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Interesting service, but what a name! - Paul Buchheit
I've forwarded this feed to MHmazidi and Alireza coz yesterday they were introducing this service to Persian community here on FF and MHmazidi said that it won't get popular unless poular people in the web.2. (such as Paul or Robbert) be there and use it:)and there we go... paul just introduced Utterz here:) http://friendfeed.com/e/244134... - shandiz
شاندیز هستن مسئول بخش روابط بین الملل دکترین - shirva
:)))من اولین باره ترجمه می کنم, اسمایلی باور کن - shandiz
Quick! Get Robert's nick. He'll surely talk about it. - AJ Batac
Ok:D forward to Robbert scoble/ scobleizer.what do you think of this service Robert? - shandiz
There's a lot to like about Utterz. I record audio using my Blackberry curve audio recorder which records in .amr format. I like being able to pause the recording and restart. Just attach it to an email and send to go@utterz.com. It converts it and posts is. Also, you can attach multiple files to one post. Photo and audio. Only one of each but still nice. And the RSS feeds into Friendfeed.http://friendfeed.com/e/65c6fe... - Kevin Shannon
Utterz? Is that some sort of web 2.0 milkman service? - Gabe Schaffer
forward to Robbert scoble/ scobleizer.what do you think of this service Robert? - mhmazidi
Feingold in 2008. Let's see what Obama does with FISA after the 4th holiday. - Michael Tefft
Hey Aaron, what about 2012? Are you assuming Obama will win and server 2 terms? - Michael Tefft
Nah, Obama is the right guy on the broad range of issues this time around. I can't vote for someone on a single issue, though I highly disagree with Obama's stance on FISA so far - Aaron Brazell
Way to go Russ! Makes me proud to be a Wisconsinite - Andy Kaufman
Teft, yeah Obama will win easily and will run for a second term in 2012. - Aaron Brazell
I went to Hawaii to his ethnobotanical preserve to interview McKenna (because a group voice told me to do so -- a nitrous oxide experiment) and he (voluntarily) dosed me. That led to co-editing an issue of Whole Earth Review on "Plants as Teachers." And that led to Kevin Kelly asking me to guest edit WER, which turned into a 4 year deal. Which led him to invite me to help start Hotwired, which led me to start Electric Minds. - Howard Rheingold
Sarah has 1,100+ subscribers now. She's in the big leagues! - Louis Gray
Add /rss to your url and you can read the feed in Google Reader. Add /all/rss and you can follow the friends incoming comments. BUT you can not click thru the Google Reader feed to the Identi.ca page only follow the feed. - Mike Reardon
Identi.ca needs new feature - automagically subscribe me to Sarah's subscribed user list. - Susan Beebe
"In areas where developable land is scarce, namely San Francisco and west Los Angeles, markets are still holding up. Several banks noted very little, if any, deterioration in credit quality in these markets." - Andy Kaufman
Racine's Fouth Fest Parade!!- hosts one of the largest Fourth of July parades in the Midwest. "This 71-year-old parade began as a collaborative effort between corporations and labor unions to set aside 'one day of peace' between workers and management" - Andy Kaufman
I hope it will be only Friendfeed soon. Doesn't anybody else get tired of all these different kind of networks? Sometimes monopoly is a good thing. Let's all head over to MSN ;-) - Rutger Blom via twhirl
mine is a little more extreme - friendfeed mostly & twitter rarely - i do push my ff's to twitter & i check my twitter replies & dm sometimes - i would like to get to the point where all my friends are in friendfeed and i no longer need to go to twitter at all - i used to like whales ;) - mike "glemak" dunn
Agree. They are different and both ueful in different ways. I see no need to choose between them just yet. I'm using Plurk too, which is different again - very informal conversation. - jjprojects
Disagree. Reason? Time. I don't have time for multiple services. For me, right now at least, it's FF. - Steve Rubel
You don't need one to use the other but they sure are handy to use together - JohnBfromMemphis via twhirl
Haven't maid up my mind yet, but it seems that the different services and their approaches fill different needs. Undecided for now! - tekspectator
