Before, the new retweet would not appear in your FF stream as you were simply a parasite on someone else's tweet. Now it comes over like an old school one.
- Aron Michalski
from BuddyFeed
Is this 'they' as in friendfeed? i'm guessing yes
- Chris Heath
Not sure. When the new Twitter retweet function showed up, it didn't make the round trip to FF like regular posts because it wasn't seen as an original post from your twitter account, just a hit on the original post. Now, perhaps because of the changing of the Firehose feed from Twitter to FF, it appears to be showing up in the FF stream like everything else. Either Twitter fixed the original function of the retweet or the new hose did.
- Aron Michalski
i'm betting it has to do with code on FF's side (using the new API calls as you noted)
- Chris Heath
Yeah, can't imagine Twitter doing anything to improve anyone else's experience on purpose...
- Aron Michalski
For Christmas I received the Studio Ghibli DVD collection, 12 films from Hayao Miyazaki and the other remarkable film makers that make these remarkable animated films. Allowing myself to be swept into the magic of the stories and the depth of the artwork has been a real gift.
- Aron Michalski
from Bookmarklet
You mean they aren't all the same thing? /ducks
- Alix Whitmire
Come to Poland for the "Big Four" concert this summer and seethe differences/similarities for yourself...
- Aron Michalski
from BuddyFeed
i would go to that big four concert, already seen 3 of them touring together, but throw in metallica (with new bassist) and i'm good to go (thanks for sharing)
- chaz2b
Christmas laundry always gets something. Merry Christmas.
- Warner Crocker
Maybe try putting the phone in a bag of rice for over night (try not to open the bag up during this time). It might--just might work. I dropped my phone in a bucket of water and this trick worked for me.
- Loren Heiny
if it's any comfort, my BB survived the deep blue sea. just took it about a week to dry out, didn't want to charge after that either, but I found workarounds. :)
- Karoli
Can't pull the trigger on $400 for hardware I don't even like remotely. No mobile communications for a while.
- Aron Michalski
Rational, Twitter usage is flattening, people are finally figuring out that Twitter sucks for having a conversation. People though Friendfeed was hard to use, try having to install several software 'crutches' to be able to use Twitter productively without even half the functionality as Freindfeed.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Either this is tounge in cheek or Robert really hasn't gotten over our breakup... Robert, I hope we can still be friends but we have to move on and grow... FriendFeed will always love you, but we need some 'us' time to find out who 'we' are... *cues The Bodygaurd soundtrack*... *walks out into the rain, adjusts collar, walks off down the road*... *fade to black, credits*
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Comment bait. Even Robert can't generate interest these days.
- Russellreno
I agree. Friendfeed is for those who need more from a 2d interface. Until there spatial interface is there, Friendfeed is on top of the pyramid (especially when one knows how to use it best).
- Kirill Bolgarov
Lets hope so ... Miss some of my old peeps :)
- Charlie Anzman
I'm surprised Robert made this statement but I find it very interesting in the change of view and wonder what has changed his mind or if he knows more info.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
The unpredictably erratic Scobot is at it again...
- Ciro
Well, after glancing at his Twitter timeline, he's just making a bunch of joke predictions. I'd like to think that there's some truth in this one though...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Sniffs... Do you smell that? It's what we used to call a troll. Robert is getting dangerously close to becoming irrelevent.
- Jason Williams
from iPhone
Robert is waiting until 2010 to respond to this thread. :)
- Louis Gray
Scoble - I disagree ONLY because I think that FriendFeed activity is already migrating to Facebook via deeper integration over there but I'm wiling to hear you out (as are the other 40+ people commenting here). Do share why you think this is true?
- Aaron Strout
I wrote this tweet for Twitter, not for FriendFeed. But nice to see you all! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Jason: I'm definitely irrelevant if the people calling me irrelevant don't even have 1,000 subscribers. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
I actually see FriendFeed growing instead of slowing and there will also be new enhancements. A testing ground for Facebook. Just to expand, Robert's still the man!
