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I have a new little favorite app for Mac OS X: http://bit.ly/7aov6L . It's called Two Up and essential to anyone with a large monitor - http://twitter.com/cbetta...
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Any chances that you can add Friendfeed to Tweetdeck?
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I would like that too, but it appears that nobody is monitoring this room.
- Pete Gilbert
Having to go back to Twhirl because of the lack of FF support...
- zeroinfluencer
I support this also!
- Nathan Snyder
Imagine a world where there is no money. Would it be better than this one? I actually think it probably would be... People could choose to do whatever they want and everybody would have their basic services provided for. It would be an all volunteer work-force who would work towards providing the basic services
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For an example, see Star Trek: http://friendfeed.com/itafrom...
- Mark Trapp
@Mark, ah yes Star Trek had no money... But I am not so sure about the command-control system. Seemed too much like the military
- Bindu Reddy
The Dispossessed by Ursula Le Guinn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... is a little too utopian, but is a good exploration of a completely non-money, anarchic world.
- Arvind Sundararajan
Have you been watching Star Trek again? I'm kidding, but I see that Mark has pointed this out also. I would like to think we would be better off, but it's just wishful thinking. It's a good question though!
- Michael Fidler
I thought of Star Trek when I read this, too :)
- WorldofHiglet
Star Trek is a good example but as I mentioned above I don't want a "captain" either :)
- Bindu Reddy
It's an interesting and useful train of thought. One way of approaching it is to realize that since you are proposing that work is voluntary, there is nothing really stopping you from starting now. What kind of services would you be willing to provide for free? Can you think of any services you want whose providers would be interested in accepting your services? And how do we approach...
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- Jason Wehmhoener
It could be done ... one could use a "social points" scheme where you get plus for contribution, minus for bad social or environmental impact. Playing violent video games all day will eventually drain your points, boredom would set in, you'd have to figure out something else to do. Which may include learning to make video games -- i.e. re-direct a "harmful" habit. I'm not saying violent video games are harmful, just an example.
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Actually, that's like money except non-transferable.
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
One analogy is Open Source software. Is it always better than commercial?
- Vishy
Money is simply an innocent tool for exchange. IMO it makes things easier. It represents (in most cases) the value one brings in through ones contributions/hard work.... It makes it easy for one to exchange the returns of contributions in one domain with the goods in another domain.... the price of which could be determined through free market demand & supply stuff.
- Vipul Rawat
Star Trek shows the military/science arm of the United Federation of Planets, Starfleet, but civilians in the Star Trek universe have all basic meets provided for, and are free to do whatever they feel is their life's work: the UFP is a republic, not a militocracy. The invention of technologies like the replicator are crucial to the lack of money. In many ways, Star Trek is the...
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- Mark Trapp
Vipul - I don't see why we need to constantly "calibrate"/"measure" our value. What if we are OK with people how bring little value? there will always be people who will bring a lot of value and won't mind doing it for free
- Bindu Reddy
@bindu IMO the world is a better place when people do things that make them happy 'cos they contribute well in the process (which makes everyone gain from it) plus happy people typically make people around them happy as well. Given this logic, if helping out others makes one happy, one should do it ... not for the sake of others but for their own happiness and satisfaction. There's...
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- Vipul Rawat
Read NEWS FROM NOWHERE by William Morris (1890). One of my favorite stories. Morris was an amazing artist, craftsman, author, and socialist. But unlike many socialists, he believed that work should be creative and pleasurable. It's available online for free at http://www.marxists.org/archive...
- Ranger Craig
Bindu, sounds like Communism to me. I've talked to enough people who grew up in the USSR to know that that a 'moneyless' system where the state provides your basic needs is not a viable system. Humans are greedy, materialistic, power hungry and entrepreneurial. In an a extreme socialistic society like the USSR, 'money' or a barter system is created and a huge black market is formed to fill the void.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I'm pretty sure that a volunteer work force to provide the basic needs of all would not work if there is no benefit for those who actually work vs those who are lazy and don't. The easy way out would be to not participate and reap the benefits of the suckers who did work. Some entrepreneurial folks, would sponge off the system and spend their time creating wealth for themselves in the black market. Neither activity would benefit society.
