Depends on their implementation of the idea. Personally, I'm more excited about Wave based on what I know about the two, which I admit is very little.
- Bryan Bartow
I have a Wave sandbox, and it IS awesome! The announcement has to be related to the new OS or android
- Keith Barrett
Keith, if it's what I'm talking about then it is neither.
- Bryan Bartow
Bryan: hummmmm. Now I'm more tortured
- Keith Barrett
In the interest of full disclosure, my information is two levels removed from the source. Google -> vendor -> me. Still, I trust the source and when the idea was told to me it sounded very plausible.
- Bryan Bartow
I hope it's Google Base integration with Open Social widgets!
- Mitch
@manuel I just came back from Win7 ship party and i am astonished that how many man years does it take make a OS.
- Ruchit Garg
My team was actually asked to work on the project, but we unfortunately had to decline. It definitely would have been a cool project.
- Bryan Bartow
Ruchit: I understand, just speculating. Yet considering it sounds like a Linux distro running Chrome, it does not sound all that impossible.
- Manuel Mas
Maybe its the ability to call up contacts list when composing a message. That would be groundbreaking. :/
- jcunwired
@Bryan: Is it a Netbook with Chrome OS with all the Google Apps built in. Something like a GPad?
- Abhishek Tiwari
Chrome OS wouldn't be a real surprise. Even a Linux distro by Google wouldn't be a shock. Wonder what it could be... hmm...
- ChristianWV
killer than wave??? how many of you think google wave is a path breaking one?????
- hariharan kumar
Should be considerably easy for Google to accomplish since Wave is vaporware to the overwhelming majority of web users - even savvy ones who know about it.
- Chris Duffy
cool is always relative. I have learned not to get too excited. It may be cool for you but not me.
- Phillip Miller
It's going to be an anti-aging skin cream. It will be called the G-formula.
- Tomy Thomson
When I first heard about Wave, I thought big deal, chat and email. But after watching the entire presentation, I see it could replace Email, IM, IRC, Forums, Blogs and their commenting systems, etc.. and put it all in your 'INBOX'
- Tim Hoeck
from Android
Wave seems like another Orkut to me, so it wouldn't surprise me if there is something better coming.
- Cristo
Google AdSense on the new Coca-Cola Freestye soda dispensers?
- RAD Moose
@Abhishek Nope. Not hardware related if it's what I'm thinking.
- Bryan Bartow
I'd be willing to bet it is mobile-related.
- LogEx
Google shoul create a highly robust social media platform that integrates Google's products: profiles, mail, calendars, chat, voice, picassa, blogger, gReader, search, latitude, maps - that is what I would build :)
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
I'm just going to call it gootopia (or should it be googtopia. hmm)
- Micah Wittman
from iPhone
Susan, I think that is happening already, bit by bit. Every month there are new capabilities and integration points. I'm optimistic on that front.
- LogEx
I was dreaming about getting access to wave now something new and better?!!!
- Mostafa Lameei
Mostafa: There's always something new and better coming from every front.
- Manuel Mas
Logical - Google product integration has way more potential than they have currently in production now. I see layers of useful and revenue generating features and improvents. The potential roadmap I see for this is highly disruptive and needed.
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
If I had to guess, I would say 1) some type of Youtube Appliance (=Apple TV done right) or 2) Google News 3.0 (shifting from news to a discovery engine). The TV thing is probably bigger and somewhere they have a big competitive advantage with Youtube.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
USB plug in directly to right ear download contents of mental zipper - ready to upload to friends
- PookyMedia
Another big opportunity besides realtime communication is media streaming so my guess is a Silverlight-like (RIA) platform with special focus on adjustments dependent on the device used for consuming and open enough that augmented reality innovations will play nice with current "standard" codecs
- Alberto Saavedra
Google Web Drive, under the "Cosmo" codename. Read Blogoscoped or GOS. I think Ionut told me he expects Cosmo to be launch before Sept.
