We have received numerous reports of excessive FriendFeed posts showing up in Facebook this evening. While we are not 100% sure, it appears to be an issue on Facebook's end due to ignoring application settings. We have disabled all FriendFeed updates to Facebook until we are sure the problem is resolved.
See http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... for more information - it seems to also have impacted Twitter's Facebook app. Again, we are not sure if it is a problem on our end or not, but we are investigating now.
- Bret Taylor
No problem, if I knew it was on your end, I wouldn't have cared, but thanks for letting me know about the situation. I was confused because it happened right as I was trying out a new twitter game. This was compounded by the fact that the game has no controls for turning off public messages. I'll bet they plan to add them later, but right now they want everyone to hear about it. It’s a...
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- Michael Fidler
So, is it fixed?Every tweet, every everything is showing up as individual news feed posts for all my friends, this is too much and I'm likely to piss them all off. Options ... 1.Stop tweeting etc. 2.Ditch the FF Facebook application. Hmmm, it's a no brainer. Anyone got any updates on this?
- Michael M Bailey
"Today we are launching version 2 of the FriendFeed API for beta testing. We focused on making the API simpler to use, and we added number of compelling new features." Documentation: http://friendfeed.com/api...
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
nice, good to see OAuth support, this will enable a larger 3rd party ecosphere around FriendFeed, I hope
- Jeroen De Miranda
After going through the documentation and playing around with some feeds, I love the fact that you can now see the subscriber lists of people who have their feeds set to private as long as you are subscribed to them and authenticate (mimicking the main site functionality). One thing that's absent is a discussion of Direct Messages. Do they show up in feeds if you authenticate? How do we find just direct messages?
- Mark Trapp
Mark: direct messages are accessed using the feed ID "filter/direct". Read more about feed IDs at http://friendfeed.com/api.... Also direct messages appear in the "home" feed.
- Benjamin Golub
Benjamin: ahhh, I see it now. I missed it when skimming that list over. Thanks!
- Mark Trapp
Can you post the wget version of the command line?
- Gabe
Gabe: wget --user=bgolub --password=passwd --post-file=MyPhoto.jpg http://friendfeed-api.com/v2... should work. In theory. Edit: nope. I'm not sure it's possible to do with wget.
- Mark Trapp
Gabe: wget doesn't support multipart forms as a design decision. If you post a file, FriendFeed returns a 404, and if you post data, the query is too long for wget to handle.
- Mark Trapp
Woowoo, bgolub's password is “passwd” ;-)
- Amit Patel
Amit: I wonder how many people tested that :)
- Benjamin Golub
Thanks to bgolub posting his password, I now have all of FriendFeed's secret documents about notorious users, useless metrics, Justin Timberlake's promoting FF on Oprah's show, hiring Colbert as a spokesperson, Ev Williams being just a “distraction”. TechCrunch is going to love this! ;)
- Amit Patel
Yes big big thanks to the whole team for all their hard work!!
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
from iPhone
"It’s taking something everyone knows on the web (your email address) and making it immensely more valuable as a way to identify yourself and information about you. Exactly what kind of information? Here are some of the ideas from the WebFinger Google Code page: * public profile data * pointer to identity provider (e.g. OpenID server) * a public key * other services used by that email address (e.g. Flickr, Picasa, Smugmug, Twitter, Facebook, and usernames for each) * a URL to an avatar * profile data (nickname, full name, etc) * whether the email address is also a JID, or explicitly declare that it’s NOT an email, and ONLY a JID, or any combination to disambiguate all the addresses that look like something@somewhere.com * or even a public declaration that the email address doesn’t have public metadata, but has a pointer to an endpoint that, provided authentication, will tell you some protected metadata, depending on who you authenticate as."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
I don't want my contact information to be my identifier. I shouldn't have to give a website my email address, just like I shouldn't have to give a store my phone number.
- Daniel Sims
Daniel, I think it just takes the form of an email address, but does not in fact have to be one (or could be a "throw away" account).
- Paul Buchheit
It would be cool if we could get our act together (as an industry) and make this stuff happen. I'd also like to see ENUM deployed to the point that my phone number can be linked to my identity. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...)
- Joe Beda
This is a bad idea in so many ways I can't even begin to list them.
- April
If a site wants my email address, it's probably in order to spam me. It's usually a bad sign. If legit sites ask for my email more, it will make it harder to identify the spammers.
- Tim Tyler
Do gmail users seriously still have problems with spam? I don't.
- Robin Barooah
Personally this sounds great - as long as it really doesn't force you to use your actual gmail address.
- Robin Barooah
Does this mean I can have a .plan again?
- Benjamin Lee
Sounds like the .plan which is (again) accessed via an id in email format and returns different information/metadata about a person depending on who's accessing it. Email id is used to do a DNS lookup in order to discover URL for the XRD file (accessed with a HTTP GET) containing the metadata about the person being, er, WebFinger-ed.
- Nenad Nikolic
it is like user authenticating, having two three ids won't hurt ;) well i don't want to be identified, they are going same as gravatar
- testbeta
It's so curious to me that people have concerns that WebFinger would lead to more spam, and yet don't like the "format" of URLs for IDs. Personally, as far as OpenID is concerned, I don't care what the identifier looks like as long as people can remember it — typically email seems easier to recall than URLs (for most people in today's world).
- Chris Messina
Some users who have an email account with Google, myself included, have oodles of incoming mail both standard and secure so it fits the bill to increase security for both vendors and marketers.
- frank burns
I have no problem with the idea, but it seems to me that it won't help the current state of affairs much. The kind of information I'd be interested in sharing via Webfinger (my OpenID, a URL to a FOAF file, etc.) will have no better adoption, so the Webfinger configuration doesn't buy me much. I'll hold out hopes that after a couple tight integrations between Webfinger and OpenID providers (say if Google, Microsoft and/or Yahoo provided and consumed both) things will improve ... here's to hoping :(
- J. McConnell
Years ago I experimented with FOAF. I didn't fully understand nor appreciate what I was doing. To serve as a warning, if you take this example, ensure that it is blocked. #Example: I sent a file to Adobe which in turn, was sent to another email account I had at the time. I verified it's sender (ME) and sent it back in the direction of travel. A signed FOAF (API KEY) was then returned...
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- frank burns
He has hundreds of transformers toys (and some Lego toys hanging from the ceiling) surrounding him at every angle. This was part of our tour today of Industrial Light and Magic (the folks who made Star Wars, among many many other movies). When we walked in he quickly hid what was on the screen. Hmmm.
- Robert Scoble
ha...wow...i don't feel the need to clean my office anymore!
- Jim Gray
The computer and monitor need some work.
- Louis Gray
Louis: I was actually surprised by most of the monitors I saw at ILM. I have more glass on my desk. But most did have two monitors with a high-speed computer (and they had a kick ass data center for rendering everything). The models that we saw were unreal. I'll try to upload some of those next.
- Robert Scoble
Geez, I think he has them arranged by series as well.
- Rob H.
His shirt needs replaced, it looks like he got into a fight with a rainbow, and lost after he knocked out green.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Maybe he can only do the work he does thx to his office.
- Ton Zijp
Whoa! Hope his office won't face any EQ soon :)
- Nir Ben Yona
Wondering if he could find what he's looking for on the fly; probably could.
- Mark Evans
Jimminy: to be fair he didn't know he was going to be photographed today for hundreds of thousands of people to see.
- Robert Scoble
That's one my little brother will love. Great shot!
- Zu from AOD
Yeah, I remember similar pics (not of transformers) but of other film work in progress when I was a loyal sub'er to "Starlog" mag. Anyone ever take that here? http://www.starlog.com/
- Melanie Reed
This is such a cool photo Robert. Looks like one you'd see in Life magazine. What lens did you use?
- Mark Krynsky
I mostly only use one lens lately: my 17-40 F4.0 lens on a Canon 5D MK II. This was shot at 6400 ISO. Which is totally crazy. I remember when Kodak came out with 1000 ISO film that was only Black and White and had lots of grain.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble, yeah I understand him not being prepared, it's just a very striking shirt, definitely an attention grabber, though the environment pulls you away.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Melanie, I wasn't really describing plaid so much as the colors of it. ;)
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Jimminy, yeah, I know. I liked your description! Very apt! (for the record I dislike Madras Plaid. I had to wear it as part of a uniform for a job once...every day) ;)
- Melanie Reed
I just noticed he has 8-bit Mario Bros. magnets, that's freakin' awesome.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
My brothers who are both artists (animation and modeling) would love this room.
