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Dude! I’m Getting a Mac! - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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Iván Abrego, Tyson Key, Anne Bouey and 30 other people liked this
Here is the configuration on the new MacBook Pro I ordered: 3.06GHz Intel Core 2 Duo 4GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2X2GB 500GB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200 rpm SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW) MacBook Pro 17-inch Hi-Resolution Antiglare Widescreen Display Backlit Keyboard (English) / User’s Guide Accessory Kit So in addition to today’s price decrease on the MacBook Pro, here are the other reasons that I upgraded today and why I went with a Mac over a PC for the second time around.
- Thomas Hawk
No doubt, they've reached the tipping point for me as well in terms of features and value
- Andrei M. Marinescu
Dude, you're coming to L.A.?!?!?! Dude, let's go shooting!!!!! Let me know if you have time...oh, and congrats on the new shiney!
- noeltykay
Do you have any reservations or concerns about the non-user removable battery? I know the bigger screen is sexy, but is the weight of the laptop a concern?
- Arlan K.
Arlan, not really. I'd imagine that replacing the battery is just a trip to the genius bar and having them do it for you. A slight cost, but I bet it takes less than 5 minutes and that they won't charge much in labor for it. For me the weight is not a problem in the slightest. I'm also lugging around a 5D M2 and 4 lenses everywhere I go. A few ounces here or there doesn't matter in the slightest to me. It fits in my lowepro bag, that's all that mattered to me personally about the size/weight.
- Thomas Hawk
Info on battery replacement: http://www.apple.com/support...
- Drew
Thomas - what'd that run you
- andy brudtkuhl
including tax and 2 day delivery about $3,200.
- Thomas Hawk
I got a Macbook Pro in mid 2007. At this juncture I have no plans to replace it, but I don't think I'd buy another Mac right now. Even with the price drop, it's still twice as expensive as a nearly identically configured PC laptop. I could deal with the Apple tax when it was under $300, but these days it's just become absurd. While I generally feel that Apple's laptops are excellent quality, they're not worth an extra thousand dollars.
- Eric P
Hi Thomas, that's great to hear. The battery is less of a concern, personally, than the weight and portability. But if it's not a big deal to you, I'm sure that beast of a machine will be a joy to use!
- Arlan K.
Awww...Is this your first? The first time's always special....congratulations stud!
- sofarsoShawn <Pop-Rocks>
actually not my first. I used Macs in college extensively. I was the editor-in-chief of my college newspaper and we laid the whole thing out every week on Macs. The older ones. Mac Plus, Mac SE30, those guys. After college though I went to work for a bank and ended up on the PC train for a good 15 years or so. But my last two primary computers (my current one and this new one) have been Macs.
- Thomas Hawk
Can't wait to hear how you like it Thomas. I'm really tempted to get the 13" and a 24" display. Or I may way for updated IMacs.
- ChiliMac
Becoming One With the Light - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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Ken Morley, Mrsth, Will Higgins™ and 20 other people liked this
Great shot, love it.
- Tracy McLaughlin
That is an awesome photo.. Looks almost like the workings of a watch. It's now my wallpaper :O)
- Bill Rawlinson
Sing a Static With the Whole - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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Anne, Anna Haro, Bluesun 2600 and 3 other people liked this
yagami, Anna Haro, Anne and 5 other people liked this
Finally getting my Chicago photos organized for processing. I took a total of 12,549 frames over the course of five days. It's going to take me a long time to process all of these but I think I should end up with about 2,000 or so finished Chicago shots that I'm happy enough with to publish.
Anthony Citrano, Lu Tao, Mrsth and 18 other people liked this
Wow! That's a lot of photos.
- Peter Kruit
Can't wait to see them. My (almost) 15 year old is a budding photographer, and Chicago is one of his favorite places to take pictures. He'll love to see these.
- Kathy Fitch
Chicago is an amazing place for photography. One of my most favorite cities I've ever shot in. I could shoot there for months and am sure I'll go back many times. So much amazing material. I'm looking forward to publishing the photos and writing a few blog posts on some of what I shot there once I get my arms around some of these.
- Thomas Hawk
I'm going to point my guy to your blog, Thomas. He feels the same way about the city--it's a place he'll never be done seeing--and I know he learn a ton from your work and your reflections.
- Kathy Fitch
I'd be interested to read about your workflow for dealing with a sea of photos like that (feel free to hit me over the head if I missed that somewhere).
- Tristan Seligmann
I also can't wait! Let us know when your coming back! It was blast.
- Mark Williamson
from BuddyFeed
Actually Davis, I was there 5 days, so not quite that many per second. But I pretty much was constantly shooting unless I was sleeping and I tried to get by on as few hours of sleep per night as humanly possible. Slept less than 4 hours every night I think.
- Thomas Hawk
Damn. I took 12,000 photos *last year*.
- Eric P
I haven't taken 12k photos in my life!
- Mike Lewis
How do you process that many photos?
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
check out this thread i just started on friendfeed.. we're up to 150 comments now! http://ff.im/3pYjK
- Jason Pollock
There's a man who needs batch processing!
- Robert Hafer
can't wait to see them! hopefully :)
- Anna Lynn M.
Don’t Just Shop at a Camera Store Before Your Next Photo Trip « Photofocus - http://photofocus.com/2009...
Rob Sellen :o), Anne, Bryan Villarin and 17 other people liked this
"Here’s why Ace Hardware is on my list of must-visit stores before a big photo expedition. There are many, many gadgets that we photographers consider MUST-HAVE items and most of these can be found at any good photography store. But there is another set of “gadgets” that you may want to consider, and the good news is, these can be found at any hardware store."
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
good reminders from Scott on things you wouldn't think about for a photo outing. A flashlight can be super handy to have if you are shooting in the dark at night and need to light paint things. Get some color gels for the flashlight if you really want to do some dramatic stuff. A ladder is another good one. Both step ladders and collapsible ladders are great to have with you in your car...
more...
- Thomas Hawk
Sort of OT, but when I was on my recent trip to the East Coast, I stopped by a camera store to try and find a lens case. While I was there, a guy was getting the hard sell from the shop salesman, who was saying that the entry price for DSLRs with video was about $3000... for the body only. I nearly grabbed the hapless shopper and dragged him out of the store.
- Kevin (barely visible)
I rarely buy from local camera stores anymore unless I'm in a real pinch. Overpriced and poor service. Unfortunately.
- Thomas Hawk
wolf camera is the only place near me and that is like the blind leading the blind in that place.
- Zach Scott
frankly scott's post, while valid, is a bit weak. i would have liked to have seen 500W Work lights for $30 or heavy duty Surveyor's tripods on that list. IMO he simply pointed out the obvious. I mean really, a step stool? When was the last time you went to B&H for a step stool? Being that he is so skilled and experienced, and i mean that sincerely, he should have come up with a list of ten Painter's Poles...the only truly creative item on that list. Or maybe i am just over analyzing this.
- Carlos Ayala
TH - If you had a ladder that day, you wouldn't have ripped your pants climbing the bed frame. Quite frankly, besides the pictures, that is the best boost to the story :)
- Justin Korn
We've got to go back down there again Justin.
- Thomas Hawk
Retro Thing: Ferris Bueller's Ferrari House For Sale - http://www.retrothing.com/2009...
pazzer1, Anne, John and 16 other people liked this
"Here's your chance to own a piece of cinematic history - the location where Ferris Bueller's pal Cameron accidentally sent his father's prized Ferrari plunging through a picturesque plate glass window into the ravine below. "The Ben Rose Home - site of the famous movie "Ferris Bueller's Day Off." Cantilevered over the ravine, these two steel and glass buildings - which can never be duplicated - have incredible vistas of the surrounding woods. This is a unique property designed by A. James Speyer and David Haid, both notable architects of the 20th Century." These magnificent examples of mid-century minimalism (that's an exterior shot of the garage on the left) can be yours for only $2,300,000, or $433.96 per square foot."
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
WANT - awesome...
- Jesse Stay
haha, that's a good one Tech Introvert. I loved that movie.
- Thomas Hawk
One of those ferrari 250's sold in 2008 for 10mil $
- Iain Baker
To bad you couldn't get a few shots of that while you were in town.
- ChiliMac
yeah I know. I wish I could have. I heard an interview with the Realtor on the alternative rock station there.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas: Alternative Rock???? Examples please.
- Gilbert Harding
I thought friendfeed would be the biggest threat to Twitter but I now see it's Seesmic Desktop. Come here and we'll discover why:
Jesper Lind, Thierry R. Andriamirado, Curt Mercadante and 142 other people liked this
1. It has list management like friendfeed has. Twitter doesn't.
- Robert Scoble
2. It lets you display both Facebook and Twitter messages.
- Robert Scoble
3. It lets you search both Facebook and Twitter messages.
- Robert Scoble
4. It displays them all better than Twitter does.
- Robert Scoble
5. Friendfeed Support in the works.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
6. It lets you comment on Facebook postings
- Lee Herman
it sucks all the memory out of my machine. performance suffers. I want to like it. I don't.
