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In Apple’s Ad War, Microsoft Has Started to Fight Back - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/glogin...
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Fun feature on the stories behind Apple and Microsoft's ad campaigns. "Apple’s ads put Microsoft in a bind. One of Madison Avenue’s rules is that a market leader never acknowledges a smaller competitor in its advertising. What’s more, if Microsoft responded with ads that backfired, it would look just like Mr. Hodgman’s character. Maybe it was better to grin and bear it."
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
It's about time.
- Hunt
I think Microsoft can take huge advantage of the door Apple opened, but will they, who knows. The have taken baby steps, there is a whole runway ahead of them if they want to pursue, just flip the coin, how many presenatations have you witnessed where the Mac wasn't compatible, I'm talking 2009 here not 2005.
- Louis Moynihan
lol... maybe: “You are not so embarrassed to take your PC out of the bag on a plane anymore,” said Mr. Reilly at the ad agency. “It’s actually kind of cool that you do. I know this is working.”
- Christopher Chung
25 Movies That Tried Their Best To Destroy The World - http://www.instantshift.com/2009...
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Box Office: The $400 Million Club Infographic | /Film - http://www.slashfilm.com/2009...
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Amazing to see the number of those Spielberg has had a hand in
- Jesse Stay
seriously.
- MG Siegler
the 15 year dead zone is also a little odd. of course with price-adjustments, there'd be a lot more, and the big ones from the past few years would be down the list.
- MG Siegler
and of course both star wars and ET were reissued. i'm just ruining this chart, aren't I? still, cool chart.
- MG Siegler
Yeah - would love to see it w/ the price adjustments and such. Future parislemon article maybe?
- Jesse Stay
Complete list of $100M+ box office films, adjusted for inflation - http://www.the-numbers.com/movies... Lots of other ways to slice and dice the data here - http://www.the-numbers.com/movies...
- Ken Sheppardson
Wow. I would've expected Austin Powers to make the one beelion mark.
- Dustin Sallings
Ken, yeah, and if you go back all time, Gone with the Wind tops the list with almost 1.5 trillion http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime...
- Karl Rosaen
Cool, Karl. What I'd sorta like to see is a curve for each film that shows how many times people have seen it. I'm sure it's a Pareto distribution... there's one guy out there that's seen Star Wars 1000+ times, and 10,000,000 who've only seen it once. I'd like to see what those stats look like for each film on that all-time list.
- Ken Sheppardson
Also, it's unfair to compare when some movies have simply been out longer than others, giving more time to amass revenue.
- Jesse Stay
We're all such film geeks :-)
- Jesse Stay
The numbers I would be interested in seeing are the box office ticket sales minus the total amount spent to create the movie. What movie made the most profit?
- Skyler Call
A Female Otaku's Room - Alodia - http://www.dannychoo.com/post...
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(am reminded of the Seinfeld episode where Jerry dated a girl with a killer toy collection.)
- Andrew C
heh. i read that as hikikomori at first when i saw all these toys.
- Gregor J. Rothfuss
Read this morning: I matured a little and have to admit Microsoft have outstanding products: Keyboard and mices. Lolz...
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Note to self: Don't 'friend' your boss on FB and then bitch about your job.
Hanna Bretzke, Alfredo, Nick Mutton and 243 other people liked this
Owned.
- Johnny
El. Oh. El. You gotta be some sort of stupid to friend your boss before your probation period is up. Fired in front of friends and family? PRICELESS.
- Admiral Anika
She's a f*ing idiot. A similar thing happened to a friend of mine at an ad agency, who accidentally texted "my boss is a fucking cunt" ... to her boss. She didn't get fired or reprimanded, but she freaked out about it.
- LANjackal
It floors me how much people openly vent about their jobs on public feeds like FriendFeed. Even if your boss isn't a direct contact, how are people so sure that a boss or co-worker won't stumble across it?
- Mike Doeff
from iPhone
If I have complaints about work, I try to mask them as much as possible or make them more about me personally than the job itself. At the same time, I really try to stay mum about any job I have..
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
Mike and how are you so sure that other people don't know who you are talking about? There's a person here on FriendFeed who complains about their coworker. Even though I live in a different city, I know that coworker.
- Admiral Anika
It also doesn't matter if anyone sees it when you write it, because The Google sees it and records it for anyone looking for it years from now.
- Trish R
Maybe the more general rule that comes into play here is to never say anything about someone you wouldn't tell them to their face.
- Ken Sheppardson
Well said Ken.
- Benjamin Taylor
What an idiot... When people claim we don't need guidelines for employees using social media, I just have to point out cases of extreme stupidity like this...
- Badger Gravling
Ouch! Hope she learned the lesson. And +1 Ken, this is the simplest rule not to forget at any point.
- lelapin
this is huge!
- Loic Le Meur
OH those lessons learned the hard way.
- anna sauce
Why friend your boss in the first place, especially if all you do is complain about the job?
- Adrian McMillan
Ouch… :P
- Daniel Schildt
Well someone has to make room for other people! From the sounds of it, she was probably already canned anyway.
- Robert Fisher
Well that was a bit dumb. The thing about social media is it's just so much a part of our lives. We are encouraged to pour our views and feelings into it but we have to remember who is going to be reading it. In the end we have to censor ourselves so as a result our lifestream is a watered down stream. There are no directors cuts.
- Parvez Halim
Absolutely priceless!
- Robert Couture
Oh and I forgot the LOL.
- Parvez Halim
this is something that may occur very often. More than we think!
- Rui
@Rui I remember a colleague of mine did a similar thing. Luckily they got away with a written warning and no pay rise for that year.
- Parvez Halim
HUGE!
- Nathan Guetta
Interestingly, every time I consider complaining about my job via any social media platform, I stop and think "how can I make my job better? how can I improve myself?" and then end up writing about that instead. It has made me a much happier person. Really.
- mike fabio
OMG ! this is awesome
- Franck Nouyrigat
OUCH!
- Retno Nindya
.. and that's why I'm private. I'm pretty good about not talking about work, but never know when I may say something completely stupid
- Rodfather
I think there is a serious point here: Your on-line social network pals will be supportive of you regardless of whether you are right or wrong. That's what friends are for, kind of. All the boss does is let in a bit of reality.
- sjjh
Maybe she wanted to be fired by her boss? Just questioning...
- Torsten Eckert
Splendid. Too bad the story isn't real. OR IS IT...?
- Francesco Balducci
I do so love the false sense of anonymity the Internet instills in people.
- matthew john ernisse
haha!
- orionstarr
Where did you get this? I'm trying to verify that it is actually a real event. Looks too 'perfect' and to generate this much hype I believe it is just two friends that wanted to laugh about how stupid the world is...
- Brian J. Reeves
April - you can't imagine how many people e-mailed me screenshots of this :)
- Charlie Anzman
I wish I was here in order to press the "Like" button.
- Clément Cailly
social media and your boss don't mix well :)
- Dave Q
Zing!
- Nick Mutton
baaa baaaa cute sheeps - http://vi.sualize.us/view...
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Microsoft joins HTML 5 standard fray in earnest - http://news.cnet.com/8301-10...
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"the new message indicates Microsoft is getting serious about the effort, digging into many nitty-gritty aspects of the proposed specification. That's important because Microsoft has of late embraced a standard-centric philosophy when it comes to what technology IE supports, and IE is of course the dominant browser on the market. Microsoft declined to comment for this story. Google, Apple, and Mozilla have been trumpeting HTML 5 features in their latest browsers, but Microsoft takes a more cautious tone."
- LANjackal
from Bookmarklet
Holy shit. I did NOT see this coming. Good development though. Wow.
- LANjackal
Next week: Pope converts to Islam. Stay tuned.
- LANjackal
OOOOOOOnlY the fiRsT ONEEEEEEEEEEE :D FOXY
- آریـوبرزن
And how long will this last until they need to do something special. If they want to be serious in the web they need to stick to standards.
- Rob Cairns
Of course, they'll want to use WMV for the <video> codec.
- Ryan - @magicofpi
I don't buy the whole story. Wouldn't HTML 5 render Silverlight obsolete?
- jcunwired
@jcunwired no. it should in theory, but the real "win" of silverlight is the development environment. a bit like GWT on steroids.
- mjc
"The IE team is reviewing the current editor's draft of the HTML5 spec and gathering our thoughts." They are only at the gathering thoughts stage! FFS. If MS continue to ship their browser in step with the OS, that means that we *might* see something in about 3 years time. Great :(
- Paul Grav
@Paul: Maybe the actual standard is ready by then, anyway. HTML5 is still a draft, so there is no hurry.
- Jemm
The standard not being finalised hasn't stopped other vendors from implementing parts of the HTML spec.
- Paul Grav
The problem with implementing draft standard is that when they change, there will be different implementations everywhere and nobody knows when they'll get fixed.
- Jemm
Again, that argument hasn't stopped Apple, Google, Opera and Mozilla from implementing the canvas tag and the video tag. That's just two examples.
- Paul Grav
So what? No point using them as they wouldn't work on all browsers anyway (video uses different codecs in the mentioned browsers, for example).
- Jemm
The fact that there is no suggested codec has not and should not stop vendors from implementing the video tag. Waiting until there's consensus or a recommended codec would just needlessly hold back progress.
