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Deity of the Day: via Godchecker Twitter AMESHA-SPENTAS http://www.godchecker.com/_feeds... (MD) The Holy Immortal Attendants of AHURA-MAZDA. There are at least seven of them. That's how many it takes to change his light bulbs. ... Mon, 07 Dec 2009 00:00:54 -0500 - http://feeds.feedburner.com/dod
Deity of the Day: via Godchecker Twitter SANDY http://www.godchecker.com/_feeds... (CH) A Fish Spirit, ex-Marshall of Heaven and disciple of TRIPITAKA. ... Sun, 06 Dec 2009 09:45:20 -0500 - http://feeds.feedburner.com/dod
Deity of the Day: via Godchecker Twitter PROMETHEUS http://www.godchecker.com/_feeds... (GR) Son of IAPETUS and CLYMENE. He was a rival to his brother EPIMETHEUS in the creature creation game. ... Sun, 06 Dec 2009 00:00:56 -0500 - http://feeds.feedburner.com/dod
Deity of the Day: via Godchecker Twitter LI-TIEGUAI http://www.godchecker.com/_feeds... (CH) One of the EIGHT-IMMORTALS, he's famously known as 'Li with the Iron Crutch'. ... Sat, 05 Dec 2009 00:00:56 -0500 - http://feeds.feedburner.com/dod
Deity of the Day: via Godchecker Twitter ANATABOGA http://www.godchecker.com/_feeds... (SE) World Serpent before time existed or maybe shortly afterwards. ... Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:06:25 -0500 - http://feeds.feedburner.com/dod
Deity of the Day: via Godchecker Twitter TONATIUH http://www.godchecker.com/_feeds... (AZ) Sun God. Looks after warriors, particularly those who die in his service, and rules the present Age of the world. ... Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:42:59 -0500 - http://feeds.feedburner.com/dod
Deity of the Day: via Godchecker Twitter PROMETHEUS http://www.godchecker.com/_feeds... (GR) Son of IAPETUS and CLYMENE. He was a rival to his brother EPIMETHEUS in the creature creation game. ... Tue, 01 Dec 2009 05:11:27 -0500 - http://feeds.feedburner.com/dod
Deity of the Day: via Godchecker Twitter TANGALOA http://www.godchecker.com/_feeds... (OC) A Creator God who made humans from grubs. ... Mon, 30 Nov 2009 00:00:30 -0500 - http://feeds.feedburner.com/dod
Deity of the Day: via Godchecker Twitter ZHONG-LIQUAN http://www.godchecker.com/_feeds... (CH) One of the EIGHT-IMMORTALS, he invented weapons of mass revelation. ... Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:00:43 -0500 - http://feeds.feedburner.com/dod
Deity of the Day: via Godchecker Twitter MONKEY-TWINS http://www.godchecker.com/_feeds... (MY) Nickname of HUN-BATZ and HUN-CHOEN, the ill-fated sons of sporty HUN-HUNAHPU and his wife XBAQUIYALO.... Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:01:31 -0500 - http://feeds.feedburner.com/dod
The Bible: 5 Things You Didn't Know - AskMen.com - http://www.askmen.com/enterta...
Deity of the Day: via Godchecker Twitter SUCELLOS http://www.godchecker.com/_feeds... (CE) Very popular God of Prosperity and Good Fortune — if you deserve it. ... Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:01:00 -0500 - http://feeds.feedburner.com/dod
Deity of the Day: via Godchecker Twitter TLAZOLTEOTL http://www.godchecker.com/_feeds... (AZ) The Eater of Filth and Dirt. Do you really want further details? Well, okay, if you insist. ... Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:00:55 -0500 - http://feeds.feedburner.com/dod
Deity of the Day: via Godchecker Twitter OGUN http://www.godchecker.com/_feeds... (AF) God of Metalwork. ... Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:00:13 -0500 - http://feeds.feedburner.com/dod
Deity of the Day: via Godchecker Twitter WAUKHEON http://www.godchecker.com/_feeds... (NA) The Thunder Bird. He's a nature spirit of great importance. ... Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:00:24 -0500 - http://feeds.feedburner.com/dod
Deity of the Day: via Godchecker Twitter DA-YU http://www.godchecker.com/_feeds... (CH) Ancient God of Flood Control. ... Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:02:37 -0500 - http://feeds.feedburner.com/dod
Deity of the Day: via Godchecker Twitter NGAI http://www.godchecker.com/_feeds... (AF) Creator God. He created the Sky and the Earth, and made animals, plants and stones. And also mountains. ... Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:01:18 -0500 - http://feeds.feedburner.com/dod
The Vatican joins the search for alien life - Telegraph - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science...
The one on the right looks scared.
