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El. Oh. El. You gotta be some sort of stupid to friend your boss before your probation period is up. Fired in front of friends and family? PRICELESS. - Anika

She's a f*ing idiot. A similar thing happened to a friend of mine at an ad agency, who accidentally texted "my boss is a fucking cunt" ... to her boss. She didn't get fired or reprimanded, but she freaked out about it. - LANjackal

It floors me how much people openly vent about their jobs on public feeds like FriendFeed. Even if your boss isn't a direct contact, how are people so sure that a boss or co-worker won't stumble across it? - Mike Doeff from iPhone

If I have complaints about work, I try to mask them as much as possible or make them more about me personally than the job itself. At the same time, I really try to stay mum about any job I have.. - Jon, the Beartato of FF

Mike and how are you so sure that other people don't know who you are talking about? There's a person here on FriendFeed who complains about their coworker. Even though I live in a different city, I know that coworker. - Anika

+1 Anika. I generally refrain from talking bad about my employer/coworkers ANYWHERE online. Even on anonymous accounts. You just never know who might freak out and file an unmasking court order. It's happened before. - LANjackal from IM

It also doesn't matter if anyone sees it when you write it, because The Google sees it and records it for anyone looking for it years from now. - Trish R

Maybe the more general rule that comes into play here is to never say anything about someone you wouldn't tell them to their face. - Ken Sheppardson

Well said Ken. - Benjamin Taylor

What an idiot... When people claim we don't need guidelines for employees using social media, I just have to point out cases of extreme stupidity like this... - Badger Gravling

Ouch! Hope she learned the lesson. And +1 Ken, this is the simplest rule not to forget at any point. - lelapin

this is huge! - Loic Le Meur

OH those lessons learned the hard way. - anna sauce

This is great! Don't bite the hand that feeds especially if you're friends on FB. - Gabe Diaz from iPhone

Why friend your boss in the first place, especially if all you do is complain about the job? - Adrian McMillan

Ouch… :P - Daniel Schildt

Well someone has to make room for other people! From the sounds of it, she was probably already canned anyway. - Robert Fisher

Well that was a bit dumb. The thing about social media is it's just so much a part of our lives. We are encouraged to pour our views and feelings into it but we have to remember who is going to be reading it. In the end we have to censor ourselves so as a result our lifestream is a watered down stream. There are no directors cuts. - Parvez Halim

Absolutely priceless! - Robert Couture

Oh and I forgot the LOL. - Parvez Halim

this is something that may occur very often. More than we think! - Rui

@Rui I remember a colleague of mine did a similar thing. Luckily they got away with a written warning and no pay rise for that year. - Parvez Halim

HUGE! - Nathan Guetta

Interestingly, every time I consider complaining about my job via any social media platform, I stop and think "how can I make my job better? how can I improve myself?" and then end up writing about that instead. It has made me a much happier person. Really. - mike fabio

OMG ! this is awesome - Franck Nouyrigat

OUCH! - Retno Nindya

:). Well it's okay for both of them. It sounded like the employee was really unlucky to got this job. He hated it deep inside. The "Boss" don't need people which don't love their work, ASK YOURSELF: What's more worse? Being fired after posting you real thoughts somewhere, or keep on working without having a bit of joy or patience on the job and face serious health problems after some time? - Ryo / Fuck Facebook

.. and that's why I'm private. I'm pretty good about not talking about work, but never know when I may say something completely stupid - Rodfather

I think there is a serious point here: Your on-line social network pals will be supportive of you regardless of whether you are right or wrong. That's what friends are for, kind of. All the boss does is let in a bit of reality. - sjjh

Maybe she wanted to be fired by her boss? Just questioning... - Torsten Eckert

Splendid. Too bad the story isn't real. OR IS IT...? - Francesco Balducci

I do so love the false sense of anonymity the Internet instills in people. - matthew john ernisse

haha! - orionstarr

Where did you get this? I'm trying to verify that it is actually a real event. Looks too 'perfect' and to generate this much hype I believe it is just two friends that wanted to laugh about how stupid the world is... - Brian J. Reeves

I wondered the same myself. The language suggests it's from the UK - LANjackal from IM

... or somewhere else where the British style of speech dominates - LANjackal from IM

April - you can't imagine how many people e-mailed me screenshots of this :) - Charlie Anzman

