Yeah, the point about having to take bugs to Google groups is weird, there should be a FriendFeed centric way to report bugs and wishes. I did get a speedy reply from my Google groups postings, but it felt weird, as I never normally use Groups. - Edd Dumbill via twhirl
Conversations on FriendFeed aren't "connectable" enough for bug tracking. FF needs a mashup of Summize/Attensity/del.icio.us. - Kawika Holbrook
@Kawika: The mashup you're talking about can happen possibly only after they allow users to view more than 300 items (try going past page 11) - Yuvi
The official tumblr blog wasn't a tumblelog until like a month ago. I think sometimes a startup goes with what they know, and what's free, and migrate later. I think it's a great idea though, to have a friendfeed-powered support group. - J. Phil
Ha! We are ahead of the curve then. :) The official Profy product blog has been on the platform since the get-go. I think most companies still need to maintain an off-site blog for communicating outages, etc., however. - Cyndy
FF made use of the two Google groups long before Rooms were introduced, let's not forget that. - Aviv
Cyndy - correct. Remember what happened to that anti-spam company that had its blog on wordpress.com? They were DDOSed and they updated all there A refs to their WP blog. Pissed a bunch of people off, but wordpress.com didn't go down. What was it? Blue Turtle or something? - J. Phil
I don't understand this: Where does the discussion say they don't use their own product? Because some random guy (Earle Martin doesn't work for Friendfeed) wanted you to use Google Groups? Friendfeed consistently listens to feedback and what people are saying on Friendfeed, Bret, Ana, Paul, and the others are very active users, there are rooms, set up by Friendfeed, specifically for bugs and feedback... so, huh? - Mark Trapp
Mark, sorry I didn't know that. I've been posting comments about FriendFeed in various threads, even some started by FF people, and have never received any feedback or confirmation, and none have been implemented. I had a feeling they were getting feedback elsewhere but didn't know about the Google group (wouldn't have mattered, I don't use GG, I use FF at least for now). Gotta say the response to this has been pretty hostile. Do you work for the company? (Hard to know cause there are no profile pages.) - Dave Winer
Its not that different to those companies using getsatisfaction - use the best tools for the job and all that.. admittedly google groups is not what I would call the best tool for the job though! Looks like Mark doesnt work for friendfeed assuming his Linkedin profile is upto date ;) - riaz
i can't ding them for not using their product the way some folks do - they are developing a platform so hopefully focused on that mostly but more importantly everyone uses social tools differently - some read & some engage - i think that ff shows great potential and hope they keep doing exactly what they're doing - mike "glemak" dunn
Dave, I don't work for Friendfeed. I haven't had the same experience as you: features like Block, show all likes, rooms, the services that have been added, feeds in rooms, changeable room pictures, multiple room administrators, are all features that were acknowledged on Friendfeed by Friendfeed and later implemented. I'm a nobody, and have had Paul acknowledge a few problems I've seen with Friendfeed, and work out debugging them to see what was happening. - Mark Trapp
Are Paul Buchheit, Kevin Fox, or Bret Taylor following you David? If not, they're probably not seeing your feedback, especially if you're only putting it in comments to other people's posts. They do read the Friendfeed Feedback room (even if they don't comment): maybe that's the best place to put your comments. You're a superstar: creating threads specifically for problems you have with Friendfeed is definitely going to get attention. - Mark Trapp
I agree with Mark. The FriendFeed engineers have been very active here. I agree that it could be a bit more organized, so you could see those interactions, but that's true of everything here on FF. - Robert Scoble
dave: see mark's linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/pub/7/... - that's what i look at for most folks - hover over a user name and the window that opens up shows all their inbound feed info - a richer profile on ff would be nice but if folks link to one that already does a good job don't think its that big a deal - the web doesn't need more disparate profile locations imho - mike "glemak" dunn
There is Friendfeed feedback room. It works. They listen. @Cyndy You're always ahead of the curve :) Nice job Mark (and no, I don't work for FF either, just LOVE it - Charlie Anzman
Mark, I'm glad they're listening to you. I love the block command. I'm not likely to use rooms. I don't know if they're following me, I don't keep close tabs on that. But I have tried to leave ideas and questions in places I think they watch. I basically have what I want now, though they could have saved me a bit of time by pointing me to the API (I was trying to make what I was doing work with feeds). I had some ideas for them, but I still don't know where to put them. (And I'm not using GG.) - Dave Winer
