have to put up with jerks or trolls. Sorry. If I ever gave you that opinion, then I was wrong.
- Robert Scoble
Andrew, philosophically i agree with you...but anyone who has run some kind of online forum or even blog comment section can tell you that if you let really aggressive, insulting comments become a regular thing, it can drive away the majority of users who would otherwise have a productive discussion. it's fast company's house and they can throw out whoever they want for whatever they want. that ability can be abused but in this case i think they did the right thing. especially since robert is talking here
- mike
I didn't see the comments, but I saw the video and I wish you had asked Tim more about BodyQUICK. I had to look long and hard to find the ingredients and then showed them to a Herbolist. She was very familiar with all the compounds, but laughed because the best of them would have been cheaply sourced and in minuscule quantities and the rest were fillers.
- paul mooney
Paul: I agree. I'm still trying to figure out where that line is too.
- Robert Scoble
Clearly, personal attacks ought to be axed but the line is fuzzy. I say err on the side of letting negative comments stay and address them head on. A negative comment, even one with a personal attack element, if properly addressed will usually do the trick, at least for the onlookers-- you will not sway the detractor, however. And like David Sky, I find the dissent worthy of notice, not negation.
- Joseph Ferrara.Sellsius
Joseph: I used to agree. But if you let unconstructive comments run rampant it just takes over the tone and things turn worse and worse. It's one thing to do something simple like "I sorta like what you're doing, and here's how to make me really like it..." But it's a whole nother thing to come in and just try to make people feel bad. One is a constructive conversation, the other is just "I'm here to make a political point and rip you down." Er, "I wanna be a jerk."
- Robert Scoble
Mooney: why trust a content site at all? Either you like the content you see there, or you don't. If you care about the stuff you see there, but would get a little more enjoyment out of it if it were a little different, then let's have a conversation about that.
- Robert Scoble
Might it be best to deal with this sort of situation by just following a policy of turning off all comments? I don't just mean on this post in particular, but blogs in general. Push the conversation to platforms like Twitter, FriendFeed, the commentator's own blog, etc. Everybody is free to say what they'd like to say, nobody's forced to provide a platform/audience for views they don't agree with, but yet the material/discussion is still out there for anyone who wants to see it?
- Ken Sheppardson
Should the presidential candidates each have to provide some amount of time, on their dime, at the end of their ads/speeches for the other candidate to respond?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken -- that's a dumb analogy and I mean that in the kindest, most constructive way possible.
- Omar Gallaga
If people dont have the brains to make decent comments, or the balls to name themselves, who cares if they are removed. Robert - Shel, just keep doing what you do well guys.
- Scott Purdie
I admit it. I've deleted some blog and forum comments too as well as edited out foul language when needed--though I'm more likely to delete than edit. Editing doesn't seem right. I've also walked away from people that want to endlessly argue about one thing or another, hung up on sales reps calling me and thrown away unopened mail. Should we require everyone to attend to everything anyone wants to say to them?
- Loren Heiny
Omar: I appreciate the feedback. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Mike, i have had leadership roles at forums and on large IRC channels and i know it is hard to police and I also know from experience that annoying and unproductive comments make serious people less enticed to contribute but I also believe that good constructive criticism that is not overtly complimentary has an important place in the discussion (comments as it may be) as well. From what i can tell, some of the comments that were deleted fit this description while others were clearly personal attacks.
- Andrew Fielding
...(continued) that obviously did deserved to be either completely deleted or have specific parts of content censored. .... on a completely different note, I thought FriendFeed had no limit to the size of entries, i keep running into the fact that comments are limited in lenght, argh.
- Andrew Fielding
@Nicholas James I've had personal attacks taken on me in various forms at various locations and I take it all in good fun, if someone is wasting their time to make a personal attack on me I figure that means i've done something well enough to garner their attention and make them feel that i warrant a personal attack, this is all about each person's individual philosophy and what we believe should be the presiding philosophy in this instance.
- Andrew Fielding
On my blog, I ask ZDNet to kill all personal and nasty comments. Those comments inhibit serious discussion among other participants.
- Michael Krigsman
I admin a large online community. You have to be very strict moderating and remove personal attacks immediately. You also have to be very consistent. Leaving attacks up for a long time and then taking them down is the probelm here, you have set the wrong precedent. I agree that personal attacks should be removed but you need to do it consistently from now on.
- Chris Paton
I don't thnk comments need to be constructive though. It's fair to say the videos are not very good without offering solutions (as long as it's said in a non-offensive way). I personally have enjoyed watching many of the videos. Scoble and Shel are not TV personality types, they are just two geeks interested in what they are discussing. If they are discussing something I find interesting too I don't mind if they are sometimes little too close to the mic.
- Chris Paton
@mooney - you said, "Robert: You do understand how horrible your fastcompany.tv videos are?" that is pretty insulting.
- mike
@Andrew Fielding - point well taken. didn't mean to imply lack of experience. just trying to make a point that you obviously already understood. :-) and yes the limit on comment size is frustrating....usually leads me to only putting one space between periods and the next sentences.
- mike
Robert: You are getting it right, especially in the charity you grant differing views. This is the Slashdot vs Digg argument rehashed. Discussion management is the factor which determines your target audience. Slashdot routes around this with their own elaborate moderation/sliding scale system which allows individuals to decide what level of cruft they wish to be exposed to. You are catching flak due to *all powerful* editors making that decision for the populous. A common gripe when editors decide.
- Matt Bidinger
Bravo, Robert!
- Oldengrey (Jay)
@scobleizer Man, this comment thread is soooooooooooooo 2003 ;-)
- Hugh MacLeod
I agree with hugh... you should delete the whole thing and see how loud that makes the moaning and wailing! ;) Only kidding. Seriously tho... you have every right to say whatever you want on your own blog, FF, Twitter, and any other platform that allows you to say it. You do NOT have the right to say it on my blog, FF, Twitter, or any platform that I have control over. It's reality people. Learn to cope.
- Lucretia Pruitt
So what is the issue here? Pretend I'm new. Is this a matter of censorship vs freedom of speech? Is this a matter of personal attacks vs constructive criticism? Either way isn't that all best seen from the eyes of the person who has control to allow or decline those comments? No where am I shown that I am commanded to let people say anything they want on my sites.
- Mike Lewis
Simple solution - someone will register slowcorporationtvsucks.com (or perhaps even use the fastcompanytv name - it may be legally allowable in this instance). Only negative comments will be allowed. Verizon can sponsor to show that they "get it." Whatever "it" is.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
Loren apparently thinks "transparency" implies some kind of obligation to provide a platform for racist fuckwits and their sock puppets.
