If I'm not mistaken, wasn't there an obscure piece of software that can change these short-cuts? I'm not sure if it's FireFox specific or for Mac or Windows (no help at all, sorry ;), but I'm pretty sure I used it some years ago.
- Vincent van Wylick
Have you tried customizing this setting in OS X System Preferences > Keyboard & Mouse > Keyboard Shortcuts ?
- Alex Barbara
The whole notion of that applications like the browser (or your computer) are routinely "started" and "stopped" is not user-friendly. One does want to be able to do that, but for many it's much less common than the undesirable situation where you need to reset (i.e. quit/restart) because the app is bloating. Session restore tries to get around this, but it's still duct-taped on, hence...
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- j1m
Just download the source, make the small change you need, and recompile! :)
- Gabe
@j1m make your computer suspend-able instead of power shutdown, you won't need that start/stop anymore... besides, I hear complaints about problem of start/stop paradigm mostly from computer-illiterates which are main cash cow for Apple Inc. so I have no wonder -- you can't teach them anythign anyway, so let'em suffer with Macs and Ipods ;)
- A.T.
I'm complaining about the start/stop paradigm. Are j1m and I computer illiterates?
- ⓞnor
Firefox, unlike other apps on the Mac, wasn't honoring the keyboard shortcuts that Mac OS lets you set. ⌘Q may be different; I haven't tried. I ended up writing an extension to redefine some of the keyboard shortcuts. Bleh.
- Amit Patel
@e3r well, you don't complain about turning engine key in your car on and off all the time, do you? you don't blame light switch for necessity to turn on and off your whole adult life... but the notion of starting and stopping program makes you complaining, huh?
- A.T.
I agree with j1m that the notion of opening and closing apps is bogus. Opening and closing “files” is also bogus. Palm OS was nice. I do like Firefox session restore. Mac's Quick Look is another bandaid.
- Amit Patel
silpol, I'm frequently annoyed by having to turn my car on and off. In this case the bigger issue is that I accidentally exited Firefox -- I've never accidentally turned off my car, because they made that an appropriate separate action from shifting, steering, etc.
- Paul Buchheit
People frequently try to turn their cars on when they're already on though. :-) Prius owners (and presumably owners of other pushbutton hybrids) can easily turn their car off when they mean to turn it off because the action is identical and reversible.
- Kevin Fox
Another option is to simply set browser.tabs.warnOnClose to true, since I'm assuming you'll most likely have multiple tabs open anyway
- Aviv
Yes, Apple-Q. I thought it as called "option", though now I notice that there is a different key labeled "option", and other people seem to be calling it "command".
- Paul Buchheit
Is there a problem with starting it again? If you use the session feature, you shouldn't lose your place or anything. And Aviv's suggestion is a good one.
- Tanath
If starting/stopping an app was instantaneous, that would be fine too.
- Amit Patel
Just did it again! I actually have browser.tabs.warnOnClose set, but it doesn't seem to do anything, possibly because I also have the "save session" option set (but as Amit points out, that's far from instant, and of course things are never quite the same when they come back).
- Paul Buchheit
I just don't use tabs. I open every browser window in a separate process, then I don't have to worry about that.
- Gabe
I finally found a workaround to this horrible nightmare. For me, it didn't work to set a global keyboard shortcut in OS X that would change the "Quit Firefox" keybinding, command-Q would continue to do its damage. It also didnt' work for me to turn on browser.tabs.warnOnQuit and set it to true (in about:config or preferences). What did work is install Tab Mix Plus and force it to prompt me whenever FF exited before it saved my session.
- Huy Zing
I do it often enough, that I'm happy I have Tab Mix Plus extension - which I use to improve the tabs, & save all tab sessions, on close.
- clarke thomas
"Obama was reacting to a report Monday in The New York Times on a consulting firm's analysis that found departing Fannie Mae head Daniel Mudd stands to collect $9.3 million in severance pay, retirement benefits and deferred compensation under the terms of his employment contract, provided his dismissal is deemed to be "without cause.""
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
I love the idea that his dismissal could be "without cause" after bankrupting the company and potentially destabilizing the entire financial system.
- Paul Buchheit
Yup CEOs really have it made in this country...You get paid regardless of your effectiveness...nice. Capitalism at its worst.
- Alex Scoble
But hey, that money trickles down, right!? We're *all* going to benefit from these huge CEO salaries!
- AJ Kohn
It's not really capitalism when the government bails out a government sponsored entity.