- Melanie Reed
On the wafer I'm holding (I got a tour of their fab this week where they make these silicon-based lights, which are really super-powerful LEDs) are hundreds of chips which are really little light bulbs.
- Robert Scoble
Advantages? They use very little power. They last a LOT longer than standard light bulbs. They are a LOT smaller. They generate a LOT less heat.
- Robert Scoble
And, eventually they will be cheaper (not now, because of the R&D needed to make these).
- Robert Scoble
But they already are cheaper to use. These will go first into street lamps. Cities will pay for these new lights in two years because of how much power they save (and they need to be replaced a LOT less often).
- Robert Scoble
It's nice to see a company building manufacturing capabilities in SF Bay Area, too. Why not in China? Because the technology is changing so quickly (and costs are coming down so quickly) that they need to be able to change the fabs very often. Not easy to do when your fab is thousands of miles away.
- Robert Scoble
I'll have a video that I did at Bridgelux up next week. Cool stuff.
- Robert Scoble
RAD: yeah, very bright desk lamp! What's neat is because they are small and flat that we'll see all sorts of new lighting designs. Imagine a strip that goes at the bottom of a monitor, for example, or a neat design embedded into a wall.
- Robert Scoble
Any idea how they rate on total environmental impact. It seems that sometimes the "cost" to deliver the end result is missed.
- Elwin Witzke
Elwin: much better. They use fewer nasty chems than old style lights. No lead or mercury, for instance, and they use a LOT less power and need to be replaced a LOT less often. They have an initial higher cost for now, but they expect that will change over next decade as every light switches over to LED style lights.
- Robert Scoble
Any idea on what the spectrum they emit is like? I'd be in the market for a replacement full-spectrum desklamp that uses less electricity.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Already we see new lamp designs coming from companies like Philips: http://www.ledino.philips.com/ , based on their own LEDs. The new generation of technology displayed here will give even better designs.
- Meryn Stol
In my case spending 99% of my time progamming and not having to worry about hardware anymore thanks to rackspace cloud.
- Ben Newton
wondering which job will be outsourced next..
- Paul E. Ester
wondering wich job will be insourced next :)
- PierG
Mobile development finally becoming mainstream, CSS3 finally being useful in a large number of browsers, and the launch of the Palm Pre and its use of CSS/HTML/JS to build mobile apps rather than java or objective C.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Seeing that Facebook Connect and Twitter can essentially replace OAuth.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Realizing that Google is trying to re-invent the whole web stack -- I expect to see HTML, CSS, Javascript, scripting, and compiled language alternatives in 2010-2011. And I'm all for it.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Thinking about bigtable database solutions for the highest scalability (and the tradeoffs that come along with the switch)
- Christopher Galtenberg
This year I became programmer to entrepreneur. Started two companies, one fell out, one remains.
- mytweetmark
too many, Google Vincent release with brand effects (yuch!), personalized search, real-time search in Google, Bing/Yahoo deal, site performance a ranking factor, should I go on?
- Arthur Coleman
Java 1.6 on Mac, finally. Node.js shows up and reinvents what it takes to write asynchronous server-side applications (though I haven't used it for anything real). Google Chrome upset the browser extension development paradigms (no longer require a deep understanding of the browsers). Google Web Toolkit improves their run-debug cycle and lets you develop on any browser on your machine (or in a virtual machine).
- Matt M (inactive)
John, congratulations! That's a very tough, but rewarding experience!
- Jesse Stay
Visual Studio 2010/ .net 4. Let you know when I think of more.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Balancing paying work and beginning my first 2 entrepreneur ventures with family. Not to mention the ever changing APIs of popular web services.
- Marc Betts
Squeezing into iPhones and watching Java raise the white flag.
- Michael Galpin
from iPhone
my L1-A visa to be able to work in the US ;) definitely the biggest 2009 change for me :D
- stephane
Geolocation becoming a real thing, the ability to make money from iphone style app stores, the continued buildout of cloud functionality, NoSQL mindshare exploding.
- Todd Hoff
Leaving Grazr, the company I co-founded to start something new. For programming, completely switching over to using Python for almost all of my web dev.
- mikepk
I can tell you my 2010 big change as well: no longer having to think about IE6 when developing for the web. That'll happen sometime late Q310, I'm sure.
- Matt M (inactive)
The cloud left 'cool' status and is on the radar of CTO's
- jeremyoday
Definately the Cloud. Windows Azure came of age this PDC too.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Roberto: have you shipped anything on Azure yet, though?
- Robert Scoble
The cloud was big for us in 2008... we made a big bet on AWS then and it's paid off dividends though 2009 as Amazon dropped its prices. It was marginally better than hosted servers in 2008 and it's now beating it hands-down. I suppose that's a change in 2009 as well.
- Matt M (inactive)
Not yet. I'm working on that. Doing my Honors year project on it. Will have somthing in a few months.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Matt: there are two types of programmers in the world: those who use Amazon and those who use Rackspace Cloud. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'd love to consider Rackspace, but it'll take a year without multiple major outages before it goes back into my evaluation pool. We get outages and machine failures on AWS, but they are a lot rarer and shorter in my experience. It might be that the reporting of outages could be biased against Rackspace, too, but without more data it's a big risk for me as a founder/CTO.
- Matt M (inactive)
Listen to Jesse. IRC and mailing lists.
- John
from Android
Having my employer fail completely and close the doors. Second time that has happened to me.
- DGentry
Matt: we've had, I believe, three major outages this year, very unacceptable. Two were power outages in our Dallas datacenter. The third was a configuration mistake made by a team at Rackspace as we started to move customers over to our datacenter in Chicago. Yes, because many big web sites like 37signals, Techcrunch, and Mashable are all on Rackspace our downtime gets noticed every single time.
- Robert Scoble
Seeing a 2010 free of major high-profile downtime would be enough to convince me that things are stable. Rackspace should put up numbers on their downtime vs. other providers, even if it's not entirely flattering, so we can see them in the open without the high-profile-site bias. Sorry to derail your 2009 thread here! :)
- Matt M (inactive)
2009, the year it became cool to be a geek :)
- Kashif Khan
Matt: the problem with numbers is it's hard to figure out. Even during our three big outages not all of our customers were involved (we have 50,000 servers and 10s of thousands of customers and are the world's largest hosting company).
- Robert Scoble
Have a few: 1) It's been far easier to make money using PHP than C#, 2) jobs on dice are increasingly becoming more javascript/ui focused, 3) starting to understand how to use twitter.
- David Nelson
You know moving all my servers over to Rackspace from Amazon was pretty significant too (and I'm saving a lot more money)
- Jesse Stay
Am I a fuddy duddy for not feeling like the cloud risk is worth the reward? I have a google-fast site with BBG, it's close to bare metal, it's cheap, we have support. I dunno. I'd make the same choice again.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Christopher: that's why we still provide traditional hosting too. Cloud is not for everything. That said, almost all of the new startups I've been interviewing lately have been on either Rackspace or Amazon. There are major cost advantages to cloud (especially for sites with spiky traffic) that more and more are going that way.
- Robert Scoble
I think cloud needs a disaster-free 2010. Then a lot more 'moderates' like myself will bring the big money over.
- Christopher Galtenberg
The cloud risk is worth it in our experience. We have a lot of servers on amazon doing crawling, indexing, API hosting, etc. You're a lot more nimble when it comes to swapping out machines. Our overall downtime on AWS is basically the same as when we had hosted servers. We also pay careful attention to what we shift to Amazon's CDN so our boxes are serving what they serve best. The only Amazon fuckup that affected us this year was losing an attached storage device that we didn't have backed up properly.
- Matt M (inactive)
Christopher: I've seen quite a few companies that self host have major problems. Twitter is a good example. Self hosting is not disaster free either. Cloud is actually more reliable in many ways than self hosting is, especially if you do self hosting wrong.
- Robert Scoble
+1 to what Robert said. In 2008, when you balanced out the cloud cost + the time spent managing servers you'd end up very close. Prices have dropped by nearly 50% since then. Major disasters are way more expensive while self-hosting, but you don't see that many of them unless you've got a fleet of a few dozen machines running 24/7. Every company's evaluation of risk/reward is different though - ours tipped over to the cloud though and we're definitely using it as well as we can.
