"It's not what he's saying that's so funny but his imitation of Christian Bale as Batman that made me laugh. It's a lot more funny if you watch the entire episode, as "Batman" makes quite a few appearances. And FilmRiot is a great show."
- Adam Nieto
I love when Leo gets guests that are so intellectual.
- Jim Lavin
I'm all on the side of new media, but my local paper in Arkansas, which was a terrible paper even before the internet, they began life on the internet by charging (only 4.95 a month) and now they are selling more papers than they were 10 years ago. All of these papers should have done the same thing, and charged from the beginning, but now they can't go back. I'm just saying my paper did the opposite of what Web 2.0 preaches and they are successful because of it. Just a contrarian example
- Stephen Pickering
A 10th grade student of mine asked me, "How come they call it news if it is printed yesterday?"
- Erik Weese
Leo, looks like Jake just turned into Dr. Manhattan
- Matthew
I'll be so glad when newspapers finish completely going digital. I've always HATED the giant newspaper form factor.
- Thunderwing
from twhirl
I love that type of evening entertainment, so much better than German TV.
- David Schmidt
Is it possible have a local blog say The Petaloma Blog with ad's and donate incomes then take the best storys and publish a low cost paper each week localy with ad's for income
- Michael Mooney
My daughter never watches TV any more she does everything via the Internet. I can remember that watching TV or listening to the radio to get the news.
- Jim Lavin
This will be like watching a great focus group ..with Don Tapscott able to drill down into what Jake and his peers think and do
- Joe Magennis
There is right-wing and then there is 'RIGHT-WING'... same on the left...
- Johnny
And those all caps folks are often the most closed minded of all. :/
- c.a.j.
A friendfeed style service could become the way you get crowed sourced live news
- Michael Mooney
But also too, sometimes 'the other side' doesn't need coverage. Equality doesn't always equal time when one side is just plain wrong
- Johnny
As a High School teacher, I worry that these students will become consumers rather than producers. I feel that is apart of my role as a teacher.
- Erik Weese
Privacy is more important than ever. We should be paying more attention since we have the tools to be more selective about how private we are.
- c.a.j.
there seems to be more right than left on TV, imo.
- Matthew
Live is the new .net, Microsoft marketing get a name in their heads and slap it on every product that comes out whether it is appropriate or not (mostly not).
- Ghworg
Realtime only works when you trust your network of people
- Johnny
Google needs to hire some UI designers though. Like a lot of Google's products work well, but don't have the greatest user interface. They should hire someone from Apple!!
- Devon Govett
The great position that Wave has is that the people that are going to use it are smart and willing to mold their workflow around it. Implementing sharepoint is a battle cause in most Businesses, your biggest pain point is resistance to change.
- Marc Landry
Leo needs to throw the Russian accent in there somewhere though...
- Johnny
Until we can break the cycle of having to check every box to get a job, children will be doomed to learn the test in order to get a head in life.
- Jim Lavin
I think that we are on the cusp of the destruction of traditional education. You would seek out the knowledge you need for day to day life.
- Jim Lavin
when the digital education environment comes of age the computers can silently find the test scores from the students work and class room interactions leaving teachers to teach
- Michael Mooney
Read something a week that you don't know anything about...
- Johnny
That comment about Lectures sounded very Davoracian
- eric graeser
Jim Lavin is right, teaching creativity doesn't get you a job. It helps you *do* a job but doesn't get you the job.
- Ghworg
I agree once we can write the apps that can determine a child's intellectl Then education will truly change.
- Jim Lavin
say if you had leo give the class to all the schools via a live feed then have a teacher in each class give 1-on-1 to kids that need extra help then the software environment the kid's interact with (+ teacher input about each kid.) wil process the input fully customizing the lessons for each kid
- Michael Mooney
One of the reasons for the requirements for liberal arts degree is because high school has failed to teach students to read and write and think critically. Partly because of the standardized tests.
- Erik Weese
Choosing by the results of operations results in patients with difficult to operate on conditions being discriminated against.
- Ghworg
Everthing I ever needed to know came from a reference guide or the manual..
- Jim Lavin
wow googe gets it's own show? Guess I should be thankful it's not a twitter show
- BryanSchuetz
Yes, thank God not another Twitter snow.
- Jim Lavin
Quoting don Tapscott - Hey, here's some content - it's a meatloaf.
- Steve Burgess
I posted a tweet that said I was going to give a presentation about web 2.0, I got a replay from a teenager saying you teach web 2.0? I replied "yes for 30+ year old people. His replay "Good luck".
- John Durham
I'm exactly what they are talking about. I am going to college full time, but on the other hand I am trying to keep up with my game company growing, and having to go through traditional education is severely hindering me.
