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MG Siegler posted an entry on VentureBeat
12 hours ago - Link
Twitter appears to be making progress in slaying its white whale - MG Siegler
I'm not really feelin' the imagery invoked by this title... - Rahsheen Porter
Waiting for countless Moby Dick references. Go. - Shawn Farner
@rahsheen - agreed. switched it to "Twitter draws closer to harpooning the Fail Whale" - MG Siegler
i've definitely enjoyed the increased uptime. but they shouldn't even announce progress until we can reliably go back say ten pages into older tweets. I'm also frustrated by the never ending error messages from my twitter clients (twhirl on my pc and twitterific on my mac) saying i've exceeded 70 requests per hour. nevertheless, i am a bit excited that constant downtime may be a thing of the past. - mike
@mike - yeah i thought it was a bit early to trumpet a success at first too (mission: accomplished anyone?) but then again those are some pretty solid numbers and twitter did kick ass yesterday with its 30 minute maintenance in a two hour window. - MG Siegler
All they need to do is move their offices to Nantucket. - Jonathan Beckett
Great title! Twitter does need to stop blowing so badly. - wrecks
Does this improvement correlate to the addition of Pivotal Labs to the Twitter team? - AJ Kohn
Tell me that headline is suppose to be ironic:-) What happens when you fill the blowhole on a whale?...think about it - Duncan Riley
It'll drown?! - Susan Beebe
FriendFeed
Thomas Hawk posted a link
FriendFeed's Growth Rate Continues to Eclipse Twitter
12 hours ago - via Bookmarklet - Link
A few weeks back I predicted that FF would overtake Twitter in users in less than one year. Compete's new June numbers are out now. Last month FF grew 33.7% while Twitter grew 5.4%. Assuming a static month over month growth rate, based on June's numbers, FF would have more users than Twitter in a little over 6 months. - Thomas Hawk via Bookmarklet
Interesting - For me, Twitter and FriendFeed still serve different purposes and that seems to be the case for a lot. So while many Twitter-ers may adopt FriendFeed - I don't see it completely surpassing it in 6 months.... - George Smith
Awesome. Keep watching this space. - Hao Chen
I'm guessing the overlap in the user bases should be pretty high. So even though the rate of growth of Twitter may be much lower, i have a feeling most of the people who joined FF recently are already on Twitter. Till we have a comparable number, it may not be a completely true analysis to say people are preferring FF *over* twitter, would it? I too believe they serve different purposes and should co-exist. - Parth Awasthi
They may have different purposes but they are definitely competing for the same attention width. - Brian Sullivan
George, I agree, I have them both open right now, is that weird? - Cody Heitschmidt
Certainly FF is siphoning off some of Twitter's growth. I think though that FF is much more addictive and multifaceted than Twitter and is the stronger momentum play right now. If I were running a hedge fund (I'm not) and these were both publicly traded companies (they're not of course) I'd be tempted to short Twitter and use the money to buy long shares in FF. - Thomas Hawk
This chart also likely corresponds with the amount of Scoble's Friend Feed sticker giveaways :) - Brian Ries
Thomas - Thanks for your thoughts. When twitter has negative growth three consecutive months we will have another facet to discuss. - Russellreno
I'm with George Smith on this one. This is not an either or. These are 2 good tools and I'm sticking with both for now. BUT, with every Fail Whale I see, my doubts grow. - shelisrael1
The initial growth of FriendFeed, but if you look at the total volume of users of both services, FF has a ways to go before it's going to overtake Twitter. - Brandon Wood
when either gets to 10m users they we will have a story - David Henderson via twhirl
i see the need for both but would like to see friends collapsed as 1 set - Lee Kent