I wish I was here in order to press the "Like" button. - Clément Cailly

social media and your boss don't mix well :) - Dave Q

Net Promoter Score is how the world's best companies now keep track of how happy their customers are. - Robert Scoble

I've heard it discussed a lot lately from a wide variety of companies (it's easy to get, only need to ask your customers one question), and at Rackspace it's almost a religion. - Robert Scoble

Wonga is the company and said its NPS is better than Google, which means it's very high. - Robert Scoble

We use it widely for all our online brands at Reed Business Information - Jim Muttram

Those companies with a high NPS will grow quickly without spending money on advertising. Spotify, for instance, has a high NPS and is getting 50,000 downloads a day here in Europe without spending money on advertising. - Robert Scoble

NPS is about more than just one question, if it's used right. It's about providing value to your customers, listening to them and acting upon what they say. Read Reichhelds book, the ultimate question. - Wouter Trumpie

Wouter: true, but many of us hate answering surveys so if you can keep them short you are more likely to get surveys answered, which is why I talked about that aspect of it. - Robert Scoble

definitely agree, should keep the surveys short and use the ultimate question, but you also need to interpret and act on the answers to the one NPS question. Why do or don't you recommend our product or company etc. Some companies just seem to measure NPS, because everybody is doing it, and do not do anything with the feedback they get, which is wrong. - Wouter Trumpie

essentially it is about how many people are talking about you and form the tribe for you.. hence this reduces the advertising spend for the company.. NPS = Evangelists i am guessing.. - aditi

For balance, here is a link to research regarding NPS called, "A Longitudinal Examination of Net Promoter and Firm Revenue Growth" - In summary, Using industries Reichheld cites as exemplars of Net Promoter, the research fails to replicate his assertions regarding the “clear superiority” of Net Promoter compared with other measures in those industries. - http://contextrules.typepad.com/transfo... - David Gerbino

quite agree that NPS alone is not enough. Actionable feedback and trending is still needed. NPS as part of consumer feedback brings some order to often widely variable responses. - Andrew Cresswell

NPS done right can be very powerful. Very few companies only ask one question -- not even Rackspace. They use the NPS approach, in which you not only ask about likelihood to recommend, but also about WHY. They pass the individual customer feedback directly to the team members who can do something about it. It's the ultimate in actionability. By the way, that article David G references is bunk. Don't just read the text, but pore over the data. For a look at the data, see: http://is.gd/1mmo7 - Rob Markey

Are company utilizes this NPS. Ultimate Question! - Mark Williamson from BuddyFeed

Rob Markey, can you find a credible source of an opposing view of NPS? I always try find an opposing or different view on topics such as these. There are so many NPS evangelists out there and for someone to make a decision to use NPS, or anything new, based on just one side of a concept is not always the wisest move. Did I drop the Customer Satisfaction studies I project managed in... more... - David Gerbino

David, The most credible arguments against NPS generally come from the market research/statistician angle. It is absolutely true that the math of NPS (a single question-derived number collapsing an 11-point scale into 3) makes it less precise than more sophisticated (complicated?) indices. In our experience, you lose roughly 5-10% of the predictive discrimination when you drop to a... more... - Rob Markey

Rob, good comment with some great quant numbers in support of your points. I tend to side with the "market research/statistician angle" group, however, when working directly with the frontline, the NPS types of approaches are much easier to conceptualize. When managing for change, sometimes the best method is not the most statistically accurate. - David Gerbino

I love using Spotify, it really is simple and has nearly every track on there that I'd want! Not sure how much bandwidth it uses, as that might be a problem on Mobile Broadband. Are writing up/putting individual videos up from your time in London? - Steve Farnworth

The norwegian Music service - @wimp from @aspiromusic is far better! http://wimp.aspiro.com/site... - robert sørensen

Steve: yes, I put a bunch up at http://www.kyte.tv/scobleizer (including one with Spotify) and a few more at http://scobleizer.blip.tv - Robert Scoble

robert: why? Can I use Wimp in USA? - Robert Scoble

Mobile version coming soon. Adverts still not annoying enough to pay for it....yet. - Andrew Cresswell

we are loving Spotify in London, it's so popular it's setting off it's own memes http://jonathanfromspotifyruin... - Ian Crocombe

hmm - Rajeev Prabhakaran Nair

Spotify is awesome but I've had quite a few buffering issues when I've used it. It's probably down to my Internet connection but they really should try to work around that somehow. I mainly use it to previews albums in full before downloading them, so it's bearable. - Tony Ruscoe