- Karoli
5. Seesmic desktop (and TweetDeck, which really does most of the same stuff that Seesmic Desktop does) does DM's better than Twitter or Facebook do.
- Robert Scoble
Are you arguing that a 3rd party twitter application is a threat to twitter?
- Frankie Warren
Karoli: I don't care. I run it on its own machine. It can suck all the memory it wants!
- Robert Scoble
Frankie: I can see a case for that, yes.
- Robert Scoble
It makes it easy to mark spammers.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
6. What happens when you add all your data into Seesmic Desktop and Twitter is down? Oh, move over to Seesmic's own service!
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I don't have that luxury. Plus, it's still a client. How can it threaten Twitter when it needs twitter.?
- Karoli
6B: Twinkle on iPhone already does exactly that. Tweetie has 200,000 plus members who DO NOT NEED TWITTER ANYMORE!!! Update I origionally said Tweetie but it is Twinkle that has its own database. Sorry.
- Robert Scoble
Karoli: It isn't exclusive to Twitter.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
A twitter client threatens the existence of twitter?!
- Joshua Lee
Karoli: look at Twinkle. They show the way. They have 200,000 people who are on their own service now, even though most of them think they are only on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
I use tweetie. They still rely on twitter's firehose.
- Karoli
Including myself... haha care to elaborate Robert about tweetie
- Frankie Warren
Karoli: wrong. I was just at their headquarters and Tweetie has its own database and can send messages EVEN WHEN TWITTER IS DOWN!!!
- Robert Scoble
Karoli: Tweetie has two databases for each member. One for Twitter. One for its own back end.
- Robert Scoble
robert, to everyone on my twitter lists, including those NOT using tweetie?
- Karoli
Karoli: no, not to everyone. Right.
- Robert Scoble
Karoli: but what happens when all your friends are on Tweetie or Seesmic Desktop? Will you care anymore?
- Robert Scoble
I agree with joshua, these are clients, they don't live without the parent service. I don't see how seesmic desktop threatens twitter.
- Nitin Gupta
Stop exposing the secrets of us Twitter developers Robert - you're ruining the plan!
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: sorry. When you all pay me something I'll shut up. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, that's my point. There is interdependence here. All my friends will not be on one or the other. Blackberry users will use Twitterberry. Twittelator is a player here too. I couldn't give a rip about Facebook -- it's one of those necessary evils i have to have but hate.
- Karoli
Robert: Does Seesmic do the same thing as Tweetie in terms of redundancy?
- Frankie Warren
Nitin: if I got everyone in the world to use Seesmic Desktop why will we need Twitter? Not to mention, why will you pay for "pro" version of Twitter or look at any of its advertising?
- Robert Scoble
Interesting. I said the same thing about tweetie desktop and friendfeed
- Christian Anderson
AIR apps are a mess, but from an HCI point of view, and from a technical point of view. Native apps please. Tweetie is wonderful.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Oooh - I can buy Robert out? ;-) More to my plan for world domination...
- Jesse Stay
Jason... yes, native apps, OR web apps.
- Tinfoil 2.0
You're not going to make everyone use Seesmic Desktop, you'll pry Nambu from my cold dead fingers.
- Joshua Lee
Karoli: I think it's funny you write off Facebook. Looking at the two streams side by side Facebook's is a lot better. There are far better quality people on Facebook in my account than there are on Twitter for the most part. Plus on Facebook there are 225 million. On Twitter? 30 million.
- Robert Scoble
You could twitpay Robert a buck to buy his silence.
- Louis Gray
Robert, your enthusiasm is infectious, but the hyperbole is still a little on the high side...I think Tweetie is an excellent app. I like Loic and Seesmic desktop but won't use it. I use Tweetie for my desktop app now, and it still needs some tweaking.
- Karoli
Robert, I don't write it off. I just hate it.
- Karoli
Joshua: what if Nambu, Seesmic Desktop, Tweetie, and TweetDeck made their own database?
- Robert Scoble
For me, in terms of signal, FriendFeed trumps Facebook which trumps Twitter.
- Louis Gray
Sounds more like someone doesn't like twitter very much.
- Mac Sharp
The first thing I would do to Facebook is nuke the frackin' IQ app.
- Karoli
Friendfeed is excellent in a browser, but Twitter is awful on the web. Twitter really needs Tweetie.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Karoli: hyperbole is what gets people to engage and think differently.
- Robert Scoble
I don't suppose Seesmic's secret plan might happen to involve an open alternative to Twitter on the back end, would it? If it's a threat to Twitter in that it allows people to use Twitter, Facebook, or FriendFeed interchangeably as a back end protocol...sure... yeah... I can see that. If the idea is Seesmic could swap out their own network? Bah. Don't buy it.
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert, as long as we're clear on the motive, I'm good.
- Karoli
But after all,it is just a client for Twitter and Facebook.
- Steve Chou
from IM
Tweetie is practically the only reason I even feel bad about leaving Twitter
- James Poling
Ryo: have you tried the new Seesmic? I like it as much as Tweetdeck at minimum.
- Robert Scoble
I have moved from TweetDeck to Seesmic Desktop. I am here on FriendFeed, just b/c you invited me to come discuss :) Also, did anyone using SDT notice that you can set up numerous active search columns and you don't hit API limits. thinking that TD used API count for everything from Profile view to search columns? Don't quote me, I'm drinking. LOL.
- Zaneology
Zane: heheh!
- Robert Scoble
Louis, done - Robert, $1 your way via Twitpay and Amazon Payments ;-)
- Jesse Stay
7. It let's you give up all your system resources in a single bound.
- Rahsheen the Dream
James: there's a new version of Tweetie coming.
- Robert Scoble
i learn so much from being on friendfeed and reading all these brilliant threads! thank u scoble!
- Jason Pollock
I think it's funny how people are writing Seesmic Desktop off as just a Twitter client. It's set up to be so much more all you have to do is look at everything Twhirl had built into it. Freindfeed, Laconi.ca, Seesmic, Twitter, and Identi.ca. It wouldn't be to hard to create a redundant system for it using Laconi.ca.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
James: and the real battle will be over search. Imagine what Seesmic Desktop can do with comparative searches between Facebook, Twitter, Friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Rahsheen ++++
- Karoli
Has anyone tried PeopleBrowsr ?
- Zaneology
YES LOVE SEESMIC DESKTOP! B U T ...... it does take a WHOPPING amount of memory for such a small app... at present, I have a dual core 4gb RAM PC... and Seesmic desktop is taking: 98,456k ... actually more than OUTLOOK and EXPRESSION WEB! so... it is good, but maybe this is an Adobe AIR thing of course rather than Seesmic... hey lets face it, Adobe hardly have compact low memory code do they? like the idea.. but because of the memory, cannot justify using it.
- David Sheardown
James: exactly. Zane I like PeopleBrowsr too.
- Robert Scoble
i still think that all this talk of the next thing that everyone will move to is a bit premature... twitter will continue to dominate for some time
- Jason Pollock
Scoble: are you inferring that it will support friendfeed?
- James Poling
But if twitter is down,those clients can do nothing
- Steve Chou
James: Loic says that friendfeed support is coming to Seesmic Desktop. I'll keep bugging him until he does it anyway.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I can't agree more. I'm still using Twhirl for it's filter feature. I can filter my stream so nicely with it to extract data I want.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
the general public is still getting used to twitter.. us geeks can talk about the next thing until we're blue in the face but its going to be all about twitter for a while and I think we all know it:)
- Jason Pollock
Jason: don't be so sure. Remember a few years ago MySpace was on top of the world. Twitter will probably pass MySpace next year.
- Robert Scoble
To get back to your thesis, the only thing that can kill Twitter is Twitter.
- Christian Anderson
A client is redundant if the service(s) no longer exist! That is like a "chicken or the egg" discussion.
- Allan Besselink
Robert: Told him to make a better user interface by the way,I still don't like Seesmic too much.
- Steve Chou
Robert: I can't wait to see how Loic integrates it into SD. It's much more complicated to fit into that platform than Twhirl's.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Robert: i agree that it will be a few years tho.. and by the time twitter is on the decline who knows what will be out by then!
- Jason Pollock
Jason: the general public is going to start seeing that search is very important for them to find people talking about things they care about. I can see a world where Seesmic's search will be better than even friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
I tried seesmic desktop for a view minutes but it was so not intuitive that I quit trying it.
- rick
Loic ignores serious usability issues. I'm not optimistic for him.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Twitter is indeed becoming more popular, I saw a feature on network news about it. If something like twitter is noticed by mainstream media, it's already passed the threshold of being not just for geeks long ago.
- Joshua Lee
Jason: Seesmic Desktop is much more usable than it used to be.
