Yeah their transcriptions are atrocious
- LANjackal
I've found them to be just awful or spot-on. Then again, I've seen the same with Gmail's spam filter. Some accounts are terrific at blocking spam and others are pretty bad.
- Kevin Fox
It's fascinating what comes out of statistical learning when something goes wrong. I just got a transcription that said "Hi. See you later." The audio was just a couple of clicks. But those phrases make sense statistically, if you assume the caller must have said *something*. The good news is that it will most likely get a *lot* better over time, as more training data becomes available.
- Joel Webber
Someone forgot the "!" before the isStopWord(...)
- Manas Tungare
Joel: sounds like a pretty accurate translation to me.
- Jim Norris
Har har.... I assume there is ZERO chance of this ever happening.
- Jay
@Jay - I suspect Paul wouldn't ask if he thought there was zero chance. Last time I remember Paul asking for something from Google to be open sourced it was their JS compiler. That took a while, but http://code.google.com/closure...
- Nick Lothian
@Jay: Remember that Paul's referring to (relatively) generic infrastructure here, not search ranking code. But I think Daniel's right that it would be a *lot* of work, since most Google infrastructure is not "productized" and easy to wrap up in a bow for public release. Like any company with a lot of infrastructure, there are a lot of interdependencies that would be difficult to untangle. I think it would probably be better to simply publish papers on how it works, as with GFS, BigTable, etc.
- Joel Webber
Boy, that would be a bold move Paul. Agreed that it would help out many though!
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
How about just dumping the source to the web without all the dependencies, even if it doesn't even compile? If it looks useful enough there's a good chance someone would adopt it.
- Jim Norris
Should be re-named " The death of Microsoft's attempt at Social Media".
- Jeff P. Henderson
1) I can't find any sign of MS sponsorship on the page now 2) "Sponsor" only means ad revenue, just as companies "sponsor" TV shows by displaying ads on them. It doesn't necessarily signify deep agreement with everything presented 3) MS threw a quarter bil at Facebook, has a Bing deal with the site AND has more Twitter accounts and official blogs than you can shake a stick at. That sound like a company that thinks social media is dying to you?
- LANjackal
LANjackal, yes, MS sponsors the site. (It's hard to miss next to the title and a full banner ad, vertical) I am certain they had nothing to do with the story, nor did they sponsor this one in particular. It is an unfortunate coincidence for them. Have some fun with it.
- Louis Gray
I'll believe Google's commitment to Open when they disclose all Adsense percentages.
- Dawn
Why wouldn't Google want "Open"? If nobody else can make money, it guarantees their permanent position as #1 tech company.
- Dawn
Louis, I can't understand why you like Google so much. Take this line: "In many cases, most notably our search and ads products, opening up the code would not contribute to these goals and would actually hurt users." ROLLING EYES Over 80% of Google's revenue comes from search. That's what they keep closed tight. They're only open with the rest to control talent, look generous, and make sure the Internet pie they own over 70% of gets bigger and bigger. Google's openess is a calculated monopolistic ploy.
- Dawn
Dawn, it's certainly true today that opening up the code of our search product would lead to more spam and lower-quality search results. You mentioned the problems of limited spam tools in your "top 10 failures of blogging" post. Giving the spammers the ranking code to search engines would make things worse, at least as they stand today.
- Matt Cutts
Matt, why can't Google tell bloggers what percentage of money they are earning from Adsense clicks? How would making Adsense more transparent increase SPAM or hurt users?
- Dawn
Dawn: An "open-source ranking algorithm" is completely orthogonal to Adsense percentages. I can't usefully speak to the latter, but conflating the two is not a useful line of reasoning. Also, why does the fact that Google makes most of its revenue from search make it *not* true that disclosing all details of ranking could still increase spam? Those two facts are not mutually exclusive.
- Joel Webber
Joel, the quote was "search and ads products." He's the one who conflated them, and in fact, they do go together. My point is that what they actually make money on is NOT open nor transparent and never will be. The spam thing is just a convenient excuse, The real reason is because they are a large for-profit corporation and they aren't about to give away their bread and butter, despite the fact that they want everybody else to.
- Dawn
Wouldn't a proper page ranking algorithm need to work like security protocols, that they work even if people know every detail? Being closed doesn't ensure security.