- Paul Grav
I think the W3C couldn't make a choice and threw the ball at browser vendors, so some browsers will support only OGG (while big vendors avoid it), some will support only H.264 and Microsoft probably WMV/H.264 (like Silverlight does).
- Jemm
LAN, you didn't see it coming 'cause it ain't going anywhere. Lipservice/ trial balloon to see how it plays in the bleachers. At most HTML5 with DTD=MSFT, uniformly borked elsewhere.
- ianf ⌘
IMO, I don't think what HTML5 offers in its current incarnation has full feature parity with what Silverlight, or for that matter, Flash has to offer today. And in three years time, when HTML5 becomes a standard, there will likely be at least be two more iterations of Silverlight and Flash. I don't think HTML5 is a serious competitor to RIA runtimes like Silverlight/Flash yet.
- Jonathan Wong
You're quite right there when it comes to functional parity between native built-in parser and third-party runtime enviros such as Flash or Silverlight, HTML5 is not yet a contender there. However, just as practically everything you can do now with client-side Javascript could equally well be achieved with runtime-embedded (e.g.) Actionscript parser of the Flash, there really is no good justification for doing it in this fashion other than, perhaps, for code-encryption reasons.
- ianf ⌘
about time Microsoft cares about standards they haven't in the past and it's created havoc. Glad to have them aboard
- Seth Goldstein
Really, it's in Microsoft's best interests to pay more attention to the standards. This doesn't sound strange to me at all.
- Sung W. Lim
What's the difference between ignorance and indifference? ... I don't know and I don't care.
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Does anyone feel like the Mac is losing its edge? I am on Windows just as much these days. (MSFT is a client)
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Agree completely. Apps still seem better on OS X but with so much time spent in the browser I'm not using them as much. And I'm not so sure it's the Mac per se, but Apple. This article from Fortune/CNN/Money this morning points to some of it. "Apple’s curious PR problem" http://bit.ly/ly14m
- Gregg Morris
The tech-savvy can use just about anything without too much trouble. But I still see so many normal mortals struggle big-time with all the malware and malware-battling tools especially, not to mention initial set-up, app installs, etc. Mac's ease of set-up and use will still allow them a lot of growth with regular consumers for the forseeable future. Plus, $29 for Snow Leopard, when...
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- LogEx
I don't think I could replace iLife any time soon. iPhoto and iMovie are essential.
- DGentry
Leo - the slappiest of mac slappys, call Apple Mussolini's Italy, "the trains run on time" really took me aback. I'm anti mac, so I can never tell if my perceptions are truth or my anti-koolaid, but Leo (who admitted that he likes the trains running on time) stating my perceptions in such a clear way, made me think it may be the former.
- Matthew DeVries
I'm a Mac user, but Windows7 is really nice. Honestly, I'm mainly in the cloud and am at home on any device.
- Louis
@DGentry, if you do a lot with photos and videos, then the desktop rules.
- Steve Rubel
from email
Desktop rules.
- Kate Foy
I have young kids, therefore I have a lot of photos and videos.
- DGentry
Could it just be we have finally gotten past the 'Mac vs PC debate' and are now just using them for what they are actually designed for... like... doing stuff?
- Johnny Worthington
I love not having to sift through Spyware and Antivirus apps ,, to make sure they are updated , no more PC's ,, for me
- johnpiercy
The very instant you start doing anything important with your Mac, or enough of you buy Macs that I can actually accomplish something johnpiercy - I'll spend 20 minutes and write a worm against the nice soft mushy untested OS of yours. Until then, just not worth my 133t h4xjoor time.
- Matthew DeVries
Sexy UNIX commands: date, unzip, touch, strip, finger, mount, gasp, yes, top, man, uptime. [via @betania1]
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"mount man" and "man touch" are equally as sexy.
- l0ckergn0me
How about nice? "nice man touch" :)
- andrei_c
nice man touch; unzip pantz.gz; mount 0,0; finger *
- Sparky
And let's not forget that wonderful little program for converting .LIT files to plain text. You'd have thought they'd call it convertlit, but no, they didn't.
- Slappy Line
Google says Chrome OS will usher in end of malware, also announces patches for two exploits in Chrome browser - http://www.techradar.com/news...
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Why did Google announce Chrome OS this week? Well, of course, Microsoft has a big announcement coming on Monday (I'm embargoed).
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It'll be interesting to discuss both announcements too, and what they mean for each other.
- Robert Scoble
Is this that internet clipboard that Ray Ozzie demoed a few years ago? Maybe they've completed it!
- Diego Barros
I hope to see something good come out of this. Are they saying free or paid for the Chrome OS?
- Anthony Timberlake
That's my Scoble - seeing things behind the things!
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
*raises eyebrow* Interesting. I applaud more competition
- Mo Kargas
I'm intrigued!
- Daynah
Diego, no, it's one of Microsoft's primary businesses. Did you know Microsoft has 14 billion dollar businesses?
- Robert Scoble
Related to Microsoft's Gazelle browser? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13...
- Kiran Patchigolla
Windows 7 GPL 3.0 ?? Brouahahaa:-)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Microsoft isn't doing too bad lately.
- Eric Florenzano
cool, im thinking its a special version of windows 7 for netbooks?
- sean percival
Anthony: I'm sure it will be free.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I'm sure they do. As I'm sure IBM does. But I don't care about IBM. :)
- Diego Barros
BingOS?
- imabonehead
imabonehead :D
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
imabonehead: no. :-) Microsoft isn't that disruptive.
- Robert Scoble
And that means Google Is doing well once again, doesn't it?
- Markingegno - Donato
from Android
The Chrome OS will be for netbooks and such for now. And is Microsoft announcing the Free One Care?
- Dylan Richardson
haha BingOS! I like it
- Diego Barros
Bingo yes :)
- Kiran Patchigolla
*chuckles at imabonehead*
- Daynah
LOL BingOS! The startup sound will be Ballmer saying "BING!" like he did at AllThingsD conference.
- Paul Salzman
Bing-OS was his name-o!
- Daynah
Bingos <--- that was his name-o
- Micah Wittman
GoogleOS is already out - "It's the browser" - the GNU/Linux/Ubuntu skin is just marketing...
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
*high fives Daynah*
- Micah Wittman
An open source OS - how much stable will it be??
- Palak Mathur
Question is Robert, if you are not allowed to say, how on earth did Google find out?
- Sandra Large
Bingo-sssss
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Micah, we're on the same google brain wave tonight. :)
- Daynah
Palak - you troll
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Ride the wave :D
- Micah Wittman
Sandra: it might just be coincidence. Or maybe they have great spies. Depends on your view of the world, huh?
- Robert Scoble
Microsoft is open-sourcing their code too??? Yeah, didn't think so. :)
- Josh Fraser
Josh: part of the Microsoft announcement on Monday runs on Google Chrome (and Firefox for that matter).
- Robert Scoble
Not all "open-sourcing" is created equal.
- Micah Wittman
Maybe Microsoft is making it's secret announcement this week cause they knew Google was about to announce?
- Alan W Silberberg
Robert - say no more, don't get into trouble, Duder.
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Thats real funny Josh .. Its like pulling teeth to get them to give a discount on anything.
- Dylan Richardson
Alan: maybe! It all depends on how you look at the world, doesn't it?
- Robert Scoble
Nice Cant Wait!
- James Hunter
It just seems to coincidental. Like President of Iran making big speech during MJ's funeral!
- Alan W Silberberg
Scoble the only MS announcement they could make that would blow me away is Windows 7 Early release.
- Dylan Richardson
Dylan: Microsoft has a few other impressive things up its sleeve.
- Robert Scoble
So the question is now that Google's making an OS, will Eric Schmidt resign from Apple's Board?
- Paul Salzman
It's all just ones and zeros. ;)
- Victor Panlilio
So, do we give Calacanis credit for calling a Google OS back in 2006? http://calacanis.com/2006...
- Mike Doeff
Sanat: insightful. Paul: Google makes a smart phone OS, and he hasn't resigned, so why would he now?
- Robert Scoble
Zune HD. Looks nice for the first time ever I'm thinking about it.
- Dylan Richardson
Google is talking about it's goals at this point. Isn't Intel trying a netbook OS too that boots fast? It'll be interesting to see which OS features win out here with different implementations. Is instant on to the browser the key or will some other feature shine? Fun times ahead, though really need to see things in action.
- Loren Heiny
from iPhone
Dylan: sorry, that is dead on arrival. They should have combined Zune with a cell phone.
- Robert Scoble
I got a screen photo here: http://ff.im/4WoVE, I don't have much comments yet due 2 that I am using it now, its not much of an announcement.
- polou/indigo_bow
Robert, Zune with a phone hmmm??? I hope ur rite as u said ur embargoed!
- polou/indigo_bow
Gazelle?
- carrotmadman6
MS does not have the Balls to take on the iPhone.
- Dylan Richardson
Wait for Monday. Nothing else to say.
- Frédéric Sidler
from iPhone
Robert, because they claim to excuse him from the part of the meetings related to iPhone...computer OS is arguably the biggest segment of Apple. I guess he can stick around for the hardware discussions. I know my argument is elementary, but maybe walking a line here?
- Paul Salzman
What was the last big hit new MS product?
- James Watters
But if they did that would be cool competition is always better for the consumer.
- Dylan Richardson
James: Xbox? Dynamics? Bing?
- Robert Scoble
Apple is not really what I will be looking at Android is the big boy here
- polou/indigo_bow
MS Office on the browser would also explain why GMail and Google Apps are finally out of Beta today too.