- Robert Scoble
I just installed the latest version
- Jason Wehmhoener
same mess
- Jason Wehmhoener
Lets say all the twitter clients work together to build a common database in laconi.ca.. Will we still need twitter?
- Varun "Maverick" Pitale
PeopleBrowsr seems quite unintuitive to me.
- Chuck Baggett
robert: i agree that real-time search is the the wave of the future and it is the reason that twitter is so dominant right now... too bad the twitter search is always down.. lol.. im definitely going to download the new seesmic right now tho!:)
- Jason Pollock
I'm not sure why adobe air twitter apps are so popular, native apps are much more usable and use less resources.
- Joshua Lee
Robert: track is the key.
- Karoli
Robert, don't all these sources just scream out for common interface pipes? Isn't that the key? Seems like we'll see more and more Tweetdecks, Seesmics, FF, FB Thwirls and Tweeties, all of which will have their pluses, but they all gotta' pass data and interact, like multiple networking protocols going thru a router...right?
- Michael Metz
Twitter has a history of killing it's most popular features. How long until they kill real-time search?
- Christian Anderson
Karoli: track is coming.
- Robert Scoble
If I hear "track" one more time I'm going to scream
- Jesse Stay
Christian: they won't kill realtime search. It's the only way they have of monitising twitter.
- Joshua Lee
I have track - it's called TweetBeep
- Jesse Stay
Christian: I think they already did ;) try searching for something you've said recently.
- Frankie Warren
Jesse: track, track TRACK
- Karoli
Karoli can I twitpay you a dollar as well?
- Jesse Stay
Christian: Frankie is right. Twitter's search is horrid.
- Robert Scoble
Seesmic Desktop is getting more friendly on system resources with each build - now it will run for days with the very small increase in memory over time
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Twitter is technically mediocre in general, it proves that if you have a good concept, the technical execution is secondary. Unfortunately.
- Joshua Lee
Jesse, sure. :)
- Karoli
I seriously doubt that Seesmic Desktop is going to kill Twitter. Besides the people talking on here now, how many people even know what Adobe AIR is? Or what Seesmic is? Look how slow people were to find out about Twitter. I am pulling for FriendFeed:)
- Shawn Hickman
I still am a little lost... what do these companies gain by building their own phantom networks behind twitter? It's not like they can just flip the switch off on twitter and expect to keep their users. As it stands, twitter is the only thing that links all these different clients.
- Frankie Warren
I love Friendfeed, but i admit...i do not like the name. :)
- Karoli
I actually just switched to it today. Though I wish they would do some interface tweaks, but I'm sure they will over time. Able to move the tweetbox around, and be able to take the menu on the right and make it tabs on the top. Just simplify it a bit.
- Dean Clark
Joshua: the most important thing about social networks is "are the people I want to follow on it?" Nothing else really matters that much. But once they are, watch the tide move.
- Robert Scoble
Shawn: I agree with you, I tried to tell my sister, who just joined twitter, to use a client. She emailed me back like I was some kind of geek! (Well, I am.)
- Joshua Lee
our goal isn't to "kill" Twitter with Seesmic Desktop - but rather to allow you to read/use Twitter along side other sources
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Twitter is getting easier and easier by the day to compete with - look at us here on FriendFeed. We're not talking about it on Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
Search is pretty broken right now. when they have trouble scaling, they just kill off whatever functionality is holding them up. Twitter may just become email at some point in the near future.
- Christian Anderson
Web Apps are the future, downloading will become a thing of the past
- Shawn Hickman
Christian, e-mail is more reliable than Twitter - please no
- Jesse Stay
The big thing slowing down FriendFeed integration is their own API (note: that's my personal opinion and not my bosses :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Frankie, I can see some real advantages to building a phantom network behind Twitter. Starting with not having to rely on Twitter and the somewhat arrogant heads of Twitter who do not give a rip about their users.
- Karoli
Mike: actually the friendfeed team itself told me that. They know they need to simplify the API. I wonder when we'll see that?
- Robert Scoble
Mike, from what I've seen FriendFeed's API is actually more advanced than Twitter's. It's just missing one or two crucial methods.
- Jesse Stay
Christian: Yes, Twitter search is dead. Currently hours missing off the top and after 18 days everything disappears. It's a horrible situation for them.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
robert: hopefully very soon - there is a lot of movement to happen when that appears
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I can't tell Twitter to only give me certain pieces of data from a user's profile, for instance. I can do that with FriendFeed. They're much more prepared for API scalability than Twitter is, even now.
- Jesse Stay
Mike: what do you do at Seesmic?
- Robert Scoble
robert: ops, messaging (xmpp), infrastructure
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Mike: awesome. I can't wait until you have friendfeed. That will seal the deal for you guys. Then it's just going to be a race to see who builds the best search display.
- Robert Scoble
robert: (again my personal opinion on SD - I'm a user like you all in this regard) I agree, it's the ability to see and manipulate the various streams that is killer, so not having FF is the pink elephant in the room
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
mentions of 'compete'/'kill' in certain contexts in the comments here sounds kind of petty, encouraging some backwards cut-throat sadomasichism. web 2.0's focus on social networks has facets of co-existence and is mutually beneficial in complementing services. everybody is not necessarily out to kill each other, imo.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Karoli... they would still have to rely on twitter right? Things will get crazy confusing if the applications cant talk to each other. Imagine if verizon phones couldnt call cingular phones and you had to worry about who had what handset... thats where theres a problem with having a Seesmic Network, a Tweetie network etc. EDIT: woah i just said cingular haha
- Frankie Warren
blackfeathers: whenever you see me use the word "kill" it means to take over the momentum.
- Robert Scoble
Yes, Twitter is broken. We were all here a year ago when Twitter's uptime was like 50%. Still, we stayed. Why? Because the people we wanted t follow were there. And people like Jesse were buuling kick ass sticky apps. I don't see that changing.
- Christian Anderson
Being able to use the local twitter search to see tweets within however many miles of a location would be nice *hint* *hint* *hint* That seems to be a part of twitter search many air apps still don't support.
- Dean Clark
Christian: me neither. Although there's a new usage model that is in play that Twitter has not locked up. Especially around search and zeitgeist display.
- Robert Scoble
Christian - thanks for the compliment. Not sure what you mean by sticky though.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: once you start using SocialToo you can't stop.
- Robert Scoble
Dean: Local search would be the shit. It really needs to be implemented
- Shawn Hickman
Let's make a rule right now. Kill = lose momentum leader status. That is what we mean when we say "kill"
- Christian Anderson
Jesse: that's sticky. I call Facebook "velcro" because it has so much sticking power and lots of little hooks that lock you in.
- Robert Scoble
I thought FriendFeed was kind of meh, I didn't realize it had this realtime comment feature. I'll have to use it more often.
- Joshua Lee
Robert: Unless you're me. I cannot abide all those little sticky velcro stupid things.
- Karoli
Joshua: there's a lot of things in friendfeed that lots of Twitterers have no clue about.
- Robert Scoble
Ah - thanks again then Christian - that's quite a compliment! We won't be supporting just Twitter for long though, although if Twitter keeps breaking it keeps giving us new things to do to fix it. :-(
- Jesse Stay
Steven: trust me, I have my own list of UI issues that I remind the SD devs of weekly ;)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Karoli: oh, really? So if someone tags you in a photo on Facebook you don't look?
- Robert Scoble
Not that I underestimate FB. I don't. It's why I have a presence there. I just HATE. IT.
- Karoli
Robert, no...I'm the chick behind the camera
- Karoli
I just don't believe in support applications that are unnecessarily hogs as far as memory goes. Yes AIR apps tend to be on the larger size, but look at DestroyTwitter. John Hallman manages to get his AIR client to consume less than 70MB of memory.
- Alex Knight
Karoli: you're a better man than I am then. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Steven: also, if you twitter to @seesmic - our customer team tracks all of the suggestions and gets them to the UI Devs
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Mike: you should open a friendfeed room, too. It's even better than Twittering @seesmic.
- Robert Scoble
Mike: I have a suggestion, make it look more native on OS X. We Mac users are interface consistency geeks.
- Joshua Lee
Alex - one of the things that bit all of the Air devs in the ass recently was the memory leak caused by the xml parser IIRC - now that was a fun one
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
have not try the seesmic desktop... They are the best if they manage to serve local context too.. (Twitter & Friendfeed, not the 3rd party)
- Pico Seno
They just did. The Mac buttons are now in their standard place on top of the window left.
- Robin Good
Joshua - they are already doing that in small increments - notice the window chrome items changes recently
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I'll have to take another look, especially if you add friendfeed.
- Joshua Lee
Robert - If our customer support guy hasn't already I will make sure he does
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I'm a TweetDeck fan, despite the memory suck on my computer. Tweetie is nice on the iPhone, like new Twitterrific better. Seesmic desktop and Tweetie desktop are just OK.
- Geoff Peterson
Robert, love your velcro example - thanks for the clarification
- Jesse Stay
Mike: cool, I just added you to my secret group for discussing the 2010web.