Scoble, glad they listen to you too. You have good ideas. - Dave Winer
Dave, I understand: they're not transparent in how they prioritize feature requests or bugs (things like Block were added shortly after people really started asking for it, but the 300-item limit for going back in time issue that Yuvi's been championing for months still goes unfixed), but they tend to be pretty good about acting on Feedback. My only suggestion is that in the future, try using the Friendfeed Feedback room (http://friendfeed.com/rooms/fr...) People at Friendfeed are reading it. - Mark Trapp
Although Dave, I wouldn't be surprised if this thread here causes them to start following what you say and do more closely :-) - Mark Trapp
@Mike: I'm popping up everywhere (including the FF Feedback Room, and the Google Group) and shouting about the 300 items limit. Still unfixed :( It was acknowledged at the Google Group, but that was almost 2 months ago. No fix yet. :( - Yuvi
Yuvi, I'm pretty sure they're aware of your request. As you well know, there's a workaround. I'm glad they're prioritizing more important stuff. - Jake
@Jake: Err, what workaround? I don't know any.... - Yuvi
Yep, I agree to the "prioritizing" part. Just that they need to fix this too. - Yuvi
@Mark Trapp: Huh, er, what? Oh, right, I just saw Dave's reply to my comment on that item. I forget who pointed me to the Google group; it was before rooms had been implemented, and appeared to be "the" destination for support. - Earle Martin
Dave: sorry you feel that we have been unresponsive. We are transitioning from using the Google Group to the FriendFeed room (http://friendfeed.com/rooms/fr...). As others have mentioned, Rooms did not exist when the product launched, so that is the reason both exist. For private things (stuff you don't want others to read), email feedback@friendfeed.com. We certainly try to be responsive, and we appreciate your feedback. - Bret Taylor
Bret, I'm sorry you feel that way too! I've tried to be a good user and developer, but clearly I've not been doing my job very well. I'll try harder. Thanks for the feedback. - Dave Winer
FF has been very responsive to feedback and I'm an average schmo compared to you. I've had prompt responses (and followup) from both Ana and Ross. Ana even responded while working on Obama campaign in Michigan. Dave, now that you've been corrected...write a post on your wonderful blog (go badgers!) - Pokai
Pokai, I don't understand exactly what I've been doing wrong. I've asked a few questions and made a few suggestions. At the risk of breaking protocol, I'd like ask some right now, while we have Bret's attention. How often does FF poll feeds? Does it observe <ttl>? Any thought of a weblogs.com type ping server? Why are RSS descriptions ignored? How about OPML reading list support? A few items that I've asked about.. - Dave Winer
Dave: ha! I did not intend my message to imply you have been doing something wrong. If we didn't respond your feedback or it wasn't clear where to send feedback, it is our fault of course. I just wanted to chime in with the best forums currently, but I am reading this thread closely, and I promise you we will update our procedures based on the feedback from this thread and others. - Bret Taylor
Dave, I'm sure FF is thinking (and working) on those issues. They may not be ready to answer them yet or give any kind of timetable to a high profile blogger. Now that Scoble is trying to take over DC, get a Nokia N95 camera (Qik video) and go visit the new FF headquarters with your questions. I'm sure they'd let you in, and all of us FFers would love to see it. Plus you'd probably get more followers. - Pokai
Answers to your questions: We poll feeds every 20 - 45 minutes depending on time of day. We do not currently observe TTL in feeds. We have put some thought into a producing ping server (we currently use a number of ping servers to get updates more quickly). Can you clarify your RSS descriptions issue? Do you want them passed through the feeds to the other side, or displayed in the UI somewhere? OPML is also on "the list," but has been prioritized lower than other issues to date (sorry about that). - Bret Taylor
Thanks for the responses. I don't care so much about the pass-through (though obviously it should be passed through). The use-case is http://friendfeed.com/newsjunk -- at first it was an RSS feed but it didn't update frequently enough (new items can appear every three minutes) and didn't pick up the descriptions. It finally occurred to me that using the API might give a better response and it did. - Dave Winer
To be clear OPML reading lists are like feeds, when an item drops off the list you stop polling it when an item comes on you start polling. Also it seems to me that the polling period ought to be a function of the frequency of updates of the feed. You clearly poll Flickr much more frequently as well as Twitter. Why view user feeds as lower priority? - Dave Winer
Also, which ping servers do you use? (That could address the frequency of update issue.) - Dave Winer