- Matt M (inactive)
I became a lover of cloud apps after working on the infrastructure team for a recently famous startup. Not fun to say the least. I don't like babysitting Nagios and fearing database disks failing, 3 year old multi-threaded code you didn't write deadlocking, etc. :-1
- David Nelson
cloud and morphing from ASP.NET to WordPress(PHP/CSS)
- Melanie Reed
I don't know all the niceties that Rackspace offers (Robert could chime in here), but AWS also gives you easy and fast access to S3 and cloudfront for content serving, SQS for job queues and various load balancing features. Having access to some of those little features really does take a load off your mind. I keep hoping that Amazon will start offering giant, hosted memcache instances. That's one thing I love about the cloud: hosted extra features.
- Matt M (inactive)
starting to develop for Android, feels like a warm bath after a year of Objective-c for iPhone. Yes the iPhone is hot and sexy, but developing for Android is much easier. Ow, and looking forward to deploying on Amazon's AWS, almost can't remember thoughts of buying hardware myself :)
- Dirk
Dirk: 2010 is going to be a big year for Android. It isn't lost on me that Google is starting out the new year with a big Android announcement (I'll be there).
- Robert Scoble
the one thing Android needs now is an excellent user interface, hopefully close to the iPhone's. User experience is the one thing the iPhone is light years ahead in
- Dirk
Matt: we're working on many of those things and more for Rackspace Cloud too. We have some of the world's experts on database technology (one of the guys who worked on Cassandra, which is Facebook's system, works for us, for instance) and you'll see a lot more from us, as to specifics there are other better places to compare us to Amazon, would love to help anyone figure out the differences, though, if it's not self evident.
- Robert Scoble
Robert I agree with you about 2010 being the year of Android . Also developing for it is awesome . Do you think it will also be the year for T-Mobile ?
- Kashif Khan
Dirk: agreed. Android is getting bettter though and we'll see next week just how much more they have to go. Kashif: I really doubt it, but you never know. Most of the geeks in Silly Valley want Verizon.
- Robert Scoble
The economy of 2009 made business take the cloud way more serious.
- Eric
Dropbox changed my world this year. All of a sudden users can painlessly get large numbers of files from their desktop or iphone to my site. All the previous options are comparatively awkward: web forms, email, Picasa client, XP wizard. It also upped demand considerably and forced me to turn to cloud storage for help.
- Bruce Lewis
Robert: cool, re: extra features. I'll keep an eye out this year for new Rackspace features.
- Matt M (inactive)
GWT for showing how webapps can be written, Adobe Air for showing how they can be deployed, webkit/chrome for raising the bar really high, cloud services that are almost good enough to host a real business and up and coming DBs like Casandra for saving us from RDBs
- john schneider
from iPhone
2010 will not only be the year of the Android, but also mobile in general (and I'm including 7 inch tablets in that statement).
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
GWT was/is _huge_ but wasn't that 2008? It's really matured in 2009 for sure. Love the new features like code splitting.
- David Nelson
Oh ya, the google plugin for eclipse! Love it!!!
- David Nelson
GWT made huge leaps in 2009. The development experience of 2008 was hosted mode (meaning IE in windows). The GWT 2.0 experience is plugin-based, slicker and much faster. The new plugins also let us debug our GWT-based firefox extension in Eclipse which was impossible before. I just released some of that code as an open-source project (gwt-firefox-extension) </shamelessplug>
- Matt M (inactive)
My developer friends ripped me a new hole for suggesting that GWT was good. And I actually tried it - and it was good. They were just being arrogant ignorant jquery assholes.
- Terris of California
Matt - totally agree about GWT making huge leaps in 2009. You think it was because google started using it on more high profile projects like wave and adwords? Perhaps they ramped up development of it?
- David Nelson
It may seem small but my biggest change was my coding font. I went from Monaco to Consolas.
- Andrew Smith
Consolas is a good one. Anonymous Pro is also good.
- DGentry
David, I think a lot of the features that appeared in GWT 2.0 were driven by internal customers (code splitting and the new UI binder for sure). The GWT team is incredibly smart and they were building a lot of the new infrastructure on top of the solid and mature GWT 1.x series. This year was all about solving some of the real-world issues that came up when GWT-based projects started to mature as well as figuring out how to cut out much of the boilerplate.
- Matt M (inactive)
For me it was Hadoop, Lucene/Solr, AWS, RDF, re-learning Ruby, Scala, dynamic Virtual Resource allocation/de-allocation, real-time data mapping. Nice to finally get back to doing meaningful work for a change ;)
- Altan Khendup
And yes, moving our org to support mobile technology further. Tablets and encouragement of Android use
- Melanie Reed
Right. GWT team - talk about talented engineers! :-) They do amazing work.
- David Nelson
WPF & Silverlight has been huge for me in 2009. Seems like all the projects I worked on where based on them. Overall though cloud services have changed everything.
- Ryan Lane
To be honest... the Thesis framework for Wordpress and Wordpress MU
- Seth Goldstein
The biggest thing was Solr; it revolutionized how we present data to our clients. Second biggest thing was finding out how flawed Rackspace currently is: Rackspace pre-2009 was much different than it is now. Here's to hoping 2010 is much better.
- Mark Trapp
Growth of Joomla and Drupal,and the ecosystem to support them. 2010: Microsoft, Google and IBM's responses will add to the mix.
- Brian Benz
Also, the announcement Office 2010 and Sharepoint 2010. The changes have not been noticed widely - yet, but they will be....
- Brian Benz
Server side JavaScript really picking up steam. JSGI, CommonJS, Web Sockets, Narwhal, Jack, NodeJS, Persevere, Etherpad.
- Vezquex
Realizing the potential in asynchronous, long-running processes and how they could be utilized in different kind of products. Also, everything dev-related announced/published by Microsoft.
- Jemm
A few things: The economy, revisiting my commercial app development roots, my first two iPhone apps (ultimately a joy to develop), my first Android app (frustrating so far, but that's OK - I'm cheering Google on), a hard lesson after getting burned by an enterprise client prospect, my LLC's group health plan cost spiral, getting some mega-zen with Objective-C vs. Java, the cloud, IE6 begone ... and Thesis. :)
- Joe D'Andrea
One of the criteria for entry is that it is available for sale prior to the end of 2009, so they must be very optimistic this will happen. Less than 3 months in 2009. Get your credit cards ready?
- Louis Gray
I thought there was a snag in the hardware and it got postponed a few months.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
A lot of devices are coming out this year. With this, we don't even know the cost, battery life, or what CPU it ends up with.
- Rodfather
Rod, I was not there when the editorial board met on their selection. But I believe they may have some information that we do not, and if they do not, they have good reason for their choice.
- Louis Gray
I bet it will be US only to start with though.
- travispuk
Or perhaps just looking for something that was rogue, since it was started from scratch like a kid in a garage.
- Rodfather
I'll grab one anyway. I love mobile tech.
- Rodfather
That is a very neat app. It will be useful in places you do not know, but also, as it pushes updates, in places you do know as well. Definitely a must-have app for Android!
- Steve Farnworth
Seems like a bit of work to set all the channels, the settings for each friend, etc. - is there an app that would know all your preferences and apply them for you? Or is that one's wife?
- tom matrullo
It comes with a few default ones, but you need to get your own feeds based on your preferences. Did you watch the video?
- Robert Scoble
Tom: it's not much work. Did you watch the video?
- Robert Scoble
It all looks very intuitive. Tell you what, it would be killer on something like a hotel kiosk for users without smartphones.
- Steve Farnworth
Robert - I was thinking of you and 400 friends - each one requiring a specific setting. I'm nearly through the vid - it''s very rich - love the idea of having job info from CL coming in. Also, fantastic for GPS, no?
- tom matrullo
Desideratum: an app that would say "here there are no Starbuckses"
- tom matrullo
just watched the video at the gym. I wonder why he said he wasn't allowed to say that he was working on the iphone version? Then he said it was obvsiouly coming to iphone but he couldn't officially say it was. That was a bit odd.
- Mark
Mark: yeah that was a PR plan being exposed. Companies want to be able to give TechCrunch exclusives.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Very smart idea and nice interview! Shall be interesting to see if it picks up. Might be too much for the average app user addicted to his 101 latest app games?
- Antonella Stellacci
Can we have support for linebreaks in comments, please? It'd make it so much easier to read and compose long comments, or ones where "special" formatting would be helpful... Thanks.
I'm not sure I need line breaks (as I use separate comments to achieve this) but some very basic HTML support in the first comment would be most welcome. This would aid us in using FF as a basic blog platform.
- Kol Tregaskes
It might also help with times when BackType stuff gets imported, and the result is so long that nobody in the right mind could scan through it quickly.