we'll know these companies have made in when all the good people have left, the comments are full of pr0n spam and your mum asks you for your username... - Barry de la Rosa
I think one of the main reasons for more adoptiong is the ability to have a tru conversation, without having to hunt for messages every few seconds. I think it would be great if they do some more features to make it easier - Shivanand Velmurugan via twhirl
comparing month on month growth rates isn't really that helpful here. obviously the doubling time for FF is going to be less than Twitter because it is starting from a smaller base. In terms of users/month Twitter has been growing faster than FF, something I expect Twitter are pretty happy with given their recent problems. - Samuel Bostock
Samuel, that's what people said last month. Since then FF's growth has only gotten stronger though while Twitter's has gotten weaker. month on month growth rates certainly are anything but accurate forecasting tools. Still, perhaps FF will eclipse Twitter's growth even *more* next month. - Thomas Hawk
I never imagined this would have this fast - Akshay
any idea on total user #'s? Twitter's surely saturated - John Cozen
The big question in my mind is when will the FF graph flatten out? Trees don't grow to the sky and every site / service will start to plateau at some point. Either way, this will be fun to watch. - Mike Doeff
Just imagine how fast they would grow if they incorporated Facebook status and Myspace content. Right now they are siphoning from a small pond, Twitter and the microblogging networks. There is a lot more opportunity for growth if those two are brought into the fold. - Andrew Burd
I don't think it's a shock that FF growth rate is high. Twitter broke new ground. Most FFers are Twitters also -- and Twitter was probably the first mircoblog we've all used. Making the switch is easier. - Rob Williams
Everyone I know is Switching to FF from Twitter - this is real buzz I think it will overtake Twitter. - Luke
uuhh.. is *no one* here discussing how compete.com gets it's data? vitally important.. - Barbara K. Baker
I'm seeing much less response on Twitter, and I hope it's not because I've gotten boring- I think the conversations are on FF. - Brian Carter
I definitely spend more time on FriendFeed these days than I do on Twitter, even though I have orders of magnitude more friends on Twitter. I would say there's not much competition there! - Scott Jarkoff
Doesn't really mean much as FF's growth will still be playing catchup to Twitters current capacity. - Stuart Forsyth
Its interesting to watch. But there is still the simplicity of Twitter that keeps many who have grown accustomed to a society that offers crap service as the universal standard. - Curtis Cross via twhirl
It depends which way you look at this data. I'd rather have Twitter's curve. - John McCrea
It sure is funny to watch the these bloggers push FriendFeed, like they are getting paid or something! - Thomas Capote via twhirl
It looks like social media aggregation is a major rising tide. Check out Plaxo Pulse vs. FriendFeed. Remarkably similar slopes. http://siteanalytics.compete.c... - John McCrea
JMc - Plaxo is growing faster than FF, and I have not seen any hype around Plaxo. - Russellreno
but still, i can't help but think FF is rising BECAUSE of twitter. people come here to check it out. if they stay, great. if not, they've still got the numbers. right now it's like a few months ago when everyone was talking/blogging about @twubble and other "twitter-pack" type apps and bots. i had a HUGE follower surge. same shit, different month. - Hillary Hartley
Russellreno: It's because we chose private sharing and conversations for mainstream users around circles of family, friends, etc. - John McCrea
Clearly, though, I use both services (and really like them both). As the British would say "horses for courses." (Different horses are better for different courses. - John McCrea
John - Agreed. My Plaxo invites come from friends that would not find FF useful. Just the same, when the Twitter v FF conversation comes up Plaxo isn't mentioned although it is tracking with FF. - Russellreno