Yuvi's "page 11" (399 item limit with "num=100") bug hasn't been fixed since acknowledged on May 6. My guess is either (1) it's a major overhaul (2) they're worrried about increasing loads too high. With a lot of people now in the 2,000-12,000 comments/likes range, only being able to see the first 3-5% is a pain. In the everyone feed, I can only see the last 1-2 hrs of Flickrs. It would be nice to see the last 24-48 hrs, so I don't miss things while sleeping. - Mitchell Tsai
I would NOT use FriendFeed for managing Web App Dev code projects either... wrong tool guys. In fact, I am GLAD they're not using FF for that. You need to have your issue/bug tracking product *separate* from your production app! hehehe! Plus, they use the FF Feedback room and interact with their users...so they do *use* FF a bit. - Susan Beebe
I've posted bugs in both the FF room, and the Google Group, and both times received a response within minute. Note that these were actual bugs. I've made feature suggestions in the FF room, and received no feedback at all except for other users 'liking' them. But isn't this what you'd expect? FriendFeed has to manage the product as a whole and feedback helps with that, but they can't get into a discussion about every single suggestion. - Robin Barooah
I'd love to have the FriendFeed bug list & progress stuff semi-public. With all the tech people here, perhaps they could get a lot of free help. The CEO of Wikia talked about the changes in philosophy he had to use running Wikia. Many of his best workers are volunteers who put in more time than the paid staff. Issues of control, maintenance, and responsibility are interesting in the mesh between open source & traditional. Why maintain separation between internal developers, Q&A, and alpha/beta testers? - Mitchell Tsai
"Think the investors who are pouring money into financial institutions know something special? They don’t. Since the banks and insurers don’t really know the value of their own books, neither do outside investors. These financial institutions are sitting on huge piles of assets for which there is no market. There is still no good outside gauge of prices for many of these holdings, so banks must rely on internal calculations of value." - Aviv via Bookmarklet
I hear ya... Hard to say no to Github's sleek UI... - Aviv
I actually use Git about 99% on command line, but that's true: github's UI is sleek :) - directeur
git would be even more wonderful if there was a TortoiseGit (or equivalent), or at least windows CLI tools that work (the ones I tried some time back failed constantly). I run XP on my laptop, and I'd like to be able to work offline on it with git. =) - Daniel Bruce
Daniel: You're, alas, right. I friendly suggest you to use linux or osx... But it's your choise after all and I respect it :) - directeur
@directeur: Perhaps should have expanded upon it a bit. My other option is SSHing into my always-on Linux box to code there, but that requires a live internet connection. :) The laptop has to be Windows for reasons of school/work. - Daniel Bruce
@Daniel : aha! I see... I though it was a choice to stick with Windows :) Yes I understand you. No possible dual boot? - directeur
Not enough space, and it has choked on Linux before (inexplicable random lockups which I couldn't be arsed to find out how happened). I wonder if Cygwin offers git by now. - Daniel Bruce
Yes I think it should now, I don't use it myself but I think I've read somewhere someone did it... - directeur
I'm playing around with it now. Seems to work. Was able to clone one of my repositories via ssh, wasn't able to do it via http, but I think that's more my fault in not setting things up properly. At least I can USE it. ;) - Daniel Bruce
This IS good news! I'm happy you did it :) - directeur
GitNub (http://github.com/Caged/gitnub...) is an os x front end for git repositories. Doesn't have everything Tortoise does but it's something. - John
congrats to barney and team, but 2x series a valuation deal is not exactly what most of us were expecting from company that was going to be the next generation of search! - Deva Hazarika
Exactly Robert. It's good to think outside the box I think. - MG Siegler
I'm underwhelmed. They didn't live up to their promise (to take on Google), they didn't tackle the really difficult problems (ranking). They ended up writing a software that understands text. Well, that's not the really difficult thing in search. @Deva Hazarika - You're right - it can't really be satisfying. - sebmos
Well, they already bought FAST which i have used extensively - it's not Semantic but a step in that direction. PowerSet may sit atop of FAST as the FAST UI experience (and i don't just mean what the user sees) isn't so hot. - Steven
Oh boy, the VC's only made 100% profit? I'm underwhelmed! ... Can you tell I'm not from the Valley? ;) Seriously though, I'm excited to see what comes (or doesn't come) of this. I say it's good for all involved. - J. McConnell via fftogo
... and and btw, i've heard a lot of negative stuff from clients of Google enterprise search in the last few weeks, so i think they may need to up their game in the enterprise ... personally speaking, having deleloped using them they all could improve. - Steven
haha, has the 'game' been changed? http://www.parc.com/about/pres... ”The time is right to tell the world about the game-changing technology we’ve created,” - bob
