The Great Google Wave invite thread. Anyone who wants an invite post your Gmail address here and anyone who has invites available please use to invite the people on this list. There are also a bunch of requests in the Invites group here: http://friendfeed.com/invites
I have a few but holding them for a few people who have already asked me. I'm at kolint [at] googlewave [dot] com btw. A pain I know but if you can, could you update your comment when you have an account or just delete your comment. Ta! :-) EDIT: Try this site for invites: http://googlewaveinvites.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
Are people on this list getting invites or at least been told they have an invite on the way? You might have to be patient, it could take a long time for one to come through.
- Kol Tregaskes
Adam, yep agree. Maybe because I did that (month ago though) helped me get mine through from Vijay so quickly!
- Kol Tregaskes
@Kol, the invitation process seems to be based on nominations. For example, everytime someone nominates/invites you, you get bumped up the queue for an account until you're at the top and you get sent an invite by the team
- Ysabel Legaspi
Ysabel, ah I see, So lots of people must have nominated me. Darn, so a few users I have nominated could be waiting a looooong time. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
if that voting system is right I'm very annoyed. I asked for an invite months ago, now all the numpties are all over it I'm not going to get a look in. It's like I've been sat at the front of a shop queue and everyone's just walking right past me into the shop. I am British but I detest both queuing and waiting, so this is pretty tough going
- Toby Graham
Like most other people, yesterday I wasn't aware of that I «needed» a Google Wave invitation this badly...but now I am!!! quackofdawn at gmail dot com
- Quackofdawn
Please I want a invite :( jesi.nieves at gmail
- Jesi
from iPod
neternity@gmail.com and i promise to send a wave of 100,901 twitter followers to your doorstep each of whom will have averaged 1 tweet in their existence - this might not get me an invite but surely it will get some notice - must have that something special - my google wave invite special sauce ingredient is twitter juice PS Not to be construed as an offer, not valid in any of the 53 US states, do not try this at home, caution: contents are hot.
- Ross Button
Anyone have already a wave invite?. I'm a developers anxious to take a look at wave. jmiguel.rodriguez at gmail.com . Thank you very much in advanced!
- jmiguel rodriguez
trentono gmail com...thanks in advance, mysterious stranger...
- Trent Olson
lol at this point i gotta think that by the time an invite makes it this far down the list i may already be at the top of the official invite list but doesn't hurt to try right? marco [dot] nunez @ gmail - thanks!
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
I'm also trying. As Marco said, it doesn't hurt :) iamclem at gmail. thanks!
- Clément Simon
Hello, I would love to have a google wave invite too. ilteris@gmail.com thanks!
- ilteris
Oops! You said gmail address: marybaumcreative (at) gmail. Although I run marybaum@marybaum.com through gmail servers too.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
from email
louisrbourque@gmail.com - an invite would be greatly appreciated, and I'll pass it on! Thanks
- Louis Bourque
from iPod
can you send me invite for google wave to i.igors (at) gmail (dot) com
- Igor Krstev
If any kind soul has an invite to spare, it would be gratefully received and shared on once GOOG get around to inviting me in. :-) The key piece of information belatedly being andy.bold@gmail.com kthxbai
- Andy Bold
Looking for one myself at alexscrivener (at) gmail (dot) com
- Alex Scrivener
I'd love an invite. I was sort of expecting to get one from Google, as I have been in all of their other betas, but to no avail :( carlton.prest@gmail.com
- Carlton Prest
Plesae send an invite! jwatson820@gmail.com
- Jonna Watson
damn, the pretty please guy will get one for sure, that steve guy @hotmail.com is likely last on the list - but we all will get one if that scobilizer guy notices that we are all here and asking and so cul cuz we are all on friendfeed - maybe if we twitter too it might help - hello google !!!!
- Ross Button
how do we know which ones are sent? I'm just doing my own thread.
- Raphael, Raphael
I've been too busy to get on FF the last few days....figures something important happening and I missed it! I knew about Google Wave but didn't know there would be a thread to post a request. In any case, better late than never, I'd love an invite at madeliene2007 at gmail.com. :)
- Bonnie Foster
I've been on Twitter all day trying to get one, I'd love it if my day can end by me finally getting an invitation :) I'll be sure to send some invites to other people in this thread! andryou@gmail.com
- andryou
re.renus@gmail.com somebody please send me a invitation... ^_^ : )
- Emad
wimmulder@gmail.com. Am really excited to try this out for a collaborative research project I'm working on. Hoping someone has an invite to spare!
