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For Team Lijit, your spokesmodels haz arrived in duplicate.
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Anne Haynes, Daniel Brusilovsky, Kol Tregaskes and 44 other people liked this
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- Bwana ☠
You know, the right angle and perspective, the shot with the light behind little lijit could have been really impressive :)
- Dave Edens
kids love stickers! suppose it's about time parents capitalize:) too funny
- Rick Bucich
Cute, but what the heck is lijit?
- Sunshine
Picture number two looks like she's screaming "LIJIT" =D
- FFing Enigma
Sunshine, Lijit is a blog search and analytics company. http://www.lijit.com/ They have a new ad network as well.
- Louis Gray
Now we just need a flash animation with random pictures and MC Hammer's "2 Legit 2 Quit"
- Bwana ☠
Sarah does have the wildest facial expressions, Aden. No question. :)
- Louis Gray
I could probably make that for ya Bwana, but it feels a little weird, the idea of Photoshopping someone else's kids...
- GeekDads.TV
GeekDads... these kids are Open Source. Go for it. :)
- Louis Gray
Nice work Louis. Let me know if you need more Lijit stickers for future photoshoots!
- Tara
Bwana said what I was going to say. Two Lejit 2 Quit. I use their service. I recommend others check them out.
- Mike Lewis
Lijit (and Micah) is The Awesome. I use them on several of my blogs now, and more to come. (They'd already be on all, but hey, limited time these days)
- Leslie Poston
If I didn't know you Louis, I'd cry child geekdangerment.
- drew olanoff
oh, and Louis's kids are pretty awesome too. ahem. :)
- Leslie Poston
Classic.
- Greg Keller
Two Legit. Awesome.
- Kevin Fox
Love the second shot.
- Akiva
Cool! wait... where's our stickers?
- AJ Batac
Nevermind the stickers, I want Sarah's dress!
- Charley M
Thanks Louis--I guess you're saying you recommend it then?
- Sunshine
Sunshine, Lijit is the best blog search tool, period. I've used it for a few years, well before I got fun stickers.
- Louis Gray
I can't wait til the twins are like...15, 16? Louis is gonna be in for it.
- Derrick
Derrick, by the time they are that age, I am sure I will have made many more important mistakes for them to remember. :)
- Louis Gray
That's right, Derrick, when they see this stuff their father put up on their behalf, there will be some serious payback.
- Francine Hardaway
@LenDevanna sorry, I think you're busier than me, so your email 'credit' is no good here. You'll have to earn your own interest. ;)
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The woman who gave birth to octuplets is less impressive when you realize all she did was have four sets of twins. http://www.inquisitr.com/16561...
Anne Bouey, Arne-Per, Bill Romanos and 7 other people liked this
Nope. Actually she isn't any less impressive. Even having one is a feat
- Adriana
Adriana, I actually think it's amazing. The babies are in fantastic health and the 8th was a surprise. We're huge multiples fans in our family.
- Louis Gray
"all she did was have four sets of twins" wow, so harsh! LOL
- Susan Beebe
Twins used to depress me. These perfectly duplicated little human machines are like a little road sign nature throws up every now and then as a way of making us question our belief in God and soul. I'm an atheist now, so I'm no longer bothered.
- Gregg H.
ha, hahahaha Louis! Yes, 4 sets of twins- at once! ;)
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
Thankfully, the title on the article the tinyurl points to is misleading, i.e. "Woman gives birth to octuplets (video) "
- Ken Sheppardson
Consider yourself lucky Louis, you only had one set :P
- Shey
Yeah, four dual-cores! That's not even cutting edge technology.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Wow your family has multiples? That is so beautiful! We have lots of twins in ours as well, but never got triplets or anything crazy fun like that! ; )
- Adriana
The fact that she already has six kids makes this a bit over the top.
- Phil Boiarski
The fact that she said that she plans to breast feed all of them...well, that's just insane....
- Morgan
@Morgan, yes, my wife and I have some doubts as to that happening. Color us skeptical. There's just not enough time and... resources.
- Louis Gray
It's more awesome that there are 4 sets of twins. 8 identical babies would be a social nightmare. 4 sets of twins has the makings of an awesome TV show where they find new ways to play off the 'mistaken identity' bit every week!
- Kevin Fox
@Kevin, I was being facetious. I know she ended up with 6 and 2, but don't know if there are any identicals. Still, twins rock - and yes, I'm biased.
- Louis Gray
Sounds even more incredible to me.
- Corvida
The wiki article is fully of scary details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... -- there's no mention of a father being involved, so I think it's just the mom, her six previous children, her grandparents, and now 8 more.
- Stephen Mack
The local news last night reported: 1) the woman had 8 embryos implanted, 2) she was given the option to selectively terminate some and declined, 3) a grandparent was interviewed and said the father is a contractor in Iraq and is now heading back to be able to support them all, 4) the neighbors thought she was a single mom (probably because of 3 above).
- Ken Gidley
"The grandfather, she adds, is apparently going to head back to his native Iraq to earn money for the growing family. He told CBS News he's a former Iraqi military man." -- CBS News http://is.gd/hOWV
- Ken Sheppardson
One baby this premature and with such low weight costs about one million dollars to get him or her viable. That's $8,000,000 SOMEbody is having to spend because of this, and it's obviously not the parents or grandparents. I think it's a pretty sick world where you can kill babies in the exact same conditon because they "aren't human" or "aren't viable" but you can force somebody else to...
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- Dawn
Since she's getting so much attention, you can bet there will be other young women who go this route. Multiple births are going to become "fashionable." Just wait.
- Dawn
To be honest I can't even believe her she lives with her parents and they also bancrupt...question is this normal birth or they implented the eggs
- Live Crunch Blog
from twhirl
At this rate, more babies than trees.
- Phil Boiarski
Why ‘Friending’ Will Be Obsolete - http://www.web-strategist.com/blog...
Çiğdem Eşim, Dimitar Vesselinov, Brian Rainey and 42 other people liked this
Jeremiah, like a lot of people, misses the point of Friendship. People aren't relegated to mere collections of topics to be parsed into hashtags or filters: they're above and beyond that. News and content discovery needs to be better removed from the whole social connection process, but it's not going to make "Friending" obsolete. Being able to follow people, not topics, is the appeal...
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- Mark Trapp
Friending to me is saying I enjoy that person's perspective. If everyone tags using "#relatedmusic" then there is no perspective anymore and you are just getting a big dump of everything. The curator feature of relationships is difficult to do away with.
- Todd Hoff
+1 @todd...i love that word 'curator.' people--as filters--will always matter in a so-called 'social' context.
- .LAG liked that
mark: i agree w/ your perspective but i saw the post as stating that a better way to discover and auto-follow "friends" would be possible via this systemic approach to topics/themes/memes/interests when some of these capabilities mature - one of the potentials of semantic web right?
- mike "glemak" dunn
Mike: but friends aren't merely collections of topics. Better filtering and content discovery is one part of the solution, but easier ways to figure out what your existing connections are doing are just as important. I go back to an example I used a while ago: I may have no interest in car talk, but I want to know when my friend gets a new car, and I want to hear what he has to say about it. Merely reducing it to topical analysis means I miss a big event in my friend's life.
- Mark Trapp
love the idea of curator. Works especially well with faving photos that show up in FF.
- Thomas Hawk
mark: totally agree, not ruling out presence aggregation (i think ff already works really well for this & the primary reason i like it so much) - saw this post as augmenting an already existing social net - btw, i don't think the current system of manually finding/following is broken - but that's just me ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
A lot of folks missed the point of the whole post. This isn't about 'friending' that's just but once example. The bigger point is = the web is going to be a sentient being.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah: you wrote about how the act of friending would be obsolete because we're teaching some nebulous system a set of rules to figure out how we determine friends. I'm saying Friendship isn't programmatic: it's not just a different form of interest profiling. Rulesets can apply to a lot of things in social media, but Friendship transcends a list of rules to be parsed. I've written about this subject here: http://marktrapp.com/tags...
