Getting used to the new MBP trackpad is going to take time. Not having a dedicated button is throwing me off as I typically keep one finger on the pad and another on the button; never removing either when not typing. This doesn't work so well with the new trackpads.
Maybe I'm just lucky but I acclimated quickly. Then again, I've always had tapping turned on other laptops I've owned so I was kind of used to it anyway.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I've heard that you can do a lot with that trackpad much like the iphone it is supposed to recognize multi touch functions like pinch to zoom etc.
- David C. Cooper
I now keep all but one off the pad when moving around. As long as only your thumb is kept at the bottom, it shouldn't be a problem since that software update. The multi finger gestures are unbeatable though. Four fingers expose swiping up and show desktop swiping down rocks!
- Brandon Titus
It took me quite a while. I actually bought the new model but kept using my old Macbook for months. Finally I forced myself to get used to it and it wasn't too bad once I committed to it. I don't think I use it very well, though.
- joey
I have the older type with the button and Nadine has the newer one. Really throws me off when I use her computer for a minute.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Once you get used to it you'll never turn back. Get to know the gestures, too - huge help. I can't stand normal trackpads now.
- Jesse Stay
I, too, am getting acclimated to the pad. I'm getting burned every 58 minutes by a mis-select of text and/or failure to double-tap when I should have tapped, or single-tapping and not remembering to single-tap again to turn off select. Craziness often ensues, but ends with a single tap. Going back to a 'classic' pad bites me in the butt, for the first few moments, too.
- Jason Miller
Just use it as if it had a button. It's ok to keep your thumb resting in the area where the button would be (it doesn't count as an extra "touch" for the multi-touch gestures).
- Ben Darnell
I'll second Ben. The less you think about it, the better it works.
- Kevin Fox
Thanks Ben. I must not have had my thumb far down enough before. It does work reasonably well.
- Benjamin Golub
Like Ben, I use the "invisible" button too. Also, very useful: 2 fingers for scrolling and next/previous, three for page up/down, four to hide apps/exposé. However, I can't get used to the horizontal four fingers move to switch apps since it requires to swith *and* click :(
- Jérôme Flipo
It took me a day or two, now I would hate to go back.
- Sean O'Connor
I have the same issue as you describe. I guess the only solution is time.
- Angus Burton
I love that Bret, Paul, and Kevin checked in. They probably are looking at their screens and asking "what do we do now?" how about ship some new features before Facebook overlords take you off to do bigger things?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I feel sorry for all you addicts. My use of it is purely social.
- Bruce Lewis
I do like FF and use it almost every day. Wouldn't it be great if FB either left it alone so we can continue to use it as "professionals," or somehow incorporate it into a more "mature" version of FB that didn't have all the annoying, time-wasting apps, games, etc. I'd much prefer a totally customizable FF "wall."
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I think FFundercats HO!!!!! would have worked but I'm here anyways.
- Jimminy Fuller
Actively fighting addiction to anything on a daily basis, but I'm still a FriendFeed fan! (I'd have been here sooner but I've been staring at Phoebe Cates pics for longer than I realized.)
- Mark "Mr Bolivious" J
Thank you Robert Scoble to be here. :) BTW is this looks interesting for FF replacement? : http://streamy.com/ ? May be... I'll try it to see. :)
- Claude LaFrenière
Why should I? Whats in it for me? You doing some sort of survey of people to send out the police to do a "Safety Check" on when the site is shutdown?
- CW™
here. anecdote: a friend of mine just signed up for FF this evening. apparently the FriendFeed hype of the last 24 hours pushed him over the top. leaves me wondering whether FF has actually gained users today?it would be a crafty way of marketing the service. I'll wake up tomorrow to discover that there was a problem with the paperwork and the FriendFeed team have had a change of heart.
- JSLeFanu
from BuddyFeed
Count me in even though I was just starting to get hooked. I guess it's time to find a rehab and get all sobered up until the next relapse with some other new addiction. Isn't life grand?
- Usman Bashir
oh hey, look, the added an "add comment" link to the end of the comment list. Huzzah!
- Brett Kelly
from iPhone
++Jay. I was going to do the same thing yesterday but I didn't want to pay the money.
- David Cook - 2010!!!
David -- this was a $9.95 session but you can get them for $7.95 and there are also 25% off coupons if you do online check-in prior to your Delta flight. That's an incentive for folks to use that service and offload kiosk use at the terminals. Very savvy marketing by the folks at GoGo and Delta combined.
- Jay Cuthrell
well, it's 12:12 a.m. and I'm perusing FF from my iPhone via BuddyFeed before turning in. so yeah, I guess I count. "Here!" (raises hand)
- Don Faulkner
from BuddyFeed
I recommend FF to some of my clients, and there are some companies and nonprofits with presences here—not like Twitter, but I'll be curious how that will be affected when FB takes over more. Most have FB fan pages, groups and/or causes, too.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Yeah, me too. I just saw the request to have a comment link at the bottom of the comments from one of your friends just yesterday and here it is. I'd say they are listening. Thanks FF.
- Keith Rowland
И так чятег, пока Скобл не поговорит с нами представителями СовиетФрендфидика, все мои записи теперь можно читать в этом тредике. Пользуясь случае передаю Парню Бухайту и его команде большой привет, в связи с тем что [He can has sleep naw].
- ideali
превед кетаец! давай сегодня сделаем тебя счастливым!
- Махатма Бугоганди
точно! поэт, пародист, переводчик. известный блоггер.
- Махатма Бугоганди
я вчера был в издательстве, с меня сведения об авторе просят. давайте, говорят, напишем, где учился, что генеральный директор. и что известный блоггер.
- Махатма Бугоганди
а можно получить профессию известного блоггера? какие экзамены сдавать надо? какую специализацию лучше выбрать - микроблоггинг или аудиоподкастинг?
- Махатма Бугоганди
Один чувак пришол в чятег и говорит я известный блоггер кто тут тру на первый второй рассчитайсь. А ему говорят чувак у тебя сертификат есть что ты известный блоггер? Вот иди Зайке экзамен сдай потом приходи. А Зайка стоит такой с топором и улыбается. Щас думает счастливым его сделаю.
- Махатма Бугоганди
Я потерял интерес в данный момент. Я буду скрывать, как и любой другой. Это хромой, что вы захватили этот. Пивные правила. Спокойной ночи. :-)
- Matthew Horton
More than a friend of FriendFeed, was starting to use it as a full lifestreaming platform and loved it. It's made a whole lot of other sites make sense.
- achean
Hi, I'm Bette... I don't know if I'm an addict, but I can't stay away... I keep checking, just to see if something's new... and I cry if I get no responses to a post. Is that addictive behavior? :D
- Bette Cooper
Yup, I have blocked all the impersonators now. You will still see them, but I don't see them and they no longer can comment on any of my items.
- Robert Scoble
@scobleizer As far as I can see you have blocked not only the impersonators (who renamed themselves back the moment they found out you have a problem with this) but most of the folks who chatted there.
- Махатма Бугоганди
@meatreach yes, see next thread. Scobble becomes anti-Russian.
- Never Impersonate You
Maxatma: well, that's just too bad. I speak English. Sorry. People who don't speak English really don't have any business commenting on one of my items, except in rare cases.
- Robert Scoble
Why you, Robert Scoble, don't block users from Spain or Italy? China or arabic countries? Those users that comments on non-English languages?
- Never Impersonate You
@Robert, in fact they do speak English. But they also do make fun of Friendfeed and everything that's going on there. You can block them or take part in this fun. ;)
- Махатма Бугоганди
I prefer FF over twitter and facebook, but all my friends are on twitter and/or facebook. Maybe facebook will get it right this time now that it has acquired FF. If they simplify it a bit more without removing functionality. Then I would spend a bit more time on FB. Lets hope all goes well with the merger. If not I'm jumping ship and going over to Google Wave. oh wait, I'm going to go with Google Wave regardless! ;-)
- Captain Jack
Bu arada Russian friends Turkiye'ye selamlar gonderiyor.
- ideali
@scobleizer i can speak english and i beg you to remove bann from all russian friendfeeders, because we are all from it-community, working in internet companies and we came with peace, you asked for feedback from friendfeed addicts — we show you how really it is being frf addicts, we change names, we chat, we making things that are not serious. Why so serious? Unlock people, they are not bots, they just playing the game of real addicts and have fun. Common.
- ideali
shaun: I started this post to demonstrate that a lot of us are still here and aren't likely to leave. At least not quickly. So, life goes on after FriendFeed gets acquired by Facebook. Point proved.
- Robert Scoble
Robert He says ; Our Russian friends say to hello to Turkey
- Osman Üngür
ideali: have them send email to scobleizer@gmail.com and I'll unblock anyone who says they weren't impersonating me.
- Robert Scoble
Hector: good morning! I need coffee.
- Robert Scoble
@robert yes they (we will) stay here, I think tat the migration process will take time and after reading @Paul Bucheit, I think that what we all are trying to get even if we don't say it explicitly is to preserve a kind of intimacy (beeing a part of the Huge faceBook community) don't mean that FF community will preserve their intimacy, why should a community be a plan one, (let imagine a community as a set of sub-community) that all.
- abdellah
Wow!! So many likes and comments; is it a record Rob?
- میر «عرفان» موسوی
@scobleizer thank you, for understanding. be cool, guys we just want have fun here a little. Take care.
- ideali
@Robert RE "I have enough noise in my life. I don't need to have more" - isn't it a lot of noise having 26K subscriptions and 46K subscribers on your frf account? I'm kind of surprised - you create a community that large around yourself, yet when you see a new and unusual activity you just block it right away.
- Махатма Бугоганди
@Robert, patience? Who's talking about patience? It's about curiosity, not patience. When something strange and unusual happens around you, you can either try to stop it or try to see what it can develop into. You choose to stop - and it stopped. Well, not stopped - just moved to some other place. And do you really know what it was and what it was about to bring you?
- Махатма Бугоганди
I'm here all the way from South Africa! I dig this service and I'm not quite ready to give it up. Regardless of the news about the acquisition, this remains an awesome service.
- Paul Jacobson
I'm new to ff but find more valuable information here than anywhere else!
- Janet Crance
I don't know how I rate my addiction relative to others, but I shared Hitler's reaction upon hearing the acquisition news (despite happiness for Paul and Bret)
- Chris Duffy
I'm sure this is part of Scoble's plot to poll all the people who really read his posts, and unfollow the rest. So I raise my hand.
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Just a wannabe. Not an addict (yet).
- Carole Hicks
It might also be a way for me to filter down my "following" count (diff (my followers, scoble)) are the only people I really need to follow. Those that scoble follows, I can safely unfollow and use Scoble as my social media filter :)
- Shivanand Velmurugan
pardon the arrogance but it really sucks this great forum of sharing will turn into a myspace humdrum. Now I have to find another SM where first adopters and well informed techies won't haft to compete with general "noise"
- earl wallace
Well, here's a comment I can later delete and rob the owner of 1500!
- Matthew DeVries
I just mention the 1500 mark since it was such an iconic query to see... that and the 500 Likes club of FF posts. It's pretty exclusive stuff... but it's also sobering to note that the subject matter required to get to these levels isn't always a uniform mix of cares/concerns.
- Jay Cuthrell
When I heard the FaceBook news, I tried to quit FriendFeed and I couldn't... I'M HOOKED
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
i clicked the "1488 more comments" and my computer nearly exploded. and yes, i am using an amiga 500.
- jack
Now that I have instructions (thanks LouisGray) and figured out my Bookmarklet! I am LOVING the ease of use! addict - not quite...
- Robyn Hawk
Actually, I lied. I am not a die-hard friendfeed fan. I desperately want to be but have just not been able to get into a good "feeding" rhythm. Maybe I need to add some more friends
- Anant Gairola
I don't need to be addict. I'm just here, everyday, absorbing so many geeky info :D There's no place like FF
- Lysender
I'm still with ya, Robert. Whatever FB paid for FF, it wasn't enough!
- Donald C. Lindsay
New here, but learning. Tips for best use?
- Barbara Langham
@bdlangam From my perspective the #1 tip in this category is: Explore and define "best use" for yourself. Despite potential "finishing" impression of some productive consolidations in this collective-collaborative cognition space, the emergent #cognosphere is still WAY too nascent to assert anything other than initial impressions. March to the beat of your own drum; build your own...
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- michael silverton
yeah sorry, late. was at Shambhala Music Festival, I know tardy, sorry...
- sofarsoShawn
I'm getting hooked, still figuring it all out
- Michele McGraw
I think I do. Not enough contacts to make a impression.
- Michael Schlag
Obviously I can't provide a lot of detailed plans and guarantees, but I can tell you that I'll do my personal best to ensure that the FriendFeed users and community are treated right. I love this product too, and don't want to see it disappear.
