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Blame FriendFeed - http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
Francisco Euzebio da Cruz, Pat Hawks, Ron Sela and 27 other people liked this
"Remember: I blame FriendFeed for this, and Robert Scoble, Steve Rubell, Dave Winer, and all the rest of the puppets and ex-Techcrunch analysts who, by appearing to rationally debate the pluses and minuses of FriendFeed versus Twitter, suggest FriendFeed even exists in the absence of Twitter. Nik Cubrilovic doesn’t help either with his cogent (except for the Rails part) analysis of Twitter’s scaling problems. Nowhere in this debate (most of it mercifully hidden forever behind the FriendFeed black hole where conversations go to die) was there a word spoken about the fatal Track bug until Jack hit the Off switch. Now, in the cool clarity of no pulse whatsoever can we begin to rationally approach a solution. Forgetting that Hillary has shown no indication of processing the similar lack of pulse in her White House aspirations, let’s put the blame for all this squarely on the parasite API suckers and their dark master FriendFeed. Good."
- Paul Buchheit
?
- Paul Buchheit
I accuse my parents (a little MST3K humor)
- Mark Dykeman
My guess is that a good deal of folks who are otherwise technology experts haven't yet mastered the "Hide" option, and seeing Twitter in FriendFeed makes them feel it's simply an echo chamber for Twitter. Hiding Twitter, and/or utilizing the many other sources that are not Twitter here in FriendFeed makes it more valuable.
- Louis Gray
Someone pass around what Steve Gillmor is smoking. That is some heavy stuff he's got in his stash. I think I counted 10 words he seriously made up for that post. And why is friendfeed to blame for the XMPP/Jabber shutdown?
- Mark Trapp
WTF? This guy reminds me of Gary Busey, but angrier, if that's even possible.
- April Buchheit
This article simply doesn't make any sense. Please reword for clarity.
- Eric Florenzano
This is very amusing :-)
- j1m
I was afraid when I saw "?" there. And now...no comment... :S
- Erhan Erdoğan
Is he kidding? I hope he's kidding. FriendFeed exists with or without twitter. In fact, I would love to see twitter removed from FriendFeed altogether. Guaranteed there would still be plenty of conversations revolving around the links shared, the pictures posted, etc.
- EricaJoy
I don't follow Twitter at all on FriendFeed. I find it somewhat ironic that one of Steve G's big passions was (is?) "Attention Metadata" and FriendFeed via likes, comments, etc is actually a service that makes great use of attention metadata!
- Robert Seidman
I enjoy that this Friendfeed post has more comments than his post on TechCrunch.
- Mark Trapp
This is the most buzzword-laden web 2.0 rant I have ever read. It's like he is making words up to describe stuff every other paragraph or so. And.. what's this jab at Clinton in the middle? How random.
- Phil Glockner
FriendFeed direct posts are really similar to Twitter in my mind.
- Hutch Carpenter
@Paul can you share the percentage of FF users that hide twitter posts?
- EricaJoy
Gillmor refuses to realize that the comment feature of FriendFeed does indeed add value that Twitter lacks. That's probably the key reason why I MOVED MY conversations to FriendFeed! Also, the sharing feature is the reason why I like FriendFeed! IF I merely wanted the 'stream of consciousness' of Twitter, I would just use Twitter! I think that FriendFeed 'exposes' the 'chinks in Twitter's armor'
- Thomas Ho
from fftogo
I think that Mark Trapp's observation is 'priceless'
- Thomas Ho
from fftogo
It sounds like Gillmor hasn't given FriendFeed nearly enough time if he thinks it's only "Twitter, but slower". I have a great time on here with Twitter hidden half of the time. If anything, let's blame Twitter for so much noise and/or so much conversation due to their issues
- Andrew Dobrow
FriendFeed can definitely make it without Twitter...so many conversations occur without Twitter being involved at all.
- Chris Rossini
That... made no sense to me. Still dazed from the insanity of it all. I see more conversations here on links and such than on tweets. And really, why is FriendFeed to blame for the Jabber shutdown? Seriously!
- dgw
Hilarious
- Aviv
Twitter is probably the least interesting feed I see on FriendFeed.
- Adam Thorsen
funniest ever on tc
- kosmar
This whole article was most undirectional article, I have read in recent times. I read it twice, and can't make out, what he want to say.
- Varun Mahajan
Adam, same here. I personally find the vast majority of twitter messages to be extremely boring and of no use to me.
- Aviv
Where are these "siloed conversation spamyards" to which he refers? You could say that about any chat system (if I understand his rather obtuse meaning) and FF discussions are quite cogent and open. (And seem especially so if you've ever spent any time in the Digg comments.)
- Nicķ
I usually keep the Twitter FF feed open. FF is definitely NOT the only app pulling on Twitter's API. Hundreds of sites, clients, etc?. Twitter had (maybe has) time to distinguish itself. Just 'come clean' with regular community updates. (PR time?) So far it's been lame. In the meantime, there's no doubt Friendfeed will continue to increase it's pull. Twitter put the API out there. THEY need to deal with the results, whether they were ready or not
- Charlie Anzman
FriendFeed is what you put in to it. If you add all your Twitter friends and nobody else, FriendFeed will appear to be Twitter with siloed conversations, but in that case that's exactly what you asked for. If you don't add a thousand people as friends and convince a thousand people to follow you then you won't see any of this 'spam graveyard' Steve talks about. You get what you ask for, and irrelevance is what you get if you add irrelevant friends.
- Kevin Fox
It's also worth noting how much FriendFeed thrived when Twitter had its difficulties this week. That would seem to put a hole in the argument that FriendFeed is primarily a downstream service to Twitter.
- Kevin Fox
Yea Cat fight !!!!
- viki saigal
OK friendfeed is NOT twitter. Its something else, and I like both. (sticks out tongue)...via feedalizr
- Photo Larry
He shouldn't drink before writing for TechCrunch
- Alejandro
man, I honestly care jack shit about what people post on Twitter, but I find FF incredibly useful. Gillmor is seriously off his rocker with this post (which is the least legible I've seen on TC in a long time).
- Chieze Okoye
4 years passed, all the comments are still valid. #humdaybumpday
- Ahmet Yükseltürk
so far today my accomplishments include "waking up" and "reading the internet." Time to get moving...
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Oh Yeah Baby! Look OUT!
a runcible MiniMage, WoH: Minding her Steves, LB is Li'l Roo. and 27 other people liked this
Oh snap
- Michelle M
YAY!!! Especially loved for the cheesy "take the damned picture already" smile in the lower right!
- FFing Enigma
Somewhere, an angel is weeping tears of joy.
- Mike Nayyar
Ok Gentlemen. Time for you to 'flesh' out the rest of the book. Post your chapters when they are ready. I'll get Amazon.com on the horn and alert them that they might have another Hairy Pothead book craze coming their way!
- Morgan
Well played, Morg.
- Josh Haley
I wish there was a way to type a comment and sound like Barry White...
- Morgan
A book might require too much work perhaps a calendar is in order.
- Mark Krynsky
Are those all photos of you?
- Anika
Morgan, you're pretty cute. Yep, I'm subscribed to you
- Shevonne
Chapter One: morgan and only morgan. yeah baby. that's right.
- Morgan
I feel like this will turn into the Tek Jansen Adventures. Chapter 231: Morgan Haley, wearing scuba gear!
- Mike Nayyar
I'm down with that Mike. Scuba-doobie-doo!
- Morgan
Shevonne: thank you for the kind words. now let's go dancing!
- Morgan
Naturally you're Chapter 1. Love this. :)
- felicious
Every day, every day, every day I write the book.
- Morgan
Spidra: you are making me love you more and more with the busting out of the Elvis Costello! I'm a huge EC fan, just for the record.
