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Tim takes apart Google's supposedly improved indexing of Adobe Flash to see whether it really delivers on the promise of Adobe Flash being SEO friendly.. no spoilers from me - Andy Beard

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So how many tech bloggers realised that they were "briefed" on Google just implementing the Adobe Flash search SDK which has been around for a while, and it doesn't make flash SEO friendly. - Andy Beard via Bookmarklet

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“Ever notice how new products almost never make it on TechMeme these days. They don't even appear. This is loop back to why I started blogging. The industry press was ignoring the interesting stuff and only paying attention to what the BigCos were doing. Time for a new route-around coming soon?”

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FriendFeed, for now, seems to working well as long as you don't only follow the a-list. - Ray Grieselhuber

There is a risk in Friendfeed that you will only ever see the comments of a small subset of the FF population - interspersed with the odd Friend of... who may make it "In" - Rooms has the potential to widen the gene pool but sticking to the friends tab can definitely limit the number of names you will see... - David W

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I don't feel a need to reinvent the web inside of FF. However it is part of what I do, in the same way Twitter is. I like FF better, but only marginally better. It's very far from the ideal. None of these guys have managed to combine all the elements the way plain old HTML does it so well. It's nice in some ways but a big step backward in others. - Dave Winer

oh don't you worry the "BigCos" and slooow media will always end up being displaced; it's a law of nature, soon to be documented and displaced - Billy Shipp via twhirl

Yeah. It's a big old loop we're in. And watch for the moments when new products don't get any air. That means the routearound is just about to begin. - Dave Winer

BTW its weird but Techmeme is down now. What a day! - Dave Winer

reinventing if needed is fine but to get a new look I guess, it's like starting over again a little bit. - Jack

Dave: I disagree to a point. If you look at Techmeme stories from my blog in May and June alone, you can see stories on Loud3r, Feedly, Disqus, Sezwho, FFToGo, and Shyftr, for example. It could be that Techmeme is accurately monitoring the most discussed blogs, and that the vast majority of these blogs are talking less about new products. Link: http://tinyurl.com/4nscbe - Louis Gray

Dave, I don't disagree, but having said that I don't believe its Technemes fault, it is designed to follow the peak noise and ultimately thats around the big players. What we need is a techmeme like service that blocks techcrunch and any mention of a defined list of companies such as google, facebook etc so we can cut through the noise - Duncan Riley via fftogo

Nah, I think the blogosphere and devices like Twitter and FriendFeed show me cool things all the time. When you rely on one aggregator/editor for information... things you are interested in slip through. If you leave it up to crowdsourcing, you see what you want. - Andrew Ruess

Louis -- that's kind of the point -- those products didn't launch well, and with no slight to you -- I haven't heard of them because I depend on TechMeme to tell me what's important in the tech world. TechMeme does what it does well, but it has some real limits and the industry has shaped around those limits, just as the industry shaped around the limits of the press in the pre-Internet era and during the browser and Java wars in the 90s. - Dave Winer

Dave, what are you thinking about? - feedlyqa

I think there needs to be a website where people can list the new products and services, that way its very easy to find out and support new services like SocialBrowse and A.viary that I would have never found if it wasn't for the invites friendfeed channel - Chacha

Feedly, generate a daily RSS feed (archived) of the user's posts. Here's an example. http://twitter.scripting.com/d... - Dave Winer

are you thinking of a parallel twitter system based on RSS and an associated XXXmeme? - feedlyqa

Dave, I guess the answer is on your website http://www.scripting.com/ (note: permalinks on the website seem to be broken). how do you envision people creating http://twitter.scripting.com/d...? SwitchAbit? Friendfeed? (or the point is that you do not care?) - feedlyqa

@Chacha i made a new product/software category @ http://www.socialmedian.com/ try *solacetech* as an invite code and tell me if that's what you had in mind - Anthony Farrior

I would find it interesting to hear less breaking news and new startups. Instead more analytics on the guys that are doing it right. Why are they successful? Nine out of 10 new startups don't seem to be launching something that addresses an actual need, instead they launch a technology. We have enough technology already, so that fails. And providing us with next gen social ad business models ain't going to work either ;-) - Alexander van Elsas

