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And even more, his patent on his infamous dancing shoes. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Seems like a can of worms to me. Who is going to decide who they honor and who they don't? This is a step down a political path that a Google would be wise to avoid.
- Dawn
Google should be more political. It's just very fine.
- Charbax
Τι θέμα είναι ότι ακόμα και αν κάνεις link κάποιον τρίτο account (π.χ. OpenID) δεν έχω βρει κάποιον τρόπο ώστε να μπορείς να κάνεις Login με αυτόν
- Spiros Vathis
Spiros Vathis: όντως. Πρέπει να είναι καινούργιο feature που δεν έχει δοθεί στην ΄κυκλοφορία'
- Nikos Anagnostou
it'd definitely going to take me a while to get to a million. I'm publishing about 200 photos to flickr a week right now and at this pace it will take 92 years to get there. I'll get the pace up to 400-500 a week in the future though. Better technology should make processing easier and someday my kids will be grown and I'll be able to quit my day job and focus on this even more. The best photos have yet to be taken.
- Thomas Hawk
When I think about this I realize your best days are ahead of you.
- Russellreno
What's your shot/publish ratio? I mean, on average how many shots do you take to produce those you publish?
- Yuval Atzmon
atzmon, I probably average about 2,000 shots a week that I shoot. And I'm probably processing 300 or so of those a week at present, so I'm probably keeping about 15%. The other 85% never get processed and are kept in my archives. I'm trying only to process and publish the shots that I think meet a certain quality criteria.
- Thomas Hawk
You upload a lot more than I do. I have about 40,000 pictures but only about 2000 uploaded. Mostly because I have not gotten around to processing more. =)
- Jauder Ho
from twhirl
Jauder, the good news is that processing will only get easier in the future. I've watched it get better with each successive Adobe release. Lightroom 2.0 is the best processing tool yet. It's not necessarily faster per se though because with more tools there are yet even more ways to tweak a photo hence even more time. But the tools to speed things up are coming too. auto geotagging, better anti dust tech, faster processing speeds, easier online tools with faster broadband are all around the corner.
- Thomas Hawk
16,000 ?? Yikes. Cool number. Congrats.
- Charlie Anzman
This photo is total awesome. It is made even more awesome by the knowledge that there are 15,999 more photos just as awesome as this one. EDIT: This photo is now my desktop background. :)
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Always loved that quote " The best photos have yet to be taken. - Thomas Hawk"
- johnpiercy
Congrats, I even don't think I took so many photos in my life. :)
- Ferhad Fidan
from fftogo
@thomas: Yahoo should be giving Flickr to you for free. You'd do a great job with it. And it would be historical: the first user-generated (company) acquisition :)))
- Alberto D'Ottavi
from fftogo
I guess the metier of 'photo editor' is kaput...or, at least, greatly altered....
- Chris Gulker
You know they are going to delete your account without warning once you hit 999,999, right? :)
- Ace
Ace, I hope not, I'd be so pissed. Actually I think alot of what gets me so upset about all the content/account deletion issues is that I really do worry that it actually will happen to me. Flickr staff hates me and they'd *love* to delete my account. I worry that I'll wake up one morning and everything will have been nuked. I suppose that's why I'd like to see them enact the ability to...
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- Thomas Hawk
Holyshit! You have taked just couple of photos...
- k00pa
Because this post is from September last year k00pa :)
- Simon Wicks
@Chris Gulker. Someday I hope to work with a photo editor. God knows I need to. I like to think of my Flickrstream today more as the raw material in a lot of ways for future projects. A good photo editor adds tremendous value to shaping a photographer's imagery.
- Thomas Hawk
He told me they messed up by not communicating better last week. The deal happened so fast that they didn't pay attention to everything.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
More smoke-blowing. I don't care of Paul swore on the graves of his ancestors. Actions speak louder than words. Some vague promise to a group of people I'm excluded from doesn't do much to assuage my unease.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, you're right, but it's not smoke.
- Louis Gray
Okay, Louis, true. I retract that first sentence. The rest of it, however, I'm sticking by.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva: well I feel a lot better about things today.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Continue just as it is? Or with key changes?
- Karma Martell
I would expect them to post more on this topic soon - on their personal blogs.
- Louis Gray
If that's what Paul wants to promise us, he needs to release some kind of official statement, not send a message through Robert.
- Rochelle
I bet you as part of the contract, its in there not to shut this down
- Stephen Pickering
Rochelle: there are too many unknowns to make a definitive statement yet.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
keeping my hopes up. but i do remember working at a few radio stations that were bought, we'd get a memo saying 'the format is not going to change' about three weeks before we switched to spanish. i think there is just too much here for ff to vanish. keep the dream alive!
- michael sean wright
How can he when it`s lost all of its autonomy? Supplanted by Facebook, bought outright no?
- sofarsoShawn
It couldve been part of the deal not to let the site die
- Stephen Pickering
Robert, like you said, one can hope. However both of us know how corporates work and it takes one small decision from share holders to close down the service, no matter what.
- Nir Ben Yona
They want to get to Facebook and get those unknowns nailed down first.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Holden and Rochelle, etc., let's be patient. If you see the post I put up last night and add Robert's comments here, we should be feeling a lot better today than we did on Monday.
- Louis Gray
Robert, all right. Well, after my initial freak-out over this, I've gone into complete wait-and-see mode. More of these vague promises and 'coming soon' messages don't really do much for me. When someone say something definitive, then I'll be there to consume it. The rest of this just doesn't add up for much.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Thanks, Stephen. I thought it was important.
- Louis Gray
Akiva, exactly, waiting for official word.
- Kol Tregaskes
Nir: the way it was told to me contractually it can't be closed down anytime soon.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I hope they don't change it so you have to have a Facebook account to use it. I have one, but share it with very few; I use Twitter and FF for everyone. I want to be able to use it the way I do now.
- RobinDotNet
Like any takeover/merger, some details just take time to work out. Hopefully FF can stay around in some form and help make FB better. We'll just have to wait and see. Thanks, Robert, for the info.
- Mark Edwards
I agree, we haven`t seen anything substantive in the way of contract etc but fingers crossed.
- sofarsoShawn
But doesn't mean it won't be shutdown at some point?
- Kol Tregaskes
And, Louis, I didn't see your post from last night but I'll read it as soon as I get back from the store.
- Akiva Moskovitz
was Pownce a bit like Friendfeed? I never used it
- Mark
The fact that the FF folks haven't yet said "This is how we want it, so this is how it's going to be" is just evidence that they don't have the final say on the matter. If it's subject to some additional authority/approval, nothing is certain at this point.
- Ken Sheppardson
Kol: it won't be shut down anytime soon. He was quite clear about that.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Kol, the truth is they work for Facebook now, and therefore, FriendFeed can/will change, and it may not change 100% how you and I want. It may be part of Facebook's site later, and it may not. But Facebook is changing from what we know of it now to something new where they overlap.
- Louis Gray
In other words that was in the contract. Makes sense, since they were hesitant anyway
- Stephen Pickering
Robert, OK but maybe at some point though.
- Kol Tregaskes
I sure would like it if FF continued indefinitely.
- Jason Nunnelley
Patience is a good thing. That said, if FriendFeed wasn't growing at a rate much higher than it has been, something would have to change. You don't bottle up such talent and experience and have it work on a product that was losing.
- Louis Gray
Good to hear. I am sure they will take time to decide what exactly to do with FF. How to integrate them together. What to do etc. FF the R&D for FB I think it could be
- Robert Anderson
Robert, true. All a bit vague still though.
- Kol Tregaskes
Scoble: encourage Facebook to keep FriendFeed as a premium brand. Let them tie it to Facebook data or whatever, but keep the system separate.
- Gary
Louis, right, this gives them legitimacy and exposure
- Stephen Pickering
Kol... if they wanted to grow they way they "deserved" to grow, this place would have changed underneath your feet to something you might hate. This is one way to put real capital and people behind the site as it is now.
- Louis Gray
So what? Do they continue try to grow friendfeed as an individual product? Or do they just leave it alive for those of us who actually use it?
- Sam Guzman
If this thing grows by leaps and bounds, FB is not going to close it
- Stephen Pickering
Mark: anytime a blogger says something is dead ALL that means is that it is less interesting than yesterday.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Over time, we will learn, Sam. It's a classical marketing/engineering decision. Do you build for the current user base, or the potential user base? With change. some were bound to leave anyway.
- Louis Gray
Louis, not arguing that at all. My point was about shutting it down or not. I'm at the wait-and-see stage, waiting for more news from FF.
- Kol Tregaskes
And any time I write a headline that says it's NOT dead... maybe I know what I'm talking about. :)
- Louis Gray
But this service grows more useful the more users there are
- Stephen Pickering
Something needs to happen. Twitter is useless now - maybe a new denial of service attack. I would love to see the Friendfeed technology spread to the mass user base that Facebook has.
- Frode Stenstrøm
Yeah, I understand. Maybe some of the extra publicity from the acquisition will lead to an increase in users...curious people signing up to see what it's all about.
- Sam Guzman
Well, at least he acknowledged they messed up.
- Rodfather
oh sweet, I just spent ages adding friendfeed people, setting up privacy and setting up FF to stream to my FB....now this might be a waste of time?
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
Frode: that was what Paul told me too. He wants the tech here to be used by everyone.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Rod, FriendFeed has no PR or Marketing. Maybe if they did, this would have been handled differently. Some things come naturally, and others are hard. But I bet you will see a lot more soon.
- Louis Gray
I've heard the same from another founder, Robert.
- Anne Bouey
Franz, no official word, just wait for an announcement from FF.
- Kol Tregaskes
Companies come and companies go. They can go by closing their doors or by being acquired. Only time will tell whether FriendFeed has come and gone.
- Jeff Sayre
Google Reader is nothing like FF. No one really uses the social features.
- Sam Guzman
GR is trying, but its all wonky and totally un understandable
- Stephen Pickering
Oh. I just don't trust Facebook at all and can barely stand using it after being here.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Jannifer, I think we have to look beyond the caricatures of people like Zuckerberg, and recognize that he too may want the same things we do. Facebook is growing up and I bet FriendFeed and its team is a big part of that.
- Louis Gray
courtney: Paul talked about that too. He said once the team made the decision they knew it had to be closed overnight to prevent it from leaking.
- Robert Scoble
Louis I think its a perfect marriage, genius engineers + genius Marketers
- Stephen Pickering
Real real time would be awesome in Facebook. I really hope it comes soon.
- Sam Guzman
Well, he didn't quite say "prevent it from leaking" but he said "it's important to do it all at once." I knew what he meant, though, that it had to be done fast to keep things from getting crazy, like they do once decisions like this get taken into public sphere.
- Robert Scoble
I am sure paul is truthful in that he would like for it to go that way, but this is a M&A situation, and even if it is written into the agreement, there are a million ways around it. At the end of the day, shareholders make the rules in a majority vote. If ff isn't integrated in fb somehow, I fail to see how it benefits fb.
- Erik Boles
from iPhone
Kol: Paul was emphatic that Facebook is a far more interesting company at this time in both company's history.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Somehow this doesn't sound too convincing. If Friendfeed has been losing a LOT of regular users because of their deal with Facebook, they'd be concerned. Friendfeed is likely to get you to speak on their behalf, since you are their most popular user. Maybe Paul is trying to convince you, so that he can indirectly convince others too. That might save an early end to Friendfeed brought on by the rapid loss of users.
- K N Ajit Narayan
I totally agree with Paul, by the way. Facebook is a much more interesting company to join right now than Google is.