- Paul Buchheit
Corporatism: "The power of business to affect government legislation through lobbying and other avenues of influence in order to promote their interests is usually seen as detrimental to those of the public. In this respect, corporatism may be characterized as an extreme form of regulatory capture, and is also termed corporatocracy, a form of plutocracy. If there is substantial military-corporate collaboration it is often called militarism or the military-industrial complex." http://bit.ly/1vBJIl
- MikeAmundsen
It's not really capitalism when your pay isn't tied to your performance either.
- Alex Scoble
I don't think that employee pay schemes has anything to do with capitalism. You are free to start your own company and pay people any way you like and it would still be capitalism. I make about $2 / month, for example.
- Paul Buchheit
$2, Paul?!? A *month*?!? That is 24 TIMES Steve Jobs' salary. Are you saying you're 24 TIMES better than Steve Jobs??? :-D
- Karim
He isn't Steve Jobs so that makes him 100 times better in my book...Guess that means Paul deserves a raise.
- Alex Scoble
I vote that we give him a 50% raise for the great work he's done for FF.
- Tudor Bosman
So, friendfeeders, go and become compensation specialists for boards and give suggestions for more, er, fair, packages.
- Rob Schonberger
Although according to Thiel, CEO Salary caps off employee salary ;-)
- Robin Barooah
Does that mean everyone at Apple makes at most $1/year then?
- Paul Buchheit
AmitP: Who was the last CxO who went to jail purely because they did not comply with SoX?
- Thaths
- although I guess what he really means is that it removes a bargaining position from the salary negotiations of professional executives.
- Robin Barooah
Ironically, the problems with those GSEs is that weren't regulated *enough*.
- Gabe
Misregulated might be a better descriptions Gabe, though in truth their real reason for existing was to make it easier for people to buy homes that they can't afford by shifting the risk onto the taxpayers in order to encourage more home purchases and higher home prices, so they worked as intended, but perhaps the plan was flawed from the start.
- Paul Buchheit
I agree: the plan was flawed from the start. But it made lots of money for bankers and realtors..
- Alex Barbara
Only $9.3 million? that's NOTHING in today's golden parachute-driven CEO culture.
- Cyndy
Their real reason for existing is to bring liquidity to the mortgage market, Paul. Before they were created there was no secondary mortgage market, which meant that a bank could only lend money if they had lots of depositors or a mortgage that was already paid off. Backing subprime mortgages was probably not part of the initial plan, and at no point did the taxpayers assume any of the risk.
- Gabe
Why is government intervention required to create a secondary market Gabe? The mortgages resold by these GSEs had an implicit federal guarantee, which is another way of saying that the risk was shifted to the taxpayers. How can you dispute that taxpayers were assuming the risk when this is exactly what happened?
- Paul Buchheit
I'm pretty sure that there was no secondary market before FNMA was created, Paul. And I don't think they guaranteed that the government will pay for your mortgage anymore than the government guarantees that your letter won't get lost in the mail. The taxpayers may be assuming that risk now, but who's to say that wouldn't have happened even if FNMA weren't GSEs?
- Gabe
Obama is the third highest recipient of Fannie Mae money in the Senate, after John Kerry and, of course, Chris Dodd. Cluck, cluck.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
You're right, Jay. Out of the $400,000,000 Obama has raised for his campaign so far, up to 0.025% of it may have been from Fannie Mae.
- Gabe
Gabe: Ok. It doesn't matter that Obama took money from these guys. But I guarantee it would matter if McCain was taking the money.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
Send an email update of my family's doings. OurDoings tells me '35 subscribers for this site. 27 publications since the last update was sent'
- Bruce Lewis
How often do you go through your Flickr traffic logs MG? U has eegul eyes.
- Josh
@josh - life is like a flickr traffic log, you never know what you're gonna get.
- MG Siegler
Hm, interesting if they will give a preview to someone in advance, really dying to know what they are cooking now.
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
Also looking forward to Friendfeed Alpha after that.
- j1m
Loved- "It’s probably pointless to speculate" but I so want everyone to speculate!!! All of your posted suggestions would be great MG.
- michael sean wright
Thanks Alex. I saw this last night and went on a rant to my husband about basic development best practices and how I would assume that any company that knew what they were doing would have a beta. or test. or weusethisbeforepushingitoutsoitdoesntcrash. subdomain. :D
- Cyndy
I was just able to log into the FF beta site! It's so beautiful! My god....it's full of stars....... ;)
- Nathaniel Payne
Nathaniel: No...words...to describe.... should've...sent...a poet? So.. beautiful... you had... no idea?
- Mark Trapp
LOL @ Mark. So am I the only one that enjoyed that movie? I feel like the minority.
- cjmart
HTTP Referer tracking can be used for so much mischief. Create google-acquisition.friendfeed.com in /etc/hosts pointing to your local web server, then post a page that links to louisgray.com or techcrunch or whatever, click a few times. There are probably easier ways.
