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Piaw Na
Why I left Google - JW on Tech - Site Home - MSDN Blogs -
In such an environment you don’t have to be part of some executive’s inner circle to succeed. You don’t have to get lucky and land on a sexy project to have a great career. Anyone with ideas or the skills to contribute could get involved. I had any number of opportunities to leave Google during this period, but it was hard to imagine a better place to work. But that was then, as the saying goes, and this is now. - Piaw Na
My experience doesn't mirror James'. Clearly Google isn't the same company it was when I joined 7.5 years ago. In some ways it is actually better. If I am going to work at a big company, Google is the best I've seen. Honestly, you couldn't pay me enough to go back to Microsoft. At some point I'll leave Google... but to Microsoft? Of course, the 'you couldn't pay me enough' might be just... more... - Joe Beda
Joe, what does a level 70 mean ? - Space Cowboy
They're cleansed of all operating thetans? - Andrew C (✔)
Ah -- the mysterious Microsoft level system. Back in the old days, they had levels that were pretty chunky and are similar in some ways to Google. Things started at 9 for engineers out of school and everyone was expected to make it to 12. Moving past 12 was hard and those were considered super senior engineers. Lots of times doing that really, practically required moving into management. Note that management at Microsoft at that time might be one guy managing a single other guy. Pretty lame. - Joe Beda
Starting in 2000 (Comp 2000) Microsoft did 2 things. They set the target comp to be higher (75th percentile vs. median for the industry? Don't remember the numbers) and they also expanded the levels. They doubled all of the levels and assigned everyone a new level. New engineers out of school were 59. Level 12 actually got split into three levels -- 63, 64 and 65. - Joe Beda
As Microsoft stagnated, there were much fewer people calling in rich and the pressure on career growth increased. There was a certain amount of grade inflation and a need to provide a reward structure comparable to the old days when the stock was doubling every 18 months. They ended up introducing the 'partner program'. This started at level 68 and the comp is pretty crazy. Also... more... - Joe Beda
Now, my understanding is that the partner program is actually limited to something like 700 people. This means that competition to that level is pretty fierce and those guys have to prove themselves. Also, in recent years, they've been working on creating more of a career path for ICs. They aren't there yet but clearly things are improving. - Joe Beda
As for level 70 -- that is the next strata above partner. It is VP level. Comp is really pretty crazy then. I've never been there so I don't have a lot of first hand experience. I think for ICs the title is Distinguished Engineer. - Joe Beda
What's an "IC"? - Andrew C (✔)
IC = Individual Contributor. Meaning an engineer that is concentrating on technology and not management. In my mind it is a good sign if a company has room for high level ICs. This is one of the things that attracted me to Google. - Joe Beda
If I was into testing as much as JW sounds like he is, MS isn't necessarily a bad choice. They have some pretty awesome test technology, e.g. Joe, is Dave Cutler still the only senior distinguished engineer? - Private Sanjeev
Yeah -- test is a Big Deal at Microsoft. As for Cutler being a the only senior DE -- I have no clue. It looks like he is a Technical Fellow: Here is the DE list: Dave's bio is out of date so this whole thing may be old. - Joe Beda
It's amazing how not minting new millionaires regularly causes a re-jiggling of corporate culture and ladders. :-) - Piaw Na
What are you talking about Piaw, Google still mints new millionaires regularly :) - Private Sanjeev
Yes they do. But in a very weird political way that's opaque. :-) - Piaw Na
It's completely transparent -- just get a Facebook offer :) - Private Sanjeev
The thing with Microsoft and partners is that it is a steady state thing. These people have target comp every year going forward. I get the feeling that Google is doing a bunch of one time grants and such. It is more scatter shot than Microsoft. I can see pluses and minuses to both. The scattershot model seems random and bad for morale but keeps people on their toes to deliver. The steady target comp model encourages complacency. - Joe Beda
No, the new Google secret packages are a steady grant every year. It's a fairly large grant. Of course, getting one requires quite a bit of political skill either on your part or on the part of your manager. - Piaw Na
Heh -- I've only seen/heard about the one time grants. Some of them have been pretty eye popping though. I must not be cool enough :) - Joe Beda
Why do you think I had to start charging for my negotiation services? - Piaw Na
I'm pretty sure I'm doing okay. ;) - Joe Beda
I'm sure you are. I'm always surprised by the disparity of pay amongst otherwise similar engineers playing similar roles in big companies. The spread is quite incredible, indicating that ability to play the political game is more important than just about anything else when it comes to pay. - Piaw Na
An interesting thing that I've seen is that the game tends to be different at different companies. For instance, there are plenty of examples of high level managers and engineers at Microsoft that played that game well that flamed out when put in a new environment like Google. It takes time to learn the new game and some otherwise smart people just can't do it. - Joe Beda
That's a phenomena well understood and documented in the book, Chasing Stars: Highly recommended reading if you really want to understand the background behind contextual performance. - Piaw Na
Dave Cutler -- Second-hand info: in '07 I was given to understand that he has always wanted the top title, alone. As the organization grew and he had to share it, they created a new one for him, one notch more impressive. Of course, as his bio states, he is "generally considered one of the top programmers worldwide". - Ace
Kevin Fox
It's been 2.5 years since Facebook acquired Friendfeed. Let's raise a glass for a moment and give thanks that the service is still running. I can't think of another acquired service that has continued on so well in a mothballed state.
