+102 for Bill Waterson references in picture Kevin or words Sinterclas
- Steve C
cute but what happened to festivus this year?
- Laura Norvig
Merry Christmas to the FriendFeed team. You guys rock! FriendFeed reacts quickly and you're adding wonderful features all the time (Thanks soooo much for the "edit" feature.)
- Mitchell Tsai
Happy Holidays FF crue -- you've made this an excellent and memorable year for many of us. Facebook couldn't have done it without you! :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
w00t you gave me the best online year in 15 years!!! ;p Thanks a lot, everyone, for what you've done here XD
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Sigh. Sometimes it is the little touches, like seasonal logos or easter eggs, that mark a site as a living project, and that you really miss when the developers have all moved on to something else.
- Michael R. Bernstein
"In the event you're stopped by overzealous law enforcement or security officials attempting to enforce fictitious laws, I've designed these fictitious and official-looking Photographer's Licenses."
- Gabe
from Bookmarklet
I think I'll make a version of this that substitutes a more generic and less agency-specific term, such as "United States Constitution". And I think it's okay to use the great seal, as it pertains to our country more than to any particular agency: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Kevin Fox
Perhaps "Bearer is authorized by Federal Law to operate photographic or videographic equipment on public lands. Infringing this right is a federal offense."
- Kevin Fox
So unfair that we can't use the Great Seal when referring to rights afforded by federal law. I like to think that the passage of laws implies 'approval by the government' or at least the legislature.
- Kevin Fox
If I deleted my Twitter account would a kitten die? I'm wondering cause more and more of my early adopter friends are moving to other services (I am watching).
Depends on if you can force them onto FriendFeed. Twitter has become a cesspool of spammers and celebrities, which is usually a sign that it's time for people to move on.
- Mike Nayyar
What are the other services that they are switching to?
- Jason
what are the other services? FF? other?
- nrlaskey
Force them? It's not about forcing anyone to do anything, It's about whether you're still getting anything out of the network you're investing your time into.
- Richard A.
No Kittens die. Most people will follow where you lead.
- Russellreno
I'm not there yet, Richard. But I do note that Facebook is getting more interesting to the early adopter types I usually hang out with.
- Robert Scoble
I'll use my mom's argument: "If all your early adopter friends jumped off a cliff, would _you_ jump off a cliff?"
- Nick
Yes, I'd like to know what services too? And don't say FriendFeed :)
- Michael Pilla
Why would you kill off that audience? At least keep it up with a pointer saying you can now be found at X. You know that if you delete the account, in 6 months, some blogger will write a story about how Robert Scoble doesn't get social media because he's not on Twitter and then it'll be the top story on TechMeme for at least a week.
- Mark Trapp
which other other services are attracting the early-adopter crowd, Robert? Anything cool you can share with us?
- Andrew Terry
Sure, no kittens would die. But I continue to find Twitter invaluable and more useful than FriendFeed. However, FaceBook is becoming more useful as a communications and stay-in-touch tool, especially for those with whom I share a relationship of some type.
- Michael Krigsman
I agree with Mike. Once a service has gone mainstream, it's never the same. Good example was SxSW this year. Too many people were using the hash tag for non-related things like "I fed my dog #sxsw" and it jammed up the network, making it hard for people to legitimately find events.
- Allen S.
Nah, not friendfeed, although it's interesting that this comment is getting more engagement here than on Twitter. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Facebook for the win. It is more interesting to me also. Amazing how they did that.
- Russellreno
Michael: Facebook is the one I'm thinking of. It's coming on very strong with the types of people who made Twitter popular.
- Robert Scoble
@Mike, I was thinking the same thing. We are early adopters (ok, some are earlier than me) and we enjoy the close nit friendships created and nurtured through small groups.
- Damond Nollan
I think you should keep your Twitter account to follow the evolution of Twitter into FriendFeed, through all kind of bolt-on services like Twitpic and Twerbose ( http://twerbose.com/ ).
- Meryn Stol
Trapp, because that audience is only interesting if you get it onto a more conversational platform where anyone can make sense of the conversation a month after it happened. Twitter makes that impossible.
- Richard A.
this is the classic age old early adopter twitch, if you were a real early adopter you wouldnt be asking and you'd be gone already.. fear not however, where ever you go, the masses will follow
- Dan Rockwell
Why delete it? To make a statement? Just abandoning it quietly is a better choice.
- Brian Sullivan
Robert; If twitter was alive and well people would be chatting, not retweeting, they would be conversing with more than one tweet per day per person.
- Richard A.
I'm liking Facebook much more since it's a direct FriendFeed copy, but it'll need to go asymmetrical to kill Twitter.
- Steve Isaacs
I agree that Facebook is becoming more interesting. What I'd like though, is a version of Facebook that doesn't allow any of the really stupid applications. I'm sick of getting poked, hit with a pillow, being served fake beers, etc.
- Chrimmus Tad
Dan: I was a big Facebook user right around when the Platform came out. Then I moved to Twitter cause more of the people I liked to talk with were there. Now I notice the flow is headed back to Facebook and I'm not the only one to make that observation.
- Robert Scoble
the day Facebook will share outward their status update, then it may kill everything else around.... i don't think it can yet.
- Yann Ropars
@Robert: I suspect you've inadvertently validated why projects like Yammer and ESME should do well - 'your early adopter friends' says it all - it's about YOUR community, not everyone's.
- Dennis Howlett
Robert: All my real life friends, and all those I trust are on FB, those I don't trust yet are spread to other networks for the moment.
- Richard A.
Robert: I get why you want to make the personal statement, but given your new role at Rackspace I'd say you really have to be everywhere.
- Ken Sheppardson
and, what's motivating your friends to move? Are other services offering features that Twitter lacks, or is it because they consider Twitter to be too mainstream/overcrowded now?
- Andrew Terry
Yann: not yet, but Facebook is moving in that direction.
- Robert Scoble
so long as you tell us where you're moving, LOL.
- Kayce Maisel
Kayce, he wouldn't be moving ;-). He would simply be re-focusing on another service ;-)
- Richard A.
Andrew: everyone has a different answer. Most of them say they must be on Facebook because their normal friends are there, but aren't on Twitter. Facebook is growing far faster (in terms of people) than Twitter is. Just passed 200 million users, while Twitter is at about 10 million.
- Robert Scoble
i think facebook would be more interesting if they made all profiles public, ala twitter. The openness of twitter is really the win. If facebook can do that then I will consider seriously using it.
- akeem adeniji
Richard W, I've been using the realtime view for weeks by now, or for a while anyway, I live in i. When I'm here.
- Richard A.
I think that any process of "flow" between platforms isn't necessarily final, So I say : keep it. You may need to go back.
- Iain Baker
Still a strong believer in Facebook for personal friends/family, Twitter for public engagement/networking. They work together.
- Ian Mikutel
I think microblogging transcends the specific service you happen to be using. The interesting thing about Twitter is that it's a sort of lowest-common-denominator microblogging platform that makes for a good place for all of the various streams to dump into and/or a good starting point to feed into your other services. But focus will gradually shift from the specific service to the microblog stream as a whole.