The speed and quality of Spotify are amazing. I've been a subscriber for a while now - best 9€/month I've ever spent :) - Jan Ignatius

Robert: thanks for the link, will give that a watch! Shame I missed you guys, couldn't get to the Tweetup! - Steve Farnworth

Is the lack of US presence a US copyright issue? Or careful rollout? - Andrew Cresswell

Spotify also lets you send your listening history to http://last.fm, so you can keep your music profile updated. its a great service; search is really fast, streaming starts almost instantaneously, xml based playlists you can share, adverts are not that often and iphone app on the way. they dont seem to be catering for developers much at the moment with just the libspotify API for linux clients. If they nail that then i foresee see good things happening... - hearn

Andrew: careful rollout. Doing live streaming costs a lot of money and they need to have advertising salespeople and way to monetize. - Robert Scoble

I dont think so, you still have to be invited to use it and Aspiro/Wimp is not overflowing us with inivtes either. Wimps GUI and specially the option to buy song/albums without creditcard (charging your mobile instead) is good. Spotify is better when it comes to sound quality, but Wimp has promised to fix this soon. - robert sørensen

Americans got Hulu, (some) Europeans get Spotify. Of course there's always proxies. Spotify now has higher quality option for subscribers \0/ - Petteri

Spotify is truly a phenomenon over here, Robert. - Iain Baker

Spotify has been so successful over here (esp. UK) that it is no longer novel, and considered normal internet use by many! I love it. - By_tor

Yeah I've been using Spotify for a while now, its great! Still has a few gaps in its music service and recently seems to have removed one album I liked, but in general has most bands/genres covered and apparently constantly adds new stuff. - Roy Herrod

I love Spotify, it makes me seriously wonder why I have so many gigs of music in my iTunes library. I can't wait till the Android version comes out; for me at least it's then game over for my ipod. - Christian Cable

Spotify saved my life, i have been going 3 years without listening to anything new, simply because i don't have time to look for new music. Now i use spotify every day (and pay 10€/month for no ads). Using the playlists its so simple to discover new artists. And a shameless plug... me and a friend made a little site for sharing spotify playlists: http://listopify.com :) - Lasse Johnsen

Rumors say they are hoping to open in the US and release several mobile apps towards the end of the year. - Lasse Johnsen

I loooove Spotify :) There's another service too, called Voddler (it hasn't opened to the public yet). Which is also a swedish service, like Spotify but for movies and tv. - Patrik Johansson

Spotify hasn't made it yet? Wow - at least you still have Pandora - we got that then it was cruelly taken from our grasp - NMInet

Sportify is cool, but have been addicted to Last.fm for a long time. I know they are not exactly the same, but similar enough for me not to change. On top of that you have to listen to commercials if you want the free version, which I am not a big fan of - Asgeir

spotify is great. blip.fm is superb, with very nice social network features. - Liviu Barbat

Here in Canada (and most places outside the US) we are blocked from Hulu, Pandora and many others. Is it wrong to feel a little glee about a service that's not available in the US? - Kevin Fair

Spotify has major drawbacks in that the content is limited when compared to others (check out http://www.we7.com) and you have to download a client to use it. There are much better options. The interface is also unimaginative - a darker less functional version of iTunes. - Angus Neil from iPhone

Love Spotify. It's simplicity is a strong point IMO. Angus is it true we7 plays an advert before every song? - Roland Harvey from iPhone

Roland, I agree its relatively simple to use but it doesn't give you the visual experience or easy to use but advanced features (such as queueing up a playlist, creating a personal playlist, one click purchase, sharing/embedding etc) that We7 does. Also, having a number of computers (home mac, work pc, netbook ubuntu), flexibility for me is key - when I can stream any music I want in... more... - Angus Neil

it'd be 50k plus one a day if they'd make it available to us yanks. - motownmutt

Can't get spotify in Italy- even with an invite - but what about http://grooveshark.com ? their catalogue is unbelievable !! - Nicholas Paul Gordon from iPhone

A much needed Twitter update, many didn't understand how poorly it worked as it was. - Ben Hedrington