I really liked Fred Wilson's suggestion to make a TechMeme that was for individual bloggers only. No branded blogs like TechCrunch, Engadget, VentureBeat... just Scripting, AVC, Scoble, etc. This would cast a much more individual net, which I think would really increase diversity. PeopleMeme - Jason Calacanis

Jason, a good idea:-) BTW TechMeme could be improved vastly if it could ignore 3 types of post: 1) any posts that say "Breaking News" 2) posts that copy the exact content of another post and add 1-2 lines to them (echo echo) 3) Anything, and I mean anything that discusses the performance of Twitter at this moment. Removing any of those would make TechMeme probably 100% more interesting and diverse already. Is Gabe listening? ;-) - Alexander van Elsas

Alexander, Gabe always listens. He's one of the best I've seen for monitoring his service online. He's out of town until July 8th, so may be checking things less. - Louis Gray

Well they sound like easy fixes, so I hope he has the time to implement them. Come to think of it, it would be great if each of us can have it's own TechMeme algorithm ;-) - Alexander van Elsas

BTW Louis, it seems YOU are always listening too ;-) - Alexander van Elsas

Maybe the route-around is to read Louis Gray. - Jason Kaneshiro

I have been reading TechMeme less and less lately. I guess that means it's about to go mainstream! :-) - Robert Scoble

My route-around is to read Louis Gray. That's for sure. But he'll be slowed down by two new babies. But I have a lot to say on this topic. The thing is that the early adopters are way ahead of most of the world and the rest of the world needs to catch up before we can see a ton of new stuff again that'll be successful. In the area of work, for instance, on the Office 2.0 database there are more than 800 services. How many of them have any of us tried? I bet a VERY SMALL percentage. - Robert Scoble

Can't slow me down. My Thursday/Friday gap was as we were at the hospital, fattening up Sarah, but my bet is that's a blip. Two new services, never blogged about by anyone ever on Techmeme, hit the blog today. :-) - Louis Gray

I have to disagree. Been seeing more new sources as relatively unknown sources appearing on Techmeme all the time (possibly not this past week?) ... but I read Louis ... and sometimes Robert too :) - Charlie Anzman

I hope Sarah gets fat enough to release louis from fear so he can help us again :-) - Francine Hardaway via twhirl

dont forget http://emilychang.com/go/ehub ! all new products there - Marshall Kirkpatrick via fftogo

Yep, I'm listening, and appreciate the ideas. But I'm in disagreement with many people here. I can't give alot of weight to requests for coverage of new products from people who provide coverage of new products (or the products themself). And I can't give undue weight to requests for more personal blogs from personal bloggers. These suggestions are somewhat helpful, but don't speak for the vast majority of Techmeme's readers, who don't use FriendFeed or even leave comments on blogs. So why does Techmeme overlook alot of new products? Maybe there's new product fatigue. Though product launches are accelerating, people are sensing that most don't hold a lot of promise for disruption or significant growth. I'm certainly not the first to observe this. - Gabe Rivera

It would be interesting to see if someone were to calculate a success/fail ratio on these new products AND relate that to the amount of hype created in some breaking news blogs. I could tell you the outcome, no correlation at all. You either execute right or you don't. The power of the "Hype Blog" review isn't sustainable or accessible for users beyond the early adopters. - Alexander van Elsas

maybe it's just me, but i think there's a "fatigue bar" that keeps going up to get people excited about new products. i think it's more interesting to talk more about things that appear to be getting some traction than any smart little thing that releases. traction > launching - Charles Hudson

I get paid to write about start-ups, but usually it's those that raise funding, make a splash or do something new. We can read about big company news almost anywhere. I'm with Charles, though. Not every start-up is worth the virtual ink. How do you strike a balance? That would be up to Gabe's secret sauce. - Dan Kaplan

I like what Charles said. Very often, where there's traction, there's a story. What happened? Why is this catching on? What made the difference? What kind of people are using it? How is it spreading? Etc., etc. - Gabe Rivera

More information = more usability. Hope to see some new developing things on Techmeme soon. - Mark Frost

