Can I get one for the body as well as the face?
- Dion Almaer
Very interesting. Hope they post the download link soon so that we can all play with it.
- Brady Brim-DeForest
It seems as if the main problem with most people in the examples shown is their forehead is too short or too narrow. Wonder if there's a subtle clue that big brains are beautiful there! :)
- Lindsay
@Jason - that's an interesting concept. Would you be more likely to trust the girl on the left or right? Would you be more likely to talk to either one of them at a party (or more intimidated by either one?).
- Lindsay
Notice that for all the women they soften the jaw, while squaring it for men. Everyone also gets a slightly thinner face and upturned almost smiling lips.
- FFing Enigma
@SB yeah and the forehead adjustment... almost like there is a triangle with the forehead at the point and they flip it so the chin is the bottom of the triangle... weird.
- Lindsay
They are different women! Blame Paul! : )
- Erhan Erdoğan
Lindsay: whenever sketching generic faces, the face starts as an inverted triangle and the eyes appear a third of the way down from the top of the forehead; lips and nose appear below and above (respectively) a line 1/3 up from the chin. Looks like these pictures are rearranged to meet that particular school of drawing.
- FFing Enigma
That is interesting yet odd. Seems that the faces are slendered with the software.
- Jim Goldstein
from twhirl
I wonder what would come out of applying their algorithms to face of black or asian person? Different countries have different concepts of beauty.
- arty
This technology should be made available in eye glasses, just imagine how much better your work day can be!
- Claude Betancourt
Paul - Think you should definitely add the option. "Click here to be beautiful without the expense of plastic surgery! .... and you may even get more 'Likey's" :)"
- Charlie Anzman
Some of the stuff coming out of Siggraph this year is really freaky. How about combining this with the automatic video editing stuff? ;)
- Joe Beda
without a doubt amazing. It's incredible how subtle the changes are yet massive difference.
- Zee.
Huh, that's pretty crazy. Creepy, but cool. :)
- felix
I haven't read the paper, but I wonder if it adapts to different notions of "attractive" (that changes from culture to culture ...)
- Rui Pires
+1 @Claude I was thinking the same thing! Incorporate this software in wearable monitor glasses, and the whole world would be beautiful! I'll bet we can look for these on the shelves in the U.S. just before November. Social media and reality enhancement software have put Winston Smith out of a job.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
do i sense another manga-style meme starting?
- anna sauce
So, if it turns me into Gilbert Godfried... what does that mean?
- Ⓒⓗⓡⓘⓢ Ⓟⓘⓡⓘⓛⓛⓞ
You know, if these guys had gotten together with the realtime video+photo enhancement folks and approached the Beijing Olympic Comittee then that singing girl in the opening ceremonies might not have had to been replaced with a body double. (Yeah, I just brought three of this week's biggest memes together. I'll be here all week.)
- Kevin Fox
The artist proportions were laid out by the Greeks as the perfect human, that's not being used here. This beautification engine, I think, builds on top of a previous study where some students tried to mathematically identify attractiveness. They had participants rate the attractiveness of head shots from yearbooks. What they found was there was a high correlation b/w the geometrically "average" face and high attraction. That "average" is based on the proportions of the di
- xero
stances between the individual elements of the face and their relative sizes. IIRC the software adjusts elements so they statistically/geometrically complement each other. It's not actually working toward a golden set of proportions, but a set of proportions appropriate for the individual as defined by the masses. I wouldn't think of it as "facial discrimination" so much as "deviation from ones potential".
- xero
I'm waiting for the first Facebook application that automatically enhances your profile picture like this. Every social network should run this on the avatars. Beautiful people!
- Benedikt Koehler
Can you imagine the controversy if dating sites got a hold of this?
- xero
@paul automatically apply it to all profile photos, huh? are you sure you ready for results? check my picture - try to see wonderful cossacks writing infamous letter to Turkish Sultan :)
- A. T.
I wonder if they'll turn Mickey Mouse into Mighty Mouse
- Dave Q
this will have a lot of practical applications to create a (virtual) world of beautiful (or more acceptable facially) people.
- Apostolos Tsompanopoulos
Just a complicated high tech implementation of beer goggles.
- Hayes Haugen
This is what came up as the top Google hit for paul buchheit friendfeed.
- Spidra Webster
I just read the first comment and may I ask why we should apply it automatically to all profile pictures??? Who are we gonna kid that way?!
- ambidextrous
You don't understand. The door doesn't BECOME a jar; the door IS a jar. The door is still a door, even while being a jar.
- Gabe
@johnpiercy - fan=admirer or the ceiling/table fan(the one that circulates the air, keeping it cool). The joke is that you become/are turned into a table fan and not the former.
- Space Cowboy
Holy smokes that was funny! Bookmarkleting to Facebook as well.
- Mark Davidson
FF team really needs to read the feedback page on the FF Facebook app. People *hate* that FF is updating their status, rather than just posting to their wall. At least give us a FB option to decide whether FF should update status.