- Robert Scoble
Louis: yeah, Zuckerberg is a lot smarter and a lot more down to earth than most of the press gives him credit for. He's always been straight up with me. Much better than other companies have treated me.
- Robert Scoble
And that's even including getting kicked off of Facebook for 24 hours.
- Robert Scoble
@ Scott, LOL Facebook = Microsoft 2.0! I see your point, but it far surpasses Microsoft Live attempt at a social network.
- Nakeva Corothers
Erik: technologies that have great audiences don't get killed. If anything will kill it, it will be us. By leaving.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, cool. Well if they can ditch a lot of their annoying features, like this FB Lite might be, then I might be interested in moving over with all the FF features implemented but I just can't work with FB in it's currently state. I had another go this weekend and still didn't like it. But I'd be even happier if FF stayed here. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
this is gonna be an interesting story to follow for sure. For now I am just using friendfeed the way I have been and see what comes out down the road. life is about changes.
- (jeff)isageek
sofarsoShawn: I don't know what you're talking about regarding Mashable.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe I missed it earlier in this thread but why can't they just come out and say something directly to the community? Obviously a lot of people are concerned and anxious about it... Why do we have to hear second-hand? And why has it all been so vague? No news is not necessarily good news in cases like this.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Robert, Leo called himself Leo Scoble today because he deleted his 5000 FB friends and moved them over to his fan page
- Stephen Pickering
jeff: yeah. Visiting Facebook is going to get more interesting. He also said that the first month at Facebook (which starts Monday) will be all about learning about Facebook's code. So, no new features will come quickly.
- Robert Scoble
Ok. I hope Facebook changes a LOT so it's more tolerable. Although I don't like it, I need to set up a good Facebook page for business so I can remain competitive.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I hope they do right by you. You brought them to the party. I hope that gets recognized somehow monetarily.
- Jim Posner
Saying that it might be shut down at some point doesn't tell us anything new, though; after all, any site might be shut down at some point due to going out of business etc.
- Tristan Seligmann
When anything comes out of this it was always going to be long term.
- Kol Tregaskes
Can i just add - Paul never said friendfeed was going to die in the first place... instead they said the complete opposite - "FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally. We're still figuring out our longer-term plans for the product with the Facebook team."
- Chris Clayton
I'm not sure why everyone dislikes Facebook. What's wrong with it?
- Sam Guzman
sofarsoShawn, yes, Facebook had been talking to FriendFeed since 2007.
- Louis Gray
Lindsay, I bet the FriendFeed team has a very busy week and maybe you hear from them on all this soon.
- Louis Gray
Robert: "technologies that have great audiences don't get killed..." oh, come on, you know better than that! My dad worked at IBM so I've been seeing tech companies kill great stuff that their customers liked for most of my life!!!!
- Fred Davis
Jim, Scoble has gotten no money from FriendFeed (nor have I). Neither one of us expects to, as that would change the relationship.
- Louis Gray
He said FF would continue operating normally "for now". That was what freaked people out. But I'm glad to hear that Paul and company have plans to keep the service running for the foreseeable future. I wouldn't want to wake up one morning and find my favorite service was shut down.
- Jason Huebel
Fred, right, the Innovators Dilemma, but in this case its cost of running a website is halving every year
- Stephen Pickering
Louis: yes, but Paul told me that when I last was in the office they hadn't yet decided to go to Facebook. Everything happened in the past two weeks. I think you even walked in on one of their key decision points. He said they worked all weekend long on the agreement.
- Robert Scoble
Fred: nothing in life is guaranteed, yeah, you're right. But there's no business reason to turn this off anytime soon. If we all leave there will be.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: e.g., consumer company changes focus to biz or gets acquired... new company direction leads to consumer products getting killed despite popularity... that's just one of many ways that good tech gets killed all the time!!!
- Fred Davis
No disagreement on that at all, Robert. I know I walked in on something big, and that was my mistake for not calling ahead.
- Louis Gray
Seems their valuation stood on Roberts shoulders to some degree. At the least, a public thanks would have been nice.
- Jim Posner
Jason: i know, thats what got me freaked out too - i just thought i would add it in incase anyone missed it :) and because im a little bored! lol
- Chris Clayton
If FF were Twitter, we'd be screaming bloody blue murder about how they don't "get" user communication, etc., etc.
- Chris Baskind
Fred, can you give any examples? Any software I used to use that is no longer available was replaced with something better.
- RobinDotNet
No business reason that WE understand... 'cuz we don;t go to Facebook board meetings ;-) Facebook may have their own agenda... in fact, I assume they do...
- Fred Davis
Jim: I do this because I love it, not because I expect thanks or goodies.
- Robert Scoble
Why even bring this up if they can't talk about it? Nothing has changed just more innuendo and smoke and mirrors and a lot of 'what ifs'. Wake me when there's something concrete.
- Derrick
Robert: when you talk to paul next, can you push him into doing a public announcement on it all? Just give him a nudge in the right direction! :)
- Chris Clayton
RobinDotNet... god, too many to count! First one I was bummed about was in '85 when Musicworks was the best MIDI program on the Mac... got acquired by some jerky game company that decided it wasn't a game and stranded all the users! Yeah, eventually new better stuff came along... but that didn't do the users of the current any good at that time...
- Fred Davis
Derrick: sorry, I totally disagree. I didn't know that contractually they can't kill the service anytime soon.
- Robert Scoble
It makes sense, they had leverage to make that deal
- Stephen Pickering
Fred -- Okay, so that was one that was 24 years ago. Have any more recent examples? If you can't think of any, then they obviously weren't that important.
- RobinDotNet
Because they were hesitant, they had the leverage to make that part of the deal. Makes total sense
- Stephen Pickering
Um, apple buys leading music sequencing package and kills of PC version because, um, they want to force you to use a mac... come on, the list is endless!!! Companies screw customers by killing good products for their own reasons all the time....
- Fred Davis
Sorry, things are moving fast in this thread. There's a contractual obligation on FB's part to keep FF running?
- Jason Huebel
Fred, you keep saying the list is endless, but the only one you can name is one that came out about 2 years after the 1st Mac, 24 years ago. I'm just saying....
- RobinDotNet
Fred, but what if part of the deal was not to kill it?
- Stephen Pickering
This whole "Friendfeed is dead" mantra is, has, and always will be nothing more than an attempt to get attention. Friendfeed is successful and Facebook would never do anything to destroy that.
- Paul L. McCord Jr.
Derrick: believe me, Louis and I have been talking and concerned about the messaging coming out of this deal more than anyone. We both invested a lot of our time/careers here. Louis has been talking with the team too and that's where his post came from yesterday. I suggest you read it and read between the lines too.
- Robert Scoble
Understand Robert, Really not about your motivation, just good manners in my opinion for Friendfeed to thank you publically. Maybe they have and I missed it. I think you did more for promoting the service than the founders.
- Jim Posner
now, what facebook decides to do with friendfeed... who knows... Yahoo kept Flickr going... so far... but that seems like the exception... no one's really using jabber any more, but it lives on in the upcoming Wave and as XMPP at Google...
- Fred Davis
Jim: thanks, appreciate it. Paul did thank me in the interview I did with him right after the announcement was made.
- Robert Scoble
If there is a contractual obligation on FB's part to keep FF running, the obvious question is what does this contract state and does it give a duration. Hopefully we'll hear more later.
- Kol Tregaskes
Why? What would be the point? I respect you two enough and all that you do in the world of social media and that's fine. I want a place I can converse, post my pictures, air my gripes, and continue to establish the friends I've made via Friendfeed. Will I be able to do that or not? I'm so tired of the conjecture. Some of us, are just people who love the service and more than anything, very simply, we just want to be able to utilize it.
- Derrick
Kol: I call it the "Paul is sleeping on the couch for a month" clause. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
For a company like Facebook, I would imagine that the consolidation of branding advantage would lead me to suspect that even if Friendfeed is kept going in some way, it will be re-branded as Facebook... just like Longs, Wamu, and Wells Fargo are going through right in Facebook's backyard.
- Fred Davis
Derrick, this is the place to do that. :)
- Louis Gray
The other main issue I have is that, now we are creating content for Facebook. Facebook owns our data. For some reason I didn't mind Paul and his team, they were blacksheep. If I wanted to make Facebook richer I would type in Facebook in the URL. I dont want to make Facebook richer.
- Robert Higgins
What are the alternatives to FF? Isn't there Streamy, Plurk, SocialThing?
- Eric
Louis, I'll be counting sheep soon, need sleep. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
@Eric, we've been evaluating alternatives in the CloneFeed/OpenFF room. None of them really come anywhere close to what FF offers.
- Jason Huebel
Eric, none of those services are really similar. SocialThing is closest, but FF is still quite a bit different.
- Sam Guzman
Of course, since I'm hoping Grabbit will replace Friendfeed for most people, I'm more than a little biased, and that makes me care a lot less about what happens to Friendfeed... even though I love the service, and hope Facebook keeps it going. We're already planning to support Friendfeed in Grabbit, and the new Friendfeed API is awesome, so who knows what the extent of the disruption...
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- Fred Davis
Sam, I know there is something. I am upset, because I wanted to buy FF someday! :)
- Eric
So the word now is that FF will be around for a while AND Paul's mentioned the possibility that parts of FF might be open sourced. Any idea what parts?
- Jason Huebel
Jason: too early to know that for sure. I'd start with the API. From what my friends are telling me who are good developers the API is actually very well thought out.
- Robert Scoble
Fred: I just don't like Facebook's service for WHAT I DO. For my wife? It's freaking awesome. And the execs there have always treated me very well (Zuckerberg walked around Davos with me, while every other journalist was drooling over the opportunity to do that -- he's a lot nicer and smarter than most people give him credit for).
- Robert Scoble
SocialThing got bought by AOL, and it wasn't as good as FF anyway. You could see people's activity, but there was no real interaction. FF is what it is because of the interaction.
- Sam Guzman
Eric & Jason: my new web thingie Grabbit, will do everything Friendfeed does and more, so much more... it's still in alpha, and the beta won't be out until next month... but already the alpha features better Facebook and integration than Friendfeed, IMHO... so, check out grabbit.net and ask to be on the beta list, and we'll keep you posted...
- Fred Davis
@Louis, I'm not going anywhere either. But this acquisition not only scared people that FF might go away but also that their data would go with it. So there is /some/ need for alternatives.
- Jason Huebel
Fred: can't wait to see more about Grabbit.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Hey dude, I TOTALLY agree with you about Facebook! I've been telling people for a while that I think Facebook is in the process of Yahoo-ing themselves... and that ain't no compliment!
- Fred Davis
Sam, got that in Grabbit... email, RSS, blog alerts, news alerts, and more... plus the coolest friend management stuff to help you sort all that out, not just the messages, updates, and alerts...
- Fred Davis
Mona: if you want me to do something for you, talk Maryam into it first. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Fred: Then I am really excited to try it.
- Sam Guzman
Eric: just like the others you mentioned, it has 1 or 2 similar features, but completely different!
- Chris Clayton
and twitter, facebook, friendfeed, etc., of course... we're starting a signup on grabbit.net...
- Fred Davis
I used to use FeedEachOther which was like FF.
- Eric
Chris: Like the friendfeed stream, you could login and see all your friend's activity, but also see your latest e-mails (Could be easily accessed with a sidebar link, like direct messages). By commenting on an e-mail, you could reply. Just like FF direct messages, but it would send a real e-mail response. Does that make sense?
- Sam Guzman
Google reader is improving, but still has a long way to go. On the social side.