- Amit Patel
Amit, that's funny. I have used Referral logs to find new sites, like ReadBurner and Shyftr, but I think for the example you mention, I'd do some calling before posting a story, which is what MG did here. :-)
- Louis Gray
"It involved sleep deprivation, the withholding of medical treatment, stress positions, long-time standing, and beating. Sound familiar? According to the Bush administration's definition of torture, McCain was therefore not tortured. ... Now the kicker: in the Military Commissions Act, McCain acquiesced to the use of these techniques against terror suspects by the CIA. And so the tortured became the enabler of torture. Someone somewhere cried out in pain for the same reasons McCain once did. And McCain let it continue."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
Again "like" is a wrong word. Thanks for sharing is the right one. How about offering a reader a choice of words to express the feeling? Well, I guess this comment rather belongs to FF feedback room.
- ǝuǝƃnǝ
Still not sure where I stand on this. I think that there must be a limit to the violence involved in torture. BUT, bad people do bad things, and they are not going to tell us what they are planning if we ask them nicely...even if we say please.
- Bob Blunk
They don't tell you what you want to know when you torture them either. There is some kind of myth out there still running around that says torture works. It does not work.
- Brad Nickel
Didn't we get some of our worst intelligence (about the non-existent WMDs in Iraq) from someone that we tortured? People will say whatever it takes in order to get it to stop.. even admitting they did something that they did not in fact do..
- Alex Barbara
Having the Shrub as prez since they stole the election in 2001 (with 600,000 fewer votes than Gore got) has been a torture to the entire world. Period. Now that McCain's enlisted Rove and his dirty pranksters, I don't know whether Obama will get voted in or not.
- Siddharth Deb
No, the WMD stuff came from a pathological liar. You do get what you want to know by torture if it's performed on the person who has that information. That still doesn't make it right.
- Amit Morson
Bob: Isn't it interesting how many murders and other crimes are solved without waterboarding? And by "crimes" I'm not referring to just pickpocketing - we figured out who was responsible for bombing the USS Cole without torture, too. The world isn't an episode of 24. Here's how we did in in WWII: http://bit.ly/4AGA9K
- David Worrell
This is a really good article. Puts things in perspective.
- Rodrigo Jaroszewski
Torture is an entirely untrustworthy method for acquiring and verifying intelligence, people will in fact say whatever they think the torturer wants to hear, just to get them to stop. Not only is it completely irresponsible military strategy, it's also severely immoral. Anyone that advocates a permissive attitude towards torture should be ashamed of themselves.
- Jason Wehmhoener
from NoiseRiver
Bob, with "bad people" do you mean e.g. the (according to Wikipedia) "approximately 420" Guantano detainees who "have been released without charge"? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) Or with "bad people" do you mean e.g. politicians responsible for pre-emptive strikes against another country under false pretenses, who you think should be tortured in order for us to find out more about what their real motives were?
- Philipp Lenssen
Torture doesn't work, it destroys the reputation of the torturer, and it is the favorite tool of despots, tyrants and sadistic totalitarian regimes. In American popular culture, torturers used to be portrayed as sinister villains, and with good reason. How far we have fallen.
- Sean McBride
The neoconservatives behind the torture policy have repeatedly smeared as "bad people," "terrorists," "traitors," etc. anyone, including mainstream Americans, who disagrees with their extremist program. This is how it always goes with torturers -- they end up torturing anyone who gets in the way of their quest for absolute power. See Stalin and Hitler for two telling examples.
- Sean McBride
Somehow it's still Clinton's fault.
- Chrimmus Tad
we must do what is necessary to protect the United States and bring justice to those that harm it. The prisoners at Gitmo have been treated better than what most of them deserve.Remember people, these are terrorists we're talking about. Those are the people responsible for 9/11, for car bombings and much more.
- David Ward
Wow, here on Friendfeed no less. Are these guys serious with the absolute faith they put in the military apparatus, and so completely willing to waive the rule of law because someone was indirectly associated with "car bombings and much more"? How can you even have a discussion with someone that has so little respect for human rights? Even during WW2 we didn't torture Nazi war criminals. Are these guys worse than Hitler? Is 9/11 worse than the execution of 3 million Jews?
- ⓞnor
I guess I just have to hope that people with a viewpoint like David Ward's ("remember, these dudes are BAD, because someone said so. break out the rack! that'll get us the truth!") are in a fairly small minority and can be overcome through democratic process.
- ⓞnor
People like David Ward have managed to take over the American government under the reign of Bush 43 and the neocons. We live in very scary times, in which every sacred principle of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights has been debased.