- Tyson Key
True. It certainly would be beneficial for imported comments, say from an custom RSS feed. I'd like to see the paragraphs broken up instead of being one long sentence. Good point, Tyson. :-) I still wouldn't like it as native support. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Now that I think about it, it could work as one comment-per-paragraph, but it'd just create confusion if people decide to start injecting other comments in-between each paragraph, as they're imported, or if we ever got the much-requested threaded/nested comments support.
- Tyson Key
Yep, there would be no problem if the import was quick though, so it still might work like that.
- Kol Tregaskes
Still, I get the feeling that it was intended initially for relatively short "local" comments like "Oh! That LOLCat is so cute! I wish I could hug it", rather than for importing long blog comments quoting parts of "War and Peace" or proposals against porting Dalvik to Windows CE-powered toasters. ;)
- Tyson Key
Thanks for the feedback, Tyson. I've added it to our suggestions list.
- Ross Miller
Just fell for this again - pasting in stuff with linebreaks looks like it's going to work, then does this - http://ff.im/5SqhB
- immaterial
Yeah, that's the biggest problem this issue causes: having to painstakingly edit and split across multiple comments something you should just be able to cut and paste.
- Mark
You have to remember, however, that it *is* convenient now that I can type *and* post without lifting my hands from the keyboard. Just typetypetypetype and press Enter. OTOH, linebreaks *do* make comments easier to read. YOTOH, someone can mis-use linebreaks to type in a comment with, let's say, 100 linebreaks or so... a linebreak vandalism... and that will surely annoy the hell of everybody.
- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
Line breaks wouldn't require you to take your hands off the keyboard. They'd just have to make Shift+Enter insert a line break and Enter to post. As for vandalism, a) it's unlikely, and b) it's trivial to code in protection against that sort of thing.
- Mark
@Mark: Ah, you do have a point there. If all nitpicky stuff like that gets properly handled, then I'm all for line breaks. Yessir :-)
- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
would love to see line breaks, too...there are codes to check for abusive line breaks (i.e. huge blank spaces in between paragraphs...though it may increase server load a bit)...maybe even RichText or Emoticons?
- brainno722 (Peter)
from NoiseRiver
RichText I don't really like. BBCode-style formatting for [b]bold[/b], [i]italics[/i], and [color=black]color[/color] would be welcome, though.
- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
In a way, BBCode is similar to RichText...it would be nice to have bullets (order/unordered), bold, italics, underline, etc...of course, none of these are required, just make writing/reading/organizing easier
- brainno722 (Peter)
from NoiseRiver
Y'all don't need shift-enter to post; you can just use the tab key to switch focus from the text box to the Post button.
- Andrew C (✓)
Agree, brainno/Peter. What I was trying to post was, I don't want RichText controls (like those in Gmail) trying to give a WYSIWYG feel to posting comments. Just BBCode support will be enough to make my day. And Andrew... I blush with embarrasment on realizing that >.<
- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
I disagree on displaying emoticon graphics by default. Sometimes, overzealous implementations interpret character combinations as emoticons, when they're unwanted (e.g. when pasting the output of a CLI application in a comment, or anything containing ":P" without being padded by a space).
- Tyson Key
Line breaks, some HTML, etc. (but no emoticons) should be allowed on the first comment, i.e. like a blog post.
- Kol Tregaskes
If a reason against line breaks is that it might be harder to distinguish comment boundaries, using alternating color blocks could address that.
- Andrew C (✓)
from Android
I think linebreaks would take something away from FriendFeed. Linebreaks in comments enforce conciseness and "scannability". Like Twitter's 140 chars, but better, because you still can make a coherent argument. I don't have any trouble with this kind of intermediate form between microblogging (twitter) and normal blogging. What we really need is a blogging platform as fast as FriendFeed. :)
- Meryn Stol
There are four parts to this video. One of the most interesting developers and ideas for the RealTimeWeb that I've heard yet. I wish FriendFeed has this search engine's capabilities.
- Robert Scoble
Okay, you've got me hooked, RS. Gimme more, please, Sir!
- James D Kirk
fascinating concept "Fluid Info": "database with a heart of a wiki" ... love his accent! Interesting to give user so much control w/o schemas, permissions, etc. Removes all the structure, limitations....wow
- Susan Beebe
Sorry - wrong comment... I mean, commented to wrong person...
- David Feng
from IM
Gotcha! Time for some coffee although that hot chocolate does sound better :)
- Susan Beebe
David: I think uploads in China were faster. But I think the hotel wifi sucks. Can't blame that on an entire country. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Robert! And thanks for watching.... I'm a bit of a gasbag.
- Terry Jones
Terry your ideas are amazing... ripping away the layers of db constraints to open up an evolutionary platform for information mining / sharing is simply AWESOME! My db structured brain is having a tough time computing the lack of structures, but my intuition tells me this is right for the future....neat data model design concept for sure!
- Susan Beebe
Hi Susan. Thanks :-) BTW, there are permissions. You can have, e.g., a susan/rating attribute that you're putting onto things, and it's yours - no one else can detect/read/write/delete it unless you let them. OTOH, the underlying database objects have no owner. There are no permissions at that level. So you can put a rating (or anything else) onto any object (that you can find). No-one can stop you. So we're fully writable like a wiki, but with a permissions structure within the object (unlike a wiki).
- Terry Jones
Ooooh got it!!! Ok so you're building a core data model (protected) with objects everywhere (open design) which are available to users who are presented with a highly customizable user profile (detect/read/write/delete ) that can call / manipulate said objects to create the user's *own* data set (which has multiple layers of permissions / attributes / tags? to control sharing, reporting and distribution of data) = fabulous! when can I have it? :)
- Susan Beebe
Terry - is this something like entity/attribute/value? I did something like that a few years ago... but found it hard to do searching - equality in my thing was fine, but greater than, less than etc (ie: with a date range) were a bit harder. How have you overcome this?
- Brad
@Susan. Yes, that sounds more or less right. Yes, your own data is on the objects, as it that of anyone else who wants to put something there. it's all combinable, searchable as you like. Plus you can organize multiply, simultaneously, and arbitrarily (simply by adding more tags to objs & searching). We'll do an alpha release in early 2009.
- Terry Jones
@Brad. Dates are stored both numerically and textually. What gets searched on depends on the query. terry/seen > "Jan 22, 2007" is numeric, terry/seen ~ "Monday" is textual, etc. The query language is dead simple. It took me a lot of thinking to reduce everything to very very simple primitive operations and an easily parallelizable query language.
- Terry Jones
BTW, there are 3 more parts to the video coming up... :-)
- Terry Jones
Impressive demo and ideas. I was thinking about similar lines last week using CouchDB (a schemaless document database by Damian Katz). Also the views in FluidDB sound like views in CouchDB. I very much like the idea of sharing data and being able to annotate or enhance the original(!) data. This is Open Data on steroids.
- Berry Groenendijk
@Berry Hi. I'm reasonably familiar with CouchDB. It's a very different animal. CouchDB is very focused on documents, and lays out complete documents (serialized JSON strings actually, plus BLOBs) efficiently on disk. FluidDB is not focused on anything :-) And its storage is not done by object, but is instead by attribute (or tag if you like). CouchDB used to not have permissions, but I think that's changing/ed. About views yes, agreed. I hope that makes it clearer. It takes a while to get.
- Terry Jones
Terry I think I am slowly getting my head around FluidDB. There is still one big problem. The way people tag things. Some people tag things with a x,y coordinates, others with a longitude and latitude, etc. You need consistent tag names (or metadata field names or whatever) to be able to effectively search data. Does FluidDB help you with this in any way?
- Berry Groenendijk
Hi Berry. No, there's no help, and nor do I think there should be. Conventions evolve. They become consistent to the degree that it's important they are consistent. If it doesn't matter that you write color and I write colour, then it's no big deal. But if I write S.O.S. and you write S.O.B., it could be very important!
- Terry Jones
There's a lot of evolutionary biology thinking behind FluidDB. Attributes will (implicitly) have fitness. Things that are useful will flourish, become trusted, be heavily used, and their owners will similarly gain. Other stuff will not. This gets at the question of spam too. What's spam? But that's another subject - also very important if you're going to build an information architecture that can survive its own success.
- Terry Jones
Terry I like the way you think about these things. Just viewed part #4 of the interview. I am looking forward to the alpha release.