- Jeff P. Henderson
This post made me wonder how many plumbers there are and how many people there are who would volunteer to be plumbers. Why plumbers? I don't know; that's just the first thing that came to mind, maybe because I was reading about Mario & Luigi earlier.
- Amit Patel
hmm, everyone who is a plumber could have been something else, so why are there any plumbers now?
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Bindu, I asked this question a while back - yes I think it would be a better place. :-) Money is one of the main evils of this World.
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, money is just a tool, greed and power are the main evils of the world. Removing the exchange mechanism won't change this.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I highly doubt removing money would make any difference. People would just move to other forms of currency and barter and trade.
- Itachi
++ Jeff P. Henderson
- Vipul Rawat
Money is actually a cleaner form of exchange. Other forms will be much more complicated. We need to note that we evolved from the other systems to what we have today. People who have issues with money will also typically have issues with other forms of exchange
- Vipul Rawat
Money is pretty innocuous. Banking (specifically lending) can have some pretty serious issues however. When banks can create money out of nothing through leverage with minimal restriction, they end up with a great deal of power over the value of money. When this happens the value of money becomes disconnected from the value of goods and services. The history of banking in the united...
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- Jason Wehmhoener
i visited a commune in the 60's - when volunteers were needed to dig a septic field, 80% of the communers said they had "other things to do" - a few did the work that benefited many - (we are who we are and we take us with us wherever us goes) -
- sally stokhamer
Anyone interested in the theory of communes should read http://bit.ly/7FHQLM , "Monetary Theory and the Great Capitol Hill Baby-Sitting Co-op Crisis," by Sweeney and Sweeney. It seems that people need incentives to cooperate.
- Daniel Dulitz
Jeff - Communism was all about the state dictating stuff and spending all their time and money and things that were not useful to society. While I agree money is a tool. It is also part of the reason you are greedy. IF resources are plentiful and there is nothing to be greedy over.. Maybe there will be a lot less greed in the society.
- Bindu Reddy
Agreed, if everyone has all of their material needs taken care of in the best possible way at no cost to themselves, and there are no shortages of any resources to contend with, then their is no need for money.
- Alex Scrivener
++ Alex Scrivener
- Vipul Rawat
Seems like it would be hard for your startup company to get funded. ;)
- Cristo
@Bindu - greed will always be there - not for the resources/money in your scenario, but for other stuff like one's social image/status, etc. Society will always value one thing or the other and people will get greedy about it. It's human nature to come out superior.... and it's part of evolutionary stuff. No system is perfect and we don't have unlimited resources. One has to go for the...
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- Vipul Rawat
Somalia?
- Hayes Haugen
your pontification makes no sense! money is simply a standard index to measure the value of things, so we can exchange dissimilar assets. i quite like hayes haugen's comment above :)
- Hareesh Nagarajan
Clearly Somalia does not have enough resources for everyone...
- Bindu Reddy
@Hayes: Somalia is an interesting situation. There is money, but there is no one "Somalia", because different states exist where the one once was. Somaliland has its own currency, as does Puntland, Maakhir, and others. But foreign currencies are used heavily as well. The Somali diaspora sends money back home to families and keep many of them solvent as well.
- Itachi
I think even without thing such as money, we would find something else to direct our greed. Greed is necessary for progress but too much greed is the problem.
- ashish
I know there are other forms of non-monetary systems, but I'm going back to Star Trek because it's most familiar: in it, money isn't replaced by another monetary unit. There are no credits, dollar primes, or other things by which all things' values are pegged. Instead, basic resources are so trivial to produce that even if there were a capitalist economy, they'd be worthless. So, a...
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- Mark Trapp
With resources that are scarce, they use a barter system, but a barter system is not a direct replacement for money. Bartering determines the value of items between two parties: there is no index by which they can say "I want more than what I really need for this." A dilithium crystal may be worth two warp converters to person A because he really needs two warp converters, or it may be...