- Robert Scoble
robert: wow - thanks
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Wild 164 comments in 32 minutes. I guess I touched a nerve.
- Robert Scoble
You bet, Jesse. You and your app building Ilk have played a huge part in making Twitter what it is today.
- Christian Anderson
Robert: either that or you trolled a bit, in a positive way. ;-)
- Joshua Lee
Scoble: at the risk of sounding presumptuous can I join in on that 2010web conversation?
- James Poling
Joshua: I was mostly trolling Loic who hasn't shown up yet, which makes it even funnier.
- Robert Scoble
lol secret group... you know how to work this stuff ;)
- Frankie Warren
Robert - that's why i popped in - I know he is doing some family stuff so he's offline right now
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Frankie and Joshua: soon, soon!
- Robert Scoble
Frankie: it has to be an elite group in order for 2010web to become a buzzword, from clique to chic. It's the new pardigm. ;-)
- Joshua Lee
Mike, I hear a blank AIR app sucks up 20MB. If that's true Adobe has some work to do.
- Alex Knight
Joshua: I hated the name "Web 2.0" and am trying to head off the next thing being called "Web 3.0."
- Robert Scoble
Alex - yep - your preaching to the choir on that one :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Yeah, we don't need x.0 - definitely.
- Joshua Lee
Mike: thanks for filling in for Loic. His ears must be burning, or will be soon.
- Robert Scoble
i like it (2010 web) just because of the Arthur C Clarke memories it brings up
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert 2010web is too soon you should have gone with 2013web, just past the apocalypse.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
2010web sounds interesting, but it limits the buzzword for one year.
- Joshua Lee
Getting to the topic at hand, how is a Twitter client a threat to Twitter?
- Alex Knight
hey lets start a 2011 web secret place:)
- Michael Metz
James: I disagree. Most businesses have sites that look like 1994 so 2010 will be very useable for a long time.
- Robert Scoble
Plus, I always hated the version numbers because the Web doesn't have a version. it's more fashion, like cars.
- Robert Scoble
Well im late (in the half hr this has been posted), but i will say that which ever client has the most interesting and frequent updates will prevail, so this debate could go on and on
- Chris Nwakalo
And it upgrades constantly.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: because these clients secretly piggyback and make their own redundant networks that some think will be able to free the clients of their dependency on twitter. (did i get that right? ;))
- Frankie Warren
Nambu updates fairly frequently. :-)
- Joshua Lee
Hey, Robert - it's Yama - I'll be starting a friendfeed room in a bit, but loving the stream here
- jyamasaki
I'm trying to get businesses to see that if they are using the 1994 web they'll look pretty lame if their competitors are using the 2010 one.
- Robert Scoble
yes. Real-time web might be akin to cold fusion. Guesing vertical and local are the next waves on the web.
- Christian Anderson
Anyway, that's all off topic, back to Seesmic and TweetDeck and Tweetie and all the rest. If they all worked together they could totally take away Twitter's air supply.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is definitely on the cusp of something massive. I'm afraid their infrastructure will quickly crumble though. They haven't even figured out a way to make money yet.
- Alex Knight
i kind of agree w/ james fuller. there's something too gimmicky w/ all the symmetric number schemes up to 12-12-12 - just for the sake of removing oneself from it, 2013 makes sense to me as a new starting point.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
I find it interesting that many people are willing to pay or donate to developers making Twitter clients. No one donates to Twitter heh.
- Alex Knight
blackfeathers: if you are appealing to early adopters and developers you are probably right. I'm trying to appeal to normal business people. They understand that the 2010 automobiles are just now shipping (my 2010 Prius should be here next week) and so if they want to get a modern web site they will understand that they need 2010web technologies. 2013 is too esoteric and future thinking for normal people.
- Robert Scoble
Considering how long from the infamous O'Reilly web 2.0 conference to it becoming a popular buzzword web 2.0 became, maybe 2010 is a bit too soon in the future. I'm not sure why I'm trying to help with this buzzword though, considering how much I hate them. :-)
- Joshua Lee
Robert: How would the clients make it clear what networks you're talking to and who actually is able to see your content? For example, If Joe is Twitter+Seesmic and I'm Twitter+Tweetie.... when twitter goes down I can no longer speak to joe...
- Frankie Warren
Alex: that's because Twitter treats us like crap and has $30 million in the bank.
- Robert Scoble
Loic is well positioned to win because he has an honest to God team working on this. They got in early and they've kept a break-neck innovation pace.
- Christian Anderson
Twitter is a platform, Friendfeed and Tweetdeck are apps. Well , Twitter does have a native app, but it sucks big time. I think it's a matter of months that the mainstream twitter users will realize that and there will be a huge explosion in twitter apps usage.
- Kirill Bolgarov
Frankie - that's a routing-around-failure problem that is keeping me up at night to be honest - when I think of what will be needed to do that
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Ok, I have to go to bed. One last though before I go, one of the reasons Seesmic Desktop is huge is because it pulls your virtual social life back into one location that can exist on you desktop, and makes it easy to manage from it's interface.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
its no threat at all - as twitter knows perfectly well, the Platform is everything! Seesmic isn't the platform and never can be as its desktop based
- Anthony Feint
Yeh, that was abit offtopic
- Kirill Bolgarov
Frankie: in Seesmic Desktop I can tell which Window is showing me Facebook and which one is showing me Twitter. Why couldn't I be shown that I can have more features with other people who are on Seesmic Desktop?
- Robert Scoble
Oh suuure Scoble, get me on Friend Feed and already you've declared it passe?
- Brett Schulte
Robert - They should spend the $29 million on their infrastructure and leave the last million to pay salaries :P
- Alex Knight
Robert, is there a way to do a date range search in FF?
- Gary Gannon
Brett: heheh. There's a method to my madness. When I started getting into friendfeed Twitter took off. So, I figured I better find the next big thing so friendfeed could take off. Seesmic Desktop is it!
- Robert Scoble
Alex: I hear the team already took a lot off the table.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: that's why the management isn't in a big hurry to sell Twitter. They already have "FU money."
- Robert Scoble
Gogii is the next Twitter according to @drew... I like it.
- Brett Schulte
I still don't think an app could be the next big thing,after all platform rules.
- Steve Chou
Brett: hmmm. Why?
- Robert Scoble
Mike: do you see like Robert in that you can make a separate network that acts as a Twitter+
- Frankie Warren
Steve: Seesmic Desktop IS a platform.
- Robert Scoble
In all honesty it's easy to bash Twitter's infrastructure when you aren't in their shoes. I know our own company has gone through a ton of growing pains in the past 14 years.
- Alex Knight
Alex: Twitter was crashing when I had 1,000 followers. It's always sucked.
- Robert Scoble
Blackfeather: I'm glad you like the idea, but now I'm seeing Robert's point. The 2010web is constantly changing just like model years. You want to release next years big thing now.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Gogii is SMS based and more universal, and allows custom groups.
- Brett Schulte
Frankie - I can't say to be honest one way or the other
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I remember about 2 months that Twitter wasn't crashing in some form or another, when I first started using it
- Jesse Stay
Ff on the iPhone is not handling this string very well.
- Christian Anderson
Mike: Tweetie is using its network of 200,000 people to do lots of interesting things and will be doing more when they roll out their new version.
- Robert Scoble
This is the problem with FriendFeed... 200+ comments from one post. There needs to be a way to flag comments from different users in different ways.
- Jay McCormack
Back in the ole days of twitter when you had to walk 15 miles in the snow, barefoot, in order to tweet...
- Dean Clark
Mike: it'd be interesting to see if you guys choose to make your own database to add even more features. Like location and better search and "offline availability" for when Twitter is down.
- Robert Scoble
i don't know why exactly -perhaps it was the pager days- that makes me see it as yesterday. i skip sms if i can help it.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
robert - understood - I just can't say or comment on anything we are planning or not planning - loic and marco would personally come stomp me into a furry puddle ;)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
You're right Robert, shit programming is shit programming. It's no excuse to not plan/develop scalable infrastructure. Our company is suffering now because all of our internal systems were writing 14 years ago by a bunch of n00bs.
- Alex Knight
Jay: I don't see this as a problem. I see it as a benefit.
- Shawn Hickman
Robert: I'm sure you're not at liberty to say.... but it seems counter productive that seesmic and tweetie race to get an install base of twitter clients to have their own network gain a critical mass... shouldnt they work together :) Or am I being naive again
- Frankie Warren
Am I the only one that would like to see threaded comments or would that get way too messy?
- James Poling
Seesmic was interesting but I just can't stand listening to the French guy.
- Brett Schulte
Frankie: I wish they would work together.
- Robert Scoble
Brett: heheheh. That's Loic.
- Robert Scoble
brett - well, you can listen to the German guy if you want - he's the Seesmic Desktop lead
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
FWIW, I love Tiny Twitter on my Blackberry. So much nicer than Twitter Berry
- ursi
Robert: He really should get a spokesman people can understand.