- Berry Groenendijk
Eager to see Alpha product too! send me invite susan.beebe {at} gmail dot com - thanks! This is really inspiring / disruptive technology!! love it! makes my brain hurt in a GOOD way (i.e. un-doing all the overly burdensome architecture that was imprisoning my data!) :-) Terry is one smart cookie!!
- Susan Beebe
How will you expire certain attributes? Similar to domain name management today, will you have leases on groups (or specific) attributes? This seems to be the way that you're going with the revenue model, and would certainly make sense after you've reached enough critical mass. When will you start allowing people to start reserving namespaces/attributes?
- Davison
@Terry - thanks. I built my thing on a standard relational db - Firebird, but everything was stored as text, so it was a bit difficult... :) So... how do you go about implementing "relationships"? ie: I have a video store, with all these videos, and this person rents these vids, so I'd like to send them an email when there's a new release in the genre that they've hired previously? Would love to talk to you more about this. Thanks!
- Brad
@SusanBeebe - you know, that's exactly right! undoing the architecture! yes, sort of kinda..... :) and freeing one'self from the confines of relational theory... but see me other comment to Terry re relationships. Happy Days! :)
- Brad
@Terry - sorry I can't stop thinking about this. In my thing, I maintained another table that aggregated all the various uses of a "thing". So at a glance, I could tell what the most used credit card was for purchases.... which state had the most sales etc.... this was a way to help the business owner make sense of all the data, and plan for the future. ie: Diners Club had like 2% of sales, yet attracted the highest fees - so that tells me get rid of Diners Club as a payment method? That sort of thing.....
- Brad
@Terry - and all - I had better stop here - I could keep typing all night about this, and then miss the new year! :) So happy new year to everyone. And special thanks to Robert for bringing you to our attention.
- Brad
Hi @Brad. Sorry for my slow replies - I don't get any notification of new comments here. I don't really use friendfeed (yet). I'm not sure exactly what @Susan had in mind with her "undoing the arch" comment, but that certainly captures the flavor. Re relationships, there is NO support for them. It's not a relational model. There's just a (conceptually) very simple architecture and laughably simple query language. You get to do analysis on your own CPU :-) Lots of tradeoffs there, of course.
- Terry Jones
I was thinking the same thing. Count how many times you said "Cool" Robert ;)
- Andru Edwards
This acquisition is most likely going to suck for users, but congrats to the FF team. Once Google announced Wave, selling to Facebook was probably the only remaining exit strategy worth the money.
- Chip Ramsey
I don't know if i'm excited by the possiblities of this move, or frightened by what this could mean.
- John Czwartacki
I hope they don't spoil it for us. I just want to keep coming to Friendfeed.com
- Mark
If they had no plans of shutting down FriendFeed and rolling features into Facebook they would have said so right away to avoid speculation and to reassure FF users. I am trying not to be suspicious, but I am.
- Inside Alaska
Andru: it was about 100 degrees outside where I was doing the interview. I was trying to think cool and keep my cool. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe now we'll be able to integrate Facebook feed with FF & twitter
- Justin Long
Faceborg...Googlebook...time to move back to StumbleUpon? Guess we should have seen this coming when FriendFeed got integrated into FeedBurner.
- Internet Strategist
This interview is pretty funny... the person interviewing sounds like he just wants to ask questions for the sake of asking questions...;-) ... thanks for the insightful interview but..
- Sherif Mansour
In the interview, it was said that FriendFeed was not in immediate danger and could have continued for a number of years on their own. I'm not quite sure if that is true, because FriendFeed didn't develop their own business model.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
About integrating the social graphs, my social networks on FF and FB had different purposes. I don't have any friends on FB whom I haven't personally met, whereas I subscribe to some people I don't know on FF just because their feeds are interesting. On a related note, the FB graph is undirected and the FF graph is directed.
- Ruchira S. Datta
@Scobleizer interviews Paul Buchheit, cofounder of FriendFeed RE acquisition by Facebook.
- Deano @ Byron New Media
"tremendous opportunity" is so vague. Opportunity for who? What opportunity exactly? Or is it just the opportunity to allow the friendfeed employees who weren't already rich to get rich?
- Laura Norvig
Laura: it's every engineer's dream to change the world of 300 million people instead of a few hundred thousand people. That's why this is a tremendous opportunity.
- Robert Scoble
Sigh. I guess. It's just very hard to think of Facebook as a life-changing venue.
- Laura Norvig
Robert: Thanks for this - some information at last!
- Jim Connolly
I love that Bret, Paul, and Kevin checked in. They probably are looking at their screens and asking "what do we do now?" how about ship some new features before Facebook overlords take you off to do bigger things?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I feel sorry for all you addicts. My use of it is purely social.
- Bruce Lewis
I do like FF and use it almost every day. Wouldn't it be great if FB either left it alone so we can continue to use it as "professionals," or somehow incorporate it into a more "mature" version of FB that didn't have all the annoying, time-wasting apps, games, etc. I'd much prefer a totally customizable FF "wall."
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I think FFundercats HO!!!!! would have worked but I'm here anyways.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Actively fighting addiction to anything on a daily basis, but I'm still a FriendFeed fan! (I'd have been here sooner but I've been staring at Phoebe Cates pics for longer than I realized.)
- Mark J
here. anecdote: a friend of mine just signed up for FF this evening. apparently the FriendFeed hype of the last 24 hours pushed him over the top. leaves me wondering whether FF has actually gained users today?it would be a crafty way of marketing the service. I'll wake up tomorrow to discover that there was a problem with the paperwork and the FriendFeed team have had a change of heart.
- JSLeFanu
from BuddyFeed
Count me in even though I was just starting to get hooked. I guess it's time to find a rehab and get all sobered up until the next relapse with some other new addiction. Isn't life grand?
- Usman Bashir
oh hey, look, the added an "add comment" link to the end of the comment list. Huzzah!
- Brett Kelly
from iPhone
++Jay. I was going to do the same thing yesterday but I didn't want to pay the money.
- David Cook
David -- this was a $9.95 session but you can get them for $7.95 and there are also 25% off coupons if you do online check-in prior to your Delta flight. That's an incentive for folks to use that service and offload kiosk use at the terminals. Very savvy marketing by the folks at GoGo and Delta combined.
- Jay Cuthrell
Yo Scobey! I like Dave Winer's thoughts on user owned tech companies ... been thinking similar things.
- Jason Cronkhite
well, it's 12:12 a.m. and I'm perusing FF from my iPhone via BuddyFeed before turning in. so yeah, I guess I count. "Here!" (raises hand)
- Don Faulkner
from BuddyFeed
I recommend FF to some of my clients, and there are some companies and nonprofits with presences here—not like Twitter, but I'll be curious how that will be affected when FB takes over more. Most have FB fan pages, groups and/or causes, too.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
И так чятег, пока Скобл не поговорит с нами представителями СовиетФрендфидика, все мои записи теперь можно читать в этом тредике. Пользуясь случае передаю Парню Бухайту и его команде большой привет, в связи с тем что [He can has sleep naw].
- ideali
я вчера был в издательстве, с меня сведения об авторе просят. давайте, говорят, напишем, где учился, что генеральный директор. и что известный блоггер.
- Он будет добрый, ласковый
а можно получить профессию известного блоггера? какие экзамены сдавать надо? какую специализацию лучше выбрать - микроблоггинг или аудиоподкастинг?
- Он будет добрый, ласковый
Один чувак пришол в чятег и говорит я известный блоггер кто тут тру на первый второй рассчитайсь. А ему говорят чувак у тебя сертификат есть что ты известный блоггер? Вот иди Зайке экзамен сдай потом приходи. А Зайка стоит такой с топором и улыбается. Щас думает счастливым его сделаю.
- Он будет добрый, ласковый
Я потерял интерес в данный момент. Я буду скрывать, как и любой другой. Это хромой, что вы захватили этот. Пивные правила. Спокойной ночи. :-)
- Matthew Horton
Hi, I'm Bette... I don't know if I'm an addict, but I can't stay away... I keep checking, just to see if something's new... and I cry if I get no responses to a post. Is that addictive behavior? :D
- Bette Cooper
Yup, I have blocked all the impersonators now. You will still see them, but I don't see them and they no longer can comment on any of my items.
- Robert Scoble
@scobleizer As far as I can see you have blocked not only the impersonators (who renamed themselves back the moment they found out you have a problem with this) but most of the folks who chatted there.
- Он будет добрый, ласковый
@meatreach yes, see next thread. Scobble becomes anti-Russian.