- Wim Mulder
giuliocc@gmail.com . Keen to see if we can shake M$'s cage about messaging and collaboration.
- Giulio Campobassi
Would love an invite - jonathonc at gmail.com
- Jonathon
VitaArdiyana (at) gmail (dot) com, Thanks before Kol. I will delete my comment when i have my google wave account.
- Vimala Vita
Just digging into the comments now but let me begin by saying that you did an incredible job with this thread Kol, 473 (474 after I post) comments!
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Google Wave : Could anyone invite me ? : jean.charles.blondeau[at]gmail.com Thanks
- Jean-Charles
System Messages Invite Status: 17559 invite requests in the system. 7 invites confirmed as received by requester. 199 invites claimed as sent from giver.
- oliv21
How does anyone know if someone has already been invited? You could go back and edit your comment when you receive an invitation, but since that takes days, it could be ages before you know.
- marziah
I've not even had a nomination, RK. At google dot com I'm suezanne , in the event anyone wants to make a nomination. I've asked before on friendfeed. It's kind of humiliating to beg.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
i have decided that if i do indeed get an invite, i will decline, forward my gmail account to windows live and put ie back as my default browser and i will bing it
- Ross Button
@Ross: why punish yourself for something you didn't do? :)
- François Dongier
I just want some google love; just like the rest of us do; but n,o they wave at us as they have their private, invite only party; thumb to nose, fingers a waving - that's the google wave; we need a tshirt
- Ross Button
al86shaw@gmail.com :) Not expecting anything, but thanks anyway!
- Giraffes Up In The AIr
Send to me plz ,,, mxina.com {a} gmail {dot} com
- Mohammad Sharifi
Has anyone received their invite? I haven't yet.
- Rodrigo
from email
I'd love an invite to Google Wave pls. non-geeky bf got one before me! that's just not cricket.. hehe :) icetigerza (at) gmail
- Kim
Hello, if there's any invite left, you'll make me more than happy ;-) matthieu.beauval [at] gmail [dot] com, thank you !
- matthieu beauval
If there are still invites left daryl@learnscape.com.au
- Daryl Hunt on FF
Of all the people posting here the chances of me getting an invite are slim but I'm still willing to try. If someone wants to shoot an invite over to jcallahan126@gmail.com I'd REALLY appreciate it.
- John
from iPhone
Aww Did I miss the Wave of invites? Come on Kol... Hook me up! :)
- Walt Ruppar
It looks like it, although you might be able to use the hyperlink on the front of the Wave homepage to request an invitation, if it's still available.
- Tyson Key
Google Wave Anybody? I needz one plz... walt {dot} ruppar {at} gmail [dot] com
- Walt Ruppar
from iPhone
I'll give this a try: j.linkola at gmail - anyone have invites left?
- Jussi Linkola
Anyone can provide a Google Wave invite? bmtrocks@gmail.com
- Brian
Hi guys I realy Waiting impatiently, but still have no invite... can anybody sent me invite please please simplisityzehra@gmail.com thanks in advance
- Zehra
firatdemirel at gmail.com just needs an invite for Gwave. Thanks.
- Fırat DEMİREL
Does anyone have an invite to share? Can you send it to v9y.rec at gmail.com please? Thanks.
- Vinay | विनय
Can somebody send an ivitation to terror@gmail.com . Thanks in advance.
- Yiğit
Please send an invitation to me at trivedi.knz@gmail.com. I got tired waiting.
- Kandarp Trivedi
I'll be glad to invite others on this thread once I get mine. Thanks in advance.. Keep the thread alive.
- Kandarp Trivedi
rodgerdb@gmail.com ha oh man am I late to this thread =( Here's to hoping!
- Rodger Ballard
really need one, would be so grateful thacker90184@gmail.com
- brandon
I want Google Wave invite too, please sent it to: ric4p5 {at} gmail [dot] com Thanks
- jose manuel
If anyone has invites, could I have one please? tekked - gmail.com
- TechKid
allanbesselink<at>gmail<dot>com ... please!