VCs need 5-10X gain. Considering that 85% of their investments tank...you have to average out the gains. It's only 18-23% annual gain overall (with a lottery chance for $1 billion - rich person's gambling mecca). Yeah they made 100%. What about the other 4 investments where they lost 90-100% of their money? - Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell Tsai, I do understand the game the VC's are playing to a certain degree, though I appreciate the numbers you provided. I was mostly commenting on the "I'm underwhelmed" attitude. If I had $5M in Powerset, I wouldn't be excited about making 100%, but I'd be a lot happier than if I lost the $5M. The thing is, I didn't have $5M in Powerset (and I'm guessing that sebmos didn't either), so who are we to be "underwhelmed"? Building up a company and selling it for $100M isn't bad. - J. McConnell
J. McConnell: It's the "time" & "effort" lost while choosing an investment than makes a VC bummed. I might need five "hits" out of a 25-company portfolio (say $4 million each invested in 25 companies. $20 million return x 5 "base hits" = $100 million to make back my entire $100 million investment). Getting a 100% return on a $4 million investment isn't going to excite me. Just added 4% to my overall result. Ho hum. Better than losing the money, but I need the "base hits", and hoping for a $50 million chunk of a $300 million IPO/acquistion to put me in the black... Don't wig out about the numbers. Just think $1,000s instead of millions if that helps (e.g. $100,000 portfolio in 25 stocks). - Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell Tsai: I hear you. Thanks again for the detailed numbers. Again, it was the "ho hum" attitude of non-VC's that I was more taken aback with. From a VC perspective this is a disappointment, but for anyone else involved, I'm guessing that's not the case? - J. McConnell
Guess that means there will be less resources put into Hadoop, then... - Nick Lothian
"The philanthropist who needs to learn what it means to give and how to do it need only look to artists. Most artists are poor except in talent and desire, and give the gift of the fruits of their talent even though it makes no rational or economic sense. Artists create even when the possibility of being known is absent, because the urge to create is irresistible. It is a compulsion, and the compulsion to help should be the truest reason for philanthropy." - Aviv via Bookmarklet
WOW... a BABY Buchheit entered the world while I wasn't looking...amazing! great secret there Paul!! Congratulations on your new addition to your family!! :-) - Susan Beebe
Weird, doesn't seem to work in Fluid. Clicking the link quickly shows the loading circle on the right, then does nothing. Works fine in Safari 3.1, though. - Mark Trapp
Liked just so people see my name when they test it out. - DeWitt Clinton
I notice another change. "You" is the first name listed for all the things I've liked in the past. Even those where I haven't clicked on the expand Likes link. This wasn't previously the case. A bit of work on the Likes sort methodology? - Hutch Carpenter
Noticed that too, Hutch: do you think it's sorting based on order of likes now? Obviously, with "You" always being first and outside the order. - Mark Trapp
Mark - definitely putting "you" out front is a change. I still don't know the basis for ranking the other Likes. Maybe the guys will comment here. Or blog it. - Hutch Carpenter
I like this addition. Clean, intuitive, simple, perfect. - Tsega D
a long list of names isn't too useful; why dont you bold the ones that are my friends? - peter
peter: all your friends are listed first. - Bret Taylor
More recent likes come first, so as new friends "Like" things, you see them. - Bret Taylor
Peter, bolding is a great idea, not just here, but in general. It would be an easy way to find friends that you have not yet subscribed to. - Scott Beale
+1 for bolding names that I'm already subscribed to. - Mike Doeff
I tweaked the sort order to put "you" first, but apparently I forgot to tell Bret. - Jim Norris
Indeed Shey, http://ffapps.com/showlikes/ is no longer required. Seeing a list of people who liked a particular entry is a great way to explore and discover users who share similar interests. - Aviv
چه قدر سریع,ایده اش همین صبح مطرح شد,اسمایلی جیمبووووووووووووووووووو:))ه - shandiz
Expanding shows a lot of Likes up in this post! - Joe Dawson
i would. and both directions in FFtoGo, too. :) - felix
+1 for the feature to collapse comments - Atul Arora
that would be extremely helpful for me. - Globecode via fftogo
one click to collapse or expand all comments -- please - Sean McBride
or take it a step further - "mark comments as read" (possibly also collapse them right away, as AJ suggested). This way FF would be able to highlight (or grey out the old ones even more) new "unread" comments on subsequent refreshes, making it easier for us to follow discussions - Aviv
“Would anyone else like a 'Show less comments' functionality in FF? I like the ability to see all the comments, but there's no easy way to collapse them back into short form without reloading. ”