- Ron Schott
Xbox
- polou/indigo_bow
OH OH Project Natal is coming out!! lol j/k
- Dylan Richardson
Robert: Thanks, wasn't hating, just looking for organic momentum from products. Bungie was def a godsend to 360. Bing proved Seth Godin wrong which I greatly enjoyed.
- James Watters
@Robert Scoble: So I looked up Microsoft's last quater's financial report, Microsoft does indeed have a $14 billion business :)
- Long Zheng
Bing is nice I have to say. Here is how I use it .. If I want to Buy or shop a price I use Bing. If I need info its Google.
- Dylan Richardson
MS better fix the %$^#%@^ Gumblar hole first, it's apparently worse than Conficker -- http://rixstep.com/2...
- Victor Panlilio
MS also has ~6+ B in R&D, is it efficient?
- James Watters
Not new news, but it could be the launch of Silverlight 3.0? Offline mode and all the other nice bits, runs on Chrome and Firefox.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Oh, really? When I get something on embargo...I don't write about getting it under embargo. Come on, Robert. You're better than that. Or at least I hope you are.
- Andrew Feinberg
I agree @travis, but google make it like a news
- polou/indigo_bow
James: it doesn't matter, a company like Microsoft needs a product pipeline to remain relevant. Research lets Microsoft remain relevant and on Monday you'll see a bit of how it does that.
- Robert Scoble
OK. Google Chrome OS. Netbook makers say Linux based Netbooks have high return rates. How will people react to a Netbook that only runs a browser? Linux has remained niche.
- Dileepa Prabhakar
Andrew: sometimes you have to take a risk. This is one of those times.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I will look forward to it. We ALL win when great software comes to the market. Almost nothing better in the world.
- James Watters
14 billion, maybe Office that runs on Silverlight, therefore in the browser properly.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Do you all think GoogleOS will just boot up right into the browser? Browser will be in firmware?
- Paul Salzman
BTW, Robert, will Microsoft finally dump IE and develop a Webkit based browser? (Forget Gazelle. Yet another stupid Microsoft research project that will never successfully make it mainstream.)
- Dileepa Prabhakar
Paul: no highly unlikely.
- James Watters
Dileepa: I don't know the answer to that. But the demos on Monday (I have a bunch of video coming) were shown to me in Firefox. So maybe that's our answer right there.
- Robert Scoble
James: so you think it will sit on top of Linux or something? Or just be a new flavor of Linux?
- Paul Salzman
Linux flavor of Chrome, thus far not arrived yet
- polou/indigo_bow
Paul: I'd look at Android as a precursor and say yes its going to use a google refined linux kernel, and I believe the post even says a windowing system. I'll check TC again to be sure brb.
- James Watters
Paul: I bet there will be some customization of Linux underneath Google's Chrome OS. I'm intrigued and can't wait to see what they will do with it.
- Robert Scoble
Google says the software architecture will basically be the current Chrome browser running inside “a new windowing system on top of a Linux kernel.” (quoting TC)
- James Watters
I can almost bet that its web based Microsoft Office with some nifty real-time collaboration features.
- sameer
Sameer - I agree. Explains cross-browser compatability
- Daniel Lazarides
from iPhone
"a new windowing system" leaves the door open for a greater level of abstraction away from the kernel for sure. Probably still with some access to files, devices, etc on the local hardware though which a browser alone would be a clumsy solution too.
- James Watters
If Microsoft's BIG announcements are Web based Office (already demo'ed and announced), Windows Azure RTW (nothing unexpected) or Windows 7 RTM (already announced to be announced!), there is nothing that's going to surprise people on Monday then.
- Dileepa Prabhakar
I think Wave might be integrated into the OS.
- Jayasimhan Masilamani
Dileepa: Windows7i -- the Cloud OS from MS
- Paul Salzman
Jaya: Like as a built in extension to the windowing system? Like IE and explorer?
- James Watters
@Alex Will they be able to match Open Source strategies as followed by Ubuntu,etc??
- Palak Mathur
just another rehashed disaster of windows in another marketing created packing
- Zac Bowling
Dileepa - They haven't talked much about collaboration using Office web. There was one OneNote demo that showed some realtime synchronization. I'm thinking more Wave-like realtime features.
- sameer
Zac: I'm going to believe Robert, but lets give him hell if this is marketing glossy! :)
- James Watters
Paul Salzman: Windows 7i with WGA! -- works only when accessed through IE when running on a WGA validated copy of Windows.
- Dileepa Prabhakar
Dileepa: that's it, we've called it! ;)
- Paul Salzman
Robert you managed to convert a complete google night into a complete MS night :)
- Kiran Patchigolla
James: it's been a while since I've felt compelled to do more than five videos at a Microsoft press conference. See ya on Monday.
- Robert Scoble
sameer: That will be mimicking existing Google Docs feature. Google Wave is at a completely different level and I am not sure if Microsoft is up to doing something like that.
- Dileepa Prabhakar
Till Monday it is, I'm thinking I'll even blog it.
- James Watters
Wave might act as the collaboration platform on the OS. But that leads to another question. Will the OS be tied to Google accounts for login?
- Jayasimhan Masilamani
Dileepa: Let's see, I think there's potential for implementation of realtime collaboration across the web based and desktop offerings of Office that could be of big mainstream impact. It's got to be something related to Office, Robert talks about the "$14 billion business" - The only other Microsoft business I know of that's that big is Windows.
- sameer
sameer: I said that Microsoft has 14 billion dollar businesses. Plural, not singular, but I also said it was one of Microsoft's primary businesses. That narrows it down a bit, yes.
- Robert Scoble
My guess is a MS hardware that will shake the netbook market!!
- Krishnan Subramanian
So that's a Win7 RTM announcement, combined with Web Office. If Web Office will be free to use, the combination of W7 Starter with Web Office will be a huge notebook hit.
- Kirill Petrovsky
If ChromeOS was meant to counter MS, then the logical MS announcement would be some kind of OS project, like maybe a combination of Microsoft Singularity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... ) combined with Silverlight for NetBooks or mobiles.
- Ray Cromwell
MS Web Office for sure: Scoble said it runs on Chrome and Firefox and it's a multi billion business. Actually, MS Office accounted for 18-19B $ in 2008.
- Jérôme Flipo
I fear that if the tech side of their release if good (but whatever the pricing), Google Apps isn't ready for the fight.
- Jérôme Flipo
Microsoft announces the cloud OS? I'm still not sure about a Google OS though.
- Burcu Dogan
Web Office in Silverlight, together with a mobile version that means we get Silverlight on WinMo and maybe even IPhone would be a win for me
- Ian Blackburn
I cannot wait...:-) but I DO have a clue...
- Eric Denekamp
Lots of people suggesting Office-in-browser but if that were it why would Robert be under embargo given they've already announced it and demo'd it? I'm not saying it ISN'T Office-in-browser but if it is then something doesn't add up!
- Jamie
Good point Jamie - the two primary business in MS are Office and Windows (in terms of revenue anyway), so perhaps this is more to do with a Windows OS in the cloud? How would that look?
- Ian Blackburn
Midori perhaps? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Jamie
Initially, Google VS Live, Then Chrome Vs IE & Google Vs Bing, finally its Windows VS Chrome OS
- Michael_techie
Ummm... are they announcing an online version of MS Office like Google Docs?
- prolificdyslexic
that's why I do not subscribe to Scoble - too many comments on his articles, too much noise
- Павел Романовский
I don't see any noise in here. Interesting conversation!
- Robert Scoble
The MS guy at Portland Cloud Camp said Azure was going to be released very, very <wink, wink> soon. #cloudcampPDX
- Gary Walter (gwalter)
@gwalter You’re maybe right. The front end would be MS Gazelle, and the back end would be Azure.
- Bram Pitoyo
Microsoft is finally putting the Zune out of it's (and out) misery and killing it? :)
- Diego Barros
Office Web Apps release to public beta is well overdue - first promised for end of 2008. If this is embargoed then it must involve something new. ScottGu hinted that Silverlight 4 was already in development. SL3 is released this Friday. So maybe SL4 will be released,in beta with a beta of Office Web Apps showing some SL4 features (like more AIR like features)..
- Joe Wood
It seems like "too late" and illogical for Microsoft to come-up with another vendor-lock-in type innovation and expect positive results. Microsoft is not run by daredevils nor wimps. The announcement Robert talking about might be about a web based productivity application suite, which is standards compliant and offers a familiar interface and workflow for people, thus easily adoptable and steal competitors' (G, Y!, Zoho, 37S, Adobe?, etc.) user base.
- Berk D. Demir
The thing thats got me shitting my pants over all this is Games. I need Windows to play all the latest Direct X 10 and 11 games. Linux is hopeless in that regard.
- Mark
Audience in here is mainly composed of technically inclined, early adopters. We feel comfortable with online apps and mainly ready to ditch (or already ditched) many offline applications in favor of our new toys. OTOH, that's a huge paradigm shift for the other majority of less technically inclined and incomparably bigger masses. Microsoft still have the power to lead masses, create...
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- Berk D. Demir
Interesting discussion! I vote for MS Office online !
