Good post, Nathan. I find that last.fm generally does a far inferior job at putting together radio stations I like (unless of course I just use the 'my library' station). I mean, it makes sense that someone who listens to The White Stripes would also listen to Jack White's solo stuff, but one's more post-punk and the other's more alt-country, and I'm not generally in the mood for both...
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- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
A real world question that is being debated right now on one of the lists I follow. It's apparently not a simple answer. What are your thoughts?
- DeWitt Clinton
The AtomPub mailing list became substantially more productive once the name calling and personal slurs were no longer tolerated. The only people that would argue against such a thing aren't there to contribute constructively.
- Joe Gregorio
@Joe - totally. And it worked out in the end for AtomPub, even though I know it was a frustrating experience at the time, and actually did cost something to get there as well. My feeling is that no amount of outright personal attacks or slurs should be tolerated. I'm actually a little surprised to hear people making an argument the other way. (But the internet is a big place, nothing should surprise me.)
- DeWitt Clinton
None. In our experience (on the GWT lists), the best approach has been to gently ask people to keep things professional when they get out of line. This works 90% of the time, and helps remind people of the tone we want to maintain (particularly helpful for those who might be turned off by the assholes in question). When someone falls into the other 10%, you can remind them more sternly. We've only had to moderate one person that I can recall, and he eventually shaped up.
- Joel Webber
Though I'd love to say there should be no tolerance, I think there are some who are so unthinkingly disagreeable they push otherwise reasonable people over the edge.
- DGentry
I'd say at most one. Realistically, people who poison open source discussions are likely to be a recurrent disruptor if they continue despite being warned as it shows a lack of self-reflection or appreciation for others. Slurs I'd say zero. Any attack on the messenger other than outright slur, I'd allow once with warning. Slur example: "You're a godamned liar." Attacking the messenger "your proposal would make sense if it wasn't for the fact that you're a Microsoft employee"
- Ray Cromwell
It's vital to maintain an atmosphere of civility otherwise you end up with things like the BileBlog: http://www.bileblog.org/ or http://lastweekinhtml5.blogspot.com/ whose authors defended by otherwise reasonable people on the grounds that they're actually quite nice people in person and are only offensive when they're behind a keyboard. When difficult and emotive decisions need to be...
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- Adewale Oshineye
None, but be careful how you define 'zero tolerance'. If a first offense gets you banned from the list with no warning, you've gone too far.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Being ruled by net nannies and overly sensitive people also is not the route to successful wide spread collaboration. Who manages what defines name calling and personal slurs and what happens when this line is crossed? Trying to work with a whole bunch of passive aggressives can sometimes be worse than a situation where occasionally emotion overcomes reason.
- Brian Sullivan
@Brian: Completely agreed. The idea of "zero tolerance" (which I didn't mean to imply by "none", but probably did) can be equally dangerous, especially if you end up with a bunch of easily offended, self-appointed vigilantes trying to police everyone. I think just having a few people who've been around for a while (our own team, in our case) gently ask people to be reasonable and professional when they clearly get out of line is sufficient.
- Joel Webber
I am always more willing to comment at a site where there is a message requesting civility posted. I like NPG's message -- something like "be as argumentative as you like, but keep it civil".
- Mickey Schafer
"While you may be worried of catching of an obscure disease you heard about on the news, the truth is that we are far more likely to die of a small range of illnesses, nearly all of which are tied in some way to your lifestyle choices, like the food you eat or how much exercise you get. But you can lessen—sometimes dramatically—the likelihood of succumbing to the most common causes of death by knowing your risk factors and making informed choices. This is a look at your most likely cause of death (excluding uncontrollable events like accidents and homicide), given your race, sex, and age. Use this information to make choices that will keep you healthy."
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
from Bookmarklet
Also, HIV for black men in *gulp* my age group. :(
- Derrick
The fact is I will probably die from kidney failure but the chart is interesting.
- Judy Jones
Heart disease, HIV, cancer. I'm working on 1 as best I can. The things I do for 1 should help with 3 as well. I hope I'm at zero risk for 2.
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
my heart will probly give out before i turn 60.
- Joe Silence
"The Volkswagen Microbus is a classic - even to those of us born after its time. Arguably unlike the newly remade Beetle, this remake of a VW classic is remarkably true to the original on the outside - but on the inside it is a bio-diesel hybrid stuffed full of high tech gadgetry and eco-friendly innovations."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
Super cool VW Bus making a comeback...