- Karim
Wow, this is one of the most serious discussions on FriendFeed ... I definitely agree with Robert on this one ... I think everyone deletes personal attacks ... u don't need a policy ... it is a rule of thumb in blogging
- Nick O'Neill
identi.ca gets a Replies tab and becomes a billion percent less shitty
oliver gassner, Evan Prodromou, Harry Myhre and 62 other people liked this
Totally agree.
- Robert Scoble
sam, I think the point is that if Twitter et al implement Open Microblogging, importing won't be necessary
- Kevin L
It needs some "recommended friends" to avoid looking really lame to newbies.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you just want to get recommended there too. Come on, admit it.
- Kevin L
klecu: nice try, but I've been talking about this before I was on recommended systems here: http://thenextweb.org/2008...
- Robert Scoble
I'm still trying to figure out a reason to use identi.ca. Playing around with it. We'll see.
- Dennis Jackson
I don't understand why it was launched WITHOUT a Replies tab in the first place...
- Mark Douglass
I agree with Dennis Jackson, minus the "playing around with it" part.
- ChaCha Fance
Yes, it lacks some basic features, especially if people are looking at it who are coming from twitter. Not having replies really annoys me, enough not to use it.
- jjprojects
GOOD, that is an essential feature... neat to see it growing so quickly - not only with users, but also features
- Susan Beebe
big feature
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
@critics: Identi.ca is worth supporting, because it is open source. The very reason means that it has the potential of attracting third-party developers that create plug-ins, improve the platform or simply host their own Identi.ca-installations. That's a huge thing. Think about Firefox: It is based on Mozilla/Netscape's code, which was created. AOL didn't do anything with it, but others came and created Firefox (and Flock, Sunbird, Songbird, etc.) because it is open. That's Identi.ca's biggest feature.
- sebmos
Next step must be API.
- Sergey Petrenko
sebmos: I'm still learning about Identi.ca. Your comment kind of pushed me back on the site to research it a bit. I can see this going somewhere. :)
- Dennis Jackson
Replies tab on Indenti.ca is big. I'd also like to be able to export my subscription lists. Edit/delete would be nice too.
- Jeff Evans
Nice to see this feature already. I was talking to the dev yesterday and was asking if I can jump in and provide a solution for it. Cool to see that the guy already did it himself :-).
- Alex Popescu
from feedalizr
Mark Douglass - Twitter launched without a replies function as well, you know. And it took a lot longer than a few days for it to arrive.
- hex
So if we wildly extrapolate identi.ca's usability increase, it could potentially surpass Twitter in 3 months and Friendfeed in 6. The question then is: will users migrate and become critical mass on the new service? By now we know that critical mass is more important than QoS, as evidenced by the bird and the whale.
- Ignace Rodriguez de R,
http://identi.ca/your_ni... --- for output of your identi.ca subscriptions -- thanks evan
- Jeff Evans
this is so effing awesome!
- Sarah Perez
(s_dance)
- Hao Chen
identi.ca is irrelevant. It's a step backwards from FriendFeed.
- Thomas Hawk
Whoa, that must of been some seriously shitty software before now, but still shitty I see?
- Andrew Baron
This still is not the distributed version you wanted Dave. And I -with all the respect I owe to its makers- don't think that it will success if all the twitter crowd come in. I hope I'm wrong
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
I think Replies is a setup in the right direction. In fact. it might be the main step. Awesome.
- Andrew Ruess
from twhirl
For me, it's still just idont.ca.re
- Alan Le
Agree with Alan Le. identi.ca doesn't seem like much of an upgrade. It's a distraction from a better solution - getting everyone over to FriendFeed.
- Jon Galloway
Yep, i'm with Jon there... I really don't see the fuss Identi.ca . Why are we getting excited over replies...ridiculous.
- Zee.
These products are all so new. There's plenty or room for experimentation.
- Harry Myhre
Thanks, Dave! And thanks to everyone who had comments and critiques. I know that people have a choice in which service to use. I'd like to make sure that a) the software has features equal or better to other µblog sites b) the architecture is truly scalable -- from small commodity web hosting to >1M user megaservices.
- Evan Prodromou
Working on Mahalo's mission statement. Would love some feedback on it: "We're here to help people easily find information, answers and resources they can trust." - http://any feedback?
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I trust you Jason and Mahalo!
- Larry Miller
from twhirl
Go with the Jerry Maguire manifesto
- stephen o reilly
It's nice, and accurate, but it would be great if we could get something in there about curation. I feel like that's the best description of what it is we actually do.
- Lon Harris
from twhirl
How about mentioning that "We're people helping people easily find info, etc." to differentiate from algorithms?
- Tom Guarriello
Simple and to the point. Thumbs up!
- Will Hirsbrunner
We are here to assist people by easily finding the right information, answers, and resources with a human touch ;)
- Robert Barr
how about something about free pizza and tshirts?
- Stefan Hayden
I think it needs to be more proactive . . . like "We help people find information, answers and resources they can trust."
- Telemill
Yeah Cason I don't think you could've put it more simple
- John Blanton
from twhirl
Jeez, you've been hanging out with Leo too long...sounds like some of the TWiT network's catchphrase has rubbed off. However, it does sum up Mahalo to a T.
- Steve Gillette
from twhirl
It's a great mission statement. Especially with FTGs creating pages, and link checkers (such as mike, debbie, and jeffhoard) checking all user-submitted links. I say that mission statement is a keeper - nice and accurate. PS, Jason, I've left you a few pieces of feedback to your Mahalo email address. ;)
- Chris Thomson
"Don't be google"
- Stefan Hayden
Lon Harris: a mission statement shouldn't get into execution as that is secondary to purpose. Our mission is to help folks find this information, but the way we do that is going to change and evolve. The fact that we currently do curation of links is really not super important to the mission... if we wind up getting a better product using another process (i.e. social bookmarking or semantic search) then we will do that. So, that's why i left out "with humans" or "by using human intelligence."
- Jason Calacanis
Or even . . . "With Mahalo find the information, answers and resources you can trust."
- Telemill
I see your point, but regardless of the process, think Mahalo would always involve some form of curation. Even social bookmarking would "curate" the Web, albeit differently than we do now.
- Lon Harris
from twhirl
Well, it COULD be simpler . . . "Mahalo, information you can trust" but then you sound like a bank for something.
- Telemill
Telecommutingmillionaire: I like the "We" It adds the human element vital to Mahalo without beating you over the head. I agree that it seems long so here's a modification that takes out a few words,but not the meaning: "We're here to help you find trustworthy information, answers and resources." Leaving in the We and the You sends the "by human, for humans" message.
- David Jones
I was musing the other day about whether mission statements still make sense. They remind of offsites and consultants.
- John McCrea
The word information makes "answers and resources" redundant, doesn't it? How about "Mahalo is people connecting people to information they can trust.".