I've been watching Compete's 'Velocity' tracking between FriendFeed and Twitter. It has grown exponentially. I am definitely convinced at this point that Twitter is to Friendster like FriendFeed is to Facebook. I only wish I could buy stock... - Philip Ryan Johnson
FriendFeed
RE.net: Mark Eckenrode posted a link
13 hours ago - via Bookmarklet - Link
great article. grab it now before Sherpa puts it behind their membership site. - Mark Eckenrode via Bookmarklet
Blog
Shey posted an entry on introspective snapshots
14 hours ago - Link
There are so many ways to interact in FriendFeed and with a never-ending stream of content, the possibilities are almost limitless. - Shey
Great post Shey. I compare Friendfeed to a box of mixed chocolates, you never know what your going to get once you open it. - Mike Fruchter
It's exciting watching how beneficial Friendfeed is becoming to all of us. - Mike Fruchter
Thanks Mike, you've been doing some pretty kewl stuff in FriendFeed yourself. - Shey
some great ideas in the post. friendfeed is just plain awesome! - (jeff)isageek
@Jeff Yup, thanks to all the crazy FriendFeed cats for pushing the boundaries - Shey
Excellent post. - Darryl
@ Mike the person who put the choclate in there knows hahaha - Gordon Swaby
Gordon, but riddle me this, is that she or he a member on Friendfeed? HA! - Mike Fruchter
FriendFeed
RE.net: Mark Eckenrode posted a link
yesterday at 9:13 am - via Bookmarklet - Link
cool tool to mass-spread your home tours and other videos. can even watermark the videos to build your brand directly through the service - Mark Eckenrode via Bookmarklet
Digg
Kevin Rose dugg a story on Digg
yesterday at 10:47 am - Link
Does anybody know if DNCC's charging for this? My guess is yes, but I don't know. - Karen Mohler
This is a very smart move. This is the kind of venue where Obama shines. Plus, you can get a Bronco Dog with onions and peppers! I hope the beer guy will be there. - CS Techcast
I want to go. I saw him Jan 2007 in South Central speak to 150 people. I was a volunteer. Such a journey! - Felicia
Fantastic idea.. Will be interesting to see how the GOP counters this, if they can. Have a hard time seeing McCain getting 50,000 to show up to the Metrodome for his speech. Maybe if it includes a monster truck pull at the end. - Chris Reed
@Karen: It will be a free event, according to an email sent out by his campaign - Nathan Reale
I'd just like to see him in a Debate with McCain, sure Obama sounds great reading from a teleprompter or reciting a prepared speech, but lets see him go head to head with his opponent.. - keith
Wish I could be there. I saw him in Houston at the Toyota Center and in San Marcos, and both times were amazing. - Jeremy Botter
Great commuicator but little substance. Bill Clinton reincarated - Brent
@Brent: And what is McCain's substance beyond "I served in the Navy, so make me president so I can keep us in Iraq 100 years." - Chris Reed
90%'ish chance I'm going to this - Kevin Rose
Brent - agree completely - JackRyanBauer via twhirl
Obama and Clinton both think of themselves as another JFK - hmmm, can you say Lloyd Bentsen - JackRyanBauer via twhirl
I agree as well, Brent. People are easily fooled by a smoothly delivered speech. "It's all about the tax rates, stupid" - John Denver
I totally want to do this. I wish I lived closer to Denver - Phillip Jeffrey
@John: On the tax rates, you mean you're making more than $500,000 a year? Congrats! The rest of us will get a tax CUT in an Obama administration. - Chris Reed
Chris, I would love to see your sources on that. Everything I have read has Obama's definition of "wealthy" at about $120K of household income... hardly Calacanis-esque here in SoCal. - John Denver
This will continue I'm sure. Obama does poorly speaking "off the cuff". Look for more prepared speeches and less debates. - Robert Hafer via twhirl
less pandering and flip flopping please - Bjorn Tipling
More importantly I want to know more about Digg's spot in the Big Tent.... - Erin Kotecki Vest
FriendFeed
Steven M. Cohen posted a link
FAIL Blog: Pictures and Videos of Owned, Pwnd and Fail Moments