- Krishnamoorthy
I commented in istartedsomething on Long Zheng theories with this list. so why not here after having read all of Scoble responses?: Safe Guesses (not crazy): 1.- Office Ensemble (Office Web Apps + Office Live Update) and a Office 2010 public CTP (the most likely one) 2.-Microsoft Online Services gets full release along with a full release of Windows Azure while one of the new Data...
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i crammed a lot of guesses that may not have to do with the announcement so maybe robert could say warm or hot to the whole list without having to specify. :P
- Avatar X
I vaguely recollect listening to the GIllmor Gang in June/July 2008 where Robert said he'd just visited Microsoft Research and seen "an amazing new browser". If memory serves me correctly it was said in the context of mobile devices but who knows.....this may be another contender for Monday's announcement!
- Jamie
Anything related to Midori ? http://technologizer.com/2008...
- Krishnamoorthy
Microsoft has already made their counter-move to a Google OS. It's called Windows Azure. It'll serve apps to the Google OS with ease and MS will make money in the process. Yeah, I know today the money be nowhere near what the Windows OS makes, but while the Google OS is gaining traction as a desktop OS, Azure will be gaining traction as an app hosting platform for that very same Google OS and others.
- Jeff Weber
More spam news will come in. Azure, Mirot ha ha ha
- Michael_techie
just another social network (where the IE users might hang out)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Another huge innovation like renaming Bing?
- Burcu Dogan
Google is initially going after netbooks via a new OpenSource OS. If Microsoft's Next Big Thing is Azure then they are betting that a locked-in cloud-based OS will trump Google's move. It's gonna be VEHLEY INTELESTING to see this play out.
- J.D. Deutschendorf
launching online enabled MS Office, free and beta
- Павел Романовский
I really hope it's not anything Silverlight related, some one is on crack if they think the end game is everything running in a plugin in a browser.
- Scott Kahler
Tease. Tease. :)
- Charlie Anzman
Robert, they'd better have more than a few "14 billion dollar" businesses. Their market cap is 200 billion for heaven's sake.
- Stephen Pickering
sorry, have to ask. did it make you cry? :)
- dannysullivan
does this mean google=novell?
- Eran Even-Kesef
Made the news onto electricpig your announcement!
- Giraffes Up In The AIr
Dr. Schmidt HAS to resign from the Apple board... too many conflicts of interest (iPhone v Android, Chrome OS v OS X, Chrome v Safari). What could he possibly be adding that can't be obtained through someone else?
- Gerald Buckley
You are in Palo Alto? I am in Mendocino. :)
- Joe
pricing of Azure will definitily be one of the announcements; not the BIG one. Office online perhaps...
- Jeroen De Miranda
Very interesting indeed. Chrome OS sounds like a great companion to Windows on a netbook+ device, for those times when you do need instant web/email. Looking forward to your videos!
- Will Johnson
Since the event on monday is WPC I'm guessing that Steve Balmer will present MS view on future of the Enterprise and showing off some of what Ray Ozzie has been working on. Coming full circle with Azure (computing infrastructure), Mesh (powering collaboration), SilverLight (future of runtime enviroments on all platforms) and of course all of this software+services has to be powered by Windows Enterprise Servers on the back end.
- Daniel Chow
Also the new Office is the first application to launch under the above stack. Scoble, did I get anywhere close to any of the embargoed announcements? :)
- Daniel Chow
Robert - Was GLADoS based on you? ;)
- Matthew DeVries
What do you think? How long will the Apple-Google Friendship last? http://friendfeed.com/applero...
- Hans Kainz
They are going to announce the release of IE 9 - the even worse with net standards addition.
- Bobby Griffith
Windows 7 Home/Business/Ultimate Netbook Edition. Each with different capabilities and things disabled for no reason other than to confuse users and make more money.
- Scott Koon
heh - i know now what the announcement is and i am not embargoed - i should make a post :)
- Allen Stern
Go for it, Allen! Inquiring minds want to know!
- Rudy Amid
Well if you do know, you owe it to your readers to report the news,
- Mark
Mark - That's if you see tech journalists (which I don't think Robert even classifies himself as) as true hard hitting journalists (think woodward and burnstein, ed Murrow) or if you think of them in the vein of Sports writers. Sports writers, like tech writers, need to foster relationships and have their names known and have to cross closer into the friendzone to get us the day to day...
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- Matthew DeVries
Mark: sorry, I signed an embargo. That's the way these things go and I'm not willing to burn this relationship, sorry. You'll know on Monday. Matthew is exactly right. And even with Woodward and Burnstein, they played this game. You didn't know who Deep Throat was, even though that was news too.
- Robert Scoble
Not even going to go for the Deep Throat joke... I swear, I'm not going to... :p
- Bill Heslin
what announcement?
- kang
I didn't mean Robert should report it. I meant Allen Stern who commented he was not under an embargo. He knows it, he has no NDA, he should report it.
- Mark
RT Allen Stern "heh - i know now what the announcement is and i am not embargoed - i should make a post :)"
- Mark
I hope its not Gazelle. If it is I respect Robert for abiding by the embargo. It seems as though no one in tech abides by embargoes any more. If it is Gazelle, might as well discuss since it is all over the tech blogs already.
- Keith Beucler
As they keep it under the blanket till now! It should be software only thingy! speculations about xbox, zune phone etc are free to leave!
- Amir
It's not Gazelle. At least I don't think so, because I have no clue what Gazelle is. I'm off to find out.
- Robert Scoble
Ahh, nope, what I was thinking of is not Gazelle. But now that I see the rumors I wonder if Microsoft has more than one major announcement on Monday?
- Robert Scoble
My Guess: They enabled Live Mesh Web Desktop to run applications, So in future all applications are going to be hosted in Live Mesh
- Amir
maybe i want use chrome all day,,just for internet surfing
- qian
Hey Robert, on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being an announcement that version 8.1 of IE includes a better spell-checker, and 10 being that Windows 8 is coming out in 2010 and is free, how many out of 10 is the announcement going to be in terms of having an impact?
- Mark
btw I have had this single chrome window open for about a week, and because each tab has its own process I don't get memory leaks like with firefox.
- Mark
Does unmodded, unaddon'd firefox leak?
- Matthew DeVries
Not sure to be honest
- Mark
So there could be your difference.
- Matthew DeVries
Mark: that's hard to judge. I'd say 6.9 based on how you framed it.
- Robert Scoble
Is this something that will go over well on Wall Street?
- Michael Fidler
Well, today Microsoft announced the promotion of Steven Sinofsky to president of the Windows Division.
- imabonehead
Robert ur (face) a hit today in the news outlets: http://lifehacker.com/5310444...
- polou/indigo_bow
I hope Google comes up with a great OS. I have tried any different Linux versions on my netbook but have never found the perfect one. Looks like they have connected the right partners as well so I am very excited. 9 0ut 10 for me. This could change everything
- Asgeir
TechCrunch on Scoblelizer's drumroll: "Office In Cloud Comes Monday" http://bit.ly/18sKUe
- JimmyJet
it will be a sigh of release for people come to fear those massive, massive office purchase/downloads. still a pain for when you travel and have no access online though...
- Terry O'Fee
While Google's forays in the OS and office productivity arenas are great for consumer choice, are they playing w/ fire? Google's core revenue stream is search, which has a much lower switching cost than any of MS's multiple revenue streams: Client, Office, Server. It seems like the two are pitching for a protracted fight that could be costly to both. But in a battle of attrition, it seems to me that Google could lose $ faster than MS.
- lingb
Windows ME Ultimate?
- Michael Funk
Well, it's Monday, what is the announcement about?
- SuezanneC Baskerville
MS is making Office apps online. Ala google apps. Boring.
- Rudy Amid
I wonder if Mike Arrington will need to make changes to CrunchPad because of Google's new OS?
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Would be pretty late in the production cycle for that wouldnt it?
- Geoff Schultz
CrunchPad looks pretty similar to Google's OS, very simple, very web centric. I wonder how Google shipping netbook OS will affect Arrington's plans?
- Robert Scoble
Are there pics of the Google OS?
- Jeremy Franklin
Mike is gonna bring out the first Google OS powered hardware ?
- Swaroop
Geoff: yes, but maybe CrunchPad 2.0 would shift because of it?
- Robert Scoble
I don't think the compelling feature of CrunchPad is its OS - it's the form factor. He won't lose anything by putting it on the CrunchPad as soon as it's released.
- Matt Mastracci
hmm, thought that u have 2 plug into the USB and doesn't have much memory on its own? I may be wrong cuz I didn't get much info.
- polou/indigo_bow
I am looking forward to both launching. CrunchPad has a great form factor as well. We haven't seen anything from Google OS yet.
- Louis Gray
Swaroop: I doubt it, because CrunchPad needs touch features.
- Robert Scoble
well it will be open source, so I wouldn't be surprised if the innovations flow both ways - my understanding of the crunchpad is it is also based on Linux - so you might see features merge between both platforms...
- Shannon Clark
Shannon: yeah, I wonder if the CrunchPad OS could be ported to the Google OS? If so, that could be a big win for Mike.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Browser == Java script == Capture Mouse movements == Integrate with Crunchpad hardware ?
- Swaroop
I bet it could, because CrunchPad OS is built on Linux and I bet it won't take much porting work to move it to Google OS.
- Robert Scoble
@All - May be Crunchpad emulator on Google OS :)
- Swaroop
crunchpad is silly and only gets press because its Mike Arrington's baby.