- Morgan
A bit behind, yeah, I know a come on when I see one! :-)
- Morgan
Jurrassic Bump
- Morgan
Haha
- Rodfather
Wow, evidence of the first FF account I had. I had no idea my comments would disappear when I deleted it...
- Spidra Webster
I'd buy that for a dollar.
- Mellissa
Q&A: Delicious Founder Joshua Schachter on His Next Act, Jig - Liz Gannes - Social - AllThingsD - http://allthingsd.com/2011082...
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skoodat, fiksu
- ganesha
No Matter How Hard You Try, It Is Impossible To Fax A Cat #shareit
satine, Ahmet Yükseltürk, selimovski and 734 other people liked this
LOL!
- Kol Tregaskes
That poor cat looks so confused.
- EBJT
but it's so warm on top of the scanner!
- DJF
Time for a cat scan!
- Jemm
Iz I the right way up for printing?
- Vicky
This is clearly not my cat. If this was my cat he's have one arm shoved down into the printer trying to tear up all the internal whirling bits with his bare claws.
- Soup in a TARDIS
LOL, Soup!
- Kol Tregaskes
that is one adorable kitten!
- Anna Lynn M.
<3
- Furkan Tunalı
Too Funny! Reminds me of the San Mateo Cat Shelter where one of the cats loves to sleep on top of the laster printer where the paper comes out...
- Greg Lato
Kitty!!!!
- Janice
keep trying!
- Morgan
FEED ME A CAT
- tehKenny
Kol, it is NOT impossible. And that's all I'm saying.
- Steven Perez
Push harder
- Josh Haley
LOL@Jemm
- AJ Batac (/-_-)
آخی
- یک بابک
Hehe, Steven. I won't ask. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Gosh, just noticed this post has nearly 150 likes! :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
1 closer....hilarious!
- Jeffrey Marsh
There we go 150 likes. :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
I'm in ur faxx masheen -- sendin de faxxez....
- Stephanie Segel
thanks, i needed a laugh
- chaz2b
FAXCAT IS NOT AMUSED
- Karl Knechtel
iz dat some copycat?
- bora "head" basman
LOL, now nearly 200 likes! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Thats no fax machine, thats my new patented kitty juicer!
- Threepwood
Just one more like... please. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
it's over two huuunddreeeed
- bora "head" basman
MOAR!
- Pat Hawks
I need 9 copies please !
- Faraz Mullick
A cute cat :)
- Mohammad Abdurraafay
Haha, Faráz.
- Kol Tregaskes
Next target, 250 likes. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Friendfeed loev faxcat :o
- Karl Knechtel
;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Pussy by fax. What will they think of next?
- Mattb4rd
X))
- Neya
OMGosh, next up is the 300 likes mark. Anyone care to join in? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Honestly, i'm not generally a fan of the Cat memes... But that is classic.
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
You know this is the 7th most liked entry on FriendFeed ever: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search... !!!
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, this thread is pure genius.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
But only almost 50 comments.. :)
- Simon Wicks
Simon, there's not much to comment regarding the picture :) But meta-comments are more than appropriate!
- Ivan Zuzak
Simon, yeah we need 1500+ comments now, who wants to start? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
there we go then for the 1500+!!
- Jaap Willem
1600+ to beat the FFundercats live chat thread. I think with this real time now on all threads we're going to see some truly epic comment numbers.
- Simon Wicks
Ivan, no the picture speaks for itself. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
OK, now it's the 4th: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search... - it's gonna take a huge effort to break the record of 452+ likes here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/imified...
- Kol Tregaskes
OK, now this is the 3rd most liked entry: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search... :-D Crazy!
- Kol Tregaskes
Too bad I am fresh out of likes of I would do it again.
- Jason (not an Argonaut)
I'm using this photo in the latest chapter of can haz murder
- anna sauce
Hehe, Anna. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
One more for 350 likes, LOL. This is mental! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Come on, 350 cats for a cat getting crushed? You guys are mean. :-P
- Richard A.
I'd like again if I could :-)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
bump
- Simon Wicks
Richard, LOL!
- Kol Tregaskes
Awesomely funny!
- Martha
Next target: 400 likes? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
theres one more for you Kol
- Toby Graham
Toby, you're very kind. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Cute *_*
- Sybelle
Hehe.
- Kol Tregaskes
Just 6 more likes for the 400 then I'll leave you alone. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
can you spare a cat 6 likes?
- Jason (not an Argonaut)
sweet
- Eric Hofmann
Haha, Jason, wow 406 likes, madness! :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
Madness? THIS. IS. FAX CAT.
- Mike Nayyar
Well 452 likes is the record, hmm I think that is pushing it. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Awesome.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
this is underfaksink at its worzt
- pb:
Petr, I have no idea what you mean, but thank you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
@Kol .. :] that, partially, might have been the purpose.... I don't know it exactly either. :] .. was I reflecting on a cat under the fax, and that it is hard to fax that way ... /?:] ... "underfaxing at its worst" ..
- pb:
Ah, OK, Petr. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
there ya have me ! :] .... see, to be honest with you, i saw this pic couple days ago, but i let it go, without posting it ..... what does that make me? :]
- pb:
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
OMGosh, just 23 more likes to beat this: http://beta.friendfeed.com/imified... ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
433 Like ! Wow !
- Like
Freemor, yes very cute! :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
cute~
- Chan Pen
that's why is called a cat scan and not a cat fax.
- Phil Maxwell
oh ... a scan. not fax?! .... it looked to me like she was faxink
- pb:
Just 5 more likes needed. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Fax, Petr. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
even a flat cat... faxes just can't handle the hair. You'd have to shave the cat first, else the hair will burn and stick to the drum... a mess! (I am extrapolating from transparencies, mind, i don't have access to a cat to test)
- Iphigenie
Hehe, Joelle. This is now tied for the 'likes' top stop. One more then, hehe. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Hehe, Greg. Blimey! Erm, is that not far from 500 likes now? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Bloody marvelous, Kol. Wish I could like it again... too cute (and help u to 500 likes).
- Roberto Bonini
I couldn't believe it when I logged on from the morning over posting it and saw it was at something 200 likes! You all have a strange fetish with cats and fax machines, hehe. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Am I the only one who saw this and their first thought was - My goodness did someone break that cats neck? It still freaks me out a little
- SteVe C
Steve, it does look a little out of place, but cats are pretty bendy. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
They fax much better if you flatten them first. What?
- Kevin (barely visible)
LOL, Kevin.
- Kol Tregaskes
i can also imagine the cat going there cause it is snug and warm
- Iphigenie
Ey, it would be a tad warm on there, especially after a long working day. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Caption which needs to be said aloud: Uh Ohz, I'm totally FAXED!
- sofarsoShawn <Pop-Rocks>
Hehe, Shawn. 10 more for the big 5-0-0. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Countdown! 8 more now!
- Mike Nayyar
bump for more likes
- Josh Haley
bump
- Roberto Bonini
One more!! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I took mine away, too much pressure.
- SteVe C
Wow, there we go, 500 likes!! Thank you all!! :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
I think Fax Kitty deserves a prize for that.
- EBJT
меня, признаться, подзаебал этот кот
- Парадокс Смейла
Kendra, absolutely. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
So we can put this post to rest now. :-) 505 likes final count, wow! :-D Good night all!
- Kol Tregaskes
did 3 people really un-like this? now at 506. wtf (edit: uh, oh, yeah, me and 2 + 506 others makes 509. dammit, jim, i'm an artist, not a mathematician)
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
wish I could double like!
- metalerik
Wish I could just like it at all. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
This is also still on the Best of page. That must be the longest running best of post? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
But it's a cat being crushed...