- Joe Coughlin
@Telecommutingmillionaire "Mahalo, information you can trust" also sounds too close to "Netcasts you love from people you trust" from TWiT. For the network that Candace Holly and myself work on I picked the tagline "A Community of Creativity", simple and to the point. But that isn't exactly a mission statement rather than an overall tone.
- The Geek Media
Don't forget to add a vision statement. Mission = What is our business. Vision = What we want to become. You will gain clarity by doing both rather than putting them into one statement. I have an outline that will get you there if you are interested.
- Wade Bowlin
I think it's good. I think there can be a distinction between "answers" and "resources" and encourage you to keep the wording if it is accurate.
- Kimberly J
How about adding something like: We sort through the rubbish, so you don't have to.
- Ross Maguire
I think you should include the words "Real world" somewhere. Like "Solving real world problems."
- jonn
Jason, it is alright, however... I would rather prefer the word "guide" to be placed in there. It shows that your company is more active in assisting the user instead of just "help" which seems more passive.
- James Mowery
from twhirl
needs more... "syngergy." And also some buzzwords indicating a strong human algorithm at work. =)
- Andrew Ruess
from twhirl
Andrew and I seem to be on the same path. That is, again, why I suggest replacing the word "help" with a stronger word. One that represents Mahalo's efforts in bringing the users the best quality information available.
- James Mowery
from twhirl
The tech writer in me wants to cut it down to "We help people easily find information, answers and resources they can trust." I agree that it doesn't emphasize the human element as much as I'd like.
- Brent Newhall
Comment: Interesting that you're crowd-sourcing a mission statement-- seems that a singular point of view would be important. Suggestion: it helps to define scope, focus, and end-result. Right now, your mission statement doesn't appear to drive employees down particular directions when they hit crossroads. Example: Mahalo exists to guide customers to the most relevant and trustworthy answers whenever/wherever they have questions
- Vijay Goel
We suck less than MS Search? :)
- Fred Grott
@David Jones, I still feel you are softening up the "punch" of the statement with "we're here". Take the here out. Rearrange the last few words so it flows off the mind and the tongue . . . "We help you find trustworthy answers, information and resources." Answers should be first, because we all really want good answers. Information is also what we are searching for but it's such a esoteric concept. And please, is there another word we can use for resources? It's just so . . . corporate speak.
- Telemill
Vijay: This isn't crowdsourcing. :-) It's asking the cloud for comments and feedback.
- Brent Newhall
Revisit Guykawasaki's lecture at last years Gnomedex, you'll end up with "Answers you can trust"
- Greg Birch
I hate to say this but it doesn't really catch my attention. It seems too generic.
- Blaine Fleming
It does sound like a corporate mission statement, I might Leo-ize it to "the answers you want, from people you trust." Just because Mahalo seems to be positioned as a friendlier entity than most corporations.
- Robert Morrison
The test would be how many employees can remember, and recite the "mission" no fluff, all my staff know our mission is "to give patients hope" Guy gave a great talk, mission statements that sound great can be found at http://www.netinsight.co.uk/portfol... but they usually fail the staff test. Disney's mission statement "to make people happy" even a CEO can remember that.
- Greg Birch
"we're here to help you find photos of hot chicks a lot quicker than normal"
- Rick
mahalo: we do search without the suck
- Andrew
We're here to help people enjoy finding answers, info and sources they can believe in.
- Mark Alves
"We're here to help people easily find information, answers and resources they can trust by empowering the passionate internet community."
- JustAFeed2000
I didn't realize how much I missed Google Reader. Reading items there I feel a lot smarter than after just reading headlines in FriendFeed. I definitely need to rebalance my reading between the two. Anyone else feel that way?
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Love Google Reader. I end up with both news and insights that I never would have gotten anywhere else.
- BISQ
I can't seem to get away from Google Reader. There's so much interesting stuff in it that haven't been shared to Friendfeed yet. With Toluu, I'm finding more and more things that I like, and just haven't made their rounds on Friendfeed.
- Mark Trapp
Google Reader is my everyday start.
- Håkan Dahlström
I feel like if I don't listen to NPR in the monring I miss the news all together. If I just read the things i see on FF or Twitter I get a whole lot of random web news but not much whole world news.
- Whit Scott
from twhirl
I always read through Google reader before coming to FriendFeed in the morning.
- Louis Gray
Back and forth between the two.
- Andrew Smith
I read everything through Google Reader.
- Josue Sanchez
Absolutely. FriendFeed has a bit of a swiss army knife feel to it at the moment, with lots of folks trying to using it to replace a bunch of specialized tools like feed readers, forums/threaded comment systems, IM, etc.
- Ken Sheppardson
FF has really cut into my feed reading time. I need to rebalance, too.
- Ha3rvey (F please!)
yeah FF is just grabbing more and more of my attention
- Stefan Hayden
Exactly. Feedfeed is great catching trends but I learn more from my regular readings in Google Reader.
- Leon Ho
I used to hit FeedDemon in the morning after email, but now Snackr and Netvibes (thanks to Marshall Kirkpatrick's suggestion) let me get the quick hits and news. I glance at FriendFeed via Twhirl as it ticks by just to see what's up.
- Tris Hussey
from NoiseRiver
Yeah, but I don't necessarily agree that it is Google Reader as much as it's an RSS reader of your choice, with my choice being NetNewsWire.
- Andru Edwards
There's something about seeing the full text of an item that makes reading feeds much more satisfying (and more efficient, because here in FF I have to click on interesting headlines and wait for the item to load to read it).
- Robert Scoble
Google Reader all the way.
- Andrew Ruess
Actually, at this point I prefer SocialMedian - it gives me a fast view w/ summaries
- Lucretia Pruitt
What is it about FF that makes it addictive - that (1) people like it (2) but they still think they are using it too much? Maybe other social media startups need to figure out what the FriendFeed-juice is?
- Mitchell Tsai
The key to Google Reader is balancing volume with quality. I'd rather follow many feeds that have only a few entries per day than those that have dozens.
- Georg
I am using a mixture of FF/Google Reader and Netvibes
- Riaz Kanani
Yes, this is why I really like the practice of using the "Share with a note" feature in Google Reader to quote a relevant part from the original content so that it can appear as a summary comment here on FF
- Vlado Handziski
I moved all my RSS reads to Feedly. It's foundation is Google Reader, but served up in a magazine format. I can get through it in less than half the time as directly through GR.
- Bob Finch
Good lord, Robert -- I never left Google Reader. GR is vastly more efficient for processing news feeds than Friendfeed. With a few tweaks, FF could bring itself up the level of GR, but so far we haven't seen much feedback from FF developers regarding these suggestions. My lead folder in GR is a stream of pure gold with no dross or distracting trivia.
- Sean McBride
FriendFeed is more about specific people. Google Reader is more about feeds in general. We all need to balance the specific and the general.