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- Mark Trapp
Which comes to the problem people identify with money: it encourages hoarding. If you consume less than you need (or receive more than you need), you can save more, which means things become more scarce, which makes that which you saved worth more. The argument is that money (and subsequently capitalism), in many ways, is antithetical to the continued success of a society.
- Mark Trapp
Mark, Love your comments. It crystallizes my thoughts really well...
- Bindu Reddy
Jason: some fraction of actions are gift or donation based, such as volunteering, or perhaps distributed computing projects, that use only idle system resources
- Mike Chelen
BTW, everyone should watch “Dirty Jobs” sometime.
- Amit Patel
The usual suspects are threatening to dismantle our Internet - http://www.inquisitr.com/48871...
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Is it me or is Friendfeed picking up steam again ?? How cool is that ... :)
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Depends. It is you, or it is true.
- Louis Gray
Others that left FF for twitter in the great Scoble Walk out are coming back because they learned that Twitter has too much noise as they complained many times here. So they come back and see similar great information and conversations continuing without the noise.
- Uncle CW™
no it was just Chrome OS i think that led to a large number of posts flowing in but now ff is not much
- testbeta
Learning curve: 1. Friendfeed is cool. 2. Twitter may be cooler than Friendfeed. 3. No, Friendfeed is much cooler than Twitter. 4. There is no alternative or competitor to Friendfeed out there.
- Sean McBride
I don't really know. It seems steamy to me.
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
Anytime someone tries to make broad generalizations about the community in FF or any decentralized social networking site without published global metrics, I think it's important to remind them that your view of the social network is purposefully tinted by the friends and connections you make there. Your FriendFeed is very different than my FriendFeed and generally very different from anyone who doesn't share the same overlapping set of connections that you do.
- Bill Strathearn
Interview: Folk singer Kate Rusby - The Wharf - http://news.google.com/news...
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Unused bandstands the best for free music - Times Online - http://news.google.com/news...
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Spain's organic farmers dodge recession - BBC News - http://news.google.com/news...
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The Trocadero, Paris. Eurostar breaks - http://capitalstyle.co.uk/parisbr...
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Just attended a live Performance of AWESOME guitar by @aroberts on UStream - check out the recording - http://bit.ly/3lQo16 - http://twitter.com/Louisin...
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Demystifying the "duplicate content penalty" - http://googlewebmastercentral....
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Great post! Just what I wanted to know!
- TrafficBug
Re: FriendFeed Comments WordPress Plugin - http://blog.slaven.net.au/wordpre...
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"I am trying to install but am getting Error: Unable to retrieve content from FriendFeed. The API may be down or there may be connectivity problems Is anyone having issues with the FF api...?"
- Allison
ma nessuno risponde???
- Ilbellodelweb
Video: Google's Matt Cutts Presentation at WordCamp - http://www.seroundtable.com/archive...
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Deep relief and thanks to @aroberts my b… - http://lindamhartley.co.uk/deep-re...
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#30DC Meetup in London. Sunday 2nd Aug. 12:30pm. Barbican Centre @nrocy @Toranika maverick18 @BarbaraFox @aroberts http://bit.ly/188GgF - http://twitter.com/crazyti...
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The fragile ecology of the festival circuit - Financial Times - http://news.google.com/news...
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theblogpaper.co.uk | Free London newspaper filled up with posts from blogging community website starts in September - http://theblogpaper.co.uk/
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"theblogpaper.co.uk is a news community which allows anyone to publish written and visual work online and in print. Rating and commenting, in other words the community defines what is being promoted to front pages as well as to the newspaper. Our aim is to publish the first user – generated newspaper in London by the end of September 2009."
- Ton Zijp
from Bookmarklet
Paul Bradshaw had an interview with one of the initiators: http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2009...
- Ton Zijp
Joni Mitchell-Born to Take the Highway (1965) - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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