This message motivated by the announcement that AOL is shutting down Brizzly after 18 months. - Kevin Fox
You guys really designed it well! *cheers* - Spidra Webster
I wonder how long it will stay open after the IPO exodus? - Todd Hoff
friendfeed kapanacakmış :/ - feraye
I am still in awe at how well FriendFeed was designed and implemented. Even mothballed, it remains light years ahead of the rest. Well done, Ana, Ben, Ben, Bret, Casey, Dan, Gary, Goutham, Jim, Kevin, Paul, Ross, Sanjeev and Tudor! - Stephen Mack
Yup. Even with little maintenance, it's still a better tool than anything else out there. Yet people keep going to whatever the "new black" is... - Spidra Webster
Stephen +1 - Ahmet Yükseltürk
The FriendFeed team are like prophets of social networking interfaces or something and don't seem to get credit for it. It's amazing how all the hot new ish is still borrowing from FriendFeed and FriendFeed's illegitimate children. - Rahsheen
shhhhhh! someone at FB will hear you and remember it's still going! ;) - holly #ravingfangirl
I'm glad it's still here. I hope we continue, unnoticed in a dark corner of the Internet and the Facebook data center. - Eric - Let Me Know
Stephen, I liked that you alphabetized the employee roster, but you need to swap #2 and #3. - Kevin Fox
Kevin: Good catch. Fixed. - Stephen Mack from iPhone
Excellent. - Kevin Fox
I imagine it's quite like this: - Akiva
ditto Rah. - Jim #teamFFrank
Love it, Akiva! "We've switched off the datacenters one by one and FF is still running. *shrug* So be it." - Kevin Fox
I really wish I'd trusted those folks who speculated that things would keep cranking along... I'd actually have suggested FF as a platform for a couple different online communities. You suppose we're at a steady state at this point? - Ken Sheppardson
Has anybody heard Bret mention FF lately? - Ken Sheppardson
He sometimes wakes up from a deep sleep with the word 'FriendFeed' on his lips. He's usually covered in sweat. Don't ask me how I know this. - Akiva
I'm one of the folks who speculated that things would keep cranking along. But I also thought Facebook would succeed in bringing a near-FriendFeed experience to Facebook in two years. I was wrong about that. Today I'm concerned that the original team doesn't use it as much -- Paul comes in and Likes things (April's gone), Bret is barely here. I think it would be easy for FB to let it go. But I'm thankful it's lasted this long. - Bruce Lewis
Would be pretty killer if they got around to open sourcing the whole thing. - Ken Sheppardson
YES (all of the above) - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
Ken, isn't that Tornado? - Akiva
FeedBurner? :) - Louis Gray
Louis, was Feedburner mothballed when it came into Google? - NOT THE CRICKET
Mothball would be a fantastic name for a newfangled service. - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
It is really amazing. And, AJ, I loved your post. - Mary B: #TeamMonique
What Stephen says. :-) - Maitani
Akiva: No, Tornado's just part of the system. I want to install a turn-key, behind the firewall FriendFeed system in much the same way I'd install Wordpress or Drupal. - Ken Sheppardson
FF like service for companies? Groups for projects and depts... - Me
Yep. I'd kill to have FriendFeed in place of IRC, Campfire, Yammer, etc... Although come to think of it, Yammer might be the closest. - Ken Sheppardson
Yammer doesn't look like its self-hostable which I know many enterprises would prefer to control and "own" the data. - Me
Ha-ha, Micah, Mothball is a great name for some kind of cloud storage! As far as FF NOT being mothballed, it may have something to do with Bret having a soft spot for it and his being so high up in the Facebook hierarchy. - Laura Norvig