- Richard A.
برای چی این همه لایک خورده؟؟؟؟؟
- نصرآبادی
Hehe, Richard.
- Kol Tregaskes
copy cat
- gibilix
518 like! most liked post?
- Lu Tao
ay yerim yaa çok tatlı kedicikk :))
- Arzu
Lu, yeah but a long way now. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
*bump*
- Andre
Blew past 500 likes - LIKE!!!!!
- Roberto Bonini
OMGosh, nearly heading to 550!!
- Kol Tregaskes
So we know how many people use this site.
- Richard A.
So that's what Paws Printing means.
- Jack&Cleo
Richard, we getting there. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Jack, hehe.
- Kol Tregaskes
this thread is making history.
- vijay
Indeed .. this is a most epic thread
- Mattb4rd
Hehe. 9 more for 550!
- Kol Tregaskes
8...
- sofarsoShawn <Pop-Rocks>
7. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Actually only 5...cuz "You, Earl E Morningwood, yasin ghasemi and... 542 liked this"
- sofarsoShawn <Pop-Rocks>
Who wants to bet how many likes this thead is going to get???
- Roberto Bonini
Gosh, no idea.
- Kol Tregaskes
take some bets then come back in a year to check?
- Iphigenie
:)
- SokooteDel
Holy smokes .. this pussy cat is approaching 600 likes!
- Mattb4rd
552 now, so there are some unlikes going on, hehe, oh well. Still an amazing amount of likes. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
560!
- sofarsoShawn <Pop-Rocks>
And back down to 559. Hehe.
- Kol Tregaskes
And how could anyone not love kitties after seeing this photo?
- Susan Beebe
I liked it without reading this discussion - evidentially we have a lot of people who like the idea of faxing a cat!
- Rich
Rich, yes, worrying, hehe. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
564!
- sofarsoShawn <Pop-Rocks>
I think we'll have to recruit more ffeeps before this record will ever be broken
- Jason (not an Argonaut)
maybe a good way to clone cats :)
- Roberto
Hehe, Roberto.
- Kol Tregaskes
This surely couldn't hit 600 likes, could it!?
- Kol Tregaskes
It could! Keep bumping it up!
- imabonehead
It will :)
- Roberto Bonini
My next cat post: http://beta.friendfeed.com/the-fun...
- Kol Tregaskes
Wow, not even 600 Likes? Feh. ;-)
- j1m
No yet. Close though. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Stuck on 581.
- Kol Tregaskes
One of the best funny cat pictures I've seen! :-)
- John Collis
Kristian, it appears to be. Hehe, John.
- Kol Tregaskes
ای بابا این پیشول بی خیال نمی شود، بابا پاشو برو دنبال یه بازی دیگه ، از هفته پیش تا حالا تو فکس ولو شدی حوصله ات سر نرفته، پاشو اقلا بپر رو کیبوردی چیزی
- Maryaminaa
11 more to 600. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
داداش كوتاه بيا، مي خواي ركورد بزني!؟
- Exir
هستم بره این کامنتتو ترجمه کنه اکسیر ! :))) داره از فضولی میمیره الان ! :D
- Shayan
Hehe, 6 more likes. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Need 1 more like, by my calculation, to get to 600
- Josh Haley
Another unlike then, back down to 598. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
it's 598+3, at the moment ;-)
- Andre
There we go, 601!! Wow, can't believe it. :-D Thanks everyone!!
- Kol Tregaskes
3 people un liked :(
- Roberto Bonini
I think there have been made unlikes over the last week, oh well.
- Kol Tregaskes
too many likes, the kitteh is burning up..stop the madness...;)
- Jason (not an Argonaut)
Haha, Jason.
- Kol Tregaskes
614!!!!!
- sofarsoShawn <Pop-Rocks>
Whoa! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
man! ..Kol is gaining ... and I saw that pic one day before Kol posted it :X ..and i let it go! :[)]
- pb:
Petr, who's he?
- Kol Tregaskes
omg, this post passed 600 likes!
- imabonehead
@Kol ..well the man .. Mr Photographer .. ok .. let me go there ..
- pb:
I see. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
631 likes, amazing stuff. :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
Day 11 and this thing's still going!
- Phil Maxwell
Why fax yourself when you can get famous via FriendFeed? :-)
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
whereas a cat *scan* is totally feasible
- Megan Craig
Kol, congratulations, you won the Friendfeed Award for the most likes entry!
- Jérôme
Kol is this from your rival: Squashy Cat Photography?
- sofarsoShawn <Pop-Rocks>
Haha, Shawn. Have you really bumped this one again? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
LOL I was actually looking at best of month and I thought I'm going to be clever :-)
- sofarsoShawn <Pop-Rocks>
this makes me laugh every darn time I see it
- Stephanie•CogSciLibrarian
Who is this NShawnFW? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
kitties do like to find new spots to nap :)
- Maryam
LOL, now over 650 likes.
- Kol Tregaskes
این هنوز در نیومده از لای این دستگاه؟
- Maryaminaa
Wow. this is good..... pleased, Kol?
- Roberto Bonini
Pleased? About the number of likes? I'm happy regardless. :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
So do we think it will go to 700 likes? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
what do you mean by "it" ? say "he" or "she". :)
- Maryaminaa
Haha, I was referring to the entry. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
lol
- Maryaminaa
I see someone already posted 'Copy Cat' !! LOL Great picture
- Kevin J Hatton
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
O HAI! I IZ WATIN FR COOPONZ, KTHXBYE.
- WYRD 101
Neksnapper 3000 Kitten Eradicator - Kills Kittehs Dead
- Mattb4rd
Hehe.
- Kol Tregaskes
10 more likes for 700! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
7 more by my count!
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
Oops, yes you're right, Bec. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Isn't it illegal to fax a pussy?
- aerobroken
It's really only social convention which regards it as inappropriate, same with Xeroxing it, like one does with their b__tocks. Wait are we still talking about cats cats here or...
- sofarsoShawn <Pop-Rocks>
OMGosh 700+ likes now!! LOL. Thank you all 702 of you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Wow, not so bad huh? \u)
- Zu from AOD
Before faxing it, you have to flatten it out a bit. You're going at it all wrong! :-)
- Rick Cogley
Must try this at home!
- Anthony K. Valley ©
Bumping some old great posts. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Now THAT is a classic!
- Allan Besselink
you have to flatten it first!!! ;)
- Neda S.
This is very good humor!
- TrafficBug
Hey, we've hit the 700-like mark. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
just a couple thousand to go
- Jason (not an Argonaut)
LOL
- Smeerch
__awesome__
- scotu ._.,
and it got resurrected once again!
- Iphigenie
I managed to do it once, but I don't think I'm going to do it again. The results were a little fuzzy.
- Seth Greenblatt
Bump.
- Kol Tregaskes
ahahahahaha salaaa baaaaaakkkkkk
- missipipi
I'm so glad this thread has been revived. The cat in the fax machine never fails to delight.
- Michelle Jones
aha! 700 kişi zorla kapağın altına tepilen kediyi beğenmiş
- Siminya
I've heard of cheap paper but this is ridiculous!!
- Neda S.
Copy the cat
- Alyn William
And there I was thinking this was the most liked post on FriendFeed. Darn, just 3rd. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Just 100 more likes to go. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Missed this the first time around.
- John (bird whisperer)
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Wow, over 700 likes. :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
715 likes and counting.
- Kol Tregaskes
Fax Yeah!
- Arcanized Crime
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
who revived that one?
- Iphigenie
Me, sorry.
- Kol Tregaskes
Just 40 more likes. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
all right let's do it...
- Iphigenie
Love this one!