I agree in part with Gabe, but disagree too. TechMeme attracted me because it was different than what was on Google News. Now it's getting to be big-city news and isn't as interesting as hanging out in FriendFeed. - Robert Scoble

Finding all most new products worth trying via twitter/friendfeed (techmeme new product launches usually = techcrunch = PR relationship with MikeA = not enough reason to give a crap pour moi ) - leigh himel

re: a 'Techmeme' that is 'personal' -- A recent blog post from Nick Bradbury explains how the "popular topics" feature on FeedDemon is sort of like a meme-tracker limited to those blogs to which one subscribes ( http://urlzen.com/6u ). Obviously, this is not a Techmeme replacement, merely an attempt to add another means to view the conversation flow. - Rex Hammock

Gabe, to be clear, I don't think TechMeme should change. I think we need to flow around it though, provide other ways for people to find what's new. We used to have weblogs.com before the blogging world got too big and the spammers discovered it. Digg is even more of a concentrator than TM, so that isn't what I want. Oddly I don't think it's an algorithmic thing. You and I tend to view things diametrically opposite. I think human beings are the answer, you think algorithms. I think we're both right. :-0) - Dave Winer

A very basic work around, filtering some of the noise from Techmeme http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/p... or the RSS direct http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/p... - Duncan Riley

Actually aggregation only makes sense in a peer/social context: what is my social graph talking about? Search will become social - differently from what Mahalo is. #workingonit ;) - oliver gassner

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FT.com - FriendFeed openness puts pressure on rivals

June 9 at 1:35 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link

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"FriendFeed, founded just eight months ago, has not had time yet to prove whether it can be a mass market or financial success but it has soared in the estimation of the Valley’s digerati to rank as Google’s most significant offspring to date." - Bret Taylor

Friendfeed is my favorite application - period. NOTHING compares... awesomely disruptive with amazing potential!! My internal *innovation lightbulb* glows really bright when I get close to Friendfeed!! - Susan Beebe

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Good on ya mate! - Noah Carter

Interesting article. I'd probably move wholesale to FriendFeed.... except the people I communicate with are largely on Twitter and not here. Life's too short to set up imaginary friends on FF. Any way I can pull in my entire Twitter feed here? - David Sim

I'm with David on that one. I set up some of my Twitter friends as Imaginary to test it out (and I love the feature). However, I am too lazy to set all of them up. - Yolanda

FriendFeed has potential, no doubt. Now if only I could get some of my friends to sign up! - Rahul Das via twhirl

David and Yolanda: http://internetducttape.com/20... - Alejandro S.

Friend Feed was talked about on Windows Weekly and Twit this week!! - Paul

The best part of FF is the clean UI. This is more important than featureset. Remember, Google.com search and craigslist -- two very simple clean user interfaces. - Maneesh Arora

and WSJ and now FT. How cool is this! - Charlie Anzman

Notice the rise in MSM coverage for FriendFeed, sure sign this is about to hit the public's imagination - Duncan Riley

FF definitely wins with its API and responsiveness, as well as a vibrant community and ability to generate lots of conversations - Wil

Congratulations to Bret and company for this continuing very well deserved accolades. - Alex Hammer

As well as the fact that a bug that constrains you to the last 11 pages of your activity? - Yuvi

There is massive potential in FF but there should be more tools for filtering conversations and content so that it would be more easy find what is important. Any change for keyword based tracking lists (like in del.icio.us)? - Daniel Schildt

Please remember to take suggestions to: http://groups.google.com/group... The staff are fast and pleasant at replying. Excellent stuff. - Earle Martin

@Earle Martin - The bug has been acknowledged and a fix is said to be "in the works" - for about 2 months now :( - Yuvi

I don't use Google Groups or email for discussions. If they want my input they have to use FriendFeed. Imagine that. I'm more committed to their tool than they are? Unreal. - Dave Winer

I knew there as something wrong with FF and this is it -- they don't jump in with both feet -- they dip a toe in here and there. It's nice to post links to articles and baby pics (congrats!) and trip pics (ditto) but put your person into this space. Then it'll really go somewhere. - Dave Winer

BTW the Twitter guys do the same thing. They are not among the power users of Twitter. - Dave Winer