FriendFeed lets me use people as filters to turn data into information. Facebook doesn't. Until it does, please, Please, PLEASE keep FriendFeed as a destination alive.
- AJ Kohn
congrats guys! facebook needs what you got!
- Lorna Herf
I'm sorry that I haven't said more about this. As you can imagine, it has been an extraordinarily busy day (and I've barely slept in the past week).
- Paul Buchheit
I'll add my plea to the chorus: Please don't take FriendFeed away from us. And don't make us go to Facebook (because we won't). FriendFeed means a lot to a lot of people and the thought that it will dry up and blow away shortly is very disturbing.
- Lindsay is in 20-ten
It's still great to hear from you Paul. Congrats on that new swimming pool full of cash. :D
- Tad
Simply glad you're here now. You've always been a very responsive and transparent team. As much as I cringe at the thought of FF going away, I *am* happy for you and the team.
- AJ Kohn
I request you make it to the next scheduled FFundercats podcast to talk to the community. This announcement deserves a live appearance to the community.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Have been dealing unsucessfully with Twitter for two days, trying to get logged in...Their password reset page says"Snap we can't find you." I keep writing to Tech Support at Twitter and get their helpful auto-generated Twitter Trouble shooting email. My problem is not there. =( Hope FriendFeed does not get that blaise about helping users. @EV
- SashaKane
If FB can't keep the service running, would you consider open-sourcing the thing, so we can?
- Christopher Galtenberg
from iPhone
Hi Paul, thanks for the assurances. In the future, I would highly suggest that you make this sort of statement shortly after the initial merger release. Thanks again.
- Alex Scoble
I would like to give you a hug right now Paul. However, that would be awkward and April might beat me up so I will just say thank you and press the like button.
- EricaJoy
Thank you for affirming that. Much appreciated.
- Karoli
A few more points that would be nice to have addressed soon. Ability to export data, tool to import friends to Facebook, and will ff.im urls continue to function?
- Mark Krynsky
Those that like friendfeed as is should be most pleased with this statement, as it probably means maintenance to keep the current system as is, without as much attention to new features. It's also good news for all those who like both friendfeed and facebook, as facebook will likely adopt the better features from friendfeed
- Ivan Kirigin
Thanks for making FriendFeed what it is, and lets hope it stays that way, though there's slim chance of that
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Now that I think about it: are you kidding me? They've already stated that FriendFeed's going to be absorbed into Facebook. What kind of sleight-of-hand are you trying to pull now, Paul?
- Akiva Moskovitz
@EricaJoy: I have nothing against hugs. :)
- April Buchheit
Thanks, Paul. I've been getting more and more depressed thinking about the bad ways this could go. The reassurances help a bit, at least. In fact, just hearing you speak on the point is encouraging - the open lines of communication between the FriendFeed team and its users has always been one of the great things about FriendFeed that I'm afraid will be lost with the Facebook buyout. And yes, a FFundercats appearance would be a great idea.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I don't want to read too much into this reassurance but the "personal best" remark made me think like there is not a united FF anymore and that it's up to your personal efforts to prevent it from being eaten by FB :)
- Turker Keskinpala
you can sell the tech but the community can not be bought sold transferred or merged
- Robert Higgins
from f2p
Turker, I do believe that this deal was the right decision -- I'll write a bit more about that when I get a chance. I say that I'll do my "personal best" because I will -- it would be misleading to make promises on other's behalf :)
- Paul Buchheit
Paul: I'm hopeful that this will be the best for both Facebook and Friendfeed. What you and the staff at FF have done is amazing, with only 12 people! I love the service here. I also enjoy Facebook (one I ignore all quizzes and stupid apps), but in a different way. Hoping some coolness can be brought to both. Good luck to you and your team!
- Travis B. Hartwell
this echoes star wars galaxies, incredible unique community. but they upgraded it to be like world of warcraft. this is a replay of the devs soothing messages. the forums were livid the community evaporated.
- Robert Higgins
from f2p
When socialmedian was acquired by Xing they left it alone. I hope the same happens here. I'm sure you will do your best though!
- Michael Fidler
On behalf of the Dutch citizens our Queen wants to let you know: Thx Paul.
- Ton Zijp
Don't know what to say, so lets start with big congrats! from one hand, as an early member of Friendfeed I think we've created here a very cool, collaborative and tech-savvy/passionate community of great people that all probably wish to stick around as much as possible. From the other hand, I know how corporates work and it takes one small decision of share holders to close Friendfeed...
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- Nir Ben Yona
My first reaction is disappointment. I don't believe big corporations do better than small ones. Facebook is inferior to FriendFeed, although it's user base is much larger. Clearly FriendFeed won't survive in the long term, unless it is open sourced. Why not open up and embrace the wonders of the GPL instead of joining forces with the Walled Garden no #1? Facebook don't even operate with permalinks,.
- Morten Blaabjerg
Thanks for the explanation Paul. Of course, I congratulate you guys. I think anyone would do the same thing if they were in your shoes :)
- Turker Keskinpala
Ryo: if you delete your account everything goes away. I totally disagree with you about Facebook, but that's OK.
- Robert Scoble
Good to hear. Unfortunately I think Facebook are going to download the brains of all FriendFeed staff then kill FF.
- Michael McGimpsey
but Paul it is going to disappear - Facebook bought FF not for the site but for you guys. So obviously once its integrated into Facebook, development on FF will stop
- Anthony Feint
If FriendFeed and all of it's functionality get integrated into Facebook I'm all for it.
- Hugh Isaacs II
Paul - that's great news. It surely can't cost a lot to keep this place running and it's a good place to try out ideas before they move to FB.
- Martin Bryant
what about improving the product and making sure it gets more users, not only supports those who stay?
- Ihar Mahaniok
Ihar - unlikely. Facebook bought FF for the developer talent, not for FriendFeed itself.
- Martin Bryant
from iPhone
Martin - I also think so, and it is most likely. But I could still have a hope
- Ihar Mahaniok
Paul, please - underpromise & overdeliver...they say it works.
- A.T.
Nice to hear. Too bad you don't call the shots anymore.
- jcunwired
FriendFeed is Dead! Long Live FriendFeed! (nice name for Facebook skunkworks) I'm sure everyone would love to see FriendFeed itself stay around, even if the innovations that happen are geared towards implementation at Facebook. Thanks for this note Paul! :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
There are a few promises and guarantees that you SHOULD be able to provide. Like, that our network of friends will remain intact and that the features that make this site great will remain. If you can't make those promises, then you shouldn't have done the deal. I sure do hope that the real-time search engine wasn't the centerpiece of this deal (it probably was), because that certainly...
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- Brad Williamson
Paul you did such a nice job with friendfeed, and I so want to believe you, but I'm not sure I can. Not because of you, but because of your new employer. Because your new employer is no longer you, and while I have kind of come to trust you, I do not trust your new boss. Not at all. Please prove me wrong, if they'll let you.
- Jim in Real Time
Paul - thanks for that reassurance. PLEASE stick to that! I was in the middle of reading and participating in a lengthy discussion off of a Robert Scoble post yesterday ... then I came up for air and saw your news. Congratulations - I have no idea what that feels like or how pumped you must be. There are so many things FF does that I LOVE...I know you know that. Please Please PLease dont' go away! Thanks!
- Tobin Truog
Thank you, I think everyone here loves Friendfeed. :)
- Hunt
from BuddyFeed
This is nice to hear, and I really hope that FriendFeed will keep on living. I still have some pain in my stomach because of this :/
- Patrik Johansson
First zombie/mafia request and we're all outta here....
- Fossil Huntress
+1 Fossil Huntress The partitioning of the networks between friendfeed and facebook was a major feature that many people made use of, lacking appropriate controls for who sees what. Merging the two groups of friends isn't going to work, at all.
- Mr. Gunn
we all know what needs to happen. the question is, where? ... FB needs, - apart from being/it is, a large, general, open application platform, - 1. Smart keyboard shortkatze - and Im a kbsCzar to go to, 2. Aggregating facilities, smart /RSS/ .. 3. Full blogging facilities, capabilities, not 140 chars. 4. Full real time comments facilities, capabilities. 5. Real time, live, but ALSO...
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- Petr Buben
I hope you're being open and honest with us. This time. :(
- Kamilah Gill
Thank you! I am sure you will do great things at FB. I just hope that the great app you built here isn't destroyed. I don't know of any other aggregation app that I can embed into my site like this one!
- beersage
Congratulations on your successes, best wishes for more. And thanks for continuing to look out for us loyal, addicted FFanatics!
- Rob Schieber
I hope it continues, i'm a new user and absolutely love it (wish i knew the value of it before)! Congrats!
- Luis D. Santos
As nice as it sounds I'm sorry to say that as a, now, Facebook's employee I'm afraid you'll have to comply to whatever your new boss tells you. Didn't MZ make it clear?
- lelapin
and let me add second, obvious, "Facebook needs" - Friendfeed bookmarklet, and Friendfeed tools - widgets, embedding - real time and not - of posts, and groups ...to embedd, to inject oneself into this thing called Internet ..... so, if FB listens to FF engineering long enough, they are going to get it .. right
- Petr Buben
Paul, what I am worried is not that you're brainwashed, but that there's simply no business need for Facebook to improve FriendFeed from now on, period.
- Ihar Mahaniok
I have confidence Paul. While some of the comments were probably uncalled for, covering an investment (of time and money) in these times to move on and hopefully provide even 'better stuff' makes sense to me. It's pretty obvious there are a LOT of people that don't want to 'lose' Friendfeed. (I wouldn't hold a town hall for a few weeks though :)
- Charlie Anzman
Congrats, Paul. It's sad that people have to make these uncalled for hatred comments about Facebook though. Why can't both sites work together. I think Facebook will do better with FF and vise versa. Take the good features of both services. Don't boycott FB, enjoy it. I'm sick of the negative comments going on, that's all. :(
- Molly, New Ears :P
Molly: What makes you think there's going to be a "vise versa?"
- Christopher A Carr
Because I don't think Paul and the other FF developers would allow FB to do anything. I'm sorry, I am not going to think negative here like some here are. I guess I'm a fangirl for FB.
- Molly, New Ears :P
Finally something about the changes on the horizon that isn't all d0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0om and whining. Thank you, Paul! :D
- Christian (Simply X)
The time to think about how you could do your 'personal best' to ensure FriendFeed continues to exist was prior to the discussions with Facebook. Not after.
- Andy C
Paul, what about the content scam that FB T&C is, does it apply to Friendfeed now? Should we all start writing scripts to retroactively delete all content ever uploaded to Friendfeed? Elaborated a bit here - http://friendfeed.com/mbravo...
- Michael Bravo
We know you'll try your best, Paul. But sometimes, you just can't win the dark side...
- Winston Teo
Thanks Paul for all your efforts. Founders often want the best, but acquiring companies often have people with political/power issues or different/limited visions.
- Mitchell Tsai
*throws a sheep at Paul* is that a good thing?
- Joe
from iPod
yes, thank you, Sergeant Paul ... well, good to hear we go on ... because if not, how about starting www.anotherFeed.com ... or, www.Letsgofeed.com ...... anyway, lets boost blogging capabilities, post more than current amount of chars, lets have TOP POSTS / clicks count list at the head of each group, some stats, lets index group headers, lets have MORE keyboard shortcuts .. - now ......
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- Petr Buben
We've been acquired by Facebook! We are really excited about joining the Facebook team. (Note: FriendFeed will continue to operate - see the blog post for details)
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
I am hoping this will lead to nice integration for cross posting! Currently using Twitter App on FB to post and I hate those ff.im links that end up on Facebook.
- Ivan Zlatev
it was good while it lasted, Friendfeed. :(
- holly
"FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally for the time being. We're still figuring out our longer-term plans for the product with the Facebook team." Those are NOT encouraging things to read as a FF user.
- Scott of Two Countries
Sniff... not sure if I'm excited about this. But I have enormous respect for the FriendFeed team... so, I assume they believe in the move as more than an exit strategy.
- Michael Leggett
@#$& that's all I have to say. For now.
- Zachary TG
Facebook should have been aquired by Friendfeed. Why they hell would you give up your better product to a worse one? Did none of you give a shit about this service to begin wiht?
- Matthew DeVries
Coolest web 2.0 site I've ever seen & used. I hope things don't derail. Ads will be coming soon, which is fine, but.... then what 's next? Please no quizzes!
- Ben Hanten
Who would have thought that after Facebook were shamelessly being "inspired" by FriendFeed, the inevitable would have happened?
- Tyson Key
I'm pissed off. I wan to throw away the whole Internet :
- DarkBls
Hey guys, keep in mind that Facebook is blocked in workplaces across the nation. 250 million casual users commenting about last night's party does not intelligent conversation make.
- Hector
I really can't see how FB would buy FF only to shut it down. There are way too many innovations and features FF has that FB honestly needs. I'm looking forward.