- Never Impersonate You
Maxatma: well, that's just too bad. I speak English. Sorry. People who don't speak English really don't have any business commenting on one of my items, except in rare cases.
- Robert Scoble
Why you, Robert Scoble, don't block users from Spain or Italy? China or arabic countries? Those users that comments on non-English languages?
- Never Impersonate You
@Robert, in fact they do speak English. But they also do make fun of Friendfeed and everything that's going on there. You can block them or take part in this fun. ;)
- Он будет добрый, ласковый
I prefer FF over twitter and facebook, but all my friends are on twitter and/or facebook. Maybe facebook will get it right this time now that it has acquired FF. If they simplify it a bit more without removing functionality. Then I would spend a bit more time on FB. Lets hope all goes well with the merger. If not I'm jumping ship and going over to Google Wave. oh wait, I'm going to go with Google Wave regardless! ;-)
- Captain Jack
Bu arada Russian friends Turkiye'ye selamlar gonderiyor.
- ideali
@scobleizer i can speak english and i beg you to remove bann from all russian friendfeeders, because we are all from it-community, working in internet companies and we came with peace, you asked for feedback from friendfeed addicts — we show you how really it is being frf addicts, we change names, we chat, we making things that are not serious. Why so serious? Unlock people, they are not bots, they just playing the game of real addicts and have fun. Common.
- ideali
shaun: I started this post to demonstrate that a lot of us are still here and aren't likely to leave. At least not quickly. So, life goes on after FriendFeed gets acquired by Facebook. Point proved.
- Robert Scoble
Beyler, bana bir sey anlatin, bu kadar ciddi olmaya ne gerek var? Translation: Guys, why so serious?
- ideali
ideali: have them send email to scobleizer@gmail.com and I'll unblock anyone who says they weren't impersonating me.
- Robert Scoble
Hector: good morning! I need coffee.
- Robert Scoble
@robert yes they (we will) stay here, I think tat the migration process will take time and after reading @Paul Bucheit, I think that what we all are trying to get even if we don't say it explicitly is to preserve a kind of intimacy (beeing a part of the Huge faceBook community) don't mean that FF community will preserve their intimacy, why should a community be a plan one, (let imagine a community as a set of sub-community) that all.
- abdellah
Wow!! So many likes and comments; is it a record Rob?
- Erfun
@scobleizer thank you, for understanding. be cool, guys we just want have fun here a little. Take care.
- ideali
@Robert RE "I have enough noise in my life. I don't need to have more" - isn't it a lot of noise having 26K subscriptions and 46K subscribers on your frf account? I'm kind of surprised - you create a community that large around yourself, yet when you see a new and unusual activity you just block it right away.
- Он будет добрый, ласковый
@Robert, patience? Who's talking about patience? It's about curiosity, not patience. When something strange and unusual happens around you, you can either try to stop it or try to see what it can develop into. You choose to stop - and it stopped. Well, not stopped - just moved to some other place. And do you really know what it was and what it was about to bring you?
- Он будет добрый, ласковый
I'm here all the way from South Africa! I dig this service and I'm not quite ready to give it up. Regardless of the news about the acquisition, this remains an awesome service.
- Paul Jacobson
I'm new to ff but find more valuable information here than anywhere else!
- Janet Crance
I'm sure this is part of Scoble's plot to poll all the people who really read his posts, and unfollow the rest. So I raise my hand.
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Just a wannabe. Not an addict (yet).
- Carole Hicks
It might also be a way for me to filter down my "following" count (diff (my followers, scoble)) are the only people I really need to follow. Those that scoble follows, I can safely unfollow and use Scoble as my social media filter :)
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Loading this thread on the iPhone uses 1% battery life lol
- Mark
from iPhone
pardon the arrogance but it really sucks this great forum of sharing will turn into a myspace humdrum. Now I have to find another SM where first adopters and well informed techies won't haft to compete with general "noise"
- earl wallace
I just mention the 1500 mark since it was such an iconic query to see... that and the 500 Likes club of FF posts. It's pretty exclusive stuff... but it's also sobering to note that the subject matter required to get to these levels isn't always a uniform mix of cares/concerns.
- Jay Cuthrell
When I heard the FaceBook news, I tried to quit FriendFeed and I couldn't... I'M HOOKED
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
i clicked the "1488 more comments" and my computer nearly exploded. and yes, i am using an amiga 500.
- jack
Now that I have instructions (thanks LouisGray) and figured out my Bookmarklet! I am LOVING the ease of use! addict - not quite...
- Robyn Hawk
Actually, I lied. I am not a die-hard friendfeed fan. I desperately want to be but have just not been able to get into a good "feeding" rhythm. Maybe I need to add some more friends
- Anant Gairola
I don't need to be addict. I'm just here, everyday, absorbing so many geeky info :D There's no place like FF
- Lysender
I'm still with ya, Robert. Whatever FB paid for FF, it wasn't enough!
- Donald C. Lindsay
New here, but learning. Tips for best use?
- Barbara Langham
@bdlangam From my perspective the #1 tip in this category is: Explore and define "best use" for yourself. Despite potential "finishing" impression of some productive consolidations in this collective-collaborative cognition space, the emergent #cognosphere is still WAY too nascent to assert anything other than initial impressions. March to the beat of your own drum; build your own...
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- michael silverton
yeah sorry, late. was at Shambhala Music Festival, I know tardy, sorry...
- The Real sofarsoShawn
I'm getting hooked, still figuring it all out
- Michele McGraw
I think I do. Not enough contacts to make a impression.
- Michael Schlag
One good thing already about the sale of FriendFeed to Facebook: fewer lame memes and less Alex Scoble. Hey, if everyone leaves I'll have this place to myself! Party time, tequila shots for everyone! :-)
Mathew: I'm sure I'll miss the stupid memes someday. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Pfft! Obviously Robert is following all the unfun people: my feed is being filled with #badjokememe this morning and it's absolutely awesome =)
- FFing Enigma
Tina: I follow them too. I'm just having some fun with those of you in the Alex camp.
- Robert Scoble
LOL! As an aside, 'Alex Camp' would be a great name for a conference. Or you two could co-host and make it Scoble-Palooza. Tech in the mornings, home entertainment in the afternoons, and evenings of social media.
- FFing Enigma
And @ZuDfunck: it's social media. It is by definition a circle jerk.
- FFing Enigma
Hey, now, if anyone's in anyone's camp, Alex is in MY camp.
- Akiva
oh, maybe not bacon Robert, but you'll be getting plenty of facebook spam from now on!
- Vicarbott
Jim: I don't get Facebook spam and I have 5,000 friends. I get a lot of useless crap that I just ignore. No biggie.
- Robert Scoble
:-P (well, I prefer bacon over useless crap)
- Vicarbott
ZuDfunck, Twitter and I have a long standing hate-hate relationship. I've had an account there for a while and have never once actually found the service usable or useful. I find the noise there intolerable because I have no means of actually dealing with it. That's why I enjoy FF so much, there are plenty of tools for me to craft the service to be what I want it to be.
- FFing Enigma
Holden, although I understand your spirit there... how does the extra $100 change your life? In my opinion, $200 is the same as $400 in the same way that $1700 is the same as $2100. Do you work five more hours at your job or 10 more? It's non-consequential. What makes the difference is does this become something you need, and will you pay for it?
- Louis Gray
Goes from a no-brainer at $200 to a "ehh... do I REALLY need it?" at $400.
- ronin
I like it--moving us closer to the world where paper is quaint, antique, a hobby. The problem with the price moving ever higher seems to be that it starts to enter the realm where one could just buy a little laptop. Why this and not that?
- Kathy Fitch
I agree with both points. $200 is the sweet spot although they'd probably hemorrhage losses for a while. But $400 isn't a terribly large chunk of change when it comes down to it. Think of the Kindle. That only does print material (and a small selection at that) primarily. This does web only. The web opens a lot more opportunities than a book reader.
- Zach Flauaus
$400 means it's competing with netbooks and low-cost notebooks - a crowded market if ever there was one.
- invariant
the price doubling is quite a variation. :P
- Joe The Sausage
as previous post on this item "if i can casually throw this in a backpack WITHOUT the screen getting F.U.B.A.R., then me wants one very much! - You (edit | delete)....price not a factor if that is solved.
- shayne catrett
msi already has a tablet out in akihabara japan, i looked at it today it is slightly smaller, but has a keyboard. same price
- Robert Higgins
Looks nice, but I *knew* they were never going to hit their price points. Although I guess it's good to set really hard goals.