Dave, I agree with you 100%. The commitment they show in using their own product is vital. And, a proper user profile page will be very nice. - Dewald Pretorius

I've had the same thought about a user profile page. I'm reading something and I wonder who the person is. Click on their name and -- nothing. Funny thing is that some reporters are starting to read FriendFeed, so if they want to have influence over their press they're going to have to show up here. Otherwise we're going to control their message. Heh. :-) - Dave Winer

I was also quite amazed to find a Google FF group.. I thought http://friendfeed.com/rooms/fr... was where it was at. - Samuel Bostock

@Dave Winer: I disagree - with pretty much every aspect you state here :) Google Groups and the availability of standard ff functionality precede friendfeed rooms by years for the former service and something around half a year for the latter. Deriving any conclusions concerning committment to friendfeed from the usage of groups or email - or any other service that might be better suitable for the specific task - is rather subjective and not comprehensible. - Mustafa K. Isik

Actually Dave has a point - if content producers are meant to go to where the conversation is, without an easy way to find it all, then the same should be true for Friendfeed bug reports and feature requests. You can do searches based upon topics, but try searching based upon a permalink of a blog post - Andy Beard

I don't think rooms are the answer either. How I would do it -- add a command to the popup menu under More (above) that says -> Feedback to FF. Click on a comment and choose the command. Then it goes where ever they want it to go to be in their queue. If they want to respond, they do so in place, where the discussion is taking place. I've been doing this for a LONG time Mustafa, you have to come to the users, making them come to you -- you'll miss the good stuff (as they are). - Dave Winer

@Dewald Pretorius, @Dave Winer: What better, more precise and comprehensive profile information, beyond the full activity stream plus links to all kinds of services an individual uses and produces content on, could you possibly expect? I like that friendfeed makes for a platform that is not about people fleshing out a dedicated profile page and telling you how great they are - instead you get the chance to make up your own mind via a very authentic activity stream. - Mustafa K. Isik

[continued] Concerning a quick way to get an impression of who an ff user is and where his/her interests lie, a computed tag cloud (based on shared items, comments, liked items) could prove useful. - Mustafa K. Isik

The only issue FF would run into using their own system for feedback is the restriction on entry and comment length. However, they could easily lift those restrictions in a special room or on entries designated as feedback, feature requests, etc. There really is no excuse for them to not use their own system. - Dewald Pretorius

@Dave: "You have to come to the users, making them come to you -- you'll miss the good stuff (as they are)." Great observation. - Hutch Carpenter

Agree with Dave, would like to see profile pages on FF. A quick snapshot sort of page that gives you an idea of who the person is. Flickr does a pretty good job at this actually and could be a good model for what a profile page should look like. Profile pages should not limit bio length and should allow html. - Thomas Hawk

Each users page, especially their recent activity, is a great snapshot of who they are, I think. When I subscribe to someone, I look at those pages to make sure what I see is interesting. I think that's the best kind of a "profile" on a person you can get. - Jordan Hofker

You don't need a profile page on Friend Feed, you have access to the users profiles in the services on the right hand side. And therefore multiple profiles. - Toby Graham

Jordan, what you say is true, but what you see is a snapshot of a time-based "profile", which could give you different impressions of the same person on different days. Depends on what the person's FF feed pulled in on that day. A static profile area would alleviate that problem. - Dewald Pretorius

I kinda get the feeling that early on they've been sitting back and letting the community develop by itself, rather than leading the way. Which I totally agree with. - Shey

Full disclosure time: I gently rolled my eyes when I heard about FriendFeed, but I have to say I'm a huge fan now, if that kind of thing can be measured by how much time I spend on it! - Jeff Eddings

You test out a lot of these social/feed applications and just the odd one or two have that easy fit like a glove feel to them which means you use them day in day out - google reader was one and friendfeed is another... - David W

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How to get more comments on your blog - Andy Beard

Really good post which offers tips for increasing blog comments. - Adam Donkus

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Blogger in Draft: Updates and Bug Fixes for June 26th

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New features for Blogger users - Andy Beard

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posterous - The place to post everything. Just email us.