- Jérôme Flipo
from iPhone
Google Web Drive would be cooler, in a way..ve.
- Nick Humphries
"Google buying FF" - Noooooo! It will just get killed like some of the other high profile acquisitions they have made.
- Travis Koger
@Allen I love the concept, @Travis google killed the app that were at their first stage of development, FF is 85% finished (mean completed) the rest 5% will be user innovation, so even if Google buy FF they will not change a line in the code or the architecture.now who is the firt to like this post?!! what did Greader this week? who from Greader left the office to go to FF? too many question!!
- abdellah
but let be clear, all the above are just speculation.
- abdellah
Nope Abdellah. Cosmo have been mentionned numerous times in official docs and in the code of some apps.
- Jérôme Flipo
from iPhone
@Jerome havn't understand what do you mean by Cosmo
- abdellah
It has to be quantum computing. all computation done outside of time and space.
- Walter Logeman
I'm thinking Google Chrome with Native Client for super fast rendering of web applications (including Wave).
- George Moga
Introducing Google Goo: Making the web squishy, coming late 2009.
- DGentry
Won't be hard to be cooler than Wave. Yes, I'm not a big Wave fan: way too noisy, messy, unusable... Maybe I'll change my mind in the future but for now, I still don't get what we'll do with this stuff and I don't buy the idea.
- Pascal Thivent
Okay, here are my predictions. First, let me say that being cooler than Wave will be quite hard because that's pretty awesome (do you have sandbox access Pascal? Because I'm sure that will change your mind). (1) Google TV - Never mentioned anywhere officially and would definitely be cooler than most others, however VEVO is somewhat similar. (2) GDrive/Cosmo/whatever they call it - would...
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- Californian
This churn in applications wears me out! Where do you get the energy?
- ZuDfunck
The amount of web-based applications being delivered from Google is amazing. There is so much potential in Google voice apps, Google Wave, which will put their social apps on steroids and now an OS. If they can leverage their brand and fan base into these other verticals; they will be a force to reckoned with and a huge target for anti-trust regulators...
- Mark Harai
Google Cloud. In your pocket, on your desk, embedded ---anywhere, anytime at anyprice.
- Thom Kennon
Wow Thom - that actually does sound VERY cool...
- Mark Harai
Probably something to do with a more direct Windows competition. If you look at Google's recent products, many of them are meant to replace Microsoft products.
- William Mougayar
from iPhone
A multi-platform OS is the only thing in my mind that could top Wave. Can't wait to find out for sure though what this will be!
- Garin Kilpatrick
I bet it's the Gdrive after I've just paid for an extra 10GB storage on Google. Would be cool to be able to access all my files from any google app, so I could add a picture from picassa webalbum or embed a video of mine/ favourited without having to go to the other site and copy a URL. This would set it up nicely for google OS
- Steven Horner
from iPhone
It's a kind of gyro balanced 2-wheel personal transportation device, IT will change everything. The way we live, the way cities are built.
- Ray Cromwell
Crazy. I wonder if it will read my mind and stream content related to my thoughts in real-time.
- Dane
What!? Cooler than Wave. I'll give my left nut to find out what & to be a tester.
- Brian Felix
from iPhone
Whatever it is, I'm sure IT WILL BE BIGGER THAN THE INTERNETS!
- Andy Bakun
It is a Google-branded reality distortion field developed in collaboration with Apple. The reality distortion field prototype is so strong that Eric Schmidt was forced to resign from the Apple board of directors, lest his field encounter that of Steve Jobs reulting in mutual annihilation in a devastating burst of pure energy.
- thegeniusfiles
That's a really interesting idea, Gabe. It seems to go a bit against the drive that Google Apps will reduce the need for IT departments though, so I doubt it.
- Californian
Google will be hiring people to come to your house and physically direct your searches.
- Chris Baskind
Google has created an OFF button for the internet and will demonstrate their magic later this year. After that, Google will solidify the world under one government known as the Google Wave Party. Then, SkyNet will be born and we will all be shocked and amazed when Google Androids storm through our neighborhoods, killing us all.