I do read the feedback and I have commented a few times. The Facebook API call the FriendFeed Facebook application used has been deprecated. The new API call updates your status when you post something that doesn't have an "attachment" (a link, photo, video, etc.). Things on FriendFeed that don't have those things (native FriendFeed entries without media, Twitter updates, Google Talk,...
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- Benjamin Golub
Basically the things that are status updates elsewhere (Twitter updates, entries on FriendFeed made without the bookmarklet, etc.) become status updates on Facebook. Other things don't.
- Benjamin Golub
Hi Benjamin... would it not be possible to have an option in the FB app like "post items without attachments on my wall as links", where the link is either the item itself (e.g. the original Twitter update permalink) or the same item in FF. I know it's not exactly elegant, but so many FF/FB users don't want their status changing with each tweet... this would get you guys a lot of goodwill.
- Julia
I'd like to do it by service, or case by case for native FF posts (like xposting to Twitter). At the very least, could the FF app not tell me every day that it's unable to update my wall when I have updating turned off? That's annoying as hell.
- Jandy
i guess my point is she could be Japanese or Chinese or Korean or Singaporean or Taiwanese and you really couldn't reliably tell just by this picture...just like you couldn't tell if i was descended from German or Scottish or Polish or Norwegian stock.
- Joe The Sausage
it does! especially for korean lovers like me. now let me watch my new korean movie to see some more.
- Ercu
I grew up in Hawaii. I know the different looks. Maybe you can't tell the difference. And it didn't matter until you just brought it up.
- Josh Haley
the majority of my friends are from Taiwan or mainland China or Singapore or Malaysia or Japan. none of them really consider it an issue unless someone gives them a hard time about it. perhaps i didn't grow up knowing the difference, but i have learned it well over the past 15 years since joining a Malaysian family that is ethnic Chinese.
- Joe The Sausage
don't make any assumptions about me and what i may or may not know, okay?
- Joe The Sausage
"you really couldn't reliably tell just by this picture." later.
- Josh Haley
I'm sorry to disappoint but she's Canadian. Eh? :P
- AJ Batac :)
sheesh. i wasn't singling you out, Josh. s/you/one is that better? and yah, she may be descended from Korean or whatever, but maybe she's a Canadian or summat? again, it hardly matters unless it matters to her. later, indeed.
- Joe The Sausage
"Boy, that escalated quickly... I mean, that really got out of hand fast." .... "Yeah, there were horses, and a man on fire, and I killed a guy with a trident. "
- Zulema ⋅ spicy cocoa tart
"For the past month Friendfeed has been running a new version of the site through their beta URL but yesterday like flicking on a light switch the beta became the live site for everyone; whether you wanted it or not. Unfortunately even under the glare of the light Friendfeed is still the ugly looking site that it was as a beta."
- Chris Charabaruk
from Bookmarklet
The "ugly" goes deeper than just the look. FriendFeed at present is a confusing,time wasting bit of crap. This new stupid layout was not ready to go live
- Colossal Marketing™
I actually like the layout, although the colour scheme is absolutely horrendous.
- Chris Charabaruk
from IM
Well, I'm going to stick with FriendFeed. But I'm not going to stop bitching about it.
- Chris Charabaruk
from IM
Taking your ball and going home is no way to deal with problems. You got to take them head on and fight, if necessary, to get your resolution.
- Chris Charabaruk
from IM
@Steven I'll know when it's just banging my head when I get to that point. For now, though, I'll keep raising issues and hoping they'll be fixed.
- Chris Charabaruk
I agree - the new look is horrible and removes so much quality functionality that Friendfeed a good tool
- Anthony Feint
@Steven, I did a search over FriendFeed Beta and FriendFeed Feedback and couldn't find your feedback. We do read all the feedback in those rooms. Sorry you felt that you weren't being listened to. Feel free to post what things you'd like to see, or to email us at feedback@friendfeed.com. Thanks!
- Ana
@Steven, thanks--we'll definitely take a look, although we generally have an easier time keeping up w/ the stuff left in the feedback room rather than on individual users' feeds. Also, we do read every email sent to feedback@friendfeed.com. Thanks!
- Ana
I left a few comments on this story over on http://friendfeed.com/friendf.... We're definitely listening to the feedback and will continue to refine the interface in the coming weeks.
- Paul Buchheit
absolutely agree with almost all points of this article - thanks for collecting them, really! this switches from "emotions" to concrete things, which is great.
- оптимистичный салат
There were functions I genuinely liked _and used_, such as being able to go to my feed and find just a single services' posts. In particular, I'd view my Backtype feed in FF because that was the easiest way to keep track of my blog comments. (Since Backtype itself does not have a "view by services option" and my FF comments overwhelmed my blog comments over at Backtype itself.)
- Andrew C (✓)
Having all service icons visible was quite useful as well for updating those which were much slower for it. As well, it's better to show all a user's services at once rather than those preselected by FF; after all, on my feed page it certainly doesn't show my actual blog when I'd rather it did.