- Kevin
Kevin try to work the games around college start small like xbox live community games, smart phone games and/or google wave games - if it can't work on a phone or Nintendo ds save the idea for later when you are out of college
- Michael Mooney
"Web In Progress" may work as a Show title
- Michael Mooney
Great TWiT, but a much better aftershow.
- Mister IQ
from twhirl
LEO: I really enjoyed this episode and the sort of "big picture" look at technology and culture. It made me think of an idea for a TWiT show. What if you created some sort of Digg-esque page on twit.tv. There, people could submit specific big picture topic ideas and the twit army would vote on the topic they were most interested in. Then every month, or whatever frequency you selected,...
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- Mike Bracco
So 18 min into this netcast, leo says that he avoid hard right wing sources because he's left leaning (being polite). So - taking Leo's actions as example, I should avoid leo's twit content so I don't have to listen to the extreme left wing content on TWIT 197? Thought was helpful to listen to all points, even the ones you think are "way out there". Drink the cool-aid! LOL
- Tony
What Ioved was someone finally brought up how much higher learning is pushed on a person.
- Samuel Lewis
from twhirl
Funny, I just interviewed Don Tapscott to. Great guy.
- Robert Scoble
I'm a relatively moderate person, I was stunned how left leaning this episode was, especially in the utterly unrealistic education discussion. To suggest that we scrap our higher ed system when the rest of the world clamors to come to the states for it is just silly. Education is changing because of tech, and being an educational technologist by trade I see it every day. I would suggest that everyone take another look inside a modern classroom, as it's quite a bit different now than just 5 or 10 years ago.
- Ryan Massie
Who the hell is Don Tapscott and why was he on Twit? I don't normally complain about something I get for free, but this guy made this show difficult to listen to...I'm not sure what, exactly, it was, but he seemed really out of place. Gina, on the other hand, was great.
- George Gray
George: ever hear of Google? Don has written 13 books, including one called "Wikinomics" that is a best seller. He's very smart and, while he's a little hard to follow in places, does research on how people use the Internet, especially the younger generation (he also wrote a book called "Growing up Digital" and he has lots of facts to back up his claims, unlike a lot of other people I talk with.
- Robert Scoble
George: Totally disagree, his insightful comments about the changes needed in education and the old 'push' and new collaborate models hit the bulls-eye
- Mel Buckpitt
However, he is not up on current happenings. Before the show Leo said they would be talking about Googles big announcement, and he said "what big announcement was that?" He had no idea about Wave. Shouldn't be on THIS WEEK in tech. Emphasis on THIS WEEK.
- David Lloyd
Mark: that's a good point. Not everyone watches Techmeme and friendfeed like many of us do. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: thanks...I had actually heard of Growing up Digital and Wikinomics, just did not put them together with him. I think Leo even talked about them at them at the start of Twit. I'm sure he's a smart guy, he, to me, just seemed out of place on Twit. I will have to listen again, maybe I was the one who was out of place.
- George Gray
We are an odd bunch of people really, we give a shit about all this stuff years before it enters the fringes, and years more before it goes mainstream :p
- David Lloyd
This was a great episode. I especially liked the teens perspective.
- Dave
I just got a chance to listen to the episode, check out here how one teacher is using Twitter in a college classroom - http://digg.com/d1sizk
- Patrick Black
It's too bad more people (in my circle of friends) don't use friendfeed. Then again, they don't use Twitter either. Everyone is on Facebook tho :-/
- Doug Jones
I DO agree with you there Leo Laporte.. me either.. and the new Seesmic Desktop client didn't help either.. friendfeed ftw
- @LarsenTweet
I haven't visited Twitter since I figured out how to post via IRC.
- Pete Brown
My Twitter activity has dropped as well. What's ironic is that I'm hearing about a lot of Twitter issues since the new FF beta... very strange
- Bwana ☠
I'm with you all, the FF realtime feed has almost completely replaced twitter.com for me. Wild
- Jeff Carter
I'd bet the Twitter issues are being caused by all the FriendFeeder's dumping their content back into Twitter through the API. Just a guess though.
- The Griff
mark... yeah add filters ;o) use them. :o) if not following bwana follow him... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
it all updates live time now anyway. :o) but yeah use filters ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I think in a lot of ways Twitter is *too* minimalist. I appreciate at least one level of comment threading that almost every other site supports. Also, sometimes I like to be wordy and don't want to post everything in 160 character chunks.