- Zac Bowling
Robert - my point is that potentially as well Google may be porting features from the Crunchpad - the beauty of OS platforms...
- Shannon Clark
Ah, I do like crunchpad much better perfect 4 my Canadian-ness eyes.
- polou/indigo_bow
Zac: I disagree. I want a CrunchPad. It looks interesting to me as a coffee table computer. A poor man's Microsoft Surface.
- Robert Scoble
In any case, I bet Michael's time spent on Crunchpad just went from 75% to 100%. Or at least it should. Getting caught slacking while an opportunity awaits is no good.
- Sam Dodge
Zak from the photos & features descriptions, I'm pretty darn interested in buying a Crunchpad - seems like a very useful formfactor and device
- Shannon Clark
my initial reaction is: "do we need another OS?" even more to the point, Chrome browser is still quite a ways from done (mostly plugin problems) and i've not seen a lot of progress in this area. my suspicion is that the OS will go the same route. big splash on the easy 80%, but slow going on the remainin (difficult) 20% i remain optimistically skeptical.
- MikeAmundsen
I'm pretty sure I'm going to pick up a freelance gig just to purchase a Crunchpad. If only to support Mike and his team as they take a huge leap from reporting on tech to making tech.
- Sam Dodge
Robert: Curious to what's on the coming monday.
- Swaroop
Swaroop: I can't tell you until Monday.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: *Waiting...*
- Swaroop
OS define by Google isn't really an OS at all its like going 2 7-11. Anybody agree or disagree?
- polou/indigo_bow
Oh, you are a tease Robert! Do tell, we won't pass it on, promise! ;)
- Sandra Large
I think that Google Chrome OS lowers the barrier so that a lot of other companies can deliver their own pads. As such it is not a great news for Mike but it also validates the vision so may be a competitor might be interested in acquiring CrunchPad
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Robert: We won't let Google index what you say. nofollow
- Swaroop
Edwin: will CrunchPad ship with a "Google inside" sticker on it? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Time to market is everything....
- Chris Reichow
Robert would they need a chip maker lol
- polou/indigo_bow
Robert: we had something like CrunchPad inside TI when I worked there a few years ago. not a resistive touchscreen but it was pretty cool. concept device to pitch the OMAP processors to the hardware vendors we designed in house. Nokia bought into it and created the 770, N800, and N810 devices from that tech.
- Zac Bowling
I think I would want the multi-touch capabilities of Win7 on something like a CrunchPad...
- Christopher A Carr
man i hope he uses it on the crunchpad instead!
- sean percival
With that form factor, it needs a wacom tablet and windows 7.
- Rodfather
I think that the bigger opportunity for the crunchpad is to enable other media companies (not Techcrunch) to buy the technology and create their own pads (everyone wants to replicate the Kindle model for their own content). The problem of Google OS is that it slice the Crunchpad in the middle.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Mashable have an article on: will Google kill Windows? http://mashable.com/2009..., seriously, we need more competition not killing them off!!!
- polou/indigo_bow
Rodfather: I disagree. There's a new opportunity to get rid of installable software and go completely with Internet platforms. That's why CrunchPad, Jolicloud, and Google's OS are so interesting.
- Robert Scoble
Google won't kill Microsoft. They don't need to. They need to open up new opportunities.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I am still scared to put personal data out on the cloud. Is it time already ?
- Swaroop
Robert they need to use cloud, therefore still would not solve the problem of storage.
- polou/indigo_bow
I still want the option :) GoogleOS will run on anything. So it'll naturally make it there.
- Rodfather
They do not need to kill Microsoft but they need to change the terrain of the fight from search to productivity apps and OS and they are doing a good job at it.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, I disagree, what is interesting about the Crunchpad is delivering a form factor that is better for many people than the Kindle (or at least a much better price point) I'm going to get one to use for lots of digital reading. Swaroop - pretty much all of my personal data is already in the cloud - and more secure there than on my computers in an earthquake zone
- Shannon Clark
is there the reason why there r SSL ways 2 purchase or other ways to keep data safe @Swaroop
- polou/indigo_bow
@Shannon. Form factor is cool but that is a pure hardware business, mostly outsourced to asian manufacturers and very thin margin. The software is where the barrier to entry and business models will be.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Shannon: My confidence is shaken when a lot of personal data/docs get exposed due to flaws in software. We just need a "skynet" kind of bot to auto check for vulnerabilities.
- Swaroop
@edwin the software is open source - which means that anyone can use it. the margins, though thin are real if you do hardware right. Sure outsourced, but high design & a competitive price can equal very large sales so small margin still equals decent profits (and sustainable business)
- Shannon Clark
@shannon: so do you mean that Google Chrome OS will not reduce the barrier to entry for companies wanting to create their own XXX pad?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
no I mean the Crunchpad & the GoogleOS are both based on Open Source, so the competitive advantage of the crunchpad is hardware design, not software (as far as I know from what I've read)
- Shannon Clark
polou/indigo_bow: Yes data transfer and storage could be encrypted. We need better identity management too
- Swaroop
yup current identity identification issues r not my favorite, OpenID not all perfect even though I am a big fan of it. Its so hard to work with, grrr @swaroop i could say more but thats all 4 now.
- polou/indigo_bow
unless they have already licensed some of the patents covering the more popular touch idioms using GoogleOS would give them a broad-base multi-touch API to work with that has deeper pockets to fight the patent battles
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
well this may sound strange - but I suspect more than a few patents could (potentially at least - I'm not a lawyer) be invalidated by prior art in the form of movies like Minority Report (and likely other earlier but less popular SF series & movies) which showed multitouch type of interfaces
- Shannon Clark
more copyrights problems cuz of the mighy $$$. that left the big boys again, isn't it?
- polou/indigo_bow
No mention on price...I wonder if google will go for the free + ads model. Imagine ads running on the desktop, along with annon. usage statistics, how much more will google know?
- Thomas Hunsaker
from Android
@thomas why assume they will run ads in/on the OS - I'd guess that like Android they offer it for free (or for a very marginal cost) to OEM's, bundled with a bunch of default links to Google properties (esp Google search as default) and profit from expanding the number of people & devices connected online. Add in revenues from selling cloud based packages such as Google Apps for Domains and they make money w/o ads on the desktop or privacy issues
- Shannon Clark
Thomas: why wouldn't Google Chrome OS be free?
- Robert Scoble
Thomas: You would have it Google Chrome OS Beta under Google Apps. And yes there will be a lite version where you can only run a single process :)
- Swaroop
Great discussion. I think Mike should not adopt Chrome OS for crunchpad to begin with. I don't even think Chrome OS would be polished by the time he plans to launch crunchpad. I think Crunchpad launch could set the bar and direction for what Google Chrome OS should/could be. In terms of usability, we still don't know how Google Chrome OS could play out. I think different initiatives such as Chrome, Crunchpad and Jolicloud will help this ecosystem,.
- Akshay Dodeja
I'll get a CrunchPad only if Chrome OS is in it
- Hendra
CrunchPad and ChromeOS are fundamentally distinct, seeing as they run completely different browsers (Firefox and Chrome, respectively). They will be able to share apps, though, as Google has stated that apps will work in any HTML 5 browser.
- Raphael, Raphael
Vezquex: why is the CrunchPad limited to Firefox? When I saw the CrunchPad I saw nothing that would limit it like that and that dependency, if it exists, is probably easily worked around.
- Robert Scoble
LOL... What a leading observation Scoble. Imagine if the Crunchpad will actually RUN the new Google Chrome OS.
- Greg
Robert - my guess is that as Firefox is one of the only browsers currently available for Linux that is what Vezquex is thinking - however with this announcement I suspect we can guess that Google will be announcing Chrome for Linux rather soon (which likely means for Mac OS as well)
- Shannon Clark
Is there a link to the crunchpad? been busy. Or to the google os (more high end centric than android). Nevermind got it here: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Mark Essel
Is there a spin off company now for the crunchpad?
- Mark Essel
maybe he was in on the big secret and crunchpad is the first device running chrome os?
- Servaas Schrama
Thought I read the crunchpad has a webkit browser ... Not firefox - at least not by default.
- Jonathan Greene
from iPhone
I agree with the browser as the OS but why would I want a pad that I have to lift my knees up to see when I can have a lap top that I can tilt the screen to fit any position I fell like stretching out in? The price point is going to have to be low, low, low for this form factor to take off.
- Stephen Pickering
Scoble, Why you want to discuss this, when we have other worries. Running adobe in chrome, UI etc
- Michael_techie
Hello…? reality check. Is there a CrunchPad on the market? Is there a $249.95 CrunchPad on sale? Quit talking of it as it it were a done deal. It it anything but, and the promiseware may yet end up in TC Deadpool before it has shipped a single unit. Takes a bunch of geeks on FF to discuss implications of porting "CrunchPad OS," hell, emulating it even, on Chrome OS, before either has passed into the domain of the real.
- ianf ⌘
@Shannon Clark [suspects that] "more than a few patents could (potentially at least - I'm not a lawyer) be invalidated by prior art in the form of movies like Minority Report (and likely other earlier but less popular SF series & movies) which showed multitouch type of interfaces." - you are confusing Hollywood with Real Life, which I suggest you get a dose of, the latter.
- ianf ⌘
It's all Linux, and I suspect that crunchpad if it even has an OS uses it too. Swapping out one Linux for another is relatively easy if you've got the source and the hardware information. <3 the Linux Virus, an OS that runs on almost all known hardware, and even as a x86 BIOS for instant ON.