- mikepk
I love the "the rumored apple tablet will kill it" stuff. Does anyone remember how long Apple's been rumored to be about to release a slate/tablet/umpc/netbook/tablet PC?
- Joel Bennett
I would like one, but US$400 is NZ$700, so if Apple tablet comes in at rumoured US$800, then NZ$1400 is way out of most peoples league - hate it.
- Geer
I'm a bit surprised of no Bluetooth in the specs. The lack of BT for keyboard and A2PD plus the price hike really has limited my lust for this device.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
SGD575. Hmm.. Now that I have the iPhone, I wonder if I really need this? Hmm..
- Winston Teo
$400 USD is to top of the price point that I believe most people will be willing to pay for a device that will be used to surf the web while watching TV. As any new product, including the yet to be announce Apple iTablet, the price will go down after the initial release and the TechCrunch gets some of its R&D back. I wouldn't be shocked to see the price drop to $350 after 3 or 4 months.
- Casey Russell
ronin said it best (3rd comment) "Goes from a no-brainer at $200 to a "ehh... do I REALLY need it?" at $400"
- Chris Heath
Remo, to be fair, the crunchpad is designed to be held. Having USB cords in the way really hampers the way the design is intended to be used. I experienced this experience with the Raon Everrun.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Boy, that looks a lot like an Etch a Sketch!
- Scott Hanley
"A Georgian blogger with accounts on Twitter, Facebook, LiveJournal and Google's Blogger and YouTube was targeted in a denial of service attack that led to the site-wide outage at Twitter and problems at the other sites on Thursday, according to a Facebook executive... Cyxymu's LiveJournal page wasn't accessible, but a cached version showed that it was updated on Thursday with a message about the denial of service (DOS) attacks on his accounts on the US-based sites. "Now it's obvious it's a special attack against me and Georgians," the message in Russian said."
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
Windows boxes strike again will 7 be ANY better?
- heretic_twit
Thanks for the retweet Brian. IF this theory is true (manual DDoS), it's *very* interesting...but I'm still wary. How did the messages become so clickable (compared to other SPAM)? Hmmmm.... Did they send an inordinate number of spam messages?
- Mitchell Tsai
Lazyfeed is the best thing ever--it's kind of like a more nimble, lighter version of Skygrid--a broader net, in some ways, but a simpler, cleaner interface. I love it. (And I'm trying to avoid it, right now. Bad enough that I'm here! Stop being interesting, you darn virtual world.)
- Kathy Fitch
@kathy, to be honest I don't see what make people sing lunge for the lazyfeed, yes it is clean yes it is user centred (speaking design), no more interaction with other users, it aggregate no more, and then it is just an other aggregation tool, so why not using GReader.
- abdellah
Well, the truth is that I find Google Reader rather clunky. I love lots of Google tools, but that's just not one of them. The interface is clunky, unattractive--just not at all appealing from my perspective. It feels harder to move around in, and not as easy to populate the feed with exactly what I (might) want to see (but don't have to look at). Also, the import of tags from one's blog is a nice feature in LF. Really just a gut reaction, though--seems to fit my flow better.
- Kathy Fitch
I was about the innovation!! there is no innovation in lazyfeed, may be just a bit in user experience, they elevate it a bit no more, but again compared if we are about user experience FF is better.
- abdellah
Oh, yes, abdellah--FF is my hands down favorite right now (literally--I spend hours with my hands down on the keyboard, here.)
- Kathy Fitch
abdellah, Lazyfeed competes neither with Google Reader nor Friendfeed. In fact we are all great fans of Friendfeed and Google Reader. We wouldn't create a tool that competes with those two because we know they're awesome.
- Ethan Gahng
@Ethan, please don't missunerstand me, I know that lazyfeed isn't in competition with both FF and Greader, my concerns were about , what new feature "or must have" feature lazyfeed can bring to feed agregation?
- abdellah
abdellah, no, not at all :) To answer your question, it's not the feature, but the concept(and philosophy) that is different. Friendfeed, you subscribe to what your friends say. Google Reader, you subscribe to your favorite blogs. Lazyfeed, you subscribe to your favorite topics. That said, we have lots of features we would like to introduce, and the technology to back them up, but your...
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- Ethan Gahng
@Ethan it is not an interests filter based feed agregation system, when people use GReader they subscribe to the topic they are interested in, and in FF people fllow and subscribe to people that share the same center of interst (mean topic). so even FF and GR are oriented topic too (people do that without even thinking about) (because users subscription are dicted and ruled around some...
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- abdellah
"Casu marzu (also called casu modde, casu cundhídu, or in Italian formaggio marcio) is a traditional Sardinian sheep milk cheese, notable for being riddled with live insect larvae. Although outlawed there for health reasons, it is found mainly in Sardinia, Italy on the black market. Casu marzu literally means "rotten cheese" in Sardinian and is known colloquially as maggot cheese. Derived from Pecorino, Casu marzu goes beyond typical fermentation to a stage most would consider decomposition, brought about by the digestive action of the larvae of the cheese fly Piophila casei. These larvae are deliberately introduced to the cheese, promoting an advanced level of fermentation and breaking down of the cheese's fats."
- Tudor Bosman
from Bookmarklet
Weird... Not sure whether I could eat it or not.
- Nikhil Dandekar
"The larvae themselves appear as translucent white worms, about 8 millimetres (0.3 in) long.[1] When disturbed, the larvae can launch themselves for distances up to 15 centimetres (6 in). Some people clear the larvae from the cheese before consuming; others do not." EWW.
- ⓞnor
I had heard of this before, but couldn't remember what it was called. My ick meter definitely rises when I think about it, but (as long as you clear the maggots) I guess it's not really any more gross than allowing milk to go foul until it becomes solid, then eating it. Yet somehow there's a difference between a good cheese and that crap that formed in my dorm room fridge. I guess it's just a matter of a controlled setting...
- Joel Webber
This is a nice list. There's no way to split internal to web and bookmarklet and email right? This stuff should be in a wiki.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
I'm still waiting for all Flickchart posts: http://friendfeed.com/search... :( They've got the hiding of API-services down, now just need to be able to search by them too.
- Nathan Chase
Jérôme, yeah I commented about a "me" for URLs too awhile back, it would make things far easier when sharing links.
- Kol Tregaskes
Laughing, here--shhh. Don't wanna disturb the sleepover, which might actually involve sleep, at this point. (Result of my water indulging days, doncha know.)
- Kathy Fitch
Mark when we told our 15-year-old that a new brother was on the way he said "haven't you guys heard of protection?" ahh teenagers these days.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Babies are so cool. Robert, when our daughter was about three months old, her older brother (about 5 at the time), very seriously informed me that I had misunderstood: he hadn't wanted a little sister, but an older brother!
- Kathy Fitch
I'm due 11-09-09 :) it's a little baby brother for #LD :)
- Melissa Davis
TheMacMommy: Just a couple weeks ahead of us... congrats!
- Michael Hocter
Michael and MacMommy: congrats! Kathy: Did he actually say that at the age of 5? That's amazing.
- Nir Ben Yona
Making our contribution from Oz. No. 2 son due in mid Dec. Got a great 19 week 3D ultrasound the other day.
- jjprojects
from iPhone
My son Cameron is having his 1st birthday party today. He wears his "Geek in Training" onesie from ThinkGeek proudly. :).
- Nathan Chase
in england, people used to have children in their 20's, now its closer to about 40. Means when our kids are teens we are old men and women now :p
- Mark
My wife & I, having twins due next february ;)
- Alemsah Ozturk
me and my wife got a new cat does that count :)
- (jeff)isageek
We are expecting our first baby mid September this year but I am no where close to the geeks Robert mentioned earlier....
- Amit Nangare
Nir Ben Yona--he did. I couldn't decide whether to feel really bad (he was clearly struggling a bit to adjust to this new creature, and missing the days when just the two of us hung out a lot) or to smile at the sheer hopefulness, there. Clearly, he figured I'd fix the problem! Amit Nangare, you are on FF, thus you qualify!
- Kathy Fitch
yep, we have one due in a weeks time. So add crowdstatus founder to the list ;)
- Darren Stuart
from iPhone
Umm, my wife & I have one moved out and the other graduated and ready to move out...oh, that's Empty Nest not Fill The Net or is it GET THE NET :)
- Owen Greaves
Yo Michael and MacMommy - Congrats. Robert's right ... seems every time I visit Friendfeed there's another couple announcing. Great stuff.
- Charlie Anzman
How would this impact the current podcasting world? Would they sue every podcast publisher out there?