- Fossil Huntress
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Cricket World Cup 2011: India v Pakistan - as it happened | Rob Smyth and Sean Ingle | Sport | guardian.co.uk - http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport...
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"So, the best two teams in the tournament will meet in the final on Saturday, the first between two Asian sides? Sehwag v Dilshan, Tendulkar v Tharanga, Sangakkara v Dhoni, Jayawardene v Yuvraj, Murali v Harbhajan, Zaheer v Malinga. It's going to be an unbelievable occasion. See you then, and thanks for all the emails today."
- EBJT
from Bookmarklet
WOW. Wonder if I'll be able to see it.
- Bubba was a rollin stone
That's pretty awesome. 29 runs is such a slim margin, innit?
- Zamms
Comparison. - http://twitpic.com/4aciog
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lol
- Jemm
awesome))
- Алекперов Дмитрий
Victoria's Secret Cadılar Bayramı Kolleksiyonu - http://www.seyvet.com/foto...
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Quack.
Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど, Charlie Anzman, Marissa and 38 other people liked this
No, I think that's a 'honk'.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Michael, that is correct. Quack.
- Louis Gray
I know where you are!! Penny has a membership :)
- Georgia
Georgia, next time you take Penny, DM us in advance. We can sync. :)
- Louis Gray
My kids love that place too. They did a great job on the new bobcat enclosure.
- Stephen Mack
from iPhone
Happy Hollow?
- DGentry
How did Sarah know ducks are my favorite animal? I think Dad should get her a pet duck for Christmas.
- Liza + = ?
Hey, I know that goose. That's Roxie. I used to torment her by making her jealous by calling out to her boyfriend, (the other goose) Alex. I would holler, "Aleeeeex!" and Roxie would just go nuts. :) (I used to work at the PAJMZ.)
- April Buchheit
LOOK AT IT!
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
April, did you work there the same time as Darin W.?
- Stephen Mack
from iPhone
Those colors...they call me!
- a runcible MiniMage
I worked there during the summer of 2003 at Zoo Camp.
- April Buchheit
More reasons that April is awesome.
- Louis Gray
Emma Watson Cutie - http://emmawatsonlovely.blogspot.com/2010...
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Emma Watson Photo Set - http://emmawatsonlovely.blogspot.com/2010...
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I miss her hair.
- Alex Scrivener
Texas Pneumatic
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No comment.
- Micah
It was located on the Golden Gate—there weren't too many direction-to-run options.
- Micah
yeah.,... inside is part of the missing plutonium from 12 US medical research labs. * not serious but having a James Thurber moment*
- Melanie Reed
John, yeah roflol
- Melanie Reed
Dad: Honey, I was cleaning out the garage today and I know you can't afford a new one so I thought I'd bring this over and let you get some use out of it. You want me to show you how to hook it up? Me: Uh, thanks, Dad. I'll let you know how it goes.
- Melanie Reed
Bridge in Haze - http://wittman.posterous.com/bridge-...
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Taken from the ferry to Alcatraz.
- Micah
ilgincurunbuldum.com to ilgincurunbuldum.com's feed, FAIL THINGS, interesting products, Komik Resimler, Funny Pics and Videos, Funny Funny
pokemon fail
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fakemon
- Fikret
:))
- ilgincurunbuldum.com
güzelmiş..
- ☮ Yılmaz Barış
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- delinefer46
Why I Turned In My iPhone and Went Android - louisgray.com - http://blog.louisgray.com/2010...
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"For such a long-time Apple believer and Mac/iPhone customer, the idea of turning my back on Steve Jobs and crew, stopping my app store and media buying preferences almost entirely and choosing a divergent path is not one taken lightly. In the two months following Google I/O, I've talked about my looking at Android and how I think the mobile operating system is a real challenger to the iPhone's place on the pedestal in the world of smartphones, but I didn't make a lot of noise about my taking the final step and switching to Android. It turns out that on the very day the iPhone 4 hit Apple Stores and AT&T Stores around the country, I was trading mine in and converting the family (including my wife) to Google's OS. Given many of the comments I have seen around the Web comparing the two platforms, I thought I would explain my choice - especially as news articles are hitting seemingly every day that back up my hypotheses."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
Louis has seen the light. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
YEAH!
- Mo Kargas
I am going to wade into the comments of that post and start stomping heads. Who's with me?
- Louis Gray
like!
- Elyla
Was shocked to learn an iPhone still requires a desktop computer for activation and some other functions. These smartphones are supposed to be computer replacements!
- Mike Chelen
Absolutely, Louis. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
+1 Mike. I don't think the iPhone can sync iTunes wirelessly either.
- Steve and 3 other people
Devices shouldn't care if they are on wireless or wired networks, as long as there is some kind of data connection. After using an Android phone for about a week, the first time it has had any cause to be plugged into a computer is for app development.
- Mike Chelen
kind of sums it up: "I've chosen Apple many times and will again in the future, but I don't think I should buy into a system that restricts my choices when another one is out there that enables my choices."
- Mickey Schafer
"Silver fish hand catch" - Love it! http://www.youtube.com/watch... #oldspice
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Studiando storia dell'arte
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Source: U.S.-Slovenia ref gets poor rating - International Football - Yahoo! Sports - http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer...
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"...given Coulibaly’s rating, there is virtually no chance he will get to referee any more matches in the tournament. However, he could still be used as a fourth official."
- Fried Curdys
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A friend of mine (with two youth soccer-aged daughters) remarked after the match that he didn't know if it was routine for game-winning goals to be mysteriously waved off in soccer or not, but that call probably set soccer in the US back twenty years.
- cdogzilla | downgraded
Actually, I think it has progressed US soccer... The amount of a) passion and outrage and b) interest in them qualifying for the round of 16 is unprecedented
- Johnny
For all the ladies out there in FF world. Enjoy!
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Keeping it funky fresh.
- Mike Nayyar
THats kind of creep
- Tyler (Chacha)
me and josh in 1986. couple of stud muffins!
- Morgan
I am in love
- Shevonne
Errr... LOL?
- Ron
oh no...
- Josh Haley
Now Petah Pipah Picked Peppahs, A Run Rock Rhyme...
- Josh Haley
Sean: the Run DMC hat is Josh!
- Morgan
I didn't realize Josh looked sort of like a Cory Haim doppleganger...
- Mike Nayyar
hard rocks!
- Carlos Ayala
wow.
- Cee Bee
for the record: I had just finished a photoshoot for a friend's mom's clothing store and they let me keep the shirt. So we hammed it up all dorky-fresh style, just cause we could. I could see a point sometime in the future where I come to regret posting this picture.... :-)
- Morgan
oh it's already been right-clicked-saved so watch your step haley(s)!
- Cee Bee
Ah, the days when I had hair and wasn't constantly dodging harpoons.
- Josh Haley
but seriously, we were pretty damn cute back in the day (of the dinosaurs!)
- Morgan
someone post the UHQ version!!! I need a 4000x4000 copy for my wallpaper!
- Morgan
Wow
- Rodfather
HOT
- Penguin
I'm imagining the word "scamps" was used about the Haley boys quite a lot.
- Spidra Webster
it's ok.
- Morgan
trust me. i want this picture gone too. looking very DORE KEY to say the least.
- Morgan
They see me riding... my Segway. They think I'm too white and nerdy.
- iTad
Why, why would you want it to go away? It is so kewl. It should be a pull-out poster from Dynamite magazine!
- Spidra Webster
Ok, let's make t-shirts!
- Morgan
There are not enough words to describe how awesome this picture is. :D
- aden {Chickadee}
It could be the new 3 Wolf Moon.
- Spidra Webster
So young girls would have to choose between Morgan, Joshua, Jacob or Edward
- Morgan
*faints from teh hotness*
- Yolanda
just wanna do something special for all the ladies in the FFworld ♬
- Jim the Blatant
I Love It!