- rob friedman
@dodeja "I think Crunchpad launch could set the bar and direction for what Google Chrome OS should/could be." Puuhlease...get real, what have u been drinking?
- Hendra
I wish Mike luck with the pad but it's just not the right form factor for me, just a little too big from what i can tell. My ultimate would be like a 6" screen. With a device this size you have to decide if you are going to finger or thumb type. Anything in between is going to be awkward.
- Keith Beucler
actually no. If a work of fiction depicts an innovation (especially stuff like UI) that could certainly be prior art. The point of a patent is to be INNOVATION - prior art, even in fiction, is just that - earlier examples of someone else having the same idea. And in the case of Minority Report - a LOT of people contributed to build those interfaces & design ideas - see http://www.lukew.com/ff...
- Shannon Clark
Shannon, you win. Please be sure to report back here (minority- or majoritywise, either will do) on any patent application contesting case, where fantasy GUIs cooked up for film-clarity reasons –it's never an easy thing to show off on a cinema screen– are entered as exhibits of "prior art," therefore either invalidating, or denying a patent. I'll wait by the computer until next Tuesday, do we have a deal?
- ianf ⌘
Zoom into Michael Jackson's life in pictures - http://www.msn.michaeljackson.shoothill.com/
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Bing launches Google Trends-like service xRank http://www.bing.com/xrank/ Bing is VERY strong effort by MSFT Google should worry #bingrocks
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There are still some things that I think google does better, but I think I am a strange case...
- Robert
Google is still my number 1, but Bing has been able to solve everything google has failed at for me.
- Matthew DeVries
Image search, video search and xrank were things that Live Search already had. they were just refined even more and updated with the new Bing Engine. things like Shopping + Cashback, Travel and Question Searching are the new things in Bing. for example you can ask it to translate:, to tell the market wage for a certain job, to rate exchange a currency, to do math, to tell the weather,etc, etc. Mahalo index would do good in Bing. maybe Jason will want to sell :P
- Avatar X
wow. thats good
- Zafarali
Valkyrie by *OmeN2501 on deviantART - http://omen2501.deviantart.com/art...
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A big wow for Valkyrie! Thanks for sharing
- Zahra (raoros)
Now I'm convinced. BING could be HUGE. - http://anzman.blogspot.com/2009...
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I've been seeing growing Bing referrals since a few days after they launched. I really don't care what geeks think of the service -- someone is obviously using it. Never thought I'd say this: Good luck, Microsoft.
- Chris Baskind
I would love to hear which searches you tried and especially liked. I think Bing shows your previous queries on the bottom-left of the search results page. Plus you can click and see all your previous searches in the same spot--sharing the queries you liked would be wonderful. :)
- Matt Cutts
Strange coincidence Matt (Really) since I just posted the Matt Cutts 'dual profile' bust here before seeing this :) Honestly, I didn't keep a list. Next time I will .... or do a follow-up. They weren't computational as in the comments. They were worded as actual questions "What time is it?" "Where is <town> <state>" were some of the simple ones. There were a lot of "how do I" type questions. I'm sure you've been there but just tried "Who is Matt Cutts?". Looks like that's fixed :)
- Charlie Anzman
PS: I also did a few "Where can I buy <product> and received some solid organic stuff (in addition to the cashback sponsored stuff at the bottom ... which I didn't like .... IE: The log-through process).
- Charlie Anzman
I must say I like it alot, I was mildly surprised. About time :)
- lisa smith
I most also agree that I have been typing www.bing.com instead of www.google.com -- now if only microsoft offered FREE exchange/imap service to hotmail to be used for the iphone, that will be the day i switch back to windows live from gmail
- Bryce Campbell
I think the campaign is right on. Bing is about decision support rather than search.
- Kathleen Gilroy
I tried the example from the article: "What time is it?". Google wins on that one.
- Tim Tyler
Maybe I'm using it wrong, but I can't seem to find one reason why I'd choose Bing over Google. For instance, I search for 'gs605', a cheap switch that I have my eye on. Google's results are better, I can see immediately how much I can expect to pay.
- Paul Grav
Paul - I 100% agree that Google 'search' is better. In fact, I think it would be VERY difficult for anyone to replicate what they've done at this juncture. The point was that (1) If you phrase your question ... as a question .... you get much better 'answers' than MSN / Live.com ever had, and (2) There has, in fact, been a significant amount of work done here ... not just a facelift. Frankly, it's probably Yahoo who should be ducking here??
- Charlie Anzman
I guess I don't get it. I ask questions, I get a list of pages. Maybe my questions aren't valid ones, but I was trying a bunch of those in the Bing commercials.
- Mistletoe Glen
Gonna be busy for a day or two ... but I'll try for a follow-up with examples ... There's big potential here.
- Charlie Anzman
Without examples, that article is pointless. Show some example queries, side-by-sides, why results are better, etc. The article is basically: "Bing is awesome" with no backing evidence.
- Steve "Daddy do it!" Lacy
+1 Chris
- Charlie Anzman
compare and contrast with http://www.google.com/search...
- Chris Heath
my personal opinion is that google has the best number one result... the search engine watch page is 8th on bing - that's big, but bing's results aren't /that/ bad
- Chris Heath
Top 3 visited post I ever wrote. Never saw it coming ... Ya never know.
- Charlie Anzman
@Charlie. So I have to unlearn my usage habits in order to get the best out of bing? How many other people are willing to do this, or even know that they need to do this? Personally I don't know if bing is better than google or not, but I'm not seeing anything significantly better. I mean, I tried to get the plane ticket prices over time to apear, because that sounded like a great feature, but I failed miserably.
- Paul Grav
you da man!
- Mark Harai
from email
Safari 4 on Win 7 gets "Thumbnails per tab" feature! - http://twitpic.com/7ajwf
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Sweet. I think I might start using Safari as my primary browser on my W7 machine. Or do the windows still look like arse?
- MλTT
It's not the usual Safari 3/iTunes window style. And I frickin' HATE that it's not. But overall it's pretty ok UI-wise.
- vijay
I shall download it when it isn't 3AM.
- MλTT
Would be nice if Firefox did this. I guess it's just a matter of time.
- Kittyburgers
Google Wave is the opposite of Twitter which is why it will fail. We need more "what comes after Facebook" not a quest for email 2.0
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Does anybody else agree with Dare?
- Louis Gray
I certainly don't. His comment seems to indicate ignorance of what Google Wave is. It's so interesting to me that everyone is focused on Google's overlay instead of the engine.
- Karoli
I disagree. What features of Facebook or Twitter does it lack (or will it lack once more bots, extensions, and UX improvements are developed) that makes it not a contender for an open-web communication and collaboration tool (i.e., social networking service)? And it is capable of so much more.
- LogEx
I disagree. All you have to do is watch the Google Wave demo at their IO conference. After watching, digest the information, then go ahead and send a traditional email. You'll see how necessary Google Wave really is.
- Kevin Pruett
I don't get how it's "opposite" or, if that is true and means something, why that would be bad.
- Fred Yankowski
disagree.
- vijay
If wave is successful, it will be because it's not considered to be anything 2.0. If it promotes spontaneous conversation and mild amounts of social preening, and moves the ball down the field from other services, it will do just fine. And all google products by default start as successful, because they don't individually need to monetize.
- Christopher Galtenberg
(I like what you did here, Louis. What's that word for the person at a party who gets beers in everyone's hands and talking? You that :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Disagree. How my friends use Facebook. (1) Crappy apps; (2) Status updates; (3) Facebook email. (Which I have set to get to me via real email. Pisses me off that I then have to login to Facebook to reply though.) So what comes after Facebook? Facebook with Wave.
- Andy Bold
@LouisGray We're having a great debate about Google Wave here:http://friendfeed.com/google-...
- Jorge Escobar
^---- Yes, anyone interested in Wave should read Jorge's thread.
- LogEx
I haven't looked at Wave too closely, but I tend to use FF/Facebook/Twitter in a very different way from email. In fact I don't use email outside of the corp environment anymore and there the integration between, outlook, office communicator and office live meeting is really awesome.
- Chris Patterson
Well, I said two things; (i) it is the opposite of Twitter and (ii) it will fail. which one do people disagree with? :)
- Dare Obasanjo
The spirit (at least as I see the statement's essence) of what Dare is saying is right - that apps that take it to the next level BUT are accessible to the general public are the ones that will succeed so cooking up a French masterpiece is a recipe for failure when all your customer wants is taters and ground beef (feel free to correct me if I misstated your premise Dare) - that said I...
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- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
I won't have an opinion until I give Wave a try and see how it fits into my life.
- Roger Benningfield
email 2.0 is really asking what does real time communication look like. Wave is probably not the answer. But the platform maybe very useful for the next generation of real time web mashups.
- Aaron Fischer
Being the "opposite of Twitter" isn't necessarily a bad thing. It depends what you mean by the "opposite of Twitter." For instance you could mean that it will have very few users but make massive amounts of money. Could you clarify.
- Adewale Oshineye
Dare, I don't even see it as being in the same league as Twitter, but if I reeeeaaaally stretch, I can say that it is Twitter five iterations down the road. Not the opposite at all. It also won't fail. You just won't see it, because it will be the engine driving apps people use every day.
- Karoli
wave reinvents IM, not email.