- Doug Jones
@Rob: I get all interesting posts delivered to Tweetdeck anyway (because ppl crosspost) and always used FF for discussions and not "regular updates".. I'm pretty happy with Facebook, being for close friends, FriendFeed being for discussions and Twitter for everything else (like recently spending time with my friend, the whale) :)
- Daniel van Moll
But Leo, you are a Social Media Butterfly. ;)
- Robert Hafer
@Bwana: That's true! Since FF beta release on monday the "whale-rate" increased significant. Twitter recently disabled the "delete" function for tweets -- maybe to ease server load (see elections 2008, where they did this, too).
- Daniel van Moll
Am learning how to use FF. Pretty good I think :)
- mahjongmi
@Doug: Same here.. But I'm pretty fine with my "real life friends" being on Facebook and everyone else being on the twitters/friendfeed.. especially since the new Tweetdeck made monitoring Twitter and Facebook so easy.
- Daniel van Moll
I wish I could "automatically" have all of my twitter friends' posts show up in ff. I've imported all of my twitter friends who are on ff, into ff, but for those twitter friends who are NOT on ff, is what I'm missing, and forcing me to still watch twitter a bit. Any good solutions to that?
- Dan Nimtz
This is interesting? Will this be the new twitter? I would like some customization too.
- Disney By The Numbers
what i am waiting for Dan.. that way I can stop using twitter full stop :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Hmm maybe I should just invest a little more time into "learning friendfeed" (especially lists). In general it has everything Twitter got plus a better visualization of discussions.. do you all use the website or are there tools like Tweetdeck out yet?
- Daniel van Moll
use the website dan ;o) how can we all not improve it via feedback if we dont use it ;o) these people ACT on feedback ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Figured out how to see non FF Twitter friends on my feed...may not work for protected updates tho.
- The Griff
Griff.. care to share? i got a room with all my twitter replies going to it.. but really want a stream with ALL my twitter in it, so i just reply from here.
- Rob Sellen :o)
Posted it to my feed. Basically just "Create a Feed", make it private if you want. Then add the twitter service pointing to your (unprotected) friends. Can do one feed per friend to make it clearer or one big feed if you want. Still checking whether it'll work for protected friends...thinking it might since you are already signed into Twitter from FF.
- The Griff
The funny thing is that I read this while listening to the Gillmor Gang from last weekend which was all about Friendfeed.
- Michael K Pate
Leo, are you automatically creating imaginary friends for people that are on Twitter but not on FriendFeed? Anyone know of something automated for that?
- Jason Carter
Same here. Now if only FriendFeed had a native iPhone App. But Nambu is pretty good.
- Adam Nieto
thats what I already do griff.. i dont get the whole twitter stream.. ;o(
- Rob Sellen :o)
I did once... to follow someone who was only on twitter. But this place is home now.
- Aaron
Trying out friendfeed for the first time... seems pretty cool
- Danny Dunn
I think I might just make this my home too!
- Kevin J Hatton
Really glad to have you over here Leo. It really is a superior medium.
- Thomas Hawk
Liking the iPhone UI though a native app will be nice. Tweetie sets the bar for Twitter clients let's hope for something similar on the iPhone. But I would like a desktop app too.
- Ken Knight
I'll visit Twitter just to see if people have replied to me in Twitter.
- John E. Bredehoft
Honnestly, I don't understand. You've just "broadcasted" this message, Leo. Where's your contribution to this discussion? Live, real-time or not... where's the difference (to you)?
- directeur
Griff: Not clear on what you're doing and/or getting out of the feed you made. Rob's question seems to still stand? What the goal is: Have all those that you follow on twitter to be feeding in (as FF friends or as invisible friends) to a single feed which would then represent everything that you would see via the twitter web page. Not necessarily real elegant, but less frustrating that fail whales ;)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I've looked at Twitter more since Beta came out than the previous 30 days.
- Jason - The Opaque
Twitter may be a good place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.
- Louis Gray
I was forced there as the corporate firewall blocked out friendfeed :S
- Sanne Buurma
I can't completely cut the cord from the twitters. Way too many friends there that will NEVER use friendfeed.
- Ronald S
I initially had one private feed setup for all of my non-FF Twitter friends. I've switched to having a private feed set per non-FF Twitter friend. Each time a friend posts on Twitter it comes into my FF stream. I can then reply and by checking the box send an @ reply back to Twitter. Hope that answers the question @guruvan. The problem with having the single feed is that people become unidentifiable. I'm sure an enhancement could be made to FF to fix that. Think the 1:1 is better though.
- The Griff
that is really awesome!! FF is kicking ass! woo hoo!
- Susan Beebe
The new FF Ui might very well be the perfect excuse to stop visiting twitter.
- Pedro Fonseca
I have, but I started using FriendFeed more after the UI change
- Cristian
I generally like the new UI but, I have to say, I'm getting burned out on the long comment threads here on FriendFeed. I just don't have time for it and I'm getting better information density on Twitter. Less is more for me.