- Martha
OMG LOVE.
- hollyrae
eheheheh eheheheh eheheh eheh
- a runcible MiniMage
Glen-there's not enough time to go into that.
- Morgan
lol
- VALZ looking @ LB
Awwww. The Haley Haims.
- hollyrae
Collars not popped...yet...
- Josh Haley
Cyber warfare: don't inflate it, don't underestimate it - O'Reilly Radar - http://radar.oreilly.com/2010...
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Not sure what Carr means by enforcing existing requirements for vetting and monitoring hosted servers. How much latitude do the government and ISP's have for that?
- Kevin L
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Attention Tongue Rollers. You've been one upped. Your move. Ok so I cannot roll my tongue, and i'm bitter. lol. - http://meme.yahoo.com/bluesma... (über http://friendfeed.com/michell...) (via http://friendfeed.com/wulffy...)
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I for one can roll my tounge.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Can't help but think she'd be prettier without this.
- Mo Kargas
Definitely a downgrade.
- Rahsheen the Dream
That can't be right
- Peter Kelley
Jeremy, no, it's been around for hundred of years, mainly as a cosmetic function since the late-90's.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
amazing!
- TrafficBug
Simon Curran to Simon's feed, UK photographers, Photography United, Photographers sharing links, photographs,and tips!, Photographing
Do Bluebottles have Jet Engines? Macro shot on Flickr #macro #photography - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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This is perfectly beautiful...nice capture.
- Lindsay Wakelin
Thanks Lindsay..
- Simon Curran
the Asspeaker, sounds from behind - http://audioporncentral.com/2010...
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Ak sound kara sound belli olacak.
- Özer (Wrzl) Dölekoğlu
Sitenin adrese bak!
- M. Serdar Kuzuloglu
Valla hifi manyakları gerçekten pornocu gibidir :)
- Özer (Wrzl) Dölekoğlu
Yumurta niyetine omlet yaparım bunlarla :p
- izmirdenbirisi
lmao - you have to tap the main unit to turn it on.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Who are these people that get all defensive about Microsoft? Is there a group of Microsoft fanboys out there somewhere watching for negative remarks so that they can leave angry comments? I've seen this on other blogs too. Why do they care so much?
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probably stockholders.
- Mike Nencetti
It's amazing what you can do with Mechanical Turk :-)
- Todd Hoff
I tend to find Microsoft largely irrelevant in many areas of my life. I have one Windows machine, with o Microsoft software except windows itself. The rest are all Linux.
- Ian May
I don't doubt that Microsoft is still huge, I just don't think they are changing the world anymore in the way that Google or Apple are.
- Paul Buchheit
O really? Who are the journalists/bloggers who feel that writing MS-bashing posts for their own sake counts as useful output? Every year hordes of pundits pronounce MS irrelevant, only to be proven wrong the next year. The people who reply to those threads are those who are active users of MS products and find them the best fit for their needs. That includes me. I don't think every MS...
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- LANjackal
LANjackal. If I'm asked, I don't so much bash Microsoft, but point people to other options such as OpenOffice and Linux, if it's suitable for them. Many people use MS products simply because they know of no alternatives.
- Ian May
LANjackal, I don't think anyone disputes that Microsoft will keep producing Windows and Office, but that doesn't count as changing the world. If they introduced something on the scale of the iPhone (in terms of new product with market impact), that would count.
- Paul Buchheit
There are Microsoft fanboys? I must always just see the Apple and Linux fanboys.
- Rob H.
There's a difference between pointing to alternatives and calling a company irrelevant. MS is the only company that can do an end-to-end drop in solution that includes a private cloud, collaboration (Sharepoint), supercomputing, servers, etc. They're the GE of the tech world. Sure, GE doesn't make exciting headlines ... but anyone who says they "don't matter" is simply insane. Ditto MS. Relevancy and making headlines are NOT the same thing.
- LANjackal
from IM
The computers in my house are all running Windows. The computers at my workplace are also. Nearly all the customer art we get is produced on the customers's Windows computers. Microsoft seems pretty important to my life. It helps put the bread on the table, it doesn't need to be doing anything new. If Google and Apple both went down the tubes what would the consequences be? People would...
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- Sue - Friendfeed is best
So is the answer that these are Microsoft developers who feel slighted by the notion that Microsoft is irrelevant?
- Paul Buchheit
LANjackal, my question is why they have such strong feelings, not why do they disagree with me.
- Paul Buchheit
Microsoft isn't changing the world? Have you used a 360 at all?
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
It would probably be reasonable to say that Microsoft has considerable influence - but isn't really at the forefront of most web-based tech anymore. But I know a few Wintards here in Seattle and they're not a pretty bunch (*ZING*) (I would probably count as a "Googtard" for the record)
- Jeffrey Canton
I think you need to qualify how MS is irrelevant. Because I don't see it either.
- Gabe
Probably because we don't like people calling a good company whose products we rely on daily for serious stuff being called irrelevant? Don't you think some people out there might find that offensive? What if you had a BMW and I said BMW as a company was useless? Isn't there a slight chance you might be riled by that?
- LANjackal
from IM
No, I would not be offended LANjackal. I think it's fair to say that the American car companies are irrelevant for example, which is unfortunate. My possibly unfair definition of relevance is that they are driving change in the market. Continuing to produce the same thing you've been making for 10 or more years doesn't count.
- Paul Buchheit
If Surface ever becomes a real product that real people use that would count as relevance Danny, but my prediction is that it won't. You may be right about the Xbox -- I don't know anything about games.
- Paul Buchheit
I think its crazy to get offended for a publicly traded company, or any other non-human entity, though.
- Jeffrey Canton
Yeah, it's the offense part that amuses me. Disagreement is totally reasonable :)
- Paul Buchheit
As an end user I mostly can't justify the price of MS products when I can use something else that is free, as in the case of Office. OpenOffice does what I need; reads/writes the MS formats, and isn't a few hundred bucks to buy. For email, I use Gmail, and Google Calender, on my ALL my computers (regardless of OS), and on my Blackberry too. No need to sync anything as it's all in the cloud.
- Ian May
So yes, I would miss Google if they disappeared overnight, but I wouldn't miss Microsoft.
- Ian May
Paul, then you must get really amused by Apple fanboys. I know I do.
- jbrotherlove
Paul: your definition of relevance is wrong. Period. By that definition only a handful of tech companies would be "relevant" despite the fact that many others supply major components that the handful rely on. I guess Cisco doesn't matter then, right? If they and their products vanished tomorrow we'd all be OK. Everyone in agreement? #sarcasm
- LANjackal
I guess I just haven't upset the Apple fanboys yet. Apple sucks.
- Paul Buchheit
I do think that Microsoft is doing new and innovative things. In some cases they just haven't done a great job of bringing them to market and executing (Surface, for example) but in others you just don't see it as you aren't part of the Microsoft world. For example, LINQ is very very cool but unless you use C# (talking to MS SQL server in ASP.net/IIS via Visual Studio) you probably just...
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- Joe Beda
LANjackal, which successful companies _are_ irrelevant? I'm getting at a factor that is different from success, because if all I wanted to talk about was profits or market cap, that's what I would reference. However, there is an independent factor which is essentially "market influence", and it's undeniable that some companies have more than others.
- Paul Buchheit
That's a fair point Joe, and I think the fact that there is this growing non-microsoft world is part of what drives their "irrelevance". It would be really cool if they opened up C# and .Net, because by most accounts it's very nice (much better than Java), but nobody outside of the Microsoft ecosystem even considers it.