- Mike Abundo
Would you rather have a sandwich or a snickers bar for lunch? I love the snickers bar, but most days I will definitely choose the sandwich, if I must choose.
- Phil Glockner
I'm a netvibes man, it enables me to peruse 90+ article titles on one page/tab and I have 7 tabs. The sharing option on Google Reader makes me jealous though.
- Toby Graham
For me, FF is good for tech geek stuff, but my GReader is much more science focused so I balance the two probably more in favour of GReader atm
- Sally Church
At one time, I tried reading all my feeds through FriendFeed, but quickly returned to Google Reader...they serve different purposes.
- Chris Rossini
Feedly is quite nice
- LPH™ and his dog P™
I've never stopped reading in my RSS reader (spoonfeedr.com). FriendFeed is much more manageable there than on their website.
- Sam Pullara
I second BSCQ
- Martin Liechti
from fftogo
Starting to use Feedly rather than GReader - it's perfect, stops me reading so many articles without being boring. I looooove it!
- Rich
I find that I read articles on FF that don't show up in Google Reader and everything else in Reader.
- Roberto Bonini
Totally. Plus I have full text and robust filing systems.
- Steve Rubel
from fftogo
Pretty surprised that you even considered ditching a newsreader to begin with. Sure you're feeling ok?
- David Chartier
Google reader is my main RSS feed reader. I'm totally addicted. I just added Feedly and now I get recommeded feeds which add another dimension of social news aggregation.
- Larry Kless
from twhirl
I spend quality time in Google Reader. Try Feedly. It displays your Google subscriptions nicely.
- Michael Tefft
Feedly & FriendFeed are the ticket, gReader alone seems like a one sided conversation.
- Roger Penguino
I'm all about the netvibes: www.netvibes.com/kdoohan
- Kevin Doohan
I honestly don't know what I did before Reader. It is the best thing out there for me, for sure. Plus I can use it on my phone!
- BaltimoreGal (Ann)
I can't stand gReader's inability to start FF-style "conversations" around shared items. And I can't convince my gReader buddies to move over to FF :(
- jakebf
I've abandoned Google Reader and all RSS Readers at this point. Traditional RSS readers are dead as far as I'm concerned. Social filters are much better at delivering content than RSS readers. Every second spent in an RSS reader is a second spent away from a socially filtered news and information experience.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas Hawk: I think that you are right. This is why all RSS readers have evolved towards social filters. Let's not forget that Google Reader invented the concept of shared feeds.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
If you subscribe to the right feeds and blogs, you get a better perspective on the topics you care about. That's something that these services can quite do it as good as a feed reader.
- Jay Cruz
did You try Feedly? It works with GReader, great!
- Luca Conti
Its like reading a newspaper and talking about it. One won't replace the other, so I'm happy with the serious Google Reader _and_ the friendly cosy FF. Thanks to "best of day" I can balance the time spent with both. Not sure I want one app to rule them all :) for now, a mix of GR and FF is quite ok.
- Dani Radu
I'll have to give feedly another look, but lately I've been subscribing to my FF RSS feed in gReader, so almost best of both worlds in one
- nick carrasco
Hey now that you're reading feeds again, how about doing a shared item feed just for new tech products, or features of tech products, or reviews of tech products, even ones that aren't new. I promise I'll use the feed and give you credit of course. I'm going to ask Marshall to do one too (I bet he already does).
- Dave Winer
I jump between the two anyway, I wouldn't abandon one over the other as they both have many plus points!!
- Joe Dawson
yes, deep breath. as awesome as friendfeed is, it's not going to replace google reader, it's not going to replace twitter, it's not going to replace _______ . it makes all these services more useful, but you need a starting point. google reader is one of them.
- MG Siegler
Google reader, never leave home without it! Friendfeed is definitely not a replacement. I see feeds on my reader that don't make it to the Friendfeed universe.
- Alexander van Elsas
Although, I use GR less, I could never do away with it. FriendFeed does help a lot because I find myself marking a lot of stuff read (wish there was an easier way to do that) and being able to move on to to other content.
- Shey
None of these services are an either or thing. They joy is in how they all work together.
- m.0
I suffered your pain. Then, as some kind of experiment, I spent some time creating imaginary friends and tweeking feeds and the list of people and rooms I subscribe here. Awsome, now I cannot think about swapping FriendFeed by something else like an RSS reader. I still have to better manage my FF, specially trying to reduce the noise, but this is definitively better than the "old way"...
- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
I just found 44 items from you on your Google Reader shared items feed. I guess you're back. :) Google Reader allows me to more easily see things from a particular person; if I had to rely on finding them in their FriendFeeds, I'd probably miss them.
- Ontario Emperor
Here's my balance: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Bwana ☠
I don't know if I feel smarter when reading google's reader, but I feel like I am smart when reading it.
- Mike
Robert - a combination of http://mionews.com + creating a private room with your RSS feeds in it may get you best of both worlds. Though I know you don't like that mioNews isn't a river-of-news, but we're working on that :)
- Patrick Lightbody
I feel the same and I like it even if you did not like me saying thanks to friends saying that they liked my roadmap video
- Loic Le Meur
Yes, I'm reading both. I read a lot more than I have time to share, but it helps to have both Google & FF formats available.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I agree but the issue is if I find something there and want to then ind the conversation here about that post I can not easily do so. I can post my own link but it would be nice to find the relevant posts here for any given item in my Google Reader.
- Joel Ordesky
I've been wandering away from Reader for a while. See too many headlines that don't interest me.
- shelisrael1
I tried giving up reader for a day - FF just doesn't replace what an rss reader can provide
- Jesse Stay
They serve two totally different functions in my workflow. Google Reader gives me the news from the outlets I value while FriendFeed gives the news (and other stuff) of the people I value (I wouldn't consider all you internet celebs friends, sorry!). FriendFeed complements Google Reader.
- Dennis Laumen
Yes. In fact, I read my Friendfeed through GoogleReader. For me, FF is a subset of Google Reader. Just another "Outlet."
- Francine Hardaway
FF is great for finding things you may have missed in GReader, but it's no replacement.
- Sarah Perez
Adding my 2 cents to the many comments here - I read both - Google Reader is a must for me and I don't see anything replacing it. FF is the conversation for me.
- Kevin Cearns
GR is news, FF is conversation. They serve different purposes for me.
- brian junyor
from twhirl
GR is daily homework, FF is hanging around with friends
- Nikos Anagnostou
get the cream from Friendfeed and then go on with gReader
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
First of all,FriendFeed & Twitter
- Igor Poltavskiy
Friendfeed needs j + k shortcut keys like Google Reader. It'd make scanning through things much easier.
- Martin Bryant
Survey: What are the three things FriendFeed does better than Twitter?