- Brett Schulte
James: threaded comments would be fun here. I'd love to add graphics and video in here too, but it sure would get messy.
- Robert Scoble
Just say it, Robert. As a former Microsoft employee, you should be able to explain to everyone in three little words how Seesmic Desktop/Tweetie/insert_thirdparty_app_here can successfully kill Twitter should it gain a critical mass of users: "EMBRACE. AND. EXTEND." I'm 26 and even I remember the browser wars. Seriously. Scoble's right on this one.
- Andrew Feinberg
+ for threaded comments, this is hard to follow. Friendfeed should add to their UI and it should highlight comments that mention you.
- Alex Knight
"Even I remember the browser wars" - feeling ancient.
- Brett Schulte
james fuller: considering the target audience & the purpose then it would make sense currently. perhaps i'm thinking of time in a scalable sense of passage.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Andrew: yes, embrace and extend. Tweetie showed me the light. Seesmic is doing similar things with Facebook and Twitter (I have groups in Seesmic Desktop).
- Robert Scoble
I wish there was a button for commenting at the very bottom of this post. I don't like scrolling back up to comment.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Alex: follow? Just click the time stamp and stare at the screen!
- Robert Scoble
Nobody remember the losers.
- Steve Chou
James: if you click the time stamp it will open a new window up where the comment window will be at the bottom.
- Robert Scoble
James: pop out the window via the time stamp?
- Frankie Warren
Didn't you use to be big on Twitter Scoble? :)
- Brett Schulte
Robert: Thank you this is so much better.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
@Brett you should see the crowds he draws in Japan
- Andrew Feinberg
Brett: a very large PR firm told me I have a more engaged audience than Oprah. So, who said I'm still not big on Twitter?
- Robert Scoble
Steven: He's not still big on Facebook? Could've fooled me.
- Karoli
Brett: It gave birth to this chaos.
- Frankie Warren
Does anyone think Twitter buying out one of the big Twitter client products would be good for them?
- Alex Knight
Alex: that would be stupid for a platform company to do.
- Robert Scoble
Alex - even better, Facebook buying out one of the big Twitter clients
- Jesse Stay
@Alex: No. They can barely keep up with their own internal architecture.
- Andrew Feinberg
I think Twitter's plan is to offer premium features like advanced search, tracking, analytics, and bringing back the @ replies everyone complained about recently. They won't give this all away for free.
- Geoff Peterson
Alex: Twitter effectively killed all tiny URL innovation by partnering with bit.ly.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: I think they need to be bought
- Shawn Hickman
Robert I think you said it right there - the only way to truly compete with Twitter as a Twitter developer is to become Twitter
- Jesse Stay
Shawn: but the minute Twitter buys one the other companies know it's over and they'll move their code to a different system.
- Robert Scoble
Do they have a written partnership with bit.ly or did they just switch due to analytics?
- Dean Clark
Robert you coming down for e3?
- Brett Schulte
Dean: from what I understand it's a written partnership. Bit.ly is even on the same datacenter as Twitter is now.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: is that like the scene in Highlander where Sean Connery teaches Christopher Lambert to "Feel the stag..."?
- Andrew Feinberg
Brett: I doubt it.
- Robert Scoble
Sure, someone should buy Twitter but who? I would say what Twitter is doing right now would be a good fit for Google.
- Alex Knight
Andrew, something like that, yeah :-)
- Jesse Stay
Robert: Agreed, but I meant I think they should be bought by another company
- Shawn Hickman
Alex: I talked with Twitter investor Fred Wilson on Thursday. He said that Ev really is adverse to selling.
- Robert Scoble
Ok call me a newbie, but why would it be a bad thing for Twitter to purchase atebits (tweetie)? Wouldn't that just be like hiring people to make their own client? Or is that bad because Twitter should only be focusing on Twitter, and not clients for Twitter?
- Colin
Robert, to your point about search, I would offer this: Even a powerful search isn't enough. There has to be filters. Tracking my name even gives wonky results without filters.
- Karoli
So is Twitter's revenue plan to slowly remove the most popular features and then start selling them back to people?
- James Poling
Ok, interesting. Yeah written partnership would certainly kill some people trying to innovate. Few out of work people I think will give you different things a try though, certainly won't be see as widely though since short links are a mainstream feature now.
- Dean Clark
I heard Robert is buying Twitter
- Jesse Stay
wow, it's been a while since I've been in such a fun tech discussion. I've missed you, FriendFeed!
- Andrew Feinberg
No, Twitter bought Robert. ;)
- Brett Schulte
Karoli: search is equal to filters in my mind.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - EV may not want to sell Twitter, but it may have to happen in the not so distant future. We'll see though.
- Alex Knight
The obvious choice would be google to purchase Twitter, but I'm sure others could work well too
- Shawn Hickman
it's also possible for another company going down to buy twitter for its upward momentum, but maybe not likely.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Brett, no, I just bought Robert - did you see my Twitpay?
- Jesse Stay
I bought his puppet, too
- Jesse Stay
@James: there was no plan. that would acknowledge they added features knowing they'd be popular, and therefore would have built them better.
- Andrew Feinberg
Alex: Ev doesn't have to sell. What's forcing him to sell? I don't see it.
- Robert Scoble
Andrew: friendfeed is fun once in a while when you get a topic that rocks and rolls like this one.
- Robert Scoble
Seesmic Desktop is Dead
- Bwana ☠
Andrew: but the real power in friendfeed is in the real time search engine here.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - Nothing at all... but the future is untold. He may not have to sell now but it may become a good move in the future.
- Alex Knight
Haha Bwana!
- invariant
LOL @Bwana
- Alex Knight
I heard Google is buying Seesmic Desktop
- Jesse Stay
Bwana makes me laugh.
- Robert Scoble
i do like the search engine. I use it to track current event reactions. I just rarely get engaged.
- Andrew Feinberg
Jesse NOW THAT would be interesting!
- Robert Scoble
I just heard a rim shot coming from Bwana
- Alex Knight
You heard it hear first (might as well claim it)
- Jesse Stay
ergo seesmic desktop is the new rss? lol
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
bwana - any more lebron pain for you tonight?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert: Conversation you can see is the real power of FriendFeed. Not the disjointed conversation on Twitter.
- Geoff Peterson
Maybe FriendFeed should buy Twitter or the other way around
- Shawn Hickman
So how does Seesmic make money... or does it not?
- Colin
Tweetie is making money.
- Colin
Why don't we all just pitch in and buy them both. How many users between the two?
- Jesse Stay
Colin - Seesmic desktop makes money from other services I believe.
- Alex Knight
Colin: sell a pro version. I'd pay for a version that had friendfeed integration, for instance.
- Robert Scoble
@Jesse. Nice bring me in as an investor
- Christian Anderson
bear - no, I'm somewhat over it...until I turn the TV on
- Bwana ☠
Christian, might still be expensive at what it seems Twitter's asking for
- Jesse Stay
well, I'm off to bed. This was fun, see ya in the morning!
- Robert Scoble
I heard the LDS church is buying the LHC from CERN and using it to go back in time so they can buy Twitter, add everyone's tweets to their genealogical databases and use that to target ads better than google, AND TAKE OVER THE WORLD AHAHAHAHAHA. Right, Jesse? :-)
- Andrew Feinberg
Seesmic desktop runs on AIR. I refuse to use it for that reason.
- nick
Robert I thought you were going to kill Gilmore - you got pretty hot.
- Brett Schulte
Robert: the average person does not equate search/track/filters . Look at Google usage for examples
- Karoli
Colin - I paid for my Tweetie licence but also donated $18 to DestroyTwitter. Love supporting great developers.
- Alex Knight
Andrew, I think my head just exploded
- Jesse Stay
Brett: he can't kill Gillmor. Two would pop up to take his place.
- Andrew Feinberg
hahahaha
- Brett Schulte
Good night. 330 comments. Wild.
- Robert Scoble
Way to be Alex, this stuff isn't free to make.
- Colin
@Jesse: so you don't deny it? :-)
- Andrew Feinberg
fun discussion. The pug insists I leave it. Good night all.
- Karoli
Good night - happy weekend!
- Brett Schulte
Andrew, that one I'll let you make your own conclusions on :-)
- Jesse Stay
(I somehow forgot to work Louis Gray into the conspiracy. But we all know he's there. The question is who will play him in the movie starring Tom Hanks as Ev and Phillip Seymour Hoffman as Scoble)
- Andrew Feinberg
/me wanders off to dream of wiring IRC to FriendFeed
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I think Microsoft should buy Twitter and make their own Twitter client and implement Microsoft Bob to help you tweet!
- Alex Knight
and don't forget the CGI "Clippy" voiced by Chris Rock
- Andrew Feinberg
Microsoft kills almost every business they bought.