- Mark Trapp
Mark... spot on. I may not even want to friend the same people on different services, may use different filters on different services for the same friends, etc. I want this kind of thing to be manual. I want to retain control of how my time is used and what information I see.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Mark. Have you seen Xobni? It's already tracking who my contacts are by email usage without my explicitly saying that someone is a friend. This is already happening.
- Jeremiah Owyang
agreed jeremiah - web as sentient being is a stretch (which i'm sure is the way you meant it) but not the progress that will help to produce the semantic web which should be very revolutionary...
- mike "glemak" dunn
I've not said the "S" word Mike. I'm trying to approach this 'next next' without using any buzz. Taking a pragmatic approach. But yeah, we agree.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah: your contacts are not necessarily your friends. I have a list of people, like vendors, who I have to email regularly, nevertheless, I don't care about their daily lives and I don't have a sense of real attachment to them. You're conflating two different terms here: Friendship isn't a keyword search, it's not your address book; it's more than that.
- Mark Trapp
Jeremiah: I agree that there's a lot of stuff, programmatically, that could be done to figure out very useful relationship graphs: most frequently contacted, business associates, etc. But you're always going to need to explicitly state "This person is a friend." It's not reducible to a parse, and for that group of people, your actual friends and the people you care about the most, "friending" isn't going to be obsolete.
- Mark Trapp
Well put, Mark.
- Anthony Citrano
hashtag is a metadata. With enough metadata, you can find out relationships between people or information. Though I think the next step is finding relationship or connection without having explicit metadata.
- Leon Ho
Might be instructive to take a page out of (formal) social network analysis...look at users' behavior to infer/interpolate relationship information. This has been done (for example) analyzing massive amounts of data from cell phone users' anonymized call logs. Not too hard to figure out which phone numbers belong to friends, which to family, which to Domino's, etc. Watching users' interactions can educate a "smart enough" system about the relationships (friendships and other kinds) among the users.
- Andy Shaindlin
I have been (and still are) interested of how data mining allows to create maps of social connections and information they share between each other. There are huge privacy risks in that kind of things but it looks like that world is getting more and more full of all kinds of sources of data. Sooner or later people start to notice that there are tons of information about themselves even if they haven't shared anything publicly (or that is the way many people think).
- Daniel Schildt
Jeremiah wrote about "Teaching the System" and while there are issues related to connecting different systems together, there will be more and more conversation about how to connect huge databases to create massive pools of data. Even if that data is located in separate locations, application interfaces allow systems to communicate between them and make distributed data mining by just transferring results to another service.
- Daniel Schildt
I just find it distracting that in longer run at least some of the systems will become tools to track and control people. It's not the functionality, it's how features are used. There will be more talk about ethics of data mining but does that really change much of how things are getting to on later stages?
- Daniel Schildt
People's identity in on the way to "higher level" as it's being digitized in many ways from credit card data to click and location tracking online and offline. Some people say that they don't have anything to hide. OK, it may feel like that but do they really think that in future? I don't want to be paranoid, not even close to that kind of feeling but I'm just kind of pessimistic of ways many things look they would be going to.
- Daniel Schildt
In my opinion there should be more conversation of what are privacy aspects of society where information is openly traded between different systems maintained by individuals, companies and governments. Who controls the data or are things getting little bit out of hands? Or is the free flow of information best way to do things always when we are talking about amount of private and public information there are already in databases around the world? Who says the last word on how that info is used?
- Daniel Schildt
So knowing that, isn't it our choice to decide how much to put out there? Also, there are sites / services that aren't indexed. Why not go that route? - just asking.
- Mona Nomura
I'm not saying that it would be bad that public information gets indexed and combined. I'm just saying that in long run the difference between private and public is going to get mixed. It's our choice to decide what we publish or not but there is much information about ourselves that most people don't even know to exist. That is the main thing that makes me to be somewhat pessimistic of future.
- Daniel Schildt
Question: if you follow a blogger on FriendFeed and/or Twitter, do you still subscribe to the RSS feed for their blog?
, Lu Tao, Arne-Per and 10 other people liked this
Depends what they blog about, but mostly I would
- embee
Yes.
- Czar
Yes, because I'm more likely to miss their blog posts here.
- Martin Bryant
Usually.
- Louis Gray
Yes.
- michael sean wright
Yes. +1 for the reason Martin gave.
- Atul Arora
Yeah, FF and RSS are two different streams to me, even with the overlap.
- Kevin Bondelli
yes
- Susan Beebe
yes
- Duncan Riley
Depending on the content, Yes
- Far
Yes. With my particular workflow, I have more of a chance of seeing a blog post in an RSS feed than in a lifestream feed.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
most of the good blogs aren't here. that doesn't leave me that option. perhaps if I were a tech elitist with my thumb up my ass I might have that problem
- NoahDavidSimon
Yeah, there's too much other stuff in Twitter and FriendFeed: RSS readers give me just the feed.
- Mark Trapp
Yes, mostly because there is too much you can miss on FriendFeed and twitter. I want to read the RSS feed almost always.
- Rob Diana
yes!
- timepilot
RSS is like reading the paper, I might only skim the headlines, but I DO read them.. Twitter and Friendfeed contain much (MUCH) more noise and is more like zapping tv-channels
- Pascal
9 out 10 times, yes.
- Warner Crocker
definatly, I've found all kinds of great new blogs to subscribe to on friendfeed
- John Duff
More than likely if they share other content outside of their own.
- Corvida
When I want to hear pure signal with no noise - absolutely!
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
everyone: thanks for your replies!
- Mark Dykeman
everyone said yes. hmmmm...i say no. only because a lot of people blog on things that do not hold my interest, yet their participation FF is sometimes interesting. looking at my subscribers lists and feed stats, i'd say that my blog doesn't hold the interest of anyone who subscribes to me here.
- Anika
Faboo, I think those of us who said "yes" would've subscribed to the blog outside of a user's participation on FriendFeed: that is, FriendFeed doesn't replace anyone's RSS reader. I subscribe to maybe 5-10% of my subscriptions' blogs, and I follow them in Google Reader, not FriendFeed.
- Mark Trapp
oh i get you mark..i guess i'm seeing the question in a different way.
- Anika
Completely depends on the individual. I usually will use Twitter to find people who have something to say and then grab their RSS feed.
- Al Stevens
Sometimes
- Igor Poltavskiy
Sometimes
- Charlie Anzman
Yeah, but I haven't got time to check RSS anymore
- a runcible MiniMage
I use my RSS aggregator to filter out the stuff I am pretty sure isn't of interest. I use Friendfeed to see what items have caught the interest of colleagues and friends, which acts as a balance to any internal bias I might exercise in filtering the RSS material.
- Jill O'Neill
Nope. FF only.
- Kevin Gamble
Good snail mail day. Moo cards with blog info, and new @strands onesies for the twins. Both were much anticipated.
Jesse Stay, Arne-Per, drew olanoff and 2 other people liked this
Yay, we want to see pictures!@#!@#! and Videos!@#!@# and all of that!#@#
- drew olanoff
Pics or it didn't happen
- Jesse Stay
Thom Ross' Amazing Buffalo Bill Wild West Show Photo Recreation - http://thomashawk.com/2008...
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Mo Kargas, Paul Haahr, Victor Ryden 美久太阿 and 22 other people liked this
In September of 1902 the above photo was taken of showman "Buffalo Bill" Cody and his traveling Wild West Show on San Francisco's Ocean Beach. It was a massive photograph, especially for the day, of one of the world's most famous and popular entertainment acts. It's a tremendous piece of history. Artist Thom Ross for the past two weeks has staged an amazing and dramatic reinterpretation of this original photograph at the exact site of the original -- 106 years earlier just below the Cliff House on San Francisco's Ocean Beach. Ross built life sized replicas cut from plywood and extensively painted all of the characters on horseback in the original photo. I talked to Ross last week about his creation and he told me that it took him two years to make all of the figures. Two years of work to recreate a single photograph for a two week public exhibit.