- amarquart
Akiva wins the internets with this mathematical formula for spotting comment bait.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
You think we're fighting, I think we're finally talking! -all in one page
- Tim Jones
Funny, when I write, I write for everyone, everywhere
- Johnny Worthington
@Jason Williams, wow that's the pot calling the kettle black, doncha think? Robert's not a troll.
- Jason Huebel
@Kol, somebody mentioned that those stats often only consider US visitors (why that would be, I don't know). FF's non-US contingent has grown tremendously, so that graph may not show the whole picture.
- Jason Huebel
I'm finding that FriendFeed is fiendishly sticky. On Twitter lists do help, they make twitter better and all but but but-but I think a lot of users are getting more sophisticated in their web usage faster than Twitter can evolve their tech. Louis Grey recently postulated that even if there is no interaction on FriendFeed it makes complete sense to stay riding this horse. That got me...
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- JSLeFanu
Dude..... I totally hope you're right, but not too sure about this! LOL Explain your rationale please :)
- Susan Beebe
i agree with the original prediction. by the way, what's a resurgence? is it different than insurgents? :-)
- Morgan Haley
Morgan - the insurgents never left ... ;-p
- Robyn Hawk
I'll stay one faithful user, for those "outside the US" stats. Still feature plenty, still enjoyable. Still effective. Thanks for rallying the troops again Robert. Bring the hopes, and forget the ropes! 8)
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
I like this whole thread. ++Akiva, Johnny, JSLeFanu, Jason Heubel, Mike Chelen . . . Robert, Twitter may have geeks and famous people, but you can actually do things here. Oh, wait - I'm not here. I'm in a widget on a blog in someone's Posterous whom I don't even know, that I'm searching through to find FF peeps to subscribe to over here. Now, that's just mind-blowing!
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
Hey @Friendfeed ; think about this... You ask us to "fix" our connection to FB but some of us want some control between the 2 communities. How about a switch like the Twitter one for posting?
The two services have an overlap but not everything I post here I want on Facebook. I'd be more likely to allow some of my stream to head over there if I could control it. Otherwise the switch is gonna stay flicked off. The community over there doesn't care for some of my noise and I would like some granularity.
- Aron Michalski
^ Which is how they want it to be. Gotta agree with Karoli.
- Self Deprecate Humor
My family and friends on Facebook couldn't care less what I think about Attention Metadata and Twitter APIs. However, you guys probably don't mind putting up with that Procal Harum video I linked to on Facebook last month. ; )
- Matt Terenzio
Same here. printer is in Providence, hope they beat out the storm.
- Aron Michalski
from BuddyFeed
I'm not so on fire for 12/24 delivery. If they get there eventually, I'm OK. I'm also fine with getting or giving an IOU for a present that was ordered but won't be there on time. Don't pay more then the cost of the item with super-fast shipping, just give it to me on the 28th or whenever. Life is too short to sweat this stuff.
- Dave Slusher
Can you put them in the overhead compartment? Not sure on airline policy or PTA guidelines.
- Aron Michalski
from fftogo
depends on whether they fit the carry-on dimensions. :)
- Karoli
The first time I flew without my children I was both thrilled to be alone and upset I couldn't board first. It was so ingrained that when they called for people with small kids, I got up and stood in line. With everyone staring at me.
- Admiral Anika
Being child-free, I have become dependant on elite status for early boarding. Earlier this year I missed status by 600 miles and they were kind enough to offer to give it back for around $500. Honestly, between being able to have a space to put your carry on and not having to pay for checked luggage EVERY time you fly, the price is absorbed quickly. Soon service, responses to questions, seatbelts and perhaps oxygen will be premium services.
- Aron Michalski
from BuddyFeed
Yes, very much. A cold , rainy afternoon in San Francisco made warm by good food and real time conversation with little or no latency.