- Harry Wolff
Oh, this does not make me happy. Not at all! I've stayed off of Facebook intentionally and FriendFeed is my favorite social network. This is like when the Red Sox traded Babe Ruth to the Yankees. :>(
- Larry Hawes
i have stopped using FB for the most part and liked FF alot more. now FF will go the way of FB. screwed again.
- Joe Silence is ashes
Congratulations. Enjoy the new challenges of acquisition, and I'm looking forward to the result!
- Wade Dorrell
Berge Gazen beat your score in Mafia Wars
- Berge Gazen
Enjoy your fat paychecks, guys. You've sold us out.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Bravo Bret! Been following your successes ever since we had the opportunity to work together on the YellowPages.ca / Google Maps Canada deal. Congrats!
- Sebastien
I wished it was Google or even Yahoo!, instead...
- Tyson Key
i really hope ff stays as it is. fb is kinder carder while ff is a great tool.
- jkkmobile
Not sure what to make of this. It could eiter be a big win or a huge fail.
- dorn
It could have been Microsoft, which would have been worse for everyone. :(
- Tyson Key
Can I take this opportunity to say I HATE facebook?
- Alex Scrivener
seems the only ppl happy here are the ones in the biz or who stand to profit from the merger.
- Joe Silence is ashes
I guess we should get ready to get poked by our supposed friends and have various shit thrown at us? Plus 5,000 requests by apps that nearly all suck.
- Joey Gibson
There is zero way this could have been a win for anyone, but the now rich founders.
- Matthew DeVries
If I have to go to FB to use FF then it's a lost cause
- Randy Pollock
Painful. And apparently I completely misunderstood what FF was trying to accomplish both technically and as an organization. I guess Facebook must have dangled a pretty big bag of money in front of them.
- Ken Sheppardson
FriendFeed is Dead! Long Live FriendFeed! :/
- Tyson Key
I will reserve judgement, i don't like or use FB but if FF maintains it's current goodness i don't care who cuts the checks.
- Steve C
I hope this doesn't turn into an APP filled hunk of crap. I love FriendFeed, it was the untouched gem of microblogging. I don't want Mafia Wars invited in my FriendFeed!!! Congrats on the sale though.
- Jay Farmington
@Philipp: until the new masters start flexing their muscles and bringing in their own people to enforce their own vision.
- Joe Silence is ashes
I read the blog post and one statement stands out to me "FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally for the time being." The time being. This is not just bad, I think it may be #FAIL
- berchman
Facebook obviously liked FriendFeed a long time ago. Why would they have copied so many features (feed item comments and the "Like" action, to name a couple) otherwise? It was only logical for this to happen eventually. Doesn't mean I like it, but acquisition is part of the game. I have the same feeling I did when SocialThing! was acquired by AOL, though.
- Voyagerfan5761
"Relationship Status: It's complicated" comes to mind. ;)
- Tyson Key
Wow, I finally sign up, and read this. This could end up being a very bad thing for FF fans: "Your FriendFeed friend just signed up on this poll, would you like to too?"
- Brian Bommarito
Congrats guys. And thanks for your continuos effort in helping promote and integrate web services, like mine, Wakoopa. That's awesome and I hope FB gets better because of it.
- Robert Gaal
This will give FriedFeed the attention it deserves. Otherwise it would have been a geek thing forever.
- Michael Netsch
Will there be a super poke feature launched tomorrow?
- Matthew DeVries
aw, this sux!! Congrats to the Friendfeed team though!
- acedanger
Does this mean that we'll be seeing an influx of webcam spammers, a la Twitter? Along with abolishment of the rooms feature, crappification of the search feature, and more "privacy features" that really just put more nails in the openness coffin?
- Tyson Key
Some people will do whatever their friends request........
- Michael Muller
I really don't see why people would be anything but excited about this Facebook freindfeed deal. Great news as far as I am concerned. The Friend feed team is going to go over facebook and make it that much easier to connect, share... isn't that what the social web is about?
- Kevin Murray
I know a lot of people who use Facebook and enjoy it and that's fair enough. It's just not my cup of tea. The chaps from Friendfeed will get rich and the technology will get absorbed in Facebook but I can't see Friendfeed continuing in anything like it's present form.
- Paul Nash
Don't be so negative, something good might eventually come of this...
- Tarmo Aidantausta
Congrats! I know you all must be crazy excited right now.
- Michele Lorito-Chase
chance for FriendFeed to become more mainstream... congrats FriendFeed team!
- Jeroen De Miranda
Nothing could make me happier than if they integrated the good tools from FriendFeed into Facebook, which is where all my friends are. So a big "yay!" from me.
- Ian Betteridge
happy for you guys, but not for all of us
- Flavio
congratulations. this is going to be interesting.
- Dave Beckett
I think I preferred the non-mainstream version of FriendFeed...
- Tyson Key
I'm turning on my black shirt, my black trouser, my black socks, my black shoes. Although I probably must be happy for you.
- Ton Zijp
NASTY NASTY BAD BAD. But we'll see...
- Daniel Morgan
Given that the FriendFeed team has never been anything but awesome & respectful of its community, I think it's unfair for people to assume that the Facebook acquisition is going to change that.
- Jess Lee
Why in god's name are we flying over this shark?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
- Matthew DeVries
Facebook is like a giant who listens to nobody. Please keep your attitude but I don't think you will be able to do so.
- Burak "cyrus" Bayburtlu
I don't know, Like it? or dislike it?
- Ömer Balamir
What happens to all the content that we've created and imported here, and the associated metadata? Will all that disappear into the ether?
- Tyson Key
If the FriendFeed guys can make FaceBook useful and responsive again, this seems like a pretty positive step!
- Robin Barooah
Robin, the Facebook users don't want that I'm afraid.
- Rutger Blom
I have big loss of data concerns. See http://ff.im/6pHjo Is there any way to archive all my FriendFeed posts, likes, comments, and pictures (friendfeed-media.com) off-line? Can some Archive.org-like snapshots of FriendFeed be made (Once a month starting Sept 2009)? I'd like to see the cross-links between my posts & other people's posts, even in 2020. -
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell: the FriendFeed site is not shutting down. Your data will not go away any time in the near term future - we are committed to our users.
- Bret Taylor
I just overheard a coworker mention FriendFeed. This is how the world ends...
- CannonGod
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- Alper Ömer Esin
Then provide us with a way to easily make a back-up of all of our posts and all of the posts we have Liked and Commented on.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Same question as Mitchel Tsai. How do I export my data? I don't want it to be handed off to Facebook.
- Zio Bonino
I don't see good things coming from this. Although I like Facebook, I liked Friendfeed more. Partly because of the environment and the smallness of it. That is now going to be ruined. So, 10-1 odds that Friendfeed will be no more within a year after it gets intergrated into Facebook?
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I doubt it Robin. Bret can only give us assurances about the "near future." Here's what I think will happen. Just like Twitter acquired Rael Dornfest and his awesome web services, Stikkit and I Want Sandy vanished (and so did he), Facebook will acquire all the talent from Friendfeed, shut this service down and Facebook will continue to suck.
- Jim in Real Time
Same question as Mitchel Tsai. How do I export my data? I don't want anything to be handed off to Facebook. And I don't want to lose anything.
- Zio Bonino
Congrats obviously, but im not sure about the feeling,, different user groups which can not integrate but collide.. hope there wont be an huge integration in the future.
- Yunus Tunak
I'm happy for FriendFeed! But, at the same time a bit worried about the future. Hope you guys convince FB to not be evil too.
- Vishal Verma
I can't believe it! damn! facebook tos will apply to friendfeed too? should i start to move to another service? why anyone would think that facebook public is friendfeed public?! damn! friedfeed was my favorite! I can't understand this move! they want to kill friendfeed or what?
- paula simoes ☃
"I bet I can find 1.000.0000 people who dislike this deal."...Welcome to FriendBook.
- Jacque
Well, huge congraulations to you and your team, you deserve every success. To be honest I had presumed this would happen sooner or later - the only business model cool little startups have is to hope they get bought by someone bigger for their brains and technology. I'm going to be in San Francisco in a couple of weeks and was going to stop by your office to bring you a cake and thank you for a great product - maybe I still will if you're still there and there's still a FriendFeed!
- Alex Lomas
The FF founders must have know this would be a very unpopular move. Most users I know here are not too fond of FB.
- Rutger Blom
"Your data will not go away any time in the near term future - we are committed to our users" There's a bit of a contradiction in your statement, Bret. Nice try though.
- jcunwired
Now I can break my Internet plan at home.
- DarkBls
Grats Bret and the rest of FF. To all the naysayers... Lets see what happens before we start bitching....
- Rasmus Lauridsen
This ties in nicely with the fact that you soon will have the opportunity to make your Facebook profiles public and get followers there.
- Michael Netsch
I don't mean to be negative but there's got to be a win-win logic to each merger&acquisiton. Audience high in only quantity is clearly not a win for friendfeed in the long term by considering its unique selling points. Let's wait and see who will benefit from friendfeed's death now.
- ayca
It's all about the money. I would have payed a couple of dollars each month to use FF.
- Rutger Blom
Seriously, what is this? It's like Bret just announced that he's killed all your mothers or something. It could turn out good, it could turn out bad, but at the end of the day, who cares, it's just a website (I mean honestly, come on). I could see it going either way, but in the near term, this is a pretty big win for the FF team, so congrats guys.
- Chieze Okoye
To be honest, my heart sank a little but I am happy to congratulate you and the team for building such a good brand. Well done.
- Kevin J Hatton
I'm just surprised, that's all. I'm not saying this is a bad thing (it certainly isn't for the owners of FF). I'm willing to sit back and see what happens.
- Jason, Craving
Wow, I specifically use friendfeed b/c it is not facebook. Sounds great for the friendfeed team, but not necessarily for friendfeed users.
- Evan Parker
Born to be sold, like in the old "new economy" era. Remember the late nineties?
- Federico Bolsoman
Sudden desire to check out Strands again... but hey, kudos on the incoming $$ for FF team
- Leslie Poston
This is wisdom. Bracing for Google Wave is a good idea.............
- Kevin J Hatton
this is clearly a talent aquisition... why am i not excited about this? could it be because facebook has been blatantly stealing features from friendfeed shamelessly. Likes were clearly not an original facebook idea...realtime feeds is another i could go on...
- Tate DA FF MVP
While I'm sad, because I suspect this means the best things about FF will disappear or I'll be forced to use FB in some way, if the buyout was for some awesome amount of money, I can't say I blame 'em for taking an offer -- I would.
- Andy Bakun
I came to FriendFeed because I don't like facebook. Now the question is, will facebook become more like friend feed? or will they just take friend feed and turn it into facebook?
- Tom Ray
FF could be a good R&D arm for facebook.
- Andy Bakun
My biggest concern here is that FB has a completely different audience than FF.
- Rutger Blom
Fucking morons. FriendFeed is doomed now. Think logically. Facebook has NO REASON to keep FriendFeed alive. It will simply take FF's best features, suck the life of out of it, then trash FF. Way to go, FirnedFeed, damn.
- Jeremy Buff
This announcement should have been held off until the plans for Friendfeed were known. Regardless, this is *bad* for FF users. Best case: it continues on, but with stagnated feature development. Worst case: it's gone.
- tollie williams
I don't want my FF feed on Facebook :( I use both, but maintain both profiles separate
- Leandro Ardissone ⍨
Sigh... Happy for the team if this is what they want, but baffled by the move. The users that are going to leave because of this will make FF a graveyard and the users it gains, well... Hello spam? Sorry, but I don't like it.
- Vince DeGeorge
from iPhone
Well, I guess it is time to dismantle my friendfeed. We all know where this is headed. So, so glad I didn't move all my rss feeds from greader to friendfeed like so many cheerleaders suggested.
- Matthew Speicher
Dang, and just as I was starting to get used to how FF works. FF is useful on it's own. I hope this only improves FF's system, rather than having it disappear into Facebook's wake.
- Don Faulkner
My big question to everybody here is this: What are the potential downsides / upsides to this acquisition? I mean on paper I just don't see what the pros OR cons are. I don't care for Facebook but I don't see how them acquiring FF is going to change everything.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
furthermore they are 2 different things: I follow a lot of people here that are not in my facebook list, which is for IRL friends!
- Flavio
I don't know where to go next either. I had just settled down to make imaginary friends for all my non-FF tweeps, etc. now, I'm not sure if I should bother.
- Don Faulkner
from IM
I hope friendfeed continues to operate normally but it does not look good.
- ashish
integrate best features of ff to fb, then try to innovate in fb if possible, then kill ff... that's it, cheers, all the best. grrrr...
- Kemal
niczak has good points. FF & FB aren't exactly competitors, but they aren't orthogonal either. Let's hope FB's smart enough to see the difference and improve both platforms.