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
check out the photosynth I made here: http://photosynth.net/view...
- Thomas Hawk
photosynth doesn't work on linux :(
- imabonehead
yeah, sorry guys, photosynth doesn't work on linux or Macs or in Google's Chrome browser. It's still pretty early Microsoft technology. But it's pretty cool if you can see it on a PC.
- Thomas Hawk
i'm on a mac and photosynth did not work. can u tell me what photosynth is?
- Curtis McElhinney
from twhirl
Curtis, Photosynth stitches all of the photos together and returns a 3D like rendering of the photos. I thought it worked well in this case because the line of painted sculptures was super long and it was hard to truly do a representative single photo. It is a bummer that it won't work on a Mac. I use a Mac as my primary computer so that's kept me from using it as much as I'd like. But it is cool tech to watch on a PC.
- Thomas Hawk
How did we end up back on these apps that aren't platform-agnostic?
- Glenn Batuyong
from twhirl
I viewed the Photosynth. It wasn't what I expected. I thought they would stitch together. I tried the Switch to the Next 3d Group but it mostly showed single photos.
- Russellreno
Glenn, I think that they are working on a Mac version too but the tech is still early. Photosynth came out of MSFT Research and was just released a few weeks back. I suspect at some point it will work on all platforms, but obviously MSFT is incented to make sure it works on their platform first.
- Thomas Hawk
I highly doubt they will make a port for Linux, but they would for the Mac.
- imabonehead
When vendors say they are "top tier" or "industry leading" ask them to cite the source proving that --or ask them to remove it from the PPT
AJ Kohn, Hutch Carpenter, Casey and 4 other people liked this
Wishing I had super-human strength like Louis Gray so I could manage FriendFeed, my blog, and a full-time job all at the same time - this is hard!
Susan Beebe, Franklin Pettit, Mari Smith and 34 other people liked this
Not going to happen for you. :-)
- Louis Gray
So Louis Gray actually does have super human strenghth? I knew it!
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Or a computer-literate octopus :)
- Johnny
There's something special about those babies, can't put my finger on it
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
maybe we need a Little Known Facts of Louis Gray meme...kidding.
- Anika
I'm seeing you publish 24/7 too.
- Andrew Warner
Faboo, that meme is here: http://friendfeed.com/rooms... (Not endorsed by me)
- Louis Gray
HA! You want the "Louis Gray Super Kickass Social Network Following Power" (http://blog.justinkorn.com/index...) Good luck to you and let me know when you find it!
- Justin Korn
Just cranked out my second blog post for today: http://staynalive.com/article... ;)
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
I'm going to have to wait till tomorrow to read it in Google Reader...well done though!
- Justin Korn
Think you forgot the twins in that list...
- Andy Davies
Yep, your #1 ennemy is TIME
- TiTi
Okay.. Justin! It's time... You and I are going to write 5 consecutive posts breaking down the "Louis Gray Super Kickass Social Network Following Power".. and I'm talking BREAK DOWN.. step by step.. scrutinizing everything
- Kyle Lacy
Louis is a force. He's like... the blue light saber guy. You can't be Louis! Get your butt back down to the droids and scrub off all that carbon scoring!
- Chris Brogan
Don't forget the twins as well as children aren't easy especially when there is two babies!!
- Joe Dawson
+1 Joe. +1 Chris. I am just a lowly droid
- Kyle Lacy
True story - I inadvertently entered a search term as a FriendFeed entry. Because of its embarrassing nature, I deleted the entry a minute or two later - but Louis had already saved a screen capture of it. I guess blackmail provides money for baby clothes :)
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
don't forget the twins!
- acedanger
I'm convinced that there is more than one Louis Gray. He is a living Multiplicity.
- DGentry
Louis is really 12 people in one - Louis Gray is the 'parent company'
- Charlie Anzman
And on the eighth day, God created Louis Gray.
- Shawn Farner
I think Louis *is* the internet.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
No, what you wish is that you had a job that allowed you to be on FriendFeed + blogging all day :-)
- Duncan Riley
+1 Duncan
- Kyle Lacy
+2 Duncan...
- JA Castillo
I thought Louis Gray was Sarah Palin...
- Andrew Feinberg
If Sarah Palin even KNEW Louis Gray, she'd have all the experience she needs.
- Shawn Farner
Louis is a clone! There are multiple Louises...Loui? Louis's? :)
- Sarah Perez
The trick is never to sleep, or to sleep with your eyes open. Both are acceptable.
- Steve Spalding
Sarah, Louis is a "royal we", so it remains "Louis" ;)
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
+3 Duncan
- Igor Poltavskiy
now you guys know why i never launched a blog (yet)
- Susan Beebe
Meryl Smith Art: "Tea Shirt" - http://merylsmith.blogspot.com/2008...
Arne-Per, nouhad, Bren and 2 other people liked this
HAHAHAHA...but I do like it :D
- Anna Haro
That's so weird LOL!
- Mona Nomura
tea's a great dye. also perfect for dark-haired people who want to retain color in their hair without those gross chemicals.
- Anika
Like henna?
- Mona Nomura
yes, but far less messy...and red. :D
- Anika
World Record: Non Blinking Woman - http://www.veryfunnyads.com/index...
Ha3rvey (F please!), Jeff P. Henderson, Ronald and 26 other people liked this
O RLY?
- Josh Haley
+1 Josh
- ::Kristen::
Josh wins internets.
- David Young
It's a great commercial. Watch the whole thing.
- Josh Haley
I did. I felt my eyes start to water half way through. Funny stuff though.
- David Young
That's great!
- Barron Fujimoto
chocolates ftw!
- Andrew David
bad breath
- NoahDavidSimon
i like!! it's quite unique compared to many of the boring US commericals.
- imabonehead
looking forward to drilling in Florida, Alaska and also possibly the future Vice President if she is looking to divorce
- NoahDavidSimon
Sarah Endorses ReadBurner
Alexander Marktl, simonpure, Benjamin Golub and 14 other people liked this
I'd say being an advisor has its privileges, but this bib arrived even before our kids. Sarah can't wait to get her hands on an RSS feed reader and start sharing stuff. She just needs to get her own dang laptop.
- Louis Gray
AWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!! How adorable. The kids are too of course ;) Do they know Ajax yet?
- drew olanoff
where is their disclaimer? bib before (how much before...) how sloppy can you be)...
- Arne-Per
Kinda saw this one comin' :) She's soooo cute!
- Charlie Anzman
I'd like to also say that this bib was sent pre-advisor role as well! :) And that I like turtles.
- drew olanoff
cute kid!
- Josh Haley
How to Use Friendfeed as a Collaborative Business Tool - http://www.chrisbrogan.com/how-to-...
Adam Zuercher, Julius, Arne-Per and 3 other people liked this
How many times this will appear here? :) Double entries are really THE #1 thing to solve on FF. Btw, I like the article though.
- Tibor Holoda
The challenge is participation. I've created a room for my company (Interwoven) and although I have lots of co-workers (including our President) subscribed to the room, I have almost no participation from anyone but me. I continue to share and encourage others to share but I can't seem to get the momentum I was hoping for.
- Tom Wentworth
My wife writes, "OMG, i think Matthew just smiled at me and it was not gas." My answer: "Pictures, or it didn't happen!"
David Cook, Anika, Jasmin Smith and 21 other people liked this
Wait till you get the first laughs! :) I'll never forget Avynn's first laughs - you could tell he was experimenting with it - one time a cry, the next a laugh and then more and more until he was just giggling hysterically. :)
- iTad
This is currently our milestone with our 3 month old daughter. She started to smile about 3 weeks ago, now it's almost non stop. I spend countless minutes with her doing the most ridiculous things to get her to smile. The smile of a newborn puts everything into perspective.