- Todd Hoff
Dawn: But they remain orthogonal concerns. And I would argue that it's entirely unfair to suggest that Google "wants everybody else to give up their bread and butter". I see no evidence of this. It makes no more sense to suggest that Google should open-source every iota of work that it does, than it does to suggest that you should put all of your creative output in the public domain. Neither Google nor any other company I'm aware of is asking you to do that either.
- Joel Webber
@Todd: I don't think that analogy holds water, even though I keep seeing it made all over the place (the "security through obscurity" argument). That argument applies to things like access-control and encryption, which have to be provably correct (modulo the fact that factoring large numbers hasn't actually been proved to be hard). Ranking algorithms are fundamentally susceptible to gaming if you know every detail of the algorithm itself.
- Joel Webber
Joel, sorry I don't mean to be repetitive, I've not seen threads on this. Generally games have to have ways of policing cheaters rather than only giving rules to some trusted players. That such a system can't be devised puts into the question the basis for the rankings in the first place, wouldn't it?
- Todd Hoff
Joel, you're right, Google didn't ask. They bribed the United States Congress with millions of dollars in an attempt (which is on-going as we speak) to *force* all artists to do that. They want "public domain" to be the default. If you don't believe me, research the bill. It was written by people who believe that all creative work belongs to the public at large that "inspired" it, not to the individual who created it.
- Dawn
Todd: Think of it this way (but keep in mind that search ranking is not my specialty): The goal of search ranking (as I see it) is to approximate the ranking an intelligent user would apply, but it can only ever do so imperfectly. Between that approximation and reality exists opportunities for optimizing for the approximation rather than for reality. This is the difference between search ranking and traditional games: in a game, the ranking essentially *is* reality.
- Joel Webber
Dawn: I'm aware of the bill, and I think your characterization of it is unreasonable. I can't speak to Google's involvement with it, but it's clear that *something* has to change, because the current situation is untenable. We can have a reasoned debate on the details of the bill, of course, and I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the subject, as you suggested on another thread.
- Joel Webber
It would seem the ranking of the intelligent user would be reality. Page rank as a measure of that reality could be quite effectively made open as an intelligent user does not usually fall for spam. If that's not happening it would be good to figure out why. And if there's a bias against reality it would be good to figure out why. All the normal vetting characteristics of openness.
- Todd Hoff
Todd: Yes, the ranking of an intelligent user would be reality. But knowing precisely how to measure search rank would give you the opportunity to mold actual spam such that it games the difference between search rank and reality. (disclaimer the second: I'm not a search engineer. I don't speak for Google. I could be wildly wrong, but this is my understanding of the subject from first principles).
- Joel Webber
"They bribed the United States Congress with millions of dollars in an attempt (which is on-going as we speak) to *force* all artists to do that." Dawn, allegations of bribery are pretty serious, since bribery is illegal. Where's your source for allegations for bribery?
- Matt Cutts
LOL Okay "lobbying" then. Same diff in my book. But I'm grumpy. ;)
- Dawn
Again though Joel, if your algorithm relies on obscurity it's not a very powerful algorithm. So the argument for closedness relies on a lack of quality. If it lacks in quality it's reasonable to want to know why, which requires openness, especially given how much 3rd party money is dependent on its inner workings.
- Todd Hoff
What you appear to be arguing is that Google's ranking algorithm should be perfect. I.e., identical to what a human would do. That's the only scenario I can think of where making a ranking algorithm public would not present the opportunity for gaming. No one remotely has a solution to that problem now, and I doubt anyone will only lifetime.
- Joel Webber
from Android
"Orderly is a textual format for describing JSON. Orderly can be compiled into JSONSchema. It is designed to be easy to read and write."
- DeWitt Clinton
This is making the rounds. Clean syntax. Wondering if it makes sense for us to publish Orderly descriptions of our various JSON-based protocols.
- DeWitt Clinton
I forwarded this around earlier and within minutes one of our engineers had documented a rather complex protocol with Orderly. Very positive sign.
- DeWitt Clinton
More concise and descriptive than protobuf and thrift, IMHO. Looks nice. It does miss out on the useful set and map types which I've found useful in protocol descriptions that interface with web applications (unfortunately protobuf misses these as well).
- Matt Mastracci
@Matt - not quite apples to apples, though. Protobufs not only define the description format (which I like), but also the wire format and idiomatic codegen mechanisms in several languages. Thrift also defines an RPC mechanism. As it turns out, the engineer who wrote up the Orderly description based it on the protobuf descriptions that were used to store and pass around the underlying data that ultimately gets turned into the JSON.