Exactly! Why does it have to be "either" "or"? - Steve
I definitely agree. It is frustrating to have people insist one is better than the other. Two totally different beasts. - Shawn Farner via twhirl
could not agree more. probably the best twitter, FF comment in a long time. - Bastian
Agree! At this point, FF's comment functionality isn't good enough to replace Twitter for me. With Twhirl, it doesn't seem like tool overload to use both. - jen robinson via twhirl
Apart from twitter's SMS interface.. what is missing (for you) in FF? @ ? - Kishore Balakrishnan
Its FF only. reaons against Twitter : (a) Twitter whaling to often (b) not easy to track/thread twitter replies together. FOR FF (1) FF stable (2) FF Conov enabler/agggreagator (3) I like it better :)- - Peter Dawson
An integrated solution with both would be best. Twittering out of FriendFeed - that's my dream! - Matthias Schwenk
Oh definitely agree. They are symbiotic beasts - Deepak
Agree absolutely, when social media tools complement, the sum become greater than the parts - Charlie Hope via twhirl
@ Matthias you can comment back from FF in Twitter already... - Charlie Hope via twhirl
and, and, and... there's Utterz, Flickr, blog, etc. etc. etc. -- so, yes. It all goes together. FriendFeed has a chance to become a hub (the way Twitter is foe me now, but more so), if it can somehow tame itself - Doug Haslam via twhirl
Funny how this comes to my attention now as Twitter is not updating for me, but FF is. I love how I can reply to FF via @Twhirl. That is a dynamic combintion. - Tracy Lee Carroll via twhirl
@Matthias I wonder if someone has created a tool that takes your own FF posts and makes a tweet from it? You'd need to turn off tweets in FF otherwise there would be a feedback loop that would eventually destroy the universe. - Elliot Tucker
elliot: twitterfeed does that, put in your ff atom feed and remove your twitter feed from ff - mike "glemak" dunn
Agree....finally somebody comes out and says it as it should be said :) - Arjun
it's both right now - if you have group of people in Twitter then it is both - otherwise the conversation is moving more into friendfeed on a greater range of topics so for those not so tied to twitter it is twitter or friendfeed - riaz
Disagree. Twitter has crossed the line. It is dead to me and too much of the time it is dead to everyone. - Dave Slusher
I kind of agree. There's too much noise on FriendFeed to have simple, conversational, exchanges. - Bill Bittner
If Twitter doesn't get its act together, it will be FriendFeed and no Twitter. I'm revisiting FriendFeed today after a nice hiatus - Michael Koby via Alert Thingy
This is be being real: I love Twitter, and don't get me wrong, I think FriendFeed is cool, too.. but I think Facebook will ultimately adopt the killer features of both and wipe them out. - Shawn Farner via twhirl
Agree; tell me though, does Pownce = Twitter + FriendFeed [or vice-versa] or am I just being thick? Twhirl posts to Pownce for me as well, but taking Rafe Needleman's advice and not tracking multiple communities. FF good for posts too long for Twitter - Justin Guy Souter via twhirl
FriendFeed > Twitter for me. I feel more value when I post here first. - (steve isaacs)
agree, and, in between Twitter and Friendfeed , many other indispensible things are included. - Nikos Anagnostou
Both - but grudgingly. Honestly? The only reason I go to FF is because some of my Twitterpals migrated here and won't come back. Twitter is my main gal - FF is my Friday night stand-in. If I could do away with FF I would. - Lucretia Pruitt
Twitter is too myopic to last much longer. Our online lives are a lot more complicated than 140 characters. - David Weiner
How much time to we all have?? There are use cases for both twitter and friend feed. Some people WILL choose one or the other. There are functional aspects that i like about both. For me it is both. - Rodney Rumford
Its neither - it's what fits your structure and how you want to connect. If you want actual conversations and build on relationpships, IMO, Plurk is good at that. FF seems too cluttered but aggregates a lot information together. Twitter is still good for me and is a great broadcast tool, some communication, and a lot of industry heads that you can learn from. - Sonny Gill