yes, but when you refresh the page every minute it doesn't matter :-) - Dobromir Hadzhiev
It would be nice if the expanded comments were more sticky - so you don't have to keep expanding everytime you go away and come back to a conversation you are following - Brian Sullivan
@Dobromir: So true. @Brian: Excellent point. Perhaps it can be a setting each user can select? - AJ Kohn
or take it a step further - "mark comments as read" (this will collapse them as well). This way FF would be able to highlight (or grey out the old ones even more) new "unread" comments on subsequent refreshes, making it easier for us to follow discussions - Aviv
@Aviv: I'm not sure I like them collapsing because I want to see the context, but showing new comments in a slightly different hue sounds very interesting. - AJ Kohn
AJ, by collapsing I was referring to your original request of "show less" :) I agree, they should all remain visible when a user clicks "show more comments" - Aviv
Perhaps not collapse the comments, but allow users to "mark comments as read", then just show the first few words on one line: "It would be nice if the expanded comments...". - Jody Carbone
In general, there are some more rss feed reader like features I'd like to see. Mark as read/unread, collapsing/showing, etc. - Brian
Bret -- Do you score popularity by combining the number of likes and comments for each entry? Or use some other method? I would like to track the popularity of new items both among my Friendfeed friends and among all Friendfeed users. Perhaps it's already possible to do that? - Sean McBride
Right now, it is only possible among your FriendFeed friends, which is what the links above do. It is not just simple counting, but it is a pretty good measure of popularity over that time period. - Bret Taylor
Bret -- I just noticed that your comment was referring to my second remark this morning, not my first. By "link," I mean a hyperlink, a URL. The same URL is often posted by numerous users in numerous locations. I would like to be able to rank and track the popularity of new URLs as measured by the combined number of times a URL is posted, liked and commented on. - Sean McBride
Sean - I'm sure this would improve the existing algorithm, but IMHO the end result would likely be a slightly modified version of Techmeme+[current Best Of candidates]+[any random entry in my flow with 10 or more comments] for most early adopters (especially since the FF signup process suggests that new users subscribe to super-users such as Scoble and Arrington right away). I think that ultimately most users have a completely different view of what should qualify as a "Best Of" item, which means now may be the time to introduce a FriendRank - as calculated by FF for each subscription of a user (for now let's ignore which measurements should be used) and made visible to each FriendFeeder. Of particular importance would be the ability of users to explicitly tweak any FriendRanks determined by FF (ie. permanently "fix" high rankings for your family members, etc.) I posted a similar comment in your other thread: http://friendfeed.com/e/2ce868... - Aviv
Aviv -- stimulating comments and suggestions. I like the idea of being able to tweak and adjust Friendranks of friends. - Sean McBride
Fusion and Asian are invalid cuisines! Nice try though. :) I'm not sure about Soylent either. I think that's a type of food, not a cuisine, but it's been a while since I've seen the movie. - Chris White
@Chris White: Does Oriental count as a valid cuisine? It's a lot more specific than Asian (which would also include Indian, for example). - Voyagerfan5761
My asian friends generally frown on the term Oriental. Also, I'm going to have to say no, and define cuisine as not being larger in scope than one country. Of course, you can petition for an exception. I'll give you Middle Eastern food which is regional, but well known, or British (although I'd ask why). :) - Chris White
@nor, I think I'm going to have to put you in the Axis of Evil. :) - Chris White
I see a big problem developing for FF network. We have many rooms and they are too specif to a particular topic. Unless we loosen up and stop being experts this network will Fail. We need to make it easily accessible to beginners and make it entertaining before we start discussing industry level dialog.Pretty much make you rooms fun and easy to access by noobs. Enlighten the noobs so they can grow to be responsible users.! Over excessive moderation will kill your room for general public and it will just grow weeds like an old Web 1.0 forum. We may want to set up a general room accessible to everyone where we all go to play and anything goes with light moderation. Maybe Mr. White would be interested in setting up a room like that and getting a bunch with people to help. Keep the room fun and draw a general audiance. - Igor The Troll
Getting past the mindset of there being some class of people who can be called "noobs" and another class of people who can be called "experts" goes a long way towards making new people feel comfortable. If you just be yourself, show your fellow man respect and allow them to have some dignity, you'll do a lot more than worrying about process and trying to figure out ways to coddle "noobs." - Mark Trapp