- Grey Drane
Twitter is mainstream now; usually indicates the demise is forthcoming
- Tom Allinder
Akeem, there's no way I want my FB profile public.
- Richard A.
What specific functions is Facebook enabling/offering now that are you seeing that is attracting the early adopters back & causing you to consider this? Is it much more than the feed & grouping?
- Lyn Graft
Ian: that was Facebook of yesterday. Zuckerberg told me Facebook will have a public engagement piece too. This is very important for brands, celebrities, news organizations (which is where Twitter is getting its hype). But Facebook is far more engaging, especially now that they copied friendfeed's features (albeit not as well) and Twitter's river of noise.
- Robert Scoble
Judy you're one person I would never follow on twitter in that case.
- Richard A.
Scoble, just delete the thing and be done with it! Who cares if you have a place to land... you yourself recently jumped without a net and it turned out okay. Kill it. You'll sleep better at night. And I agree with Tad, fake beers are teh suk!
- Jim: Dead Like FF
I am not so sure. Twitter is exactly good because it produces some noise. Noise good, since it allows one to be creative in filtering the information out. It gives much more room for chance than e.g. Facebook. If one bunkers into their peer groups, inspiration becomes a very hard thing to get by.
- Mark Jacobs
@Richard how am I supposed to find you on facebook and to discuss similar things if we have never met and aren't in the same groups?
- akeem adeniji
Jim: I had to check if a kitten would die first. :-)
- Robert Scoble
do it maan... its da way forward :)
- simran
from twhirl
Robert, the difference is facebook is more like a village in outlook, there's a good chance many of your friends know many of your other friends. It's a much nicer and social community. We have a lot more freedom in what we post there.
- Richard A.
I foresee Twitter usage reverting back to status updates, and the micro-blog moving to services with better conversation and filtering/grouping capabilities (like FriendFeed).
- Daniel Sims
Sounds like a great example of jumping on and off bandwagons as they go by. You can post to Twitter from Facebook and vice versa. With Ping.fm. you can post to all the social networks you belong to and spend as much time in whatever platform you want.
- Paul
I don't know if this matters to you or not, but I found Robert and others through Twitter. I "thought" I was connected and well read in the technology/web industry, but with Twitter (and now FriendFeed) I was introduced to a whole new world with new players. If you go back to Facebook alone, I'm afraid people like me would miss out on good people like you. Fortunately, I've subscribed to a great many of industry leaders' blogs, so I guess you can go anywhere and I would be fine, but there are others who.
- Damond Nollan
I told you twitter managment would kill twitter ;-) :-) happy to see it's turning into a reality slowly. Of course this is only a problem for early adopters.
- Richard A.
Paul: I watch engagement, not posting behavior. If you post a Tweet and no one is on Twitter to listen to it, did it really matter?
- Robert Scoble
Richard: I've been doing online communities since 1984. The normal people ALWAYS follow the early adopters. I can't think of an example where that was not the case. Early adopters used to be on Prodigy. We aren't anymore. Neither is anyone else. Same for CompuServe. Usenet. AOL. Etc. Etc.
- Robert Scoble
...haven't been fortunate enough to meet you. I say, do what you feel is best, but know you take a lot of folks with you.
- Damond Nollan
This is how active twitter conversations would have been at one time, Hundreds of tweets on the topic, and you would have followed back many of these people as a result. It would have helped with meeting new people :-)
- Richard A.
Michael: there isn't yet a good replacement, although Facebook is definitely moving in that direction.
- Robert Scoble
ability to tweak friend lists in FB allows de facto asymmetry - just create a "follow" list to see more of, dump all those you wouldn't follow onto a "view less list," drag and drop the more list to the top so FB defaults to it...
- Todd Randolph
Curiously, there are 5 million comments here on FF, and I saw only 2 @ reply on Twitter...from @JMaultasch and @SashaKane...so far, FF wins as a forum where people participate (as opposed to sell).
- Eric Matas
Todd, advantage of lists on Facebook is you can sort your friends according to geography and how you know them. Makes seeing the most relevant news easier as a result, doesn't mean you pay any less attention.
- Richard A.
Eric: Why do you think I jumped from twitter to here? I came for the community.
- Richard A.
Do you have a list of your early adopter friends?
- Paul Sanchez
Twitter is morphing into many different business models (at an alarming pace) and the twitter feeds will continue to be the lifeblood in these new startups.
- Whip
Why do we need to move on like this was a clubbing scene? I think Twitter has its place in the ecology, so has FriendFeed. I would feel most uncomfortable in relating to people I have not met in person on Facebook mostly. Once we go back there, we may as well call LinkedIn or Xing as the next big thing.
- Mark Jacobs
Robert: Keep one thing in mind, all your twitter friends were imported onto Friendfeed the day you did that sync, as a result everyone is still followed, but on a different platform :-)
- Richard A.
I just retweeted and searched...was the 3rd to retweet. Thought the cat part would grab more attention...
- Eric Matas
Robert: Facebook just doesn't have Twitter's ability to easily sift and find interesting new folks in one's particular area of personal interest. That's what I *NEED* and Twitter does it excellently.
- Michael Krigsman
No kittens would die if @scobleizer swam away from the fail whale.
- Bernie Goldbach
I think your kitten would simply ask for a cheezeburger. While Facebook status is becoming more Twitter like, I've found myself using Twitter much more since the demise of Pownce (deep sigh). In my world though Facebook and Twitter are tools I use to connect with different audiences. FB I use primarily for connecting with real world friends, while Twitter is more about sharing info with Webdev/mktg peers. And I like that Twitter is less cluttered even though we're seeing more new spammy users.
- Heidi Cool
Robert, are you sure about that? Do you really know how many times you have mentioned a service on Twitter or Friendfeed or your blg that didn't result in I or others going to that service to find out what it is all about? Adopting an app that you pointed to (e.g. Twhirl). If your measuring engagement by the number of people that respond directly to a post then you and other early adopters are sorely underestimating your reach.
- Paul
I think Twitter still has quite a bit of use. FriendFeed never seemed to have pick up that kind of attention (though I wish it did - its great for conversations!)
- Colin Charles
from twhirl
I think the problem with friendfeed is with its interface... it's a pita
- Marco
Paul: I know there's quite a bit of engagement on Twitter, but other services are going up while Twitter isn't growing so quickly. I track these things.
- Robert Scoble
You mind sharing a few of the early adopters names :)
- Paul Sanchez
Is this comment bait? :) I don't see any benefit to deleating your Twitter. Would you have chosen to delete your radio blog because you were moving on to wordpress?
- Christian Burns
Robert, Would you please give some examples of services that might be better?
- Andrew Pass
Marc: online communities are a LOT like the clubbing scene and that's exactly why some get more popular and others get less.
- Robert Scoble
If early adopters did start jumping off a cliff, I'd be very interested in the cliff.
- Eolaí gan Fhéile
Marco, only thing missing from Friendfeed is to see when people have commented to something you've said, then it would be much more useful.
- Richard A.
Robert, just wondering: What kind of response do you get on Facebook on questions like these?