- Mike Fruchter
first laugh is the best....something you'll never forget
- Jeff (Team マクダジ )
I love the fact my son seems to smile the entire time he isn't tired or hungry...best moment was the first time I came home from work and he smiled because he recognised me and my voice...
- Badger Gravling
lol i used to argue with people all the time who told me that our son couldn't smile intentionally at that point. @fruchter our son is 4 months so we are in the midst of the exact same thing. Every day before I leave for work and when I come home I get my smile and the world becomes a little bit better
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
hee hee
- Josh Haley
here's a sleep smile at less than two weeks - definitely not gas. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Laura Norvig
I noticed that babies do smile often when falling asleep.
- Alan Le
oh i miss that sleepsmile thing, my girl did it more than the boy, but we'd watch them for like half an hour.
- Anika
The LDS/Facebook Rumor Didn't Pass the Common Sense Test - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
Rodney Rumford, Arne-Per, Andrew Trinh and 14 other people liked this
Interesting to look at the quote that apparently started the thing: "I heard from an employee close to the deal that the Mormon church’s genealogy business made an unsolicited bid to acquire Facebook." http://secretenemyhideout.com/post... Too many vagaries in the sentence, not only regarding the source, but in the reference to "the Mormon church's genealogy business." One could be a little more specific on the actual entity doing the bidding.
- Ontario Emperor
snopes.com hasn't addressed the Facebook-LDS thingie yet, but they have answered the question "Do the Mormons own the Coca-Cola Company?" http://www.snopes.com/cokelor...
- Ontario Emperor
And Osama bin Laden isn't hiding out in Utah. http://www.snopes.com/rumors...
- Ontario Emperor
The Vatican owns Coca-Cola. And we are allowed to drink it out of the Grail. ;)
- Cyndy
Great, personal point of view and explanation, Louis.
- Rex Hammock
wow...yeah I'm also used to this kind of crap, but this one's just stupid. For one thing, at least locally, I've heard Church leaders cautioning youth not to mess with MySpace because of the risk of predators and questionable content so I can't see them suddenly deciding that Facebook is a good idea (despite the fact that I'm connected to several members via Facebook so we're obviously using it :) ). Oh well, I'll go complain to my many wives now LOL.
- Rob Neville
My wife and I had a good laugh on this one last night. Too absurd to have taken seriously.
- LiquidLag
Lots of rumors don't pass the smell test, but that doesn't stop the more stupid among us from repeating them. Think of all the stupid crap we've heard--are still hearing--regarding Sen. Obama from members of Congress and the media. I can think back to all the LDS rumors from when I was a kid. They were dumb, but nowhere near as harmful and ignorant as the rumors that we Muslims had and have to deal with day from the willfully stupid.
- Anika
I guess you've read Steven Hodson's follow-up post, in which he took the "nonsense" comment personally. In his defense, it should be noted that Hodson did at least cite his sources. And if one takes the tack that the Facebook-LDS story should not have been posted without confirmation, does that also mean that the Inquistr and other outlets should have held off on the Bigfoot story? (I'll grant one difference. The LDS Church has listed contact information. Last I checked, Bigfoot did not.)
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
@Ontario Emporer: I always heard that we (LDS) owned the Pepsi company.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Nah, it was Starbucks. :)
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
Ontario, I have a long record of appreciating Steven's posts. We've been peers and friends for about two years now. That he and I rankle each other now and again is absolutely fine. I think the story was nonsense, but I think he and others who wrote on it are good folks. :-)
- Louis Gray
@Ontario, and if you contacted them, what would you expect them to say? The answer is the same whether it's true or not, 'cause you don't talk about deals before they're done.
- Jason Carreira
Jason, the allegedly acquiring entity could issue a strong denial (we will not acquire Company X), which would close the issue. Or they could say "no comment" or "we have not made a formal offer," which means nothing one way or the other.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
Ontario, any idea how many times companies deny something is taking place when it really was taking place? The corporate pull quote is something you stick in there to show that you were open to hearing from them, but generally, it's not truthiness.
- Cyndy
It still doesn't hurt to ask.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
NewsCred ♥ Matthew and Sarah
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T-shirts courtesy of NewsCred, which launched today at http://www.newscred.com/
- Louis Gray
from email
the poor kids are being pimped out for tshirts now - worked their way up from stickers
- Allen Stern
Were your stickers personalized, Allen? These shirts were pretty good. :-)
- Louis Gray
Future super☆s
- michael sean wright
FriendFeed babies really get people's attention. :)
- Daniel Schildt
Allen, it looks like you lost your chance at some hot recruits.
- Rob Diana
rob - yea i can't compete with tshirts, i don't have vc funding. also, if the kids are going to swap brands every other day, then it's best not to be part of that - it's about loyalty and clearly these kids don't have it - what's next a google bib? yahoo booties? tesla?
- Allen Stern
Allen, the answer is yes to all. These kids are the official "schwag magnets" and those brands that capitalize... capitalize.
- Louis Gray
Attn all startups: Matthew and Sarah will be available for press photos using your schwag this tuesday at the san francisco mall from 2-4pm. Bring your schwag and you get signed photos, a "my schwag's with gray" sticker and your photos placed on flickr. Tipping is allowed. Schedule may change based on #2 duty.
- Allen Stern
Allen: #2, duty, doodie? :-) Maybe Louis could hire the folks from DoodieDuty and outsource that (doodie) duty. :-) http://www.doodieduty.com/
- Lisa L. Seifert | FHG™
How could you not 'like'?
- Charlie Anzman
They are adorable... we were so excited to see this on our launch day. Photos are already up on our wall. PS Allen, we aren't funded either. We just love cute babies.
- Shafqat Islam
Facebook is in talks with Matthew and Sarah. That is the word on the street,
- Mike Fruchter
I think we need better child labor laws here Louis! ha, ha!! Dad's learned how to market those cuties very well!! :-)
- Susan Beebe
Starter Kit: Social Media and Social Networking Best Practices for Business at Fast Wonder Blog: Consulting, Online Communities, and Social Media - http://fastwonderblog.com/2008...
Arne-Per, Kim Mahan, andy brudtkuhl and 2 other people liked this
Tweeting for Companies 101 | ::HorsePigCow:: marketing uncommon - http://www.horsepigcow.com/2008...
Aad 't Hart, Kevin Barrow, Ed Terpening and 6 other people liked this
just hooked up the atari 2600 to the 42 inch plasma with surround sound. I must say its pretty sweet. #atari
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LOL
- acedanger
i dub the - captain awesome
- Jeff Woelker
from twhirl
would love to play Combat again.
- Josh Haley
That's just sick.
- Cyndy
Pics or it didn't happen.
- James (@willia4)
Nice, I miss the Atari 2600.
- Mike Reynolds
James pics/video should be on here soon as well as links on twitter :)
- (jeff)isageek
Nightmare on Bills Street - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Great work Rahsheen -- nicely done!
- Nicholas Kreidberg
It cracks me up cuz it looks exactly like a cheesy commercial you see on TV. I hope those guys aren't spending anymore to make those commercials than I just did..LOL.
- Rahsheen the Dream
Oh come on, you *know* they are! (spending more on advertising)
- Nicholas Kreidberg
That was better acted, written, and produced than any of the cheesy local commercials in these parts ;)
- Michael W. May
Nice Rahsheen niceee
- Gordon Swaby
Thanks, guys. Really appreciate it :) @Nicholas you are probably right on that. People are stupid sometimes.
- Rahsheen the Dream
That could totally pass for a commercial. You're always cracking me up on here, Rahsheen. This is the first time I saw you on video. You should make some money off of that talent (if you're not already).