- DeWitt Clinton
And speaking of RPC, did you know that Kenton is working on an unofficial RPC implementation for protobufs? Still in the early phases, but check out: http://code.google.com/p...
- DeWitt Clinton
Re: RPC for protobuf, nice. I've used both protobuf and Thrift and each of them has their own strengths and weaknesses. Protobuf wins on ease of construction via the builder pattern and on speed. Thrift wins on providing extra collection types (map/set) and optional integration of services in the IDL. The Thrift Java libraries are poorly written and the whole thing is a bit shaky. Both of them lose by forcing me to compile their C++ parsers just to compile my IDL. :)
- Matt Mastracci
Looking at it further, this is going to be a really useful format for describing pure-JSON RPC. I'll look at generating this sort of schema automatically for the JSON RPC endpoints that we'll be publishing.
- Matt Mastracci
I reshare this to Ideas & Inspiration room :) These are so realistic!
- Kristian Salonen
I'm sorry but this is unbelievable:) I'll give credit to the artist upon more convincing proof! The photogenic look of the tiger and lion really helps the artist's case though:)
- Roney Smith
I'm with Roney... I find this hard to believe... or maybe I'm just jealous that I can't even get stick people right!
- Jasmin Smith
you cannot win on the interwebs. draw some crap it doesn't get noticed. draw something amazing in pencil and people say it's not real.
- Joe Breen
I'm really happy everyone liked these. They're my most liked entry to date, Thanks! There also seems to be some question about whether these are actually Pencil Drawings.I can assure you that they are.When I get home, I should have the links. I have more drawings, too.
- Michael Fidler
from fftogo
Thanks Enrique, I'll post some more soon. They are a little more obvious than these ones. As Luke points out; without being able to look closely it's impossible to tell. He's right; but up close it's more obvious. I'll upload the originals to Picasa later, and then you'll be able to zoom in with any photo viewer and see for yourselves. I can't believe how many people liked these. A few people have reposted them already. Thanks!
- Michael Fidler
Absolutely awesome, Michael. You are extremely talented. Everyone should repost these pix and help to make you famous. You should be doing this full time - you obviously have some passion for this. Bravo.
- Chris Loft
These are really beautiful, Michael. Do you sell them?
- Shannon Jiménez
Chris, I would love to say they're mine, but it's not true. I've had them for a while, but I'll find the artists names. It will just require a little backtracking. Besides, they deserve the credit; all I did was find them:-)
- Michael Fidler
Cut the bullshit! :) Photos are very good.
- Burçak Çubukçu
I draw alot in pencil, but they are amazing, the best for me is the girl, that is the most photo-like one. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I agree Rob, the girl is amazing. My favorite by far! Wait until you see it close up! It's really had to tell, even up close!
- Michael Fidler
Burçak Çubukçu If these were photographs, they would be very good. As Pencil Drawings,(which they are), they're amazing.
- Michael Fidler
@Burçak Çubukçu I can't tell if your serious now or just kidding around. I hope your just having fun! If you are serious, I've never given you a reason to question my integrity, nor do I ever intend to. However, the second set is up now, so judge them for yourself, but don't judge me! http://ff.im/1BJh5 BTW, I messed up and reposted the shot of the women again. Oh well. Hope you like them:-)
- Michael Fidler
@Michael: try deviantART, not Picasa, to submit your artworks
- LouCypher
WOW "I can't believe it's in pencil"
- sofarsoShawn
LouCypher, I know it well, but I don't see why I would want to do that. I hope everyone knows by now that they're not mine? I'm sorry, but I can't say it any clearer than that.
- Michael Fidler
nah, i don't believe it is done in pencil. i am sure it is photoshopped :)
- hasin hayder
I'm finding this both interesting and humorous at the same time. There's a separate message board where this post is being discussed and it has another forty comments on it already. I think its great how this has created some lively discussion, considering that when I posted this I was doubtful if anyone would even like it. When I went to sleep last night there was only had 3 or 4 likes...
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- Michael Fidler
Very interesting. I would like to see them up close and in person...just to make sure. Bill said it's real and possible. Your 2nd set of picts look like pencil. Nice work in finding these!
- LaFern Cusack
Kol, I can't thank you enough! Kol found another post which helps to prove that these are done in pencil. I had my doubts about a few of them because I collected them from several different sites over time, but the site Kol found has done a great job pulling together an impressive collection of these drawings and more. Take a look - http://www.flickzzz.com/2009...