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but why? I don't get the email bit.... - Allison

I suppose you don't need WYSIWYG as you have that in your email client, and your first email to them becomes a blog post. It also has replies to comments by email - Andy Beard

Here's an idea: reply to stuff that arrives in your email and CC it directly to a blog at posterous. - Andy Roberts

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Windows Server Division WebLog : Microsoft.com Powered by Hyper-V

June 26 at 5:41 pm - Link

Some impressive stats from Microsoft From the page: "Microsoft.com Powered by Hyper-V One of our more challenging systems from a server subsystem utilization perspective is microsoft.com[microsoft.com] . The site handles 15,000 requests per second, 1.2 billion page views per month, and 280M worldwide unique users per month as well as supporting ~5000 content contributors from within the company. This site has close to 300GB of content consisting of some seven million individual files on each server. Due to this scale and the variety of applications hosted, the site heavily exercises all of the major subsystems - memory, CPU, network, and file I/O â" on each server. Based on the load characteristics and the fact that this site is a testing ground for early adoption of Microsoft technology, we expected the production load of microsoft.com[microsoft.com] to provide a great test for Hyper-V." - Andy Beard

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Teach Your Kids or Grandma to Make and Sell Websites

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Great way to pass on knowledge and busness skills to kids - Andy Beard

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Good advice for twitter fans - Andy Beard

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Sweet Article by Ann Smarty about "Increasing Your Site Crawl Rate"

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You could probably add at least 10 things to the list that are as important, maybe more so. - Andy Beard

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Lots of useful WordPress Hacks - Andy Beard

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This will be another platform that should be added to viral friend scripts, but only using APIs - any service not using provided APIs from Google, Microsoft and Yahoo for contacts should be condemned. - Andy Beard via Bookmarklet

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June 26 at 9:00 am - Link

A story of a couple who's son, now 20 months old, has what's called, Leukodystrophy, but instead of complaining about it , Matt (the father) is going to get his hands dirty by entering an ironman in Switzerland on July 13th, to raise money for The Myelin Project and European Leukodystrophy Association. - Andy Beard

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From the page: "Holy optimization Batman! Are search geeks no longer relevant in the world of SEO? Nothing of the sort my caped companion in ranking. Search geeks are still highly relevant and likely will be as long as search engines exist. You might even say without them all your optimization efforts could fail entirely." - Andy Beard

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Matt is going to be swimming 3.8 km, 180km cycling and a 42.2 km run to raise money for charity. Son Joseph suffers from a condition known as Leukodystrophy - Andy Beard

Thanks for the stumble, the more raise awareness on this, the better :) - Kevin Dixie

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WordPress &8250; Batcache & WordPress Plugins

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New WordPress plugin for caching using memcached - it is not as fast as wp-Super-Cache but does perform better on sites with frequently updated pages. Used on WP.com so I assume it is WPMU compatible too - Andy Beard

Robert Scoble posted a message on Twitter

“FriendFeed conversation about whether or not it's a silo: http://tinyurl.com/3ssqf8”

June 21 at 10:27 am - Link

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I should start another conversaiton here just to prove my point, then digg stumble the original with comments, and then start retweeting - Andy Beard

Silos joined: http://friendfeed.com/e/57de4d... - Robert Scoble

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Try to do THAT on Twitter. And, anyway, Twitter sees far more conversation particulation than you get here on FriendFeed, where interesting conversations join up into clusters. Also, a conversation here lasts hours. Over on Twitter? The half-life of a conversation is only six minutes. Why? Because interesting stuff just gets buried so fast. - Robert Scoble

Not silo in terms of technology, but channel preference and uneven RSS/API usage make it silo in reality. - Brian Carter

yes you can monitor a few threads that way, but the only way I can monitor conversations just about my own posts here on friendfeed is to use search - Andy Beard

As an example I am using advanced search just to pick up comments I might have missed regarding eperks, but it is time consuming http://friendfeed.com/search?q... - Andy Beard

very nice point about the half life of a conversation on twitter. I find that unless I use the GUI (ie use a client like twhirl), the half life is pretty similar - Shivanand Velmurugan