- Bradley Farless
More exciting than Wave. Has got to be Tsunami
- Sidharth Dassani
"Americans overwhelmingly support substantial changes to the health care system and are strongly behind one of the most contentious proposals Congress is considering, a government-run insurance plan to compete with private insurers, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll... The poll found that most Americans would be willing to pay higher taxes so everyone could have health insurance and that they said the government could do a better job of holding down health-care costs than the private sector."
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
no way no how...gov healthcare? your kidding... ask a vet how his healthcare is going.
- Randy Pollock
I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive.-Thomas Jefferson
- Randy Pollock
Most bad government has grown out of too much government.-Thomas Jefferson
- Randy Pollock
Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have ... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases. Thomas Jefferson
- Randy Pollock
That's what we have in France. It allows everyone to have access to healthcare. It is very expensive to the government though...
- Jim Braux-Zin
Which is supported by a VAT tax, I don't want a VAT tax. Former Pres Reagan said asking someone if everyone should have health care is a no win question of course everyone should...but at what cost and what tax level
- Randy Pollock
"One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It is very easy to describe a medical program as a humanitarian project... Ronald Reagan
- Randy Pollock
Please stop thinking socialism=stalinism...
- Jim Braux-Zin
The problem with the arguments against this is they focus on a single payer plan when this is focused on a public option for insurance. It would be very cool to have an honest discusion on the actual issue, as it's very debate worthy.
- Andrew
@Randy: So would you consider the current situation acceptable? When there's no public option (not the single-payer strawman so many seem to be arguing against, but which no one is seriously proposing), you end up with many people who *cannot* get insurance at any reasonable rate because of some condition over which they have no control. My brother has epilepsy. I have a couple of friends with autistic children. In all of these cases, private insurance companies simply won't insure them.
- Joel Webber
Then, of course, there's the hidden "public option" which already imposes a huge burden on government coffers: the fact that hospitals are required to eat the cost of the uninsured in emergency rooms, where care is often drastically more expensive than preventive care. If you want the government to stay completely out of healthcare, then you have to accept letting the uninsured poor die outside emergency rooms.
- Joel Webber
I don't have the answer to healthcare, but giving it to big government isn't the solution either...I have to pay for healthcare for my son who is 2 yrs old, we can barely afford it, don't you think I would like to have a cheaper rate or a free plan from the government? Whomever can find the solution I'm for it, but history has always shown us that big government is not the solution.
- Randy Pollock
Many other developed nations have public healthcare systems, such as France as Jim pointed out. These health care systems work better than ours by established metrics. About veterans' health care, please refer to _Best Care Anywhere: Why VA Health Care is Better Than Yours_. The assertion about what "history has always shown" is not supported by specific, empirical evidence.
- Ruchira S. Datta
History has shown that governments only get larger. So what if we stopped whining about big government and started figuring out how to make our largest institutions (AIG, Citi, GM, AT&T, the government, etc.) work for us instead of against us?
- Daniel Dulitz
Seems to me that a good way to do that would be to give our large institutions large problems to solve, problems that will destroy us if not solved. Non-govt has had 30 years to fix healthcare and failed. Time to try something new.
- Daniel Dulitz
Dogmatism sucks. Too many have knee-jerk reactions to any proposal on both sides of the political spectrum, and cherry pick anecdotes or regurgitate viral memetic talking points. Here's an anecdote: I pay for the most expensive healthcare option, small deductible, everything covered, maximal choice. Yet, my provider still makes tons of billing errors which I have to spend hours on the...
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- Ray Cromwell
why lonely conservatives rarely comment on social media sites...lol..I always know better...but comment anyway. At least we can agree it was nice that the US MNT (soccer) made it to the semi finals today
- Randy Pollock
@Randy: No! Please don't *not* comment; that's not the point. I hope that we *can* have a rational discussion on these sorts of issues, here if anywhere. I was only trying to point out that there are severe problems with the current system, and a government plan might be a way of mitigating some of them. I think you'll find that people here (by "here" I mean the particular group of...