- Don Faulkner
from IM
Nicholas: The upside for Facebook is they just bought an engineering team that's built many of the feature's Facebook's going to need to stay competitive. The upside for FriendFeed's engineering team is $$$ and the ability to build system for a wider audience. FriendFeed's user base is small enough that it'll either get absorbed into Facebook or move on, and FF will become a footnote on the Internet timeline.
- Ken Sheppardson
Don, I don't think FB wants to maintain two platforms.
- Rutger Blom
first tr.im (heard about it yesterday), now this. I wasn't a heavy tr.im user (yet), but sad to see it go, even if I think url shortening is silly.
- Don Faulkner
from IM
As FB said they're interested in the people and not in the site, what if the community will keep running FF without its current staff?
- Flavio
I'll have to go with Flavio's position too. Given this news (plus tr.im and who knows who's next), I'd tend to favor community supported or federated services for things like this in the future.
- Don Faulkner
from IM
I am purposely not on facebook because I don't really want to talk to people I have not talked to in 20 years.
- Andy Bakun
Once again. I'm happy for the FF team. They worked hard and now collect. That's fair. Wonder if they're sitting in a bubble pool drinking champagne while we cry out here ;-)
- Rutger Blom
trouble is (from my perspective), that the philosophies of the two platforms are at odds. FB wants to bring people to the site and keep them there, while FF is a hub, bringing people in and then sending them back out. (That's part of why it's hard for the newcomer to understand, IMHO.)
- Don Faulkner
from IM
Quote «Taylor and Cox say that the Friendfeed product will live on independently, and eventually Friendfeed will be merged into Facebook. But the Friendfeed team is not being kept whole. Some employees will now report to Cox, others to engineering head Mike Schroepfer. In my opinion that means, long term, the Friendfeed product itself is unlikely to be a big priority.¶ But Facebook is...
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- Philipp Lenssen
+1 Kol for the techcrunch article!
- Don Faulkner
from IM
techcrunch: "Cox agreed, noting that Facebook is focused on being a platform and a service, and not just a destination site." I certainly hope so!
- Don Faulkner
from IM
Brilliant move by both Facebook and friendfeed. Congratulations!!! I have theories of what they have planned, but I doubt you would verify any of them. This is going to go so well with their SocialTV which they have been developing. I'm so happy for you!
- Michael Fidler
I don't see what's so bad about it since no one knows right now what the outcome will be, everyone is just making assumptions that could possibly be wrong..... Might help just sitting back and seeing what happens first before complaining.
- ChaCha Fance
Nooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrghh! I´ve resisted getting a facebook acct for so long...
- Thomas Bøhm
ChaCha, if everybody would do that there would not be much discussion would there? This is part of the fun.
- Rutger Blom
I wonder how the discussion over on facebook would compare to this?
- Don Faulkner
from IM
Don, I doubt there is any discussion going on there. They're too busy throwing quizes at each other.
- Rutger Blom
Congrats, FF! I'm approaching the situation with cautious optimism. A lot of my friends only share stuff via the Facebook wall/feed, so if Facebook is able to make their feed more like the FF feed (i.e. good, instead of sucktacular) through this acquisition, it's mostly a win for me in the end.
- Brian Chang
At least my Feedburner stats might go back to normal again.
- Rutger Blom
/me pokes Rutger. (just getting in practice. ;)
- Don Faulkner
from IM
Where will we go for the FFunderCats, bacon memes, and angry artists fighting over photo reshares now? ;)
- Tyson Key
If anybody has doubts as to what happens to the FriendFeed community or our stored information here, read this statement from Bret (in this thread) "Your data will not go away any time in the near term future - we are committed to our users". Now maybe you can see "whats so bad about it" and curb your optimism. Not good.
- jcunwired
Congrats FF. Fix their live feed situation please.
- Edward Barnieh
@josh: do you think FB will throw away all the crap people use? various quiz, pick 5 and so on?
- Flavio
@jc: our data will not go away in the near future. what will be in few months? in a year?
- Flavio
Let's see if you can do a bit better than just not being evil this time around.
- Tim Tyler
Wooohooo!!, seems like we are being sent back to "good" old Facebook. Congrats Bret!!
- Danli
Looks like I'm going to repeat the same thing many others did. My first reaction was "Oh my..." I have refused to join Facebook due to its philosophy while I have been with FriendFeed from the beginning for its. I'm sad and somewhat apprehensive.
- Sean Leather
Congrats. I suppose this means the end of FriendFeed but hopefully a better Facebook.
- Harry Toon
Please say that facebook.com will be shutting down, and the combined company will still be called FriendFeed... I bet it won't happen, though.
- Tyson Key
"Regarding FB/FF - Here's how it's [probably] going to work. You will most likely have an account merge, all of the services FriendFeed supports will now be aggregated on Facebook, and all of your FriendFeed friends will be in a "list" on Facebook. The FF Groups will become Facebook Groups. The FF lists will become Facebook Lists." http://ff.im/6pNxq
- Ozgur Uckan
Nothing like an early retirement payout :)
- Owen Greaves
Congratulations Bret. For me this merger makes a lot of sense. Facebook will provide the "quantity" of users, which friendfeed deserves :).
- Karthick R
FriendFeed + Facebook... Oh noes FriendFace is coming (http://www.youtube.com/watch...)! Now sorry for that link, and seriously, thanks for your work, guys. Please don't let the spirit of FriendFeed to be blown away =)
- Anton
hey, that is great guys! interested to see how you integrate.
- Brian Walsh
Mind blown. Never expected this. I'm also disappointed, yet optimistic at the same time.
- Angus Burton
Kinda curious to see how this will all pan out...although i wouldnt want the friendfeed stuff just integrated into facebook. I feel like im among a group of people who i genuinely share interests with here...dont want to lost that.
- Cassidy
Best case: Facebook will continue to support and develop FriendFeed. Worst case: this is great news for Amplifeeder.
- David Gaw
FAIL. Facebook is the new myspace, and now friendfeed will become a part of that BS. Can't say I'm too surprised because eventually we all sell out. BTW I don't see friendfeed lasting more than the rest of this year, if that. The good news is that we can all be subjected to add 'Are you related to a monkey?' and Blackjack apps while having annoying personal ads on our profile pages. Fuck this shit.
- Tomy Thomson
Well done, well deserved, I hope FB's means and infrastructures empower your guys to even better things. But if quizzes appear in "my" friendfeed, evil things will haunt you and your descendents for 3 generations.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
♪ ♪ This is the end.... beautiful friends ♪ ♪
- All for design
Well, I don't see the point of sticking around here if I have accounts in both and this is going to get swallowed whole into Facebook anyways. Put simply, goodbye.
- Micah Collard
The social community that has been behind FriendFeed creators have built a wonderful product. Only problem is, we don't have Zuck's checkbook :(
- jcunwired
friendfeed is a beautiful product, only god knows what facebrook will do to it. Hopefully the ability to upload files (such as mp3s) will not be removed. Zuck is a tool.
- Nibi
Congratulations. I'm sorry to say that I don't plan to move with you.
- Lars Juhl Jensen
Facebook is lucky to have such a talented group of people ... Congratulations FriendFeed!
- Rob Kurrus
doesn't look like a bad joke, better be for the good then, but... Well congrats anyway guys, you did something AWESOME now let's see where Mark takes it
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
That's too bad. Liked the openness if FriendFeed, and the lack crap that is on Facebook. Once FriendFeed dies, it will be Twitter only.
- Mike D.
Congrats, but concerned that FriendFeed and its tools may disappear. Merging the tools with Facebook seems impossible.
- Mike Reynolds
So, what does the acquisition of FriendFeed by Facebook mean to us, users of both websites: Can I make a friend request from FriendFeed, and be approved for both, on one click
- Reyna Carlos
Exciting news guys. I am actually looking forward to your collaboration with / work for FB. No matter what people may or may not like about FB, it does succeed in reaching a more "diverse" audience compared to most other Web 2.0/social web companies. Paired with your team's excellence in realizing features that succeed in pleasing the geekiest of Web 2.0 affine individuals, I think you are steering towards exciting waters :)
- Mustafa K. Isik
*heart sinks* actually a bit of shock - I think that Facebook will leave Friendfeed as-is but I don't think there is hope for future innovation in Friendfeed since their best superstar team members will be pulled onto 'more important' Facebook issues...
- Pon
And the metastasizing, walled-garden that is Facebook, continues to eat the Web. Bring on Google Wave.
- Christopher A Carr
:-) + :-( very happy for the team, huge achievement, hoping to see export of innovation but not a shut down of this unique community and location
- Majento
There goes FriendFeed down the toilet. well I WAS having a good day. until hearing this crap!
- Scratch5150
Congratulations, and best wishes for your future together! :-)
- Ruchira S. Datta
Wow, I was beginning to use Friendfeed as my defacto social site...Facebook is more for real life friends. They'll just take what makes Friendfeed great, add it to Facebook and slowly kill this site.
- Manuel Mas
What is the big deal? I think it'll make FF bigger and better. You should be happy about that!
- orionstarr
I am disappointed. I don't want to have to go to Facebook to do what i do here. I can not imagine they will port over all the features we enjoy here. We lose a lot for only a slight benefit to Facebook.
- Robert
It could be worse, myspace could've bought them lol...
- orionstarr
Awful news for users but congratulations to you guys. Ideally, FB will run FF as a distinct service but I'm not hopeful. I don't want the diversity and noise that facebook brings - people doing quizzes on which movie star they resemble and playing silly games. I also wanted to keep my day to day social activity distinct from the targeted information and discussion I use FF for.
- Rajit
Only just started taking a serious look at FF after hearing acquisition by FB. Sounds like I'm laggard rather than a leader in use of web 2.0
- ManojRanaweera
I think how Pon said it is what I'm feeling: *heart sinks*.
- Andy Bakun
Congratulations, i am really happy for you guys!! :)
- Mona Nomura
I'm not a Facebook fan, but can't begrudge the FF gang their chance to reap the rewards for all their hard work. However, it would be a shame if FB ruins the good thing we all have going here.
- Ken Morley
So what now? a name change too? FriendFace? FeedBook? FaceFeed? god Facebook really sucks. oh well. Adds anyone?
- Scratch5150
Congrats to the FF team... I hope the service doesn't disappear into a fold of light and heat.
- Brandon
if all the things that make FF great are brought to FB then I'll be happy to use it
- Mike Chelen
The community won't be there. Been on FB longer than any other, don't have nearly the relationship or sense of community there that I do here or on Twitter.
- Karoli
Karoli: that is due to the effectiveness of the FF platform and interface, which help to join conversations and find interesting people more so than FB does
- Mike Chelen
Mike: I suspect that FB wants FF for the search possibilities, not the community-building aspects. But we'll see.
- Karoli
i guess congrats are in order, but I'm going to now go and remove everything I have that feeds into FF, and I have to ask -- do I have any rights over my archive? I have a private feed, and I have no interest in offering up my lifestream to the FaceBook data-miners. I hope the FF folks get what they hope for out of the deal, but my FriendFeed experience has been effectively killed.
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I just learned about the FF acquisition by Facebook - WOW~! Congratulations Bret, Paul and FF team!! holy cow ........Mooooooooo! Where's the FF Acquisition Party? :)
- Susan Beebe
RT @alirizaesin FriendFeed, R.I.P. Home tweet home!..
- Ozgur Uckan
Congrats to facebook. Now, Twitter is the best.
- Ebru Baranseli
Congratulations to the FriendFeed guys on the Facebook Acquisition. Not a big fan of Facebook, so I hope my favorite Uber Aggregator, Realtime Social, Microblogging site of awesomeness is not entirely absorbed into the Facebook infrastructure. I wait with baited breath to hear what "normally for the time being" means ;).
- Tom Horn
Can I now have comments propagate in both directions as far as Facebook/Friendfeed is concerned?
- Piaw Na
*checks date*. Damn .. not April 1st, must be for real. While I'm happy for the FF team, since I guess this is what they wanted (congrats guys!), I can't help but think this is the beginning of the end for a great service and a vibrant community. There are reasons I don't spend any time on Facebook and do spend lots of time on FF, and some kind of "FF integrated into Facebook" just won't cut it. I hope this service will live on for at least a few more years.
- Andrew Perry
Gratz to the FF team but as a user I'm not completely happy. In short, I like the FF team/product much more than I like the FB team/product. Best of luck to all.
- timepilot
Dang! I've killed another site! Sorry guys... FF was doing fine until I started coming here again! Same with Pownce! Went there and liked it... went underground for a spell... came back and still liked it, so I stayed. A few months later... BOOM! I have the touch! (I'm thinking I'll start devoting a lot of time to Twitter... maybe I can kill that one, too!)