- Cliff Gerrish
I assume you mean that it's the opposite of Twitter in terms of its complexity, versus Twitter's simplicity. But I think it mostly *seems* complex. There are really only three parts to it: writing (or inserting pictures or any other content), commenting, and who can see it. What you choose to use those parts to do is completely open, from chatting to email to working on documents together. So I think it may take a little while for everyone to "get" it, but I think once they do it'll be huge.
- Tom Small
I am excited to starting coding against the new Wave APIs. Just wait till you see what is possible. There's a reason a room full of a few thousand developers gave a standing ovation for about 5 minutes... go dig into the apis and you'll start to see the magic. or stay up at the surface with the rest of the so-called experts in the tech-blogo-sphere and talk the talk. My advice: pay attention to new dev projects using Wave APIs & follow the developers.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
I agree, it's not the google wave "application" that is the big deal, but the infrastructure - this will be the backend for so many cool things.
- Jack Jones
"opposite of Twitter" could mean a bunch of things. it could mean that Wave is the opposite of Twitter architecturally -- a network of federated servers, instead of whatever 386 Turbo is under Ev's desk. :-D so then the question becomes, "does Wave scale?" is it ACID? do updates have massive latency? what happens when millions of users start beating up on it, when you've got 500,000...
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- Karim
"opposite of Twitter" could also be understood from a user experience standpoint. the limitations of Twitter also make it simple -- you don't have to worry about fonts person A has but not person B, for example. there's no threading in Twitter. but in Google Wave you can create Waves from other Waves, leading to the usual BBS-type refrains of "why did you start a thread/Wave for that?...
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- Karim
I think what Dare means is that Google Wave is the opposite of Twitter in that Wave will stay up 99% of the time and people still won't use it.
- Scott Koon
finally Wave could be considered the "opposite of Twitter" in that there is the expectation that people will get "real work" done using Wave; i.e. you will be putting your company's confidential information in there, which doesn't happen on Twitter. Federated Wave servers address this to a degree, but then you are adding complexity and sysadmins and hardware and the need for backups, etc. -- all the things that go along with having your own email server. Which you don't have with Twitter.
- Karim
Scott, people said that about FriendFeed, too... :-D
- Karim
I don't see how being the opposite of Twitter is a bad thing...
- Johnny
I still hold to my beliefs that wave is just googles take on twitter.
- John Shue
Wave looks great to me.
- Wo
+1 Kevin Pruett - The demo made me realize I have IM, email and office apps open in different windows or tabs at the same time. I must move between them to do anything productive. All of the sudden it seems wrong. I don't know if this makes sense, but Wave seems like keyboard shortcuts. I don't think about which application I need to use or have open: I just know that Ctrl+F or Ctrl+C etc. work. Another example of this is Jeff Han's multitouch demo on the TED site. In his words, "the interface disappears."
- Jack Frizzell
Dare is wrong. I'll be suing it the minute it comes out but not as a Twitter/Face Book/Friendfeed app (even though it could theoretically do any of those) but as a collaboration tool.
- John Hardy
to my mind they are opposities in architecture/PoV: while a tweet on twitter = a blip on a wave, you usually look at twitter from a single tweet on towards the rest of the conversation (bottom up). On wave, you start from the top, as the whole conversations unfolds before you (in case you use the wave client as a UI).
- Björn Klose
@Christopher Galtenberg (If wave is successful, it will be because it's not considered to be anything 2.0) Good point
- Amiroo ™
I do, but the answer is already in front of us: Location based, mobile, social networks like Brightkite.
- Brandon Mendelson
yes, but for the business folks (the folks who can not get their heads out of...) need something that is close to email 2.0. If Google has it then lets see it
- Braden Douglass
An apple is the opposite of an orange, right?
- dthree
Wave is complex relative to Twitter's simplicity. But just because it's complex compared to Twitter does not allow for claims to be made that it will "fail". I do agree that there is a "what comes after Facebook" question, Wave can be the next gen platform. But will your parents use it as a replacement for email? I don't think so. My take? It will evolve. And not in the corporate world. Agree with Chris Patterson regarding MS Communicator and Live Meeting.
- Todd Weidman
I think we'll see Twitter and facebook adopt wave. Imagine both of those organisation using the platform with their own apps/engines on top. Twitter probably first as it will be easier for them, but I think the wave functionality will work better in the FB environment.
- Keith Bennett
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the comment is rather ambiguous so it's difficult to respond whether I agree with it or not.
- Jamie
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I think Google is trying to solve a problem we don’t have in the first place. Google Wave feels like an auto manufacturer that wants to mix a sports car, a family car and pickup truck in one. Each one of them has a specific need and a specific set of benefits. Email, Instant Messaging and Wikis work fine as they are, and mixing them might be something that most people don’t have the need for. I think Google Wave is a pet project that happens to tap into the buzz word of realtime collaboration, but it fails to deliver something that could be actually useful.
- Jorge Escobar
I want to move the conversation started in various posts into one place. So far guruvan (Rob Nelson) posted a brilliant response to this post that I'm copying below (guruvan, let me know if it's okay with you):
- Jorge Escobar
guruvan said "Jorge, I have to agree with Chieze. First off, the comments about it all residing with Google would be valid if it weren’t for the fact that Google wants to see this be federated not unlike the email that we have today. I think that you’ll see eventually most of the “big names” will run their own wave services (Facebook, Yahoo, Microsoft, etc, etc.) As for who controls the...
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- Jorge Escobar
love the picture
- Alfredo
I need the features of Google Wave every day. The lack of a need to duplicate things alone is worth it. Then the fact that you can publish sections to a blog, wiki, or any other service you can code to is a bonus. Wave will be awesome, and once people get used to what you can do with it, they'll laugh and say how quaint old email, wiki, and IM were for office communication and knowledge worker tasks.
- xero
how can you say email works fine as it is when easily 3/4 of the emails received are spam? and of the remaining that are not, the information is static and except for html views, lifeless? (or worse, virus'd to the hilt).
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
The real challenge to adoption is the speed at which other parties can get wave products out to market, and that depends on the speed at which google can a) push through the federation standard, and b) open the source code. For the moment we're going tohave to be satisfied to develop gadgets and robots and such that operate within Google's environment. But once they release their code,...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Here's my take on this, though. If Google wants this to be a service that can be used by the other big guns like Facebook/Yahoo/etc, why are they launching it first and not as a consortium? In the past we've seen how slowly these guys have moved just to implement half of the OpenID platform. Do you think they will just open their servers and install something that Google initiated?
- Jorge Escobar
The interesting thing is, that while Google may have (and may always) fail at "social networking" their Wave product is likely what will bring social networking into every desktop in corporate america. (where social networks are today being banned and blocked)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@Mike, my point is that email works as it is because people understand that it's sort of a letter they sit down and write. Spam is not a problem, in my mind, as you could argue that spammers will also try to attack Google Wave as well. Besides, Spam is being handled very well by providers (I hardly get Spam email on my Gmail account)
- Jorge Escobar
I agree with xero - It's all just text and media manipulation... why should I use something that only handles specific types of manipulations when I can use ONE application that will handle any of them depending on my needs at the moment? For instance, at work a lot of conversations via email/IM turn into project requirements which then turn into task lists and bug reports which then...
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- Fa La La La Lindsay
I think that they're going to be forced by the marketplace. I think that the hype machine is going to push this as hard as it has Twitter, and that alone will force the big player to adopt it. The fact is that consortiums tend not to be fast when developing a product/platform etc. Consortiums seem to work better after the large development has been done, and the work can be handed off to the consortium for long term housekeeping
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The wave is much more resilient against spam because of how it's stored. It puts the economic onus on the spammer rather than the spammee. This is the opposite of how it works in the email world.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
And I totally agree with Lindsay & xero. This is why I think the wave will in face replace several different forms of communications, and why I think that the big players will actually adopt it. They'll also adopt it because they won't have had to do all the development work, and can still reap equal or near equal rewards to those that Google will reap.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Fundamentaly, what does Google get out of this? The get the pick of the crop of little startups that have various revenue strategies associated with wave products. Google won't make any real money off the Wave itself. Its a huge investment in the future for them (IMO)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
My only problem with Google Wave: seeing every character/edit someone does in real time is on by default. It's just a show piece with little to no practical value. Turn it off by default and it will be easier to adopt for most people.
- xero
I just don't see (specially) Facebook just rolling over and opening their servers to install a Google Wave. As much as I'd like that, Facebook is very keen on keeping their experience under control. I just don't see them opening to having Waves when they are also racing to be a real time platform.
- Jorge Escobar
Xero: When I describe it to people as "real time ,full duplex multimedia communications tool" They ALL go "ooooo aaaaaa" and want it now. And I'm talking just regular non geeky people.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Guru: but I don't think you're thinking of the same non-techies Xero and I are thinking. We're thinking Grandmas and Dads and Sales people who don't even understand what Twitter is. Don't you think we're years away from that type of adoption?