- Sean McBride
David Ward - Bush and neocons have been torturing many people for seven years now. Can you name a single high-level 9/11 conspirator that they've been able to convict in a fair trial on the basis of testimony extracted by torture? If not, why not?
- Sean McBride
There are *rules* for dealing with lawbreakers and enemies. And there are far worse things than 9/11. And torture is a moronic way to get information - it's not like we've actually found Osama, for example. But I do like to think that the David Ward-esque medieval viewpoint, while surely near the center of neocon policy, is not the actual will of the American people.
- ⓞnor
Sean, if anything it's the democrats that want to take away our rights not the conservatives. All I'm saying is we have to stand up and defend this country by force or whatever means necessary. You don't know the whole truth nor do any of us about what really goes on or how bad/good the prisoners are treated. I will tell you we treat criminals in our state and federal prisons better than anyone would expect. I'm not advocating torture at all and don't consider waterboarding or similar methods torture.
- David Ward
David -- how long would it take for you, or I, or anyone here to confess to being the mastermind of 9/11 after being waterboarded? 1 hour? 30 minutes? 5 minutes? I repeat: not a single high-level 9/11 conspirator has been convicted in a fair trial on the basis of testimony extracted by torture. People will say absolutely anything under torture (and waterboarding is indeed a form of torture).
- Sean McBride
Sean, I believe we killed many of the high level terrorists. In many cases of so-called torture, we already have evidence. I am all for human rights but my belief is when you kill innocent people you lose many rights you previously had. We're not killing innocent people.
- David Ward
David - you still haven't mentioned the name of a single 9/11 conspirator who has been convicted of committing 9/11 on the basis of testimony extracted by torture. Many of those who have been tortured are innocent of any crimes. The Bush 43 administration has refused to *question* (not to mention torture) one of the lead 9/11 conspirators -- the head of Pakistan's ISI, who wired $100,000 to the hijackers just before 9/11. None of this adding up.
- Sean McBride
Well, David your opinion that one waives one's human rights if one is a criminal, is not commiserate with the last 200 years or so of Western democratic principles, nor does it pass Constitutional muster; in other words, the rule of law. Are you sure you're living under the appropriate system? Perhaps some Islamic countries would be better suited to your values. Most of the tyrannies that would agree with your position were dissolved when the Berlin Wall fell.
- Rick Powell
And btw, the phrase "so-called torture" is Orwellian, at best. The Viet Kong and the Gestapo knew exactly what it was, and so does Cheney. After all, Cheney and John Yoo borrowed the phrase, "enhanced interrogation techniques,' from those war criminals who came before him.
- Rick Powell
Sean: Just to hone your last statement a bit: The first and only conviction to come out of Guantanamo was against a taxi driver. The administration has already admitted that most, not just many, but most, of released and current detainees are innocent. Yet, prisoners have died from torture, a euphemism for murder in these cases, under the aegis of an executive power run amok. These events are not in dispute. I really can't understand why more Americans are not angry about this.
- Rick Powell
See the last three months of my FriendFeed shares for more information, including this article which I shared four hours before Bucheit's. Read Andrew Sullivan's definitive essay: http://tinyurl.com/5kz74w. Find out where the phrase "enhanced interrogation techniques" came from: http://tinyurl.com/3cjw3t If you're not angry, you're not paying attention.
- Rick Powell
"I will tell you we treat criminals in our state and federal prisons better than anyone would expect" David, and that's likely to be one reason for the camp being where it is (Guantanamo): to escape potential restrictions (human rights) imposed by federal prisons.
- Philipp Lenssen
Rick - 1. Andrew Sullivan has done a superb job in covering the torture issue. 2. Americans should be enraged that Bush and the neocons are ruining the good name of America with their torture policies. 3. The taxi driver in question received a light sentence and had nothing to do with 9/11. After seven years of torture, the Bush 43 regime has not managed to acquire a single conviction of a high-level 9/11 conspirator. This peculiar situation raises doubts about the entire 9/11 official story.
- Sean McBride
@Philipp Lenssen: you obiviously missed my point. I never said anything about supporting the illegal acts of our current administration. They hide behind a curtain of secrecy and fear to carryout illegal and immoral acts, this is true beyond doubt. But the fact remains that there are bad people in this world. It amazes me at how soon we forget about all the people that died on 9/11. But nonetheless, BAD people carried out this attack and if torturing even one person would have prevented it. I AM ALL FOR IT
- Bob Blunk
Bob Blunk: 1. The U.S. government tried to block investigations of the 9/11 hijackers before 9/11. 2. The Bush 43 administration has failed to question (not to mention interrogate or torture) the head of the ISI (Pakistani CIA) who wired $100,000 to the hijackers just before 9/11. 3. The U.S. government didn't torture two persons who it claimed were responsible for the 9/11 anthrax attacks: Steven Hatfill and Bruce Ivins. You and most other Americans have been led up the garden path on these issues.