- Chris Munro
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Deity of the Day: via Godchecker Twitter KHONSU http://www.godchecker.com/_feeds... (EG) God of the Moon — and also a God of Time (particularly months). ... Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:00:40 -0500 - http://feeds.feedburner.com/dod
Deity of the Day: via Godchecker Twitter CAI-SHEN http://www.godchecker.com/_feeds... (CH) God of Prosperity and Profit. ... Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:00:20 -0500 - http://feeds.feedburner.com/dod
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Deity of the Day: via Godchecker Twitter COCOMAMA http://www.godchecker.com/_feeds... (IC) Goddess of Health, Happiness and Recreational Drug-taking. But not the Goddess of Chocolate! ... Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:00:33 -0500 - http://feeds.feedburner.com/dod
Deity of the Day: via Godchecker Twitter MACUILXOCHITL http://www.godchecker.com/_feeds... (AZ) The God of Games, from boardgames to the Aztec version of football, and is also in charge of gambling, dancing and music. ... Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:00:32 -0500 - http://feeds.feedburner.com/dod
Atheist billboard is moved after threats - UPI.com - http://www.upi.com/Top_New...
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""Everything that has happened shows just how vital our message is," Shawn Jeffers, co-coordinator for the Cincinnati Coalition of Reason, said. "It proves our point, that bigotry against people who don't believe in a god is still very real in America.""
- Tanath
from Bookmarklet
Global Times - Islamists in Somalia stone man to death for adultery - http://world.globaltimes.cn/africa...
"Hussein's girlfriend, who is now said to be pregnant, will also be executed by stoning after she gives birth."
- Tanath
from Bookmarklet
I mean, okay, adultery is douchey, but not death penalty douchey.
- Brian Chang
But what's worse is that his pregnant girlfriend is to be stoned to death as well (what was her "crime"?).
- Tanath
Yeah, I guess we don't really know if she was a knowing participant in his adultery. Not that it would warrant being stoned to death in any event.
- Brian Chang
Obviously the "adultery" in question is between this Hussein dude and his girlfriend. How can she not be a knowing participant?
- Haris bin Ali
At first, I was thinking the adultery was that he cheated on her, but then I realized that they also consider any sex outside of marriage to be adultery. If he had cheated though, then she'd have nothing to do with his adultery and it would be all the more absurd. I've seen news reports of them doing that kind of thing though.
- Tanath
It's very thoughtful of them to let the baby live before killing both its parents.
- Edward Zwart
The Blog for WhyWontGodHealAmputees.com » People are better off without false hope - http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog...
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"We are told that people need to “fight cancer” and that people with long-term diseases should pray fervently and “never give up hope” because God may deliver a miracle. But is that true?"
- Tanath
from Bookmarklet
Tanath to Tanath's feed, Funny Pics and Videos, Funny Funny, Fun Stuff, Skeptics Unite!, Atheists, AASFSHNR
Non Sequitur, October 29, 2009
— UCLICK GoComics.com - http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequ...
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First Kiva Team to Reach $1 Million! - Kiva Blog - http://www.kiva.org/about...
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"The first Kiva Lending Team to reach $1,000,000 in loans is the Atheists, Agnostics, Skeptics, Freethinkers, Secular Humanists and the Non-Religious!"
- Tanath
from Bookmarklet
It's not long before we reach two now :)
- Eivind
Nearly double the Kiva Christians, nice.
- Tanath
French Branch of Scientology Is Convicted of Fraud - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/glogin...
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"The French branch of the Church of Scientology was convicted of fraud and fined nearly $900,000 on Tuesday by a Paris court. But the judges did not ban the church entirely, as the prosecution had demanded, saying that a change in the law prevented such an action for fraud. The church said it would appeal."
- Tanath
from Bookmarklet
I need a new doctor. My doc doesn't believe in evolution - the fundamental uniting principle of all biology. :(
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Are you sure he's a doctor of medicine?
- Eivind
Yes, he's my family doctor. He's also... friendly towards alternative "medicine." Edit: Darn, forgot to add this to Bitchfest. :P
- Tanath
He believes in micro evolution, right? Isn't that how they play now?
- Eivind
I don't know. He didn't want to talk about it. He said he thinks evolution is "debatable."
- Tanath
He needs to be introduced to this woman: http://www.skepdoc.info/
- Christopher A Carr
You definitely need a new doctor.
- Christopher A Carr
That'd be great. Unfortunately not going to happen. Fortunately though, I've found some good doctors who are available in my area. :)
- Tanath
strange folks still debate it
- ffcode
A part of me wants the AMA (or equiv) to step in and force him to declare this, or somehow otherwise affect his ability to practice.
- Edward Zwart
I'm actually in Canada, but yeah that'd be nice.
- Tanath
Ah, I think I knew that at some point... where abouts again?
- Edward Zwart
Ontario. Within an hour of Toronto.
- Tanath
I believe in evolution, but I think it is debatable, at least in principle: it is still a theory, not a proof. That does not mean that the alternative is creation, necessarily - more that the theory is neither perfect, nor complete.
- mjc
Yeah, I think a lot of the details of macroevolution are still very much debatable. The main problem is that it's pretty hard to craft reproducible experiments.
- Victor Ganata
take a look at the 20,000 generation e. coli study that was published recently
- mjc
Evolution is debatable and a theory in the same way gravity is both those things. Sure, we're almost for sure going to learn further details, but it's playing with words to suggest that "evolution/gravity is debatable" or that either is "just" a theory.