- Mike Doeff
How about opening up a method in the API to create imaginary friends and let the community build some tools to automate porting friends from other services?
- Brian Stoner
Then why is it all up and down FF, I see posts from you from Twitter, Leo? Am I missing something?
- Steve Austin
So when I see the twitter icon next to one of his posts, that doesn't mean that it was first posted on twitter? I'm not trying to be accusatory or anything, just trying to learn...
- Steve Austin
I second this motion. Tired of recreating friend groups.
- Bryan Griffith
It seems as though most people on Twitter INSIST on posting the very same tweets here, too. So what's the point of reading Twitter again?
- Stan Scott
That is the frustration most have. FF consolidates all feeds for all social sites in one location, so redundancy is inevitable.Now if FF incorporated a service like Ping.fm into the site, and build an app to support all mobile phones and appliances you would never have to go anywhere else! ;)
- Aaron Friedman
My reaction is that FriendFeed does not really add value over Twitter and other silos.
- Scott Royall
That's nothing yet! I haven't ate, drank or slept since the beta came out. I'm gonna sue these FF bastards, mark my words. ;)
- Meryn Stol
Scott: really? You clearly have NOT looked very deeply.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter never got me, or i never really "got" twitter. I'm much happier here on FF, not really because its real time, but because i find the content and conversations much more interesting.
- Lasse Johnsen
Oh and i actually FIND the content and conversations here.
- Lasse Johnsen
I have said it before and I'll say it again: How much can you really say in 140 characters anyway?
- Meryn Stol
Are you serious? The best part is the simplicity of threading on tweets, and watching quality content in your network rise to the top.
- Kevin Elliott
I'm unimpresed. Think about it. You have to have an account on every service you want to aggregate. Each of those accounts has to be maintained. If you don't have those sources, you have a very dull FF account.
- Scott Royall
Scott, you can participate on FF without using any external services. Just comment, and post messages (and links) yourself. It's very much like Twitter then. Only way better UI. A UI which is impossible to duplicate on the Twitter platform atm.
- Meryn Stol
You want imaginary accounts that generates imaginary content? Thats totally Web 5.0!
- Lasse Johnsen
Yeah? :-) Good for you :-). I was enjoying your episode on the xserve today.
- Richard A.
What is the goal of Social Networking? To provide a way to interact with people who interest us, right? So why do we keep re-inventing it? Each time we do, we have to rebuild our commnities.
- Scott Royall
Scott: because we keep figuring out new things to do with it. Yelp is a social network for restaurant reviews. Upcoming.org is a social network for events. Friendfeed is needed because Twitter doesn't do enough. I'm sure there'll be others that will come along that will compete with friendfeed, too.
- Robert Scoble
My take: Something like FF ends up accidentally doing the opposite of what it intends by creating yet another refuge for discerning users to flee to.
- Scott Royall
Scott: ff is doing something other social networks have proven incapable of doing so far. First, it's live. Second, it has filtering that Twitter will never be able to match (Twitter doesn't have the metadata that friendfeed has). Third, friendfeed has a much better conversation surface than Twitter does (or facebook). Fourth, friendfeed's rooms (er, feeds) are a place where you can do private business much better than on any other network. Fifth, friendfeed's direct messaging features actually work.
- Robert Scoble
Finally, I just saw my fifth fail whale of the day over on Twitter. Friendfeed hasn't failed for me EVER (it was down for an hour quite a few months ago but is 100 times more reliable than Twitter and faster than Facebook).
- Robert Scoble
Paul: yup, there's a lot of things that Twitter does that friendfeed doesn't. It's why I stay on both too.
- Robert Scoble
Paul, you can receive FF updates via IM, would that be a viable option?
- FFing Enigma
Yes Robert, you duplicate effort, which was my point.
- Scott Royall
Scott: there's a tax to pay and I paid it. Yes! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, social networking is a major part of your life. I think most people just fit it in.
- Scott Royall
Scott: there are more and more people who make this stuff a major part of their lives. You've gotta see the engagement stats for Facebook. Off the charts. My wife is addicted.
- Robert Scoble
It's all Rob's fault that twitter is being ignored by me. Is it coincidence with the new ff ui? They say that things happen in perfect timing, when they're supposed to.
- Myrna
It seems to me there are two sides to social media: personal and professional. Just when I figured Twitter would win the professional side Friendfeed beta comes out. I have to wonder if the beta will cause the services' roles to switch. Then again why would anyone but close friends care about my Netflix queue, etc? Perhaps that's what filtering will help but FF needs some templates.
- The Griff
please pardon me, but new UI is terrible :P I pray God twitter will never change.
- Franc, a rememberer