What the heck, throw in Plurk and you got a deal. - Rick Wolff
It's becoming less and less so. I'd much rather have one service I can do it all on and FriendFeed satisfies that much better. Twitter still has things FF doesn't though so for what FF doesn't satisfy, I will continue to use Twitter for. - Jesse Stay via twhirl
I suppose I could go with the AND if FF offered a pure stream like twitter. I really don't like the threaded conversation presentation ... but maybe that's because I mostly use twirl? - Clint
You're almost right. I get what you're getting at. But the two are different and will grow separate paths with some common features. - phil baumann
phil, if they do grow in separate paths, that's great! I'll continue using both! However, I will not continue to use both for the same reasons. I'm removing the duplicate effort lately and consolodating what I can over to FriendFeed, leaving the remaining effort to Twitter. - Jesse Stay via twhirl
My other concern is that Twitter just doesn't have the expertise up high to make it a successful service. You will see the FF founders frequently engaged in conversations about FF on their service. I have yet to see a single Twitter founder engage in any of the critiques or compliments about their service on Twitter. - Jesse Stay via twhirl
FF ideal for social discovery as long as folks hooking up enough of their services. I like the "noise" of FF. - Stephen Francoeur
...and Plurk, and Facebook, and Pownce, and Jaiku, and more to come. Twitter for its simplicity and all the add-on apps and all the others for conversations or smaller groups with specific interests. - Brenda Young
“I think I'm going to try to learn Rails. I'm not a developer, I'm a marketing guy, but it couldn't hurt, could it? Any suggestions on best way to start?”
Also, consider Django. Python has been around a bit longer than Ruby and many feel it is an easier language to learn. On the other hand, Ruby has "why's poignant guide to ruby" http://poignantguide.net/ruby/ - Jason Wehmhoener
why's guide is worth reading just for the cartoons, even if you decide to go the Python route. - James Williams
Wow. Thanks, Jason! I'm working on a project and my team is using Ruby on Rails--I want to know more of what's going on and be able to pitch in if I can. It's not an arbitrary choice. I'll check some of these out. - Ryan Kuder
Ryan, that's on my agenda too! If Matt can do it, anyone can (j/k). :) - Jennifer Van Grove via twhirl
Ryan better choice do Google search on ruby metaprogramming metaprogramming is the key without it you will not get ruby..unfortunately no 10 level community college courses cover metaprogrammignthey only over comp lang syntax which gets no anywhere close to do RoR apps the right way. - Fred Grott
Learning programming is definitely worth the effort. I'm not sure I'd start with Rails, though. Rails (and Django, for that matter) is a framework, sort of a black box that hides some of the inner workings of web programming. While it's designed to make your job as a developer easier for larger projects, it actually makes it harder to understand and develop your first "Hello, World" apps. In addition, Rails apps are hard to deploy on your typical shared webhost and Ruby support is not that widespread. - Ole Begemann
What Ole says is very true. On the other hand, Ryan works for Apple, and Leopard has Rails pre-installed, eh? - Jason Wehmhoener
(cont'd from last comment) ... So Python might be a better choice for you. In any case, I'd recommend starting with pure Ruby or pure Python and only learn about Rails or Django when you have some understanding of the underlying language and know how to write simple CGI programs with it. - Ole Begemann
@Ole: Yeah, I get that. Fortunately, I'm not a total n00b. I taught myself some basic Java a while back and have a few computer science courses under my belt. Right now, I'm looking for *practical* above all else, and nothing screams practical like filling an immediate need. - Ryan Kuder
@Jason: I don't work for Apple. I'm a former Yahoo (who isn't these days?) and I'm working on a start-up. I'll have to check if Leopard has Rails installed. If not, I'm sure one of my engineering guys can help hook me up. - Ryan Kuder
