It reminds me of the old joke published in /Mad/: “Q: What does the starship Enterprise and toilet paper have in common? A: They both circle around Uranus looking for Klingons.”
- John Lam
i guess my point is she could be Japanese or Chinese or Korean or Singaporean or Taiwanese and you really couldn't reliably tell just by this picture...just like you couldn't tell if i was descended from German or Scottish or Polish or Norwegian stock.
- Joe Silence
it does! especially for korean lovers like me. now let me watch my new korean movie to see some more.
- Ercu
I grew up in Hawaii. I know the different looks. Maybe you can't tell the difference. And it didn't matter until you just brought it up.
- Josh Haley
the majority of my friends are from Taiwan or mainland China or Singapore or Malaysia or Japan. none of them really consider it an issue unless someone gives them a hard time about it. perhaps i didn't grow up knowing the difference, but i have learned it well over the past 15 years since joining a Malaysian family that is ethnic Chinese.
- Joe Silence
don't make any assumptions about me and what i may or may not know, okay?
- Joe Silence
"you really couldn't reliably tell just by this picture." later.
- Josh Haley
sheesh. i wasn't singling you out, Josh. s/you/one is that better? and yah, she may be descended from Korean or whatever, but maybe she's a Canadian or summat? again, it hardly matters unless it matters to her. later, indeed.
- Joe Silence
"Boy, that escalated quickly... I mean, that really got out of hand fast." .... "Yeah, there were horses, and a man on fire, and I killed a guy with a trident. "
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
"For the past month Friendfeed has been running a new version of the site through their beta URL but yesterday like flicking on a light switch the beta became the live site for everyone; whether you wanted it or not. Unfortunately even under the glare of the light Friendfeed is still the ugly looking site that it was as a beta."
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
from Bookmarklet
The "ugly" goes deeper than just the look. FriendFeed at present is a confusing,time wasting bit of crap. This new stupid layout was not ready to go live
- Colossal Marketing™
I actually like the layout, although the colour scheme is absolutely horrendous.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
from IM
Well, I'm going to stick with FriendFeed. But I'm not going to stop bitching about it.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
from IM
Taking your ball and going home is no way to deal with problems. You got to take them head on and fight, if necessary, to get your resolution.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
from IM
@Chris at what point does it become nothing more than banging one's head against the wall. Having watched the discussion about the beta from the day it was available it is easy to see that no one is listening - or at least that is sure how it appears. If I'm be acknowledged even in the slightest - especially when what I am saying is being echoed far and wide here on Friendfeed - then I'll go hang out on Facebook or stick with Twitter or maybe even become more involved with Live.com
- Steven Hodson
@Steven I'll know when it's just banging my head when I get to that point. For now, though, I'll keep raising issues and hoping they'll be fixed.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I agree - the new look is horrible and removes so much quality functionality that Friendfeed a good tool
- Anthony Feint
@Steven, I did a search over FriendFeed Beta and FriendFeed Feedback and couldn't find your feedback. We do read all the feedback in those rooms. Sorry you felt that you weren't being listened to. Feel free to post what things you'd like to see, or to email us at feedback@friendfeed.com. Thanks!
- Ana
@Steven, thanks--we'll definitely take a look, although we generally have an easier time keeping up w/ the stuff left in the feedback room rather than on individual users' feeds. Also, we do read every email sent to feedback@friendfeed.com. Thanks!
- Ana
I left a few comments on this story over on http://friendfeed.com/friendf.... We're definitely listening to the feedback and will continue to refine the interface in the coming weeks.
- Paul Buchheit
absolutely agree with almost all points of this article - thanks for collecting them, really! this switches from "emotions" to concrete things, which is great.
- obz
There were functions I genuinely liked _and used_, such as being able to go to my feed and find just a single services' posts. In particular, I'd view my Backtype feed in FF because that was the easiest way to keep track of my blog comments. (Since Backtype itself does not have a "view by services option" and my FF comments overwhelmed my blog comments over at Backtype itself.)
- Andrew C
Having all service icons visible was quite useful as well for updating those which were much slower for it. As well, it's better to show all a user's services at once rather than those preselected by FF; after all, on my feed page it certainly doesn't show my actual blog when I'd rather it did.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Andrew, if there's a service selection that you frequently accessed, you may want to create a "saved search". For example, http://friendfeed.com/search... will show all backtype entries from your friends (you can click "save this search" to add to your sidebar). Chris, I agree, you should be able to select which services are featured -- that was the plan, but we haven't quite gotten to it yet (soon).
- Paul Buchheit
<threadjack>That kitty kills me every time I see it.</threadjack>
- Alix Whitmire
Paul - ah, yes, that works. Thank you! I guess then my gripe, more generally, is that features might not have been _removed_, technically, in that the search functionality has been greatly expanded, but... moving a bunch of handy if special-case functions into the expanded search obscures the functionality.
- Andrew C
@Andrew that is part of the problem - everything is obscured. Imagine aomeone coming here for the first time .. some new to things like social media except how cool Twitter is because Oprah said so ... I would bet they wouldn't have the slightest clue about what to do. It was hard enough with the previous version of the site but it is ten times harder now
- Steven Hodson
"...but we haven't quite gotten to it yet (soon)." That statement is true of the whole beta version. Send the beta back to the lab and return us to the version that was far more functional. As the article says, "Why all of a sudden am I have to make more work for myself in order to use this service?" Amen!