- Paul Buchheit
I'd agree with that. I think that Microsoft is stuck into a classic innovator's dilemma. They are optimizing for their ecosystem and world and missing the fact that the world is shifting. However, I don't think the world is shifting as much (yet) as it appears from the perspective of the valley. In the hearts and minds of the average enterprise developer Microsoft is the only game in town.
- Joe Beda
I think Microsoft advocates in general have less experience with non-MS systems than non-MS-centric tech types have with MS systems. If you don't know much about the alternatives to MS and if your income is tied to your tech knowledge - you probably should get busy and start up reading up about the things you don't know about. But it's a lot easier to just stick your head in the sand. That sounds a bit harsh. But I think it's accurate.
- Douglas
BTW -- C# is pretty open -- there is the spec and Mono. But it is largely still born as no one trusts Microsoft and there is very little cross pollination across these worlds.
- Joe Beda
Yeah, I'm not going to use the second-class version of it (Mono) and apparently neither is anyone else.
- Paul Buchheit
Douglas: I have plenty of experience with non-MS systems, but aside from embedded systems I find them largely irrelevant.
- Gabe
Gabe: Please explain
- Douglas
I think ignorance of the other side cuts both ways. There are plenty of unix nerds that have no idea how *awesome* the Visual Studio development environment can be. There is a lot going on there -- some of it is much better than what is going on in the Unix/Mac world. But mostly it is just different.
- Joe Beda
I do resent the comment that Mono is a 'second-class version' of .NET. We have some benefits over .NET, for instance, we are open source, and just like Linux was one day a second-class version of Unix, the day for Mono will come. For instance, anyone interested in .NET development on Mac, Linux, the iPhone, Android, the PS3 or the Wii have today only one option: Mono. If your business...
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- Miguel
Sorry Miguel. I'm sure Mono is really great, but I bet Microsoft's version is better.
- Paul Buchheit
Microsoft's version is better in many ways, and Mono's is better in many ways. We have no WPF, partial WCF and no WF, only now we are getting a copying/generational GC; But we have xplat GUI toolkits, an embeddable C# compiler, a C# REPL, SIMD extensions for AMD64 and X86, 64-bit arrays, full UNIX APIs, static compilation, we work on more platforms and much more. My point is: Mono is not your enemy, Mono is your ally. Use it when it makes sense as another tool in the box.
- Miguel
An example: several years ago I was working with a group of programmers on a project that was to be done in .Net. I suggested we use JQuery, which was pretty mainstream by then. No one else on the team had heard of it and one programmer even said "why would I want to use anything that didn't come from Microsoft?" A few months later Microsoft included JQuery in Visual Studio. It's not fun trying to get things done around that sort of attitude.
- Douglas
Douglas: I've used and supported Macs since System 6 and various Unix systems since the mid-90's, and I don't see what the big deal is. It's not like there's anything I can do on those systems that I can't do on Windows.
- Gabe
Microsoft is just another American software company, and I feel is unfairly targeted at for things like bundling IE with Windows, etc. Of course you get ketchup with a pizza. If you dont like the ketchup, use some other ketchup. Oracle brings with it Java. Did anybody complain?
- TrafficBug
Paul, I agree with Miguel. I don't see why MS having a better version is reason to disregard Mono. If I were writing Linux apps, I would choose Mono in a second.
- Gabe
Ketchup with a pizza?
- Sue - Friendfeed is best
Gabe: what about rsync, ssh, vim, grep, sed, perl, readline, etc... of course, you can install windows-equivalents of most of those but it's a bit of a pain and they never seem to work quite right. If you just want to pull bits of data out of a giant file on a Windows machine on a network you can still do it but you may have to drag folders around and write a DTS package to load it into SQL Server... I'm sure you're an exception but the average Windows-only person has no concept of the unix way to do that.
- Douglas
Mono definitely isn't my enemy Miguel. Things like garbage collection are very tricky though, and I'd be surprised if you are able to keep up with Microsoft's version, I certainly hope you do though (especially after reading things like http://news.ycombinator.com/item...). Gabe, I simply called it "second class", which seems accurate if Microsoft's version is better.
- Paul Buchheit
my fear with Mono is that, despite it being really cool, I don't trust Microsoft to keep a genuine commitment to open-source software. Unfair? Probably to Mono ... but Microsoft has kind of earned that over the years (wrt open-source software) Having said that, I should investigate Mono more, the brief exposure I had to it a few years ago was really positive.
- Jeffrey Canton
BTW, what are the latest performance comparison numbers among the JVM, Mono, and CLR? A quick google didn't turn up anything credible looking.
- Paul Buchheit
Right, doing a copying/generational/multithreaded debugger is hard. But .NET is not the competition in this case, Java is. Java having multiple implementations for research and production has been the platform where new GC technologies and ideas have been tested out in recent years. We can only hope that Mono's open source nature will lead to new ideas and innovations being tried out with .NET beyond the walls of Redmond (which has been the case in other areas).
- Miguel
I worked at a Fortune 500 and there were a lot of fanboys here. The problem is folks invest in an MCSE or some sort of cert. It made them invested in Microsoft technology no matter how bad it was. Billable for Microsoft technology almost always cost double from what I could get from Open Source.
- barce
I would put it on par with Linux fanboys, Apple fanboys, Google fanboys, open source fan boys, Nintendo fanboys, Playstation fanboys, laserdisc fanboys, Betamax fanboys, Datsun fanboys; in essence, only the ones you disagree will you will rub you the wrong way.
- Eric - Feed of Dreams
But I also said that Linux was hopeless on the desktop and nobody showed up to insult me :)
- Paul Buchheit
I'm not saying your wrong, just saying fanboys are fanboys and will argue to silliness about something like this. Don't look for rational thought from these kind of people.
- Eric - Feed of Dreams
Yeah, I understand Eric. I'm just curious what motivates them. My suspicion is that the Linux fanboys are different from the Microsoft ones though. With Linux it's probably driven by a religious devotion whereas the Microsoft ones feel a threat to their livelihood perhaps.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, the only reason no one comment on your "Linux was hopeless on the desktop" statement is because at the bottom of our hearts we do not really want "our" OS to become mainstream ;-)
- Tzury Bar Yochay
I think if your list showed on slashdot or Digg, you might get a few comments about Linux on the desktop, where stories about "I setup Linux for my grandma and she loves it" live.
- Eric - Feed of Dreams
Have you tried Ubuntu lately? It's pretty cool. I find myself using my Ubuntu desktop machine more than my Mac laptop sometimes, completely unconscious preference. I understand that some of the other distros are also very nice; I just haven't gotten around to trying them. Of course if I were an Ubuntu fanboy I wouldn't say that :)
- Douglas
It's already becoming mainstream Tzury -- it's just going by the name "Android". I wouldn't be surprised if it surpasses Windows installs in fact (once every cheapo phone in the world has Android on it).
- Paul Buchheit
Nothing really comparing all 3 on the same conditions/platforms. But there are various mixed tests that you can use to extrapolate results.
- Miguel
I have Ubuntu in a vm Douglas. It has the same stupid problems that have always plagued Linux -- things never quite work right.
- Paul Buchheit
In case it's not clear by now, I'm happy to make fun of all platforms :)
- Paul Buchheit
It is well deserved by all!
- Eric - Feed of Dreams
Paul: Cool. I suspect that's what separates the angry fanboys from the not(angry fanboys).
- Douglas
a concrete wall with barbed-wire at the top might be nice too, though.
- Douglas
People just do get it do they? how sad this guy Derek must be inside... pathetic! geesh
- Susan Beebe
Douglas: All those things are available on any platform I care to use. All are generally fairly easy to use on Windows if you want the precompiled binary, which is similar to other platforms -- on Linux it's hard to install something that isn't in a repository and on OSX it's hard to install something that isn't drag-n-drop installable. Of course, I also have no use for grep, sed, and...