- Walt Ruppar
First of all, I'll cop to wanting one of these. That being said, Jason is right. This is for rich hippies (who probably aren't hippies at all). The VW microbus became the darling of the Flower Power crowd because it was cheap, easy to repair, and big. You could camp in it. Is there a car today that fits this bill?
- Chris Baskind
wow, you can buy an awful lot of pot with $129,000.
- Thomas Hawk
I don't know a self-respecting hippie that would prefer this over a really nice indoor greenhouse. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
@Chris, Most cars today aren't as simple, but with the wealth of knowledge online, it just takes more time. The minivan/SUV can become a camper van with a few mods. They'll never take the place of the VW, but they're an updated version of the 70s panelvan conversions (hopefully without shag carpeting & a disco-ball).
- Steven Cains
Nope: there will never be anything that simple again. That's not all bad: I can't imagine a 1960s VW Minibus would satisfy *any* federal safety standard these days. You're right. A used minivan might be the closest thing.
- Chris Baskind
Very Cool. You can't drive your house but, you can sleep in your Van !!!
- Eric Logan
Very intriguing. How much steel is in that thing? Chris, that would be my next question after fuel consumption: how safe is this thing? And I agree, when we can go back to making transportation that costs less than a small home, we may have achieved something amazing. ;)
- Melanie Reed
However, I have heard (and I'm not remembering where at the moment) that there has been a movement growing of people seeking alternative housing and substituting things like this as the new "mobile" home.
- Melanie Reed
Everyone is loving this! We should have an FF one and use it to travel to all the FFers around the World (like Pea seems to be doing ;-)). Hehe. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
cool idea, kol. the ff-stream of this tour would be alltheawe. just imagine the photos.
- esther ♥ ♫
I've owned 5 VWs, two of which were split window vans. I'd love to have another, this is awesome!
- Rick Bucich
from twhirl
I have had more VWs than other cars...starting with a 71 Superbeetle, and a Split Window Microbus. I would LOVE to have something like this.
- Kreg Steppe
Good for grandparents to visit grandchildren and children through the European continent (or another one as well)...nomadism-revival!
- Isabelle Ayel
wow i posted this a while back and now can't seem to find it for some reason. friendfeed's search function really sucks!
- Cee Bee
So after reading this article yesterday, I found myself this evening in front of a local place that specializes in reconditioning old VWs. It was closed, but there's an awesome red and white microbus out front with a For Sale sign on it. Ugly, underpowered -- and probably dangerous, by modern standards. Want. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
Cee, really? I find FF search is pretty good.
- Kol Tregaskes
I love this Mobile...owned a few Vdubs, lived in a VW camper, but this is off the hook..I would become a true nomad with this...
- bcultral
I'd like to have something like this, something small. What do you really need? A bed, perhaps a TV and room for your computer. Then you can live anywhere you like, in theory.
- Kol Tregaskes
Who is this Canadian designer Alexandre Verdier? Seems like he is on Facebook, Linked In but I can't seem to find anything else about him.
- Brian Sullivan
We had a wesvalia built Micro when I was a kid. I loved that thing. It was a little flimsily built; but boy it was perfect for my family of campers and road-tripping warriors. Too bad this one is so pricey
- Bill Rawlinson
yeah, it'd be a great idea - the first problem is there's always an asshole who'll break the chain rather than contribute. The second issue is there's no-one who has a FFFFOUND! invite ATM.
- maed
please invite me also | manishkhatri4u at gmail.com
- Manish Khatri
yes, im on it! tommarques (at) gmail (dot) com
- Tom Marques
its like the hardest invite to get ever!!! I had one about a year ago but that lasted like 3 seconds :) not sure why they dont release more.
- (jeff)isageek
mee too please: ignantblog@gmail.com
- Ignant Blog
Yea, I've just about given up on getting one, but I'm all for hope chains! louis [at] omgirock.com
- Louis P.
from twhirl
not one person is gonna get a invite.... here what you could do to help your chances; start a tumblr or something similar and start collecting/posting pics. If your collection is awesome enough i bet you get a invite. Now I do not know this to be fact but it couldn't hurt.....