- Bluesun 2600
That's the one thing I've always liked about FriendFeed - the founders (and staff) interacts with the community, as do their family members. The community members were treated like family, too. :) Whatever which way, hopefully Facebook will integrate FriendFeed's functions to carry on the "feel" over there as well. Personally, I have the more the merrier approach! BTW see you Thursday, Robert! Gnomedex sold out!
- Mona Nomura
I'm not up to speed with this discussion, but FB must have bought FF to merge FF tech into FB. FF for everybody, not just Scoble and tech friends.
- Zato Gibson
...would continue as independant application or as zombie inside "failbook"? ;-/
- Claude LaFrenière
Sam: i was actually looking for a way to have the subjects of my emails show up on my friendfeed dashboard awhile ago - do you mean like that? Because that would be awesome!
- Chris Clayton
i would love to see friendfeed get a killer mobile app...maybe improve on fftogo a little more
- (jeff)isageek
Google Reader is my current alternative btw. I've found the share box today and now using it like FF's share box. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Google Reader is great, but it's not built to replace FriendFeed. It's not an aggregator, for one.
- Louis Gray
one thing is I don't think you can share images from pages as easily as FF's share.
- Bluesun 2600
Chris: Yes, maybe have a subject show up in your feed, and clicking would expand to reveal the full e-mail. Reply's could be generated by commenting on the e-mail. I'm sure FF won't integrate this, but I'm just throwing it out there. It's something I wish some social service would integrate. Either that, or make e-mail inboxes more social. Kind of like Yahoo e-mails new features, but better executed. How cool would it be to login to your e-mail and be greeted by a FF like social stream.
- Sam Guzman
i think you can look at two services that were bought up and never really changed all this time in flickr and delicous so hey maybe friendfeed stays around as it is...maybe just integrates a bit more or something with facebook
- (jeff)isageek
Well you can put your services into a folder then create a bundle and share it. But no not quite like FF. It lacks a lot of features and Comments view is awful.
- Kol Tregaskes
and look how long google had grand central before they really even started doing anything with it.
- (jeff)isageek
I guess what I'm saying is, don't keep e-mail so separate from the rest of your online social activity. It should be more integrated than it is now, in my opinion. Why not include it in a service like FF?
- Sam Guzman
So Friendfeed stays on as a side project instead of being abandoned. Does that really make a difference in the grand scheme of things? The service isn't going to grow by leaps and bounds either in audience or functionality now. I guess a slow death is easier for people to deal with than a quick one.
- Dare Obasanjo
Sam: i love that idea... email services dont have RSS (not that i can find anyway) i was looking for 5 hours for one afew months ago so i could put it in a private group to show up on my FF stream. but i ended up being dissapointed!
- Chris Clayton
I hope we all converge over to Google Wave and that some clever sod codes a FF-type service built on the Wave protocol. :-) GWave is great fun to use!
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol: are you going to send me a download link? :P im still waiting for it from the 'sneak peek' survey i filled out AGES ago!
- Chris Clayton
Whhhhhhat how`d you try it already?
- sofarsoShawn
Dare: there are lots of things that don't get many new features but are still very popular. FriendFeed still has way more features and is better technology than anything else I've seen in the marketplace. Maybe someone will eclipse it, but that won't happen soon and, yes, a slow death is definitely better than a quick one. Why? Cause you can make plans and change your behavior.
- Robert Scoble
Download link for GWave? Don't work like that. ;-) Just wait until 30th September, Chris. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Chris, yeah, and I think what I'm describing would take more than just RSS integration. But Kol is right, maybe Google Wave will be the answer :) I can't wait to try it! Especially if other services can be integrated like in FF.
- Sam Guzman
Kol: but september is too long to wait :( blame scoble for making me a social media addict! :)
- Chris Clayton
Robert: if this is just about whether they'll shut off the servers or not then why is this even causing hubbub? Given the complaining of a vocal set of users I'm sure that even if they planned to shut off the site, it'll keep going for a while. However it seems obvious that all their innovative ideas and day time hacking should be filled with innovating on Facebook not here.
- Dare Obasanjo
As both Louis and I have said - these guys have been nothing but actions thus far and haven't let us down. I see nothing changing from that yet, so I suggest everyone continue that trust. They have done nothing to break that trust yet. And like I wrote about, Facebook needs them as much as they need Facebook - Facebook wants to change into something more of what FriendFeed is, from what I've seen and read.
- Jesse Stay
It's not about shutting the servers off for some (most?) folks, it's a matter of how you reconcile FriendFeed and Facebook's views on content licensing, ownership, and privacy; whether we'll continue to see innovation at a pace faster than what Facebook's user base has historically been comfortable with; and whether we'll see a continuation of Friendfeed's openness towards third party developers and the open source community.
- Ken Sheppardson
And as I've said over and over again, Jesse, I think most of us trust the FriendFeed folks as individuals, but that trust doesn't necessarily transfer to Facebook as an institution.
- Ken Sheppardson
I second Ken. Zuckerbergs plans/dreams are also a kind of wild-card here. They could be favorable to us FriendFeed users, or not. Up till now, Zuckerberg hasn't done much favorable for me. That sucks. I wish it were different.
- Meryn Stol
Say what you want about Facebook but Zuckerberg and/or Facebook has revolutionized the Internet by forcing people to be real. (not real-time) It even reflects on Youtube - the commenters aren't as moronic as they were say three years ago, since more and more people are using their real names and identities.
- Mona Nomura
It's always like this and it never turns out the way Paul says it will, though I believe his intentions are honorable. At some point you no longer work for the old company and you start working for the new one. My guess is this has already happened. Soon people from the old team will have their new assignments, and then one day the server will go down. They'll bring it back up, but...
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- Dave Winer
Damn, Dave. And I thought that *I* was a cynic.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, I've been through it myself, and been in Paul's position.
- Dave Winer
Dave, I don't doubt that at all. It's just amazing from my perspective to see it put so honestly. Well put, sir.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Only when I was in Paul's position, I had a simpler situation cause we were developing shrinkwrap software and our mission was supposedly unchanged. We didn't have servers that had to be kept up 24-by-7. Even so, six months after the merger, the whole thing was turned upside down and the team had all-new priorities and tons of people had left, including the top guy (me!). I would get...
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- Dave Winer
Dave, I expect it to change, but I also expect that Facebook is doing this for not just the team they just acquired. I think Facebook really wants this technology.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, that may be true but they'll want it for Facebook. And if you're a fan of Facebook, that's great, Facebook's going to get better. But if you're not? If you're a a fan of FriendFeed? Then all you're going to end up with is a bastardized FriendFeed with lots of dipshit apps.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Jesse: I'm not so sure. The technology will need to be rebuilt for the Facebook infrastructure. That's one reason why Paul doesn't have good answers for us yet. He said he needs a few weeks to really dig into Facebook's code base before he even has a good idea of where he and the FriendFeed'ers can really add value.
- Robert Scoble
Akiva, I'm a fan of both. And you know you can ignore those apps - that's not something you can do on FriendFeed or Twitter. FriendFeed would have gotten just as bad as it grew.
- Jesse Stay
Dave: thinking back on why I joined FriendFeed, it was because I expected that the team would do something interesting in the future. That reason has now been fulfilled and now that these guys are at Facebook it'll be interesting to see what they do.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse, where is the button to ignore the apps? I want to ignore all of them, all the time. Instead, I have to click hide on every single bloody one of them and still get notifications from people wanting me to add apps. I'd tolerate Facebook better if there was a magic "no apps, ever" button.
- Rochelle
Somewhat selfishly, I have just gained a whole load of new friends on Fb, here and on Google Reader and have learned loads about sharing and subscribing for which I thank you all :-) I will just watch and wait now, but I do agree that if everyone dashes off somewhere else and deserts FF, it could well hasten its demise. Best to try and use all the services and interlink them if we can.
- Julia Ault
Rochelle: I want you to install the FriendFeed app. :)
- Louis Gray
I am sure that FB was not happy if FF was going into MS hands or Google hands ,they bought it and now they will be the most important live and live search player on top of the best social community,,I am happy for them and for us as well ,they will keep our home and thats great news
- Johni Fisher
Jesse, this is true. I guess my real point is—aside from the easy-as-punch Facebook app snarking—that the very philosophies on which each service was built are essentially different. I'm not saying that these divergent ideas can't be unified. I'm just not convinced that they're compatible enough to be integrated without irritating one group and overwhelming the other. I'm sure the...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
"I'm just not convinced that they're compatible enough to be integrated without irritating one group and overwhelming the other. " - very well put, Akiva.
- Meryn Stol
Akiva, who says they will become one site? Why not enable the two communities to remain separate if they want, under the Facebook brand? I don't think we know yet what will happen.
- Jesse Stay
Good news because I love friend feed in it's current format.
- Rob Cairns
Robert, yes, we don't know for sure, but then again we don't know for sure - I don't see reason to change too much of our trust until something actually happens. I do know Facebook wants to open up more, while still retaining your right to privacy. The privacy thing is something FriendFeed (or Twitter) doesn't have, and I think would be a welcome addition.
- Jesse Stay
Rochelle, you have to do it either by app, or individual (unless I've missed the option). That said, I would kill for the ability to do that on FriendFeed or Twitter. They don't even have that.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: FriendFeed doesn't have apps, so I'm not sure what exactly you're referring to; if you mean the ability to hide posts aggregated from a particular service, that's already there.
- Tristan Seligmann
Last I checked, Jesse, FriendFeed didn't have MafiaWars or Superpoke.
- Akiva Moskovitz
(If you click on "Hide", and then "hide other items like this one", you get a whole list of options)
- Tristan Seligmann
FriendFeed has a finite number of things to hide ("all items from Bob", "all Flickr posts", etc.). That's much more easy control than the thousands of apps on Facebook. It's like playing whack-a-mole over there. It feels like the more I hide, the more they appear.
- Rochelle
Akiva, Tristan, it's only a matter of time before the auto-dm apps appeared on FriendFeed. So long as FriendFeed grows, they will come. So long as it doesn't grow, it *does* disappear. There's no "hide all from the app that generated this DM" option on FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, and, with all of the hide options already present on FriendFeed, you don't think the devs would have had the presence of mind to include something similar for any supposed FriendFeed apps?
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, I trust that they'll add that as much as I trust they'll continue to fight for FriendFeed at Facebook.
- Jesse Stay
They don't even need any extra options; you can already hide direct posts based on the application that created them. For example, if you hide this post of Robert's, you'll get the option to hide all posts by iPhone.
- Tristan Seligmann
Jesse, I think no-one doubts that *they* will fight. The question is if they win. They're just employees now.
- Meryn Stol
Again, I'm surprised that my own cynicism—legendary in its own right—is being beaten about the face and neck in this thread.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Meryn, I also know the Facebook team - they're just as competent as FriendFeed's. Their original audience started different than FF's, but they too have to expand.
- Jesse Stay
It's hard for innovators to stop innovating, and for entrepreneurs to lose the total freedom and self-reliance that drives them. Every entrepreneur that I know personally (only a few, alas!) who has sold for the big bucks has eventually gone on to create something else.
- Kathy Fitch
Jesse, as I said earlier, my lack of knowledge on the plans of Zuckerberg is the problem. Do you know Zuckerberg? In the end, he's gonna decide what appears on Facebook or not. Also, it's not so much a matter of competence than it is a matter of vision and taste.
- Meryn Stol
I'm sure the FB engineers are competent.
- Meryn Stol
And wouldn't it be fascinating to have a gander at the kinds of separation agreements folks who leave FB must sign? Almost as interesting as seeing the acquisition agreement in this case.
- Kathy Fitch
It's totally unclear if future conversations we might have on FB will ever be indexable by Google. (or any other search engine) That all depends on Zuckerberg's final say. I can't look in the guy's head.