- Fajar Nurdiansyah
Dave I am as well, it has been nagging at me all day long. If someone had tried to pull this crap in 2005-6 then all hell would have broken loose. Now everyone is cowering in the corner.
- Todd Cochrane
no one is cowering, they are just not interested in the story. podcasting is a little bit passée now to them
- Mark
I mean the big boys, certainly one of the biggest is TechCrunch. They don't exactly cower on stories :p They just are not that bothered about it, to come up with one of Those Biting And Controversial Headlines They Write.
- Mark
Having said that, I think some of the quality journals might have something to say in their Tech section today
- Mark
From what I have read, it appears to be a patent on a platform for delivering podcasting in such a way that the advertising in it could be updated independently to the content. You may deliver a show with an ad, but a year later, that ad may be obsolete or incorrect. The press release appears to focus on the technology of inserting that new advertising material into the shows. So,...
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- Johnny
"Brace yourself for the vanishing menu bar because Mozilla has published an official feature list for Firefox 3.6 in the form of a guide for programmers who need to know about the changes."
- LANjackal
from Bookmarklet
"What’s even more striking is how a flurry of fanning or short chains, all started by many people acting independently, often merges together into one gigantic group of friends and acquaintances. This merging happens when one person fans a Page after seeing two or more friends fan that same Page. A case in point is a Page devoted to a popular European cartoon, Stripy. The diagram below shows the cartoon's close-knit communities of fans in both Bosnia (blue) and Slovenia (yellow). A few fans serve as the “bridge” that brings the two groups together. A third cluster of Croatian fans (green) hasn’t yet found its connecting bridge. Finally, there are a few fans from other countries (grey), perhaps Bosnian and Slovenian expatriates!"
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
I knew it! Facebook is Friendfeed's research lab. Bret, how'd you keep this secret for so long?
- Amit Patel
Maybe I'm expecting too much rigor for a blog post, but this statement doesn't sound that impressive the way it's qualified: "In fact, more than 90% of a popular Page’s fans can be part of a single group of people who are all somehow connected to one another."
- Doug Beeferman
Great great product. Will they come out with a simple/cheaper/easier to collaborate web version (it did not do that a couple of years ago). MindManager + Google Wave could be really interesting.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Surely this year Microsoft will acquire you!; have you made any plans for MindManager 2010 that align with Office 2010!?
- James Burke
You could ask them about the following particular aspect of mind maps: its effectiveness, its support in their (and others) products, its popularity, etc.. The aspect: are the labels on the branches or on the nodes?! Buzan's original approach, his books and his software product use labels on the branches (the nodes are simply a place where the branches branch) and recommends only one...
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- John W Lewis
Any plans for corporate collabortion in the near or far future?
- wiredgnome
from iPod
I have looked at them before, and they have a lot (a ton) of add-ons and features, which muddies the waters. It would be nice if they had bundles. With the proliferation of start-ups these days, a cool feature would be the "start-up bundle" that walked you through the "so you think you have a unique ..." process. something most start-ups miss, and inadvertently fail as a result of.
- Erik Boles
More Tablet features such as ink brainstorming mode
- Donnell Walton
What are plans for Mac version, e.g. feature parity with Windows version?
- Thomas Koschate
Do you use it, and what's the benefit?
- Scott Zosel
Are they planning an iPhone version with sync to mac or windows?
- Larry Perlov
from iPhone
Robert, I'd like to know what they are doing to promote more map sharinng. I'd love to see maps as a centralised resource on the web I can hook into. Collaborative features to me seem a little light at the moment. I'd also like to know if they see value in offering a 'lite' version perhaps hosted for free on the web, could this be ad supported to offset costs? Would love to know if they...
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- Mark Aitken
I'd like to know what they are doing that's innovative in mind-mapping. Are they making the visualization more fluid? Improving ability to show multi-dimensional connections? Improving the interaction design? I would love to see concrete examples of what they are doing differently, and why it makes a difference. how do they keep us "in the flow" when we're thinking... ?
- Darius Dunlap
Edwin - we're definitely looking to bring mapping to the masses via the web; also, I agree, mapping your search results like Google wave is pretty cool. An integration there would be extremely useful for researching, gathering competitive intelligence, and writing.
- Michael Deutch
James - we're working extremely close with Microsoft. In fact, our team met with their head of innovation last week. He's a MindManager user :) In fact, someone from Microsoft posted on our blog a couple of weeks ago to share that his whole department is now using MindManager and they love the integration with Microsoft Office. Windows 7 and Office 2010 are both on our radar!
- Michael Deutch
John - great questions! We touch on some of this in the video. I've been involved in some internal discussions recently which raised the question of adding information on the branch lines vs. topics. I think many of the mapping software vendors have followed Mindjet's lead in this arena where the focus is on adding content into topics rather than the lines. I'm not aware of any study...
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- Michael Deutch
Amir - Yes. We already offer Mindjet Connect which allows organizations to collaboratively work on maps with a browser or MindManager 8. It also offers web conferencing and shared workspaces to store both maps and all other files.
- Michael Deutch
Erik - you're right on the money. Our VP of Sales has initiated an effort to bundle up product and services to help organizations adopt mapping and implement best practices.
- Michael Deutch
Donnell - I hear you loud and clear. I've been monitoring similar sentiments on the web and passing on these requests to our product team. With the growth of apple's touch products, introduction of HP's touch desktop, and upcoming release of Window's 7, rest assured that we'll take a renewed look at our own touch capabilities. In fact, Robert recorded a sneak preview of what we're working on for Windows 7. I'll continue to be an advocate for you here!
- Michael Deutch
Thomas & Larry - Mac and mobile are definitely on our radar. Expect news very soon!
- Michael Deutch
Mark - Collaboration and easy sharing on the web is a priority! We're also not tied to any business model so you may see some innovative packaging in the future. I'm personally an advocate of freemium models but know that there are back-end costs that must be covered. We're open to exploring all options.
- Michael Deutch
I would love to hear their thoughts on "desktop app" vs. "web app" and why they chose desktop. Personally, I would want all my info accessible from anywhere I am, on whatever computer I'm using, without having to install & maintain a desktop app. It feels so perfectly suited to a web app, and yet...?
- Steve and 3 other people
Darius - we're focusing a lot of attention on collaboration these days but continue to explore better ways to present information visually, navigate large amounts of data, etc... today, you could take advantage of tablet pc's and write your maps, voice technology and speak to your map, gestures to navigate, and more... I think you'll see more about 'purpose-driven' maps. In other words, not mind mapping for mind mapping sake but rather mind mapping embedded into your workflow seamlessly.
- Michael Deutch
Are they doing anything with blog/article/digg comments and mind maps? Maps could be used to group similar comments under a mind map node.
- ydfeed
You could ask why they are not on FriendFeed -- outside of Michael (at least the community labels on their website do not so indicate). Some sort of integration with FF could be a great marriage.
- Brian Sullivan
"What we do IS crafmanship." hard to agree, I can see the logic behind it, yes. But it could be both, I mean engineering is kind of a craftmanship?
- Özgür D. Cyric
contentious point on the surface that probably devolves to a semantic argument. i think the bottom line is that the paper's author, Tom DeMarco, is just mellowing out a bit in his old age. :-D you start off at one end of the spectrum (engineering Nazi) and you're bound to eventually realize hey sometimes you can just wing it. look at Twitter -- more hacked together than engineered, not especially reliable, but it has played an important role.
- Karim
Control is needed not for completion, unlike other disciplines, but for sustaining Software. Maintaining Semantic Hygiene is the Hardest task there is in Software Engineering Management. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Vasu Srinivasan
This is anathema to the entire software outsourcing industry that has grown on the premise that s/w development can be predictably controlled.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Leaving aside the sensational title, I think Jeff's point is that certain traditional practices like waterfall, software-as-a-manufacturing-process, discrete estimation, etc. never really accurately depicted the practice of building software. Jeff makes some good points, but I'm not sure that *craftsmanship* is the last word on this topic.
- Matthew Trunnell
It will be engineering again when computers stop getting faster every year. Would you really spend a lot of time engineering the mpg of a car if you knew that gasoline was going to be 2x as effective every 18 months?
- Sam Pullara
I think, s/w craftmanship is evolving to s/w engineering. IDE's are getting better, ALM tools and models are getting better. We have better tools, better models and new ideas to build s/w... Unlike any other engineering dicipline, s/w engineering is highly depend on intellectual property while developing s/w product.
- ersan bilik