It would be great if an author can group a bunch of twitter messages into 1 conversation ( or everyone starts using friendfeed instead :) ) - Shivanand Velmurugan

Agreeing w/ @andybeard- FF has silos w/in one conversation... at least as big an issue as whether it's a silo amongst SM sites. - Brian Carter

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What Is Social Media’s Purpose? No U silly SEO, It’s Not About Links

June 20 at 7:42 pm - Link

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Makes sense. - Tad Chef

true!! it's about PEOPLE!! - Dieter Schwarz

Dieter, stop agreeing with me, otherwise you will be labeled a Social Troll and blocked by @Scobleizer LOL - Igor The Troll

damn - that would be the worst thing that could happen to someone in web 2.0! Ok: Nothing that Igor the social troll says is true!! ;) - Dieter Schwarz

Yeah, the more someone tries to debunk me, the more vocal and notable I become! - Igor The Troll

Robert Scoble posted a message on Twitter

“@jimlunsford FriendFeed is noisy, but way more organized than Twitter. It's a silo, yes. But one with RSS feeds out. Is it a silo at all?”

June 21 at 9:39 am - Link

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it's not a silo, it's an aggregator - Max Niederhofer

I'm just playing with it now but it looks like its a good aggregation hub for "updates" on your blogs and what you are doing and thinking. It has promise. - Chris Herbert

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Actually I use friendfeed and twitter for discussion based on who I'm talking with. If I know their stream is noisy (like Robert's) than FriendFeed leaves the comment out longer so he can see it. Twitter is better for following large groups and a back channel for a smaller subset. Friendfeed is far more open-ended. - Andrew Feinberg

Anything with a well implemented public API isn't really a silo IMO. - J. Phil

It's not a silo. Anyone can pull (just about all, from what I've seen) the data out via the API. It just needs more apps built on the API. - J. McConnell

It is both an aggregator and a silo which encourages scattered conversations - I am unlikely to never come back to this conversation after I leave the comment, the RSS feed doesn't even seem to work http://friendfeed.com/e/57de4d... - Andy Beard

The "like" feature allows me to track a conversation if I'm interested in following it. - Chris Herbert

This problem isn't an inherent one. FriendFeed could fix this relatively easily by allowing the starter of the conversation to link to another FF post. E.g. Robert, since he started both this and the other conversation you commented on, could "link" the two together and then FF could intelligently splice the two conversations together. - J. McConnell

A third party could provide similar behavior via the API by noticing, e.g., that Robert posted a link to this conversation in the middle of another, or by following some other convention. However, it would be nice for FF to provide something like this so all users and API clients could benefit from the spliced coversation. - J. McConnell

I think FriendFeed is not intended to be used as a silo. As mentioned before by previous commenters, it's an agregator with a feel of a discussion forum/mailing list with "karma point"-like feature. - imabonehead

J. McConnell certainly it is possible, there has been talk of clustering before, but it would need to cluster all the stumbles, Diggs, shares etc - it would be great to stumble something, and then discover a whole linked conversation from many sources - Andy Beard

Andy Beard, good to hear that it has been discussed. This reminds me that I did hear mention of it when the FF founders were on the Gillmor Gang. Their argument for not having it yet, I believe, was that the separate conversations are a feature in that they allow separate social groups to interact more naturally, openly, without feeling that their comments are completely public. - J. McConnell

However, it seems that there is support for that kind of private interaction already with rooms. As long as room conversations about a URL aren't clustered with other conversations about a URL, I would think everyone would be happy. Either way, allowing a poster, like Robert in this case, to explicitly link two entries seems to be different and much more conservative than algorithmic clustering. - J. McConnell

It's funny that at a cocktail party there's tons of conversations that happen between small groups in a semi-public manner, but that we don't want to allow that to happen here. - Robert Scoble

FF = aggregator. I find FF far more useful than Twitter. - Bill Sodeman via fftogo

Don't think it is a Silo. But eventually Its all about the intent and the usage. - Parth Awasthi

A silo is something that allows things in but not out, so technically FF is mostly a silo right now. I prefer to think of it as an aggregator. - Sally Church

Sally: if this is a silo how can Google get into it and index it? Also, how can you pull these conversations into RSS? Hmmm. - Robert Scoble