- Steve Chou
from IM
(too bad Don LaFontaine isn't alive to record a trailer voiceover for Ron Howard's "Twitter/Friendfeed" techno-thriller)
- Andrew Feinberg
Matthew: the bloomberg software can run on any laptop now. but you need a special smartcard with a fingerprint reader that reads a barcode off the screen at the same time.
- Andrew Feinberg
Wow 350 comments. What a massive comment stream. The comment feature makes a huge diff. It facilitates conversation, which twitter doesn't really provide.
- Lawrence Di Stefano
from Nambu
What Twitter's at threat!? It has the momentum of an unstoppable train, as to Seesmic being a threat - maybe, unfortunately it's irrelevant.
- sofarsoShawn <Pop-Rocks>
I dumped Tweetdeck after the last Seesmic release. They have such an insane release schedule I don't think people can grasp how difficult it is to roll out the kind of releases they have done back to back.Their version stream just tells me they have bank behind them. When you work from different boxes I don't love the tethered feel of Seesmic however.
- Chad Harris
there is potential for all these services (twitter, Friendfeed, facebook etc) to become secondary to the apps. The more services there are, the greater the need to bring them back together again.
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
Chad: agree, there is something about SD that I'm not a fan of, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Seems to have lost something from Twhirl somehow
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
@Scoble: Can you disclose publicly here that you are not on a pay roll by Seesmic or Loic LeMeur? Don't you have a PR-advisory deal? Please disclose....
- nikolas
Mike Taylor: "dream of wiring IRC to FriendFeed" <- that would be SO great ^__^ (with xdcc support included and stuff...)
- minus-one
Robert is high
- Alejandro
amazing 355 comments - learned a lot about Seesmic in rellation to twitter; thanks for sharing!
- Jeroen De Miranda
Nikolas I have no such deal with Seesmic. I never have been paid by them. I have no investment in them. I don't know where you got that idea but it is totally false.
- Robert Scoble
I just cannot bring myself to install one more thing on my computer to take up needed RAM. Plus, I do not want to install anything on my work computer either...and like to just user browser things that I can use on any computer.
- Hummie
Scobleizer, Wait, Do I hence assume that your assertion is that friendfeed is no more (or, never was) a threat to twitter?
- Lakshman Prasad
Lakshman: Friendfeed I'd not a threat to Twitter, correct. That said it is a threat to http://search.twitter.com
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I like it but --- 1. it is a tool not a place, so i'll stick with FriendFeed as my means to "kill Twitter" and 2. it is a total whorish memory hog and i hate it when that happens.
- Thom Kennon
Yeah it's a memory hog
- Svartling
Robert: Seesmic definitely has potential, but I think that PeopleBrowsr has far more potential and far more power than Seesmic will ever have. As a power user, I'm quite surprised that you haven't taken that tool up, and replaced your Tweetdeck. And I would be surprised if you chose Seesmic to replace Tweetdeck. The search capabilities alone in PeopleBrowsr make me wonder this. Add to...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I would honestly say Seesmic Desktop is more of a threat to Friendfeed than Twitter
- Zee.
Rob: I need to try Peoplebrowsr again. When I first tried it it was too slow and complex.
- Robert Scoble
Zee: one major reason I also haven't gotten in Peoplebrowsr or Seesmic desktop is because, well, it is Adobe AIR and my iPhone doesn't run that (in Seesmic Desktop's case). In Peoplebrowser's case? It didn't do mobile last time I tried it. Friendfeed's search and realtime is keeping me going.
- Robert Scoble
I think we can all agree that twitter was just the first in a line of ever evolving systems in real time news, twitter is the oldest, and will probably be replaced eventually, but surely it doesn't help to keep jumping ship every few months, nothing seems to be gathering as much steam as friendfeed, and it offers huge improvements over twitter, I really think people do need to persist with one service... rather than constantly jumping
- Chris Lloyd
Robert the lack of mobile in PeopleBrowsr is valid, and it is complex, but the light mode makes it much more manageable to start using. The speed has considerably improved since you last used it. We'd love for you to try it again. The AIR version will import your groups from Tweetdeck. Please feel free to ask any questions you have. Jodee is on his way to California now for the conference this week. I hope that you'll have a chance sit down with him and see the improvements.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from f2p
augh, too many comments to absorb. just wanted to throw in my two cents, though. i started with twhirl, then tried out Seesmic Desktop, and then went back to twhirl because i was able to customize the font size for reading the tweets. maybe i didn't dig deep enough, but Seesmic doesn't have that option, and i find the print a wee bit too small for my liking.
- Starshadow Rivaulx
Wow Rob, you are an internet phenomenon. Someone tweeted me the link of this thread followed by "look at the moron, lol". Anyway: If twitter gets shut down, Seesmic will die. If Seesmic dies (gets shut down, w/e), it won't make a dent to twitter. Hence, you are wrong.
- H M Elius
I'm with @guruvan on this, PeopleBrowsr is way better than Seesmic Desktop as a power tool.
- Svartling
Svartling: Thanks! And, you can see by the via on this post, we already have FriendFeed support, and it will improve as well. And, with all the networks that we support, PeopleBrowsr isn't dependent on Twitter. Twitter access is surely the big slice, but we offer the ability to search Facebook, FriendFeed, Digg, Youtube, flickr, and even custom URLs. And, we provide access to Seesmic's network
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from PeopleBrowsr
Loic is gonna love this
- David Lloyd
so I go offline for a few hours playing with the kids and Robert launches this conversation when I am quiet and away! Ah! that's fun. If you had written a blog post instead of a friendfeed entry it would definitely be the week-end techmeme headline! Competing with Twitter? Nah I would have to be seriously sick to even think about it. We are just delivering as fast as we can and growing...
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- Loic Le Meur
WOW, what a conversation that was!!
- Micky
Seriously. Robert...I think you just proved the value of (at least) FriendFeed forever more...(And Seesmic too of course!:-)...This is what I get for sleeping, eh?
- Alan Edgett
The newest SD is much nicer than previous from a functional standpoint. I agree that FF support is a must (as well as Seesmic support). I still do not really like the UI, especially on my EEE PC, but even on the 24" monitor it is not as nice as TD. The functionality is better though so I have switched to SD. Really hoping to have the ability to rename saved searches, it is the searching which is so awesome after all.
- Sean Brady
Robert how about a video showing the features or another interview with Loic? Depraved for Content!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Stephen Pickering
Its PeopleBrowsr not Seesmic
- Webferret
So, what is this stuff from the top of the thread about Tweetie using their own servers? Little Snitch tells me that Tweetie for the Mac is communicating with twitter.com and s3.amazonaws.com. Robert?
- Jason Wehmhoener
Jason: sorry it was Twinkle. I messed up.
- Robert Scoble
It would sure be ironic if the 'openness' of Twitter's API killed them. As far as Seesmic goes, I wouldn't count on it emerging as the winner. I'm not impressed with it at all, most of the reasons being cited or commonly known. It has a lot of work to do before even attempting FriendFeed integration. I think Nambu has a lot of promise actually
- Angus Burton
Starshadow - I know that better font handling is on our short list - i'll go poke the devs to see if I can move it up a couple notches :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Loic: who cares about getting on Techmeme anymore? Not me. I'd rather just have an interesting conversation. Seems like a few people found it here.
- Robert Scoble
Looks to be the ase doesn't it. I was moving to TweetDeck/Twit but now thininking about exiting ofdf to Seesmic
- James Hemby
Robert, you've got me trying both FriendFeed and Seesmic now from this post. Soon enough I'll be on flttr , even.
- Raj Rikhy
Robert, I love TechMeme, I read it multiple times a day. I agree Friendfeed has very active users. Both are small groups on the web, if these groups are enough for you as a conversation, then yeah it's cool. Friendfeed definitely did not make me stop reading techmeme.
- Loic Le Meur
having said that, yes, Friendfeed is coming to Seesmic Desktop
- Loic Le Meur
Loic: I am inviting a bunch of Web innovators to a private room on friendfeed this weekend. It's amazing how many are already here and signed in. They might not be active, but they are active enough to accept my invitations! Watch for yours soon.
- Robert Scoble
Wow all these comments about seesmic! Well this got me really curious, until now I only used Tweetdeck,tried Peoplebrowser, didn't like it, will give Seesmic a chance now. Want to find out for my self, and once again thanks to friendfeed for these discussions!
- Jacob
I view Seesmic Desktop and Tweetdeck as almost next generation web browsers customized for the social web. Will be interesting to see how that dynamic evolves and how the traditional browsers like firefox will fit into the picture going forward.
- Mike Bracco
Loic: I would love to hear what you feel about my above statement and where you see SD fitting in long term/big picture perspective. If you have a link where you have already discussed this, can you send - thanks!
- Mike Bracco
Mike: agreed Loic "Bloomberg for Social media" sums it up perfectly. Also I am not a fan of peoplebrowser think Steamy is cleaner if you want to go untethered. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
- Chad Harris
from email
Chad: Thanks and makes total sense.