- Polly Potter
<tjreadkack> Do you think you could bring back the kitty on your home page?? <threadjack/>
- Chris Loft
if indeed the core engine was significantly reworked (as I've understand the FF team sayings) - and the majority of users _indeed_ love the new version (dunno) - they will never restore it at any form - the problem is how to tell them (kindly!) about the particular features we miss and the particular customization settings that would be great. And maybe create something like "migration...
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- obz
@Chris - bitching is a perk, do abuse it.
- ianf ⌘
obz - I don't think I understood a single word of what you have just said. Except for the bit I didn't like. Leave the kitty alone. Don't worry, he'll be back. -[
- Chris Loft
@chrisloft sorry, what particularly you have not understand? the passage about kitty(removed it) was far less important than other things: request for list of the particular features we miss, customization settings that would be great, "easy migration to new.UI of FrF pieces-of-info", add-ons & customization scripts (1. Stylish https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US..., 2. Greasemonkey https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US..., 3. http://userstyles.org/styles...) - that can be useful
- obz
Oh, that is rich <http://tinyurl.com/cku4cp>. Steven bitches about not being listened to ("acknowledged"), and then, when Ana tells him no voice of his could be found in Feedback, refers her to do "a simple search" of his timeline. Because, see, "FFeeders" have all the time in the world AND RESPONSIBILITY to read every Hank, Dick and Jane's bitching in all their private feeds. And then...
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- ianf ⌘
Thank you @obz (I don't think there's any need for that type of language, thanks for deleting it) - if you mean bring back the little service icons, then I agree with you. I'm sure that further customisation settings are bound to appear down the track, once Bret and the the rest of the hard-working team here have sorted out some of the more important issues. Personally, I don't want to have to resort to scripts and add-ons and become reliant on any particular browser.
- Chris Loft
@ianf yep, seen it - that's probably not good - however some friends of mine and I personally (probably being egocentric also) are also guilty for not providing any 'official' feedback on beta until it became not beta (sorry) - BTW, wow, how have you created link to the particular comment?
- obz
<threadjack>obz, are you using Firefox? If so, you can use Firebug to check out the generated HTML for pages. Each comment has a particular id set for the <div> tag in which it dwells; link to the post page, then append # and the id value for the comment.</threadjack>
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
@obz - created granular link by searching for that commen't leading string in the source of the page, extracting id="c-content" associated with it, then tacking that onto the permalinkable page's url preceded by an #. Then submitted the entire thing to tinyurl.com. This could be alleviated a lot if FF implements this my suggestion: <http://friendfeed.com/friendf...>. Now go there, and "like" it a lot!
- ianf ⌘
@coldacid , @ianf 10x! - yep, will do- the feature automating this would be cool
- obz
@Ianf you ended up in what was originally something that was posted to a 'private' feed - which it isn't unless you lock it - so even a simple search of the public timeline I am sure would turn item after item of people saying much the same thing - as would a Twitter search .. as would probably a Google search. As for the egocentric part - ya .. right .. whatever you say
- Steven Hodson
Steven, how is FFeedback, where I saw it, a private feed? I stand by my opinion, your complaints of not being "acknowledged" when you did not even bother to learn where to post them, and then (and still) expected others to search public timeline and/or Twitter's own for your precious, yet so apparently unappreciated words, are wholly UNRESONEABLE. FFeeders are not here for your benefit; you and the rest of us are here at their pleasure (rtfm).
- ianf ⌘
@Ianf first off I will agree that maybe I should have made all my little quips about what I felt was wrong in the Feedback room. that said those two rooms you mentioned were already full of people saying exactly the same things - that got us far didn't it. So whether I posted the one line comments in the 'right' room or not is just a deflection from the problem. Whether or not my words...
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- Steven Hodson
Steven: I agree with you. I think the friendfeed team should have done one more round before turning on the full site design and said "this time we mean it, we're about to go live in a week and we need to know what is missing." On the other hand, I do see some value in just pushing ahead. At least now we're all giving real feedback on the same UI and things can move forward from here.
- Robert Scoble
Man - I can't even post a link on FriendFeed anymore? that's ridiculous. Now any link I post takes me to FriendFeed from the RSS & not to the link. That's just about a deal-breaker for me!
- Steve V
Congratulations, Robert, on yet again missing the point, which FYI was this: <http://friendfeed.com/friendf...>, and not whether FF should have announced going Beta in advance, or (better yet) waited another round until... yeah, until what, Permission from Higher-Ups? Robert Scobles of this world? you tell...
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- ianf ⌘
The new friendfeed has a much slicker, robust and much better designed interface. Any time a switch is done on a website people will throw their arms up and wet themselves. These people who can not cope with change happen to be a large portion of the problem we face right now. We being web designers, developers...and oh yeah the United States.
- Braden Douglass
@Braden considering that the most vocal of the people not liking the change are designers, early adopters and people with some pretty strong geek cred I think you point is extremely unfounded.
- Steven Hodson
The site is pretty cool,but the video quality is not good.
- Steve Chou
Um... do you know how OLD those TV shows are? And the video quality is not an issue of that site since the author is using YouTube's API... :\
- Mona Nomura
from IM