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1. Comments 2. Importing feeds 3. Uptime
- Mike Wills
Please post seriously, and in order of importance i.e. 1. Less Down time, 2. Threaded comments, 3. No page refresh when posting. 4. larger character limit in posts, 5. inthread images and videos. 6. built in search
- Jason Calacanis
threaded comments, search, importing feeds
- Anthony Farrior
Context communication. I can have a conversations here. in twitter everything you say is out of context.
- NoahDavidSimon
The floor routine, the biathlon, and the long jump.
- Richard Klein
1. Conversations.... hands down.
- Stefan Hayden
It's not showing a picture of a whale when I want to post a comment. I'd say that's "better".
- Robert Accettura
(1) Aggregate data feeds (2) promote group interaction (3) direct you to interesting content in other places on the web. It's only a direct competitor in terms of competition for a user's attention, imho. Twitter is a messaging service.
- Ken Sheppardson
filtering, speed
- Graham Garland
1. Uptime, 2. Conversation, 3. Aggregation from other services
- Al Degutis
from twhirl
uptiime, uptime, and uptime.
- Glen Stansberry
from twhirl
oh... you didn't specify a form: (1) contextual (2) less down time (3) less elitist.. hierarchial, but creates community
- NoahDavidSimon
For starters it seems to be reliable. But as I saw posted over the weekend, FF does much more than twitter and is not a good replacement for the simple 140 char posts.
- bjmac
1. Comments 2. Search 3. Rooms
- J Allen
Well, it doesn't seem to fail all the time. That's a good one to start with.
- Martin Betts
from Alert Thingy
1. Engaging discussion platform; 2. More effective content/people discovery system; 3. More partylike dot-com-style office environment
- Jeremy Toeman
Can we please stop comparing Twitter and FriendFeed? I love them both equally.
- Mack D. Male
1. Uptime 2. Importing Feeds 3. Character Limits 4. Comments
- pcnerd37
1. Threaded comments easier to view full conversation, 2. Less down time. Now ask what Twitter does better than FF, have an answer for that too.
- Lucretia Pruitt
3. Sounds sarcastic but true....No crashing!!!
- Robert Barr
It stays up and running and allows better conversations. =)
- Andrew Ruess
1) Easier to follow discussions / threads 2) More visual (e.g. Flickr thumbnails) 3) no 140 char limit makes it easier to have in-depth discussions.
- Mike Doeff
1. Aggregation of feeds and services (better than Jaiku) 2. Threaded comments 3. integration of images and video
- Pascal Sijen
Perhaps this question should have been, what doesn't it do better?
- Ivan Stegic
It doesn't crash all the time, yet. Threading of conversations, Great way to share all your sites in one place.
- Mark Ramsey
1. Threaded comments=conversations; 2. Discovery (though this noise is also it's worst attribute); 3. Longer comments (I could not post this full response in Twitter). Uptime is a given, so not bothering to rank.
- Barry Graubart
I guess after my last comment, I needed to start the alternate survey. So here is the converse question: What does FF not do that Twitter does well?? http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Ivan Stegic
1) Aggregation 4) No limit on message lengths 5) of feeds 2) Conversation 3) Availability ...PLUS...4) No limit on messages 5) Response time 6) Blog Comments integration
- Larry Kless
from twhirl
conversation is the clear winner, the down time one is hard to say until the people that are on twitter flock to here and put this system under load. It could fold up like a tent in a tornado just as badly as twitter is under heavy load.
- Tom Boucher
This, the ability to thread comments based on the original statement.
- Paul Barton
Jason ... You can ask that, but Twitter does things better than FriendFeed as Well: Messaging is the Big One. FriendFeed does not lend itself well to directing messages at people, or statuses
- Tyler (Chacha)
from twhirl
Nothing. I don't use it very much, had to sign in just to comment here ;)
- Søren Hugger Møller
1. Uptime, 2. Search, 3. Friend of friend
- brian junyor
I agree with other commenters that there are things that Twitter does better. Different tools for different needs. I use both and I have no plans to drop Twitter.
- Mike Doeff
uptime + threading
- Sean Scott
uptime, threading and uptime
- h1ro
Jason, it's like asking what three things do the Marine Corpse do better than the New Jersey Devils. In the area the two services do have in common, being able to see all replies connected to the original item is where FriendFeed is better.
- Dewald Pretorius
1. friendfeed obviously has better uptime, at least so far. -1. friendfeed doesn't let you put CR/LF in comments. 2. friendfeed does a much better job of aggregating content from many different sites. 3. friendfeed can push content back out to some of those sites (e.g. sending replies to twitter). I haven't yet looked for friendfeed clients/front-ends, but I miss Tweetr, which I use for Twitter. Sometimes the friendfeed web page stops auto-updating for me.
- Richard Klein
I love the ability to comment and to more easily follow conversations.
- Jill Howard Allen
comments you can follow, pictures and videos are right here, integrates feeds. Will your next question be what are 3 things Twitter does better than FF? Some things are lacking here too.
- Carolyn Chan
Aggregation and self-contained conversation
- Michael Gaines
it helps you get information accross multiple sources and updates, including twitter if your twitter client isnt working at that exact moment.
- Michael Garrison
1. comments/conversation presentation 2. performance 3. groups (rooms) - other features like feed importing are not core features of twitter nor should it be. why should twitter import my posts from elsewhere that are more than 140 chars and/or contain media elements? twitter and friendfeed are not true competitors though some features can be compared such as the ones i and many others here are pointing out.
- sull
Uptime would be the only thing it does better IMHO. But, I will say, very different tools.
- Trae Ruge
Aggregation
- Austin Hamilton
Wrong question; should be asking what Twitter does better than Friendfeed.
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
1. Aggregation of multiple data sources, 2. Availability, 3. No illustrated cartoon error pages (at least none that I've seen).
- Gregg Hartling
Aggregation, uptime
- Spectacles for Humanity
Jason, do you plan to aggregate these results and share them with us? Would be interesting to see all of this in a pie chart.
- Mike Doeff
It does a much better job of trying to be Jaiku :)
- Tobias H. Michaelsen
I came here to try to find out because I'm signed up for FF but don't like it so far.
- Liz
Everything? I *never* understood the appeal of Twitter, it seems the most useless application on the planet - especially with (because of) the inane 140 character limit. Friendfeed on the other hand has a clear value in terms of aggregating and sharing lots of disparate content, especially for those of us using multiple services
- Eric P
1. It's not down. :: 2. Multi-person-discussions are possible. :: 3. Following useful conversation is easy. 4. Getting people to comment on own stuff is easier (through "XXX (friend of YYY) shared ..."-feature).
- sebmos
I feel like you can more easily interact with new people and ideas. However, the size limit on Twitter makes it much easier to deal with throughout the day. Just joined FriendFeed today, so still exploring it.