Sweet, now I can stop tracking that externally - I had a summize search fed into a FriendFeed virtual friend on a specific list just to pick up stray @dpritchetts: (http://search.twitter.com/search...). How were you tracking it? - Daniel J. Pritchett

lol @Mona - Corvida

Follow me and I'll give you a Whopper. - Rudy Amid

Mona, I'd be concerned about the pimping yourself out on Facebook bit. It's only legal in Nevada. And I'm not sure about online. - Cyndy

Amazing what NASA training can inspire... - Badger Gravling

Woow.. Didn't see that coming! - Bernie Connors

Um,...... Uh...... Hmm. OK - Jim Bednarz

Best line of the day: This was made by a former NASA engineer. If he were still on staff, I’m sure we’d all be on Mars by now. - Brian Bufalo

I agree with most of the reasons - but, sometimes I like when people make it short and to the point. if they had the ability to write more than 140 characters, they probably would have sent loooong, bothersome email instead. - Orli Yakuel

Actually, there is this great solution to the problem. I think it is called "e-mail". It is really fascinating stuff. I am not sure why people insist on DMs. - Rob Diana

Rob: most people are lazy and aren't willing to look for an email link if one isn't provided. - Robert Scoble

@Rob - posting your email address as-is on the internet is just inviting a ton of spam. It's hard enough dealing with my daily influx of mail as it is. - Her Lindsay-ness

Lindsay: my email has been on my blog for eight years and I don't get that much spam. That's what Gmail is good at: blocking it. - Robert Scoble

I had commented on the blog directly, but why is it so hard for Twitter/FriendFeed/etc to provide an email user link? That seems like a simple solution to the problem. - Rob Diana

the way I see it, Twitter's DM isn't a replacement of email, altough Facebook's messaging might. - gabo

Maybe an option to accept or not DMs (account-wide) will do the work for all who like them or not imho :) - George Tziralis

I'm working on an extended profile on http://twitwall.com as a way to try to steer people towards communicating with me more efficiently. I'm always trying to figure out a way to do things the most productive way possible. - Jannifer @wordsforliving

I think we found this weekend's bitchmeme! - Rob Diana

If Twitter added RSS to the direct messages page, you would be able to read them on your Google Reader and add tags over there the same way you do on gMail in order to priotize. Responding would require you to click to the Twitter page and respond, even with a longer text because you installed the Twitzer firefox plugin first that enables you to have longer twitter messages on Twitter.... more... - Bart Muskala - AdNerd Sr. from twhirl

If people were trying to use DMs as email to reach me... yeah I'd hate them too! I think all of your points are very valid ones. But as the feature is called 'direct message', which could also be 'instant message', it's for something quick that requires a response that is as equally short and sweet. I don't hate the feature. But in your shoes, I would hate how people are using it. - Wendy Peters from twhirl

DM's were not intended to replace email but its usage is currently very similar to it. - Jay

wow! when you put it like that, 'why DM sucks' makes sense. i have less that 100 DMs on TT so i've never had to consider the issue of scaling up to deal with 1000s of messages. - .LAG liked that

dm's for me are a hitelisted SMS that doesn't leak my phone number. Extremely useful. Scoble following the entire universe spoils the whitelist. Twitter dropping SMS support for DMs outside the US made this less useful, as getting DMs on my UK phone was very handy - Kevin Marks from twhirl

My wife and I often use Twitter DM's when she's at work. She doesn't always hear text messages to her cellphone, and she runs Tweetdeck on her desktop there in any case. More to the point, as Twitter is seamless between desktop and cellphone, it doesn't matter if she's in or out of the office. She also points out that she prefers Twitter when she's in the office to SMS, as it's easier to type on her PC keyboard. - Ian May

The solution seems simple to me... Twitter DM, Facebook Messages, LinkedIn messages, etc should be sent to my email.. I should be able to reply to the message from email and have the service treat it as a DM / Message. This way I can still treat it as I do my email while the sender can protect their email address. - Bastard Operator From FF

What I don't get is why people respond to my public tweets with DMs, thus forcing a conversation that I WANTED public into being private. And 99% of the time this happens to me, it's not anything that needs to be private. I'd just respond back with an @ reply, but the public conversation is already broken. - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF

Sean, that is what I have been trying to say. I do not understand why it is such a problem. - Rob Diana