yesterday at 3:51 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link
LOLOLOLOL!! - Steven M. Cohen via Bookmarklet
AWEsome! - Colleen Harris
That is hysterical. But he's going to have trouble living that DOWN! - JMS
There is a high pressure 'rising' in the midwest.... - Steven M. Cohen
I so want to lock viagra in as sponsor... - Mark Forman
FAIL. :D - Erhan Erdogan
wow this made me lol. - Brandon
nice. there are some real bastards out in the interwebs. lol - Cee Bee
The failBlog makes life worth living on really awful days... - Colleen Harris
Looks like it's gonna be a HARD season...more at 11 - Michelle Miller
"Hey, watch out Pennsylvania, I'm coming up at 11" - Steven M. Cohen
I hear that Indiana totally got pounded! - rochelle hartman
OMG thank you, you guys. I totally needed this. - Holly B
Rofflecopter. I want to meet that guy. - julie neff
"High pressure system mounting the NorthEast, expect a long night" - Marianne Lenox
@marianne +1 - Michelle Miller
omg, i just started writing my column for local library newsletter and i am using a weather metaphor. if it were my blog, i'd so use this picture. - kate
Hey baby, check out my doppler... - Steven M. Cohen
Things are about to get a little warm and sticky in Pennsylvania.... - Shey
@Steven Cohen - +1 I about woke the kids laughing at that one! - JA Castillo
@JA - Everytime I look at the pic, I crack up. It's too funny. - Steven M. Cohen
Epic FAIL! - Mike Doeff
hilarizor ! - Eric Berlin
I love that site. Always a consistent source for laughs. - David Risley
OK, that just has to be a photoshop job. :D - Cecily Walker
cecily....if not photoshop, then some serious weatherman viagra. - rochelle hartman
YouTube
Missy Caulk published a video on YouTube
KW Announcement July 08
yesterday at 6:06 am - Link
Always great news! Thanks for sharing - Candace
Twitter
Stowe Boyd posted a message on Twitter
Twitter
John Muller posted a message on Twitter
FriendFeed
Jennifer Leggio posted a link
Sunday at 11:43 am - via Bookmarklet - Link
"Now, most folks will say that the switch is because" What switch?!? I continued to be amazed at how many people believe that everyone that uses Friendfeed, has STOPPED using Twitter. I also continue to be amazed at how many early adopters think that everyone uses these services the same way they do. Twitter isn't going anywhere. - Mack Collier
FriendFeed
Paul Buchheit posted a link
Friday at 5:56 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link
"Start Uttering Call your local Utterz number to record, listen and reply Send video, pictures and text to public: go@utterz.com private: private@utterz.com Create an utter or join a discussion online. Use any combination of webcam, computer microphone and more" - Paul Buchheit via Bookmarklet
Interesting service, but what a name! - Paul Buchheit
رونوشت به حسین و علیرضا - shandiz
اسمایلی یادگاری! مازیار از این جا رد شد - Maziar
The even handier part of Utterz: post to your blog. So do audio, video, pic whatever, post to utterz, goes to your blog - Duncan Riley
interesting - didnt realise that Duncan - Zee from WeDoCreative
Wish FF automatically translate those comments for us who can't understand. ;-) - AJ Batac
That would be nice. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any machine translation software for Farsi. - Paul Buchheit
yeah that would be cool. even mighty G can't http://translate.google.com ;-) - AJ Batac
I've forwarded this feed to MHmazidi and Alireza coz yesterday they were introducing this service to Persian community here on FF and MHmazidi said that it won't get popular unless poular people in the web.2. (such as Paul or Robbert) be there and use it:)and there we go... paul just introduced Utterz here:) http://friendfeed.com/e/244134... - shandiz
شاندیز هستن مسئول بخش روابط بین الملل دکترین - shirva
:)))من اولین باره ترجمه می کنم, اسمایلی باور کن - shandiz
Quick! Get Robert's nick. He'll surely talk about it. - AJ Batac
Ok:D forward to Robbert scoble/ scobleizer.what do you think of this service Robert? - shandiz