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- Joel Webber
@Joel I'm not the best debater and when it feels like "Joe versus the volcano" it's hard to continue trying to make my point that big government is very scary to me, I try to limit my comments to topics that I have personal knowledge of (I am a veteran) or that will impact my family directly (healthcare). I agree that big business is scary, but not as scary as big government.I prefer to...
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- Randy Pollock
Government health care in Canada is amazing, and even causes some Americans to cross the border.
- Garin Kilpatrick
I just read an article (can't seem to find it now) that said the opposite. But I do know many ppl who get their prescriptions from Canada. I think I saw the report on Fox News (you can insert your hate for that news agency here)
- Randy Pollock
I'm about a libertarian as you can reasonably be without frothing at the mouth. Addicted to Rand at 17, Atlas Shrugged my Bible, Mises, Hayek, Friedman, etc my prophets, and in general, I prefer competition and decentralization as default, as market based approaches as much as possible, but just because they work most of the time, doesn't mean they work all of the time or are optimal...
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- Ray Cromwell
I know several people who are americans who are denied insurance because pre-existing conditions. Their problems apparently was the be born. That is not ok. Also, paying $600 per month by yourself because you're not on an employers plan is also not acceptable. It's simply isn't an opt-out thing, as the costs tend to be shuffled around instead when people can't pay inflated costs because they don't have (as in can't afford) or can't get insurance.
- Jonas S Karlsson
the exact "overwhelming" number is 72% of Americans support government run universal healthcare system. the cost of reform would be $0, taxes and all - $0 - it'd be actually cheaper for all ...../ A chilling reading - over 60% of all US bankruptcies attributable to medical problems - a compelling evidence that the US health care system is broken -...
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- Petr Buben
The private insurance system doesn't work because it's competing on who can deny coverage for treatments and existing conditions. I fail to see how a public system can be any worse. And yes, if you're going to be a knee-jerk Republican/Libertarian, it's tough to have a conversation with those who belong to the reality based community.
- Piaw Na
Sounds like a tough dilemma. Probably similar to how traditional media goes for sensationalist journalism as an easier way to get eyeballs.
- Mark Krynsky
"On Thursday the film’s director, Ridley Scott, announced that a new division of his commercials company, RSA Films, was working on a video series called “Purefold.” The series of linked 5- to 10-minute shorts, aimed first at the Web and then perhaps television, will be set at a point in time before 2019, when the Harrison Ford movie takes place in a dystopian Los Angeles. Mr. Scott, his brother Tony and his son Luke are developing the project in conjunction with the independent studio Ag8, which is run by one of the creators of “Where are the Joneses?” a British Web sitcom that solicited storyline suggestions from the audience. Similarly, “Purefold” will harvest story input from its viewers, in conjunction with the social media site FriendFeed."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
"... “Purefold” will harvest story input from its viewers, in conjunction with the social media site FriendFeed ..." ~ Is this a sub? ~ http://paulgraham.com/submari...
- Peter Renshaw
Peter, not sure what you mean; no PR agency is involved and no press release was, erm, released - we've just explained the basics to the project to 2 reporters. We have also talked to many people over the past few months about what we aim to acheive. We'll be blogging about the past 9 months development and the forthcoming outputs soon. PR may be used to brief in more 'mainstream' magazines in due course. (And glad to see a Paul Graham essay used as referenced - I'm a big fan)
- zeroinfluencer
Hi David, I was just noting that Paul B. posted without naming FF is working with this idea & Purefold. What information is *not included* is just as important as what *is included*. A quick acknowledgment from the boss might have made this fact clear. The Sub reference comes from *quietly* slipping in info into the conversation w/o explicitly stating why. That's all. Aside from that...