- Chris Charabaruk
Andrew, if there's a service selection that you frequently accessed, you may want to create a "saved search". For example, http://friendfeed.com/search... will show all backtype entries from your friends (you can click "save this search" to add to your sidebar). Chris, I agree, you should be able to select which services are featured -- that was the plan, but we haven't quite gotten to it yet (soon).
- Paul Buchheit
<threadjack>That kitty kills me every time I see it.</threadjack>
- Lix
Paul - ah, yes, that works. Thank you! I guess then my gripe, more generally, is that features might not have been _removed_, technically, in that the search functionality has been greatly expanded, but... moving a bunch of handy if special-case functions into the expanded search obscures the functionality.
- Andrew C (✓)
<tjreadkack> Do you think you could bring back the kitty on your home page?? <threadjack/>
- Chris Loft
if indeed the core engine was significantly reworked (as I've understand the FF team sayings) - and the majority of users _indeed_ love the new version (dunno) - they will never restore it at any form - the problem is how to tell them (kindly!) about the particular features we miss and the particular customization settings that would be great. And maybe create something like "migration...
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- оптимистичный салат
@Chris - bitching is a perk, do abuse it.
- ianf ⌘
obz - I don't think I understood a single word of what you have just said. Except for the bit I didn't like. Leave the kitty alone. Don't worry, he'll be back. -[
- Chris Loft
@chrisloft sorry, what particularly you have not understand? the passage about kitty(removed it) was far less important than other things: request for list of the particular features we miss, customization settings that would be great, "easy migration to new.UI of FrF pieces-of-info", add-ons & customization scripts (1. Stylish https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US..., 2. Greasemonkey https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US..., 3. http://userstyles.org/styles...) - that can be useful
- оптимистичный салат
Oh, that is rich <http://tinyurl.com/cku4cp>. Steven bitches about not being listened to ("acknowledged"), and then, when Ana tells him no voice of his could be found in Feedback, refers her to do "a simple search" of his timeline. Because, see, "FFeeders" have all the time in the world AND RESPONSIBILITY to read every Hank, Dick and Jane's bitching in all their private feeds. And then...
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- ianf ⌘
Thank you @obz (I don't think there's any need for that type of language, thanks for deleting it) - if you mean bring back the little service icons, then I agree with you. I'm sure that further customisation settings are bound to appear down the track, once Bret and the the rest of the hard-working team here have sorted out some of the more important issues. Personally, I don't want to have to resort to scripts and add-ons and become reliant on any particular browser.
- Chris Loft
@ianf yep, seen it - that's probably not good - however some friends of mine and I personally (probably being egocentric also) are also guilty for not providing any 'official' feedback on beta until it became not beta (sorry) - BTW, wow, how have you created link to the particular comment?
- оптимистичный салат
<threadjack>obz, are you using Firefox? If so, you can use Firebug to check out the generated HTML for pages. Each comment has a particular id set for the <div> tag in which it dwells; link to the post page, then append # and the id value for the comment.</threadjack>
- Chris Charabaruk
@obz - created granular link by searching for that commen't leading string in the source of the page, extracting id="c-content" associated with it, then tacking that onto the permalinkable page's url preceded by an #. Then submitted the entire thing to tinyurl.com. This could be alleviated a lot if FF implements this my suggestion: <http://friendfeed.com/friendf...>. Now go there, and "like" it a lot!
- ianf ⌘
@coldacid , @ianf 10x! - yep, will do- the feature automating this would be cool
- оптимистичный салат
Steven, how is FFeedback, where I saw it, a private feed? I stand by my opinion, your complaints of not being "acknowledged" when you did not even bother to learn where to post them, and then (and still) expected others to search public timeline and/or Twitter's own for your precious, yet so apparently unappreciated words, are wholly UNRESONEABLE. FFeeders are not here for your benefit; you and the rest of us are here at their pleasure (rtfm).
- ianf ⌘
Steven: I agree with you. I think the friendfeed team should have done one more round before turning on the full site design and said "this time we mean it, we're about to go live in a week and we need to know what is missing." On the other hand, I do see some value in just pushing ahead. At least now we're all giving real feedback on the same UI and things can move forward from here.
- Robert Scoble
Congratulations, Robert, on yet again missing the point, which FYI was this: <http://friendfeed.com/friendf...>, and not whether FF should have announced going Beta in advance, or (better yet) waited another round until... yeah, until what, Permission from Higher-Ups? Robert Scobles of this world? you tell...
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- ianf ⌘
The new friendfeed has a much slicker, robust and much better designed interface. Any time a switch is done on a website people will throw their arms up and wet themselves. These people who can not cope with change happen to be a large portion of the problem we face right now. We being web designers, developers...and oh yeah the United States.
- Braden Douglass
The site is pretty cool,but the video quality is not good.
- Steve Chou
Um... do you know how OLD those TV shows are? And the video quality is not an issue of that site since the author is using YouTube's API... :\
- Mona Nomura
from IM