There's a lot to like about Utterz. I record audio using my Blackberry curve audio recorder which records in .amr format. I like being able to pause the recording and restart. Just attach it to an email and send to go@utterz.com. It converts it and posts is. Also, you can attach multiple files to one post. Photo and audio. Only one of each but still nice. And the RSS feeds into Friendfeed.http://friendfeed.com/e/65c6fe... - Kevin Shannon
Utterz? Is that some sort of web 2.0 milkman service? - Gabe Schaffer
forward to Robbert scoble/ scobleizer.what do you think of this service Robert? - mhmazidi
FriendFeed
Porch: Dustin posted a link
Friday at 3:38 pm - via Reshare - Link
YouTube
George Kelly favorited a video on YouTube
YouTube
alex de carvalho favorited a video on YouTube
Russ Feingold on FISA - What's Next
July 3 at 2:44 pm - Link
Feingold 2016! - Aaron Brazell
Feingold in 2008. Let's see what Obama does with FISA after the 4th holiday. - Michael Tefft
Hey Aaron, what about 2012? Are you assuming Obama will win and server 2 terms? - Michael Tefft
Nah, Obama is the right guy on the broad range of issues this time around. I can't vote for someone on a single issue, though I highly disagree with Obama's stance on FISA so far - Aaron Brazell
Way to go Russ! Makes me proud to be a Wisconsinite - Andy Kaufman
Teft, yeah Obama will win easily and will run for a second term in 2012. - Aaron Brazell
Twitter
Steve Rubel posted a message on Twitter
Twitter
Howard Rheingold posted a message on Twitter
Twitter
Sarah Perez posted a message on Twitter
FriendFeed
RE.net: Mark Eckenrode posted a link
July 2 at 3:46 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link
how to build trust and value using a consumption strategy and your email autoresponder - Mark Eckenrode via Bookmarklet
FriendFeed
Jeremiah Owyang posted a message
July 1 at 4:32 am - Link
at the moment, yes. but that doesn't need to be the case in future - Jamie
Yes to both currently. - Paul W. Swansen
Of course its both... as Shel says: "New Media don't kill Old Media." Does this mean Twitter is now 'old media' - David Phillips
Agree. Twitter for a-synchronous talk, Friendfeed for more extended discussion. For me that is:) - Martijn Verver via twhirl
I've been preaching that for awhile now... Use twitter as a broadcast and FF for the conversation. It's a relationship that works. - Vince DeGeorge
absolutely agree, but I am wondering whether they are going to be the "defacto" standards. - Rob Diana
I hope it will be only Friendfeed soon. Doesn't anybody else get tired of all these different kind of networks? Sometimes monopoly is a good thing. Let's all head over to MSN ;-) - Rutger Blom via twhirl
mine is a little more extreme - friendfeed mostly & twitter rarely - i do push my ff's to twitter & i check my twitter replies & dm sometimes - i would like to get to the point where all my friends are in friendfeed and i no longer need to go to twitter at all - i used to like whales ;) - mike "glemak" dunn
Agree. They are different and both ueful in different ways. I see no need to choose between them just yet. I'm using Plurk too, which is different again - very informal conversation. - jjprojects
Disagree. Reason? Time. I don't have time for multiple services. For me, right now at least, it's FF. - Steve Rubel
Jury is still way, way out. - Warner Crocker
tiwtter is short and sweet.... ff is for discussions... i think they both have a niche - c010depunkk via twhirl
Disagree. You needn't use one to use the other. And, like Steve, I'm serviced-out. - Chris Baskind
agreed - Mona N
You don't need one to use the other but they sure are handy to use together - JohnBfromMemphis via twhirl
Haven't maid up my mind yet, but it seems that the different services and their approaches fill different needs. Undecided for now! - tekspectator
Exactly! Why does it have to be "either" "or"? - Steve
I definitely agree. It is frustrating to have people insist one is better than the other. Two totally different beasts. - Shawn Farner via twhirl
could not agree more. probably the best twitter, FF comment in a long time. - Bastian