- Mark
Ever notice how new products almost never make it on TechMeme these days. They don't even appear. This is loop back to why I started blogging. The industry press was ignoring the interesting stuff and only paying attention to what the BigCos were doing. Time for a new route-around coming soon?
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FriendFeed, for now, seems to working well as long as you don't only follow the a-list.
- Ray Grieselhuber
There is a risk in Friendfeed that you will only ever see the comments of a small subset of the FF population - interspersed with the odd Friend of... who may make it "In" - Rooms has the potential to widen the gene pool but sticking to the friends tab can definitely limit the number of names you will see...
- David W
I don't feel a need to reinvent the web inside of FF. However it is part of what I do, in the same way Twitter is. I like FF better, but only marginally better. It's very far from the ideal. None of these guys have managed to combine all the elements the way plain old HTML does it so well. It's nice in some ways but a big step backward in others.
- Dave Winer
oh don't you worry the "BigCos" and slooow media will always end up being displaced; it's a law of nature, soon to be documented and displaced
- Billy Shipp
from twhirl
Yeah. It's a big old loop we're in. And watch for the moments when new products don't get any air. That means the routearound is just about to begin.
- Dave Winer
BTW its weird but Techmeme is down now. What a day!
- Dave Winer
reinventing if needed is fine but to get a new look I guess, it's like starting over again a little bit.
- Jack
Dave: I disagree to a point. If you look at Techmeme stories from my blog in May and June alone, you can see stories on Loud3r, Feedly, Disqus, Sezwho, FFToGo, and Shyftr, for example. It could be that Techmeme is accurately monitoring the most discussed blogs, and that the vast majority of these blogs are talking less about new products. Link: http://tinyurl.com/4nscbe
- Louis Gray
Dave, I don't disagree, but having said that I don't believe its Technemes fault, it is designed to follow the peak noise and ultimately thats around the big players. What we need is a techmeme like service that blocks techcrunch and any mention of a defined list of companies such as google, facebook etc so we can cut through the noise
- Duncan Riley
from fftogo
Nah, I think the blogosphere and devices like Twitter and FriendFeed show me cool things all the time. When you rely on one aggregator/editor for information... things you are interested in slip through. If you leave it up to crowdsourcing, you see what you want.
- Andrew Ruess
Louis -- that's kind of the point -- those products didn't launch well, and with no slight to you -- I haven't heard of them because I depend on TechMeme to tell me what's important in the tech world. TechMeme does what it does well, but it has some real limits and the industry has shaped around those limits, just as the industry shaped around the limits of the press in the pre-Internet era and during the browser and Java wars in the 90s.
- Dave Winer
Dave, what are you thinking about?
- feedlyqa
I think there needs to be a website where people can list the new products and services, that way its very easy to find out and support new services like SocialBrowse and A.viary that I would have never found if it wasn't for the invites friendfeed channel
- Tyler (Chacha)
Feedly, generate a daily RSS feed (archived) of the user's posts. Here's an example. http://twitter.scripting.com/daveRss...
- Dave Winer
are you thinking of a parallel twitter system based on RSS and an associated XXXmeme?
- feedlyqa
Dave, I guess the answer is on your website http://www.scripting.com/ (note: permalinks on the website seem to be broken). how do you envision people creating http://twitter.scripting.com/daveRss...? SwitchAbit? Friendfeed? (or the point is that you do not care?)
- feedlyqa
@Chacha i made a new product/software category @ http://www.socialmedian.com/ try *solacetech* as an invite code and tell me if that's what you had in mind
- Anthony Farrior
I would find it interesting to hear less breaking news and new startups. Instead more analytics on the guys that are doing it right. Why are they successful? Nine out of 10 new startups don't seem to be launching something that addresses an actual need, instead they launch a technology. We have enough technology already, so that fails. And providing us with next gen social ad business models ain't going to work either ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
I really liked Fred Wilson's suggestion to make a TechMeme that was for individual bloggers only. No branded blogs like TechCrunch, Engadget, VentureBeat... just Scripting, AVC, Scoble, etc. This would cast a much more individual net, which I think would really increase diversity. PeopleMeme
- Jason Calacanis
Jason, a good idea:-) BTW TechMeme could be improved vastly if it could ignore 3 types of post: 1) any posts that say "Breaking News" 2) posts that copy the exact content of another post and add 1-2 lines to them (echo echo) 3) Anything, and I mean anything that discusses the performance of Twitter at this moment. Removing any of those would make TechMeme probably 100% more interesting and diverse already. Is Gabe listening? ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
Alexander, Gabe always listens. He's one of the best I've seen for monitoring his service online. He's out of town until July 8th, so may be checking things less.
- Louis Gray
Well they sound like easy fixes, so I hope he has the time to implement them. Come to think of it, it would be great if each of us can have it's own TechMeme algorithm ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
BTW Louis, it seems YOU are always listening too ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
I have been reading TechMeme less and less lately. I guess that means it's about to go mainstream! :-)
- Robert Scoble
My route-around is to read Louis Gray. That's for sure. But he'll be slowed down by two new babies. But I have a lot to say on this topic. The thing is that the early adopters are way ahead of most of the world and the rest of the world needs to catch up before we can see a ton of new stuff again that'll be successful. In the area of work, for instance, on the Office 2.0 database there are more than 800 services. How many of them have any of us tried? I bet a VERY SMALL percentage.
- Robert Scoble
Can't slow me down. My Thursday/Friday gap was as we were at the hospital, fattening up Sarah, but my bet is that's a blip. Two new services, never blogged about by anyone ever on Techmeme, hit the blog today. :-)
- Louis Gray
I have to disagree. Been seeing more new sources as relatively unknown sources appearing on Techmeme all the time (possibly not this past week?) ... but I read Louis ... and sometimes Robert too :)
- Charlie Anzman
I hope Sarah gets fat enough to release louis from fear so he can help us again :-)
- Francine Hardaway
from twhirl
dont forget http://emilychang.com/go/ehub ! all new products there
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
from fftogo
Yep, I'm listening, and appreciate the ideas. But I'm in disagreement with many people here. I can't give alot of weight to requests for coverage of new products from people who provide coverage of new products (or the products themself). And I can't give undue weight to requests for more personal blogs from personal bloggers. These suggestions are somewhat helpful, but don't speak for...
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- Gabe Rivera
It would be interesting to see if someone were to calculate a success/fail ratio on these new products AND relate that to the amount of hype created in some breaking news blogs. I could tell you the outcome, no correlation at all. You either execute right or you don't. The power of the "Hype Blog" review isn't sustainable or accessible for users beyond the early adopters.