- Aron Michalski
Yes, excellent conversation ranging across music, technology, comedy and where they all become one.
- Cliff Gerrish
from iPhone
Hell yes it is! All the fine dudes and finest bitches still be rocking the Casbah daily and nightly here on the station with it all! K-FFD!
- Morgan Haley
Still alive but the momentum and will to live is gone -- and the sale and virtual abandonment was like shutting out the lights in the middle of a party -- a signal for everybody to go home.
- Brian Sullivan
The Google real-time announcement certainly didn't hurt!!!!
- Charlie Anzman
Honestly, it's not that much different -- plenty to chat about, and plenty to chat with -- and it's still storing all my web finds perfectly. There's an extremely considerate and passionate community. So... sure!
- Christopher Galtenberg
It is to me - it all depends on what you make of it
- Jesse Stay
Who is here is replying "yes". Who's not here any more just won't reply. The fact is few weeks ago you wouldn't have asked :) [ah, this means it is not kicking as in the past]
- Markingegno - Donato
from Android
I would say yes. It had a slump period for me for a couple of months, but now I'm putting more in it and getting more from it in return.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Tricky question. Nothing else out there has this feature-set, and AFAIC that's the killer, I use FF because it's the best platform. Maybe some people drifting away since the sale, but OTOH there are new people joining. My buddies Nat and Brent from Calgary both joined around the time of the sale and have both really gotten into it. I have more discussions here than on Twitter, and I think that's true for a lot of people.
- Louis Simoneau
And @Scoble: the fact that you don't get 12 000+ followers on FF makes it less attractive to social media marketing types, which actually makes it BETTER as a platform for meeting and interacting with real people. I have 'friends' on Twitter that I've back-and-forthed with a few times but couldn't really tell you much about, whereas here, I feel like I really KNOW people like Derrick, Jandy, Monique, etc.
- Louis Simoneau
Only to some hardcore dedicated FF'ers. Other then that its just here for Robert Scoble to come on and preach how every worthy tech person he follows is on Twitter and how this site is dead.
- CW™
And regarding Robert's statement, OF COURSE a founder of Google will get thousands people who click the follow button. Then what? I look forward to Eric having 12,000 individual conversations this week, so someone ping me when that happens :) I've gleaned more valuable insights into the thought process and perspective of Google/Googlers from being in and around the conversations started by DeWitt on Friendfeed than I have in any other way.
- Micah Wittman
I have to excuse myself for not being very active for quite a while: I was being busy organising the Dutch Bloggies. I do think FriendFeed is still alive, but I sure wished there were more Dutch people to keep up a conversation with. It's making it difficult, now I'm out of organising for a week, to start up being involved again. I'm jealous at the Egyptian & Italian people, who seem to have a whole community here.
- Ton Zijp
Friendfeed is immortal, perfect, the best. Friendfeed will never die. ... in fact, the end of behemoths like Facebook and Twitter will be tweeted on Friendfeed.!
- Petr Buben
Just got back into using FF more heavily and find it much more enjoyable to any of the Twitter clients I've found. I can actually engage with the people that I "follow" and learn more about them and find interests instead of just trying to separate the wheat from the chaff like I feel I do on Twitter
- Ian Rudy
Am I the only one who got tired of responding to posts that ask if the site is still alive? "Charlie, you there? Can you hear me now? Can you hear me now? Can you here me *now*?....I gave up on 'em after Scoble's 2nd one. Just ignore
- Itachi
"The following script takes the 50 top artists in your musical profile from Last.fm, and finds the collection of top 20 similar artists (where the artist itself is the #1 most similar artist) for this top 50. The resulting is a list of artists similar to your preferred artists. As the list is larger (maximum = 1000), your musical preference is more diverse. As a result, with this test it is harder to get a high score, as compared to the original eclectic test. And because this score goes up to 1000 (and not to confuse it with the orginal "eclectic score"), this test is the "super-eclectic" test! As this number is larger, you have a more eclectic musical preference. People with scores over 700 have bragging rights. People whose score is below 400 should consider more musical styles!"