- Sean McBride
Bob Blunk: Do you have some formula for determining how much torture is allowed based on how many lives would be saved? Does it take into account the fact that the person being tortured most likely doesn't know anything?
- Gabe
The whole "ticking time bomb" scenario is one that exists only in the minds of hacks writing for quasi-fascist television shows.
- Rick Powell
Where the hell is MY share? (don't answer, it's a rhetorical question. I must be in the bottom 33 percent :-)
- Dread Pirate PJ
from Alert Thingy
I'm pretty sure it's not accurate. Maybe 33 apps make this much, but not 33% (unless it's 33% of the top 100, or something like that).
- Paul Buchheit
From talking to a lot of Facebook app developers, I am fairly confident that this is not accurate, unless among these 33%, part of the profit is made outside of Facebook.
- Stephan Osmont
doubt there is even 33 that can claim revenues that high let alone profit.
- tonx
33 percent *reported* profits of *up to* $500K/month. My guess is that there's one making that much and then a bunch of others in the *reported up to* category.
- Keith Pelczarski
"up to" is one of those Jedi Mind Trick phrases...
- Karim
does facebook mean bullsh*t in some other language?
- Rob Reed
The other 67 percent make more than $500,000 per month ;)
- Amit Patel
you shouldn't believe that number at all. The data is from surveys and probably misquoted on top of that. Top ten apps don't make those numbers.
- paulm
I take it to mean that about one third of Facebook app makers reported profits, each between $1 and $500,000 per month.
- Gabe
A friend of mine is monetizing his apps at a $4 CPM.. that will require an aweful lot of traffic to generate $500k/month..
- Alex Barbara
$4 CPM is actually really good -- most social network stuff is way les than that.
- Paul Buchheit
"Apple’s iPhone has shaken the cellphone industry, partly because of its design, but mostly because AT&T and Apple have allowed owners to download any number of applications to their phones." Umm.. the app store just opened. Do they mean iPhone didn't shake up the cellphone industry until last month?
- Alex Barbara
from Bookmarklet
I'm curious how big this .me crap will get
- Damien Franco
I agree with @paul about .me. It is just an excuse to sell more domains. (Except for some vanity domains like love.me etc.).
- Alex Barbara
I find it amusing that so many people thought they were going to get those vanity domains. Most people have no chance.. the registries pick a huge list of names that they usually auction off to big spenders first..
- Alex Barbara
Here too: http://www.daniweb.com/forums... - note, many people who buy sites are just looking for traffic and not for real business development opportunities.
- Adrian
A number of ways to profit from the exercise: cross-promote from other sites you run, analyze traffic patterns and work on features most popular, whilst scrapping or overhauling less popular features. Goto faster server. Collect feedback and constantly improve. Tips here: http://cleanzap.com/guide-t...
- Adrian
I agree with @Adrian. Also, lots of the cheap ones are usually spammy and done by people that just build sites for a living. That said, if you could get a good deal on a site that is getting decent traffic, and you can add some great features (using your "mad coding skillz"), you could really take it to the next level. :)
- Alex Barbara
I've had this fantasy to buy, license, equity-share, code-share or contract with an Indian website and recreate it for one's own country. http://www.indianwebshowcase.com/Indian_... (this wiki's search is better than browsing, can use: http://bit.ly/w2SSx) EG a ticketing website: http://www.bookmyshow.com/. I suppose the issue may not be with coding, but finding local partners to reimplement, even still, a proven site has its value. EG Cricket India site >> Baseball USA http://bit.ly/1k9nPs
- Adrian
I think the "take a tour" is well done, I understand what's available to me right off the bat.
- nadim
Thanks! I kept trying to explain what it did to my wife, then I decided I ought to just take some screen shots and show her.. :)
- Alex Barbara
From News.YC: "EasyTweets is an app that I built that allows users to leverage multiple Twitter accounts to promote their web sites, brands, and businesses. I just launched it last night."
- Alex Barbara
As someone who moves the mouse at random positions on the screen while reading (including close-by or over the text), I find the various Friendfeed info popups distracting
Eric, the best of both worlds may be a way to show the info popups when you want them, e.g. through some nonobtrusive info link... because indeed their content can be useful at times (just not at seemingly *random* times). Hovering my mouse over paragraph 1 currently results in parts of text of paragraph 1 or 2 to be hidden. IMO, this is going the similar dark interface road as Snap link info popups or those NYT text-selection popups.