- Meryn Stol
Meryn: not as strong because I haven't participated in Facebook for more than a year. I should try.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is much more like an index, without much real / meaningful conversation. Not to say that individual posts aren't meaningful, but they usually lead to real value somewhere else. Friendfeed has much more in-depth conversations. For me, the question is still out there on facebook - it still is mostly a light hearted socializing tool, without much serious value. At least, not yet with the people I know who use it.
- Chris Rogers
Robert, if you move to Facebook I would die, because I'm not in your 5,000. :-(
- Jesse Stay
I agree with Steve, FB would have to go asymmetrical. Only the very tiniest percentage of contacts I have on FB are people I have not interacted with in person face-to-face at some point in my life.
- Andy Kruger
Some of my twitter followers who used to Lifestream in public seem to have moved that function to Facebook... starting in the immediate days following the redesign and the ensuing hubbub.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
I don't think FB is as interesting as Friendfeed. I really do think Friendfeed is the most interesting community to be part of at the moment. It has the potential to build new onlines communities without the hassle of knowing those people in person.
- Richard A.
Like many of the others, I use FB for friends/family. Twitter is where I am getting/sometimes sharing info on tech things that interest me.
- Sherri
Hmm I think it would be quite exciting if the "FriendFeed ethos" would get transferred to Facebook.
- Meryn Stol
Meryn: keep in mind that up to today Facebook is only for discussing stuff with your friends. For me Facebook is capped at 5,000 friends. Facebook's more public entity, though, AKA "Pages," are being expanded and will get more of an equal billing on the social graph. On friendfeed I have 31,000 followers, and this message went to Twitter where I have 76,000 followers. So, that's a LOT more people than I touch on Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
@Chris - Yep! Use Twitter to find the interesting stuff, then follow the tidbit to wherever else it leads in order to discuss it and find the real value in it.
- Grey Drane
Meryn: actually that's EXACTLY why Twitter is getting more hype, but why people who aren't celebrities (IE, don't have more than 5,000 followers, which includes most of my "early adopter" friends) are not feeling the Twitter love so much anymore.
- Robert Scoble
I'm amused at this conversation because none of you are aknowledging friendfeed as a platform. That's where I came when I deleted my twitter account. I was among the 200 most active users of twitter at the time.
- Richard A.
I second what Richard Azia said: "Marco, only thing missing from Friendfeed is to see when people have commented to something you've said, then it would be much more useful."
- Rick Bucich
It's kind of funny -- when you said "early adopter friends" I thought you meant a "new" service. You're just going back to Facebbok because they've added some better features and have gotten a bump of mindshare. Then some other service will evolve their features, etc. and people will go back.... What I think is really important is the recognition that Twitter, FF, etc. aren't really...
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- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Steve "bump in mindshare?" Hah! 200 million users is more than a "bump in mindshare." Twitter actually has gotten a bump in mindshare lately. Everytime I turn on the radio or TV I hear about Twitter, it seems.
- Robert Scoble
Hmm I think it would be a shame if you left FriendFeed. For me it's all about the loose-ties. :) And Twitter, in it's current incarnation (e.g. without a very advanced client, turning it into something similar to FF) just doesn't work if you want to discuss anything but the simplest things.
- Meryn Stol
I hear about twitter a lot more but I don't see anyone using it anymore? Are there any signs that people are still reading tweets, rather than just posting?
- Richard A.
for an early adopter, a site /technology become's stale within 6-9 months.. the hype and fun is finito.. as such I was active from feb/07 .. I think I was the 300th odd person on twitter and by OCt/08.. I hardly use twitter.. yes early adopters keep moving on.. thats why they are called "early adopters" :)-
- Peter Dawson
Mohamed: Heheh. Even if you have thousands of friends you can't publish to the public (ie, Google can't index your facebook stuff). That's one reason why Twitter and friendfeed are more interesting.
- Robert Scoble
If a person uses Twitter because they want people to follow and pay them attention, I could care less. Twitter continues to be a useful micro-blogging tool, as long as it is free. If Twitter is fun, I'll use it. If it is just a new way to market shit, and if they start charging for it, I'll be gone. It seems that people are now getting more attention just for leaving Twitter. Good riddance.
- John Johnson
Facebook is trying to be everything. The path from Yearbook to Aggregator-cum-microblogger is long and hard.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
So there is no equivalent to this on FaceBook? http://twitter.com/search... Because that is one of the most interesting things about Twitter. Following subjects is often more interesting than following people.
- Matt Griffith
Let me ask a question back to you. What value would you derive from deleting your Twitter account?
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas: well, I would get a lot less auto DM spam. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Didn't Leo delete his Twitter account at one point?
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas: yeah, he did, then he came back. Hasn't seemed to hurt him, other than he isn't on Twitter's recommended follower list.
- Robert Scoble
But why would less DM spam matter? How would deleting the account provide more value than simply leaving it intact and ignoring it?
- Thomas Hawk
another thing that friendfeed has not: a decent client
- Marco
Thomas, I think he just "left" for awhile and returned when it was clear Jaiku didn't have enough people on it
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Thomas, You can't ignore a twitter account, that's why :-), There's no way you can walk away from a functioning account. Many of us have tried and not quite succeeded more than 8 days.
- Richard A.
I guess my point is why delete the account? Simply ignore it. That way if you decide later on that you want to come back it's still there. You might find that you want it back at some point. At a minimum though you can still direct your FF content there which includes a link back to your conversation here with every tweet. I'd think this would be a good encouragement for people not on FF yet who are on Twitter to find you here.
- Thomas Hawk
that and maybe change your bio I'm mostly participating on FF or Facebook or whatever.
- Thomas Hawk
personally I find FF far, far, more engaging than Facebook. But maybe that's just me.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas I agree wih you, I like FF for that.
- Richard A.
This is one of those threads that's just too big/fast to try to catch up at this point, but instead of being the jerk who comes in and says something that was said early in the thread because they're too lazy/busy to catch up, I'll just demonstrate what you're supposed to do in this situation. *shuts up*
- Matthew DeVries
Twitter is becoming mainstream, even in such backwards countries as Ukraine. For a true geek, it is a sure sign to get out of here! However, for me it is still interesting for the dynamics of signal/noise ratio within system.
- Pavlo Zahozhenko
Yeah, but to your point, you can't talk to the public and a lot more people will follow you on Twitter that will never friend you on Facebook. I'm speaking generally, here.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
This really is just an intellectual exercise, right? How can you be talking about all this Building43 stuff and promoting "social media" then turn around and talk about disappearing from the "social media" service with more MSM press/attention than any other right now?
- Ken Sheppardson
What would YOU gain from deleting it? is it more than you would gain from keeping it? You use Twitter in your own way which is most likely vastly different than anyone else who uses it, but that doesn't matter, it's up to you to decide how to use it and how to gain value out of it. It is a tool. Whether or not you want to delete it should be based on what YOU think in terms of value, not others.