Agree! At this point, FF's comment functionality isn't good enough to replace Twitter for me. With Twhirl, it doesn't seem like tool overload to use both. - jen robinson via twhirl
Apart from twitter's SMS interface.. what is missing (for you) in FF? @ ? - Kishore Balakrishnan
Its FF only. reaons against Twitter : (a) Twitter whaling to often (b) not easy to track/thread twitter replies together. FOR FF (1) FF stable (2) FF Conov enabler/agggreagator (3) I like it better :)- - Peter Dawson
An integrated solution with both would be best. Twittering out of FriendFeed - that's my dream! - Matthias Schwenk
Oh definitely agree. They are symbiotic beasts - Deepak
Agree absolutely, when social media tools complement, the sum become greater than the parts - Charlie Hope via twhirl
@ Matthias you can comment back from FF in Twitter already... - Charlie Hope via twhirl
and, and, and... there's Utterz, Flickr, blog, etc. etc. etc. -- so, yes. It all goes together. FriendFeed has a chance to become a hub (the way Twitter is foe me now, but more so), if it can somehow tame itself - Doug Haslam via twhirl
Funny how this comes to my attention now as Twitter is not updating for me, but FF is. I love how I can reply to FF via @Twhirl. That is a dynamic combintion. - Tracy Lee Carroll via twhirl
@Matthias I wonder if someone has created a tool that takes your own FF posts and makes a tweet from it? You'd need to turn off tweets in FF otherwise there would be a feedback loop that would eventually destroy the universe. - Elliot Tucker
elliot: twitterfeed does that, put in your ff atom feed and remove your twitter feed from ff - mike "glemak" dunn
Agree....finally somebody comes out and says it as it should be said :) - Arjun
it's both right now - if you have group of people in Twitter then it is both - otherwise the conversation is moving more into friendfeed on a greater range of topics so for those not so tied to twitter it is twitter or friendfeed - riaz
Disagree. Twitter has crossed the line. It is dead to me and too much of the time it is dead to everyone. - Dave Slusher
I kind of agree. There's too much noise on FriendFeed to have simple, conversational, exchanges. - Bill Bittner
thanks mike - Elliot Tucker
If Twitter doesn't get its act together, it will be FriendFeed and no Twitter. I'm revisiting FriendFeed today after a nice hiatus - Michael Koby via Alert Thingy
Completely agree. - Parth Awasthi via twhirl
This is be being real: I love Twitter, and don't get me wrong, I think FriendFeed is cool, too.. but I think Facebook will ultimately adopt the killer features of both and wipe them out. - Shawn Farner via twhirl
'&&' ! '||' - Andy C
Elliot, you can try feeding your FF entries feed into Twitterfeed.com. - Dewald Pretorius
And probably many other services we'll adopt - Sally Robinson
Agreed. FF, to me, is more of a reading rather than authoring experience - Michael Lehman
Agree. Friend Feed is my Twitter extension for comments and groups - Jon Bishop
Yep, I use both. - Brent Newhall
Agree! - Sarah Perez
Agree; tell me though, does Pownce = Twitter + FriendFeed [or vice-versa] or am I just being thick? Twhirl posts to Pownce for me as well, but taking Rafe Needleman's advice and not tracking multiple communities. FF good for posts too long for Twitter - Justin Guy Souter via twhirl
FriendFeed > Twitter for me. I feel more value when I post here first. - Steve Isaacs
agree, and, in between Twitter and Friendfeed , many other indispensible things are included. - Nikos Anagnostou
Agree! - Marc Dierens
twitter for messaging, friendfeed for aggregation - Tyler
Agree 100% - Mike Doeff
What Mike said. AND is IMPT. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg
I agree. I still just wish that twitter is more stable. - Alan Le
agree!! - edythe
I definitely agree. FriendFeed is not a Twitter replacement. - Jake (aka Jawee) via twhirl
agree for now, but not forever... - Jeremy Toeman
well I would have to agree as I do use both.. it seems obvious they are different things. - Karl via twhirl