- Mike Bracco
Thanks also ment to type "Streamy" not steamy, thumbs need a diet :) Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
- Chad Harris
from email
Seesmic Desktop is too buggy for my liking... and I've tried to like it. Userlists are often completely incorrect... and randomly at that. I don't much care for any of the AIR apps. They just don't "feel" good.
- John
Robert: I'm curious - If Twitter decides to use advertising as part of their business model, how will apps like seesmic etc impact Twitter - if they block advertisements, which are displayed on the Twitter web page? If so many users won't see the ads, how will that hurt Twitter's model?
- Jim Connolly
LOL.
- Mona Nomura
damn! this thread is still going! scoble's threads are epic!
- Jason Pollock
Jim: the advertising money is in search. So, what happens if Seesmic Desktop does a metasearch that uses Twitter, Facebook, and friendfeed to present to you the best possible display? Wouldn't that hurt Twitter's ability to sell advertising? I think it would. The one who is in charge of the display controls where the ads go. The one who has the relationship with the user controls the...
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- Robert Scoble
I like Seesmic's functionality but really dislike the interface. It's all a little clunky and a little ugly. Plus the left panel takes up way too much space. Air apps aren't may fav. Seesmic should look at Tweetie on the mac for design ideas.
- Wo
How do you search Facebook on Seesmic?
- Wo
Didn't read all 400+ comments. Seesmic desktop is poopy compared to Nambu. Try Nambu.
- Jason Mayoff
from Nambu
Robert: I'm waiting on my invite :)
- James Poling
from email
does anyone know how many users are registered on friendfeed ? :)
- Pretty Monkey Studio
It has 103.33 million accounts
- David Lloyd
cool thx mark
- Pretty Monkey Studio
can't believe this thread is still active
- Loic Le Meur
Wow this is still going on?? LOL
- Alex Knight
Jason - Nambu is crash happy, at least Seesmic Desktop doesn't crash.
- Alex Knight
Ari... I think the point is you can now drink orange, apple, tomato and grape juice and it all tastes like the same juice. Things like this make 'where' less important than 'what'
- Johnny
Hey Robert, you're attracting again heh!!! Had to take 2 days off after all the fun we had. I LOVE SD, btw.
- Myrna
Twine Is Taking Off, Now Bigger Than FriendFeed http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... (pretty hard 2 believe)
- momonalona
+1 on hyperboles make you think. Just did a twitter search to measure the buzz around twitter clients: tweetie ~70 tweet per hour, tweetdeck ~150 tweet per hour and seesmic ~30 tweet per hour. But seesmic has $12M in the bank and a charismatic leader - It is going to be an interesting fight!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin: TweetDeck also had a multi month lead over Seesmic. That's going to be tough to beat.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Yes. The challenge for Loic I think is going to be to carve out a market segment: 1) companies managing their brands and communities, 2) social media power users or 3) normal users. 1) is where the short term revenue is, 2) is where the vocal/buzz people are and 3) is where the mass and long term search revenue. I am not sure that you can design one product which will fit the...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
The future is in a desktop app? Everything else is going web-based, into the cloud, and yet for this alone users will flock to some resource-hog? No way, no how. Be web-based or be content to live with only early adopters.
- Maxwell Kennerly
I'm loving Seesmic desktop - i look forward to what adaptations it will make - I want that friend feed pull-in.
- Robert Freeze
The one thing that I have only seen in Nambu is the unread count. Might be missing something but it is just amazing for having searches in there, for mentions and direct messages. It's just wonderful. And is it not Air which security people will tell you is a major danger spot for hacking.
- Oliver Thylmann
Robert: Thanks for the feedback re Twitter's revenue model. Just a thought, but with this thread having (at this point) 425 comments - is there a chance that FRIENDFEED could be the real competition to Twitter? The quality is already here, just a 'little' light on numbers. Thoughts?
- Jim Connolly
Jim: I think there's something interesting happening here in search and in groups. Those are both places there's potential money, but a lot has to happen before that can happen.
- Robert Scoble
Only if we all get more expensive computers, webcams, etc.
- Prokofy Neva
Robert: Are you referring to FriendFeed needing more active users or for the actual FriendFeed platform to change?
- Jim Connolly
I dont know if Seesmic is a threat for Twitter, but I know Robert Scoble knows well how to create a hot thread.
- Jacque
Jacque: That's what I was thinking. :-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Can someone please explain to me how you can search your facebook stream in Seesmic
- Wo
Ari: Not all of these clients are particularly susceptible to Twitter's failwhales. Many features still continue to work, often including search. Some of these clients have backends that cache/queue tweets so even more gets through. So it's not always like having no juice. Furthermore, if you're paying attention to multiple social networks, you're not as concerned or slowed down by one of them becoming inaccessible
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from PeopleBrowsr
I've been using Seesmic Desktop for about a week now. I absolutely love it. I have no use for Tweetdeck now. I sometimes use Hootsuite - mostly for their "Hootlet". But Seesmic Desktop is absolutely wonderful in managing my feeds.
- Curt Mercadante
*bumps*
- sofarsoShawn <Pop-Rocks>
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- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Sorry about that Mark, I bumped it for another conversation I was having about redundancy among the apps. And using various ways of analyzing live data coming in through it.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Visited the Chicago Institute of Art today. Fantastic museum. I'm skipping the MCA because of their lame no photo policy. They have one print each for William Eggleston and Stephen Shore there which was cool seeing in their photography hall. Two really great things came out of my visit there today.
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1. I saw a Richard Estes painting for the first time. The photo realists are a huge inspiration and I was completely awestruck by the actual painting. It looked so much more amazing than anything of his I've ever seen in books.
- Thomas Hawk
All I've had to eat today so far is an egg mcmuffin. No time. Maybe something later.
- Thomas Hawk
2. I've probably complained dozens of times in the past about how photographers like Shore got to shoot in such an amazing decade in the 70s. The colors of that decade were like no other. Especially automobiles, which Shore focused a lot of attention on. Big bold colors. Nothing like the bland colors we get today. I've thought that we lost much of the boldness of color in culture until...
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- Thomas Hawk
looking forward to the photowalk in an hour.
- Thomas Hawk
You should go to the science and technology museum. One of the best in the world.
- Robert Scoble
damn, there's so much here I need to do Robert, but time is so limited. I've still yet to get a car and drive around and shoot my vintage neon. Will hopefully find some time to see that too. Chicago is such an amazing City.
- Thomas Hawk
Cristo. So it seems. And the falcons too or whatever their Hockey team is. People seem to like that too.
- Thomas Hawk
And where is Robert Scoble for the live streaming video???
- Mrsth
Thomas, they are the BlackHAWKS. You shouldn't forget that. :D
- ChiliMac
For the record: it is Art Institute of Chicago.
- Hiro Asari
Cristo: some time I will tell you about the time Buddy Guy sat right next to me while he was playing a concert. Unbelieveable.
- Robert Scoble
Up pat 4:45am Chicago time to go shoot the bean at sunrise. Damn this feels early.
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It is for the time zone, but I'm sure it will be worth it.
- Michael Fidler
That is early! Have fun :)
- Simon Wicks
Got some great shots of the bean at daybreak. Offloading images at the artists cafe and a quick breakfast.
- Thomas Hawk
4:45 IS early! but can't wait to see your shots!
- Nathalie
It sounds like you have some energy now. I can't wait to see the shots
- Michael Fidler
Feels?? Honey, that IS early!! I'm sure you will get some fantastic shots-look forward to seeing them!
- Susan Dennis
I look forward to seeing what you get. My mom was asking about shooting the bean and I told her early morning is probably a good time to shoot it.
- ChiliMac
Thomas! Thank you for the opportunity to shoot with you on the Photowalk in Chicago! It was my 1st Photowalk. I wish you all the best! I can't wait to see your photos. I'm up loading my photos for Moo cards! I hope you get to try Al's Italian beef!
- Mark Williamson
from BuddyFeed
McDonalds in Chicago is crazy. Leather couch seating. Plasmas all over the place. an escalator and elevator. And the trashcans say Merci on them. Someone sure blew the budget building this puppy.
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If I am not mistaken, this is actually a new building on the original site of the first McDonalds
- Alan Morris
No photos of it? :)
- Robert DeBord
Still selling the most unhealthy food and memes on the planet though right? How do you say 'No thanks.' in French?
- Justin Hopkins
from twhirl
Are you at the "Rock and Roll" McDonalds, downtown?
- David Cook
David, yeah, the Rock and Roll one. It has a great McDonald's museum upstairs with lots of old McDonald's memorabilia that I shot for my McDonald's set.
- Thomas Hawk
Robert, no photos yet. I try not to process photos on trips because the time to shoot is so limited and valuable. I really try to focus every possible waking minute shooting. I have to take breaks every so often, but mostly just to free up memory cards, transfer files ot hard drives, etc. I'll start processing once I get back home.