- Allan Besselink
I'll wager that some of the folks on this list have received their invite by now, or no longer want one - I have 16 invitations at this instant. It's probably easier for me if you DM.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
fifiquimbo(at)gmail(dot)com. I would love one, thanks!
- Fifi Quimbo
I have 8 invites to Google Wave, if someone is interested, please DM with e-mail address. Ciao, Andrea
- Andrea Romoli
Seesmic, Friendfeed and Twitter next to each other in a test version of Twhirl. Adding tons of Friendfeed experience improvements in there, Marco rocks.
Is twitter's api actually back up at 50 req/hr?
- Shawn Farner
The old Twhirl works for me in linux for me, it just won't remember my password.
- Daniel E. Renfer
from twhirl
Yes Marco does. Twhirl is becoming my info hub. And if Twitter dies, who cares I'm sure Pownce, Jaiku or whatever could be swapped in
- Tris Hussey
from twhirl
:( subscribed some months ago but still no answer, but i added you on Google Latitude instead, lol.
- righini riprova
no, sadly, I don't! Hopefully Peter will "nominate" me, and if you have any extra noms (heh-heh for wave, not food!) please do so. I'm firstname.lastname@gmail.com of course. I only added my name to the queue a few days ago - wasn't aware that there was a place to do that until then.
- Laura Norvig
I subscribed months ago...but haven't got an invite yet :( Do you have one to spare? Please Adam... :p patrik.bjorn.johansson AT gmail DOT com
- Patrik Johansson
If you use the Gmail theme "Tea House" you may not have noticed that, late at night, the ghosts come out to play. Have you found any other easter eggs in Gmail's themes?
- Carlos Granier-Phelps
from Bookmarklet
Whoa. I use that theme on one of my accounts, but I never use that account at night.
- Admiral Anika
haha. Love Easter Eggs. Thanks for pointing that out. Like Anika I never use that account at night. BUT I do like how the solar system rotates on my Gmail Theme throughout the day. Very fine. :)
- Melanie Reed
That's supposed to happen as well in the same iGoogle theme but I have the impression that that only works in America as I have never managed to see that in the iGoogle page, which is pretty disappointing. The rest of the world do like those Eastern Eggs in the Google themes, not that I have waited at night to see it (I'm lying on this) but if you, for whatever reason (playing Sudoku), are still up you should be able to watch and enjoy it in the same way as an American. Shame on you Larry and Sergey. ;)
- Cibeles
I use this theme, and i have never noticed. :)
- Simon Wicks
In Singapore, I can also see some. Like in the Phantasea theme, usually water is deep blue, but when getting late (2200pm i guess), it will become purple. and deep in the night( 3 or 4 AM, not sure, because usually never bother to look at clock at that time) it will be like bloody red.
- Kloan Zh
In other shocking news just have the SMS sent to your phone :D
- Moved to Facebook
from fftogo
I'm not sure the first option works any more. I wonder when Facebook removed that. Some time in the last few months, as it was working back in January.
- Jesse Stay
I'd be interested in learning how to get fan pages' RSS. Some use SocialToo but there's no SocialToo directory as far as I know so finding them is a pain.
- beersage
beersage what are they using SocialToo for? I'm not aware that we provide anything like that.
- Jesse Stay
It's hard to tell whether it actually hooks into their actual fan page but the posts all have the symbol next to them. Try Smuttynose Brewing as an example. If I click on the link, it just takes me to the Social Too app homepage. It looks like some pages use SocialToo to host a feed though it isn't a feed of the fan page itself. Frustrating because if you look at the source code for any given page, you will see many results of the word, "feed!"
- beersage
beersage I'm still not sure what you're talking about. SocialToo doesn't host feeds.
- Jesse Stay
May or may not have misled there. I thought there might be some pages where SocialToo actually creates a fan page for the feed because of the way they lay out the RSS symbol w/ each post. Is there a way to render a fan page in a format other than html and work w/ it in Pipes?
- beersage
I'm sure that's possible, but scraping is highly discouraged by Facebook. Why not just use the Facebook Platform OpenStream API to access the Page the way you want? SocialToo doesn't provide any sort of RSS symbol. I'm still not sure what you're referring to there.