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Well, this one is obviously for a sponsored post, but if anybody knows a way I can make more than $20 for doing a quick vid....I'm all ears :)
- Rahsheen the Dream
pretty nice video
- Franklin Bishop
Bro.. What the FReaking hell are you doing !?? this is just awsome ! -- you got it man..just get so more sponsors !! shoot me your coords
- Peter Dawson
all i noticed is that your right arm is stronger than your left.
- Jeremiah Owyang
I can't stop laughing. What is this for?
- Justin Korn
LOL! Thanks for pointing out my bodybuilding flaws, Jeremiah. I would switch to dumbells, but I need heavier ones.
- Rahsheen the Dream
i want my settlement now,ow ow,www-oopps wrong commercial-thnx for the laugh
- Arne-Per
ok gor the cord's http://sheenonline.biz/about/
- Peter Dawson
Cool. :)
- Rahsheen the Dream
Scaling Web 2.0 – Reaching The Limits - http://shegeeks.net/scaling...
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I particularly love the advice to Limit the New, Not the Old. It's the same advice Machiavelli thinks would have prevented the fall of the Roman republic. This fascinating history is too long for this edit box so I put here at http://tinyurl.com/68xwbd. And it might just work for Twitter too :-)
- Todd Hoff
The Social Media Prism - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
Al Stevens, Aram Zucker-Scharff, Benedikt Koehler and 3 other people liked this
Read this as The Social Media Prison
- Tony C (Unrated)
White House is Briefed: Phoenix About to Announce "Potential For Life" on Mars - http://www.universetoday.com/2008...
Royce Mathew, americanm, Jesse Stay and 47 other people liked this
"It would appear that the US President has been briefed by Phoenix scientists about the discovery of something more "provocative" than the discovery of water existing on the Martian surface. "..... Holy. Fucking. SHIT.
- dave mcclure
from Bookmarklet
would our president even know what they're talking about? And why would "the president" need to be "briefed" about this? Because if Martians have oil we'll need to bring them democracy first?
- Adam Turetzky
Wow, this is MASSIVE. :) Very cool to see this story unfold.
- sergiooo
I'd be afraid W might launch a massive attack against mars...
- iTad
Extremely awesome news though! :)
- iTad
OMG!
- Andrew Baron
Maybe they found Atlantean technology...
- iTad
Turns out the ice they previously found was in a glass, with scotch. And there's a seriously pissed off martian who wants his/her/its drink back :D. Seriously, the "wet chemistry" sensors won't detect organic compounds or "life building blocks" like sugars or aminoacids, but there's lots of unexpected things up there, apparently. It seems that Mars is way more Earth-like than previously thought. Time to pick up "Pale Blue Dot" again, folks.
- dario
This time around Bush will tell the public that he was given fals information .......
- John Blanton
from twhirl
Bush will never believe there is life in Phoenix; he is a Texan, after all. He won't hear anything after that.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
So there is intelligent life in the Universe, then we could stop pretending we're it :)
- Dani Radu
@dario: clap, clap, clap :)
- dave mcclure
President Bush, the answer is 42
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Very interesting... but no announcement until after the Olympics and maybe the GOP convention, I bet.
- Bill Sodeman
Splash Proof Coatings -A Spray to Make Electronics Waterproof =O!! - http://www.golden-shellback.com/
jho, nate pagel, Marshall Bose and 23 other people liked this
I totally need this.
- CJ
+1
- Mona Nomura
If this works as well as it appears to, the end result will be amazing. Possibilities are endless.
- Dave Roth
Agreed
- Mona Nomura
Wish I had this in Hawaii. :)
- Daynah
Now I can finally dunk my cell phone in my drink like is the first image
- Outsanity
I thought I saw a video covering this a few weeks ago. I'll have to try and dig it up. Nevertheless, I too wants.
- Carlos Ayala
What?! Where! Give to me now pls!
- Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
I read it on a Japanese blog, and apparently it's not out yet. But the projected price = um... $1,000 a can(?)
- Mona Nomura
It was the Tekzilla vid: http://piurl.com/HGp
- Carlos Ayala
Now I can finally get in touch with Aquaman.
- James Ferguson
Want! Where?
- Anthony K. Valley ©
from twhirl
Finally, I can talk on the cell in the shower.
- Geoff Schultz {TF}
Fun fact: as long as you dry out the device before you power it back on, water won't ruin most electronic devices. I once forgot my cell phone in the washing machine, luckily it was off. I took the battery out (*important*), baked it at 125 degrees for about 10 minutes and it was good as new.
- Steve Spalding
trying to decide which is better, waterproofing my laptop or baking at 125...
- FFing Enigma
Can a person that normally would not be considered an A-lister become an A-lister by acting like one?
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We have to first determine the criteria to become an "A Lister", then we can map a course to get there. Thoughts?
- Susan Beebe
Not sure what you mean...
- FFing Enigma
lol I am curious what your definition of "acting like one" would be considered
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Depends on what the "A" actually means. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Absolutely...
- Czar
Since it's an imaginary list with no definition -- definitely.
- Brian Sullivan
My dear, I have no idea what you are talking about. And where's my Kopi Luwak?
- XDpaul
Since an a-list is defined by other people's perception of the people on that list, I don't see what the big hubbub about it would be. If you've convinced enough people that you're exclusively important and desirable to know, you've made the list.
- Mark Trapp
Regardless of what the guideline for an A-Lister is, I do not think you can just act like one. People like that have been called names like "arrogant", "pretender", etc.
- Rob Diana
Well, in my mind, A-listers are highly popular people in the blogosphere that make connections. This is easily visible with Friendfeed's friend-of-a-friend. If Robert Scoble "likes" a post belonging to a person that I am not subscribed to, I have a lot better chance of seeing that post in FriendFeed. If I like the content too, I might subscribe to the person that Robert "liked". A connection is made. So, if a normal person tries to make as many connections as possible, (continued below)
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
(continued from above) can that make him or her popular in the blogosphere, and then an A-lister (because the person would be popular AND make connections; just like other A-listers) ?
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
You mean famous for being famous? I can't think of anybody in that category.
- James Robertson
@XDpaul: HAAaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahah!
- FFing Enigma
possible248: I think you just described Mona.
- Mark Trapp
Consider Robert Scoble. Why is he who he is? He goes out and puts the work in. He is in more Social networks than I care to count. Not to mention his blog. He is always into new and interesting stuff. If you, or anyone else wants to reach his level in the game, theres work that nees to be done, leads followed,new and intersting things covered well, you get my drift. The blogoshere isint...
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- Roberto Bonini
Roberto: I think the one thing that keeps me a good connector is I actually go out to companies and bring you into them. Like yesterday where I met with the CEOs of two separate companies and live videoed both. No one else in the tech industry is doing that. If someone else were to do that, it would be noticed.
- Robert Scoble
@Mark, Mona is not who she is just due to the number of connections. She attracts connections because she is actually interesting or is "talking" about things people like.
- Rob Diana
Check out Wired's article on Julia Allison - http://snurl.com/3b83h - There is a person who is online famous for being online famous.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
from twhirl
never heard of her. - pretty interesting article though to be fair.]
- Zee.
If you simply act like one instead of being one, you're a poser, not an A-lister. Being an A-lister isn't an act. It seems like a job to me.
- Corvida
I refer you to the article in Wired about Julia Allison. It is entirely possible to go A-list based on nothing. It just takes determination, balls and charisma. Oh and shamelessness.
- Tadhg Kelly
Me neither. Never heard of her.
- Rahsheen the Dream
Rob, I think that's still congruous with what possible248 said. Mona isn't popular because of things like Robert Scoble or Jason Calacanis or Michael Arrington do (in that they are popular outside the network and transfer that inherent popularity to wherever they go), her popularity was created because of her participation in the network. That's self-made a-listing right there.