I like to imagine the friendfeed servers being like WOPR from War Games 2. Sitting all alone in some remote location, completely forgotten, nobody has any idea what it really is, just chugging along. - April Russo
I just remember how excited I was when this tool started out. Now I essentially use the e-mail digests to see the latest posts, but haven't had the heart to discontinue them. The service definitely struck a chord with many of us. - Phil Ashman
Cheers!! - Count Caturday
Facebook is down (in Europe, at least), but FriendFeed is up. :) - Jemm
Ken, self-hosted FriendFeed would really interesting for companies. Yes, yammer works (we use it,) but isn't a *great* real-time conversation tool what one would really want? Add to that owning the data and it's a winner. Based on its performance in "mothballed" state, I'd hope the person $$ in administration would be low, too... - Eric Borisch
Maybe we shouldn't have said anything. Seems flakey today. Maybe they're getting things cleaned up to release it as OSS! :-) - Ken Sheppardson
Louis Gray
Storming the Googleplex at 8 wearing the uniform of social networking history. :)
Photo on 2012-01-27 at 07.57.jpg
Tell them, tell them the stories. Tell the children about the great social network. Let them learn and build a better future. #soapbox - Eric - Let Me Know
We are all Friendfeed. - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
Hush, Chris. - Jenny H.
*dusts historic self off* - Laura Norvig
I <3 Cristo. - Louis Gray
And no, I am not wearing a Google+ shirt. I am wearing a FriendFeed shirt. :) - Louis Gray
Dont 4get, underall that SAWG.. he's wearing his Google+ boxers !! - Peter Dawson
Prove it, Peter. :) - Louis Gray
I'll leave that to Barry of SEW to prove !! ..LOL - Peter Dawson
do you have spare t-shirt? I'd be happy to spread FF round Groupon - Bojan Babic
Woot! - Kevin Fox from iPhone
Ich bin ein Friendfeeder... - RobertoC
Apparently FriendFeed shirts attract the opposite sex… - Amit Patel
h... - Key Rabara
I am so happy that I am not the only one who still likes this site so much! - Space Cowboy
I don't have any Friendfeed swag but I cherish my FFundercats coffee mug - A Gunny named Slickback
hawwt - sofarsoShawn
Karen Wickre
Huge for Google nerds: delightful Craig Silverstein (really, employee #1) is departing the Goog for @KhanAcademy.
Piaw Na
Google Targets Rival Facebook With Tough New Privacy Policies - The Daily Beast -
"Don't be evil" left when Paul Bucheit left. - Piaw Na
Jeremy Zawodny
Clare Dibble
"Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself." —Leo Tolstoy
joshua schachter
LSHKIT: LSHKIT: A C++ Locality Sensitive Hashing Library -
Amit Patel
Talent is the limiting factor in startup growth -
"But ask any startup around what they really do need right now, and the answer is clear — great technical talent. Star­tups of all sizes are competing for a small pool of highly skilled candi­dates, and in startup hubs like San Fran­cisco and New York the compe­ti­tion for engi­neers is fierce. This scarcity has persisted despite consis­tently high national unem­ploy­ment rates. And because it has become so easy and cheap to start a star­tup, convincing great engi­neers to join an existing startup has gotten much harder." - Amit Patel from Bookmarklet
Well, you could locate in Mountain View. :-) But startups aren't doing that, which leads to twitter's situation, for instance. - Piaw Na
Nelson Minar
Visiting FriendFeed. The site is still up and does a great job aggregating content; better than Facebook or Google+.