- Jesse Stay
from email
I'm not really a programmer. I was just looking to find a way to subscribe to pages as feeds into Google Reader for my own use. Pretty sure that not all of the pages to which I subscribe update in my home feed so I tend to check pages manually within FB :/ Looks like you can build an app to request access to get a feed for an account in looking at the activitystreams doc but a little too much work/hassle.
- beersage
"What is Blaze? Blaze is an innovative utility designed to automate most of the unique recurrent tasks that arise from everyday usage. Such tasks can be launching applications, making small calculations, sending emails, inserting recurrent excerpts of text or even renaming files! With Blaze, you don't have to worry about the start menu items or desktop shortcuts. With a few keystrokes things just happen! Moreover, you don't have to be afraid of repetitive anymore! How is Blaze different from any other Application Launcher? Blaze is not a common application launcher. It's true that it indexes all your applications and also has the ability to browse the web and your file system, and so on. It's also true that it accepts text commands just like the others. However, Blaze has de ability to bear with typos and, therefore, you don't have to be so careful while typing a command. Nonetheless, on what Blaze really stands out is automating recurrent tasks. Blaze is continuously monitoring your...
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- April Russo (app103)
from Bookmarklet
Thanks for sharing this, I am always for automation tools, I have been using imacros for ff, and winkey for automating app startups, i guess this one has some artificial intelligence and heuristic algorithms built into it.
- TrafficBug
I was thinking the same thing. Count how many times you said "Cool" Robert ;)
- Andru Edwards
This acquisition is most likely going to suck for users, but congrats to the FF team. Once Google announced Wave, selling to Facebook was probably the only remaining exit strategy worth the money.
- Chip Ramsey
I don't know if i'm excited by the possiblities of this move, or frightened by what this could mean.
- John Czwartacki
I hope they don't spoil it for us. I just want to keep coming to Friendfeed.com
- Mark
If they had no plans of shutting down FriendFeed and rolling features into Facebook they would have said so right away to avoid speculation and to reassure FF users. I am trying not to be suspicious, but I am.
- Inside Alaska
Andru: it was about 100 degrees outside where I was doing the interview. I was trying to think cool and keep my cool. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe now we'll be able to integrate Facebook feed with FF & twitter
- Justin Long
Faceborg...Googlebook...time to move back to StumbleUpon? Guess we should have seen this coming when FriendFeed got integrated into FeedBurner.
- Internet Strategist
This interview is pretty funny... the person interviewing sounds like he just wants to ask questions for the sake of asking questions...;-) ... thanks for the insightful interview but..
- Sherif Mansour
In the interview, it was said that FriendFeed was not in immediate danger and could have continued for a number of years on their own. I'm not quite sure if that is true, because FriendFeed didn't develop their own business model.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
About integrating the social graphs, my social networks on FF and FB had different purposes. I don't have any friends on FB whom I haven't personally met, whereas I subscribe to some people I don't know on FF just because their feeds are interesting. On a related note, the FB graph is undirected and the FF graph is directed.
- Ruchira S. Datta
@Scobleizer interviews Paul Buchheit, cofounder of FriendFeed RE acquisition by Facebook.
- Deano @ Byron New Media
"tremendous opportunity" is so vague. Opportunity for who? What opportunity exactly? Or is it just the opportunity to allow the friendfeed employees who weren't already rich to get rich?
- Laura Norvig
Laura: it's every engineer's dream to change the world of 300 million people instead of a few hundred thousand people. That's why this is a tremendous opportunity.
- Robert Scoble
Sigh. I guess. It's just very hard to think of Facebook as a life-changing venue.
- Laura Norvig
Robert: Thanks for this - some information at last!
- Jim Connolly
Tokyo Cabinet is also nice and has a lightweight server called Tokyo Tyrant for multi-process stuff. Python lib http://bit.ly/JUmcm
- Bret Taylor
sorry. i don't want to write to a k/v datastore. i just want a apache access.log that a) isn't just a fixed set of columns and b) i can add new fields to on the fly. ip=0.0.0.0;req=GET /blah;ref=http://bacn.net/;myfiel...