- Mark Trapp
Depends on what you're asking. Can a person act like what they wish to be thought of and then be treated that way? Yes. Can a person actually be an A-lister, a top person with power and prestige, just by acting like that have those things? Maybe, maybe not. It's easier to pretend to be higher than your station IRL, not sure how you get away with that online.
- Paul Rodriguez
What does that mean... to act like an A-lister? The whole "A-lister" business reminds me too much of high school popularity contests.
- Sharon Rosen
Perhaps "act" was not the proper word. Basically, what I'm asking is, can a person become famous in the blogging field *entirely* from making connections? People that are generally considered A-listers do much more than making connections, but the connections are a big part of what A-listers do.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
possible: Mike Arrington was a nobody five years ago. So, yes.
- Robert Scoble
Who is Mike Arrington ?
- Brian Sullivan
But some people underestimate how hard we work, and we do have some regional advantages living where we do. But I watched how hard Mike worked. He out produced all of us and that's simply not easy to do, even though it looks sorta easy from the outside.
- Robert Scoble
Possible248, I think you need at least a minimum of content creation or thought creation for the connections to be made. An a-lister may "like" your stuff or friend you up (creating a great connection), but you need that one thing that gets people with connections to notice you in order for the connection to be formed. Maybe you can get around creating your own content by merely...
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- Mark Trapp
Brian: he's my favorite FriendFeeder, according to FriendFeed, yet he never even shows up here. Now THAT is influence! :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm getting the answer now. A person cannot just put on a cape and pretend to be Cory Doctorow, but if that person is making lots of good connections, it is possible for that person to be considered an "A-lister" by many people.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Well, if a guy was running around trying to talk to popular people dressed as Cory Doctorow in a cape, I'm pretty sure he'd get noticed. I'm also willing to bet Cory Doctorow would devote at least 3 1,000 posts to the guy. Also, what an odd choice for an a-lister.
- Mark Trapp
ok, who is gonna beat the other to the punch on this blog post :)
- Tim Hoeck
from NoiseRiver
I was being sarcastic
- Brian Sullivan
Is this a variation on the Barack Obama is presumptuous thing going on on the political blogs?
- James Joyner
Mike Arrington is another great example. Thanks for bringing him up.
- Roberto Bonini
if you mean well-recognized or respected then it comes by delivering value over and over, and having someone(s) notice often enough to keep looking for you.
- Morgan
I used to lecture people about "power as a living organism" and the key point to my theory was that when your young and starting out it was a good idea to learn the ability to recognize when its within you and when you don't have it because knowing this could make the difference of appearing arrogant and repelling power when you don't have it. It moves from person to person from thing to thing and if you at the same time know when you can utilize it . You become more attractive to it and retain it more oft
- Chris Conway
often. I think this could apply to A list status also. You can not always be on it but recognizing when you are and are not can help you retain that status and utilize it to its max. potential .
- Chris Conway
I think Brian Sullivan is funny and i'm giving him a smiley face on the comment "Since it's an imaginary list with no definition -- definitely" and "I was being sarcastic" heh.
- leigh himel
The A-list isn't really an imaginary list. It's a list that may vary from person to person. But generally, the people that are common in a lot of the lists are what I truly believe to be the A-list.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
There are as many A-lists as there are blogospheres. There is an A-list of techies, an A-list of political bloggers (probably two: one Left one Right), an A-list of medbloggers, educbloggers, sciencebloggers, etc.... and they are unlikely to have even heard of each other. Really. Most political or scienceblog A-listers have never heard of Scoble, or Calacanis, or Dave Winer. And reciprocal unawareness also applies.
- Bora Zivkovic
who cares .. no one gives a shit about a listers or whatever that is.. acting like an a lister??? WTF. no matter what a lister really is, you should never try to act like someone else.
- Josue Salazar
@robert: i think you comment re: mike arrington is key. 5 years is a long time in any career, particularly online. You don't become respected (or notorious or whatever) overnight. You do it by delivering value over and over and over for a long period of time. No one anoints a new king (or queen or royal court) over a few blog posts.
- Morgan
I Think Polling Would Be a Great Feature to Share to FriendFeed - http://www.friendfeed.com/louisgr...
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Rather than asking direct questions, why not have a "Poll" option with multiple choice answers? That seems like a logical extension of "Share Something". "Share a Poll".
- Louis Gray
Even better -- how about a plug-in architecture, so we can add our own modules?
- Dave Winer
Hmm, that might work for some things but be pretty limited in others. I like having the discussions and tangents pop up...
- Lindsay
I could see a polling method where you answer the multiple choice question AND comment. That way there is a simple numerical result, but also a discussion around the topic.
- Kevin L
@Chris, you win for getting it first, And @klecu, I would assume commenting would still be active.
- Louis Gray
It would be a lot better than going through 50+ comments all saying Yes! No! Yes! Yes! No!
- Sam Pullara
Agree.
- Jeff P. Henderson
How would this work? Would the poll answers replace Like in the set of options, and be tallied the Likes are currently?
- j1m
hmm. i dunno.....one thing i like about FF is it follows the KISS principle. Keep It Simple, Stupid. :) It's not trying to do 402 things. It's clean web activity aggregation plus comments...i love it just the way it is. (Well, some sexier filtering and/or the "close friends" item discussed earlier would be cool)
- Jeff (Team マクダジ )
J1m, I was thinking an embedded rectangular box with horizontal bar charts above the comments, which displayed post-voting, with an option to reveal. They are common elsewhere. Likes would be retained.
- Louis Gray
Can you hook up the FriendFeed guys with me? If they want to integrate SocialToo an API is about to be launched for just this. Not just that, but they could just integrate with RSS for a person's "polls" and have those show up automatically in FriendFeed for each new poll.
- Jesse Stay
@dave_winer, can you elaborate on how you see the plugin architecture working? I'd like to be sure that's covered in the new SocialToo polling API
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, the FriendFeed guys watch the site fairly well, and I don't have any more pull than do you over their roadmap.
- Louis Gray
FriendFeed guys, contact me if you're interested in this right away. I can have it ready for you tomorrow, and it's just an RSS feed and flash widget you'd need to pull in.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
@louis heh - sounds like me and Facebook. I get that same question for Facebook all the time and I give the same answer :-)
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
If FriendFeed had a vote we could vote if there should be a vote in FF...
- Jemm
Great idea Louis!
- Mitchell Tsai
great idea
- Rodney Rumford
I like the options of multiple choice polls and surveys. It would be great if we could have both.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Integration to Polldaddy?? http://www.polldaddy.com/poll...
- Patrick Sullivan Jr.
Survey integration for FF and Facebook seems like the way to go. It gives both simple poling and complexity as needed.
- Pratik Patel
I like this idea! I also want VOTING STARS for posts so we can see how much buzz it generates and who likes an item and to what degree it is liked.
- Susan Beebe
Everybody Wants to be Internet Famous - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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ooooh, you put that very well. very well, indeed. but can one pass the baton *back*? i wrote about something related, but didn't think of trolls (because i haven't found any, i suppose). it makes me wish i knew things about anthropology in a formal, official sort of way.
- idnan
I would never want to be "famous". It would be nice to be known for contributing to a "society", but I wouldn't want to go out and be recognized by everyone. On that same token, I can only imagine some of the more internet-famous peoples im's and e-mail's and moderating a million comments, and so on.. no thank you :)
- Tim Hoeck
That's an interesting perspective of trolls and users...
- Czar
Edit: Cyndy - I think you're right on the money here. Trolls are simply taking the most extreme position possible to draw attention to themselves. Much like a person will do outrageous things in public to attract attention with little regard for anything other than blatant self-promotion or the spewing of today's vitriol. While it would be nice to have stature in a field based on a strong personal brand I would never want to be notorious for being an a-hole. (thanks for the heads up Louis)
- Morgan
This is a guest post by Cyndy: http://www.friendfeed.com/fourlit... She's a talented, sharp writer.