Both - but grudgingly. Honestly? The only reason I go to FF is because some of my Twitterpals migrated here and won't come back. Twitter is my main gal - FF is my Friday night stand-in. If I could do away with FF I would. - Lucretia Pruitt
Twitter is too myopic to last much longer. Our online lives are a lot more complicated than 140 characters. - David Weiner
How much time to we all have?? There are use cases for both twitter and friend feed. Some people WILL choose one or the other. There are functional aspects that i like about both. For me it is both. - Rodney Rumford
Its neither - it's what fits your structure and how you want to connect. If you want actual conversations and build on relationpships, IMO, Plurk is good at that. FF seems too cluttered but aggregates a lot information together. Twitter is still good for me and is a great broadcast tool, some communication, and a lot of industry heads that you can learn from. - Sonny Gill
What the heck, throw in Plurk and you got a deal. - Rick Wolff
It's becoming less and less so. I'd much rather have one service I can do it all on and FriendFeed satisfies that much better. Twitter still has things FF doesn't though so for what FF doesn't satisfy, I will continue to use Twitter for. - Jesse Stay via twhirl
Totally agree. - karen2
I suppose I could go with the AND if FF offered a pure stream like twitter. I really don't like the threaded conversation presentation ... but maybe that's because I mostly use twirl? - Clint
Agree *completely*! - Kasey Sistrunk Anderson
You're almost right. I get what you're getting at. But the two are different and will grow separate paths with some common features. - phil baumann
phil, if they do grow in separate paths, that's great! I'll continue using both! However, I will not continue to use both for the same reasons. I'm removing the duplicate effort lately and consolodating what I can over to FriendFeed, leaving the remaining effort to Twitter. - Jesse Stay via twhirl
My other concern is that Twitter just doesn't have the expertise up high to make it a successful service. You will see the FF founders frequently engaged in conversations about FF on their service. I have yet to see a single Twitter founder engage in any of the critiques or compliments about their service on Twitter. - Jesse Stay via twhirl
FF ideal for social discovery as long as folks hooking up enough of their services. I like the "noise" of FF. - Stephen Francoeur
...and Plurk, and Facebook, and Pownce, and Jaiku, and more to come. Twitter for its simplicity and all the add-on apps and all the others for conversations or smaller groups with specific interests. - Brenda Young
agree! - Clay Newton
Agree! To me, it's "FriendTweed" - David Cook
Just for you Jeremiah (Just a rough draft) http://tinyurl.com/55eof3 - David Cook
currently it's only Friendfeed cause twitter has lowered the allowed API requests. I don't use Twitter via web - Frank Hamm
Completely agree - Peggy Gartin
Pretty much agree. - Bec
Twitter+FriendFeed! - Igor Poltavskiy
Agree - Summer
FriendFeed
Ryan Kuder posted a message
July 1 at 6:52 am - Link
Teach Yourself Programming in Ten Years: http://norvig.com/21-days.html (that's intended to be encouraging, by the way, it's worth the effort) - Jason Wehmhoener
Also, consider Django. Python has been around a bit longer than Ruby and many feel it is an easier language to learn. On the other hand, Ruby has "why's poignant guide to ruby" http://poignantguide.net/ruby/ - Jason Wehmhoener
Here's Dive Into Python http://www.diveintopython.org/ and the Django Book http://www.djangobook.com/ - Jason Wehmhoener
why's guide is worth reading just for the cartoons, even if you decide to go the Python route. - James Williams (willia4)
Wow. Thanks, Jason! I'm working on a project and my team is using Ruby on Rails--I want to know more of what's going on and be able to pitch in if I can. It's not an arbitrary choice. I'll check some of these out. - Ryan Kuder
Ryan, that's on my agenda too! If Matt can do it, anyone can (j/k). :) - Jennifer Van Grove via twhirl
Ryan: also look at Programming Ruby, The Pragmatic Programmer's Guide http://www.ruby-doc.org/docs/P... - Jason Wehmhoener