- joshua schachter
we had something like this at yahoo and it was very useful
- joshua schachter
This isn't much help, but there is an W3C Extended Log File Format written by Brian Behlendorf back in the day which supports arbitrary k/v pairs. Ironically, to my knowledge, Apache has never supported it, but IIS does. Basically, a comment line tells you how to parse the whitespace-separated tokens that follow. http://www.w3.org/TR...
- Neil Kandalgaonkar
Always wanted to write an Apache module for this. Probably quite doable as I think the Apache request object has a space for arbitrary notes which a module in the log phase of the cycle could pick up.
- Neil Kandalgaonkar
Joshua: so is the main issue just atomic writes for the log lines? From my comment on http://friendfeed.com/joshu..., I think fd = os.open("logfile", O_APPEND) and then os.write(fd, "; ".join("%s=%s" % (k, v) for k, v in values.items())) is more or less what you are describing?
- Bret Taylor
Oh, reviewing history, I think I misunderstood this post. Agree with Bret, O_APPEND handles it as far as I know. Isn't that how the logger modules work already?
- Neil Kandalgaonkar
i misunderstood O_APPEND, I think. I'll try that out.
- joshua schachter
It turns out you can do this with just apache and some of its built-in modules. I wrote a very simple httpd.conf that should work: http://gist.github.com/150124
- joewest
joewest, that doesn't do anything at all like what i want.
- joshua schachter
what i want to do is add additional arbitrary fields to the log line for the current request. say i decide to show something based on the output of rand(); i would like to log the actual value rand generated at the time. later on, could use this in session processing to calculate the relationship between the next action and what the user was shown. does that make sense?
- joshua schachter
You can use the apache "note" or environment variables feature to do this, but you'll have to format the key values pairs yourself. http://httpd.apache.org/docs... You'll want something like %{Foobar}n if your environment supports setting notes on the request (mod_python and mod_php do). Alternatively, you do the same thing with environment variables with %{FOOBAR}e. Just set the environment variable before exiting.
- Andy Bakun
I've always wanted to do a JSON formatted log line, but usually the places I've worked already have established log processors that read the shitty bare NSCA format. I usually set up a tab delimited format instead (LogFormat will take \t as a tab in output) if I've had the choice.
- Andy Bakun
Anyway, just make sure that the note or env var is a string formatted with key/value pairs before your request exits. With the right kind of setup, you could have a logline be JSON formatted with the stock fields, and then all your extra fields be additional stuff on the end.
- Andy Bakun
BTW, I'm having good luck using Facebook's scribe to log stuff from both apache logs (through a wrapper that sends stdin to scribe) at at the application level to a centralized location. It doesn't plainly support key/value pairs, but you can send whatever you want through it and aggregate later. Really nice for when you have multiple servers and you need/want to aggregate all the logs on them to one central place for processing or archiving.
- Andy Bakun
"Today we are launching version 2 of the FriendFeed API for beta testing. We focused on making the API simpler to use, and we added number of compelling new features." Documentation: http://friendfeed.com/api...
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
nice, good to see OAuth support, this will enable a larger 3rd party ecosphere around FriendFeed, I hope
- Jeroen De Miranda
After going through the documentation and playing around with some feeds, I love the fact that you can now see the subscriber lists of people who have their feeds set to private as long as you are subscribed to them and authenticate (mimicking the main site functionality). One thing that's absent is a discussion of Direct Messages. Do they show up in feeds if you authenticate? How do we find just direct messages?
- Mark Trapp
Mark: direct messages are accessed using the feed ID "filter/direct". Read more about feed IDs at http://friendfeed.com/api.... Also direct messages appear in the "home" feed.
- Benjamin Golub
Benjamin: ahhh, I see it now. I missed it when skimming that list over. Thanks!
- Mark Trapp
Can you post the wget version of the command line?
- Gabe
Gabe: wget --user=bgolub --password=passwd --post-file=MyPhoto.jpg http://friendfeed-api.com/v2... should work. In theory. Edit: nope. I'm not sure it's possible to do with wget.
- Mark Trapp
Oh dear. And now I'm thinking "Command line Friendfeed UI - I can do that - that would be do-able" ;-) Nice work peeps, especially the subscriber list info! :-)
- Andy Bold
Gabe: wget doesn't support multipart forms as a design decision. If you post a file, FriendFeed returns a 404, and if you post data, the query is too long for wget to handle.