- Philipp Lenssen
I recently discovered that these popups occur when you move your cursor over someone's name.. but it really confused me the first time it happened.. :)
- Alex Barbara
@Philipp: You always have the word of wisdom, sincerly. You're right, too much popups may become annoying. :)
- Éric Senterre
I think popups over links and icons are better that popups over random text. The timestamp popup is really the offender here, I think everything else is fine. The size of that popup and the size of its trigger zone aren't really commensurate with the usefulness of the data it presents.
- ⓞnor
It'd be nice if the hover area was much, much smaller. Maybe just over the comment bubble on the left?
- Mark Trapp
Yeah, that seems about right to me (just the bubble icon).
- ⓞnor
Can you guys ever see the popup, or is it always hidden behind the 2nd time-stamp pop-up that says "Philipp Lenssen posted this comment 5 hours ago"? For me the main pop-up is always hidden behind this one, so it's of no use.
- j1m
The "main pop-up" being the per-person "business card"? It's quite a bit bigger than the timestamp pop-up, so I can still see most of it. (Not the critical "is/is not subscribed to you" part, though.) Also, after the business card pops up, I can mouse over the business card itself, and it remains but the timestamp pop-up doesn't.
- ⓞnor
Yeah. And yeah, only the beginning part is hidden, but that always derails any use I might make of it. So I guess in the end those popups are just crud, like most other pop-ups. But I think if they didn't overlap they'd be useful. Good to know that I can select among them, tho.
- j1m
What happened with this feature? Did FF listen to Philipp or something is wrong on my side? I think that the info was very valuable, but I agree that the trigger should be constrained to hovering over the "call-out" icons or integrated in the profile pop-up when hovering over the name of the poster
- Vlado Handziski
I find myself spending more time on News.YC ("Hacker News") and I really wish my comments on that site were integrated into my FriendFeed. Would you consider adding News.YC??
- Alex Barbara
I am the creator of ycfeeds.com and currently working on integrating News.YC with friendfeed. I have the user authorization down and can post about submissions, comments and votes on submissions a user makes to friendfeed via the API, but the API was designed for the friendfeed service (ff logo and custom message). A News.YC service with its own custom message on actions on News.YC would be nice.
- Tunde Ashafa
What do you think of Google 70/20/10 model. The 10% have gone as far as investing on the things like renewable energy. Is it a good strategy? Is becoming a conglomerate a good strategy that all of the big companies have gone through?
I don't understand what the 70/20/10 model is. Is this related to the 20% pet project time?
- Raphael, Raphael
The rule is 70% of time is spent on core business, 20% spent on things related to core business, and 10% spent on things unrelated to core business. http://money.cnn.com/magazin...
- Alex Barbara
I love it, if for no other reason than it's hard to work on the same thing all of the time. Even if you spend all of your time writing code, being able to flip between different projects and solve different problems is great for helping you stay interested in things. Besides, the 20/10 parts are somewhat optional. If someone is so focussed on their 70 core, they can let the other parts slide for a while.
- Jonathan Lane
"The application will be built in stages. Each stage will be built in every framework before moving on to the next step. After completing each stage, I'll post a new blog entry covering what code needed to be created in each framework and the pros and cons each framework provides." - That's quite an impressive undertaking.
- Alex Barbara
"Under the new plan, parents with two kids in Google day care would most likely see their annual day care bill grow to more than $57,000 from around $33,000. At the first of the three focus groups, parents wept openly. As word leaked out about the company’s plan, the Google parents began to fight back. They came up with ideas to save money, used the company’s T.G.I.F. sessions — a weekly meeting for anyone who wanted to ask questions of Google’s top executives — to plead their case, and conducted surveys showing that most parents with children in Google day care would have to leave Google’s facilities and find less expensive child care."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
Strangely written -- hard to believe this is in the NYT: "Faced with this dilemma, Google decided that the way to solve the dual problems of a too-long wait list and a too-large subsidy was — are you sitting down for this? — to get rid of C.C.L.C. and make the Kinderplex more like the Woods!"
- Paul Buchheit
I found it odd that NYT quoted Sergey multiple times but each quote was disputed by Google PR after the fact. Seems like their PR folks are trying to do some "damage control"?
- Alex Barbara
$57,000 just for someone to watch your kid? Remind me to not have kids for a while..
- Alex Barbara
Slowly but surely the shine will finally come off of Google and reality will set in.
- AJ Kohn
The sense of "entitlement" is pretty stunning to an outsider who is an occasional visitor. It's pretty obvious (to me) that the "gimme" attitude is going to be an albatross around Google's neck when the time comes that their stock price returns from the stratosphere and settles around something reasonable and in line with the true value of the company.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Geez. I don't know one solution that didn't generate new problems as a result of its having solved an old problem. Can't win no matter what in the eyes of the media. Also, this is news-worthy enough to be in the Times?