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
i set up last.fm but used it once that i remember since i find pandora a much better experience (i scored a 4!) http://www.last.fm/user... check you my bands and decide how eclectic my tastes are for yourself, don't lean on the crutch of some program or script to do it for you ! haha ;-)
- Chris Heath
Exactly. It lands on the President's desk as tax/budget reconciliation, with major reforms stripped to get it thru. What concerns me is the newest press meme; that is, that health care reform is a very unpopular thing, that jobs are all that matter. Of course, they don't think far enough to figure out that jobs/health ins. are inextricably entwined...that would require...oh, third grade level thought.
- Karoli
I didn't know how it works. This is a pretty good explanation for newbies The “reconciliation” process is a fast-track process that originally was used to facilitate the passage of deficit-reduction legislation. The process was intended to protect hard-to-pass legislation that would reduce entitlement expenditures or raise taxes from a filibuster in the Senate, and thereby to ensure...
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- Linda
It's the part when the gaming element comes into place, where the whispers from the masters become amendments and the gains become status quo. Every effort to make it a hollowed out effort stuffed with currencied fluff to feed the pigs who stock the PACs and lobbies with the politicians fodder, the debt called in, the deed done.
- Aron Michalski
Aron, your pessimism is...refreshing somehow. I see I need to amplify my 9/5/09 summary of the strategic plan discussed w/congressional progressives back in September....
- Karoli
Not refreshing, actually... Invigorating. ;-)
- Karoli
The swiftboating attack is fairly basic: you have to choose between jobs and healthcare. (Although the attackers don't really have any interest in job creation).
- Cliff Gerrish
To defeat the trough riders is a goal worth embracing.
- Aron Michalski
from fftogo
Jobs are not an issue to those who never have to look for work, never have to worry about paying a hospital bill or housing their family. The people it comes down to in the Senate don't have a personal stake in the issue; they deal with it either in the abstract or even sadder, as a party line article to defend like a goal line on a Thanksgiving football game.
- Aron Michalski
from fftogo
Well, that's the problem, of course. For conservatives, jobs are simply the talking point of the day. For liberals, they're a major political headache. For businesses, they're the stick and the carrot. For people, they're survival.
- Karoli
Amazing that a thing that we moan about, fear losing, depend upon and sometimes wish we didn't have can be so many things to everyone else.
- Aron Michalski
from fftogo
During the debate on Saturday, a Democratic Senator said this: "Losing your job means losing your self-esteem, and your health insurance." I was amazed at how viscerally I reacted to that. It just cut to the heart of everything.
- Karoli
It sure does mean that. Even when it's an entire plant closure, your self-esteem takes a big hit. And healthcare - that's even scarier. 'Cause right when you're out of income, you get hit with additional costs. Brilliant system.
- Robert Blum
Carlos Gil Watching the Obama Jobs Summit on Facebook right now, the key to job creation is to hold companies that received stimulus money accountable for job creation / loss. Create a "community reinvestment act" and provide tax breaks for those companies that create / retain a certain # of jobs per year. SAW THIS POST ANDTHOUGHT YOU MIGHT LIKE IT. LINDA
- Linda
To be clear, Twitter has made available a realtime replacement for the firehose (the replacement is called "birddog"). We have not yet started consuming that new API because we're waiting for the lawyers to come to agreement on the terms of use, which I hope will happen soon. I think Twitter's legal team is simply overbooked at the moment. Edit: To reiterate, Twitter is not blocking us. The reason we are not consuming the new API is because the fb lawyers want to review the updated terms first.
- Paul Buchheit
thanks for the update, Paul. Perhaps the open community can donate some lawyers to help Twitter out.
- Steve Gillmor
Paul - very interesting... saga continues :)
- Susan Beebe
lord knows we've got lots of lawyers...and I'm sure more than a few are unemployed right now. Perhaps one will step up.