- Louis Gray
Internet famous is just the indie way of being normal famous. And while sure, that article gave trolls a voice (which sounds so-democratic doesn't it? What we can only give voices to the things we want to hear? That's how echo chambers are made), it hopefully opened some eyes to things that happen outside the Kool-aid factory. Very real things that just don't 'go away' if you ignore them.
- Eric Rice
I only want Internet fame if it comes with some kind of bonus. Say tax exemption? :)
- Todd Jordan
If it was an issue of 'reaction' then yes, they are guilty of that. They know exactly what buttons to push. Would be interesting to explore 'faux racism', which is knowing for a fact that throwing a slur at just the right angle will cause people to react... as if on cue. So it's not so black and white like 'oh don't feed the trolls.' That's just ignorant, and saying it aloud is almost worse, heh.
- Eric Rice
Eric, I disagree. I really think if they didn't get a reaction, they WOULD go away. What fun is it if no one reacts? The mere fact that they agreed to the interview (and to be photographed) shows that even the reaction wasn't enough. They wanted people to know who they were and recognize what they'd done. It's the same as keeping your clippings or social bookmarking your mentions, but on a much larger and needier scale.
- Cyndy
Cyndy, because they work as an anonymous group and the group itself feeds. Hence the 'for the lulz'.... it's a parallel not just by tech design of a japanese image board, but the idea of individualism isn't a priority. That's why you see so much of the "Anonymous" thing. It's ABOUT the group, but not the ego. It's so much the anti-blogger it's not even funny, and that's why it works. You can't FIND them to ignore them and on paper they 'don't do anything wrong'. It's a subtle pattern of conversation, like +
- Eric Rice
+screwin with the people at the drive-thru window by faking a broken microphone connection. It takes awhile to realize something's up and by that time, lulz accomplished.
- Eric Rice
In short, the blogosphere (read: tech blogosphere) doesn't -get- the lulzsphere...they think they do, but they don't and that's why the dynamic works. Those news articles are only the tip of the iceberg.
- Eric Rice
Eric: You couldn't have said it better. To elaborate on anonymous 'group' manifestation, is 2-chan, the Anonymous BBS of Japan. ie: Akihabara Massacre, Many, many killing sprees have stemmed from 2ch. (extreme examples)
- Mona Nomura
Even if it wasn't for the complexity of the problem people react emotionally to certain topics, always will. Unless everyone consciously chooses their reactions consistently someone will fall for it and give them lulz. Intermittent reinforcement is good enough.
- Goldie Katsu
Eric, I still call BS. Trolls have been around since the BBS and IRC. The group allows anonymity to stretch it out, but the reaction is still what they are after. The lulz is still attention. If every single person ignored them (EVERY LAST ONE) do you honestly think they'd still do it? Firm answer is no, they wouldn't. No attention, no lulz. It has nothing to do with the blogosphere and everything to do with annoying people to get the reaction.
- Cyndy
They THEMSELVES propagate the attention inward, we could ignore all we want but by the time we get affected, they got the lulz. That's why I'm saying it's not this 'oh yeah just ignore them'... by the time you realize you've been had, it's too late, mission is accomplished. I think our def of trolls is varied. Like Igor and Coulter are trolls to Scoble. Lulz are a diff beast where those rules don't apply.
- Eric Rice
kathy sierra tried to ignore her trolls, no? but she couldn't just wish them away until she shuttered her blog. perhaps she could give insight on how easy or hard that is in reality. i more or less agree with @eric's take here.
- .LAG liked that
Eric is right. Trolls often don't care about the attention. They often just want to stop a conversation. You see this most in political blogs where the trolls are actually paid by competition to keep conversations from getting going. Sort of the same way with Apple fans who were urged on by Guy Kawasaki types. Or teenagers who egg cars. Destruction is a goal, too.
- Robert Scoble
"Some men just want to watch the world burn." -- Alfred the Butler
- Karim
No, Kathy Sierra did exactly what they wanted. She reacted. She said she was afraid. She quit blogging. She pulled out of a conference. Trolls won.
- Cyndy
hmmm...but as i understood it from reading the Sierra story as it unfolded, for a long time, she tried to just ignore them, and then the nooses and such started showing up. these people are relentless. i enjoyed your original post, btw. one thing i'd like further exploration on is what kind of axe does "old media" like the NYT have to grind by giving trolls a public platform. if the interweb is painted as a scarier place, doesn't old media benefit?
- .LAG liked that
I'm not really familiar with the Sierra story, but from the comments and the NYT story, it looks like the trolls will push things as far as necessary to get a reaction, no matter how far he has to go. The only thing you can do for defense is to be ready to close everything down and start anew. I don't know how many people would be ready to do that.
- Steve Lowe
Funny thing is I don't want to be Internet famous, hence my handle. If I were to be famous, everyone in the world would want me to come over and fix their computer problems!
- imabonehead
15 Blogs All Bloggers Should Read | Franklin Bishop | Ultimate Blogging Experiment | Make Money Online - http://franklinbishop.net/...
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"Here are “15 Blogs All Bloggers Should Read.” A lot of of times bloggers, especially new ones, do not know where to look for help. Well, look no more."
- Louis Gray
from Bookmarklet
I share this only to point out how much I disagree with this article. Of the 15 blogs listed here as "must reads", I only subscribe to ProBlogger, and the rest don't look interesting. How can you make this list without TechCrunch and Scobleizer, for instance? Here's who I'm reading and sharing: http://www.louisgray.com/live... What about you?
- Louis Gray
Interesting: I've only heard of 2 on that list. Seems like an overstated blog promotion list.
- Mark Trapp
Louis, not all bloggers are tech bloggers -- most of them aren't. It seems this list was aimed at "all bloggers" and helping them with thinking about blogging and the various tools, strategies etc.
- Robert Seidman
So how many of them are must reads to you Robert?
- Louis Gray
How many of them are must reads to me is irrelevant. But, what's relevant is this: if you're blogging about "sports" or "politics", Scobleizer and TechCrunch probably aren't "must reads". I now see you for the "tech-ist" that you are. :-)
- Robert Seidman
i don't know what i think yet, because i heven't read these blogs. i'll formulate an opinion long after it's relevant to comment, but a couple of them look interesting to me. note that i'm not a blogger yet (i've written two posts), so as someone who is neither a part of the superset writer nor the subset blogger, i don't think those look entirely worthless at a glance. lots of "make money" things i'm not interested in, though.
- idnan
Steven, don't ProBlogger and CopyBlogger have the aim of helping people figure out how to make some money too?
- Robert Seidman
cool, thanks Louis!! I appreciate you sharing this.
- Susan Beebe
@Steven: sorry about that, it was Louis and some others who had shown support for Problogger and Copyblogger. Since whatever the blog that wrote this list has "Make Money Online" branding in its page titles, I'm not particularly surprised! ;-)
- Robert Seidman
Robert, I am unabashedly "tech-ist". :-)
- Louis Gray
So sick of lists,
- Andrew Feinberg
Nice list, but got to give it EPIC FAIL status. What it should have said is every blog a blogger who is interested in making money should read. For the record though, I read a good portion of those blogs
- Duncan Riley
I can admit that I subscribed to at least half of those blogs before I read this article. I don't subscribe to TechCrunch and have only read it when linked to from somewhere else. It all depends on your goals and your blogging knowledge (I just started blogging). This list was primarily aimed at Make Money people and a couple of those blogs appear to just be friends or something...obviously no proof on that :)
- Rahsheen the Dream
Another angle to look at "best" blogs is perhaps in terms of their "value" http://bit.ly/89uj9 .