- Meryn Stol
Sure seems like you're scrambling, Robert, to place yourself in the center of this when you were completely blindsided by the sale. Justs sayin'
- Mattb4rd
Louis, nope! Those are two separate worlds for me and I intend to keep it that way.
- Rochelle
Once you stop owning something you lose the ability to make promises about it. Good intentions or no. One hard headed business decision like FF is not earning its keep or we need the resources elsewhere and it's done. Been on both sides.
- Todd Hoff
The only thing that would make a real difference in this case would be an unambiguous statement from Mark Zuckerberg himself. Let him address the FF community and actually say what he will commit himself to. I suppose he's a man of his word.
- Meryn Stol
Hmm. A whole lot of the sale was in stock options. Takes awhile to get fully vested. The next few years should prove very interesting.
- Kathy Fitch
How can you live up to that promises when you no longer own it?
- John D Reasor
....hmmmm, we got the wrong impression then?
- Mark Essel
Nevermind, I'd feel a helluva lot better with an unattached open social media where I could rely on keeping contacts and connections however weak for as long as I chose to continue using the service.
- Mark Essel
Actions speak louder then words, and the key is the final decision is no longer up to him. I am sure Paul means every word he says I just not sure he is going to be able to keep it.
- Kim Landwehr
I don't expect FF to go away right away. I just expect things will definitely be different. I do hope that FB does improve, but I am also branching out given the sale.
- Kevin Whalen
"Promises are a bourgeois invention and, anyway, they're meant to be broken." [V. I. Lenin quoted from inexact memory] by
- ianf ⌘
@louisgray's »If you see the post I put up last night...« <http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...> If you cared for others to read that post, you'd have included a direct link to it. It's the essence of hypertext, and any "Silicon Valley early adopter, tech geek blogger" worth the name would have done just...
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- ianf ⌘
It would make some business sense to keep FF as some kind of separate site/module, if just to stop another site taking it's place and becoming another competitor.
- Robert Littlejohn
Hi Ian! I get what you are saying, but sometimes, dropping links to my own posts in other people's threads looks like spam. I also believe a good number of people saw it, and know how to get it otherwise. That said, it's right here: http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- Louis Gray
Robert - To say Facebook is more interesting to work for than Google may be a stretch. While Facebook is growing exponentially and has challenges, Google faces HUGE challenges just staying Google ... while exploring new areas of growth. Keeping the index relevant is a big challenge in itself. On the other hand ... the 'FF guys' have worked there already and know how they feel about what direction they wanted to go ... which .. I think ... makes a little more sense?
- Charlie Anzman
Charlie: remember most of this team already worked at Google. Facebook is pre IPO. Google is not. The potential rewards are much larger at Facebook and the potential to have an impact is much larger at Facebook too.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Posting links (references) to one's other posts "looks like spam"? That's news to me, and a lame excuse. In any event, given main difference between worlds of analog and digital publishing being ability in the latter case to refer back to source in unambiguous and granular fashion (rather than, as in analog, to indicate issue, chapter, page, verse, line, etc - if at all), not including...
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- ianf ⌘
ianf, I agree, but it feels like spam when you're doing it. Encourage him nicely.
- Bruce Lewis
i suspect that, if FF were to survive relatively unchanged it will be through an open-source effort. i doubt FF will survive as a stand-alone site w/ Fb paying the freight.
- MikeAmundsen
Why don't the FF founders release an official statement saying how long the site will continue and what we can expect if we stay?
- Tomy Thomson
Keep in mind that despite the best intentions, nearly half of all sincere promises end in divorce.
- April Russo (app103)
Robert: I agree that the technology with great audiences don't get killed off, but the name of the game to the shareholders is money. It makes a ton more sense for facebook to integrate friendfeed into facebook, an already monetizable model, vs. leaving it as a de-coupled technology that has to have a new revenue model built for it.
- Erik Boles
With so much money still on the table in the form of stock options, there's certainly plenty of motivation to make FB stellar. If FF ends up being treated well, too (for whatever reason--a promise, a warm fuzzy feeling, its potential role in helping to make FB stellar), then I'm all for that.
- Kathy Fitch
There is a way to argue keeping FF going makes sense to FB: The important thing in social software ISN'T the software, it's the people who use it. If the people who use FF are sufficiently different to those on FB, then it could make sense to keep both services. Possibly they may end up using the same software, but have different brands. Think of VW group in cars (SEAT/Skoda/VS/Audi are...
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- Nick Lothian
That makes me feel better about trying to switch mainly to Friendfeed.
- Hunt
from iPhone
Interesting thread. I think that Paul has the best intention and he will do everything he can to keep the existing service up. Dave Winer has a good summary of the forces he will have to fight against. Making a Facebook vs. Google vs. Microsoft decision was probably a hard one. I am wondering if Twitter was in the race too...Twitter + Friendfeed could have been a great team to go...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
Why the outreach now and not earlier in the week? Has something spooked the FF team? Seeing people looking for alternatives, and poking around Google Reader, Streamy, SocialThing, perhaps? Robert said it himself, if people leave here, FF dies, and the team doesn't have a whole lot to sell to FB (yeah, arguably) and that could scotch the whole deal. So I'm just wondering why the outreach now?
- Dominic Jones
read it from the begining, I'm happy FF crew is beginning to acknowledge the questions, Dave definitely has a point, but all-in-all I thought death was near, it looks like it gets delayed for some time. The main thing is ppl are still here although reader is the new playground...unfortunately the communication with their team isn't all that good...
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Dobromir, "read [297 more comments] from the begining" is not a good advice for anything, least of all here, in the Kingdom of Perpetual Constant Fragmentary Attention Overload, where realtime fly-by comments are the rule.
- ianf ⌘
Robert, thank you for sharing this info. I hope everyone got the message clearly. Wonderful news!
- Michael Fidler
from iPhone
Ok, I hadn't time to read all the comments on this thread. But this sure sounds promising, and I do trust Robert and Louis when they're saying something. So I'm hopeful:)
- Patrik Johansson
It is not whether Friendfeed lives or dies. It's whether our free-wheeling, anarchic, community-driven approach will be replaced by the bland family-oriented guidelines of Facebook. Will we still be able to chuckle of Asian men on a beach, for example?
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
hey all, we can't return to the past, what happen has already happened, now the question is this one, may a micro community survive inside a large community, the answer is YES, FF community can and may have the same social behaviour it has here, and when move to FB, we need just to preserve our connections, and to maintain the same behaviour. that all, but even ancients tribes don't survive without scarifying some of their tradition.
- abdellah
Will Friend feed just get - morphed into Facebook now? clearly they want to take on Twitter. I noticed that I tryed to remove my Friend feed from facebook recently because less techy friends complained that I take over there Friend feeds...! But I can't... mmmm
- PRBristolco.uk
My goodness, there needs to be a way to search comments...I scanned to see if Paul had chimed in, but didn't see that.
- Chad Gesser
Scobe: I hope he does chime in. I think he needs to since you broke that.
- Chad Gesser
Chad: I think he'll say more after he has a little time at Facebook and can give definitive answers as to what the FriendFeed team is going to do there. He told me that will take several weeks.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook is genuinely interested in best in class customer experience. I can't yet envision what features or practices are incorporated or left behind, but it seems a positive move for users. There is always a die-hard loyal following that doesn't want to see their Freind (feed) go away. Heck, I still record The West Wing on Bravo.
- Jeff Marmins
Yeah i sure hope so robert. . i really rather not be on facebook.
- RamirezG
Chad, to aid in scanning, you can do a Ctrl-F (or equivalent) and search the current page for "- Paul Buchheit" and/or install my user script that adds a mini avatar to the beginning of each comment http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Micah Wittman
Scoble, why do you think FriendFeed won't get sacrificed by Facebook management? Most sensible thing, to me, is to get FriendFeed integrated as a feature of Facebook, then eliminate the individual brand. Fact is, it's Facebook's decision at this point, unless the FriendFeed guys got something in writing to the contrary (which likely didn't happen). Sometimes you've got to go with your...
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- Jason Nunnelley
Jason: it doesn't really matter. I've been on Facebook all morning and they already have a lot of FriendFeed's features. Soon the rest will be moved over too. And the servers won't get turned off anytime soon, based on conversations with FriendFeed and Facebook. So, for now, use it and be happy. Me? I've already been spreading out my social networking time just in case.
- Robert Scoble
and before he disappears into a part of the web that I can't find.....how do you say his last name? Boo-Kite? Buck-heat? Really, I don't know and I wanna know. Just so I know, You know?
- Morgan Haley
Türkçe bir global dildir kusura bakmasın da Bret öğrensin :P
- Cem Şahin
Bak görüyor musun Bret? ne varsa bizde var yine! Hani nerede Amerikalı kullanıcılar, hepsi senden yüz çevirdiler, ahh ahhh :)
- Murat Can Demir
o zaman kim soruyor simdi bret'e? "do you know turkish raki?" diye. adettendir.
- Emre Yılmaz
@emre bu videodaki bret'ten davet falan alırsa sebebi sen olursun biliyorsun dimi :)
- halit altunterim
Türkçe yakın zamanda dünya dili olacak diyorlardı, o zaman geldi demek :)
- İhsan Çandır
"burda herkes türkçe konuşuyor ben anlamıyorum ki kim türk kim değil" cem yılmaz olmadan olmaz :D
- Ali Bahşişoğlu
Hope you have a great first week! You know you're starting your new job just as the kids are going back to school. Just think of your first day at work like your first day at a new school.
- Pete Delucchi
from iPhone
Merak ettim şimdi, adam merak edip birisine ricayla ya da parayla bunları çevirttiriyor mudur ki?
- İhsan Çandır
bence google translate den çözmeye çalışıyor yazdıklarımızı!
- Betül (jerome)
o zaman yandık :) farklı anlamlar çıkartabilir
- Ali Bahşişoğlu
google ile uğraşıyorsa işi zordur ama facebook bünyesinde çevirmenler olacağını tahmin ediyorum :)
- Cem Şahin
Ama bize de ayıp, adam heyecanlı, paylaşıyor, facebookda ilk günü yahu. :D Way to go mann! I am sure you ll be doing a great job there. Good luck :)
- Murat Can Demir
bu anlamlarında yeterince yakıcı olduğunu düşünüyorum
- aydın
facebook ofisi pür dikkat toplanmış, türk kullanıcı profilini şaşkınlıkla izliyorlar şu an.
- Emre Yılmaz
Belki çok canlarını sıkarsak adamlar hırs yapar, Türkçe kursuna gider, varsa tabi :)
- İhsan Çandır
hepsi ıslak bergeni izleyip bayılmış da olabilir :D
- Cem Şahin
oktay sinanoğlunun bir kitabı vardı bye bye türkçe bir newyork rüyası diye...orda herkes türkçe konuşuodu vs. filan o rüyayı dolaylı da olsa burda gerçekleştirdik.emeği geçen tüm arkadaşlara yürekten sevgiler ve saygılar!
- Betül (jerome)
Does anyone who speaks Turkish mind explaining what everyone is saying? Short of a real explanation, I will just assume they all say "Bret, you are amazing, and what a wonderful profile picture you have." ;)
- Bret Taylor
adam bloklayacak Turkiye'yi sakin olun. :P @Bret, don't care these guys. :)))
- Oğuz Serdar
burdaki herkes breti facebooktan eklesin yazıktır ilk günü daha 10 tane arkadaşı var syemizde 5000mi bulur daha da kimseyi ekleyemez sonra da facebooktan çıkar gider!