Rob: the problem is one of revenue, I'm sure. If facebook (for example) sent messages to my email and let me reply there, I wouldn't log into facebook, see their ads, etc. It's a standard Walled Garden problem driving traffic is more important then the service - Bastard Operator From FF

Sean: I understand that, but if Facebook, etc. made the ability to respond via email something you had to opt-into (not the ability to be responded to in this way, mind, since the email will be transformed back into whatever service it originated from) with the understanding that the email notifications would have their ads in them I'd be fine with that. - Jason Penney

I don't understand: Twitter DM, Facebook Messages, LinkedIn Messages, all end up in my email Inbox. That doesn't happen with you? - Glen Campbell

Glen: the issue is that you either can't read the whole message or you can't reply to them via email. Twitter would be the one I'd see difficulty responding to via email due to the 140 character limit. As a user of Basecamp, I've seen what happens with reply-by-email: 90% of the time, the signature gets added to the reply because reply-by-email parsers are pretty bad. - Mark Trapp

And there are limited options as to what goes to your inbox. - Chris Baskind

Thought Bart Muskala made a good point. I guess many people here more or less live in their GReader. If twitter included RSS on DMs then with the better GReader lifehacker scripts you could easily view DM page without leaving GReader, as well as tag and sort and search them. - Peter Efland

Wayne and Jannifer are on the right track. Has anyone come up with a process for managing what they do online yet? I'd love to read it. I would be in favor of an independent place where we could set our preferences for where replies and contacts are sent. By independent I mean Open Source with the data protected from Corporate or Government access other than to feed date IN and get limited data OUT. It would take someone with far more developed skills at privacy and security to know what would be required. - Internet Strategist

There is so much room for improvement in the way Twitter works. I look forward to seeing Jennifer's work in action and I believe that Internet Strategist and Wayne are putting up great thoughts and ideas. - Robert Miller

I prefer DMs to @s any day. I hate making my Twitter feed noisy for a response that is only intended for one person. - Tamar Weinberg

Here ya go Robert -- http://scobleizer.com/2008... - Jay Cuthrell

Doesn't Jason run a value-added wiki competitor powered by the sweat of interns? It's cool if that model works for him but I don't know if a country should collectively give up 50% of their days off rather than fixing systemic issues like horrific inefficiency. - Daniel J. Pritchett

In JasonWorld, it appears family time is a luxury, not a requirement. - Hutch Carpenter

Does Jason have a family other than the dog? - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Tina: The dogs and the Tesla, I think ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Michael Pollan (In Defense of Food) was on Bill Moyers last week discussing this very topic. Very insightful & supports Stowe's argument http://ur1.ca/vzx - Mark Schulz

"don't consider it a job". yes, well but it is a job and that is the whole point. - sofiagk

and by the way looking for smn who "does not consider it a job" is usually the sign of a company that pays pittance and expects blood in my experience. - sofiagk

There is something fundamentally wrong with Jason's proposal and this not family life and personal time elimination: a 20% increase in production that will generate 0% additional income for those contributing the extra time, will mean 0 jobs creation for a lot of years. Is this an exit from the crisis? - Nikos Anagnostou

Yay for Laura! Librarians represent. :-) -

Are you putting it in the comments at TwitTip or posting it online? If you post it online let me know and I'll add a link to it from http://www.growmap.com/top-nic... - Internet Strategist

Thanks very much for these lists, Mike! - Pilgrim Five

Thanks for the mention Mike, I'm honored. - Mike Reynolds

great list. always find kool new followers - (jeff)isageek

Great list, Mike! I've found several good links just by checking this month's peeps. - Bill Sodeman

Thank you so much Mike for the recommendation! I'm honored to have my name included with everyone on the your list..I love friendfeed! Thanks Lewis, I have the deepest respect for you and what you do for the community! lol - Michael Fidler

Love your lists Mike!! Those short bios are great! - Susan Beebe

yeahhhhhh 9) Morton Fox ,,, Morton is currently the heavyweight "liker" on FriendFeed. He currently has an astonishing 24,355 likes on FriendFeed. - johnpiercy

Wow, Mike - thanks! Here I am thinking, "oh, goody, Mike's list is out" reading along and hearing about some people I don't follow yet and, well, hey, whaddaya know, there I am. Criminy, I gotta post some of those half-written blog posts languishing on my desktop. - Laura Norvig