- Michael Fidler
Actually there are more than what this site shows. There's an entire set with the cats(little cats), which I have, and there's a new portrait set.
- Michael Fidler
Found your post here, Michael. :-) I tried my best to find the artists.
- Kol Tregaskes
Amazing and very very very good.... Very impressive ...
- Linda Zeek-Bobinski
Yeah we know, thanks though, James. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Excellent pictures - how long did it take you to scan the photographs into Photoshop and then edit them? The only pencil that has come into contact with these "drawings" is the Photoshop pencil. A tip - stop trying to fool people into thinking you are a "real" artist, because all you are doing is cheapening proper artist's works whom have spent hours creating real pictures as opposed to a few minutes on a graphics editing package.
- The Wimp
A bell does ring here. And I am remembering why I was so attracted to the tiger...and the lion for that matter. These are exact replicas of prints I had in our bedroom when I lived in Dallas. I had bought the prints (in color) at a department store,
- Melanie Reed
Actually, I have learned quite a bit about these drawing since I made this post. Not only have I discovered all of the artists, but I've learned more about how they are created. They are always copied from a photograph or painting, but usually a photograph. It is extremely time consuming and detail orientated work. There are many other artists besides the ones featured here who practice...
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- Michael Fidler
Most of them have portfolio's on deviantart.com and their work is truly amazing even if they are copies of other artists work. I suppose with this level of detail, they have to start with something. Nevertheless, I'm still in awe of their talent. Melanie, the animal prints you refer to are from a very well renowned photographer. The originals are B&W I'll look it up later but I do have...
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- Michael Fidler
I guess calling it a mob or a Greek Chorus would depend on whether or not you're on the same side as the mob- err... Greek Chorus
- Nathan Wenzel
from iPhone
I would love to hear the logic that reduces the two to being equal. But my guess is logic and unreason are the same depending on which side you are on so question answered.
- Todd Hoff
Hey we bailed them out, so I guess we can now peek into the emails, we own the company
- Shakeel Mahate
open source is probably the most democratical way of justice, at least the most transparent one
- A.T.
"I promise you, one thing is never going to change. And that's our mission. People often ask me if there are guidelines in our practice of what I like to call MacNeil/Lehrer journalism. Well, yes, there are. And here they are:"
- DeWitt Clinton
I made it! Most influential British Twitter users revealed - Telegraph (UPDATE: wow - thanks so so much guys. Can't believe the love i have on here.) - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technol...
well done, Zee! Glad you're ahead of Peter Andre....:)
- WorldofHiglet
Hi, Zee ! je vais de ce pas jeter un coup d'oeil chez les Britons ;-)
- Desirade
zee - gifted followers = default list/suggested user list - when a media outlet reports on "x account has y followers" it's almost like there needs to be a notation that they were given the followers as a freebie.
- Allen Stern
Strange enough, the link to the PM's wife's Twitter page isn't direct; it's <http://go.telegraph.co.uk/...>...is this done to possibly track the number of clicks or something? All the other Twitter accounts listed are direct links
- Itachi
i thought that everyone has agreed to used "listed" as the new 'count that matters' -- there's more of a meaning to listing someone and there never was a suggested list... however... the more followers you have the more chances to be listed there are ( i guess )
- Chris Heath
Heh, nvm, seems it was a bug on my end. The link does take you to her Twitter page, but while I was mousing over the links I saw the go.telegraph.co.uk link and was a little perplexed why they had that there. It's gone now after a refresh
- Itachi
wow - thanks so so much guys. Can't believe the love i have on here.
- Zee.
Mazel tov, Zee! You're one of my tech favorites on here.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Big Congrats Zee ,, all your HArdwork is paying off
- johnpiercy
Now don't let it go to your head and start thinking that services need to bend the way they function to your will and don't start ripping services when they can't perform to insane, unrealistic, and just plane silly standards. "WTF GReader's interface starts breaking down and failing when ever I try to display 1 million individual RSS feeds on 15 inch screen at one time, this is entirely unusable!"
- Matthew DeVries
"Say hello to the newest member of the Evernote family: Evernote for Android. After months and months of development, we’re incredibly excited to unveil this shiny new version of Evernote. As you would expect, Evernote for Android is free and available in the Android Market."
- DeWitt Clinton
from Bookmarklet
Are any of you Evernote users? I've installed it before on OSX, but never really used it heavily. Worth playing with?