Ryan: sorry, I wrote my comment before reading that your team is actually working with Rails. In that case, Ruby/Rails is definitely the way to go. - Ole Begemann
The Pragmatic Programmers have a book called "Learning To Program" which teaches noobs how to do basic programming in Ruby. Grok all of that first, then get a copy of their "Everyday Scripting Book" which is a little more in depth. Then, if you consumed all of that you're ready for the Third Edition of "Agile Web Development in Rails" also by the same publisher. Once you understand all of that you should be able to quit your marketing job and code for a living. Good luck! - Tad Donaghe
Ryan - I'm in the same position. I've started trying to teach myself Rails. I've started here: www.buildingwebapps.com/ and I'm going to take a community college course in August. So - we can be learning buddies. - David Cohn
my ruby prrogramming notes use to be at programmersheaven.com they may still be there - Fred Grott
I learned Rails with the standard book, "Agile Web Development with Rails". It has a good tutorial on building a complete webapp (online store) but is not the best for later reference and in-depth info (I like The Rails Way for that). It's available as a PDF but nothing beats a paper book for learning.AWDWR teaches you the basics about Ruby. If you need to know more, I prefer "The Ruby Programming Language" over "Programming Ruby" (the standard book in the Ruby/Rails community). - Ole Begemann
Head First Programming (http://www.headfirstlabs.com/b...) isn't due until October but looks to be another great 'Welcome to Programming' kind of thing. They use Python, too. (I'm an F# fan but Ruby and Python are both great.) - Akiva Moskovitz
Ryan: I'm embarrassed, had you mixed up with another Ryan I know. We met at Yahoo about 2 1/2 years ago, very briefly. - Jason Wehmhoener
Part of it too is putting it in your Context Ryan.. for example Ryan would be best served on starting building a Ruby on Rails presentation application as that it directly relates to Marketing and is the best vehicle for Ryan to learn Ruby on Rails programming. - Fred Grott
FriendFeed is awesome. Thanks for everyone's help. - Ryan Kuder
Ooh yay - now we can give you the time of day! :P - Angela Bull via twhirl
They noticed at work I am spending more time on Friendfeed and asked about it today. Unless twitter does a permanent nose dive I don't know if I can get them to switch, even though some of them do have accounts on FF. The big thing for them is the mobility. I can use FF just fine on my smart phone. And now there is an iphone app right? - Andrea Baker
Ya I'm concerned that Twitter will soon permanently lose momentum... who knows, maybe early adopters move here, and then Twitter recovers and mainstream ppl move onto it... - Brian Carter via NoiseRiver
I'm still pitching twitter to my less techno-savvy friends before FriendFeed. It's like a gateway drug to more advanced stuff. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
@Mark I dunno, seeing the conversations in FF might make more sense to them than twitter. - Brian Carter via NoiseRiver
I'm here because I am forced to be as people like yourself adopt it. Dragged against my will, if you will, in order not to lose touch with my fave online peeps. Meh. - Leslie
@Brian Carter If a few of my offline friends are any indication, mainstream people are already moving into Twitter. It's starting to look like Myspace, IMHO. - Helen via twhirl
I use Twhril and keep track of Twitter and Friendfeed but the Twitter updates are slow so I go to the web for that. I think there's still a lot ofdevelopment for Twitter apps but FF is growing and aggregates more feeds. Overall, I'm spending more time on FF than Twitter too. - Larry Kless via twhirl
Oh crap. I'm reading this on FriendFeed. Does that make me bad? - l0ckergn0me
I think that we'll see exactly what @Helen said. We'll early adopt, Twitter will recover, then gain speed. - Spinn
I'm not sure that Twitter will recover, if a LOT of people join. The next wave of Twitter users won't be Grandma - it will be MySpace and Facebook users. They won't want to connect with 20,000 people, but 1,000 people is within the realm of possibility. Get a few million of those people on the service, and even Greenpeace will advocate action against all the whales that will appear. - Ontario Emperor via fftogo