- Thomas Hawk
You might say merci to Dennis Hennequin: http://www.spiegel.de/interna.... Still, most North American outlets are very ugly compared to ours :P
- Jérôme
This one??http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Mrsth
I think you are at the rock'n'roll mcdonalds, but I can't get the pic up to confirm it
- RAPatton
1UP RAPatton
- Akiva
The Rock'n'roll mcdonalds isn't as cool or kitchy as it used to be. It is over by Ed Debevics and Gino's East (They moved that a few years ago).
- RAPatton
bid the food still taste like MCCrap.
- John D Reasor
interesting will have to check that out next time I am there
- (jeff)isageek
Shooting the Chicago Memorial Day parade I'm struck by the fact that 95% of the young kids marching in ROTC units are minorities. Maybe it's just Chicago though.
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The Mayor of Chicago said that this is the only Memorial Day parade in a major US city.
- Thomas Hawk
It really depends on which High School and what neighborhood it's in.
- David Cook
I understand that the miltary has quite a vew minorities because of the education benefits. Which is interesting giving the neocons R the ones always always wanting 2 send someone else's child into battle.
- R. Ferguson
A lot of Chicago High Schools are predominately one race depending on where they're at.
- David Cook
That's Chicago! I love Chicago. Will see you at the Bean tonight!
- Mark Williamson
from BuddyFeed
Yes, it could definitely just be Chicago. Whole ROTC units though are composed of basically all young black kids. I wonder if the statistics towards ROTC more broadly represent the general population. I'm sure in someplace like Kansas or Iowa you might get a different racial statistic.
- Thomas Hawk
Looking forward tothe photowalk tonight Mark!
- Thomas Hawk
taking a quick break at a Starbucks to offload 24GB of images that I shot of the parade to my Mac. Going to head over to the Chicago Institute of art after that and shoot there for the next few hours before our photowalk tonight at 6pm.
- Thomas Hawk
I'm always interested in stopping off at non-Starbucks locations when I travel but Starbucks is just too damn convenient. Caffeine, check. Restroom, check. Free wifi, check. Electricity to recharge all my gadgets (Mac, iPhone, camera battery), check. Starbucks' consistency in all of these areas give it an advantage over lessor known coffee shops.
- Thomas Hawk
I see what you mean...http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Mrsth
The reason you saw so many minorities is because a lot of the young white families move to the suburbs once they have kids. The Chicago schools have not been very good for a while and the city taxes are just to high.
- ChiliMac
just boarded my plane for Chicago
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Have a good trip!
- Joseph Burford
Touched down in Denver. Changing planes to Chicago.
- Thomas Hawk
Just touched down at Midway Airport in Chicago.
- Thomas Hawk
Don't forget your camera! :P
- Kreg Steppe
Btw TH,when u get here, good coffee downtown chi-town is at Intelligentcia Coffee. 10x better than *bucks.
- Jim Porett
Yay!! Say hi to Chicago for me. I miss it. OH! And go to the Shedd! The Oceanarium just reopened after 9 months of renovations! And take the architecture boat tour on the Chicago river. BEST WAY to see the city. :-)
- Lisa L. Seifert | FHG™
Anna Marie and I will be hitting the architecture boat tour next weekend on our trip to Chi-town.
- Jeanine W.
from IM
Having my first Chicago pizza ever. A small peporoni and mushroom stuffed at Giordano's.
- Thomas Hawk
Wow. This may be the best pizza I've ever had in my life. No wonder there was an hour and a half wait at 8pm
- Thomas Hawk
I love Chicago
- RAPatton
Girodano's is very cheesy. I go back and forth between that and Gino's East when I want good thick pizza.
- Tinfoil 2.0
My favorite city. Work or Pleasure?
- Adriana
The cheese is incredible. I never thought I'd find pizza better than Zacharays.
- Thomas Hawk
Adriana, pure pleasure. Nonstop shooting thru Tue.
- Thomas Hawk
Have fun Thomas! :)
- Michael Forian
have a nice trip!
- Anna Lynn M.
Can't wait to see the pics!!! =D
- David Cook
Shot the Marina Village this morning. Beautiful towers. Then the theater district. I think I'm going to shoot the Memorial Day Parade at noon, then try to hit the Art Institute and meet up with folks for the photowalk at the Bean at 6pm.
- Thomas Hawk
Let's Stop Speaking Like Machines and Start Speaking Like People - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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"Are you a big fan of hash tags? Or are you wild about boolean searches? Do you find yourself reverting back to "Run DOS Run" instead of just typing and talking like a human being often online? Despite billions of dollars of investment and a plethora of companies trying to develop natural language (especially in search), we still have a long way to go."
- Chris Messina
from Mento
Word!
- Nils Hitze
from twhirl
This is mainly a UI issue I think. You can find almost anything if you use all the filters available (AND,OR,+,-,filter:,""), it's just that they're annoying to type and remember for most. If the app developer put a UI in front of the typical search box and *not* called it 'Advanced Search', it would help guide the user to a more successful search.
- Mohamed J
Internets are 30 years old, WWW is getting older than our school children. We got the world plastered in tags for six years now (thanks to Flickr and Delicious). And Web Marketers along with "Social Media Experts" don't get what "metadata" is. Still. Makes us all sad.
- Arcanized Crime
http://staynalive.com/article... and http://staynalive.com/article... - hashtags and @'s are hacks for a broken system
- Jesse Stay
Who says the human language is the most expressive one? While I believe that natural language recognition *will* improve I also bet that we'll adapt to "machine languages", too.
- Fabian Neumann
Humans don't generally speak in 140 character bursts, to be fair.
- David Young
And your alternative for indexing groups, movements, thoughts, behaviors in 140 characters would be?
- Gregg Scott
Machines are some of the nicest people I know. Don't be a hater :-)
- Todd Hoff
Hashtags are underrated and over-maligned here. Machines should not be expected with <140 chars to classify a half-baked thought into a meaningful meme that fits into a hierarchical structure. Hashtags may not always be necessary but they can be useful for top-down content organization.
- Ryan Miller
Used judiciously, hashtags can be very useful indeed as I found myself when I got encouraged to live tweet 2 Pharma meetings many of my friends wanted to follow easily but couldn't attend.
- Sally Church
Why not talk the native language? If I'm in France, what should I speak? I do a lot of (non-union) light work for theatres. If I tell the director that a lamp has blown, they fear they lost a piece of equipment that costs several hundreds of dollars. I constantly have to remind myself to use "non-technical" theatre terms in a theatre environment. (lamp==light bulb for most people.) Ever talk to a musician? Won't go into anything else. What you define as language can also be as slang or technical language...
- Todd Zaba
When machines understand human language, they'll decide we're primitive and kill us all. Fact. :P
- Bwana ☠
Why Internet Explorer 8 disappoints web developers - http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs...
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Still no round-corners in IE!
- zokiboy
Excellent commentary, Paul. "But there is a 'blame Microsoft' mentality that's so easy to fall into. Where is the praise for moving so aggressively towards web standards?" Indeed! As a Web Developer, myself, I am surrounded by colleagues with this mentality, an affliction I refer to as: MDS (Microsoft Derangement Syndrome). From my perspective, IE8 is a most welcome evolution of IE, and...
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- Phil Essing
Well I guess that you really don't care about this either: http://www.isolani.co.uk/blog...
- Tim Child
Well said Phil. It goes both ways.
- Eric - Feed of Dreams
Getting on a conference call with the ACLU and a few other photographers to begin a discussion with the ACLU about photographer's rights issues. Will report back more later.
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If you can, give details!!
- Shevonne
Bummer there's no live feed. Would love to be a fly on the wall with this one.
- Ken Davidson
Good for you. In the words of John Wayne "It's getting re-goddamned-diculous."
- Rob LaRosa
A very interesting call with the ACLU. I apologize that I'm not able to share any information from the call here yet (the discussions are confidential at this point) but I think the ACLU's interest in photographer's First Amendment rights is a very positive thing and will likely be able to advance things in ways that blogging alone cannot. Sorry I can't be clearer on today's call.
- Thomas Hawk
Good for you, Thomas....keep moving it forward. Report or not
- Richard Binhammer
Next, We'll see Thomas in front of a Congressional hearing (with camera)
- Kreg Steppe
Cafe-Shaped Conversations - http://www.chrisbrogan.com/cafe-sh...
"Everytime I go to Paris I see CocaCola advertisements on umbrellas over those tables. When I went to Mexico, I saw the same thing. When I went to China, I saw the same thing. Maybe business is ALL about those cafe-sized conversations but we’ve just been missing it all along? I have ways that major brands can engage with fairly large numbers four people at a time. I am the umbrella brand. :-)"
- Robert Scoble
Make that trance. Not sure what trace music is. :D
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It's what they find in your urine within 2 days of music injection.
- Dimitri Glazkov
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