- Ivan Lukianchuk
Ken: It's April 1, take that in mind. Yes, it's just an intellectual exercise, although I was dreaming about it last night so at least part of me wants to do it. Building43 is for people fanatical about the Internet, not going to be about any one thing or even just about social media.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: April 1 is Wednesday. You going to keep this up for three days? :-O
- Ken Sheppardson
Within two months your account will be deleted. There's a chance. If you think about it then it's not just a thought, there's a reason there, somewhere.
- Richard A.
Ivan: overall I would probably lose more than I'd gain, but I've learned in life that you must destroy before you can build. When Vegas builds a new casino they tear down the old one first. The trick is to know when the right time is to tear down the old one. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Azia, you are using the "royal we" or you are talking about an undefined group... and I personally wouldn't make such over-generalizations even with a :-)
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
in this atmosphere of many super-user account, a simple account is useless.
- abdellah
Steve: unlimited friends are coming to Facebook "soon." (We already have them on Pages).
- Robert Scoble
Besides, Twitter is a lot easier to use and more open... and there's no application spam. I hate app spam.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Yeah, but there's still a signal-to-noise problem. FB wants to be your social presence on the Web. People don't want an unsuable presence on the Web. They want to see what parties their friends are having and what their high school ex-girlfriend is up to. As a richer social medium, Facebook is much more vulnerable to Dunbar-number-type limitations for the average user. When someone...
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- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Does anyone know the mean or median number of friends for FB users?
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
It's interesting, but as a non-blogging, earlier-than-early-adopter-burnout, FB feels like AOL to me in an uncomfortable way. In spite of that creepy feeling, it seems to be where I get the most engagement for the least amount of effort. Of course, my FB circle is a tight one of 99% friends from over the past 30 yrs. Seems I only glance at Twitter & interact more deliberately on FF. FB is pointing out I seem to have less in common with my friends & I'm less friendly with common-interest acquaintances.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Twitter is "mainstream" with 10 million users, but Facebook with 200 million isn't? FB is a mess and whenever I log on I start getting real-time chat requests from people I haven't talked to in 10 years. I find Twitter to be a superior experience so far.
- Pete Smith
It's been interesting to watch the evolution of Twitter. Sadly now there is a tremendously large amount of noise covering up the best signal. Even worse, the changes that have occurred to Twitter as a result of the flood of people from the masses has been painful. I much prefer the Twitter of circa June 2008 and just prior when there was more functionality (a la track) and better discussion. In fact I much prefer seeing the fail whale than seeing Britney Spears occupying such a large mind-share there.
- Chris Aldrich
+1000 to chris kim a. FB feels like AOL to me - tons of spam, tons of intimate minutia, very little engaging content. I DON'T WANT YOUR PLANTS. It feels like work and doesn't relate to anything outside of itself. FF offers engaging, substantive conversations sprinkled with LOLCats. Twitter offers bite-sized entertainment, and (some) real-time interaction that doesn't have to involve a chat client. I prefer the latter two and consume most of my content there.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Facebook is a student community where the students have graduated as a result of which more options are now offered. When are people going to remember that fact?
- Richard A.
@Richard_Azia: I've always been clear on that point, which is part of what makes it so disturbing. Finally, my RL friends (now the parents of the original target FB audience) -- but to my horror, they have regressed into Super-Poking, Green-Patching Hippie-Gifters. Look, if you can SuperPoke me, then you can post a "hey how are you?" to my In box or wall. Frankly, I don't find the games of FB particularly engaging as a 21st-Century version of pigtails in inkwells, either.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Chris Kim, that's why I ignore all requests. Much easier to ignore them than to reject them. Luckily those I know hardly spend any time doing all those things.
- Richard A.
If you deleted your account what would happen to the scobleizer name. Could someone else claim it? Or is once a name used on Twitter it is forever off the table? If you changed your mind later could you get the scobleizer handle back?
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas: I don't know. I won't delete it, though. It was mostly a fantasy I was having last night. See, normal people dream of supermodels or getting a cool car. Me? I dream of deleting my Twitter account. :-)
- Robert Scoble
@Scobleizer "But I do note that Facebook is getting more interesting to the early adopter types I usually hang out with" I would say "for Internet newbies" LOL Green Houses (Walled Gardens) are usually better for a start - no scary wolfs like in Green Forrest ROFL :D
- Lora Lufark
I refuse to believe true early adopters are all-of-a-sudden enamored with Facebook because they copied a few things from Twitter and Friendfeed...then again...
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
And here we are, the very reason I continue to hold that FF is my favorite engagement tool. These comment-baiting discussions naturally epitomize the value of eating one's own dog food while also pointing out that there are more dishes at this potluck than the one you bring yourself.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Offer your account on eBay and see who bids. Then sell them something else.
- Louis Gray
Never delete a well-known account. If you were to delete the Twitter account, then some offshore porn gambling site would grab the @scobleizer name. That having been said, Twitter is seeming to become a "must have" thing, so even if you don't use it, you need to establish a presence there.
- John E. Bredehoft
I just don't see the what Twitter gives you when you have FriendFeed.
- TranceMist
TranceMist - With all of the recent news coverage of Twitter, a lot of people are on Twitter who haven't yet learned about FriendFeed and they will ask the opposite question that you just asked.
- Aaron Hood
If Scoble deleted his twitter account it must be the results of Global Warming
- rob friedman
from twhirl
I don't see why you'd delete it rather than just not tweet, other than a very visible snub to the Twitter guys, right?
- jjprojects
I doubt that Twitter would miss you, though your ego obviously tells you otherwise.
- Stan Scott
Seriously? You guys just realized that Facebook is interesting? I've looked up to you... I had no idea I was already ahead.
- Jaica Kinsman
Robert - I've made the same conclusion as you re: Facebook gaining popularity fast with early adopters like myself, who by the way are not able to connect with you on facebook due to 5K cap. Don't delete twitter, just move to where you prefer to engage your communities.
- Susan Beebe
Facebook is the new AOL. I am using Facebook more often to stay connected with Mom and the family, but I would not replace twitter with it. no way.
- Karoli
from BuddyFeed
Maybe early adopters are spending time on Facebook to try to figure out its appeal. I think they'll conclude it's just network effects and empty virality, then leave again.
- Bruce Lewis
You actually still use both? I thought you'd moved exclusively to FriendFeed... Who cares about Twitter anymore? IT SUCKS!
- LarchOye
Experiment: If I say "SEO" or "peanut butter" in this FriendFeed post, let's see how long it takes Jiffy peanut butter company or their "SEO Expert" to subscribe to my FriendFeed to try and sell me something. Ready, set, go! (I like twitter, but it's becoming a drag because the marketing spam is now so damn predictable.)
- TheMacMommy
Is there a Mac solution yet for porting our twitter buds (the ones we actually want to follow) into FriendFeed? I was looking but gave up on it for a little while. Anyone know the scoop on that? I'll admit, I'm lazy. I want a script to do it for me. on the Mac.
- TheMacMommy
I really hope you don't start to use Facebook instead of Twitter. I don't like Facebook at all..
- Peter
Facebook first movers are migrating to twitter. So there is nothing unnatural in this. People move back and forth all the time. The grass is always greener on the other side etc etc...