Mark do you consider deleting posts that are determined by admin irrelevant conductive to the building a room community, at this early stage of time? Or is it better to let some off topic post be posted and even engage with the poster to guide the conversation toward the meta of the room? - Igor The Troll
Why don't we talk about the actual issue? You posted a frankly offensive picture of two people having sex with George Bush and Osama Bin Laden's heads juxtaposed on the bodies. That'd be inappropriate in nearly every public forum, even more so in a previously civil and interesting room about social media. Your comments are consistently either offensive, trolling, or off-topic to every discussion. The problem isn't the moderator, it's you. You want a place to do whatever you want? Create your own room. - Mark Trapp
Just to make my point crystal clear for you: you absolutely have the right to whatever you want within the bounds of legality and human decency, but you need to learn to respect the right of everyone else to react and respond to what you do and what you say. You want to post offensive off-topic pictures and harass and troll people? Go ahead, but expect to be moderated and reacted to. That's our right. - Mark Trapp
Your interpretation of what is offensive is your interpretation and not necessary supported by other members of the the room where I posted the picture which was deleted by administrator. Different rooms have different acceptable material. Unless we have a blanket policy in the FF TOS the members do not know what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. I also request you to comment on the content of the network not on user behavior. - Igor The Troll
I have invited FF members that Follow me to come here and comment on this! If Mark Trapp wants to start pointing fingers other members of Friend Feed need to contribute to this discussion. http://friendfeed.com/e/f05bac... - Igor The Troll
I guess you were the other guy who posted something that got everyone so riled up. ;-) Except I guess you did it on purpose. Sorry I missed it. - Rick Powell
I posted a parody picture to generate a discussion in a Social Media room. The parody picture is of satiric nature and not pornography! - Igor The Troll
Mark Trapp: We both know we often disagree on a lot of things, but here I agree with your latest comment. I agree until the word "our" actually. I never use this word "we" in a social context. Of course, you're free to use it (and I'm nothing to dictate your behavior) But IMHO the word "we" is a bit aggressive in a social context in that sense that it implicitely says: "we _normal_ people". That's why I usually use "I". That was my 2cts folks, take it easy :) And oh, I've never seen the picture in question. - directeur
Maybe I should Tweet the picture around to the Social Media and SEO consultant that follow me on Twitter and see what they say? Mark do not go pointing fingers! I can also send a few emails to industry leader friends and have them stand character on my behalf. - Igor The Troll
Comment fragmentation is BY DESIGN. When you are at a cocktail party, do you hear and participate in all conversations? No. So why do you expect that online? - Robert Scoble
Robert, interesting thought. I was thinking about this after I started this thread. - Igor The Troll
Thanx for inviting me in on this convo Igor but I can't say i'd be a good character witness since I did not see the pic. If it is what I heard and I was Admin, I would have informed you of the possible disturbances the pic would cause and maybe make the same comment on the post. FF is a global site and in some cultures the post could be offensive or in-offensive. If anything I would open it to the other members as to whether they feel offended our not. - Anthony Farrior
Anithony, thanks for coming over. After I posted the pic and a few Social Media members complained, I left a message on the admin page that if he feels the pic is not appropriate please remove it. The pic was not pornographic but a parody. If we going to censor Friend Feed we have to revise the TOS. - Igor The Troll
Igor: I found the picture to be distasteful. I hid it as soon as it was up on my screen in an attempt to both remove it from my view as well as to keep it from spreading to my friends. If it were posted underneath one of my posts I would have immediately deleted it. That's not censorship. FriendFeed isn't the one deleting stuff: the community is. I hope there's a high standard here that goes above such images. There's plenty of other places on the Internet to post such kinds of images that only serve 2shock - Robert Scoble
Ahhh "2shock". Hmm I'm not in to that kind of stuff so I would have deleted it also. Perhaps a room dedicated to imagery can be made. We shouldn't be overbearing with our ideology. It cuts both ways... - Anthony Farrior
So are we going to have a blanket policy for a whole Friend Feed? - Igor The Troll
"Rooms have become incredibly popular since we launched the feature a few weeks ago. Based on your feedback, room administrators can now import sites directly into a room" - Bret Taylor