- Betül (jerome)
lan var ya Türkleri hiç bi yere almamalı :D
- delininbiri
@Louis, Google won't help Bret. @Ahmet, sana api kullandirmazsa gorursun bak. :P
- Oğuz Serdar
ooo süper olmuş burası :D @Bret, most of the people here doesn't support the fb. decision. Well, I do. So I'm waiting for the first day pics.
- Onur Baykal
Bence Bret şuan FF'e yeni bir özellik üzerinde çalışıyor.. Bundan sonra post'lar için "Disable Comments From Turkey" seçeneği gelecek :)
- Eren CAN (ec)
türk olmak hiç bu kadar utandırmamıştı!!!!!!
- Şenay Şen
puhahahh.. of, yarıldım ya.. süperiz yaa.. gurur duydum ff türkiye ahalisi ile :))
- Mustafa Öztürk
"tüüü" can mean, let's make more comments like an endless loop :p
- alper*
hugs from lilith not all Turkey. we don't hug men. that's cultural thing. but if you have any girl "msn", share with us. after that maybe we hug you. (with lilith.)
- Emre Yılmaz
uçan sabriden sonra bretden ses alınamadı.
- Ali Bahşişoğlu
Google Translate anlamaz ü,ş,ç etc değersiz
- sofarsoShawn
Ben dedim Uçan Sabri'yi kaldıramaz diye:)
- İhsan Çandır
почему-то русских не видно. а мы есть! )) спросите Скобла
- massagin
adaşım soydaşım sen ne başlattın böyle ne hale gelmiş buralar. yarısına kadar ancak okuyabildim. harbiden Turkish Power yane :P
- Emre YILMAZ
isim vermeden konuş, "geyik yapıp gülen insanlar" olduğunu anlayamayan çok duyarlı ve duygusal *türk* vatandaşlarımız var, sabah işe giderken "pis türk, güldün eğlendin" şeklinde topuklarıma sıkacaklar diye korkuyorum. ok tşk.
- Emre Yılmaz
Bret sana makamit mo ang hanap mo, hangad ko ang iyong tagumpay. Mabuhay!!!!
- Raymundo Roxas
topuğuna sıkanın kafasına sıkarım sana kimse bişey yapamaz. iyi yaptın hoş yaptın :) hep destek tam destek.
- Emre YILMAZ
good luck at facebook bret. how was your first day ?
- goutham
tempus porta velit nec rutrum. Ut dapibus, arcu nec lobortis porttitor, lectus sapien tincidunt lorem, convallis ultrices elit orci nec diam. Duis tempus, felis eu vestibulum ultrices, dolor nibh congue justo
- sofarsoShawn
Whoa. Who knew you were so big in Turkey? :-)
- Adam Lasnik
Senin hiç fikirin var ne kadar popüler.
- sofarsoShawn
some folks are big in Japan, Bret's big in Turkey
- anna sauce
turkish is a global language? really?
- Chris Heath
LOL we are amazing :D Bret, have a goodtime at Facebook...
- Hüseyin Mert
@Bret, have a nice first day at FB. As you see you have huge fan group in Turkey, trying to celebrate your first day there :) Congrats (tebrikler in Turkish)
- Goktug Okan Oguz
You should better leave Facebook, boring people and boring stuff. OK, not so sure about people :)
- Burcu Dogan
kararı facebook verir. bret'in kişisel problemleri facebook'u ilgilendirmez. bence :)
- Ömer Enis
sene 1915 aylardan temmuz güneş enseyi yakıyor,kar dizboyu.Yürüyorum bi yolda o zamanlar otomobil daha gelmemiş türkiye'ye uçaklarda yer bulmak çok zor. Neyse eve geldim ev karanlık,elektrikte gelmemiş daha yaktım mumu,açtım bilgisayarı.Derken bir arkadaşım MSN'den şu anda bu yorumu yazdığım sayfanın linkini gönderdi.Sonra,sonrasıda işte bu yazı ( =
- YUCEL Ugur
Ha bu arada Madem Türksün Göster Ürkün elin ejnebisi kardeşim
- YUCEL Ugur
sunipeyk, hakkında kırmızı bülten çıkartmış interpol!
- Cihan (ch) KALOĞLU
Just forewarning - the public will be overwhelmed. It's too much to launch with, IMO - way too many features. (I'm in the developer sandbox preview)
- Jesse Stay
@Jesse Thanx 4 the forewarning I kind of have that feeling when the video presentation presents itself it will take a while to look around its features. I always take my time to test features
- polou/indigo_bow
I expect a steep learning curve. I've barely started learning about GReader, for that matter. Still, I'll be there when Wave launches, for sure.
- Dennis Jernberg
Unless they fix up a lot between now and then people are going to be very, very surprised (not in a good way!). Release early, release often is great, but I'm not sure people's expectations are realistic.
- Nick Lothian
Let's see what it's like then. Thanks for the info.
- Rick Cogley
Great now how long till Google buys Twitter to integrate it into Wave
- Rob Cairns
Rob, there is already a Twitter extension called Twave that integrates Twitter into GWave.
- Kol Tregaskes
Rob: I highly doubt that Google will buy Twitter as it doesn't fits any were with their existing products and with its integration with Wave what's the point of buying it.
- Usman Bashir
Usman - they will find a way to leverage it into Wave or another product.. I really believe Google is going going to make a big splash with Wave and they will have some big surprises in store. Google is not King of the cloud for a reason:)
- Rob Cairns
I've been secretly hoping that FFers, through one of our A-lister friends, would be reached out to for early invitation. Sept 30 is sooo far away!
- jcunwired
Thank Heavens for Google!! Every Computer User owes Google a Huge Thank U for FREEing us all from the Shackles of Greedy Monopolistic Crappy Microsoft* ;))
- Billy Warhol
I watched the video. So exactly what kind of beast Google Wave is? A social media platform? Can it aggregate as well as FriendFeed? Looks awesome to me. More like a tsunami. lols
- jan geronimo
I'll bump this again. Sorta disturbing that the the Scoble "look at me, I'm part of this" thread has garnered more attention than this. WAVE offers more promise at this point.
- Mattb4rd
Whoohoo - I am really looking forward to Google Wave - great news - thanks Zee.
- Robert Freeze
Hey now, LG, Looney Tunes is frakking awesome. How about Disney buying Pixar? Oh, wait..... (and actually, that one hasn't worked out badly, so is there yet hope?)
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
++ Jandy -> How about Dreamworks buying Studio Ghibli?
- LogEx
*smacks MVB* How DARE you besmirch tinker toys!!! Oh, and what's up with fiddling with your name, you trying to make me get MDV and MVB confused?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Somebody still thinks real journalists don't stay at home in front of their computers in jammies? Anyone who thinks that is way behind. Everyone works that way sometimes in the interactive age of 2009.
- Ken Camp
Hey you have a shirt I should have! :) (Maybe not the exact one...should that be a requirement of all my interviews? You have to provide me a logo shirt?) Nice Jammies... ;)
- Sheryl
You need to wear a suit and a gray fedora with a card stuck in it that says "PRESS" in all caps. And you need a camera with a big, round flash that makes a big poof sound. Otherwise I'll never take you seriously.
- Bruce Lewis
I'm always a little confused by this "pajamas" thing. I guess at newspapers, not every day is Wear Pajamas to Work Day? Here in the tech industry, it pretty much is.
- j1m
At least he didn't say "naked" or "in drag", right?
- Brett Kelly
Yes, commenting here only makes the thread continue. :) But the pillow and sheet were there because I slept on Drew's couch, and that's our make-do bed. The PJ pants and LG shirt are fairly tame, aren't they? My wife's comment on seeing this? "The subject is observed in his natural habitat."
- Louis Gray
Louis can I sleep on your couch when I come out to San Francisco next?
- Jesse Stay
Απαράδεκτος ο e-laywer! Οχι για την υπόθεση που ανέλαβε - άλλωστε είναι η δουλεια του - όσο για το παρακάτω twit, "Να τι παθαίνει όποιος μου βγάζει γλώσσα"(;). Εαν νομίζεις Βασίλη οτι είσαι ο... νέος σερίφης της πόλης, ξέχνα το, στο διαδίκτυο όσοι κάνουν αυτή την απόπειρα συνήθως εγκαταλείπουν την... πόλη πριν την αυγή...
Δεν με αφορά τι έγινε σε αυτή την φάση (επιμένω ο βασίλης είναι δικηγόρος και υποστήριξε τα συμφέροντα του πελάτη του - ΑΠΘ - απέναντι στον Λαζαρίδη. Εμένα με αφορά ο τρόπος που το ανακοίνωσε στο twit του. Δείχνει ρεβανσισμό, απίστευτου βαθμού και αυτό δεν τον τιμά ούτε σαν δικηγόρο ούτε σαν πολίτη ούτε σαν blogger. Γι' αυτό και όσα ήθελα να του πω κατ' ιδίαν προτίμησα να τα γράψω δημόσια.
- papachatzis
Το συγκεκριμένο tweet δεν τον τιμά. Δείχνει μια επίδεξη εξουσίας.
- ThirdEye
Δεν έχω λόγια. Ό,τι να 'ναι. Τέτοια συμπεριφορά από τον "δικηγόρο" "υπέρ του internet";
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
μπομπόλια πράσινα και δυο μέλισσες τριγύρω.... πάει για unfollow και remove από παντού. Τέτοιες φασιστικές αντιμετωπίσεις και συμπεριφορές δεν τις πάω και ούτε τις ανέχομαι. #oust.
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
Μετά από διάβασμα όλων τον σχόλιων, έχω να πω κάτι. Όσοι έχουμε δέσμευση εχεμύθειας με τους εκάστοτε πελάτες μας, καλό είναι να την τηρούμε και να μη δημοσιοποιούμε στοιχεία με τόνο προσωπικό. Άλλο το επαγγελματικό, άλλο το προσωπικό επίπεδο. Κάποιες φορές ταυτίζονται. Καλό είναι να προσέχουμε. Η ελευθερία της έκφρασης είναι ένα πολύ σημαντικό θέμα για όλους μας, είδικα στο...
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- ThirdEye
Βαθιά κομπλεξικό το twitt. Το ορθό θα ήταν το «Να τι παθαίνει όποιος μου βγάζει γλώσσα και με παίρνει να τον κλείσω» Εκεί που δεν σε παίρνει Βασίλη μου θα έκανες αβαβα. Και η δικαιοσύνη θα έκανε αβαβα. Σε παίρνει γιατί το blog που έκλεισε ήταν στο wordpress... Διαβάστε περισσότερα.
- Sykofantis Bastoyni
γιατί χορεύετε τη σάμπα του e-lawyer δεν μπορώ να καταλάβω. Ηξερε τι έγραφε στην τουιτεριά δεν του "ξέφυγε".
- Dark Angel
Διάβασα όλη την κουβέντα στο FB. Ολα τα επιχειρήματα του Βασίλη ήταν επαγγελματικά και νομικά. Στο twitt μπέρδεψε τον blogger με τον δικηγόρο και εκεί το έχασε. Είμαι κι εγώ βέβαιος ότι είναι ένα twitt που θα θελε να μην είχε γράψει. Εκτός αν ήθελε αυτή την συζήτηση... Υ.Γ.: όντως είναι σημαντικό ότι ο Βασίλης ολοκλήρωσε την υπόθεση χωρίς να γίνει άρση του απορρήτου.
- constantinos alexacos
hmmm, well some of us lived through it - does that make me retro? :)
- WorldofHiglet
Have it your way! I just got a FF account.