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- Peter Renshaw
Hey Peter, I see. We haven't explained the novel way of how we're using FriendFeed yet, there's a few concepts we need to explain before we do. I've had unloaded all the project details immediately there would have been mass confusion on how to use/participate Purefold.
- zeroinfluencer
"... We haven't explained the novel way of how we're using FriendFeed yet, there's a few concepts we need to explain before we do ..." Write it up: how Purefold & Friendfeed want the process to work. When you do post it somewhere prominent (Purefold discussions?). Should make interesting reading. Never assume a lack of information will somehow make things clearer. I'll take the info-glut every time.
- Peter Renshaw
Hey Peter, you and I both, but I'm presuming many cant. We'll add a 'features' as we go, then I suspect I wont face mass confusion. Purefold is designed as a large system, using lots of FriendFeed Groups to mix streams of material. If anything, at this stage, we're getting feedback on the basic concept, clarifying, and them moving forward. I think when we explain how we'll be using FFeed API, you'll 'get it' quickly.
- zeroinfluencer
This is one of my all time favorite films... being a Nexus 6 myself....
- Fossil Huntress
Hey Fossil, Nexus 6 cant exist before 2015 (they have a 4 year lifespan, so the movie tells us). Are you lying about your model number ;-)
- zeroinfluencer
I keep hearing about how the Friendfeed API is a key piece of this. I have some ideas how that might happen, and I think that it is exciting for a few reasons. (1) It's groundbreaking work for Purefold (in the sense that it will pave the way for other projects using Friendfeed in their own ways) (2) It will show how Friendfeed can become a platform. (3) When I think about this then I...
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- Andy Bold
Andy - you're on target. Wave did catch our attention, but it's nowhere near ready for a commercial property like Purefold (Google dev teams have known about Purefold since March). FFeed has possibly the smartest team in this area - and the software is rock solid and very clever for integration. I managed to put a smile on Paul B at FFeed face when we talked about our objectives - I...
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- zeroinfluencer
fan bloody tastic! So we can post here and Twitterers can comment away without any complaints! The only think you need to try and do is bring in comments (about a share) from twitter into here! :)
- Zee.
This is great...should help new users quite a bit.
- Mark Krynsky
OK, I admit I'm dense. As an existing user will this help me find the folks I follow on Twitter?
- Laura Norvig
Cool, is it possible we could have the ability to bulk import or non-FF Twitter friends as private feeds so we can track them in FF? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Laura, existing FriendFeed users should just go to http://friendfeed.com/friends... and click on the Twittter (and Facebook and Google) icons to find their friends. Kol, not yet, but I'm hoping to add something like that soon (improved imaginary friends).
- Paul Buchheit
Thx, Paul - guess I haven't been to that page since the launch. btw, I'm definitely coming around to the new friendfeed (colors notwithstanding).
- Laura Norvig
Great to see the standards working -OAuth fro Gogole and Twitter login on Friendfeed
- Kevin Marks
That's a great tool, Paul! Found a few from Twitter and Facebook I didn't realise were on FF...:)
- WorldofHiglet
Oh man, that is suh-weet. Works really well.
- Laura Norvig
Paul, that would be wonderful, thank you. I'm keen to use FF as a kinda Twitter client. I'd love the ability to import my group I've created on Tweetvisor too but that would additionally require exporting facilities from Tweetvisor, and from asking them they've told me it's low priority (which is fair enough).
- Kol Tregaskes
That's fantastic! Sharing with all of my not-yet-friendfeedified twitter friends. Thanks, Paul!
- Eric Johnson
This IS good. Thanks for the hard work, Benjamin Golub.
- Micah Wittman
Love that you guys are making the entry more enticing. What about refining what FriendFeed is further? Like: Twitter + conversation. For new people who don't get it and most without the time to get it, simplifying the message or experimenting further with your "first impression" on your splash page might be worth a try. Example: wouldn't it be cool to have a live conversation streaming to show just how FF has a leg up on the scattered Twitter stream?