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- Gabe
Paul - I think irrelevance comes down to what space you're talking - In an MS enterprise shop they're not. For those MSIEs, or even for the guy running a small computer repair shop, MS is their life blood, their livelihood depends on MS so they get rather rabid.If you're talking the web or consumer electronics space, they are somewhat irrelevant, or have been. At least haven't been...
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- PXLated
As a ceritfied MCSE: Security & Messaging, plus having installed, deployed and supported LOTS of servers and systems throughout the US to multiple customers in a wide variety of industries, I can assure you that most Microsoft "fanboys" are really scared. I invested a ton of money, time and energy back in the day with M$ and now I sit here with 7 levels of irrelevant technical...
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- Susan Beebe
Sadly, I've watched M$ go from relevant to pathetic. To their credit, Windows 7 is fantastic. Yet, I solely rely on cloud apps for my work. I hate MS Office - too clunky and old. M$ lost their mojo and i don't think it's coming back. So bottom line, folks that get all upset over that news are in denial.
- Susan Beebe
Jeffrey Canton, would you trust that Microsoft could keep a genuine commitment to open-source software if Microsoft themselves committed to releasing a portable run-time for .NET rather than relegating this task to Mono and Mono developers. Microsoft, with all their capital (both financial and mindshare), is in the best position to create and maintain a fully cross-platform portable runtime, yet they don't.
- Andy Bakun
That's my feeling Andy. If Microsoft really wanted it, they could make it happen and it would probably be awesome.
- Paul Buchheit
And that's my issue with Mono: its very existence shows that Microsoft doesn't really care and was only throwing the open source community a bone by _allowing_ it to exist. I'm sure there are people at Microsoft that work closely with Mono developers (like Miguel has claimed in the past, I have no reason to doubt him), but .NET on anything other than Windows doesn't really fit into Microsoft The Corporation's plans.
- Andy Bakun
Susan, are you Redhat (or other) certified also? I'm curious as to how someone who is certified with both MCSE and Linux view and value the knowledge they provide. I have heard that RH certifications are more long-term useful, but MCSE are so focused on specific products that they encourage an ecosystem of requiring more/additional certification as time goes on. I've seen the RHCE, and...
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- Andy Bakun
MS does some pretty cool tech demo videos (eg, surface). Maybe that makes them this decade's Xerox? Cool tech, but unable to deliver.
- Nick Lothian
No I am not RHCE certified, but I sure wish I had pursued RHCE as much as I did my MCSE in 2006. I considered doing both, in retrospect, I should have. Both certs are well respected, but anything M$ is starting to be laughed at, sadly :( MCSE is very niche, yet it does also required strong networking and infrastructure knowledge. During my tests I was doing subnetting in my head, that's not product specific. (actually I used my hands - 8 fingers for octet counting!)
- Susan Beebe
Surface is amazing, really awesome. I need to upload my iPhone video of that, thanks for the reminder :)
- Susan Beebe
Gaping Void comic strip -- very apropro -- http://www.gapingvoid.com/microso...
- Susan Beebe
@Andy - that's exactly the issue for me wrt Mono. They ultimately need people to buy Windows and Office, they're 2 main profit-engines - moving into the cloud the way Google wants to move (and the way things seem to be heading) undoes their momentum in the shrink-wrapped, downloadable software business and I can't see them undercutting that anytime soon. My guess has always been that...
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- Jeffrey Canton
@Nick - yeah, I was thinking IBM, but Xerox definitely works too :-)
- Jeffrey Canton
I don't think that Microsoft opening any product (like .NET completely etc) will help them get respect from those that wouldn't use anything by Microsoft, anyway. Usually it goes like this: "1) Microsoft should open product/format X!1" **Microsoft makes X open, maybe even a standard**, "2) The specifications suck! They need more details!" **Microsoft revises specs, provides more...
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- Jemm
I am a software developer on the Microsoft platform. I've been working on the MS platform (DOS, Windows) for over 20 years. And yes, I do defend Microsoft in forums, because I find that many criticisms are exagerated or come from irrational hate and not from reason.
- Dan Armano
I've seen a lot of this coming from Apple people - I'm sure it cuts both ways. (Personally, I don't care because neither company sends me any checks or anything.)
- Ciaoenrico
Is Microsoft really so thin skinned that they need respect from people who don't want to use their products? It's not about gaining respect, it's about following through on your claims.
- Andy Bakun
@Andy: "respect" was perhaps wrong choice of words by me. The point was that those demanding "openness" wouldn't switch anyway - no matter what Microsoft did or promised. I personally don't care whether something is completely open or a black box, as long there is a good way to integrate through a decent API through standard interfaces (SOAP, REST whatever).
- Jemm
Then why does Microsoft do or promise anything? It has to obvious to them too that these people won't switch, so why bother catering to them?
- Andy Bakun
@Andy: I've been wondering the same. Maybe there are some major audiences (like governments) that require at least some effort or because "opennes" looks good on paper.
- Jemm
never underestimate stupidity
- Nico Granelli
This is a good and relevant question. I look forward to a Paul Buchheit blog post about the dynamics of people becoming emotionally attached to software/services/platforms.
- Bruce Lewis
If you make such a blog post, it would be an interesting read, I guess you can let us know as I for one can read it...
- TrafficBug
Has fairness and balance become irrelevant? Our national news media has chosen hype over reality in their efforts to attract views. Perhaps Mr. Buchheit has made the same choice in his effort attract readers. I'm an Apple fanboy, but I haven't lost my grip on reality. I agree with the observations of LANjackal as to Microsoft's relevance. The vitriol here is beyond the bounds of rational discussion. Perhaps that's the nature of the internet. Sadly, it's becoming the nature of our culture.
- Jimmy Walker
In fairness to msft fanboys, it's the Java fanboys that are most easily angered. Maybe the pollution from all their FactoryFactories is causing brain damage? ;)
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All this "debate" is putting me in a trollish mood :)
- Paul Buchheit
GO PHP! *dodges missiles*
- Mo Kargas
Yeah, I had no idea how awesome PHP really is!
- Paul Buchheit
PERL is pretty simple
- ◄ani625Ξ ಠ_ಠ
Sadly, I am not smart enough for PERL.
- Paul Buchheit
What!?
- Zachary Poley
It's Perl, not PERL ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Just kidding. I dove into the fray looking for a nice soft pine tree.
- Zachary Poley
Like I said, I'm not that smart, but didn't it at least start as an acronym?
- Paul Buchheit
Not 'not', but 'also' http://www.cs.cmu.edu/cgi-bin...
- ◄ani625Ξ ಠ_ಠ
{$I}->cant_believe($paul_buchheit, {%could_be={($scared-$off)=>by, perl=>line_noise}});
- Douglas
that doesn't actually parse
- Douglas
Paul, yeah - any way of casing it is correct, depending on who you ask and what time period. I was mostly joking. Some say it stands for Practical Extraction and Reporting Language, Larry Wall jokes it stands for Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister. It actually started out being spelled "Pearl" after the Parable of the Pearl in the Gospel of Matthew.
- Jesse Stay
FWIW I'm not smart enough to know Python. :-)
- Jesse Stay
"Perl looks like line noise to the uninitiated, but to the seasoned Perl programmer, it looks like checksummed line noise with a mission in life."
- ◄ani625Ξ ಠ_ಠ
Python is for perl programmers who get bigger monitors.
- Douglas
Paul, if you ever do decide to check out Perl you'll appreciate Mark Jason Dominus's "Higher Order Perl" - if you like Lisp, it will give you a new perspective on Perl.