- Mark Trapp
Woowoo, bgolub's password is “passwd” ;-)
- Amit Patel
Amit: I wonder how many people tested that :)
- Benjamin Golub
Thanks to bgolub posting his password, I now have all of FriendFeed's secret documents about notorious users, useless metrics, Justin Timberlake's promoting FF on Oprah's show, hiring Colbert as a spokesperson, Ev Williams being just a “distraction”. TechCrunch is going to love this! ;)
- Amit Patel
Yes big big thanks to the whole team for all their hard work!!
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
from iPhone
"What we do IS crafmanship." hard to agree, I can see the logic behind it, yes. But it could be both, I mean engineering is kind of a craftmanship?
- Özgür D. Cyric
contentious point on the surface that probably devolves to a semantic argument. i think the bottom line is that the paper's author, Tom DeMarco, is just mellowing out a bit in his old age. :-D you start off at one end of the spectrum (engineering Nazi) and you're bound to eventually realize hey sometimes you can just wing it. look at Twitter -- more hacked together than engineered, not especially reliable, but it has played an important role.
- Karim
Control is needed not for completion, unlike other disciplines, but for sustaining Software. Maintaining Semantic Hygiene is the Hardest task there is in Software Engineering Management. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Vasu Srinivasan
This is anathema to the entire software outsourcing industry that has grown on the premise that s/w development can be predictably controlled.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Leaving aside the sensational title, I think Jeff's point is that certain traditional practices like waterfall, software-as-a-manufacturing-process, discrete estimation, etc. never really accurately depicted the practice of building software. Jeff makes some good points, but I'm not sure that *craftsmanship* is the last word on this topic.
- Matthew Trunnell
It will be engineering again when computers stop getting faster every year. Would you really spend a lot of time engineering the mpg of a car if you knew that gasoline was going to be 2x as effective every 18 months?
- Sam Pullara
I think, s/w craftmanship is evolving to s/w engineering. IDE's are getting better, ALM tools and models are getting better. We have better tools, better models and new ideas to build s/w... Unlike any other engineering dicipline, s/w engineering is highly depend on intellectual property while developing s/w product.
- Ersan Bilik
It's impressive to see Tom DeMarco, a key figure in Software Engineering, acknowledge that for some software projects controlling what can be measured should not be management's goal, it would be the same as raising a teenager by focusing on 'objective' grades. This is not the same as saying software development is a craft and not engineering.
- Erik Erkelens
If delicious had an "Add to Inbox" bookmarklet they could kills this off - I use google bookmarks to do this and just add them to a 'later' folder - there's no easy way to get them out though....
- Andy Davies
Yup, I butt my head against this most days - people worry about the costs of giving us better hosting rather than worrying about the experience our paying customers get.
- Andy Davies
"U.S. Special Operations Command quietly began taking delivery of 10 Boeing-built Hummingbird robotic helicopters, and outfitting them for two-gigapixel spy cameras, foliage-penetrating radars, small guided missiles and even 800-pound-capacity cargo pods. Now the command has announced it will buy another 10 Hummingbirds, re-designated MQ-18, by 2017 — and deploy three of them to an “undisclosed location” next year, according to British aviation magazine Air Forces Monthly. But it’s a safe bet that the undisclosed location is west of Pakistan, east of Iran, south of the former Soviet Union and crawling with Taliban. A small fleet of quiet, lethal robots, each with a 30-hour endurance and a bunch of equipment options, could come in quite handy there."
- Bluesun 2600
from Bookmarklet
"REDMOND, Wash., July 20, 2009 — Today, in a break from the ordinary, Microsoft released 20,000 lines of device driver code to the Linux community. The code, which includes three Linux device drivers, has been submitted to the Linux kernel community for inclusion in the Linux tree. The drivers will be available to the Linux community and customers alike, and will enhance the performance of the Linux operating system when virtualized on Windows Server 2008 Hyper-V or Windows Server 2008 R2 Hyper-V."
- Jemm
from Bookmarklet
Net Promoter Score is how the world's best companies now keep track of how happy their customers are.
- Robert Scoble
I've heard it discussed a lot lately from a wide variety of companies (it's easy to get, only need to ask your customers one question), and at Rackspace it's almost a religion.