- kilbuda
WOW! 313 new Twitter people! Amazing what the OAuth did. Amazing. That just completely Rocks!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
That was just too easy, and found a bunch of Twitter people. I just subscribed, but I hope they participate. I'm sure I'll have to trim later.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Thanks for everything Benjamin and the others, that is really great. :)
- Alp
I was subscribed to exactly 100 of the people I follow on Twitter. Added 93 more. Funny, this is actually helping me find people I *don't* want to follow in either place.
- Laura Norvig
I'm looking forward to the "advanced imaginary friends" section which lets me as an existing FriendFeed user view all the twitter updates from people that don't use FriendFeed.
- Brian Sloane
Just posted this to my stream then saw this, Cool stuff Paul
- Charlie Anzman
Some time ago I spent lots of time in removing my Facebook-Friendfeed integration, and didn't succeed, Facebook refused to remove it. Since that - no info about any other my services to Facebook, ever.
- orie
Happy to hear that there will be an improved imaginary friend option!
- Jacob
The improved imaginary friend feature will be great. No need to visit Twitter much then!
- Pinksy
How do we give virtual bucks to Paul, oh I see a like button here. Off to work on the influence funnel, who cares about dollars, I want eyes ;)
- Mark Essel
FriendFeed is constantly bringing new value to the service. I'm loving it!
- Amie Gillingham
I just imported 8,000 new Twitter friends. Worked MUCH BETTER than last time.
- Robert Scoble
Smart move guys. A quick way to grow FF users is to tap into the current hot properties. Can't believe other Social Networks are so slow to respond.
- Neill Adamson
Paul, is there a way to sync it so that people I no longer follow on Twitter are unfollowed on FriendFeed?
- Jorge Escobar
Great news on the advanced imaginary friends. That plus the ability to comment back to Facebook posts as easily as we reply to Twitter would be killer.
- Kevin Kuphal
Ca passe 50 fois par jour ce truc là sur FriendFeed ! C''est pas possible d'arr^ter, j'en ai marre de le voir franchement ... ^^
- Jean-Marie Gall
from twhirl
@Robert cannot seem to do that with groups. What I want to do: Concentrate different RSS feeds (e.g. newswires) which do not necessarily have an account in any other social network into one imaginary friend's collection of feeds.
- Mark Jacobs
Mark, "groups" (formerly "rooms") are able to import feeds just like regular users (and imaginary friends). See https://friendfeed.com/xoogle-... for example (imports the blogs of all known xoogle startups). The only thing special about imaginary friends is that they don't have usernames (or rather we assign a random 128 bit username).
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, the DM option on imaginary friends should perhaps be removed. Also, imaginary friends do not show up on the search dropdown list when you type in their name in the search box.
- Kol Tregaskes
Paul, is it possible to automatically create "imaginary friends" from twitter following list? What I would like is to read all my Twitter in FriendFeed; many of twitterers though are not on FF, so I have to create them by hand which is tedious. Also, it would be nice to allow to add them to some special list.
- Ihar Mahaniok
Ihar, see my comment up in the middle and Paul's reply. Looks like FF are working on it. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Still would like an imaginary friend than making bunch of Groups to simulate peoples that doesn’t use FF. BTW, unlike the Facebook Connect login, when I tried logging in using Twitter, it made a new account for me on FF instead of opening my own (which also has Twitter activity added).
- Natsuki Seika
"The nature of the personal computer is simply not fully understood by companies like Apple (or anyone else for that matter). Apple makes the arrogant assumption of thinking that it knows what you want and need. It, unfortunately, leaves the “why” out of the equation — as in “why would I want this?” The Macintosh uses an experimental pointing device called a ‘mouse’. There is no evidence that people want to use these things. I dont want one of these new fangled devices."
- Ross Miller
from Bookmarklet
Dvorak has somehow made a career of being a pundit who's grossly wrong most of the time.
- mikepk