- Alexander van Elsas
maybe it's just me, but i think there's a "fatigue bar" that keeps going up to get people excited about new products. i think it's more interesting to talk more about things that appear to be getting some traction than any smart little thing that releases. traction > launching
- Charles Hudson
I get paid to write about start-ups, but usually it's those that raise funding, make a splash or do something new. We can read about big company news almost anywhere. I'm with Charles, though. Not every start-up is worth the virtual ink. How do you strike a balance? That would be up to Gabe's secret sauce.
- Dan Kaplan
I like what Charles said. Very often, where there's traction, there's a story. What happened? Why is this catching on? What made the difference? What kind of people are using it? How is it spreading? Etc., etc.
- Gabe Rivera
More information = more usability. Hope to see some new developing things on Techmeme soon.
- Mark Frost
I agree in part with Gabe, but disagree too. TechMeme attracted me because it was different than what was on Google News. Now it's getting to be big-city news and isn't as interesting as hanging out in FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Finding all most new products worth trying via twitter/friendfeed (techmeme new product launches usually = techcrunch = PR relationship with MikeA = not enough reason to give a crap pour moi )
- leigh himel
re: a 'Techmeme' that is 'personal' -- A recent blog post from Nick Bradbury explains how the "popular topics" feature on FeedDemon is sort of like a meme-tracker limited to those blogs to which one subscribes ( http://urlzen.com/6u ). Obviously, this is not a Techmeme replacement, merely an attempt to add another means to view the conversation flow.
- Rex Hammock
Gabe, to be clear, I don't think TechMeme should change. I think we need to flow around it though, provide other ways for people to find what's new. We used to have weblogs.com before the blogging world got too big and the spammers discovered it. Digg is even more of a concentrator than TM, so that isn't what I want. Oddly I don't think it's an algorithmic thing. You and I tend to view things diametrically opposite. I think human beings are the answer, you think algorithms. I think we're both right. :-0)
- Dave Winer
A very basic work around, filtering some of the noise from Techmeme http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes... or the RSS direct http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes...
- Duncan Riley
Actually aggregation only makes sense in a peer/social context: what is my social graph talking about? Search will become social - differently from what Mahalo is. #workingonit ;)
- oliver gassner
Re: Hey Scoble — you’re killing Twitter - http://www.mathewingram.com/work...
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"ianbetteridge: that might be true, but there's plenty of stuff I stick with and don't find horrible jagged edges which cause me deep pain to where I want out. Facebook, for instance, has some really severe problems that keep it from being a business utility (more news will break on yet another guy who got kicked off that service for behaving normally). Twitter? I love the idea of Twitter, but it's 1/3 down right now (the most important part, for me, which is the IM client). FriendFeed? I've put a lot of stuff into there in the past two months and it's always been fast and responsive. Twitter had problems far earlier in its lifespan in terms of reliability than FriendFeed has had yet. Now, will something better come along than FriendFeed? Probably. That's part of this life. I remember back in the 1980s everyone was on BBS's. No one even remembers what those are now. Then we moved to Prodigy. That's gone today. Then we moved to AOL. Most early adopters aren't on that. Then we moved to..."
- Robert Scoble
Scoble: At least two of us remember BBS's. FF rooms reminded me of those days.
- Russellreno
People make fun of Scoble and twitter. Don't want the conversation? Don't follow Scoble.
- Andrew Ruess
if we were to look back would we see a conversion titled "prodigy is way better than usenet"? Or maybe AOL and IRC can get along?
- Doug Brooks
Twitter concept is cool, service is a disaster. Totally frustrating as a user. could never recommend to anyone at this point. I think it's really about actions speaking louder than words
- Michael Gartenberg
I'm sorry Scoble, but you don't look old enough to remember using Prodigy, not to mention BBSes. Or is that freshly-scrubbed face entirely a product of unbridled enthusiasm? If not, please inform me where you found the Fountain. All these years I've always thought it was beer and broadband that kept me looking young.
- Rick Powell
@Rick - I know Robert's around my age, and I used BBSes and Prodigy... heck, I've had a functional email address (at least one) since 1982. Yes, times change and we all move on - but I'm still hoping Twitter pulls it out. I like Twitter, I don't *want* to drag everyone over to the next place yet. But I will admit that I've been spending more & more time on FF... and the number one reason for that is that Twitter keeps borking.
- Lucretia Pruitt
Eh? I'm 29 and I used BBSes when I was a kid.
- Mark Warren
Wow. The term "early adopter" seems like an understatement used for the folks on FriendFeed. That's a graduate thesis in itself.
- Rick Powell
I'm 29 too, and I ran BBSes and used Prodigy. I remember using INN too. http://is.gd/ouq
- donato
from twhirl
FF reminds me of the fun I had on UseNet newsgroups 1982-1999 (never much of a BBS fan). Slashdot was ok, but I never got drawn in by the commenting because there seemed to be so much 'crap'...and from all these people I didn't know. BBSs, Prodigy, CompuServe, AOL, Yahoo - all seemed pretty boring to me. FlyerTalk was the first post-UseNet internet community which attracted me (2002). Then Facebook (July 2007).
- Mitchell Tsai
Yikes, I guess I am an early adopter. BBS's that made me chuckle.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I remember BBSs when I was in high school 1977-82 (Began 1972 or 1978 according to Wikipedia), and peaked in popularity 1996 according to Wikipedia (which isn't always accurate) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... Not that long ago...
- Mitchell Tsai
Well, using today's killmeme you'd have to phrase it as, "Prodigy is going to kill BBSes" or "UUCP bang paths need to die," etc. But yeah shelf life tends to be very short. (Though I hear ProComm Plus is still being sold somewhere.)
- Karim
I beta tested Prodigy and was interviewed about it by some newspaper. I said one day the advertising would probably be context-sensitive. But did I run out and patent that? Noooooooooo...
- Karim
http://xrl.us/bmazc twitter is totally f#(%ed
- NoahDavidSimon
i remember being very happy when a new BBS had a dedicated phone line and could connect at 2400
- Nicķ
I ran a BBS on an acoustic coupler - a lot of waking up there.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
yet another BBSer. Ran one in the 207 from '87 to '91. The days!!
- Anthony Citrano
BBS op roll call - I ran "The Penthouse BBS" and was a sometime co-op and did a little coding on "The Dragon's Weyr" - running on CP/M before DOS under "Multi-link" :)
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
It's just gonna be me isn't it. I am such a nerd.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
how can you kill something thats already dead?
- Tyler Gillies
"On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero." -- Fight Club
- Karim
Prodigy, BBSes... I used 'em. I had BITNET and Compuserve email addresses on my business cards in 1990! And now I'm rocking a long ponytail...
- Bill Sodeman
from fftogo
Robert Scoble is responsible for killing Twitter. Did he tell them to use Tumblr too ? - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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If Twitter can't handle this kind of load it should just close down. FriendFeed is keeping up just fine. Why is that?