- Robert Scoble
Wonga is the company and said its NPS is better than Google, which means it's very high.
- Robert Scoble
We use it widely for all our online brands at Reed Business Information
- Jim Muttram
Those companies with a high NPS will grow quickly without spending money on advertising. Spotify, for instance, has a high NPS and is getting 50,000 downloads a day here in Europe without spending money on advertising.
- Robert Scoble
NPS is about more than just one question, if it's used right. It's about providing value to your customers, listening to them and acting upon what they say. Read Reichhelds book, the ultimate question.
- Wouter Trumpie
Wouter: true, but many of us hate answering surveys so if you can keep them short you are more likely to get surveys answered, which is why I talked about that aspect of it.
- Robert Scoble
definitely agree, should keep the surveys short and use the ultimate question, but you also need to interpret and act on the answers to the one NPS question. Why do or don't you recommend our product or company etc. Some companies just seem to measure NPS, because everybody is doing it, and do not do anything with the feedback they get, which is wrong.
- Wouter Trumpie
essentially it is about how many people are talking about you and form the tribe for you.. hence this reduces the advertising spend for the company.. NPS = Evangelists i am guessing..
- aditi
For balance, here is a link to research regarding NPS called, "A Longitudinal Examination of Net Promoter and Firm Revenue Growth" - In summary, Using industries Reichheld cites as exemplars of Net Promoter, the research fails to replicate his assertions regarding the “clear superiority” of Net Promoter compared with other measures in those industries. - http://contextrules.typepad.com/transfo...
- David Gerbino
quite agree that NPS alone is not enough. Actionable feedback and trending is still needed. NPS as part of consumer feedback brings some order to often widely variable responses.
- Andrew Cresswell
NPS done right can be very powerful. Very few companies only ask one question -- not even Rackspace. They use the NPS approach, in which you not only ask about likelihood to recommend, but also about WHY. They pass the individual customer feedback directly to the team members who can do something about it. It's the ultimate in actionability. By the way, that article David G references is bunk. Don't just read the text, but pore over the data. For a look at the data, see: http://is.gd/1mmo7
- Rob Markey
Rob Markey, can you find a credible source of an opposing view of NPS? I always try find an opposing or different view on topics such as these. There are so many NPS evangelists out there and for someone to make a decision to use NPS, or anything new, based on just one side of a concept is not always the wisest move. Did I drop the Customer Satisfaction studies I project managed in...
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- David Gerbino
David, The most credible arguments against NPS generally come from the market research/statistician angle. It is absolutely true that the math of NPS (a single question-derived number collapsing an 11-point scale into 3) makes it less precise than more sophisticated (complicated?) indices. In our experience, you lose roughly 5-10% of the predictive discrimination when you drop to a...
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- Rob Markey
Rob, good comment with some great quant numbers in support of your points. I tend to side with the "market research/statistician angle" group, however, when working directly with the frontline, the NPS types of approaches are much easier to conceptualize. When managing for change, sometimes the best method is not the most statistically accurate.
- David Gerbino
egad .... NPS has been debated amongst marketers for years. It is useful if used with care. The primary benefit is the simplicity. The primary negative is that it can drive unintended consequences when companies try to shift the score.
- Bankwatch
"Each cell ends with a tab character. A column block is a run of uninterrupted vertically adjacent cells. A column block is as wide as the widest piece of text in the cells it contains or a minimum width (plus padding). Text outside column blocks is ignored." The page includes a Java applet demo of a simple editor which uses this concept. This actually looks pretty sweet.
- ⓞnor
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You mean, tabs should be 4 spaces? That's okay but did you read this article?
- ⓞnor
It would require changes to any editor; I see no reason those changes would be harder (or easier) to make to vi. (The changes are to how tabs are rendered; actual editing is unchanged.)
- ⓞnor
Those are good points about time travel, but this could be a relatively incremental improvement that would actually make things a lot better. Not that I'm about to adopt it or anything (as far as I know it is implemented only in gedit), but table-based layout of code fits the way I move code around better than the line-at-a-time reindenting most editors use. Maybe a good intermediate solution would be an editor that works with this model but translates it to a more conventional format on exit.
- ⓞnor
I wasn't smart enough to make the demo do anything interesting for me, but what does this do that you can't do with the emacs commands that in/outdent the selected block of text?