- Karoli
Paul, do you know if any 3rd party has BirdDog implemented?
- Cliff Gerrish
wonder who will get BD up and running 1st...
- Susan Beebe
Cliff, "birddog" is just a category of statuses/filter, which is available publicly (see http://apiwiki.twitter.com/Streami...). I don't know if anyone is using the birddog role or not. It's available to us and ready to go, but fb lawyers want the tou resolved before we activate it.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul - "tou" typo for "TOS" (terms of service) right?
- Susan Beebe
Terms Of Use, Susan, but the two are about the same I think.
- Paul Buchheit
Maybe I'm mis-parsing things, but it sounds like Twitter's just offering the updates of FriendFeed users rather than the complete Twitter firehose. (see http://friendfeed.com/evhead...) If that's the case, I'm a little confused about what's holding things up. I can see how resolving rights to third party tweets might be problematic, but if FriendFeed's only being fed updates "owned" by FriendFeed users, what's the hold up?
- Ken Sheppardson
What Twitter offers anyone who needs a lot of user updates (but they don't want to give the firehose) is a streaming feed that you send to it a list of userid's (with a max # per stream.) Then Twitter will send back all updates on that stream for any userid in the list. Not exactly the firehose but it is actually very useful for most client use-cases.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Ken, that's right, it's just a different api. The holdup is due to the fact that the fb lawyers want to review the updated terms before we start using the new api.
- Paul Buchheit
So the 'internet' is now in the hands of lawyers, not engineers. We're doomed!
- zeroinfluencer
The positive thing I get from this (be it wishful thinking) is that fb is dedicating resources to having this resolved. If FriendFeed is just a floundering fish out of water, waiting to die, why would they engage lawyers... Very interesting...
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
hear hear Johnny. Zucker is a serious player.
- Thomas Power
Johnny: Why dedicate resources? So Facebook can have the full stream too? If not now, then down the road as bits of Friendfeed appear on FB or in the dev platform?
- Amyloo
Not to get all argumentative and start throwing around the D-word, Johnny, but Facebook would really need to address this independently of whether the FriendFeed servers stay on. As Amyloo mentioned, this is an issue if they ever intend to use the new Twitter API to feed Facebook proper.
- Ken Sheppardson
"5.ii.c - No Conflicting Uses. ... Except with the prior written consent of Twitter, you may not engage, directly or indirectly, in any business activity, if such business activity conflicts with, or places you in a conflicting position to that of Twitter or the Twitter Service, or is specifically intended to purposefully divert and/or drive audience traffic away from the Twitter Service..."
- Ken Sheppardson
....seems to me that would be problematic for Facebook as a legal entity to agree to.
- Ken Sheppardson
So you can get a feed of Twitter, but it better not be Better then twitter.
- CW™
Ken, if Facebook doesn't have short-term plans to use birddog in their big product, it doesn't make a lot of sense to sic lawyers on the tou right now. Those terms can change. For them to invest resources *right now* on the issue makes me think they care about their little product.
- Bruce Lewis
On the flip side, Bruce, one might argue that if they really cared about it they would have dealt with it by now. I don't recall when the old Twitter -> FriendFeed link started to lag, but it's been more than three months since FriendFeed became part of Facebook.
- Ken Sheppardson
Do we agree that Facebook cares more about FriendFeed than the "FF is dead" crowd thinks, but cares less about FriendFeed than we die-hard fans would like it to? If I had my way they would start migrating their userbase over here as fast as the servers could take it.
- Bruce Lewis
Almost, Bruce, but while I've been talked back off the d-word ledge, I think Facebook cares much more about FriendFeed *technology* than the site as a destination. I'll believe they care about it as a stand-alone UX when I hear somebody at Facebook who wasn't a FF employee mention it by name in public. I won't go so far as to ask that they suggest people sign up for the service... just acknowledge that it continues to exist.
- Ken Sheppardson