- Dennis Bjørn Petersen
from twhirl
I entered twitter late and realize friendfeed is mindcastier than twitter...
- Arunn
Robert, Why don't you just increase your activity on Facebook and decrease it on Twitter and then if Facebook is alot better then Twitter then fully convert and if not, you've still got 19k updates and 77k followers ;)
- Nicholas James
You can install (or ask a coder to develop) a Facebook App that sends your status updates (and shared links, etc.) to Twitter. You have a history with getting your data out of Facebook, but I guess Zuckerberg now knows you better. This is what most brands do: they make the effort to be everywhere, to suit they many followers. Or you can re-use Jaiku recently opened source (+ App Engine) to make the micro-blogging platform or your dreams.
- Bertil Hatt
Interesting thread. I can see why Robert is saying Facebook. It has been the place that I gave received the most interaction these past few months. True that, I am just a wee one and most of my FB friends are real world friends. :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
information overload.... my nose is bleeding,...shutdown imminent 3....2........1....... (no kitten would die, btw)
- ilter
Twitter is useful, though FriendFeed appears to be more so.
- Calvin Ayre
I love that you can edit any type of entry, even tweets.
- Mark Trapp
oooh that is cool, didn't know that!
- Susan Beebe
I want access to wiki-like comment history for these here ramblings.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Forget that, Brian. I think everyone needs to accept the risk that commenting on my stuff could lead you to be discussing various kinds of cheese in a non sequitur way.
- Mark Trapp
historical archives / versioning would be coool! but the DATA omg... yikes
- Susan Beebe
Ha, we're just watching Milo and Otis today. Does your Milo look like that Milo? (Orange tabby).
- Laura Norvig
Laura, No Milo is a black long haired kitten but still totally mischief. Also, for those who have followed me, Milo is the kitten formally known as Boo (seen here: http://friendfeed.com/e...)! Cy and Athena (our best friends next door) adopted him and we steal him when they are out for the day so he can play with our cats and give their other cat a break.
- Rachel Lea Fox
Did they leave those things up on the poles? I guess so, there is no compelling reason to take them down and no salvage value to speak of.
- DGentry
I had one of those. Downloaded betas of Windows 95 several times on one.
- Robert Scoble
I had one for my Newton MessagePad. Never used it that much. Did think a lot about apps that I could build for them.
- scott anderson
Metricom made no provisions for taking their equipment down when they secured the mounting rights for their network. Thus, when they went belly up, there was no budget to yank their old equipment. Cities around the country learned their lesson. Now, pretty much every pole attachment agreement you encounter will include a "Metricom/Ricochet" clause that requires the radio removal to be ensured by a bond.
- Christopher Sacca
Memories... I remember when they first started...
- Mitchell Tsai
I still have my old Ricochet modem. There was talk among city services types here in SF that it might come back as a utility - since the city now owned all the equipment. Fortunately they figured out that municipal wifi is smarter. Still hope it happens.
- Hillary Hartley
back then you'd tell people "wireless internet, it's the future!" and they'd just look at you funny.
- Karim
I had a repeater on my roof and got free service.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
96kbps and all the Hamster Dance you could stand. Thems were the days.
- Leo Laporte
Brings back memories of my dual twisted pair 56kbps ISDN lines from USWest. Circa 1997
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Leo, I believe it's spelt "Hampster Dance" :-D
- Karim
Leo: 96kbps? On my Ricochet I was happy to get something close to 19kbps. Usually I only got 12.
- Robert Scoble
I remember driving to work with my laptop on the passenger side, sending IRC messages saying "I'm chatting in the car!!!" while at stop signs. Probably one of the dumber things I've done, but I was in awe of such a cool device :)
- Patrick Lightbody
cradlepoint + verizon 3G evdo card = personal mobile wifi cloud. very powerful.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Still have my Ricochet USB modem! Ah, the memories. :) (I have a Sprint card now)
- Erica Douglass
Scoble: The second version of their service, which they had rolled out to limited service areas by the time they died, had a theoretical bandwidth of up to 128kbps or something like that.
- ⓞnor
I had Ricochet service back in ~2000-2001. I used it on my laptop as well as my pocket PC. It was great at the time, and I was so disappointed when they went belly up. I was getting 200-300 kbps download speeds, which was pretty good at the time. I drove from Foster City to San Jose once with my pocket PC connected the whole time just to prove I could...
- Jeff P. Henderson
Ricochet is why I never connected to the internet on a dial-up modem. When I was young, I only had internet access at work or school, where we had a fast connection. Later, I had internet access with a cable modem. In between, when everyone else used dial-up, I used Ricochet.
- Amit Patel
This technology should be reused rather than taken down. However, I'm sure there's lots of legal stuff that needs to be cleared before that happens...
- Franklin Naval
I loved Ricochet service, but the lesson I learned from Metricom failure was much more valuable. I got an access to a certain insider report proving Metricom will never reach profitability for one simple reason - Ricochet network would collapse before the number of users could make it profitable. Sure thing, one would use this insider info to profit by shorting the stock, right? Of course the stock eventually reached zero. The only problem was that on it's way from $40 to zero it touched $200. He-he.
- ǝuǝƃnǝ
The best part was the little beeps it made when it connected.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
I think I still have my Ricochet modem somewhere. And I still have the T-shirt & baseball cap.
- Tim Chemacki
Congratulations, Susan :-) Seems to me there is a tail, the only thing is we're pretty much into the tail before we hit user 50. Here's a plot of the top 50: http://kshep.posterous.com/graph-o...
- Ken Sheppardson
There's a lot of users missing from his set, even considering only active users. For example, Scoble has about 6000 more followers than what his data shows; I'd suspect everyone is missing 30-40% of what he's reporting (for example, the lowest number of subscribers on his list is 264; I have over 300 and am not on the list). That and the fact that the barrier to entry into the top 250 is so low makes me believe there's a systemic problem in his research.
- Mark Trapp
i once thought FF was going to take over but if it doesn't go more mainstream fast, they will stagnate
- Donovan Slennon
Donovan, I agree, this could be the nice little business problem--or they can start marketing and ramp up acquisition to hit the next level.
- susan mernit
This list idea is awesome! Unfortunately, everyone's stats on this list are outdated. For example, I have nearly 500 followers so really should be in top 100...not 134 (close though). I hope the author makes this list dynamic so it has current numbers.
- Susan Beebe
"Is FF building a new market or taking people from micro-blogging"....that's the $64K question....also - as Fred Wilson pointed out earlier - what's a FF follower worth as compared to a follower of Twitter, et al?
- Adam Kazwell
Heck, I'd ask for more followers (I would probably be about 500th or lower), but then Scoble would block me ;)
- Vince DeGeorge
I am reported as having 662 but FF tells me I have 952. Seems like a higher than normal margin. If I understand it, those folks are either private or lurkers?
- Christopher Sacca
Nuts that I made this list ... good stuff :)
- Nick O'Neill
a nice list of enemies that must be destroyed. :) just kidding "I'm not here to make friends!"