- Jesse Stay
ani, indeed! It's poetic to me - somewhat peaceful in many ways. It's like a canvas with many different types of brushes and colors.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse - yes! That's a brilliant book. You can actually write very lisp-ish or java-ish in perl, if you like.
- Douglas
Jesse - Once you're able to see the Matrix..
- ◄ani625Ξ ಠ_ಠ
and you can use perl without a prescription.
- Douglas
Perl's testing libraries are also superior to many other tools I've seen
- Jesse Stay
And then there's cpan.
- Douglas
Douglas, definitely. Re: testing, everyone must read (Perl programmer or not) "Perl Testing: A Developer's Notebook" - Perl testing libs work with more than just Perl!
- Jesse Stay
Now wait a minute, why are talking Perl here?
- ◄ani625Ξ ಠ_ಠ
ani, because you brought it up ;-)
- Jesse Stay
-_-
- ◄ani625Ξ ಠ_ಠ
I've never read that. Will look for it. We sound like perl fanboys. I'm going to say something nice about Javascript... Javascript is neat.
- Douglas
Douglas, Javascript works with Perl! ;-) (I *am* a Perl fanboy!)
- Jesse Stay
SpiderMonkey!
- ◄ani625Ξ ಠ_ಠ
Okay, fine - Javascript. Favorite JS Scripting Framework?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse - Of course! IIS? Back to MSFT
- ◄ani625Ξ ಠ_ಠ
ani, I remember the days when I really thought that PerlScript was going to replace JavaScript some day
- Jesse Stay
SpiderMonkey is great! It's fast! Well, it did just crash my Firefox. But to be fair to the Mozillans, I am running a beta version.
- Douglas
Jesse - well, thare was really a chance at THAT time. Anyway - jQuery.
- ◄ani625Ξ ಠ_ಠ
ani, jQuery here as well - I love it for the community and simplicity (and the "$" sign!)
- Jesse Stay
Paul: When I read your post and the comments about Java GC issues, I got to say that I felt that you probably are basing that off your age old experience but not anything recent. I have been in the Java field for a while now, I have seen all sorts of issues with thousands of customers who use our software but last I saw a GC issue I cannot remember (not saying they are not there but its not like you are portraying).
- Kiran Patchigolla
Pine Is Not Elm. That is all.
- Louis Gray
Pine FTW!
- Jesse Stay
I used to use nothing else, Redhat 3 or 4 I think
- Jesse Stay
It was that time I invested about $500 into RHAT and quintupled my money in just under a year :-)
- Jesse Stay
Python is for Perl coders who like coming back to their code in a year and being able to understand it. (but in all fairness I have written just as much Perl code as I have Python)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Louis - It IS e-mail though :)
- ◄ani625Ξ ಠ_ಠ
Jesse, jQuery $(fanboy).is() right here :)
- Micah
Prototype, mootools also pretty popular
- ◄ani625Ξ ಠ_ಠ
Micah, wouldn't that be $(this).fanboy.is("here")?
- Jesse Stay
I recently read some of my old perl from the late '90s and I hope no one EVER understands that stuff. I would be very embarrassed.
- Douglas
Or, if you want it prettier: jQuery(this).fanboy.is("here")
- Jesse Stay
I should probably look into this javascript language - I hear the web is becoming really hot next year.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Dude! heard Rocketmail is cool..
- ◄ani625Ξ ಠ_ಠ
I shouldn't think anyone would ever want to send mail on a computer.
- Douglas
Those blasphemers
- ◄ani625Ξ ಠ_ಠ
Coming to python.. Django anyone?
- ◄ani625Ξ ಠ_ಠ
All joking aside, can somebody explain why Java has FactoryFactories? And why other languages don't?
- Gabe
People writing in Java are paid by the syllable?
- Douglas
The last time I saw "FactoryFactories" was when I was doing OLE coding in the Windows world - it drove me *crazy* with all of the abstraction for the sake of abstraction layers. If Java has it then I am again glad that I've never looked seriously at the language.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
probably in accordance with the cuil theory..
- ◄ani625Ξ ಠ_ಠ
Ok... serious but poorly-thought-out and probably wrong answer. I think it's because it's awkward to implement closures in Java. I don't think anonymous inner classes were even possible before Java 2 and so the whole factoryfactoryfactory... idiom became popular because it's sort of a way around that.
- Douglas
They should have called it factoryschmactory so as to prevent semantic satiation.
- Douglas
Douglas, you may be right about that. I've always thought the vast framework mechanisms were all just to get around not having function pointers (or closures, or delegates, or whatever you want to call them).
- Gabe
I think it's rather that there''s just so many more Java or MSFT users. Typically, it's minorities who are more super sensitive to criticism vs the mainstream, but there's so many Java/MSFT users, if you insult them, someone is likely to see it. Python users are so busy making sure their whitespace is correct that they almost never see any insult. Ruby users too are busy trying to...
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- Ray Cromwell
I think it's not so much Ruby as it is Rails that's tricky to scale. But I might have scoffed at PHP too, once. That would be in the pre-Facebook and pre-Wikipedia days.
- Douglas
@Jesse I have a coworker who is one of those mysterious perl monks - he's been recommending "Higher Order Perl" for a while too. Not to put too fine a point on it, but java is the suburban blight of programming languages. ;-) I do keep meaning to take a better look at Python as well
- Jeffrey Canton
Ah, but if Java is the suburban blight, then slow scripting languages are the hulking bloated SUVs of the programming world, like SUVs, they take advancements in engine power (CPU perf/watt), and use it to drag extra weight around. :) Java is like a guy driving a Prius to the suburbs, Ruby is like a guy driving a a Hummer around Manhattan. :)
- Ray Cromwell
Haha, Nice! :-) In all fairness, my comment was about java's ridiculously verbose syntax and comes after using it at work for 5 or 6 years. No prius there, its all earth-hating Hummer powered by leaded gas and puppies! I do like some of the synchronization and garbage-collection tech. in Java though.
- Jeffrey Canton
from Android
True, but you pay the penalty at edit/compile time, the end users don't pay it. If you were buying a car and GM told you "well, the fuel efficiency sucks, but our engineers had fun making the car", it wouldn't be a very persuasive argument. This is really most relevant in mobile where battery life is severely impacted by inefficiencies. Sure, I could develop a game much faster in JS...
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- Ray Cromwell
Don't forget, Ray, that by developing the game faster, the users actually get to play it!
- Gabe
Don't forget, Gabe, that by making it not suck, users might actually *want* to play it :)
- Joel Webber
More seriously, here's the real blight on software development: People who get their panties in a wad over programming languages. You know what? Your favorite programming language sucks. Mine would too, if I had one. All that really matters is getting something good built -- results, not how you got there. I'm using Java and Javascript right now because they're the right tools for the...
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- Joel Webber
Oh, and the real reason everyone hates on Java specifically? Because there is a huge horde of people writing shitty Java code, and unfortunately some of them have been responsible for monstrosities like EJB, that should be taken out behind the shed and shot.
- Joel Webber
Joel: Do you mean that monstrosities like EJB should be taken out back and shot, or that those responsible for them should be taken out back and shot? Either way, you're probably right.
- Gabe
PostgreSQL is a good database, but it's fanboys are the most arrogant, insufferable people.
- Andy Dustman
I think there's a breaking point where all frameworks evolve to the breaking point, kinda like the Peter Principle, but for languages. Invariably, a successful community keeps adding more and more until complexity becomes unmanageable, and then it simplifies again. People initially get excited by small, coherent languages/libraries, then they get mainstreamed, upsized, and people start using them for everything, eventually they become bloated.
- Ray Cromwell
@Gabe: I was referring to the libraries themselves, but both sound good to me :)
- Joel Webber
Your favourite band sucks.
- Nelson Minar
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