- Brian Moore
would like to be invited and to share. tnx comunic at hotmail.com
- lerra
In early June, I told you about how my friend Drew Olanoff had encountered some bad news. In what has no doubt been a life-altering experience, Drew was diagnosed with stage three Hodgkin's Lymphoma, and scheduled to undergo a series of chemotherapy treatments to take on the illness. At the time, I also told you about his unique strategy to fight back, using #BlameDrewsCancer, a Twitter hashtag and accompanying Web site, to organize the power of social media in his personal quest to give the Big C a big F. Ten chemo treatments into the promised dozen, Drew is seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. The doctors have given him a very positive diagnosis, which doesn't mean he's completely put cancer in the rear view mirror, but he has turned the corner. Even when he is feeling the inevitable fatigue, aches, nausea and other side effects of his treatment, he is progressing closer to this specific finish line. But even if he gets an all clear from the doctors, what cancer didn't realize...
For the last two months, while we've been testing the Google Wave developer preview, we have been talking amongst ourselves about how this thing could change (or add to) what we do. So, here's a list of a few wild ideas we had for using Wave.
- Brad Williamson
from Bookmarklet
You are so technologically p*wned in about 5 to 7 years.......s'okay though adults will be obsolete by 2027 anyway.
- suzanne
why kids always like the glowing things?
- testbeta
i think it is natural instinct of even an adult human or even animals and insects, do kids find colorful things interesting? we try to paint all their things and surroundings, have seen even kids' schools painted colorfully
- testbeta
my sister says wow what a wonderful set of dolls hahahahaha
- testbeta
Has anyone considered the fact that this may all be part of some massive cloning conspiracy by the Grays to create the most perfect, gorgeous and smartest (and deadliest) babies on the planet? We could in actual fact be watching some secret technology-weapon training session.. And knowing how smart Louis is, they could be doing it right in public, the last place we'd look. We're through the looking glass here people... Best I say no more unless they send... *thud*
- Johnny Worthington
"Every so often a truly original model emerges. Lara Stone is 25 – comparatively old in an industry where most are deemed past it by the time they reach their mid-twenties. She is a relatively curvaceous British size 10, with feet that measure a six (instead of sample size seven to eight), wispy fair hair and a noticeable gap between her two front teeth. Yet somehow it’s a mesmerising combination. "
- RAPatton
"Stone’s unique look has designers and fashion editors swooning; Prada contracted her for a semi-exclusive catwalking deal (preventing any other designer from using Stone before she walked in its a/w 09 show), and French Vogue dedicated its entire February issue to her – marking the return of sultry, Brigitte Bardot-esque, womanly proportions. Born in Holland, Stone first emerged when...
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- RAPatton
she looks like all the other models to me.
- edythe
Jenna is doing an amazing job here. Will she be the new Matt Cutts?
- Jérôme Flipo
I think she will be the next Jenna Bilotta. She has recently become more visible here, which is greatly appreciated, but I believe her role is much different than that of Matt's.
- Louis Gray
I feel like by using feedly I am missing the conversations. Am I wrong?
- Amani
Amani, if you don't see comments, yes you are missing the conversations. Feedly does have a great number of benefits though. You just have to decide what is important to you.
- Louis Gray
Amani: you are right: we only partially support comments: you can view and participate in comments when you open a article which includes comments but we do not currently offer the comments view which let's you know which comments have been updated, etc... Personally, I think that Friendfeed (and in some way twitter and facebook) offer a better social model for Google Reader this is why...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
There are now 43 comments on this article from a share I made in Google Reader. :)
- Louis Gray
I am probably missing something pretty obvious about making my shared items more accessible but I am going to ask anyway. Louis, you said you reorganisd your contacts and made sure each group could access your shared items. Was that just a process of allocating contacts to specific groups and enabling sharing access? Did you then go through your lists and manually locate their shared feeds and follow them or can that be automated once your contacts are organised?
- Paul Jacobson
What I've done, Paul, is added every single contact into a group called "Friends" and enabled Friends to see the items. Originally, I was not assigning people to groups at all, so they could see the shares, but not comment. That was my mistake. I had to go to "Sharing Settings", then People I follow and add everybody to the folder.
- Louis Gray
Ah, right! Thanks for the explanation. I just created a group for "Reader friends" and pretty much added the people I follow and the people who are following me to that group. I love FriendFeed and at the same time I am pretty excited about what is going on in Google Reader.
- Paul Jacobson