- Mark "Mr Bolivious" J
Bret, congrats on the acquisition. You guys put in a lot of hard work to create this community. I just hope you learned the mistakes Pownce made, Jaiku etc, and ensured that you didn't sell out your community, but that you helped it evolve into something as great as this into something better. Good luck in future endeavors!
- Mike Lewis
Oh yeah? Ok: take tour money and go to the hell. :-(((
- Claude LaFrenière
Yay for you guys, I mean that seriously, I 'like' what this means for you personally, but -1000000 cool points for doing it with FB. Sad day.
- Threepwood
Karoli: FF search is so useful because it is integrated with all the other great features that help to find relevant content. if FB wants to have a similar capability, they must also develop the underlying architecture.
- Mike Chelen
from IM
shakeel, the reasons for friendfeed to join facebook are probably about other things besides money, since many of the FF staff left high-paying jobs to join in the first place
- Mike Chelen
from IM
Well I've thought about it, and I'll stick around until I start seeing that crappy Facebook logo, I only have 71 subscribers here, I hate to do it but I'll probably scrap the whole thing and start over somewhere else. still can't believe that shit.
- Scratch5150
Congrats, team! It's bittersweet, though.
- Anne Bouey
So now we will have FriendFeed blocked at work too. Darn.
- Mark Scrimshire
"Your data will not go away any time in the near term future" is not exactly inspiring for the long term for those of us who came here to escape Facebook for a) it's walled garden and b) privacy concerns. Nice for the Founders to make a pile of cash but for the many of us, it feels like we got sold down the river. Sad.
- Sally Church
cacarr: updates for FB have progressed rapidly in the past, count how many months since new features such as api calls and site redesigns have have been implemented
- Mike Chelen
from IM
I can't believe it either. I feel as if — for the moment — I am lost in the wilderness, adrift.
- roamin
Congratulation to the FF team! You guys deserves this. I just hope that Facebook does not change the directions of FF.
- Vinko
Congrats Bret! Hope the transition goes smoothly for you guys.
- Cristo
I hope this means better integration: liking here will auto-like on fb and such :D if that's the case, I won't mind the ads *wink* *wink*
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
Franc, cant stand facebook ads in their current format, hope they will be fixed eventually :P
- Mike Chelen
from IM
Grats, dont spend it all in one place.....
- Robert Higgins
congrads. I think it will be good for BOTH companies.
- Logan Lindquist
Now that you guys have $$$ you should swap out the not so very pleasing default avatar!
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
Hope you guys enjoy your new jobs. Meanwhile we get to watch a great alternative to Facebook with a promising future go down the tubes. A really sad and unfortunate day.
- Todd Holmes
Congratulations to all the FriendFeed team. I hope you'll be able to keep the FriendFeed spirit up at Facebook. Kudos for all the great work you've been doing.
- Paul Papadimitriou
I use FriendFeed and Facebook so it would be awesome to see FF features in Facebook. Congratulations!
- krzychukula
from IM
judging by the nearly 600 comments as i type this, including my own earlier one, FF could use a Don't Like button as well. or would, if we were going to be using it much longer.
- kelly
Nice, i like to wish you all the best for your new job (and it's really hard, i know). I'm happy, but... don't let die FF!!
- Seo (ignobile) Guru
Hope FriendFeed remains open. Love the spirit of FF
- Bernaldo Barrena
Seriously, what a coincidence! Just on Saturday I claimed to be both twitter- and facebook-free. I loved FF product and personally helped to bring at least a dozen of my friends into the community. I'll stick around for a while though.
- ǝuǝƃnǝ
This deal makes sense, now fb developers do not need to figure out how ff does it because they can just ask! Congrats facebook and ff!
- Garin Kilpatrick
I suppose Facebook had to do it, with Twitter and Google Wave as competitor...
- Alexander Kruel
I am noticing a lot of people going to re-esumate their lifestream.fm account now!
- Flavio
I don't think FB acquiring FF is bad. But I don't think it's good either. We'll see. :-) In the meantime, keep up the good work!
- Alexander Gieg
Oh shit. Love FF, hate FB. I'll NEVER, EVER merge my two accounts. I'd rather unsub from both than merging. I'll wait for the developments, and in the meantime look for an alternative.
- Alliandre (la Ippe)
How long until ex-FriendFeed employees start jumping ship from Facebook? I wonder...
- Tyson Key
Thomas Power still believes that Facebook/FF/Linkedin (2010) will be acquired by Apple (2011) and this is a transitional acquisition in the SN market cycle. The world is shifting to Mac, iTunes, iPhones and FB own the next generation. Apple have $29bn of cash on deposit price is not an issue. Google must jump for twitter while MS fiddle in the sticks with Yahoo. BillG will be back at the MS helm 2012.
- Penny Power
:( Happy for FF people, sad for the service. Was going to move from fb to ff this week..
- Martynas
Flavio: never heard of lifestream.fm before, but I'm going to go check it out. I'll reiterate, though, that I'm now shy of any service like this, since it can disappear just as it's getting good. I heard about sweetcron.com last night (via http://ff.im/6pR2w). Maybe it's time to move from centralized to distributed again.
- Don Faulkner
Just finished setting up my lifestream.fm at http://lifestream.fm/dfaulkner. Lifestream does what it says, and no more. FF's search blows lifestream away. FF is more flexible about adding source feeds, but lifestream does fine without the flexibility I suppose. FF still wins, or would, if I thought it would be sticking around. :P
- Don Faulkner
I also hate facebook, not because of their silly quizzes and pokes, but because I suspect they would like to maintain massive user base as the determining factor in choosing a social network. I would love to switch to orkut as I use so many other google services, but I can't because nobody else does. That should not be my criteria.... I thought friendfeed would try to make social networks work together.
- Ru Viljoen
I don't understand why everyone is so negative about the situation?
- orionstarr
@orionstarr - it's like Starbucks buying your neighborhood coffee shop and saying it still cares about the customers. You know it's just not going to be the same as what you've come to love.
- Robin Barooah
Presumably FF will go on the back burner - and the team will try and "fix" Facebook.
- Tim Tyler
I've watched Facebook morph from a relatively organised and well implemented social networking tool into the hulking mess it is now - and I really, really hope that a similar thing doesn't happen here with the inevitable changes this will bring about.
- Leslie Moore
Come on guys, out with the long-term game plan, this is tedious.
- Andrew Eglinton
NOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, I mean Cool.
- sofarsoShawn
Teach Facebook how to be FriendFeed. Let the small but fast teach the big but slow. Don't forget what Paul says - don’t be evil.
- whatidiscover
This won't make me use Facebook more. It'll just make me look for a FriendFeed alternative.
- Richard Akerman
FF will be integrated into FB in the long term.
- Kol Tregaskes
I don't use facebook for several reasons, chiefly closed-data silo and too much noise - so probably will not follow anyone on facebook like I did on friendfeed.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Again, I think people are being a bit fatalistic about the FB acquisition. It's the first frigging day and people are already jumping ship? Relax people. Let's see what happens.
- Jason, Craving
@Jason I think it's fair to say that friendfeed's days are numbered, seeing as how the entire friendfeed team will soon be working on FB full-time.
- Tomy Thomson
That's what they want you to do...don't do it!
- beersage
I'm personally starting a search for something else instead, because Facebook cannot possibly hope to be as useful as FriendFeed is.
- Otto
I'll have to reopen my Facebook account first :(
- Burçak Çubukçu
The FF team is splitting - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... This is the beginning of the end of FriendFeed (as we know it) It's only a matter of time.
- Bwana ☠
I have reopened my account this evening. Sucks though, I closed it because I didn't need it due to FF!
- Travis Koger
No change for me. Friendfeed is still my de-facto SocNet aggregrator.
- Rudy Amid
Bas: because when I interviewed FriendFeed and Facebook today they didn't have a good roadmap of where they were going. So everything we do is guesses from now on.
- Robert Scoble
Already have been. http://www.facebook.com/melanie... I also do all our NP's social media there for the past year. It's great for business orientation . I was using both services equally but for different things. I liked the geek community here. I think that will be gone and I will miss it.
- Melanie Reed
I am so strongly prejudiced against facebook. They are all cool with information going in but not out. Hate how they cornered the mass market. How is a competitor ever going to exist unless they make their data portable? In the mean time, I will resentfully continue to find it unbelievably useful...
- Ru Viljoen
I think Facebook should work on image/page loading before trying to acquire companies. Sad day.
- Johnny
Correct Robert they don't have a good road map and they are still tracking dog pooh all over the net with the spam issue. They are failing to take responsibility for that smut and clean it up and put in some very strong defensive measures to counteract this crap from running into any new promising services and networks. Unbelievable
- Jeunelle Foster
I only use Facebook because so many old friends from real life are there: high school, college, former jobs. But it's all noise, little signal, and they have such a blatant disregard for their users that it's not a network I care to invest in. That they acquired Friendfeed just means I'll be using it less. I pretty much use FF to stay tuned into what social media folks are talking about...
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- Criz
Nope. Not going to do it. Wish you the best though. I'm heading to Google Reader and back to IRC and old forums that I used to hang out at. Subscribe to my google reader feed if you wish.
- CW™
I am probably going to use this a lot more, maybe regain my status in the top 10 posters on the site. http://www.donationcoder.com/Forums... I'll never be top poster there, not possible, but #2 is doable with a lot of hard work.
- April Russo (app103)
I use FB for a completely different circle of people. I continue to be disappointed by the desire by SNS to smush every time of relationship into one or two buckets (mostly one..."friend"). There is very little overlap between my FB "friends" and my FF ones, and I won't change that. If there's an attempt to force a convergence by the FF/FB team, I'll just shut this down.
- Ken Kennedy
@april russo - would Profilactic still having a link to Summize on their front page be a good indication that they might be dragging their feet a little
- Andy Beard
Friendfeed is no longer .. all that's left is the flick of the switch.
- John Blanton
It's nice for the FF peeps. They'll see what it's like to deliver new features for a decent size user base.
- mrshl
Mike: I wouldn't worry about FriendFeed. I see it as Facebook's R&D department now. We're the test bunnies for what 300 million people will get! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Now Friendfeed will be able to go head to head with Google wave! So long as the team are allowed to lead from within Facebook how can this possibly be bad?
- Ade Lack
Nice comments. Also looking forward to realtime search and 300M+ users ... watch that in realtime! My screen will melt I guess.
- Peter van Teeseling
I'm only really sad because it completely breaks my on-line life. I'm excited for the FF team and for FB but that's only one aspect and I don't see how it can be merged.
- James Myatt
Mark: can you verify that this is a real account somehow? Tell us something about what we did in Davos together that I didn't share.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, the user name for Zuck misspells his name, just like he misspelled yours.
- Louis Gray
Mark, if that is really you. Please don't let people on FB find users on FF. Some of us are looking for the anti-social web. Private groups and no friend requests from long lost classmates was a big plus over here.
- Chip Ramsey
Robert: from what I can tell most FF users do not share your enthusiasm or optimism. From what I can see FriendFeed team members will be absorbed into Facebook R&D, FriendFeed as a property will whither and most will cash out as soon as they can. Do you have some other information that you can share that supports your optimism?
- Brian Sullivan
Robert: Do you have *any* reason at all to believe that friendfeed will survive as a distinct entity?
- Christopher A Carr
How does everyone know what's going to happen? I prefer Rob's tone of "what should happen" - fear vs possibility
- Ankush Narula
from iPhone
Really interesting perspective you provide here. I was thinking this whole time that this would hit Twitter hard, but I see now that Google might be the real target, because of the whole real-time search. Nonetheless, I love all the Google employees that are hoping facebook becomes more "open" in the process. Something tells me facebook doesn't care about being open, but being a...
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- Rahul Krishnakumar
Rahul: That's not encouraging. I don't see how you get that from that article.
- Christopher A Carr
Wait I owe Scoble an apology. I read several places that he had a financial interest in Friend Feed. That information , if true,clouded my perception of his commentary of FF. If you believed that true, he comes across as a shill trying to protect his investment IMHO. In his blog post he denounces any financial connection. Now I feel stupid because good practices dictate that he would have disclosed such in his writings. I suck sorry Robert.
- cheapsuits
from iPhone
Hmmm - I keep my FB social, private, and mainly family. I keep FF public and work-oriented only. Will I need two accounts? Or just delicate messing about with privacy controls? I'm not looking forward to shifting - may FF last a long while still. FB is too busy, and FF is lightweight and gives me exactly what I want, with a much cleaner interface. Thanks very much Robert, your blog post is much appreciated!
- Allyson Lister
cheapsuits: Robert has said 1,000 + times that he has no financial interest in ff.
- Christopher A Carr
Robert, how can you say you don't get how FF users are sad and up in arms? FB's attitudes and culture are different enough for this to be a serious shock. In short, lots of people think FF=good, FB=bad, for better or worse. Your own list of cons is enough to get FF users up in arms.