- Robert Scoble
@Robert, FriendFeed does not have the traffic that Twitter does according to Alexa and others. However, I believe there is an inherent difference in their architectures as well. Twitter was written as a messaging application, whereas friendfeed is a big database application importing feeds. At least that is the way I see it.
- Rob Diana
Alexa and others are bullshit sources for traffic and you know it. I have 11,556 followers on FriendFeed. A large percentage of which (most) have joined in last two weeks. That's not enough time to show up on Alexa (which is HORRIBLY unreliable lately). FriendFeed IS a messaging application. Just because you don't use it that way doesn't mean that's not how a lot of US are using it that way.
- Robert Scoble
I'm a little puzzled why you're so angry at a service that you get for free that's become popular enough that they're having trouble keeping the wheels on. It's frustrating to me, too, but "if they can't do it right now, they should just quit" seems a little over the top.
- Ryan Waldron
Ryan: these services are NOT free. My time is NOT free. My attention is NOT free. Glad you see your time as worthless, but mine most certainly is not.
- Robert Scoble
If they are free, how did Evan Williams talk Google into spending millions of dollars on Blogger? (Which, by the way, had exactly the same kind of scaling problems, so it makes me think that Evan and team just don't care about building systems that are very fast and can stay up with unexpected loads).
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Then don't use them. No one is press-ganging you.
- Ian Betteridge
The only reason I used alexa (which is down or something lately) is that there was almost an order of magnitude difference. I see Twitter as a global IM application which obviously has issues when you scale to the amount of traffic. FriendFeed seems to be closer to a more traditional store and query application. I am talking architecture, not usage. I would love to know if there is a reliable way to get traffic numbers given the amount of API usage as well. Also, I am not defending twitter in any way.
- Rob Diana
Can I put on my Capt Obvious hat and say this is going to be a huge PR blunder for Twitter? I think I just did, but if Twitter can't handle this load, it will never handle mainstream popularity when that happens!
- Mike Lewis
Sorry for the multiples, forgot something. FriendFeed as a messaging application is interesting as I did not think it would work. However, it is working very well much to my pleasant surprise.
- Rob Diana
C'mon, Robert, no need to be sarcastic. I'm not suggesting your time (or anyone's) is free; I'm saying that the service is "free", which means "you don't pay money for it". We can quibble about semantics, but it still doesn't answer the question, which is: why do you act so personally offended? I read the dev post; it certainly didn't sound like anyone was criticizing YOU, just pointing out what type of events caused a load bulge that they can't handle.
- Ryan Waldron
BTW, this is pretty much my first experience in a conversation on FF, largely because you and a few others have beaten the drum loudly enough about it that I wanted to see. Maybe soon I'll be mad at Twitter, too. :)
- Ryan Waldron
Rob: problem is that FriendFeed is a far newer service than Twitter is. It will be smaller. I'd guess Twitter has two million accounts, with about 200,000 actives. I'd expect FriendFeed to be about 200,000, with a lot higher percentage of actives (cause everyone is new here and people haven't had time to sign up and then abandon, like many Twitter accounts have been abandoned). That said, in terms of traffic, the sheer traffic through here is very high. Remember, most people put a lot more stuff into here.
- Robert Scoble
Rob: I've been throwing thousands of messages into the system here and it just impresses more and more and more. Wait until you figure out some of the cool stuff here, like the search engine.
- Robert Scoble
Fixing scaling problems is not rocket science. But it helps to have some experience to have seen the issues and pros/cons of various architectures/solutions. I'm starting to dump some of my stuff into FriendFeed...to use it as a personal diary...and I'm a heavy user of stuff...the performance has been 95% excellent. Beats the performance of Safari/Firefox (which can't handle my load, and have to be rebooted often!)
- Mitchell Tsai
@Robert: Please, please! Don't ever come over freenode IRC channels, we still need the Internetz :)
- directeur
Robert, I am well aware of the coolness here. I am an active developer on the API so the "power" they have unleashed is awesome. I am surprised at the speed of growth here as well. I think by the end of the summer we will have a good idea how scalable FF really is. Given the google background, I really doubt it will be a big issue.
- Rob Diana
Putting lots of stuff in isn't an issue. If there were one or two "super-users" on Twitter, you could probably post twice as much into it as you do here, Robert. But when you have hundreds (maybe thousands) of "spam" accounts which have thousands of friends, and "super-users" who have 10's of thousands, every single message gets replicated a lot. FF has nowhere near the number of super-connected users... yet. Connections, not just rapid updates, are what matter.
- Ian Betteridge
Time for Jaiku!
- Andrew Ruess
@Robert: I think it's funny that you say stuff like "If Twitter can't handle this kind of load it should just close down". I mean, aren't you supposed to be Twitter's biggest fan?
- Mack D. Male
apparently Big twitter Fan = "Big twitter Problem" in twitter's eyes
- Susan Beebe
http://xrl.us/bk97j can't we all just get along? With 3000 and under friends please
- NoahDavidSimon
Scott, I agree with you 100%. To say that FriendFeed is better than Twitter because it appears to be more stable, is like saying that an apple is fresher and than an orange because it's green. The two services are different, with different architecture and scalability issues. I didn't see the Twitter Dev post as laying blame on the popular Twitter users. They described certain actions of popular users as a source of huge database queries, but they've made it clear that the issue is with their architecture.
- Dewald Pretorius
By the way, Robert, remember this? http://www.flickr.com/photos....
- Dewald Pretorius
I once stressed tested software by creating a multiplier effect, it brought down the system and I was blacklisted by the developer. Wonder if there is correlation when Scoble sends more than 5 twitters in a row with twitter downtime??
- Pokai
Dewald: Twitter does rock, if they fix their problems.
- Robert Scoble
Im thinking that twitter the company may not make it. The idea of twitter the way information flows,rss, etc will be around for a long time
- Dave Peck
C'mon people, Twitter is the only one responsible for killing Twitter. This post is silly.
- Ryan
http://xrl.us/bmazc tweets totally f#(%ed twitter the problem is 3000 friends or more on any network Robert Scoble! What is your real motive? MARKETING! with the kind of following you have, you should be taking on more social responsibility (no not soup kitchens... you should be involved in the social issues between people other then yourself. People are getting harrassed by your so...
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- NoahDavidSimon
Robert, if that's how you truly feel, then I don't understand why you've been so critical of them lately. They've acknowledged publicly that their architecture is the problem. They've told us what they're doing to fix it. What more do you want Twitter to do? Let's rather give them some support. I mean, it's not like you can ask for a refund. *cough*
- Dewald Pretorius
Evolve or die. If you cannot scale you should be selling something that doesn't (clothing, cars, food, etc.).
- Sam Levine
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