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
@Sacca, the author's said that they can only crawl active accounts that have published activity. There are likely _a ton_ of accounts that were created, following you for example, that weren't picked up due to inactivity. Mine was off by 25-30% as well. And if you think about it... even the most popular activities here just graze 100 likes or comments, not 2000, so there are a lot of people who don't participate.
- Louis Gray
I'm with Chris, I'm being underreported, private ones?
- MG Siegler
I have 63. I thought I would have made the list.
- Rob Williams
This should be fun to explore new users.
- Mark Krynsky
Darn, just missed. 5 minutes late, that should be my motto.
- Phil G
it's pretty interesting to me, actually, that for being as tiny, tech focused and A-list driven as people say FF is - nobody's got more than 20% of users following them and only 7 people have more than 7% of users following them. That makes me think things are more diverse around here than I thought. No?
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
@Marshall The truth is, small blogs have a bigger voice here than any other social service.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
@kriskrug then I must be a Sucka Playboy! Dont get how I could've make this list, but its a nice bday surpise anyway.
- Schlomo Rabinowitz
Looking at a graph of the top 50 users, the Default Nine effect isn't all that pronounced. The distribution of users looks pretty much like the sort of thing you get when you do any graph of this sort (i.e. a classic long tail) http://kshep.posterous.com/graph-o...
- Ken Sheppardson
i'm yearning for the day that the top 5 are non-techies...that will be a great day for Friendfeed!
- Pokai
I especiallylike Pokai's comment—I'll be happiest when the top users are diverse people, not just "techies."
- Cathryn Hrudicka
The list reports my followers at 255, FF shows me closer to 355, but still cool to be on the list at 209 even if I feel I'm not as active on FF as many, many others, guess I'm still relatively active...
- Shannon Clark
If my stats were reported correctly, I would appear in the top 100 - woo hoo!!
- Susan Beebe
If they published a list of the top 75,000, I'd totally make it. ;)
- Wes Justice
Alas, I've not hit the top 250... ;-)
- Mark Dykeman
this list isn't as useful as a list of top n most interesting people (the people with the most "likes" or top n users with the most comments.)
- Alan Le
I like Alan's idea. That would be fun to know.
- Yolanda
better question: why do you all want to know that stuff? would being a most interesting person on friendfeed be a fulfilling feeling? seems like it wouldn't...
- Jeremy Toeman
seems I am popular - have 292 subs :)
- Mrinal Desai
how about IM for brainstorming? I think it works. Also, IM=instant notifications. And what about SMS? some people broke up or got fired via SMS ;-)
- Davide D'Incau
from fftogo
I think this is also why it's not an either/or proposition between Twitter and FriendFeed. Twitter imo will have broader appeal as a simple way to send one to many messages. FF appeals (perhaps with deeper engagement levels) to those who want to easily carry the conversation/discussion further. Both are great for personal branding -- hence their adoption by the technorati.
- Jason Goldberg
The new skin looks great. The "everyone" tab is pretty useless though, since the signal to noise ratio is so low. Do you have any plans to filter the feed to make it more useful?
- m13a
Pretty. It would be keen if the "share something" button could be somehow tucked away (while still being obvious), it takes up a big wad of vertical...
- ⓞnor
cool guys... when will kevin work his magic and give us a full blown "FriendfReader" ;-) ?
- Rob Hoeting
@John Lam: The regular friends' feed already has items in it that your friends liked or commented on.
- m13a
The prettiness I like. The fact that the tabs are now distributed in 3 different locations I'm not enthusiastic about (friends/me/everyone .... friend settings ... account/sign out). It feels to me like it adds complexity. When I leave the friends tab to find functional detail X, my thought process is something like "where is that pesky X buried again?" It's not like I think of my...
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- j1m
Very nice, love seeing this product evolve while we use it.
- Loren Norman
I think I like the tab distribution. It separates the options and settings away from the main functionality. And it's pretty!
- Christopher Black
=j1m: I think making all your settings reachable from the "me" tab (which could be "my account" or something) would make sense. "Friend settings" is a weird phrase, too. Fortunately FF is simple enough that I can exhaustively search it to find any particular thing.
- ⓞnor
Looks neat. The clickable left-hand icons are non-obvious but I suppose it's not a feature you would want often anyway so I guess that's OK. The blue on top is a nice tone that gives a sense of location and identity around here, it also makes the logo look better and gives a focus on the the minimalist design and color below it. Not sure how often I'll use the "everyone" tab but...
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- Philipp Lenssen
The light blue is also nice for setting off "mechanism" from "content".
- ⓞnor
I love the look but scrolling seems to be really slow and jerky on FriendFeed for some reason now. I'm running Windows XP SP2 with Firefox 2.0.0.12. Is anyone else seeing this?
- Tony Ruscoe
Scrolling OK on Mac OSX 10.5.2 with Safari 3.0.4
- Christopher Black
I like the way when I click on the flickr icon it dynamically creates a flickr tab. Very spiffy.
- j1m
Specifically, it would be nice if I could filter the "everyone" feed so that there are only English items in there. It would also be good if I could specify services not to include in that feed (such as twitter).
- m13a
...and by "English" I meant "English language". (Comment editing doesn't work for me in Opera on OS X.)
- m13a
"Specifically, it would be nice if I could filter the "everyone" feed so that there are only English items in there." Or perhaps everything defined in the browser's language options (http content negotiation).
- Philipp Lenssen
Looks good. Splitting the rss between me and friends would also be goodly. The Share Something could certainly move into the tabs, as well.
- Ashton
Just a thought on the tabs - any chance of an option to make the new tabs that are created (when you click on people, etc.) sticky, so's I can go back to them easily after checking back on my friends tab or whatever?
- Slappy Line
Suddenly this post rises from its grave?
- Brian Sullivan
...and the exclamation point was spotted on a freeway overpass in Mountain View, threatening to jump. Google talked it down.
- Mike Doeff
That leaves an unfortunate combination of letters remaining.
- Scott Ludwig
So YAHOO was an acronym?...combination of founders first names???
- Arjun
from twhirl
Arjun: Yahoo isn't an acronym. It's referring to a type of hominid-creature-thingy in "Gulliver's Travels"
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
The O's left for Google a long time ago
- hunter walk
you can spot them occassionally down at the bottom of the search results goooo*oo*oooogle
- Alex Gawley
Where'd Y and A go? Scoble told me one of those O's is worth about 5billion each! go grab it quick and cash it in (me thinks it is a lottery ticket!)
- Susan Beebe
Congrats, real good choice that I am sure you will enjoy
- Fred Grott
@Louis yeah, I was tempted to mess with people and post pics of myself at FriendFeed and various other places, but decided to come clean. [Note: I still think FriendFeed would be an awesome gig too...]
- Jeremy Zawodny
"Rooms have become incredibly popular since we launched the feature a few weeks ago. Based on your feedback, room administrators can now import sites directly into a room"
- Bret Taylor
Excellent, a great way to get the content of a room going. Nice work.
- AJ Kohn
Great Improvement Bret!!! wow, this could be Bloggers' Central in no time!! woo hoo!