- j1m
j1m: try making one of the variable names (or types) much longer than it currently is. You'll see the entire next column of stuff shift over to adapt without you having to do anything special. Also, since it's only the rendering that's changing, and not the number of space characters on every affected line (as would be the case if you indented everything with spaces), your revision history will be cleaner: only the line you meant to edit will show up as "changed".
- Laurence Gonsalves
What Laurence said -- try editing the "try making this comment a bit longer" text, or the "makeThisFunctionNameLonger()" function in front of it, and watch how things reflow. Or, edit the name of the someDemoCode function and watch the argument list move. Some of these things could be done through fixups and block-move commands, but I think this is quicker and better.
- ⓞnor
@Laurence, yeah, the bit about the revision history seems pretty valuable.
- j1m
What I want is something that can reflow gracefully to variable column widths, so we don't have to argue about 80 columns vs. 100 vs. whatever all the time.
- ⓞnor
Very interesting idea, seen it a few times before. Sad thing is that it isn't really supported anywhere I can find. I only indent with tabs myself, spaces are evil. I hate having to retab files that have to few/many spaces to be readable. =)
- Daniel Bruce
I wonder when self-hosted blog software will get the speed of FriendFeed.... And I wonder how hard it would be to build such a thing. I'm not really counting on Wordpress.
Commenting systems like Disqus are somewhat nicer then standard blog comments, but it is centralized. Also, posting blog posts is still slow.
- Meryn Stol
In the past year, there has been more innovation in commenting than in blogging itself.
- Meryn Stol
... with regard to speed / usability that is. There has been lots of innovation in enriching posts with third-party content and such.
- Meryn Stol
I seem to be seeing Wordpress get slower, not faster. Not counting on it either.
- Jason Adam Young
Jason, exactly. It's time for an extreme lightweight wordpress client I think. Maybe an entire new admin yourblog.com/light-admin/ or something. Or posting functionality built into a Wordpress theme. All ajax, just like FriendFeed.
- Meryn Stol
self hosted software can be the speed of friendfeed, if you have the infrastructure - but you need access to the whole stack
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Yes, but not with such a fat cow as the Wordpress admin running on top.
- Meryn Stol
Makes me wonder what the state of Movable Type is...
- Meryn Stol
pretty slick, last I looked - but then FF is not that fast, it just feels fast due to the refresh/streaming. I'd say it is normal, at least clicking on a group or list it takes longer than, say, for my blog to load a long page - 5 to 10 seconds?
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Looking at http://buddypress.org/ from WordPress, might do what you are looking for, but not sure yet. Hoping to spin up a copy next week for testing on AWS.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Joelle, I'm only considering the posting/commenting speed here. The switches between pages are not that special indeed.
- Meryn Stol
I don't know Meryn. One of the things that makes CMS systems slow is that they are extensible through modules and it's the endless composition of modules that slows everything down. When you can special build something you can globally optimize it. So I don't think a self-hosted system that will be general enough to be successful will be as fast as FF.
- Todd Hoff
the posting commenting is a bit hit and miss - i get a lot of wait/errors at times. But I am not sure how large the user base is, it could be quite hot at times :)
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Anyone remember the URL of the website that shows workflows for various web apps (and allows you to upload your own)? They show each step in order for each flow. example: a viral widget will show each step such as: user views widget, user clicks embed, user chooses social network, etc
Just setup a new Yahoo Pipe with TwitterFeed that will cross-post my FriendFeed entries to Twitter after they have received a couple comments or likes. This way, YOU can choose what's interesting enough for my Twitter followers.
- Pat Hawks
Certainly useful list for more than few people.
- Daniel Schildt
For an engineering magazine in 2008, targeting these instructions at only males strikes me as surprisingly sexist. I don't read PM - is this its normal tone?
- Jutta Degener
Reminds me of: "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. " - Robert A. Heinlein
- Stuart Woodward
@Jutta - Popular Mechanics is not an engineering magazine, it is a legacy rag for the publisher targeted at 55+ newly retired/ DIY-home improvement/ car modgeeks of the XY chromosome subspecies. So, yes, it is typical for their profile (haven't seen it in 25+? years, but occasional glimpses of its online version are enough).
- ianf ⌘