- Don Faulkner
Christopher I see it now. Easy to see what he said when it isn't filtered by FF haters. What more can I say then I suck? I surely am not going to kill myself over it.
- cheapsuits
from iPhone
Thrilled for Paul, but amused that FB's first big land grab is another biz that isn't monetized properly either! Arrogance or Ignorance?
- Jan Simmonds
Jan, FF has some great technology and some great people. It's not about the service itself.
- James Myatt
Here's why people are up in arms: I think it's in the company's best interests to keep the properties existing separately ... especially since like you said, it's a geekier community on FF. Why not integrate the cool *features* FF has within Facebook but keep friendfeed.com as-is?
- Tamar Weinberg
I agree this is more of a play against Google. I think eventually Twitter and Facebook will team up more to provide real time streams of user updates between the two systems. I wonder if the first step is using FF for the collection of these streams and the next step is acquiring the method of pushing these streams or content.
- CodeSamurai
I like the separate sites and maybe they will allow both options, Facebook is too busy for me and Friend Feed cuts to the chase and I hope we don't see "FaceFeed" with everything combined without options.
- MedicalQuack
They got some talented people at FriendFeed.
- Kenneth Yeh
And as pointed out by Mashable - the trending topics on twitter were "Tweet Created" and "Twitter Zombies"
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
they are just shutdown their system to make us talk about them.
- abdellah
DoS attacks can be traced, but are rarely used, Distributed DoS attacks originate from so many different points there is no point in tracing the sources
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Well, you want to see how good your DOS defenses are? Put up a website saying "Our systems are able to withstand a DOS attack so do your best" and see what happens. :)
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Entities having large zombie nets are difficult to defeat in a DDoS attack. Unless you're the ISP, they have more than you do.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Google is probably very DDOS resistant because of how distributed their stuff is, but most places can't duplicate that defense. And it's possible for a zombie net to be able to chew up more bandwidth than an ISP has
- Alex Scoble
from IM
And I guarantee you that friendfeed is just as vulnerable to a DOS attack as Twitter is.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
And you'll notice that I'm not differentiating between DOS and DDOS, because a DDOS is a DOS and is now the most common type of DOS.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Alex - that worries me the most about FF. :)
- phil baumann
Depends on the class of DOS, but bandwidth exhaustion DDOS attacks are certainly one of the hardest to defend one's self from.
- ax0n
I suggest you all take the time to tour the rest of the Internet! Remember there's more than AOL...I mean Twitter out there!
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Yeah, ax0n, that's what I'm saying. :)
- Alex Scoble
from IM
I don't give two poos about Twitter being down - but broadly speaking, can't good IPSes doing packet inspection mitigate this shit (if the attack is not too high-octane in its own available bandwidth, that is.) Although as Wirehead said, you'll be melting CPUs before anything else, I'd think.
- Anthony Citrano
Well, let's just say it's a lot harder for a service provider to make it impossible to do a DDOS than it is for an attacker to make it impossible to use your service. :)
- Alex Scoble
from IM
But yes, the title of this thread should be "For most of the world, there is no defense..." Large organizations like Google can do some things to defend against DOS attacks, like run behind distributed server farms...but 99.9% of the world is not Google.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Then again, this is probably why a lot of people are interested in cloud computing. If distributed systems are the best defense for a DOS, then cloud computing would be a great way to run public web based services.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
If these DDOSes are coming from zombie machines, those machines are probably prone to infection, which means you need your own botnet to attack the zombies and install your own botnet software on them. Whoever makes a botnet that uses DDOSes as a way to find more machines will eventually grow the biggest botnet out there. ;)
- Amit Patel
Heh yeah, and you are starting to see more sophisticated zombie attacks that harden the zombies that they take over to make it harder for other zombie attackers to take over their zombie nets.
- Alex Scoble
just boot your machine in safe mode with networking and run Spybot Search & Destroy, Malwarebytes Anti-Malware, and your anti-virus scans - if it's not cleaned out by that then you might as well re-install windows (which is a good idea from the start since you never really know if you got rid of any rootkits) sometimes it's quicker to reinstall windows than to go through all that
- Chris Heath
Yeah, that doesn't defend you from a DDOS attack though. That just cleans out malware if your PC has become a zombie and is part of a DDOS attack. :)
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Actually there are companies that sell protection against DDoS. It works.
- Leo Laporte
Agree with @Jason here is another link to share for DDoS Attack/Defense Taxonomies http://www.lasr.cs.ucla.edu/ddos.... I think the key to remember is that the DDoS attacks evolve over time. I can see even clouds being vulnerable in that conceivably one can use linked clouds to launch large enough attacks to overwhelm a single vendors ability to scale. Has not happened yet but possible.
- Altan Khendup
There is tremendous vulnerability if they can take Twitter down.
- rob
Twitter just isn't that large, or that distributed. I'm impressed if they can take down Facebook, or Google. (it seems that Facebook was suffering at the same time, and my suspicion is from the same attack - but maybe not)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Does anyone know at this point who is responsible for the attack? This would require a huge bot-net and some serious bandwidth.
- Angus Burton
Yeah, Alex... I was commenting in reference to the hardening of the zombies
- Chris Heath
There is a defense, employing a network element which can route around obstacles: carrier pigeons. http://crankypm.com/2009...
- DGentry
There's a denial of service attack that can be used against pigeons...requires a shotgun and someone who knows how to use it :)
- Alex Scoble
from IM
DGentry: There's a follow up to that IP over Carrier Pigeon, IP over Tanks. Paint the 0s and 1s on the side of a tank turret, and such. Helps to defeat Alex's DoS attack on the pigeons. At least to DoS it you need a bigger gun ;)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Chris Heath: more simple way of defeating rootkits: Run the machine as a Virtual Machine, and always roll back to a clean snapshot on reboot. I've employed that method for a long time. Defeats rootkits, viruses, stupid users, and all that. Works for any OS you can run in the VM.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Still not 100% effective. There are ways to take control of the host machine that is running a VM.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Nothing is 100% effective, short of sealing the machine 1 mile underground in a concrete-filled missle silo.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
And FWIW: I have not yet heard any significant news of bare-metal hypervisors (which replace the host OS and which I was referring to above) being compromised (but it will come, or is here already and quiet)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Which breaks rule #1 Must meet business needs
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Ahh, sorry, when you say VM I think of the more traditional VMs running on a traditional OS
- Alex Scoble
from IM
LOL. Yes - but it does make the point of what must be done to truly secure a machine. There is no such thing as 100% security with any remaining functionality
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I mostly meant things like VMWare ESXi (which doesn't even use a traditional OS for management purposes any more. (ESX is a bare-metal hyper visor, but uses a RH variant as a management box)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Yeah, that stuff is pretty sweet.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
And ESXi is free I believe. If the virtual hardware would just run a video game, I'd run everything like that ;)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Great point Rob (bringing up virtualization) -- and for anyone interested in this stuff, Hak.5 has done a lot of virtualization in season 5 http://www.hak5.org/categor... They get into ESX and ESXi in the later half of the season but virtualization is often a topic for one of their segments.
- Chris Heath
@Alex Scoble: most DDOS attacks aren't designed to use up your bandwidth - they generally hit others limits a long time before that. The most common type of attack opens up lots and lots of connections to your website at once. That makes your webservers fall over. For added variety some hold the connections open, so they appear just like a slow web browser, making it harder to detect.
- Nick Lothian
Yep, but if an attacker so chooses, they may rent out a botnet from various individuals and jam your internet connections as well.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
And Matthew, that keyboard hack is crazy awesome.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
The biggest mistake that any designer, engineer or programmer can make is to forget about layer zero in the OSI model...the user layer.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Alex - if the virus that's designed to hit the graphics controller doesn't have access to the correct host OS, it's going to write to the VMs graphics controller. Which just won't do much.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Nick: The Blue Pill is an attack on a Windows machine that has virtualization in the processor - it converts the running Windows into a VM and becomes the bare-metal hypervisor on the fly. Using an actual hypervisor defeats that. (though it is a pretty impressive attack)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@guruvan (Rob Nelson): I'm not sure. http://www.zdnetasia.com/news... says "The researchers claimed Xen hypervisors could be subverted by compromising flaws in Xen software to gain access to Domain 0, Xen's privileged administrative domain. Once that administrative domain is compromised, the virtual system controlled by the hypervisor is compromised."
- Nick Lothian
At least now we're getting a better idea of what happened Thursday. Though it's intriguing how it was aimed at just one person who had different services each of which were affected.
- George Hall (Australia)
i'm not following george... did I miss something?
- Chris Heath
Yep, Chris...the fact there's a pro-Georgian blogger who wrote on all the affected services. Seems all his pages were targetted. A bit more of the Russian/Georgian cyberwar. There's at least a few articles/posts about that across the net. Though, I summarized it at http://geehall1.posterous.com
- George Hall (Australia)
Twitter, Facebook, LiveJournal, YouTube, Google attack was not a botnet, just tons of people manually clicking spam ... related to pro-Abkhazia activist blogger Cyxymu. This is the theory of Bill Woodcock, research director of Packet Clearing House, a nonprofit that helps network operators when they come under attack. CNET (4:32 pm PDT) seems to be the main source of this story, which...
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- Mitchell Tsai
erro not so you can block the suspisious ip addresses / country
- Maurice Walshe
You _can_protect your site against DoS attacks. Tier 1 ISPs offer DDoS protection using CiscoGuard appliances (see http://www.cisco.com/en...) + BGP + GRE tunnels. They deflect extortion attempts every week for banks and other sites.
- Paul Lindner
Very interesting stuff, Paul. Thanks for the link. I wonder how long it will be before the bad guys find a way to shut those Cisco boxes down and make them cry to mama. It's like a grand game of cat and mouse.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
eh Paul, some of em systems are also vectors for DNS posioning and route hijacking.. ant that a DoS too ?
- Peter Dawson
Peter: Yes, DNS poisoning can be a DoS attack, as well as route hijacking. Typically those are done to deny users access to a given site or service. Occasionally those are used to hijack a service, which has the effect of DoS, but not the primary intention (the primary intention is often to change the message that web site visitors would see, or perhaps to collect sensitive data such as passwords or financial information )
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@GuruVan, " change the message " is more like "man-in-the-middle", thats a totally different vector !!
- Peter Dawson
Not quite Peter. MiTM is usually executed differently than a straight hijacking. (though the data collection I mentioned is usually a MiTM attack)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I may be simplistic but couldn't these hackers just doing something worthwhile with their talent?
- Kevin J Hatton
They are often affilliated with elements of organized crime in various countries
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Or affiliated with seedy people who don't like ketchup on burgers
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
yeah but remember, in some countries they (hackers) have to protect their young sisters from being sold - so they (hackerS) use their talents to keep the family together. Its an't always what you think it is !
- Peter Dawson
Okay, but are those guys 'hackers' or 'crackers'? AFAIK they're crackers.. no?
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
They are both. :) A cracker is a black hat hacker.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Or h4XX0r$ ;) ( or god forbid, the evil and feared script kiddies )
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
From Idsgn: "Two months from now the International Olympic Committee will name the host city of the 2016 Summer Olympics. If the decision were based solely on design, which candidate would win?"
- Mark Trapp
from Bookmarklet
Chicago's looks like a logo for the *winter* Olympics. Based on these, I like Tokyo and Madrid best. [edit: I really like Tokyo best]
- Kevin Fox
Yeah, it's got too much of a snowflake effect going on. I like Tokyo's the best: modern and clear. Madrid looks too childish, and I don't know what's going on with Rio.
- Mark Trapp
agree with Brett- looks like Madrid is giving the finger. My vote goes to Rio with Tokyo the runner-up. I like that the Brazilians "have heart" and were bold enough to NOT use the primary colors in the logo.
- Karma Martell
I don't understand why ANY city wants the Olympics anymore. It's such a money loser. But I like Praha... I like trees. Can't figure out what the hell is going on in Doha's and Baku and Rio seem to have missed the color memo. So I'll vote for Germany.
- Mark Novak
I like Pragues, but I really want them to be in Baku.
- Will Higgins™
From the Madrid logo's description: "The city’s bid slogan is “Hola everyone."" And all I can see/hear is Dr. Nick Riviera waiving his hand at the camera saying "Hello Everybody!"
- Kevin Fox
I like Madrid's the best, though Tokyo's is nice as well
- Angus Burton
Madrid or maybe Tokyo based on design, but I'd really like to have the Olympics in Chicago 'cause that way increases my chances of going
- Ethan
"Kickstarter is a funding platform for artists, designers, filmmakers, musicians, journalists, inventors, explorers..."
- Angus Burton
from Bookmarklet
"Arctic Monkeys performed some tracks from their new album "Humbug" for their Web Transmission last Thursday. They played some new tracks and a cover of Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds' 'Red RIght Hand', the track will be released as a bonus track on the Japanese release of "Humbug". I had previously posted the cover from when it was performed in New Zealand but this version is of higher quality. The video of the performance was posted by Domino on Youtube, I took the liberty of ripping it for you guys in case you wanted to hear it. You can watch the video of the performance below and download the cover."