- Susan Beebe
Great addition. Also, how about a way to pipe in search results for one or more queries? I suppose until a more native solution is available, a room admin can simply add a feed for a particular search query and have the results added as entries
- Aviv
What's funny is I was looking for this feature when I created a room earlier and realized it didn't exist. Great minds!!
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
not bad but here's a simple question .. how the hell do I delete a Room. I created one that I thouhgt I would play around with but would like it gone however I don't see any obvious way to delete it
- Steven Hodson
where are we supposed to add the site to the room? It must not be something obvious cuz I don't see it
- John Blanton
from twhirl
JohnB: it is only available for room administrators. Click "Share something" and then "import" or "Edit/add" on the RHS of the page.
- Bret Taylor
so it doesn't work for existing rooms? it should
- John Blanton
from twhirl
sorry I see it where you were talking about now Bret . .had to logout and back in again ..Thanks!!
- John Blanton
from twhirl
Great feature!! Love it when you guys work with the community.
- Frankie Warren
I'd like the feeds to still keep the names/authors of the feed...if a room has multiple feeds from different authors it would help distinguish them. I'd also like to see room posts on the frontpage off-colored so they stand out: like a light yellow background or something.
- Paul Arterburn
My first idea was to allow all room members to stream their feeds to the room, but that would make most larger rooms extremely noisy, so this is perhaps the better solution.
- Thomas Frütel
“Woe is me. Typepad is down! How will I ever share my pointless blather with thousands of generally uninterested people who reflexively and unconsciously click through from my feed and stare blankly at my site before moving on to other vacuous narratives entirely lacking any redeeming value?!
Another metric/dimension/parameter: share the same conversations (have posted comments on the same items). The main point here: what algorithm would best rank Friendfeed users by similarity to me (and, perhaps, relevance to me).
- Sean McBride
If we have an ability to search friends that have high similarity, we also need to see those with the highest dissimilarity. That way you can easily get exposure to completely different topics for us Renaissance-types.
- xero
Degrees of similarity and dissimilarity, from most similar to most dissimilar and everything in between, should be relatively easy to plot. The algorithm would be closely related to metrics of personal interestingness and relevance for items, links and comments.
- Sean McBride
@Ross: The recommended friends page says, "The people below are popular among your friends," but nothing about comparing any of the other above criteria. Does it behind the scenes, without mentioning it?
- Voyagerfan5761
Thought: the scoring and ranking algorithms for personalized recommendation systems should be totally transparent -- the user should be able to see what is under the hood and understand precisely why particular items are being prioritized in particular orders.
- Sean McBride
Lovely idea in general. Pushing it to the limit, you could have a form with sliders (for the above parameters) to tweak the similarity algorithm's factors to your taste!
- w0nk0
w0nk0: love the sliders concept! If the internal workings of the personalized recommender system are made fully transparent, it should be possible for the user to tweak recommendations along all available parameters. Perhaps one could view and rank test results for various settings and adjustments, and fine-tune the recommender as one goes along.
- Sean McBride
FriendRank - because not all subscriptions are created equal. Surely FF can already rank our existing subscriptions based on all of the measurements you mentioned. What would be really useful is if users were able to explicitly control the rankings. Then, in a nutshell, one way to expose users to potentially interesting people would be to look at existing subscriptions with high...
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- Aviv
Hey Paul questions: if I block a user I stay subscribed to him? It means it is a polite way of unsubscribing to someone? Why not just unsubscribe? Thanks
- Loic Le Meur
from twhirl
Isn't that too close to "Unsubscribe"?
- João Almeida
You get a warning message after you click Block
- Bwana ☠
Unsubscribe to a user this will still make that user's contributions visible if he/she's a friend of a friend. blocking him will make him disapear like a shadow in the night
- directeur
Loic, it's a two way block. You can't see them, and they can't see you. Posts or comments. It's much more powerful than Unsubscribe. It's mainly for abusive users and trolls.
- Bwana ☠
ah I understand from the message the user won't get anything I post so it does not let him subscribe to you anymore, what does the user get as a message then?
- Loic Le Meur
from twhirl
So far, I've used it twice. I don't think I'll need it anymore. I can quit anytime I want. :)
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
Paul ! Humanum "Documentus" Est! :) Please explain us the feature
- directeur
what does block do ? is it just UI Based or does it also filter the RSS feed (4 blocked user) plus the email alert for that user too ? plus I echo Loic's question !!
- Peter Dawson
Not sure Loic. The exact message from the warning is: "After blocking this user, you won't see any of their posts or comments on FriendFeed, and they won't see anything you post. If they're subscribed to you, that subscription will be removed."
- Bwana ☠
It's a much less polite way of unsubscribing, Loic. It's closer to a restraining order :). The idea is to create mutual disengagement -- enable people who don't get along to stay separated. For example, if there is someone who posts rude comments on your feed, you may want to block them.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul: But, say, if he still insults you on your posts (when he's blocked) others will his comments?
- directeur
Blocked users can't see (or comment on) your posts, directeur.
- Paul Buchheit
I wonder - when someone will make a "who'se blocked me on ff" application. : ) Is it possible technically?
- Erhan Erdogan
Paul, thanks, but I was wondering if they have that possibility through an other app using the api for eg.
- directeur
What I really want is just the ability to say that I "Didn't Like" something. Don't want to block people, just let FF know better about what I don't like.
- David Recordon
Reputation and feedback features on FF would be great, but block is a start.
- Bill Sodeman
Block is cool, but I agree, if FF could learn what I like and what I don't -- even better!
- Eric Hamilton
Please @TweetJeebus: no reputation features. They all suck.
- Chris Baskind
I tried to thank Tudor for this but he said I should thank you, Paul. So thanks!
- EricaJoy
BullShit you Blocking out Knowledge! Go Back to your Cave if you do not want feedback!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
But comments don't happen on posts exclusively, it will also be on tweets, and diggs and stumbles and shared items - blocking someone out really isn't a sensible filter
- Andy Beard
Andy is very correct! Blocking someone will just infuriate them against you!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Used it twice so far; I hope I don't need to use it more.
- Benjamin Golub
Now only removing contacts in Linkedin is missing.
- Amit Morson
thanks - just used it, and feel I like it ;)
- A.T.
It seems to me the two-way nature of this feature makes the "A-listers" (and anyone else for that matter) that much more powerful - they can essentially decide who gets to participate in insightful discussions taking place in response to items they shared (but not necessarily created, such as a blog post written by them). Many great discussions tend to develop around shared items of the...
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- Aviv
@aviv - Does FF have A-listers in the usual sense? I mean, I look at my feed, then look at the "everyone" tab and there is zero overlap. If there were dominant A-listers I'd expect them to fill the "everyone" feed. Instead FF seems to be creating a graph consisting of disconnected cliques. Which is a good thing, in my opinion, but I'd love to see the data to back my hypothesis up.