+1 for Zee, Morton, and Mike Reynolds ... I also recommend Zee's Apps room: http://friendfeed.com/rooms... - some awesome stuff in there. The rest I'm not too familiar with, so I'll have to check them out :) - Tim Hoeck

:) two of 'my' FFers are on the list. That makes me in some way cool - keep it up, you're making me look good! :) - WorldofHiglet

Thanks so much for the mention. I am really honored, and am in great company! - Lorraine Ball

thanks again for the inclusion, very honored! - Adam Singer

Thank you for the mention. This hit while I was away so it took a bit for me to figure out where all the FF love and new people were coming from :) Sometimes I'm slow like that... lol - Leslie Poston

All of you guys rock. Thank you for being such an integral part of the FriendFeed community. - Mike Fruchter

+1000000 for Zee. That guy is all kinds of awesome. And it was great to see Morton on the list. - Mark Wilson

Hutch (in GROWMAP's list) doesn't actually appear to do anything here. - MiniMage, sheeple of FF

Nice idea for a post, but its all very echo chamber people. How about those outside SoMe to get diversity of info? - Mark Edmondson

Netbooks have consistently been some of the more popular Amazon PC buys for the last several months. Apparently they're not perceived as bogus by a bunch of folks. Atwood likes his: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog... - J.D. Deutschendorf

I like mine too! And you can tell the people buying them know what they're doing. THey're buying very functional machines, and not buying ones that we tried and didn't work out so well, like the 7-inch screens with too-small keyboards. They're getting hard disk with enough capacity to carry enough music and movies to make the netbook the equiv of an iPod for plane flights, and it actually works -- has enough battery life and your arm doesn't get tired holding the thing so you can see it. - Dave Winer

or one could carry a couple of SDHC cards in ones wallet and plug them in there depending on what one wants to watch or listen to ;) - turn.self.off

I'm getting an MSI Wind for Christmas - actually the whole family will be using it. It's already here - and I'm waiting oh so patiently... - J.D. Deutschendorf

bah... there are better phones out there than the iphone. show me the iphone mk 3 or 4.... - Terry O'Fee

There are two phones in this world : ones with good cameras and ones with 2 mega pixel camera? - Alastair Montgomery

@Alastair, almost all the photos on my SmugMug were with the iPhone. http://friendfeed.com/louisgr... Look great to me! - Louis Gray

I dont call something a phone unless it is used 50% or more as a phone. - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

@Louis, true they aren't bad but when most other cell phones passed the 2MP barrier a while back seems a bit of a lapse to me. One thing we can thank the iPhone for is raising the design bar for other cell phones. - Alastair Montgomery

The appeal of the iphone camera is not in quality but in immediacy. A proper camera takes proper pictures. An iphone shares pictures on the internets, location and all - without hassle. Companies would stop marketing specs and features to us if only people would stop being guided by them. If only "users" would take a moment to observe their own actual use of those feature ridden devices. - Alexander Kohlhofer

@Alexander, I thought you couldn't send pictures over MMS with the iPhone, doesn't sound like easy sharing to me? - Alastair Montgomery

It's about software. S60 reminds me of Windows 3.1. Add a fat processor and graphics card, you're still using a clunky interface. - Rodfather

Am I the only one who actually likes using S60? - Tyson Key

The new lineup of phones from Nokia, Samsung, and Sony devices can do all iPhone does and in some area's with better specs.. and Android is not a phone, it's a platform ;) ..only thing Apple does better then the others is marketing and creating a hype around thin air. - Pascal

How many people use there 'real' 6-8 MP cameras on full quality? I would venture that most drop the 'quality' to save memory and drop the resolution to somewhere equivalent to a 2-3 MP camera anyway (not all you tech bloggers of course). The main issue with the iPhone is the lack of video, which is becoming more apparent with the uptake of services like qik - Alistair (alpinefolk)

Once you have used an iPhone or an iPod Touch, Symbian looks so 10 years ago. (I have an E61i) - Zio Bonino

Like Bud guys' said, "True, true..." Same confessions we all had i guess http://tinyurl.com/5o3j3h - Olcayto Cengiz