- Aaron Nelsen
I’ve been using search a lot lately, and I’m amazed at the number of people who use friendfeed, but I’m equally amazed at the number of people using it primarily as a form of storage. Sadly, I do come across people who are trying to participate, and are for the most part, going unnoticed. I came across a stream today that was amazing, yet there were only a handful of comments and likes...
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- Michael Fidler
See my feed, we have this on the family room tv now. Can't really do that with twitter, also wouldn't be as compelling
- sean percival
So your feed's a family channel. I see ;)
- Micah Wittman
Michael: what's the feed? Did you click like on it?
- Robert Scoble
Yes, It was a picture of an attractive women sitting on a stair case in a purple dress.
- Michael Fidler
Michael, I think that in order to have a stream which is noticed, one should participate in some high profile discussions (with lots of other participants). This requires a lot of time investment (so I don't do it myself, at least not enough), but I think it is the only way to get noticed.
- roland legrand
As Roland said, more or less, people who participate in conversations on other peoples' posts will get the same back on theirs. (Or at least that's my theory; wish it'd pan out more often for me, though.) If people decide not to participate in the community (really, communities, there are more than one here), when so many others are, perhaps that's not so much a problem with the community but with the 'loners' themselves. And there's no easy cure for that.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Roland and Chris are right. Participate and people are much more likely to notice you and contribute to your posts. I think a lot of people are unwilling to comment/like a post by someone with only a handful of likes and comments.
- Michael McKean
For anyone interested, I think this is the post with the attractive woman in the purple dress that Michael is talking about. Malevi4's feed contains superb photos indeed: http://friendfeed.com/malevi4...
- Brome
That's true Roland, but not everyone is as comfortable initially when it comes to engaging in discussion. Some people might feel intimidated at first, and need an introduction, or something along those lines, in which to make them feel more comfortable. I have some ideas which might help, but it’s going to take some cooperation, and I need to work them out a little more first.
- Michael Fidler
@Michael McKean I am not sure they are unwilling in a sense of retaliation "you don't participate so I will not respond to your stream". That would be rather sad, because maybe a "loner" has really interesting things to say. I think it is far more basic: people actually don't discover you that easily when you don't participate in big discussions.
- roland legrand
@Michael Fidler Please keep me posted about your ideas, I'd love to hear more about it! I am doing some online community work myself as a journalist, and I think it is crucial to find ways helping people to engage in discussions.
- roland legrand
Well, I just think that people may prefer to interact with people who are interacting themselves.
- Michael McKean
Michael, it took me years to reach the point when I starting putting my thoughts on the internet in a public way. For me it was years of receiving so much benefit from experts & laymen committing their ideas, advice, musings up for me to find that I felt compelled to give back. But it was almost a transformation internally for me, and part of it was hitting a confidence threshold in putting my name on the line. I don't know what percentage of people might be in my shoes of the past, but thought I'd share.
- Micah Wittman
Roland, I would be happy to share them with you. For the most part I agree with you, but I also believe there are exceptions. If the community could do something for those people, I think it would be worth the effort. Thanks Micah, I really appreciate you sharing that, and I would have never guessed it, unless you said something. It’s not a simple problem, and it does raise a lot of issues, which at the very least should be discussed. That's why I brought it up in the first place.
- Michael Fidler
it would be interesting to see how many 'lurkers' there are on FF in comparison to other places. My feeling is ppl lurk less here, but that is not backed up by any stats
- WorldofHiglet
:) Nick! Micah: I think you are right - I am absolutely the same (now you can't shut me up!) but it takes time to warm up to a community unless you are used to participating. I would think that ppl who don't participate here don't participate other places either. And as for the ppl who share great things but remain 'undiscovered' that is a great pity. It seems like the way it works is...
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- WorldofHiglet
Michael: the reason that feed isn't getting engagement is because it's crap. The person isn't uploading his/her own work. He/she doesn't participate. He/she writes in a style that seems spammy. He/she isn't uploading work that's conversational. So why, again, are you expecting me to engage on this? There's a REASON why people don't get engaged on. It's not worth engaging on these.
- Robert Scoble
The person we are talking about has 23,000 comments. Of course, they might be on his own things. I brought this up because I thought it should be discussed. I mentioned that I have some idea's that could help, but It will require an effort from more people than just myself. I followed him, so I guess I did my small part.
- Michael Fidler
Michael: did you read the comments? They are automated comments and are NOT real comments where he/she is engaging on other people's items. At least not that I can tell.
- Robert Scoble
Fidler: it sure looks like a bot to me. It doesn't look human. There's a reason why people don't get engagement. I read tens of thousands of feeds. I'm pretty sure most of the good stuff is getting engagement at this point. When people aren't getting engaged on, it's because they are crappy in some way.
- Robert Scoble
For the record, he's only one example, who I came across today. There have been others, as well
- Michael Fidler
Michael: let's have them. URLs please! I'm always looking for good new stuff that I've missed for some reason, but YOU need to promote them to all of us! I'm watching your feed, by the way. Haven't seen a lot on there that I've missed. Not everything deserves engagement, by the way. Most content never does get engagement. Just ask the book industry about that one.
- Robert Scoble
I flipped through a bunch of pages worth. You'll see one of the only posts that got significant likes was http://friendfeed.com/funny-p... which had some authenticity "caught it on the street" feel to it, and it was also Bookmarklet derived unlike most of the other auto/rss feed material.
- Micah Wittman
Speaking about followers and interaction, how come this lady has managed to follow so many people, with only 9 comments in her background? http://bit.ly/1aghJb
- Nir Ben Yona
I agree with you for the most part, Robert. Perhaps the only purpose this will serve is to raise a few people’s awareness so in the future, "the exceptions" don't accidentally fall through the cracks. I'm sure you know that I brought this up with the best of intentions.
- Michael Fidler
Her comments are actually just bookmarks.
- Eric Logan
Fidler: the thing is, I'm pretty sure you're wrong. Especially since you're the solution (you like stuff, everyone sees it, and all those items get engagement).
- Robert Scoble
Nir, She's go a 1% reciprocal subscriber rate. That's about right for junk mail / cold calling. But in absolute numbers it gives her an audience of ~600, which is more than that of many active FFers I know. But here's the thing. The people who subscribe back to a indiscriminant serial subscriber are not worth much and are likely clueless or serial subscribers themselves. I'll take the smaller, fantastically smart and interactive group surrounding me thank you very much :)
- Micah Wittman
Thanks Robert! I'll take that as a compliment:)
- Michael Fidler
Micah, you're totally right. I wish FriendFeed could let us search for people with lets say 1000 Likes and 1000 comments, in addition to the other filters, available.
- Nir Ben Yona
The biggest mistake I made here was using the twitter to friendfeed tool. I'm still unfollowing people who don't share anything here, Many of which I don't even follow on twitter anymore.
- Michael Fidler
Nir, yes, that would be interesting.
- Micah Wittman
I also made a twitter related mistake. Someone reported how to add other people's twitter followers here, so I added one of the prominent friendfeed user's twitter followers - then added several more peoples. I added them to my home feed. That was the mistake. It took me till yesterday to find the part of ff that lets you remove people from a list in bulk. I removed about 250 people...
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- Chuck Baggett
Wow, so much to answer. To start with Robert's tweet, the reason you get lots more followers on Twitter than here is that spammers know FriendFeed isn't useful to them. Not that all your followers there are spammers, but probably a lot of them are.
- Bruce Lewis
roland legrand: The discussions you need to participate in to get noticed aren't necessarily the high-profile ones. They're the ones on topics where something you've posted adds insight. Find discussions on topics where you can really add something. I wrote more about this here: http://friendfeed.com/brlewis...
- Bruce Lewis
WorldofHiglet: People who share great things but are 'undiscovered' are a pity, but they're also an opportunity. If you introduce them to others through 'Like', you'll increase your own reputation as a source of great content. That's an important social force: People gain popularity within their own circle on FriendFeed by looking outside their circle.
- Bruce Lewis
Robert - they come from your activities out on the web and being published in newspapers, etc. Why aren't they on FF? Because they probably do not know about it. Twitter is getting so much MSM attention. Plus, FF needs better blogging system integration ;) I'm just playing around on this one (testing the microphone) but decided to talk about FF ... http://www.layneheiny.com/node... -- you can add to the debate by adding your top 3.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Zee: Seth Godin is a great guy, great author, great speaker, very well known, etc. But no way is he the top social media blogger.
- Robert Scoble
Agreed. Like Godin's insight but he isnt regular enough. Also really like Jeremiah!
- Richard Zeidel
I subscribe to Seth's blog and have yet to figure out why there is such a fuss about him. Chris seems to put more effort into his posts and write things of significance.
- Chris Luckhardt
If you turn off comments (engagement) and blog about engagement (with comments off) then you get lots of linketylinks (Google love) in. Helps with those stats :)
- Laurel Papworth
@virante agree with you. I think Seth is more intellectual from Brogan and he is not social media blogger. And I don't say that Brogan isn't great! In fact, he is!
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
Love your post. I stopped following Seth a while ago for the same reason. He does not participate in the conversation. He writes posts high above from the mountain of Social Media Gods (SMG).
- John Flynn
The # of people he follows and learns from is an indicator as to his view of his role in the conversation...I mean monologue,
- Kevin Murray
In fact, thinking about it, it is hard to pick between Brogan and Owyang. I should have named both.
- Robert Scoble
Agreed. Great stuff, but Seth's not interested in conversation. Since that's the case, how can he possibly rate high in the social media space?
- Leo Bottary
I like the perspective Seth brings to Social Media, but I agree that he's not participating as much as others. How are we defining "top"?
- Joel Zehring
I think the behaviors of many people claiming to be the "best" of something will be monitored more closely now that FF is around ... I watch the number of people "these bloggers" subscribe to and watch for their participation ...
- LPH™ and his dog P™
methinks that Seth is not blogging about Social Media, but about marketing.
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
That list doesn't seem particularly focused. Bunch of great sites there that don't seem SM to me. I can't believe they didn't run them past me first. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
Joel: the blog that made this list is using popularity ranking algorithms. Judging people by popularity will take you down a bad path.
- Robert Scoble
Seth is like God. He disappears for a long time then pops up with the old miracle. He's a good helicopter view of what's going on whilst people like Scobles and Chris Brogran are the day to day practioneers. You need both.
- Ross McMinn
Definitely Brogan is much better. I think Godin is miscategorized here. That said he's not conversing much in any space, just thinking out loud, which is great, but not so much social.
- Bailey McCann
I think we need universal portable influence metric - something peer mediated - micro celebrities need community validation.
- Richard Zeidel
Zee would be in the conversation. At least if I were having the conversation.
- Matthew DeVries
I don't even know Chris Brogan - maybe I should..
- Arnaldo M Pereira
I like it that Seth doesn't participate in everything. It makes it easier to follow him. Has anyone tried to email him or connect through his "Tribes" projects?
- Joel Zehring
what apostolos said. seth is marketing, not social media.
- James
Joel, that's like saying Chuck Nevitt is the best basketball player, because he's so easy to follow, cause most of the time he's on the bench, and the 3 minutes a season he got to play, he moved very slowly.
- Matthew DeVries
I'd say Amber Mac would be up there, but I guess she's more like the little girl who gets every freakin new toy on the planet the day it comes out, tells everyone it's a great toy, then tosses it aside, and goes back to playing with movable type.
- Matthew DeVries
Good guy, but last I checked Seth doesn't even tweet!
- Ryan Miller
from Nambu
Ryan: we were on a radio show together and he told me he doesn't Tweet. I tried to get him on friendfeed and he didn't have any part of that.