- Angus Burton
from Bookmarklet
No need to talk you out of it - if that's what you think is the right thing for you then go for it. It didn't hurt you last time you cleared things out.
- WorldofHiglet
I love it...its like twitter/friendfeed bankruptcy.
- sean andersen
Are you going to stop using @notsecretscoble, then?
- Kathy Fitch
Finally turning down the firehose eh? Even with those big a$$ monitors you've got, keeping up with that amount of noise is maddening at times. Are you going to use Jesse's site (http://socialtoo.com/) to nix all your followers?
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Richard: I just wanted to see if anyone could come up with a good reason not to do that.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Haven't you always maintained that it's WHO YOU FOLLOW, not who follows you that matters? Exactly what you are doing by re-tuning the firehose. Will be curious to see if you get bored with a much slower moving river streaming by.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
What are you going to use to watch the patterns in the noise with? An Anon Account?
- BairdWilliamson
This is gonna create a new era on Twitter, “if Scoble thinks quantity does not matter let's unfollow everyone too” ;)
- Jacque
from fftogo
Brian: yes but I got distracted by the DM feature which only works if I am following you.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Yup. DM on Twitter is useless. DM here on the other hand.... Are you going to do the same thing with the 25k you follow here on FF?
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Baird: I will still be following 25,000 here. There is plenty of noise in my life.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Brian: here on FF we have groups. I already have a few small groups.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Exactly. Groups and lists make it a LOT easier to manage the noise.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
noop. twitter is just a (narrow) pipe. friendfeed where (my) content aggregates.
- jacek
I say do it, and I say that as someone you will no longer be following. Thousands upon thousands of people only provide background noise. By the time something bubbles up enough to be noticeable in the feed of that many people, its on techmeme anyway.
- DGentry
You can unfollow me on Twitter. I don't even feed to it from Friendfeed anymore. :)
- CAJ, somewhere else
Feels sort of sad to be getting unfollowed by one of my favorite peeps! :-( But yeah, totally understand
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Robert: Are you actually going to do it tonight - or is this just a topic for debate?
- Jim Connolly
Do it. Following merely to allow a DM that may very well never come is not worth it.
- Meryn Stol
A man's got to do what a man's got to do. DM Whacker (discovered it today myself), deletes all received and sent DM's..
- Citronella
do it. I unfollowed 500+ and I can actually use Twitter again....
- Johnny
from BuddyFeed
I have dropped about 200 people today. I like your idea and I agree it might be lead to a movement of quality over quantity. I also think it might wake up the Twitter execs to see that groups and better list management are need.
- Ben Hanten
I am curious, though: I remember about a month ago you said that you follow a ton of people and it was invaluable because you could see trends, etc. What has changed?
- Ben Hanten
How does one mass unfollow? - I was trying to find ways to do that and can't find a way to do that easily.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
robert i have some scripts to delete all DMs, but they appear to be broken now. the new way twitter handles pagination (the more button) makes it difficult
- sean percival
Jennifer: There are a few well known tools you can use to mass-unfollow. One that Jesse Stay @socialtoo developed is supposed to be very good.
- Jim Connolly
where is jesse? i see a future for socialtoo here. create an akismet like system as part of the auto follow. as i get new followers, give them a spam score and only follow back those who pass
- sean percival
Liza: I don't know what Blackberry users can do for FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
your autofollow didn't work on me for some reason, so it doesn't matter to me. in fact, yea unfollow everyone =]
- Özgür D. Cyric
I don't even know what twitter is for anymore. I check it sometimes but enjoy reading and sometimes joining the conversation on here much more.
- Aidan Mann
Hey, I don't need Scoble to follow me on Twitter. I've got Kim Kardashian following me on FriendFeed! ;)
- John Craft
I've observed 2 good people go through mass unfollow on Twitter, and they were both happy they did it. Do what works for you, Robert. It's your time. :)
- Veronica Sopher
My only argument is as a news junkie, you'll feel like you're missing something. In reality, you'll eliminate a lot of noise though and miss only "some" things.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I'm changing my Twitter avatar to a screenshot of my DM box in protest of auto-dms. Hoping others will too.
- Jesse Stay
Sean, SocialToo does offer that - it needs to be improved, and will be. I'm just trying to get time to do it (on a very limited budget).
- Jesse Stay
I say go for it. Change is good. Having two accounts would make one schizo. The times they are a changin' Like @loic said it will fill like taking a shower
- Stephen Pickering
Dont do it I only have like 20 followers then. 21 was a good number.
- James Hunter
Either you know how to use the API, or it's going to take you a very long time...
- David Semeria
Knock yourself out. I don't pay much attention to Twitter anyway.
- Jason, Craving
Great idea! But it sounds like a lot of work. Besides, they're your accounts and it's your name/brand that you're experimenting with. Do whatever you want with it. How are you going to get people to watch a live feed you're doing. Are you shooting for a smaller audience too?
- Michael Fidler
Why not? It's your Twitter account Robert and you don't have to follow everyone who follows you. My Twitter experience improved dramatically when I unfollowed a lot or people and only followed those I like interacting with (mostly from FF or friends IRL) or have a common interest business-wise. Following under 2K made the interaction easier and more interesting.
- Sally Church
My only suggestion is to encourage you that after you dump everyone considering following a few of us that haven't had a chance to meet you in person. (yet)
- Keith - @tsudo
i've been meaning to do the same...good suggestion scoble
- Kevin Pruett
great way to start afresh, weed out all the spam from the post oprah-aston effect, now you will only have engaged followers, hopefully most that are also friendfeed loyalists
- Tate DA FF MVP
No need to talk you out of it. It's a smart move.
- Andru Edwards
from iPhone
Robert since friendfeed is a place 2 follow 1 another, there might not be a need 2 follow on Twitter unless u meet the person via face 2 face. In which I would love 2 @ some pt when we do cross path some pt.
- polou/indigo_bow
I wonder if you could organize a time when a bunch of us do this together to make a stand against the lack of user-friendly tools on Twitter. The fact that there are no groups or lists is ridiculous. This could make a big difference. What if there were a million unfollows? Would that get their attention?
- Ben Hanten
Personally, I look at search results and @ replies mostly, once in a while I'll scroll through my follow stream. Of course, thanks to @RackerHacker, I have several searches running via a ruby Twitter search bot that alerts me to interesting items via Jabber and email. Following is no longer a priority for me.
- Robert J Taylor
from iPhone
Whatever gets you through the night, Robert! :-)
- Lon Cohen
Why do you need to unfollow to ignore? You do that well already :-)
- RetiredTeacherD
You are doing the right activity to move the Twitter founders ,most of us are using Twitter long time but we never made anything against the SPAM or the porn users that are following by robots and posting so many links to porn sites ,it is so simple to block this activity but no one cares ,Twitter should learn much from Myspace links policy ,we can open new #tag#noporn and post there all the PORN tweets
- Johni Fisher
Don't want too unfollow you here Robert, that would be your choice.
- Mac Sharp
I believe the issue is more time and the medium you use everydsy, obviously the iphone. If you had three high powered connected desktops with dual monitors and could spend your time just with twitter, friendfeed, etc. it would not be so much of an issue. The truth is time for you to treat people as you would like to. I believe you are being realistic in your time management. I do not believe it is a lie for others to be able to deal with more than 2000 followers or subscribers.
- RetiredTeacherD
Great news! Caught up with this late, but a welcome addition to the stop auto follow movement. Just putting up a post on my http://stopautofollow.com site
- imrat
Ha ha, your new twitter is not on the list. It is not in your friendfeed either.
- RetiredTeacherD
Robert, I like you but I'm not going to beg or audition for a follow. Either you like what I do or you don't. If you expect me to perform a trick for you, I'm a tree and you're a misplaced bark.
- Akiva Moskovitz
The problem with WeFollow is that it has different levels of specificity. So someone can be classified under Python, Ruby on Rails, Google, Development, or whatever which technically is Tech but those other tags are more helpful.
- Eric Florenzano
If you want to read what I post, follow. If not, don't. One nice thing about not being internet famous is that those who do follow me are more likely to be genuine, folks I'd enjoy talking to in person.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
What is the value of wefollow? The site doesn't explain what it does.
- Brent Logan
Robert I am @ wefollow, but I am under photography, socialmedia sigh is that okay?
- polou/indigo_bow
Good points on wefollow Eric Florenzano - wefollow also limits to 3 choices. I have far more interests than 3. I program, develop, build automated machines, but I do not want to be known as that. I like being a people person for people. I am a tech person for the machines.
- RetiredTeacherD
Robert: I thought you were only going to follow those followed by @notsecretscoble?
- Angus Burton
from iPhone
I will go to sleep tonight, confident that Robert will follow me, not because I'm on wefollow.com (I'm not), but because of my sheer awesomeness.
- Glen, Bespectacled Elder
I don't think Robert followed me on Twitter anyway, no huge loss. He finds me when necessary...LOL
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
And I will go to sleep tonight not really giving a shit that he's not following me. Actually, I don't know that he ever has. Never cared to check. O.o
- Penguin It's Cold Outside
1UP Akiva and Penguin. I simply do not care.
- Rochelle
You are a trip Scoble but I agree with your thinking here. I had also arrived at those same conclusions about followers & DM's. I remember first knowing you back in 96 or so when beta testing the Winnov Videum Cam Traveler. I found that thing in a box. Still a GREAT camera by the way. Have fun
- Robert Anderson
Robert I like your stuff but I must agree with Akiva. I'm not going to register in wefollow under "tech". There are 32M people in that list. I'd like to be followed because I share interesting content and enjoy conversation but I'm not going to jump through some sort of hoop.
- Keith - @tsudo
Most of us are glad you are mass unfollowing on twitter so it will be useful for you but this is a bit much
- Keith - @tsudo
Robert: Please tell me which of your accounts I should follow. I'm confused. Cause it's who you follow that counts right?
- Andrew Smith
from fftogo
Andrew: follow @scobleizer or just follow me here, since that's the best place to follow me.
- Robert Scoble
Akiva: anyone cool doesn't need to worry. I am already following you here.
- Robert Scoble
It would be more interesting to just create a new account and start updating that and ignore the old account, and see how long it took for people to find you on the new one.
- Andy Bakun
And FriendFeed's where the real action's at!
- Akiva Moskovitz
thanx Robert @ least I'm not a bore, but irregular in shape lol
- polou/indigo_bow
I'm on wefollow, it's good. But why is it important for people to be on it for you to follow them?
- jjprojects
Robert: why do you care if someone is on wefollow?
- Nick in Manila
Robert: @scobleizer make a deal - I have enjoyed the brief interaction, I will follow you if you follow me
- Geer
not a fan of the wefollow, but i'll always keep my eye on your streams.
- MikeAmundsen
I registered in tech when I joined the industry over 30 years ago. Wefollow? Thanks, but at a glance it doesn't interest me. I'll follow my choices handcrafted as always. And some of them will also handpick me. Following and followers based on some other criteria just doesn't hold water for me. I think you're off the mark here Robert, but I've been nusy with moving and settling this week.
- Ken Camp
There goes the quality of #tech on @wefollow as the spammers join to get in front you. Nice.
- Peter Warnock
Peter: I doubt that this announcement will change the quality of #tech on @wefollow - spammers generally post a picture of a girl they find on the internet and then get followed by guys thinking "ooo she's hot i'll follow" ;)
- Nicholas James
I think wefollow is a useful starting point, but I'd be hesitant to use it as my gatekeeper, unless I was focused on celebrities and social media people.
- Ho John Lee
I'm #46 under Tech... But why is that a determinant?
- Mark Davidson
Wefollow only lets you enter 3 categories at a time. Some of us fit in more than 3 categories. I don't think wefollow is particularly helpful in guiding people.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Mark: because I'm mostly interested in geeks. It was my way of signaling to the world that I wouldn't be following non-geeks unless I had a good reason to. It was my way of causing a conversation. Wefollow is interesting, by the way. I wish I had other ways to look at the database than just numbers of followers.
- Robert Scoble
I am not listed there because I don't want to spam Twitter with the Wefollow nonsense.
- Louis Gray
So is the thought that you will sync Twitter to wefollow all the time so it becomes your master list and everything else is pruned?
- Todd Hoff
Holden, you don't have to, thanks to lists.
- Louis Gray
Holden: no. Because FriendFeed has groups. If I get tired of who i have followed I'll just open up a new group and start clean.