I follow my Twitter stream using FriendFeed and I can even reply to Twitter through FriendFeed, like how I am doing now. - Sudar
I never used Twitter. I'm here because if the significantly increased utility of FF over Twitter and to participate in conversations with people I have followed for quite some time. - Jeff P. Henderson
looking forward to your conversations over here Leo. - Thomas Hawk
I like the idea of friendfeed - but the simplicity of twitter is its appeal. I wonder where Pownce and Jaiku will sit in this msg evolution - dann weatherhead
I have a feeling that this time things gonna better than the Jaiku move. - Du Senyao Peter
i havent been able to make the move - are there twitteriffic-like apps for FF as well? that would help my jump... - Andy Beach
I think twitter's UI is better and I wish there was something like twitterrific out there - maxim shevertalov via twhirl
This is funny, I just signed up for a twitter account. With what appears to be a mass exodus from twitter to other services, is there any point in me building up a network over there? - Eddy Cole
I want to make FF part of my routine, but it's just so damn cluttered -- plus I don't see any mobile integration yet. It's almost there, but it just needs a little more work to really take the Twitter throne - Noah Mittman
I remain a bit grumpyabout FF; I cannot shake the feeling that I am only here because Twitter failed me so many times. Anyway, here I am! - sage brennan via twhirl
The busy UI and lack of users put me off. Perhaps if it didn't try and link in with Twitter it would be easier to follow? - Oli from the-iBlog via fftogo
I have left twitter also, but now use Plurk. With the newly added search, I can find conversations about just about any topic. - Jon
I am really liking FF for conversations. I like Twitter for status/presence updates. Isn't that what is was designed for? Want to know where I am, and what I am having for lunch? Check Twitter. Want to know what I am interested in and reading? Check Friendfeed. - Sean Brady
Glad to see you over here in FF Leo!! welcome! BTW twitter pulled their own trigger - no guilt with that....just remorse - Susan Beebe
I sure wish one of you ex-TechTV guys would "direct me" - lol - JackRyanBauer via twhirl
If Twitter had a closed beta to better manage scaleability, but at a const of having a large user base, would it be as big as it is? - maxim shevertalov via twhirl
Is that it Leo you are off Twitter ? , ok kids grab the life jackets - NA76
Leo, what is your preferred way of FriendFeeding? Post once via Twitter and resume the conversation via FF or some other way? - Alexander Kucera
Leo, you are so fickle! I think you have TADD...Technology Attention Deficit Disorder. :) - BISQ
I'm trying that move too. A lot of info to sort so far - Michael Leis via twhirl
Leo, I violently agree. I think reliability is the killer asset. - shelisrael1
I've done the same. Twitter is dead to me. LOL :P - Grant Gochnauer
I just created a FF account too. It's a shame. I love Twitter. - Matthew Vaughan
I don't get the big Hoopla. FriendFeed is a Commenting System and a Medium to get Content on. Twitter is a Messaging system. Sure you can (pressed enter here accidentally) 'switch over', but really, Twitter could be thought to be something completely different than friendfeed - Chacha via twhirl
I'd like to see more of my twitter friends using a "lifestream" commenting system like FF, or see Twitter turn reliable and then add a better threading system for replies.. but until someone gets their act together I am happy using something that has the capability to do very similar things. So I'm happy to be caught up in the current migration toward a meme that works. Update: and one that is editable;-) - Curtis Cross via twhirl
i had to disconnect for a few months due to family health issues , missed it , but Im back on it now , friendfeed seems to be the "watercooler" now - fotographic
Eddy Cole, the services are completely different. Try them both out. Many people, myself included, use both services. For some reason people want to make this a contest between Twitter and FF. - Mike Doeff