Are developers excited to write apps for anything other than the iPhone or Android? I don't see anything like Ocarina on other phones. OSX on the iPhone is the most exciting platform I've seen in a long time. - Rodfather

Jobs does not care about developers. Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. - scott anderson

True dat. The attention to detail And User Experience are light years ahead of the rest of the pack. - vijay

Apple fanboys. They're always good for a giggle.. - Terry O'Fee

@Terry heh - somehow I am managing just fine without one and will continue to do so. I would like an iPod Touch, however. :) - Mattb4rd

I am an Apple fanboy but bought an Nokia N82 recently. Why? Because an iPhone sold by, in my case, T-mobile is not an iPhone yet. I wait till Apple finalises the iPhone and sells the finished product in the Apple store. - Henk de Kruyff

smacks of kool-aid to me; love the iphone, love it but a closed/controlled environment is no way to win if you're confident you're the best; the bulk of people will stick with whatever nokia / the carriers are incentivised to push and first and foremost they want a phone, for now - Bob Sonin

Well written argument on how not to be a doofnutt and own a Blackberry( which I do). So I'm a doofnutt, now what happens? Hahah - Terence

I have to admire a man who dares confess his love of the iPhone to those who just can't get past the apple juice. Integration, ease of use, sheer elegance and panache are not appreciated by those with other priorities. Intangibles to personalities not in tune with subtleties. It's the software, stupid. - Phil Boiarski

I'm 28 years old, I have never owned a cell before the iPhone. It us now closer to me than my right hand LoL. - Kevykev

Hmm. I think 99% of people I know love the iPhone for the features also found in the Touch. They just don't prefer to carry around a separate phone. They also mostly hate AT&T. Lots of iPhone love, but it's almost entirely for the non-phone-related features they can get with a Touch. Lots of frustration, too, though, mostly phone-related. - abacab

We have an iPod Touch (shared with the wife), and I do like it a lot. We also have cellphones with AT&T. It would be nice to have one less gadget to carry around, so the next time we replace the cellphones it will probably be for two iPhones. - DGentry

Meh. I love my Android G1. It does everything I need and then some. And it has a better camera than the iPhone (at least we can do macro photography without having to buy a special case with a lens enhancement), we can type more easily on the full keyboard, and we have a nice trackball to make fat-fingering a lot harder to do. You can keep the iPhone and AT&T (AT&T is the main reason I didn't get one before the G1 came out). I'm happy with my Android. - Her Lindsay-ness

I am loving my iPhone - my new office phone (plugged in of course)... awesome! - Susan Beebe

Flash News: The World != The US. That said, I'd not take any phone which won't let me develop for it without paying someone else. - Yuvi

I ditto everything Lindsay just said, especially the part about AT&T =P - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

With all of the things my iPhone does not have such as a high quality still and video camera, digital compass, background notifications for all my apps (especially Facebook and Google Talk) and maybe a digital TV and radio tuner, I still don't care for any other phone. I show it to friends and family and they are instantly sold. The latest update by Google Maps for public transit is just killer. - Rolf Schewe

I loved the post, and totally understand...for me it's more important to get quality out of what I could create with an N97, than the quality of the phone itself when I demonstrate it to people...but that's a fairly unusual perspective by the looks of things...I like the iPhone, but would love N97 functionality with it! - Badger Gravling

Others may not agree with my conclusion, but every time I see a "non-iPhone" now, I know people are selling themselves short. And every time there are new applications developed for the platform, Apple's lead gets bigger. - Louis Gray

I stopped in to a Verizon store to try out the Storm. I walked out about 30 seconds later thinking the exact same thing... there's 2 phones. iPhone and not iPhone. - Fraser

@Fraser: I haven't had a chance to try out the Storm yet. What did you not like about it? - Jay

@Jay - they removed the things that used to make the BlackBerry a BlackBerry (and a good alternative to the iPhone in some people's eyes) and tried to make a phone that could compete head-on with the iPhone. The touch screen felt like a toy, clicking to select a key was odd, the UI was not intuitive nor natural for a touch screen, etc. By going down this path they open a direct 1:1 comparison with the iPhone. Which is a brutal mistake. - Fraser

Having purchased my iPhone just a short 3 days ago, you are preaching to the choir of the converted Louis. Now lets see how long it takes me to migrate my computer from PC to Mac :) - Mark Krynsky

wait... more coming - jfayel

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