- Robert Scoble
Seth is tops in several areas....just not social media; not even close..I'm sure he would agree
- Daniel Kenney
Seth is definitely a top blogger..but because social media is about conversation, then you're right...others have a right to that honor.
- Bill Reichart
Seth is a snake oil salesman, but Chris Brogan sees him as a role model. I've predicted that Chris will be the first to Tweet from the Lincoln bedroom in the White House.
- paul mooney
Maybe they should call him the top social media spammer. He's broadcast-only. Woot for Chris Brogan though.
- Dave Saunders
Seth Godin uses email primarily to respond to people - he doesnt believe in the other media and he has explained that in some of his interviews. Chris Brogan on the other hand uses social media channels extensively and in my opinion should rank higher as a social media exponent.
- Mahesh Patwardhan
blogger or not.. moot question... is seth a good "social network" or "web2.0" (as much as i dislike that term!!!) media personality... *no* he's hardly a participant - he's more a "dictactor" - one way communication (mostly)... still worth reading i guess if you're into that sort of marketing guffy stuff (i'm only into technical stuff :) ...
- simran
I like Chris Brogan and Perry Belcher too!
- Vicki Z Lauter
I agree that Seth, smart as he is, is not representative of social media blogging. Having said that, what makes us so sure Chris Brogan, and I love Chris, Or Jeremiah, who I also love, are more engaged than Susie from Detroit? Because their numbers are higher hence the stats ranking. Why are their numbers higher? Because they're sort of viral. I often wonder how people become popular....
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- Sheryl
Chris Brogan I know about and I follow on Twitter and FF, I just Googled Seth Godin, wasn't sure who he was....
- Mike Nencetti
I don't feel like I should weigh in or anything, but I wanted you to know I'm listening and I'm here. I really love what Seth does. I read him religiously. He's NOT a social media blogger. He writes about marketing. That said, he writes about the part of social media that matters to me: how humans can be more human. So, to me, he's still #1, because he's writing about humans, and that's...
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- Chris Brogan
see what I was tolding ya? 1) Seth is not a social media blogger 2) both Chris and Seth are the best on what they do ;-)
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
For the record, Wolverine is the best at what he does. I'm just a working schlub.
- Chris Brogan
I like and respect what both Chris and Seth have to say tremendously. Not sure I care that much about who is the "top" blogger or whatever because either way I'm gonna keep reading their stuff and learning.
- Miguel Rodriguez
I do appreciate that Chris is present here (hi Chris!) and feel that his participation in "the discussion" adds another dimension to his insights. I wonder sometimes why Seth limits his interaction. When he's on camera being interviewed, such as by @loic most recently, he seems quite comfortable.. why that comfort doesn't extend to places like FF and twitter I am still scratching my head over.
- Miguel Rodriguez
Seth reminds me of Yoda, Chris reminds me of Obiwan. First one's cool, simple, philosophical, and ass-kicking. Second one's down to earth, practical, trained in highly useful Jedi stabs for day to day fights. Follow both, learn from both.
- waraney rawung
How would you classify Gary Vaynerchuck in the Marketing/Social Media environments?
- Owen Greaves
I had an interesting connection w/ Seth. Back when I was doing Biznik Live interviews, Seth's answer was to ask about our listener numbers. ("10k gets my attention"...Understandable from a guy who is #5 in Google out of 3 billion hits for "blog") However, when I sent him a video of Bizniks discussing Tribes, he liked that & agreed to an interview. It was an experimental brady-bunch style video interview on the importance of Tribes in business. Edited version: http://tinyurl.com/r9f9qz
- Leif Hansen
@ChrisBrogan I bet being compared to ObiWan just made your day ;) I think I'm probably more like Luke -whiny guy with father-figure issues who gradually grows into his vocation through the grace/luck of the force and of friends and some serious hard knocks with his own dark side. Though I've got plenty of Solo juice flowing through my veins as well :)
- Leif Hansen
I agree with Chris, but Chris and Jeremiah are still up there IMO, especially when it comes to Social Media specifically.
- Jesse Stay
Apart from the fact Chris Brogan is hardly even here lol
- Rob Sellen :o)
That's my point...shouldn't he be on the list?
- Owen Greaves
But seriously, oranges are so much better than apples. Come on guys...
- Leif Hansen
We know Scoble doesn't like lists. He really doesn't like those where it's easy to find holes in the lists. If this were written as "200 Social Media Blogs" with stats, and without rankings, it'd be easier. I was just surprised to see I was included at all.
- Louis Gray
But Louis, You are a legend here :)
- Owen Greaves
Great point about Godin not participating. In my niche there are some "experts" who have huge following numbers, but follow very few themselves. If you don't interact with your followers are you really participating in the conversation?
- Richard Byrne
Godin doesn't need to participate... he has sneezers. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
@Rob Sellen - Yeah, I'm not really deep into FriendFeed. I use it, and try to stay on top, and I get that lots of people say it's a big next stage. This is where Seth and I agree and are somewhat alike: we both believe you don't have to be present at EVERY conversation at every touchpoint. He picks his places; I pick mine. I just find the velocity of the social web to be more my speed. He likes email. No foul.
- Chris Brogan
Nothing wrong with that... ;o) .. just thought it odd for someone to say somone is the top social media blogger and not be in the social media sites itself... after all, that's exactly what scoble has said in the title here ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Why Mike, do you think that? what is it that Chris does that's so different to anyone else?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Not a chance. And Seth doesn't make it as top marketing blogger either.
- AJ Kohn
@Rob - oh, I'm in tons of social media sites. I just don't spend all 14 of my working hours in each one. I don't use Utterli, Plurk, Jaiku, Hyves, Orkut, Digg, Sphinn, and 300 other folks either.
- Chris Brogan
like scoble you mean? or was that 7 hours lol? I never said you weren't in any, just that scoble posted that here... and you are not here as much, nor is seth.. so scoble to me was just replacing one for another, if that makes any sense? :o/
- Rob Sellen :o)
Woot woot "Seth Godin is the top social media blogger?" - nawwwwww.. he's the world's biggest liar.. hey after all he did write "all marketers are liars" !! He connectes with people because of his views and he also disconnects to people b'coz of that too.. As for interaction and collobrative particiaption.. hes got his nose still stuck n da air.. yeah Chris wins hands down !
- Peter Dawson
One thing I will say about Seth, ha can say a lot in few words... other times he says things that are a bit broad... but if it makes you think, that is the point. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
So Scoble chose FriendFeed. I've chosen Twitter. He also really loved the hell out of Facebook and used it up. I didn't. Which tools you use doesn't make you a better or worse social media person. How you get the job done counts the most to me.
- Chris Brogan
I agree... just thought it odd in the context of friendfeed you know. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Agree Chris. Darth Maul's double-edged sabre is as useful as Yoda's tiny one. I'm a beginner at social media, and trying to keep in touch with what's new and what's useful. You, Scoble, Seth and many others have been very helpful for a rookie like me.
- waraney rawung
What is a social media blogger, and why don't I get on this list? I've been doing this longer and better than any of you guys. Geez Louise what's a guy gotta do to get a little recognition.
- Dave Winer
Which reminds me, a lot of early adopters in Indonesia are using FriendFeed, but they're not really into discussions in FF. On the contrary, geeks in Indonesia love and are very active in Twitter and Plurk (sometimes behaving differently in each site), with Facebook as their personal online central nerve.
- waraney rawung
@DaveWiner - here here. You're who *I* read, anyhow. : )
- Chris Brogan
shouldn't that be "hear hear" sorry... lol. that's coming from a deaf bloke! ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
@Rob - Beats me... what do I know? : )
- Chris Brogan
I wouldn't even call Seth a top marketing blogger, jeez
- Sally Church
lol... I see that alot, and wonder if it should really be hear hear... makes more sense that would. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I think it probably is. Like "hear hear" me?
- Chris Brogan
yeah, what I was thinking...even if I can't "hear hear"" lol... . ah well. we learn sommat new everyday...
- Rob Sellen :o)
Gotta run, Rob. Thanks for the chat hidden in Robert's rant. : )
- Chris Brogan
lol.. welcome mate.... hang on.. does Robert NOT rant? ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
The 'what tools you use' debate is interesting. While I agree that, as long as you get the job done, the tools don't matter, there's also the ability to understand new paradigms. It's difficult to talk about and grok something without really immersing yourself in it. I didn't get blogging until I really did it. Ditto Twitter. Certainly FriendFeed. They *are* different ... meaningful...
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- AJ Kohn
I really like the comment on social media being about connection vs. the technology that allows it to take place. That is one reason I enjoy friendfeed so much more than twitter & even facebook. Much easier to connect and join conversations with people. I find myself looking at stats of who I am listening to much less in here than twitter. The result, better conversations, more...
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- Kevin Murray
I think Seth is great at what he does, I'm just not sure "Social Media Blogger" is the right description. Perhaps evidence that that's not his focus is that a conversation of this magnitude can go on without his commenting/participating. For anyone interested, here's a post from my blog about something recent I have disagreed with Godin about: http://tinyurl.com/po62js
- Brian Broveleit
thats ok Morten..as long as it's not while sat in the corner on his own ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
lol - what's so impressive about @chrisbrogan is that he responds - or at least gives the impression that he does. He works like a maniac. And he _gets_ what _it_ is. This makes his posts small gems of insights, even the less revolutionary ones.
- Morten Blaabjerg
lol "gives the impression that he does" - what does that even mean morten?
- mike "glemak" dunn
Agreed that Chis walks the talk and puts out great stuff.
- John Blossom
Seth Godin is practical and sees through the hype - something that most social media commentators are guilty of.
- BLOGBloke
Seth may be an expert in his own realm. Social media is certainly not it, but I have heard Seth make some valuable points about how to not use social media. Obviously Chris is doing something right, as evidenced by showing up to speak him mind, and pay Seth some respect. You gotta respect guys like Chris, Robert, Dave, and Louis (who are the ones on the tip of my tongue right now) -...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Ditto Robert! What is it with the "online marketing copywriters" all wanting to act like they're the top social media bloggers now? Oh... that's right... social media is the hip thing! Thus they flock to it. I respect Seth for particular forms of copy writing, but lots of better social media bloggers... like Chris Brogan, like Leslie Poston, like you, and others.
- Arleen Anderson
Amen x heaps! Seth is a genius... but certainly doesn't spring to mind in the context of "top" in social media. Chris is for sure in my top 5!!
- Mari Smith
Chris Brogan is the best example of what bloggers should try to achieve, IMO. Like any great writer, his stuff is worth reading even if you are not close tot he subject of a particular post. That means a lot.
- randulo
Agreed. Seth stuff is good, but he does he even get social media?
- Warren Whitlock
@glemak There are limits to one's attention span when you've got a lot around your ears (like Chris has) but it means a lot that you give the impression that you're listening and responding, even though you may not always be on your high marks. Noone can be. It's only human. But appearances still matter and are greatly appreciated. Chris is good at that too.
- Morten Blaabjerg
Thanks to those who mentioned me. Scoble is for sure one I looked up to and still do.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah isnt the best at what he does - he's just the only one who does it! ;) - let's not be exclusionary - thank you to all the top minds for sharing.
- Richard Zeidel
I think Chris Brogan is THE man. Many of the social media experts are now engaging only with those who are also 'experts' and not with the new comers or followers. Brogan, on the other hand, very rarely to missed a conversation. As for marketing bloggers, I still stand behind Kyle Lacy as the best one.
- Gambit Fauri
Seth "gets" social media tools but he is not the top participant--where Chris is. I am dubious, however, of claims that Seth is not a conversationalist. Have you ever sent him an email? He personally takes time to respond to every email thoughtfully and quickly, which is more than I can say for a number of social media stars (or even myself).