- Edward Zwart
mjc, it's pretty much given that evolution is a fact. The theory concerns the mechanisms by which it operates. And I think he said it's "debatable" simply to give the safest answer. You are right though, everything is in principle debatable. :P
- Tanath
mjc, but that study is probably more descriptive of microevolution. Don't get me wrong. Macroevolution seems to be the only scientific theory that can explain the origin of species. But I think it's a mistake to think that macroevolution has as much evidence behind it as the theory of gravity, which is quite trivial to test experimentally.
- Victor Ganata
It's probably pretty disturbing, but you could probably practice modern medicine quite well without accepting macroevolution at all. You'd have to accept microevolution though. I can't see any other way to explain antibiotic resistance or cancer.
- Victor Ganata
An MD Doctor debating evolution makes me wonder what his opinion of the scientifc theory regarding actial medical procedures. You know formal theory or not, evolution is pretty much settled as fact in the scientific community as are a number of items that are maybe important to you like vaccine safety etc etc A doctor unsure about basic science is messed up run!
- WarLord
Victor: There is no fundamental difference between the two. That one leads to the other is fantastically consistent with empirical data.
- Christopher A Carr
Victor, macroevolution follows from microevolution.
- Tanath
"Macroevolution" is a fact.
- Christopher A Carr
In order to dispute that, you'd have to come up with some mechanism for preventing microevolution leading to macroevolution, and then have a hell of a lot of explaining to do. :P
- Tanath
You can use "God" to explain a lot, Tanath.
- Alex Scoble
Alex: What? ;P
- Tanath
God made Tanath say that.
- Alex Scoble
God is my brain?
- Tanath
Hehe
- Alex Scoble
God of the gaps really doesn't explain anything though.
- Tanath
It does if you believe in it.
- Alex Scoble
Biology is just applied chemistry. You need a chemist.
- ha3rvey (likes fritos)
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Not really. Thinking it does doesn't make it so...
- Tanath
Plenty of people would disagree with you, Tanath, hehe.
- Alex Scoble
I'm used to that. :) A valid explanation needs to be consistent and coherent, and fit the evidence.
- Tanath
That would scare me
- Moved to Facebook
from fftogo
Oh, you want a "valid" explanation? My bad, hehe.
- Alex Scoble
XD
- Tanath
just want to point out that a theory is something that has pretty solid backing in science.. for something that is contestable and not yet supported by reproducable data is a "hypothesis". But then, everything in science can be contested if you want to... you just need to provide the data, it's what I love about science.
- alphaxion
Dr. Hall, the woman to whom I linked earlier, explained in a workshop I attended that you can't assume MDs have much experience with scientific thought or process.
- Christopher A Carr
I find Wiktionary to be an excellent dictionary, and it does a good job of defining "theory" as well: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki...
- Tanath
Chris, that is unfortunately true. I found a site though where users rate doctors ( http://www.ratemds.com/ ), so I intend to try for the best rated docs in my area.
- Tanath
I want to lobby ratemds.com to include a "believes in evolution" flag. :)
- Edward Zwart
Yes, I realize that macroevolution is the plausible consequence of microevolution, but that doesn't mean that there aren't people who will the deny the former but accept the latter. If you look closely at it, though, only the latter really has immediate clinical consequences.
- Victor Ganata
I'm just trying to make a distinction about quality of evidence: not all evidence is created equal. To me, the strongest proofs are those that are readily reproducible. In some scientific endeavors, this is not easy to come by.
- Victor Ganata
Change in allele frequency is change in allele frequency.
- Christopher A Carr
Yeah, but there's a big difference between whether that allele causes a change in protein structure, which is readily observable, and whether that allele creates an entirely new species of multicellular organism, which I don't think we've managed to reproduce yet.
- Victor Ganata
I'm just playing devil's advocate here. Like I said, there isn't really any other scientific theory that can explain the origin of species.
- Victor Ganata
Evidence consists of facts that justify a statement. Either the facts justify a statement or they don't.
- Tanath
Well, that isn't how physicians are trained to deal with evidence. Some types of evidence are considered better than others. http://www.aafp.org/afp...
- Victor Ganata
Well, physicians generally aren't scientists. That image seems to be using 'evidence' in a colloquial sense. My statement is technically accurate.
- Tanath
Wow, this conversation actually ended up in macro- vs. micro-evolution? I'm sorry if I steered the conversation in that direction with my sarcastic comment early on. There's just evolution btw.
- Eivind
Yes, but what else can we debate then (especially if we've given up counting dancing angels on pin heads)?
- Edward Zwart
Theory of Gravity vs. Theory of Intelligent Falling?
- Eivind
Tanath, that's how physicians and physician-scientists are taught to analyze clinical studies. Certainly, the data they're dealing with is usually not as concrete as what you might find in molecular biology or physics. Eivind, yeah, I realize that biologists don't consider macroevolution and microevolution as separate topics. I know it's the same process of changing allelic frequency,...
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- Victor Ganata
Leave it to @RickWarren to turn Twitter into another pulpit from which to preach. Try listening to others for once, Rick. Engage in conversation.
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