@Mike thats what I've been trying to say, Twitter is a messaging service, FF is a Aggregator/Commentor. Very, Very Different - Chacha via twhirl
thanks Graham - I had no idea twhirl support FF as well! - Andy Beach
@Mike, thanks. I'll give both a shot and see what happens. - Eddy Cole
Chacha, totally agree. Baffles me why people continue to compare apples to oranges on this. This blog post is worth reading... http://www.winextra.com/2008/0... - Mike Doeff
I am in the conversion process. And actually what it seems is that you don't have to abandon twitter, FF will just post for you - Edward
I found myself doing this a couple weeks ago. Every time I wanted to go to twitter it was down, so I just started using ping.fm to post, and following all my feeds of FF. I agree with the ease of conversation on FF. - Melissa Goetsch
thanks for turning me on to friend feed Leo, can't handle the way Twitter goes down all the time anymore... - David
I still using both but FriendFeed is more interesting to follow and comment on. - Judy Jones
FF definitely has some nice advantages over Twitter (or probably more over Jaiku for that matter) which people with tons of scattered content can benefit from. On the other hand there are still tons of features I'd love to see added here (esp. on an API level). In the meantime, FF just has to hit the web-mainstream ;-) - Horst Gutmann
I would like FF a lot more if it pulled in my friends from other services. As of right now, all it really seems to do is aggregate my lifestream. I'm too lazy to manually add each rss feed to FF, and there's no way my friends are going to sign up for FF, after it was a giant PITA to get them to sign up for twitter. - Austin Brown
Is there an iPhone client for FriendFeed? I do alot of messaging on the go. - Robert Hafer via twhirl
you have inspired me to check out FF too .. so far - I likey! Thanks Leo! - Jenz
"but lends itself better to conversation.” could you quantify with your own experience as to what it means "Bettter conversation" ? We first had blogs /RSS , twitter , wownce which all seems to raise the bar on the converational index.. but what do you mean "better to conversation" wrt to FF ? - Peter Dawson
On Leo! One! Chaud devant! --french people will understand ;-) - directeur via NoiseRiver
@Austin That is what imaginary friends option in FF is for. You can add most of the services. There are several guides, linked to in this very thread and others available by googling that give you the info you need to set it up so they can have the freedom of using twitter, etc... and let you have the option of moving.. It doesn't have to be a competition between FF and Twitter. But if you are tired of all the loss of function, and downtime of twitter as I think most of us are.. going FF broadens your options to something that at present is useful to you;-) - Curtis Cross via twhirl
Yep just found someone I follow on FF, don't on Twitter, and I thought, what's the point of following them on Tw? 8-\ - Brian Carter
@Brian Carter was that person me ;) ? I think this weekend showed how friend feed can fill the void of being connected and following the thoughts of those who we have grown to trust online. Since then, I have noticed that the traffic on twitter (at least for me) has gone down significantly by the people I was following and didn't really know in person or know well. My inner circle are still using twitter and the mobile factor is still huge. The real question is can I still be active on FF while at work. - Andrea Baker
Reasons desktop app for friendfeed is not as usable as webpage: 1. usually quicker to navigate high volume on web page. 2. desktop app will surely be chasing new functionality (i.e. retwitter comment feature on FF web but not in twhirl). - Boris Gordon via twhirl
hey Leo, you should try Friendfeed in Twhirl, just click on the Twhirl logo and add Friendfeed as a new account, already 5% of all the comments there - Loic Le Meur
... and by rock, I mean that there's a bunch of smart men & women that I'm glad to be in the company of. Learned a bunch on the conference call alone. - Andy Kaufman
As mortgage foreclosures continue to rise, growing numbers of middle-class professionals are losing their homes and downsizing from four bedrooms to four wheels. - Andy Kaufman