- Jeremy Floyd
Lately I have been reading more of Chris has to say, that said does it really matter who is the top?
- Chet Woodside
SCOBLEIZER - Do you grant variance from the "No deleting your comments and altering the thread mother fuckers" rule if you're doing it simply to kill a thread from your "My Discussions" filter so it stops popping like popcorn on your notifier?
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: that is an interesting problem. I wish clicking "hide" were good enough for that.
- Robert Scoble
Godin doesn't allow 2-way participation, thus negating the openness principle of social media (no replies on his blog, not on twitter). He's just repurposed the blog to act as a writing platform for material for his books. He's very tactic based and without a huge depth of substance, but that's what people like; though it's not necessarily good for them.
- Aaron Shields
as a technologist, focused on emerging media yet appreciating the fine art of marketing - i learn little from seth (noise) and tons from chris (signal) - that's my experience of course, your mileage may vary ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Our flying Dutchman makes the Reich Museum look like a tourist trap. Should be on the top 5 things to do when you are in Amsterdam. Very bright, clear thinker. If you ever get fired for being "too open with your ideas" Chris you can work for me!
- Chad Harris
Chris Brogan is an active interlocutor in ways Godin isn't. Still, who is #1 isn't as important as who is providing content that you need. I respect Godin. Have read lot of his books. But still, Brogan is my fav.
- Prof. Pamela Hood
Seth is a pure-play Social Media thought leader. Chris participates in the SM stream so he gets my respect for walking the walk and talking the talk.
- Michael McDermott
I'll give props to Chris Brogan in this so-called "social media" space, insightful, valuable, interesting. And I will give a lifetime achievement award to Dave Winer, I was reading Scripting News BEFORE the word "blog" was coined by EvHead and MegNut. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Winer "teach" you how to blog Scoble? One thing that continues to exist that I wish would go away, but probably never will is this whole "leaderboard" mentality... is there some contest? <sigh>
- .LAG liked that
I agree with Scoble, Chris is here in the trenches and impressively dedicated.
- anthonycospito
Methinks Brogan is sending his cousins over here. :-)
- BLOGBloke
In my view the better a Blogger is the more comments they will receive. Seth Godin does not even have comments enabled on his blog.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Shows how "social" he is at the very least. I don't completely agree that a blogger needs to receive comments to be "better" - but you can't really be a "social" media blogger without being "social".
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
RT @AurelieGR Σοκ! Μόλις έμαθα ότι γνωστός μου πήγε αυτόφωρο για σπάσιμο κλειδιού Nova (ο ίδιος είχε γνήσιο)! Τον πάνε για κακούργημα!! (via http://friendfeed.com/interne...)
You should get the Qore game programmers to put you into one of those mini-games!
- Jason Wong
Whenever I see the thumbnail of the picture of you with the wrestling belt on, in thumbnail size it looks like a bare midriff, with a HUGE hairy belly button, and my subconscious that completes the image revolts me for a second, forcing me to us the conscious mind to click on it, blow it up to full size and calm my subconscious down, else the subconscious will not let me go on with my day.
- Matthew DeVries
Dang!!! That's a big gun for such a small lady(LOL)
- YoYo_P
"Luxury goods are needlessly expensive. By needlessly, I mean that the price is not related to performance. The price is related to scarcity, brand and storytelling. Luxury goods are organized waste. They say, "I can afford to spend money without regard for intrinsic value." That doesn't mean they are senseless expenditures. Sending a signal is valuable if that signal is important to you."
- Arnaldo M Pereira
from Bookmarklet
I prefer happyness. But happyness not from money, fame, status quo etc nor by job. Happyness because you do what you want, you live how you want. Not money-driver, but yourself-driven. :-)
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
That's an almost impossible to achieve state of mind. At least for me. :)
- Arnaldo M Pereira
hahaha epic XD there is another pic too which says "recommended search for you" or smth like that and the results beneath are "suicide" lol :P also a captcha which says RETARD :P goog knows us XD Lol
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
Και δεν είναι μόνο αυτό φυσικά αλλά τουλάχιστον αυτό δίνει βάση σε μια συζήτηση...
- Simos Kosmetatos (e-go)
το FF είναι καλύτερο απο το twitter. Απλά το twitter είναι πιο απλό και straightforward
- Chris Pantazis
όχι νομίζω ότι και τα δύο έχουν τα καλά τους και τα κακά τους - αναλόγως τί θέλεις να κάνεις. Δηλαδή αν θέλεις να κάνεις μια συζήτηση και να την παρακολουθήσεις χωρίς απαραίτητα να είσαι online συνέχεια τότε το twitter δεν αρκεί (γι'αυτό δεν ανακαλύφθηκαν τα hash tags ας πούμε;). Από την άλλη αν απλά βλέπεις τί κάνει ο κόσμος και ο κόσμος θέλεις να βλέπει τί κάνεις εσύ το twitter είναι μια χαρά.
- sofiagk
το ερωτημα ειναι: υπαρχει κατι στο twitter που δε το εχει το ff; πιστευω πως οχι
- Save As : Panos
επί του παρόντος; σίγουρα. brand visibility
- sofiagk
το twitter είναι η επόμενη μεγάλη "φάση" για το starter κοινό. Όμως δεν είναι τόσο fun όσο το Facebook και ίσως το βαρεθούν γρήγορα. Όμως θα μπουν σε μια "διαδικτυακή συνήθεια" που στη συνέχεια το Friendfeed θα είναι γι'αυτούς ότι πρέπει... Πάντως microblogging χωρίς φωτογραφίες δεν γίνεται. Κι εκεί είναι το μείον του twitter. Εκεί και στις συζητήσεις....
- Simos Kosmetatos (e-go)
αντιθέτως, εγώ το βρίσκω λίγο δύσκολο να ξεκινήσει μια συζήτηση στο friendfeed. Λόγω το ότι χάνεται μέσα στο όλο stream πάρα πολύ γρήγορα. Ενώ π.χ. στο twitter υπάρχουν τα @replies. Δεν χάνεις κάτι.
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
ναι αλλά κάθε φορά που προσθέτεις εσύ ένα σχόλιο, επανέρχεται το θέμα στην πρώτη σελίδα. Άσε που άμα πατήσεις στο προφίλ σου "comments" εμφανίζει όλα τα σχόλιά σου. Επιπλέον, εγώ που φιλοξενώ το αρχικό, δέχομαι email κάθε φορά που κάποιος σχολιάζει για να δω την απάντησή του. Στο Twitter απλά ψάχνεσαι και όταν βρεις την απάντηση και απαντήσεις, 8 ώρες μετά, ο άλλος ψάχνεται τι του λες και για ποιο θέμα..
- Simos Kosmetatos (e-go)
δέχεσαι email? από πότε? Απ' την πρώτη στιγμή αναζητούσα αυτό το option! έ-λ-ε-ο-ς!!!
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
δέχομαι όταν σχολιάσετε σε κάτι που έγραψα εγώ πρώτος εδώ - settings - email pref - τσεκ για όποια ενέργεια θες να ενημερώνεσαι μέσω email ή μέσω im
- Simos Kosmetatos (e-go)
όμως εάν εξαιρέσεις το Gtalk δεν υπάρχει κάποιος client για το Friendfeed. Στα μείον αυτό για εμένα.
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
άμα αναπτυχθεί θα υπάρξουν. Αλλά είναι αρκετά πλήρες για να μην χρειάζεται κανέναν σε αρχικό επίπεδο. Όχι όπως στο Twitter που ψάχνεις να βρεις γιατρειά εδώ κι εκεί...
- Simos Kosmetatos (e-go)
ναι, αλλά δεν είναι λίγο δύσκολο να έχεις πάντα ένα tab ανοιχτό στον browser μόνο για το Friendfeed? Βέβαια, τώρα εγώ από το Gtalk γράφω το σχόλιο.. Πάντως αρχίζω και το βλέπω πιο θετικά πλέον για συζητήσεις. Βλέπουμε...
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
είναι ναι. Αλλά προσωπικά δεν είμαι συνέχεια εδώ, έρχομαι μια στο τόσο και βλέπω "τι παίζει". Και βοηθά πολύ σε αυτό... Έχω κάνει κι ομαδούλες και με δυο κλικ ξέρω τι έχει συμβεί, βλέπω αυτά που θέλω και απαντώ. Και ξέρω ότι ο άλλος θα καταλάβει τι απάντησα και ότι θα το δει...
- Simos Kosmetatos (e-go)
φανταστειτε τωρα αυτη τη κουβεντα στο twitter :-)
- Save As : Panos
τη φαντάζομαι. Ας μην ξεχνάμε όμως και ότι άλλο target έχει το Τwitter άλλο το Friendfeed. Διαφορετικό σκοπό+usability. :)
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
@Jesse, Reality shows are always in rewrites ;)
- Micah Wittman
@Michael - same thing happened when they turned off free SMS for a bunch of countries - as far as I was aware there was no prior warning, they just flicked the switch. Admittedly, the free SMS was costing them money, but some form of advance warning would have been nice..
- Matt Hooper
From the newly written second part of the blog: "We'll be introducing better ways to discover and follow interesting accounts as we release more features in this space." So, perhaps they have some new feature that would trump seeing @replies? Either way, wouldn't you introduce the new feature and then sunset the old - phased approach - or at least do a switchover from one to the other.
- AJ Kohn
In that little screen grab, the favorite star is not marked. ;) ;)
- David Damore
Sorry, David. I recommend downloading the image, opening it in PhotoShop and utilizing the Fill Bucket.
- Louis Gray
It's nice to know they're listening for once. I wonder how many complaints they received.
- Michael Fidler
Alternative (check or uncheck): "[ X ] Only show replies to those I follow." Eureka! Alternative-ness was already there. Back where we started.
- Micah Wittman
Go ev. It's nice when people can at least consider that they've made a mistake. We all make mistakes. How you handle them is a sign of character.
- Mitchell Tsai
before our tears hit the floor, @ev responds to #fixreplies
- iTbay
I'm in shock. Twitter has always done right by the community. They screwed the pooch on this one.
- drew olanoff
Thanks for your feedback? Seriously? Am I in the damn twilight zone? The blog post called this "confusing" Yet um its the only way my mom knew who to follow.
- drew olanoff
@drew now that's the best use case example right there! :)
- Matt Hooper
Oh, and re Twitter doing right by the community...ask @jesse about the advance notice provided by Twitter to 3rd party developers before the API is changed, or a usage restriction is imposed. Sometimes there is no warning, and 3rd party apps are broken.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
Ev is essentially now saying we should have seen it coming, because of this blog post he wrote a year ago. http://bit.ly/vfKY
- Sharon McPherson
I am seriously baffled by their logic. I need to sleep on this since the thoughts behind this is driving me batty. How can they push this option on to people? I really don't understand lol!
- Mona Nomura
Couldn't care less about the feature; this was one of the first things I disabled anyway. But I get really upset for twitter fixing something that wasn't broken, and taking away flexibility from the users. Just stupid.
- gui ambros
gui: it wasn't something you would have disabled... the default was to have this feature turned off - i guess you would say that you never turned it on, since it was never on for you to disable it
- Chris Heath
I'm not sure that @Ev alone is responsible for this decision. I hate this decision but I don't think it was made by one person alone. After all, @Biz wrote the blog entries explaining it all. I bet it was just a terrible group decision.
- Liz
"Group think" is a crusher. Gonna be a busy week at Twitter HQ sorting this mess out/fixing it
- David Damore
I think I missed something.......hmmmmmmm. time to go dig around. =)
- jen
On what point of the learning curve they are?
- 77Agency