- Jorge Escobar
It won't BE a "Google" wave. It'll be a Facebook Wave. It will make their transition to a realtime platform that much easier and that much more complete. But mark my words, you'r ecorrect that Facebook isn't likely to install a "Google" anything to get there. They'll take the code, and modify it to suit their own needs. Facebook is moving away from their walled garden model, and they'll...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
No. Gramma has talked on a realtime full duplex phone since forever. The non-realtime of email and IM is a far bigger stretch for adoption than the wave is. It's amazing that they use the communications tools on the net as they are because they AREN'T like the wave.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@xero - actually I kind of like the real time typing stuff... It reminds me of "talk" back in my BBS days... you could express a lot more emotion through that real-time typing than you can otherwise. If you want to play with it, make a new EtherPad (http://etherpad.com) and get someone to join you on it... I think that's a taste of what Wave will be like.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
I think most people think like you are Lindsay. I think that the delay is one thing that keeps people from taking social networking and sIM and things seriously and adopting them as fully as we have
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I'm not a fan of watching someone slowly hack out all of their (and my) spelling mistakes, thought pauses, inline research, etc.
- xero
Did you see spelly? That thing corrected spelling in realtime too
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
But then again, I'm a letter writer and not a talker. I like to have time to collect my thoughts, flip them around, and try again.
- xero
Did you ever use a BBS back in the day, xero? It felt a lot more personal communicating with people like that than IM does to me.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
And also, I'm predicting text-to-speech robots for the waves to be developed (for the blind etc) but also I'm predicting that VoIP networks will be connected to the things too so that you can have voice communications become part of (and be stored with) the wave
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
It sure did Lindsay. That's what I grew up using
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I also think realtime is falling in line with other buzzwords like AJAX or web 2.0. People will all be running like ADHD headless chickens trying to make sense of all these Waves happening at the same time. With email *I* control the timing.
- Jorge Escobar
The only BBS I used was essentially a forum. You typed it up, then posted it. I like the interaction of real-time chats (like IRC) and IM, but am satisfied seeing the "x is typing a message.." message as opposed to the actual characters
- xero
I'm satisfied, in that it works ok enough to get the job done, but there are lots of times that I would like to have real time. (and occasions that I would not! - and the Google wave product -client certainly accounted for that desire)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I also don't like at all (from the demo) that you can go and edit *any* part of the message; it looked like total chaos to me...
- Jorge Escobar
I guess I'm nostalgic because I had a lot of friends that I kept in touch with using "talk" on BBSes, including a couple of boyfriends and my husband. But it was more like a phone conversation (which was way more expensive back then) to do the RT typing. A lot more personal, and less annoying when you wait 20 minutes for someone to perfect that sentence and press the enter key.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
You can edit any part of a wiki, but that doesn't make it chaos. Besides, you can always set conventions for edits, just like people do with blog posts and news articles.
- xero
@xero but you don't see edits on the wiki on real time. While one person edits, the document is locked.
- Jorge Escobar
@Jorge - you don't HAVE to participate in every wave as it's happening... you can let them queue up just like email does. Wave just gives you the option of being able to communicate in RT.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
There will also become ways to prevent edits on any parts of the wave. Remember, a lot of the eventual model of the real platform is being left up to outside developers. I can already imagine access control robots that determine which parts of the wave (or wavelets) that a given person can edit, revert etc. It won't be any more chaotic than a wiki, and in fact is likely to be less so because of the potential for real time automated access control
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I'm thinking the button to toggle realtime will need to be a prominent feature in every wave app.
- xero
It looks like a lot of power will be given to developers, which is good on one side. But look at what happened with Facebook platform apps -- a lot of junk out there
- Jorge Escobar
Sure, and you'll be able to have a wave filled with crap like Facebook quizzes. Or, you could have a wave that isn't filled with that. And in a publicly accessible wave, you might want a robot gatekeeper that tosses stuff like those quizzes out (I hate facebook quizzes BTW! ) ;)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
regarding an earlier point, I personally liked real time typing. It was one of the few things about ICQ that I really loved. It felt much more natural, like I was actually having a conversation. You could watch them form their sentence and figure out what you were going to say before they finished, kind of like a real voice conversation.
- Chieze Okoye
realtime, full duplex is the way we normally converse. to do so as we are right now is somewhat unnatural
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
to say that would be unbridled chaos is not unlike saying that a conversation between 5-7 people would be chaos. Sometimes it is, but more often than not, "rules of the road" meaning common turn-taking conventions spring up organically and naturally (or sometimes not so naturally). We're already wired to converse in full-duplex, real-time
- Chieze Okoye
yeah, what Rob said.
- Chieze Okoye
I think the notion of chaos comes in the revising what others have written. And I think everyone is aware from the experience of things like wikipedia that there will need to be additional controls able to be put into a wave.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
:-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
oic, yeah
- Chieze Okoye
if wikipedia can solve it, so can wave.
- Chieze Okoye
I do agree with guruvan in one thing: this could be a "before wave", "after wave" era, if things work out. It really is a revolutionary piece of software!
- Jorge Escobar
Wikipedia has their difficulties, but there isn't an easy way to automate all of that in the wiki. The wave (IMO) lends itself to this with the ability to invite robot entities into the wave as participants.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
What about FF, guruvan? How is it affected?
- Jorge Escobar
don't get me wrong Jorge, the full adoption will take a long while. PLENTY of gateway products will have to be written - several so that you can send an email from/to a wave, a few more so that you can tweet from/to a wave, IM from/to a wave, SMS from/to a wave - the point is that we want the wave to become the centerpoint of the conversation. All these legacy data types will have to be supported to make it successful - we build on the previous layers
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I forsee a distinct possibility of them adopting the wave to FF, and this conversation we're having now is in a wave ;) (but adding to our waves here, all of our aggregated content) - In fact I think that friendFeed is the best positioned to take advantage of the wave. Then Facebook. I think twitter is going to be left out in the cold, as a "legacy data type"
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
What remains to be seen with a FriendFeed - is just how waves are begun, what their starting content is. Is it like this thread here, with each piece of aggregated content? or is it going to look some how different. I don't know that yet.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
i love the pic.....
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from email
Great discussion guys! What I was thinking this morning was how this is exactly why we need something like Google Wave. Right now this discussion is trapped in Friendfeed (although it's showing on my blog via Backtype) but people are also commenting on my blog and those comments are not showing here. I think bloggers would have a great way to power their commenting and aggregate that comment across many sites, like guruvan said some posts back...
- Jorge Escobar
Jorge there's an advantage too towards distributing yourself across multiple sites, it makes you resilient to failure. A wave is centralized in the federated service provider. If it's gone, if it fails, if it doesn't scale, you are effectively dead. It also discourages innovation at the service layer and makes innovation only possible at the UI layer and making robots. FF innovates because it controls the stack. When your data is elsewhere their ability to innovate goes way down.
- Todd Hoff
Jorge: You could not be more correct about the wave than in your last comment! Yes this discussion would be so much more in a Wave.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from PeopleBrowsr
@Rob, so then, it *is* a social media application or can be used for such, right? ::wink, wink::
- Jorge Escobar
Todd: You seem to contradict yourself in that statement. Certainly FriendFeed discussion is more centralized than wave discussion. The wavelets exist on every server that has a participant. Want multiple copies of the wave(let) add "multiple yous" from multiple wave providers. FriendFeed doesn't encourage nearly as much innovation as the wave model. There's just the one set of API calls...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from PeopleBrowsr
"You seem to contradict yourself in that statement" both sides of my brain battle for the keyboard so this happens sometimes :-) They key is: "The federation case works just like the single server case because, for a given wavelet, a single designated “authoritative” server (identified by the domain part of the wavelet id) hosts the wavelet and operates as server. All the other servers act as dumb proxies, they just forward the operations between their clients and the authoritative server."
- Todd Hoff
The way you got most of the replies to your blog post via Friendfeed is already a bit "wave like," isn't it. Since Google Wave is a protocol and open source, you can be sure that its state-of-the-art implementation will be adapted to what people actually need. By the way: The first email was sent on the earl ARPANET in 1969 (according -- not to the Google guys -- but according to...
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- John W. Furst
Great observations John! I wish this thread was on Google Wave indeed, so that this comment appeared at the same time in my blog, FriendFeed, Facebook and Twitter at the same time! :)
- Jorge Escobar
I just learned something new. I was able to correct my embarrassing typing errors here on Friendfeed. Wow. A pre-wave experience. I wonder, if "spelli" would have caught those typos right away. We'll see.
- John W. Furst
But think of all those emails you sent with embarrassing typos that you couldn't correct.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Adoption of the Wave in the workplace is something I've been struggling to comprehend since I've seen the announcement and product demo. In my experience, our "work" conversations are much more controlled than our "friend/social" conversations". Work conversations are much more structured and based on inherent organizational processes and hierarchies. Aside from using this in the...
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- Todd Weidman
Those of you that DONT think Wave will be revolutionary are whacked. and I'm no google fan-boy. Obviously not for everyone - I don't think corporate will dive into this early on - but for friends and groups I see it blowing up in a big (good) way. the fact that it's open source is key - I think the product in one year will be much, much more than it is now. Even still, the ability to...
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- david pavlicko
Well I certainly joined this late (and as an outsider), but I just want to give my two cents to this incredibly insightful thread. Todd, your last comment gave me an idea (and I'm compiling all of my ideas into a Google Doc to have at the ready for later). What if there was a simple way to set up a Wave server of your own with setting presets, one of which could be for businesses and...
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This jumped out at me too - "I'm a bit afraid of Google Wave scalability. Persistent queues are used in federation gateways. This may mean too much state to maintain, too much I/O operations, too much context switches in implementation" The global architecture is federated but the backend will have to be too in order to handle millions of users conversing.
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