- Robert Scoble
The following count on http://twitter.com/Scobleizer couldn't keep up with the big unfollow (currently showing 79,249). This reminds me how YouTube used to miss the view count :-)
- Majento
Ohai! I've been following you on Twitter for 2.5 years, on a protected account on which I only follow 5 people (hyperbole). So, yah, we may not have met yet IRL, but I noticed the drop in my follower count, immediately, and I feel like I've lost a friend. While I AM listed on wefollow on my public account, I am most probably listed under categories that do not apply to you. I respect...
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- Yvette
Yvette: I am following you here, so no worries.
- Robert Scoble
I know. Isn't it funny how something so simple and non-personal can create an emotional response? I feel like clinging to your pant leg! It's utterly irrational and un-called-for. (And unnecessary.) Please do your thing. Don't mind me. :-)
- Yvette
re: #wefollow: on the first try got this: " Error 503 Service Unavailable Guru Meditation: XID: 166617335" this is truly a new age web ;) whether 3.0 or 2010.
- jacek
I wish you could search for people on wefollow, not just under tags, so you could see what tags certain people have used. Unless people have a lot of followers, it's hard to find them. Not all interesting people have a lot of followers.
- jjprojects
I wish Wefollow allowed more than 3 tags. I am listed under podcaster there, the other two are also important to me professionally as is tech, but I could only pick 3. Oh well, I may have to re-think one of my tags.
- Louis Trapani
Wefollow does seem to be a limited implementation of a good idea. A hierarchy would be good, too: what is #web as opposed to #webdeveloper? Isn't one really a subset of the other? Perhaps tagging yourself with #webdeveloper automatically puts you in #web as well, but it doesn't say that.
- James
how can i find myself on their lists? and what is their ranking algo?
- Chris Heath
Don't bother refollowing me on Twitter. The channel we can talk has been here for some time
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
I just didn't want to send the wefollow spam message back to twitter; so I won't be on there. Oh well.
- Phil Crissman
Let me know what my signal strength will be in your input channel. I'm already missing way too many good tweets due to following 2k in twitter. The 1k or so I sub to here feels more manageable
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
+1 Mark Essel - FriendFeed messaging is much better than Twitter DM
- Stuart Miniman
It may be more fun for you if you just follow people you find interesting.
- Citronella
OK, I'm listed there under tech, but also other categories. One can be a geek and still tweet about other things, like the arts, science, health care, good causes, etc. I'd like to see more "geeks" expand their horizons and follow people who have multiple interests and tweet about them. Certainly some geeks are multi-faceted and find the applications of technology in all areas of life...
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- Cathryn Hrudicka
How many tweeps are you looking to refollow?
- Justin Hileman
I find the sentences "anyone cool doesn't need to worry" and " I'm mostly interested in geeks" to be somewhat contradictory. ; ) I'm not sure what people mean by WeFollow spam, it just sends out one message when you select the tags to be listed under.
- Liz
wefollow is a joke - it's a pumper of the default list that's all.
- Allen Stern
I am listed - have been for a long time - but do not see any real value. I work as a project manager. Friendfeed and Twitter still needs more people from my profession to be competitive to other forums I use. I wish more folks from PMI would join Friendfeed.
- Frode Stenstrøm
"On the ninth floor of a luxury apartment building in NYC’s Tribeca neighborhood, the hallway is thick with the aroma of green. While a mix of young couples and well-off college grads populate the building, the reason for the heady atmosphere is a brand-new tenant. His mail comes to Scott Mescudi, but you know him better as Kid Cudi—rapper, Cleveland transplant, and all-around weirdo."
- Angus Burton
from Bookmarklet
2. But that means I can't closely follow my friends and people I've met face-to-face.
- Robert Scoble
3. Following 100,000 means you'll only randomly see Tweets, and you'll miss too much good stuff.
- Robert Scoble
4. There's no way you can completely follow more than a few hundred people. So, if you've followed more than 1,000 you need two accounts.
- Robert Scoble
5. I've been using this technique here on FriendFeed for more than a year and it really rocks (FriendFeed lets you split your friends up into lists, while Twitter forces you to get more than one account).
- Robert Scoble
or use TweetDeck, right? I haven't used it, but I understand it lets you group/prioritize the people you follow
- Joshua Maurice
Scoble, this solution doesn't seem to scale. In another year does this mean you'll have a supersecret account that only follows select people from the secret account?
- Ryan Jones
so one account for people you really want to follow and one for everyone that you follow back at both FF and Twitter?
- bev
Robert: makes sense...but what is the advantage of 2 accounts compared to Groups
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I use TweetDeck to organize my close friends into a list. That way, it's really easy for me to just follow those who are close to me, but still get DMs from everyone.
- Eric Pender
Is there a client aka Tweetdeck that allows you to pull in your Friendfeed friend's lists?
- Stephen Kennedy
... or any other BETTER filtering service than Tweetdeck, like PeopleBrowsr.
- Alan Veeck
Edwin: none, except that Twitter does not support groups and I'm not going to invest the time to build them in, say, TweetDeck when there's so much innovation going on in Twitter clients.
- Robert Scoble
There are more than a few Twitter usability issues that I'd like to see changed in addition to the required multiple accounts, deleting of DM's being easier and organizing of people as well....Tweetdeck allows this but Twitter should have thought of this internally...
- Walter Schwabe
This seems like a lot of effort to deal with the problem of courtesy refollows. Why not just follow those 500 people or so on your main Twitter account? If you don't care what people say publicly and they're just noise, why deal with the acres of spammers sending you DMs to shill for some crappy product?
- Trent Hamm
bev: right, I think. Ryan: yeah, this probably doesn't scale. But for now it does.
- Robert Scoble
My Twitter numbers are strikingly similar to my FF numbers - when it comes to followers / followees. I've never broken 1000 when it comes to people I follow and every so often I go through and prune my list to help tune the noise. I've given up on Twitter and really focus most of my effort on my FF friends.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
I see. the 2 account approach makes it portable across twitter client. smart
- Edwin Khodabakchian
With Seesmic Desktop I created groups like "China, Hong Kong, France, Ogilvy, etc etc" and it works fine
- Jean-François Amadei
Alan: for instance, if I had spent the time doing that on TweetDeck, now I'm using Seesmic Web. So I'd have to recreate the groups.
- Robert Scoble
Tweetdeck became a necessity after 100 follows. I have groups and I rarely add to them- which means that me following you on twitter means virtually nothing as I rarely read the main feed. I can see this really corrupting your % followers to followed, which I do care about. Anyways, FF does make this a more feasible situation, to follow lots of people and still interact with them. Whereas with Twitter I'd have to resort to 2 accoutns.
- anna sauce
Amir: I only have one, but I have several lists of friends.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Do you recommend that technique to everyone?
- Amir
I jus noticed, you don't follow me on twitter for DMs. heart breaking, that must be why you never answer me on twitter :P
- Özgür D. Cyric
I do the same, and it greatly improved my twitter experience. now i never miss what my close buds are saying.
- sean percival
Looking through the list, I noticed you follow lots of people, but not a lot of feed type accounts. No newspapers, rss crossposts, etc... It's all people, maybe discuss why?
- Jim Graham
Seesmic is a good little program, not as "weird feeling" as Tweetdeck.
- Gus
will they add tags/filters on twitter? would be nice, but one thing which makes twitter great is its simplicity
- diegovanegas
Amir: either that technique or join FriendFeed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Jim: because I want to view my news through the filter of people I know.
- Robert Scoble
Functionality and usability are key I'd say most of the 3rd party apps that are good give you that work for grouping Twitter properly, I prefer TweetDeck, but it is just a matter of comfort I had tried Seesmic and others, I guess I really liked the go anywhere connectivity of Tweetdeck when it went iPhone.
- Patrick Boegel
To me the conflict between DM and tweets proves a weakness in the twitter concept, so why not pushing them to address that. You can set up a massive vote for something like this.
- Jcm Manuel
Jcm: if Twitter listened to me they would get rid of the Suggested User List. I'd rather not beat my head against a brick wall.
- Robert Scoble
So this new one is basically Scoble using Twitter the way everyone else does?
- Jan Dawson
There must be a proper way to combine things. Twitter is all about limitations, but if they force people to have 2 accounts, there's clearly something that sux.
- Jcm Manuel
Jan: most of the people I'm following have thousands of friends. This one is more picky.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin you can keep up by using tweedteck or seesmic (allow for multiple accounts)
- Jcm Manuel
Kevin: multiple screens. And I don't look at 100,000 people very often. The noise there is extraordinary.
- Robert Scoble
With your 2nd twitter account, you pretty much can ignore the first one, but use second one to broadcast to a much bigger group. One for socializing, one for broadcasting?
- Nagesh C
I know.....I use tweetdeck, but between email, myspace, facebook, twitter......it's ALOT of noise. I'm struggling to actually engage on twitter they way I would like. Robert, do you remember me from the Himmelman/Skin tour?
- Kevin Montgomery
I bet that your DMs will diminish on the first account pretty soon, if not already
- Nagesh C
That's a great idea, especially for someone like you. How can you even keep up with all of these comments on your posts? FF is definitely much more logical and organized than Twitter. I only use Twitter for those who don't have FF, and then I just have imaginary friends. I hardly ever go to Twitter (in any form).
- Californian
Nagesh: the smart people DM me on FriendFeed already, yes.
- Robert Scoble
I don't have the problem of thousands of people I follow, but I do know that before I follow someone, I look to the posting behavior. If he/she's posting just a few good messages per day I follow, it it's a spammer like Scoble I don't follow - unless he's called Scoble of course LOL. But my approach is to choose very carefully.
- Jcm Manuel
By the way, the whole LINKING between services sux too. For instance, I follow Scoble on another twitter account. But when it linked to friendfeed, it logged in with my other account (I have 2 accounts there as well) - because in the browser you always log in with the account you last logged in (unless the session has expired). I didn't even notice that I didn't "friendfeed" with the account that sent me here. There's very little control over all these things - I make errors like this very often.
- Jcm Manuel
Aren't most of the people you've met face to face on Friendfeed with feeds from Twitter/blogs/facebook/etc..? In terms of broadcasting, feed the main Twitter account and use FF to filter, as you mentioned. Seems simple enough, am I missing something?
- Benjamin Taylor
Some 2 hours ago I was looking on the Seesmic site if they had some public planning of developments, but I couldn't find it. I would love to know what they plan - e.g. if they plan to add friendfeed to Seesmic desktop. And myspace feed of course.
- Jcm Manuel
Loic says they were waiting for FriendFeed's new API to work on FriendFeed support. I'd expect that's coming soon now.
- Robert Scoble
ok that's great anyway. I find it strange though that myspace is so often ignored - that's 250 million people as well. Seesmic, Flock... etc. they don't seem to care a lot.
- Jcm Manuel
This is the exact reason why the number one new feature Twitter needs is user groups. With user groups you can manage the information and pay attention to what is important. I find it surprising and actually ridiculous that they haven't been able to implement this feature yet. Scoble is right about not investing time in Twitter clients to create user groups; the innovation in this field...
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- Angus Burton
I do the same thing. My second account I call the "PIMP" group, People I've Met Personally. Two accounts is better than Tweetdeck groups because I don't like to be stuck in tweetdeck.
- Scott Jangro
for me, Twitter is biz, Friendfeed can serve as both personal and biz. Originally, my 1 twitter account was meant 2 be personal, but now its more than that, its 4 advocacy and social purpose. Therefore I find if I want anything personal, friendfeed and identi.ca would be better serve 4 me!
- polou/indigo_bow
I've said it several times in several places, and again here just to hear myself ramble. Tweetdeck misses tweets very often. I've created columns/groups/whatever you wanna call it to follow family and friends. It misses their stuff more than it catches it. So, for me, and several other people I know, it's unreliable... and therefore unusable. I'm not too keen on using Peoplebrowsr or...
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- John
I have 3 twitter accounts and manage a friendfeed & twitter account for someone else, so that makes 4 twitters and 2 friendfeeds I have to keep my eyes on.
- April Russo (app103)
I have opened a second twitter account to stream there most of my links I feel like to (re)share w/o comments, and reserve the "main" account for more "conversation-like" stuff. Not sure yet if it will work, I am still experimenting. I also realized that I can use that second account to filter my twitter feed when I am mobile (follow real people on one account and news sources on another, for example...)
- Ashalynd
It'll be interesting times when Twitter does implement some kind of filtering function and you'll want to merge multiple accounts.
- Vincent van Wylick
I usually find that interesting things I find on Twitter already has been filtered through to Friendfeed, so I have to say I care less and less about checking Twitter
- Asgeir
Just suspending my experimental automated one. Apparently A LOT of people don't dig that :) The TOP SECRET address is .....
- Charlie Anzman
All of this just so you can get DMs on Twitter? Your email address (and your cell phone number) are right on your blog. Do you have so little faith in email? Or do you want to force people into 140 character messages, so you get less lengthy emails? By creating convoluted systems, you haven't solved anything. You're not addressing an obsessive need to be in touch with everyone through...
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- Joost Schuur