Robert, cocktail party conversations are (typically) not recorded, archived, searchable, etc. Also, the number of people that can overhear them are usually limited to the 5 or so people in the immediate vicinity. On FF, the number of people that can "overhear" is essentially limitless. Don't get me wrong. I'm all for heavy, intelligent clustering on FF and much open discourse. I had to point out the difference here, though. I can understand and respect some people's desire for more privacy. - J. McConnell

J.: you gotta come to the cocktail parties I go to. Almost everything is recorded. :-) - Robert Scoble

Robert and J. McConnell, you can delete your comment if you want. Hey, cocktail party...who's mixing drinks?! - Chris Herbert

Robert: Google can index it because it's essentially an open, not closed silo. I was thinking more of the commenting on items coming in - they don't always go back to the source, so if you're not on FF you could miss a whole load of discussions on your original post/item. For me, it's semantics - I like both Twitter and FF for different reasons. - Sally Church

Robert, I'd love to go to some of the cocktail parties you go to :) I did have you, specifically, in mind when I threw in the "typically". I knew you'd say that, haha! - J. McConnell via fftogo

Chris Herbert, a) not from Google's cache, b) the privacy-sensitive people I have in mind don't want to delete their comments, they just want to limit the scope of their comments. And to be clear, these are hypothetical people I'm talking about, so maybe the argument isn't worth making. - J. McConnell via fftogo

just check this http://quotably.com/scobleizer and compare the conversation and the amount of tweets vs. ff. i cant see a significant one, if any. - kosmar

What some people call noise, others call content. I know lots and lots of folks who consider all the A-list tech blog stuff "noise" and wonder where the "real" content is on the web as a whole. Perspective is crucial. - Soulhuntre

Robert the FF guys (Paul I think it was) also brought out a similar arguement about watching a film with friends and then discussing it after - that conversation is somewhere linked to his blog post - Andy Beard

But then I have seen threads of 15+ comments on someone's stumble of one of my posts, and no comments on the original post. Robert "liked" one of my ePerks articles, but that was in the social media room posted by Igor - Andy Beard

I have contemplated using a FF widget or Wordpress Plugin on my blog to display FF conversations, but those will only pick up a fraction of the conversation around an article. It might be better to create a custom search feed for each article - Andy Beard

Joseph Ferrara.Sellsius posted a message on Twitter

“@mlbroadcast No. ePerks alleges vlad's post refers to them as the source of the yahoo post. Read complaint on scribd at vald's post.”

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ePerks Sues Real Estate Blogger, Blogosphere Unites to Destroy the ePerks Brand - Real Estate Agent and Brokerage Blogs

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From the page: "The following is the torrid tale of eParks and how they solicited editorial advertising from real estate bloggers and when they didn't like the result of one blogger's pieces they attacked him personally and are now suing him. It's disgraceful. For those of you not yet in the know, ePerks, a service that allows Realtors to offer incentives back to consumers, has recently taken legal action against a fellow real estate blogger, Vlad Zablotskyy." - rob

Igor The Troll stumbled upon a site on StumbleUpon

SupportÂ the Vlad Zablotskyy Legal Defense Fund: A real estate weblogger is being throttled by corporate bully ePerks.com. The free speech rights you will be...

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From the page: " Support the Vlad Zablotskyy Legal Defense Fund: A real estate weblogger is being throttled by corporate bully ePerks.com. The free speech rights you will be fighting for are your ownâ¦" ePerks=eJerks - Igor The Troll

Sweet Andy! lol - Igor The Troll

RT Cunningham posted an entry on Untwisted Vortex » The ePerks vs. Vlad Zablotskyy Fiasco

The ePerks vs. Vlad Zablotskyy Fiasco

June 21 at 9:59 am - Link

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“New on UV: The ePerks vs. Vlad Zablotskyy Fiasco: I told myself I wouldn't get involv.. http://twurl.nl/8nsll7”

June 21 at 10:55 am - Link

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I'm tempted, I won't do it of course, to assist in a Google bomb. I won't resort to those tactics but I wouldn't put it past ePerks. Scum. - RT Cunningham

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