Ryan better choice do Google search on ruby metaprogramming metaprogramming is the key without it you will not get ruby..unfortunately no 10 level community college courses cover metaprogrammignthey only over comp lang syntax which gets no anywhere close to do RoR apps the right way. - Fred Grott
Learning programming is definitely worth the effort. I'm not sure I'd start with Rails, though. Rails (and Django, for that matter) is a framework, sort of a black box that hides some of the inner workings of web programming. While it's designed to make your job as a developer easier for larger projects, it actually makes it harder to understand and develop your first "Hello, World" apps. In addition, Rails apps are hard to deploy on your typical shared webhost and Ruby support is not that widespread. - Ole Begemann
What Ole says is very true. On the other hand, Ryan works for Apple, and Leopard has Rails pre-installed, eh? - Jason Wehmhoener
(cont'd from last comment) ... So Python might be a better choice for you. In any case, I'd recommend starting with pure Ruby or pure Python and only learn about Rails or Django when you have some understanding of the underlying language and know how to write simple CGI programs with it. - Ole Begemann
@Ole: Yeah, I get that. Fortunately, I'm not a total n00b. I taught myself some basic Java a while back and have a few computer science courses under my belt. Right now, I'm looking for *practical* above all else, and nothing screams practical like filling an immediate need. - Ryan Kuder
@Jason: I don't work for Apple. I'm a former Yahoo (who isn't these days?) and I'm working on a start-up. I'll have to check if Leopard has Rails installed. If not, I'm sure one of my engineering guys can help hook me up. - Ryan Kuder
Ryan: sorry, I wrote my comment before reading that your team is actually working with Rails. In that case, Ruby/Rails is definitely the way to go. - Ole Begemann
The Pragmatic Programmers have a book called "Learning To Program" which teaches noobs how to do basic programming in Ruby. Grok all of that first, then get a copy of their "Everyday Scripting Book" which is a little more in depth. Then, if you consumed all of that you're ready for the Third Edition of "Agile Web Development in Rails" also by the same publisher. Once you understand all of that you should be able to quit your marketing job and code for a living. Good luck! - Tad Donaghe
Ryan - I'm in the same position. I've started trying to teach myself Rails. I've started here: www.buildingwebapps.com/ and I'm going to take a community college course in August. So - we can be learning buddies. - David Cohn
my ruby prrogramming notes use to be at programmersheaven.com they may still be there - Fred Grott
I learned Rails with the standard book, "Agile Web Development with Rails". It has a good tutorial on building a complete webapp (online store) but is not the best for later reference and in-depth info (I like The Rails Way for that). It's available as a PDF but nothing beats a paper book for learning.AWDWR teaches you the basics about Ruby. If you need to know more, I prefer "The Ruby Programming Language" over "Programming Ruby" (the standard book in the Ruby/Rails community). - Ole Begemann
Head First Programming (http://www.headfirstlabs.com/b...) isn't due until October but looks to be another great 'Welcome to Programming' kind of thing. They use Python, too. (I'm an F# fan but Ruby and Python are both great.) - Akiva Moskovitz
Ryan: I'm embarrassed, had you mixed up with another Ryan I know. We met at Yahoo about 2 1/2 years ago, very briefly. - Jason Wehmhoener
Part of it too is putting it in your Context Ryan.. for example Ryan would be best served on starting building a Ruby on Rails presentation application as that it directly relates to Marketing and is the best vehicle for Ryan to learn Ruby on Rails programming. - Fred Grott
FriendFeed is awesome. Thanks for everyone's help. - Ryan Kuder
Ooh yay - now we can give you the time of day! :P - Angela Bull via twhirl
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