- Ginger Makela Riker
I have no thoughts on the day care issue in and of itself but people changing "don't be evil" into "do no evil" makes me grind my teeth. http://www.google.com/search...
- EricaJoy
@Paul, agreed -- it's a strangely written story. The writer's bias is clear. Using heresay from employees then vaguely referring to the official statements.
- Sprague D
$57,000 was for two kids... and after the price reductions, it won't be that expensive.
- Michael Leggett
The author feels that employee-provided day care should be a requirement just like health insurance (not sure I agree), but fails to applaud Google's effort to make it available to those that want it. A 700-child waiting list (over 2 years) is unreasonable as is Google paying a $37,000 subsidy per child. I love working at Google... and I want them to stay around. Paying that large a subsidy is irresponsible to its employees and its shareholders.
- Michael Leggett
You could argue that they should just lower costs then... but the main cost is the teachers (as it should be). Google believes teachers should be paid more and I'm proud that they are putting their money where their heart is by doing just that. If you don't want to pay so much, you can always find day care else where, right? Am I missing something?
- Michael Leggett
When I visited HP I noted that they don't have the coffee carts anymore that they used to have. The employees noted that other benefits had gone away too. When the high profitability phase of a company ends, the benefits usually go away. At Microsoft they tried taking away things too, like towels in locker rooms, and the employees rebelled.
- Robert Scoble
wonder what is average daycare costs there, in area?
- A.T.
It's absolutely incredible that day care would cost more than the mean national income ($48,201 according to Wikipedia). I understand that this is Silicon Valley, and therefore not applicable to the rules of the rest of the country, but still...it's astounding.
- Bradley McSpinn
We were paying $21,000 a year for two kids and that was top of the line in Charlotte. In theory I like the idea of company sponsored childcare but in reality I don't want my employer to have any influence over my kids.
- Lori Reed
probably I have to stop bitching about local tax - I pay monthly for not-full-day at kindergarten in about 100 meter from my house about 130 EUR, for full day it might reach 200 EUR/month max, i.e. annually 2400 EUR (~3600 USD)... hmmmmmmm
- A.T.
"Google can’t just have low teacher-child ratios — it has to have the lowest of anybody." - Shouldn't it be high teacher-child ratios? Unless they want more children to less teachers.
- nadim
I had a hard time believing this was a NY Times article when I first saw it. Talks about child care at the beginning, then references a blog post talking about how Google is not a good place to work and then goes on to detail the child care issue.
- Turker Keskinpala
@Michael -- $57G's .. not expensive? ... I don't even make that much in 2 years anymore ..
- Steven Hodson
"If Google had really wanted to do something path-breaking about its day care crisis, it would have spent less time creating elitist day care centers and more time figuring out how to “scale” day care for everybody no matter what their salaries."
- Gabe
Even $33k for 2 kids seems like a lot -- at $16/hr it seems like you could just hire a babysitter for 8 hours a day to watch your two children. For $57k you could just hire a child psychologist full time.
- Gabe
@Steven I didn't mean it wasn't expensive. It is expensive. I meant it won't be as much as $57k. Maybe I'm not being fair... but I thought the article was bias (not invalid). It does raise some interesting issues... are companies responsible for providing child care? Something seems backwards with how we live when we work so much that we expect our employer to take care of our children. I don't know the answer... but good things to think about.
- Michael Leggett
So basically by having my wife stay home and do a superb job of taking care of the kids and the house during the day she is worth about $90,000 a year. Thank you babe! You are awesome!
- Christian Burns
hmmm... let's see, four years ago, i was making $45 000 a year before i quit to take care of my daughter full time while my wife continued her job; because it made more sense than spending my entire salary on a nanny just so i could go to work. plus i get to hang out with my kid(soon to be kids) all day and do cool stuff like help them learn the alphabet, count, play their first casual computer games, go to the park, swim, museums, etc. there's always that option.
- Nathan Eckenrode
It seems like everyone has ideas on how to do this at a lower cost than Google. Maybe someone should open a competing "google" daycare near the Google campus -- from the sounds of it there would be hundreds of eager customers.
- Paul Buchheit
I'm interested to see if these kids actually turn out to be uber-smart. How many of the Googlers went to intense, research-driven, daycares like these?We'll see in ten to twenty years, but at times, one has to wonder how people ever became intelligent without having the latest and greatest learning craze forced down their throat. A better indicator of their intelligence will most likely be how much learning is re-inforced (deep breath here) at home by their parents, instead of video games and TV.
- David Adewumi
I was raised on TV and video games, and I'm very happy with the way I turned out.