- Hayk
I have to admit that I'm subscribed to some of these blogs, although they are not my favourites by far. It's just that I have to keep track on what's new in the Blogosphere, so that I'm able to report on that. Most of them I really hate, because it's all the time about moneymaking via blogs. I try not to mention them in my posts. :-)
- Ton Zijp
+1 on Duncan Riley's comment. If all you are interested in is blogging for profit, then maybe these are must-reads. But if you are not then why read any of them?
- Tom Quinn
I disagree. Most of these sites appear to be all about making money while blogging.
- Corvida
sure, let's just put techcrunch on every "must read" blog list - yea that's a great idea... c'mon people. if that's the case, then certainly over a short period, the list will be one blog. probably the same in every single category.
- Allen Stern
@corvida, bloggers love to blog about blogging... it's very meta... and navel gazing
- Jason Carreira
I've read most of those blogs and most of them certainly do have their good points. There is certainly a heavy emphasis on how to monetize your blogging in a number of those blogs or on social media marketing. However, there's plenty of other good blogs out there if you want a good read or want to learn some new stuff. The title/theme was too overarching to match the material, IMHO.
- Mark Dykeman
what's with the bitching, sure we all hate lists, but this one ain't that bad
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Making money while blogging and building a blog that is a "success" both come down to a single goal: Traffic. I'm sure nobody on this list will doubt that problogger is a good blog...so you can't just discount all the smaller blogs on the same topic. This type of thinking is why there is an echo chamber in the first place. As Morpheus said, "Free your mind" :)
- Rahsheen the Dream
@Jason Carriera That's why this list isn't the best or even in the top 50 of must reads.
- Corvida
I think you're partially right, Vincent. I remember reading a comment from Chris Brogan that his posts that contained lists were always the most popular even if there were more valuable posts without lists. People like to make them and I guess like to read them even more. You go over to the IMDb discussion boards and it is ALL about making lists of favorite/best movies. They are quick to read and easy to decide whether you are on the same page as the author.
- Liz
Doesn't appeal to me. But if it was called "15 blogging about blogging blogs must reads" it would be OK
- Sarah Perez
Sarah, I think you should repost this list on your blog with "15 Blogs Sarah Perez Doesn't Care About" and see how that post does relative to other posts ;-)
- Robert Seidman
Agree with Louis. I do not find many of these valuable. I do like looking at Smashing magazine for the design eye candy. The rest of the list I could simply and do live without.
- Franklin Pettit
I wish there was a new tab in FriendFeed: "close friends." Instead, I'm opening a new FriendFeed account to see what life is like when you only have a few friends.
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I think you will get this. Ana hinted at "good friends" in one of her updates. And third party apps like FriendFeedMachine offer this today.
- Louis Gray
It'll absolutely come - we just have to be patient. They can only last so long on hot pockets, coffee, or whatever else they eat while they code...
- Ben Parr
let me save you the trouble, its kind of like being ignored half the time
- Chris Conway
Try ignoring this account for a week and just log onto the private one -- enjoy the peace. :)
- Robert Couture
Agree with Jeff... I'd like a tab with tech friends and non-tech friends, meat-space friends, work friends, amusing friends, etc. So I could have different "flavors" of FriendFeed depending on my mood.
- Lindsay
cool idea!
- Susan Beebe
I just signed in. What was amazing was there was someone following me before I even completed the process. I guess she must have added me off of my other email address. Weird.
- Robert Scoble
Could creating a room to put your 'real' friends be an option?
- Michael
I agree with Jeff. Moreover to be able to define groups/tabs like "close friends," "colleauges," etc., and give each group a priority in terms of displaying contents and have FF somehow displaying according to priority of those groups/tabs.
- Hayk
I'm using FriendFeed Filters: Friends & Groups (http://ffapps.com/filters/) exactly for the "close friends" purpose and it's all right. In my case, one wish saved :)
- Dani Radu
or nudge tweetdeck to support FF so you could group your collegues into a different stream!
- Nancy Babyak
from twhirl
I'd LOVE to be able to favorite FF users I read most so I could see their stuff at the top of my pile. :)
- Leslie Poston
I'd like "favorite users" in different tabs. And the different groups. Also like to have a clipboard tab, where "clipped" users/articles stay (and I can follow them) and are removed from the "friends" tab (temporarily).
- Mitchell Tsai
i also think that there is enough space for additional (custom) tabs here
- Dieter Schwarz
I would definitely like to see this feature added! I like Lindsay's suggestion to have several tabs with groups of friends.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I've been wanting friend groups for a while, just so I can filter things quicker.
- xero
Friendfeed should simply let you privately rate all relationships on a 1 to 10 scale. You could then filter FF by these numerical ratings. It would also be useful information for them to use when they come out with their "best of the day, week, month, etc." algorithm based on social metadata and personal relevancy.
- Thomas Hawk
do you find that your friends list on twitter is different from friendfeed? at least for me, friendfeed has some of my closer friends and/or people who's content I follow everyday, whereas twitter has just about anyone.
- Chris Salazar
If I tried that, I'd never see FriendFeed update as only two of my close friends use it and neither of them use it that much except to mainly comment.
- Akiva
I've been dreaming of the same thing. I don't want to get rid of the "friend of" concept all together; I find lots of good stuff that way. But there are times i wish i could switch over to a subset of people quickly. Maybe two new tabs? "just friends" and "close friends" ?
- Jeff (Team マクダジ )
It would be great if : 1 - one could limite the update to connected people (and not receiving updates of friend of a friend - eventhough this info could be accessible somewhere), or may be I missed something here, 2 - create lists of friends (like family, work, techy which would be displayed as tabs)
- Olivier
this sounds like a job for @directeur and noiseriver ;)
- Ruben Llibre
Think we need Super-Likeys too
- Charlie Anzman
there could be an acquaintances tab? no? I would follow more people if I could filter it a little more, regardless of the system applied. Sometimes I want to see what some folks are saying/doing and sometimes I want to get a little adventurous. While we are at it, for finding new people to follow you could have FOAFOAF... maybe not.
- Scott Lockhart
you could have just borrowed mine Robert!
- Morgan
ESME solves that problem
- Dennis Howlett
from twhirl
Friendfeed should pull a Twitter and aquire some of the better apps.
- Roberto Bonini
NO! I don't want FF pulling a Twitter. FF is fail whale free, let's keep it that way :)
- Jeff (Team マクダジ )
Agree I would follow more people with this tab but I try and keep to feeds that particularly interest me (ie photography-related in my case)
- Kol Tregaskes
from twhirl
I would like this as well. :) They can call it the BFF tab! :)
- Daynah
Hey Robert... how is Day 1 with your super secret new FF account? Like it? Learn anything you care to share with us? Thx!
- Susan Beebe
Susan: I am back to my real account. I like the noise. :-)
- Robert Scoble
It's a good idea... make it reputation based, or use some other criteria.
- Bill Sodeman
The friend / close friend dynamic is one that no social networking/media site I've seen has quite ever gotten exactly right. If anyone can do it, I would bet on FF !
- Eric Berlin
FriendFeed needs an additional tab (as does Twitter, Identi.ca, and others) allowing you to show posts from only "favorited" friends. I am currently doing this with RSS, but IMO that's a hack.
- Jesse Stay
Heh - just realized I was commenting the exact same thing you were saying in the post - need to read better. ;) Consider it a me too++
- Jesse Stay
I do not like the idea of "close friends" as defined by any application. A generic grouping mechanism is more helpful because you can create your "close friends" group, and you can create a "techies" group or whatever else you desire. I am actually surprised that FF does not have it already given that rooms have been around for a while.
- Rob Diana
@Robert, why does it not surprise me that you went back to your real account? Good to see that you are experimenting though.
- Rob Diana
I would rather have Close Friends that the current Subscriptions listing on the sidebar of my personal page
- Mark Dykeman
Robert: Wow, that was fast! I was wondering how long you'd stay away from the firehouse of cool noise! :-)
- Susan Beebe
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