- DeWitt Clinton
I might have used it more if there was a Linux client version, which they don't have (at least AFAIK). Instead I use the non sync-able excellent Tomboy Notes
- Eran Sandler
Eran -- totally. I was just looking for a linux client and didn't find one. OTOH, I spend most of my time either in emacs or Chrome on Linux, so the web version there should be just fine.
- DeWitt Clinton
- or Android has finally become useful. ;) Confession: I compulsively like every item with "Evernote" in the title.
- Meryn Stol
"The Philco PC concept. Inspired by a 1950’s Philco Predicta television set. An eclectic mixture of modern minimalism, the steampunk movement and antiques."
- AJ Kohn
from Bookmarklet
Since I posted this a few days ago I've seen at least three others do so.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
"We are slouching toward health-care reform that's better than nothing but far worse than we had imagined it would be. Even those of us who have seen legislative sausage-making up close, even those of us who never make the perfect the enemy of the better, are concerned. That two or three senators are able to extort as much as they have is appalling. Why hasn't Reid forced much of the bill into reconciliation, requiring only 51 votes? Why has the President been so cowed? In all likelihood, the White House and the Dems eventually will get a bill they can call "reform," but they will not be able to say with straight faces that the reform is a significant improvement over the terrible system we already have."
- AJ Kohn
from Bookmarklet
If whatever they end up with removes the pre-existing condition bullshit and keeps the insurance companies from being able to ditch expensive patients, then I'll be pretty happy.
- Chrimmus Tad
The reform can always be further reformed, but there is a huge need for some reform RIGHT NOW. Compromise is not always a horrible thing.
- Chrimmus Tad
I think we're probably doing a good thing if both sides are unhappy. I guess I'm an 'agile' kind of guy. Lets iterate on health care and get SOMETHING done. There's enough in the reform to make things better and while that's not everything I wanted, it's better. And maybe by doing it (and showing that it is possible) we can touch and tweak it again in the future without people going ape.
- AJ Kohn
FriendFeed should be faster again. We were had some network issues which caused a lot of slowness this past week, but I think it's fixed now. Let me know if you are still encountering any extreme slowness.
Mainly just had problems with email posting and the bookmarklet. The rest seemed fairly okay.
- Jason Huebel
I've been told that I'm extremely slow much of the time, but I don't think that's what you meant. Thanks for taking care of the issue, Paul.
- Jim Is Not Smart
Meanwhile, Dad's kids with his new wife get what kind of toys?
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew, FriendFeed users have no reason to complain about our toys. And even if we did, bitterness doesn't help.
- Bruce Lewis
FriendFeed is dying for me. In fact. it's just about gone. I use it as a control room and discussion space for my Twitter feed, and a searchable archive. Discussion threads are down about 80 percent. "Likes" are off about 90 percent. There's no real time feed in from Twitter any more. Sad.
- Jay Rosen
Agreed, Jay. My personal life is in a bit of an upheaval right now, which hasn't helped, but the FB acquisition took the wind out of the sails for me. It feels like there's no future, or worse, a future wired up to the "friending" criteria of my Facebook account. I use the services COMPLETELY differently, however. Inbound updates continue, since they're automatic, but this is the first comment I've posted in weeks. Sad, indeed.
- Ken Kennedy
I am using Twitter and FB more and more lately. On the plus side, it's strengthening some real world connections. I'm missing out on the cool new stuff but I think I had gone overboard on that front.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I like FriendFeed, but I happen to find myself using Twitter and IRC more as of late. I guess I've probably just burnt myself and others out, given that I don't seem to have much in the way of compelling content and commentary these days, and that I just don't feel as motivated as I'd like to. :(
- Tyson Key
Thanks for throwing some love over to FF :)
- Susan Beebe
Is there currently an issue with posting from FF to update Facebook -or is Facebook broken after the re-design ? i dont get anything posted to FB anymore which worked fine before yd
- Del_
Hi Paul, I know it has been a while since this post. But over the last 48 hours my Twitter updates have quit showing up in FF. I tried manually refreshing. Then I removed the account so I could just add it back in. When trying to do that I get the following message: "We could not find the given account" I haven't changed anything. Any thoughts on why this is happening? I haven't had any trouble until now. Thanks.
- Mary-Lynn
My Twitter feed is coming into FF much faster now - thanks! *Edit - Blog feed, too!
- Kurt Starnes