- Amit Patel
huh, that's odd, I was under the impression that you were the Senior Executive Vice *Group* Director of VP Coordination & Vision... did you not allocate your synergies properly and get demoted??
- felix
"Senior Executive Vice Director of VP Coordination & Vision" and "Deputy Senior VP of Strategic Synergy" Fantastic! SEVP of VPCP and DSVP of SS...
- Mitchell Tsai
Ah! Interesting :) The funniest is that these guys don't even wear shoes at work, and play with thier bicycles in the office
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
ok pauls title is really wacky - "Sr. Executive Vice Director of VP Coordination & Vision" - like wtf does that mean ? SERIOUSLY !! btw what does "VP" stand for ?
- Peter Dawson
Scott Adams (?): "If it's more than two words, it's not a career"
- Philipp Lenssen
I want Senior Fetchit Boy reporting the Staff Photographer.
- Russellreno
These are beyond fantastic. Can I be your Human Branding Liaison?
- Ginger Makela Riker
I know a guy who runs a 600-person company, and walks around the offices barefoot! Not even sandals. My brother works there - Rhythm & Hues Studios - http://rhythm.com
- Mitchell Tsai
Another company I helped rented a house at the beach - rather than a traditional office. Lot of fun having meetings there. They took surfing breaks for lunch.
- Mitchell Tsai
I think i need to include those in full in all posts from now on
- MG Siegler
longest title i've ever seen - you could have thrown in an acronym!
- Allen Stern
You need a staff librarian. No, really, you do. I'm available, and like most librarians, I work cheap.
- cecily
Did you guys steal these titles from Yahoo?
- Eric Eldon
Is Ana still the "Chief Miscellaneous Officer" or does she go by a different title these days? Also, I'd like to know the other FFers' titles.
- April Buchheit
Did you get to make up your own? The coolest title I've seen has been for a Microsoft employee - Professional Geek (before he worked there his title was Amateur Geek)
- Craig Thomler
I actually have an outstanding diplomatic relations issue with wyoming. Who would I talk to about that?
- Phil G
So Bret, what's your title ? (This kind of culture is the kind that spawns neat stuff. Always has, always will. Keep it up!)
- Charlie Anzman
Mine is "Supreme Allied Commander." I was always jealous of NATO.
- Bret Taylor
I'm a little scared that some people don't seem to realize it's a joke.
- Alan Cheslow
And here I was soo confused thinking Bret was the CEO! hehehe (ok he really is guys!!)
- Susan Beebe
I just noticed Casey has Asian strategy in Wyoming? yo what?! - that's funny!
- Susan Beebe
Do you have any Master Squirrel Hearders (project mgrs) yet?? that's my specialty
- Susan Beebe
I really want a title too. If I bring all the Mommybloggers over...I better get one dammit
- Erin @queenofspain
So is Casey's job to reach out to those parts of the world that twitter works?
- Nancy Babyak
I got mine this morning: "Kevin Fox - Comptroller Third-Class, Tiger Team V" We are so going to kick Tiger Team III's ass at this year's interoffolympics!!!
- Kevin Fox
haha! I wish more work places were like this.
- Tsega Dinka
I'd like to be the senior vice associate president of all things that the senior executive vice director of vp coordination and vision doesn't see.
- Robert Scoble
Nice job title Paul! Did you try to max out the characters that would fit? :)
- Alex Barbara
so what she's saying is that you have to fail in order to win? finally the question scientists have been pondering for ages has been resolved: FAIL == FTW.
- Biao
"Delivering a commencement address is a great responsibility; or so I thought until I cast my mind back to my own graduation. The commencement speaker that day was the distinguished British philosopher Baroness Mary Warnock. Reflecting on her speech has helped me enormously in writing this one, because it turns out that I can’t remember a single word she said."
- Alex Barbara
When I read the first comment I thought this was about Hillary Clinton. :)
- sebmos
This makes me think of the exploration-exploitation dilemma. Learning, exploring, requires that we occasionally make mistakes.
- Laurence Gonsalves
Kind of reminds me of a line someone once told me "into every life a little rain must fall " Thanks for sharing this - its brilliant - and I just sent the link to my 19 yr old who is a sophomore
- viki saigal
Rowling rocks- I remember reading an article about when she was starting out- She was so so down, that she lived in her car. She is one extraordinary lady !!
- Peter Dawson
sebmos - HRC didn't fail. The votes just weren't counted correctly. :)
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
"You might never fail on the scale I did, but some failure in life is inevitable. It is impossible to live without failing at something, unless you live so cautiously that you might as well not have lived at all - in which case, you fail by default."
- Erhan Erdogan
Loved the speech, the video captures so much of the depth of emotion behind her words!
- Pokai