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt - I think it does to some extent. Look at your Best Of for the day and tell me what you think :)
- Aviv
@aviv -- What do you mean? My Best Of right now contains ... let me check .. Bret Taylor, Paul Buchheit, Kevin Fox, Mike Arrington, Jeremy Zawodny, Matt Cutts. Oh wait. : )
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt - that's exactly my point. Say you love discussing anything-FriendFeed, but Bret and Paul seem to think you're being too sarcastic in your comments around FF. They don't think you're abusing the service, of course, but they prefer not seeing your stuff for a while, and so they block you. Does that mean you should be left out of FriendFeed discussions that develop around their...
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- Aviv
@aviv - Bret and Paul probably will start ignoring me -- my S/N ratio is very low. : ) But they wouldn't block me, they'd hide me. Block is more drastic -- it could have been called "report abuse". Which might have been a better name to avoid confusion about when and where it should be used. Re comment stream aggregation across similar urls: I can only imagine this hasn't been exposed yet because of the UI challenge, not because of technology or philosophy.
- DeWitt Clinton
Wouldnt it be good if Block link is available on small popup as well that shows up on hovering person's name?
- Jigar Mehta
DeWitt - still I'm sure less FF-savvy users will take the consequences of the blocking feature more lightly. Going back to my original concern - does this leave too much power in the hands of the "A-listers" (or subscriptionally-gifted individuals ;)? I'm not trying to criticize any of them or their intentions obviously, just trying to see if this is a concern FF considered when the...
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- Aviv
Jigar - not necessarily. I would imagine FF expects each user to carefully consider the consequences of a Block, and so it would make sense to force you to first see a user's actual feed before making a decision. This could prevent blocking that's based on emotions raised by a single recent comment you stumbled upon. I think. :)
- Aviv
I love this: "Tamagotchi effect: If you take care of your users, the right investors will rally around you and talented hackers will line up to work for you." Graham +1 ;-)
- Erhan Erdogan
I like that :). And I appreciated this paragraph in particular: "The curious thing is, this elixir is freely available to any other company. Anyone can adopt 'Don't be evil.' The catch is that people will hold you to it." Friendfeed, clearly, has opened up with clear expectations to "be good." People will hold it (and them, the employees) to that standard, and I think that's awesome :)
- Adam Lasnik
I wish more nonprofits operated using the Tamagotchi effect as a basic operating principle.
- Allan Benamer
from twhirl
Be good! Reminds me of E.T, good post I also like their transparency it gives me confidence in their vision and objectives!
- Joe Dawson
Take care of this user please and make it so when I jump from the normal search to the advanced search, my search query won't be lost :) [also, please give me the link "Search all of FriendFeed »" even when the other search found some results]
- Philipp Lenssen
do you guys need a marketer? Or does that not fall into 'be good" ar ar
- anna sauce
@Philipp The Friendfeed Feedback room is your friend :)
- EricaJoy
@Paul: Invent a new slogan for FF. You 'll be needing that in future.
- Varun Mahajan
"Be Good" produces "make really Good" software applications! woo hoo! Neat article. Very inspiring to see someone take a stand on "Do No Evil" and then go one step further and commit to "Be Good"! - love it! excellent example and role model for aspiring Web App Devs!! Keep up the "good" work!! :-)
- Susan Beebe
I don't know why, but when they described PB as "cherubic" I just had to laugh. It was so cute!
- April Buchheit
@April - same here! when they described PB as "cherubic" - awesome! angel face!! ha, ha!!
- Susan Beebe
I find it fascinating that there are no comments on the actual Times Blog post but plenty o' comments here and acknowledgement by well over 100 people. Friendfeed power right there.
- Jason Toney
Jason, good point, one of the things I value most about FF is this interactivity.
- susan mernit
I finally read this. Nice article, Paul. Good luck.
- Robert Konigsberg
That Paul Graham's article is one of his best - so true and succinct. I guess, the more social the online world becomes, the better (as in "less evil") will companies need to be.
- Nenad Nikolic
Awesome Joseph! Plaxo is great app... keep up good work. I especially like Open tools. You guys were first to embrace Google's OpenSocial API right?
- Susan Beebe
@Susan, yep we were the first site live with the original version of OpenSocial. We're in a good role at Plaxo where we have a large and mainstream enough userbase to make a decent impact when by supporting open standards like OpenID, microformats, OpenSocial, and so on, and yet we're still small and agile enough that we can crank them out quickly and "ship early and often". :D
- Joseph Smarr
Keep up the great work on open standards. I don't really understand FriendConnect though. What's the practical benefit for users?
- Greg Beck
so now I'll actually get friendfeed setup :-)
- Silona
Really good breakdown on Facebook's value and how it differs from MySpace. Facebook is getting bigger. With huge growth, smart employees, and plenty of money, they need to stay on your radar.
- Hutch Carpenter
eric i disagree with your assumption that most bloggers disagree.
- MG Siegler
I like your take on the cultural differences of the sites. I think a lot of social media gets lumped together as one in the same thing. I like to think of sites and different cities or neighborhoods. Anyone know of any good cultural overviews of the top social sites? I'm always curious why a person may choose Bebo over myspace, or whatever.
- Ginger Makela Riker
Do we have short memories???,we've seen this growth and promise with Yahoo! back in april 2000 , Checkout this article from the MOtley Fool Yahoo!: Built to Last http://www.fool.com/news... .. where is YAhoo now? "Starting with usage metrics, Yahoo!'s unique users increased to 145 million versus 120 million in December. Even more impressive, the company's database of...
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- Dh'ennis Dömingö
myspace and facebook are not the only services to look at when you leave the english sphere. The numbers for myspace (now with official IVW numbers) and facebook for germany are not as high as you would like to expect from the report above, in fact the german copy cat of facebook holds the absolute market number one position for pupils and students. it will be a long long long way for facebook to be able to crack that.
- Nicole Simon
@Dennis Domingo I know it's obvious to you, but can you explain in more detail why you think Yahoo and Facebook are similar?
- Eric Eldon
@Nicole Simon That's a good point about domestic competitors and I should have mentioned it somewhere in the article. I've previously written about the challenges of Facebook/MySpace and others in breaking into some of country-specific markets. Still, I've heard Facebook's traffic in Germany is doing well.
- Eric Eldon
i am still seeing a conflict with linkbacks i'll work more on it later
- MG Siegler
hmmm expanded the widgets and all and I didn't find any of these lines, I think I've just got some many tweaks to the base code
- BCK
pretty sure a limitation here is that they have to be recent comments on friendfeed (so they're in your feed), is that that same with the wordpress plug-in?
- MG Siegler
Didn't realize that this would work, even if you have Disqus. Will have to try it out.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
Yeah - the RSS and JSON has a history limitation, which is why I'm trying to work on a server side solution. It's a bit of a pain, because it means stuff has to get imported to a database. I'd much rather be able to make queries to FF's db thru the api (by the muid?), because I really don't want to maintain another database that mirrors theirs. Seems sorta silly. Not to mention I'm not as good at creating good DBs as them.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
@Rizzn - For sure, the best solution would be if FriendFeed did this themselves...
- Pat Hawks
Still, great job on this Pat. Looks great on my site.
- MG Siegler
@MG Siegler - You're right, there is a history limitation. This will only find comments on your last 90 blog posts.
- Pat Hawks