let's see if anyone here notices... - Nelson Minar
Hello! - Seth
We're not dead - Eric - Let Me Know
Hey Nelson, I'm a one of your Pinboard followers, but if you duplicate those posts here on friendfeed, it'll be great for commenting, etc. - Piaw Na
I read Nelson's Pinboard in Google Reader but having it here on FriendFeed could be nice. - Amit Patel
does FriendFeed have a dedicated iOS app? - Mark Essel from iPhone
No. FFHound works well though. - rönin
Jeremy Zawodny
Looks like the twitter team has done a good job here #letsfly
Just when I was thinking Twitter isn't doing anything re: features (for sometime) they launch this awesome re-design. Wow, congrats! - Space Cowboy
Jeremy Zawodny
Python Ecosystem - An Introduction » -
a fantastic introduction to getting started with python stuff. I wish most languages (hello Ruby and JavaScript/node.js) had a document like this - Jeremy Zawodny
Piaw Na
Review: I'm Feeling Lucky -
Wow, your review piqued my interest even more. Thanks. - Space Cowboy
Amit Patel
Are you sacrificing happiness and long-term wealth for short term gains? - GeekWire -
Are you sacrificing happiness and long-term wealth for short term gains? - GeekWire
"Besides the potential financial gains of getting out and coming back, there is a more important aspect, in my opinion, of getting a new job, career or opportunity and that’s learning new ways of doing things, new methodologies, new work styles, new technologies, new work environments, etc. It’s much harder to know how to improve your city if you only lived in the same place your entire life. Once you lived in multiple places, you start to form a much better understanding: what’s important, what’s not, what could be improved, what you like and what you don’t like." - Amit Patel from Bookmarklet
Wow, thanks a ton for sharing this. - Space Cowboy
Paneer Jalfrezi – A Guest Post for Prerna of India Simmer | Sinfully Spicy -
Paneer Jalfrezi – A Guest Post for Prerna of India Simmer | Sinfully Spicy
Paneer Jalfrezi – A Guest Post for Prerna of India Simmer | Sinfully Spicy
Paneer Jalfrezi – A Guest Post for Prerna of India Simmer | Sinfully Spicy
Piaw Na
Amazon Silk | The official blog of the Amazon Silk team -
Google veterans will recognize a lot of this in a project that was launched and then killed. - Piaw Na
My guess is that you mean "Google Web Accelerator". - Space Cowboy
You guessed right. :-) - Piaw Na
And I am not even a Googler! That's how closely I follow Google. ;) - Space Cowboy
Piaw Na
Google+ Is A Sideshow -- A Lot Of Silicon Valley Is Ignoring It (GOOG) -
Facebook doesn't have to worry, but Twitter does. - Piaw Na
I still find the Tweetdeck acquisition mildly confusing, in that the speed of app updates has slowed to a crawl since. Shouldn't Twitter want its app team to keep the app up to date? - Andrew C (✔)
Piaw Na
The Study Saying Internet Explorer Users Are Dumb Is A Hoax (MSFT) -
Joe Hewitt
I see no reason why Google+ Circles will succeed where Facebook friend lists failed. Snazzy UI or not, who wants to curate friend lists?
I do, as does, I suspect, anyone else who doesn't wish to live in a fish bowl. Facebook makes it hard to share and view sublists, Google+ makes it an integral part of the experience. - Tinfoil 2.0
^Boom. - Derrick
Me. - Friar Will
I do and was doing it with email distribution lists long before 'social' networks and likely doing it in my head well before that. I do admit I'm abnormal and not likely in any 'target market' - John
Oddly enough, LogEx, until a few days ago my Google Profile said I lived in a Fish Bowl. To me the Google+'s Circles aren't any different from Facebook's Groups, or Friendfeed's Rooms, in functionality. Really hate curating friend lists, but Circles do make it easier. - NOT THE CRICKET
Yep. I would rather do it than not do it. #NotAEuphemism - Lisa L. Seifert from Android
Come live in in a country where the divides between people really force you to curate such lists. - Can Özmen
All of the Friendfeed librarians (FFribrarians?). - Laura Norvig
One of the reasons Gmail succeeded is that people really hated sorting email messages into folders. Now Google+ wants us to sort people into folders. - Tudor Bosman
I still use Facebook friend lists. - Bruce Lewis
Tudor: First thing I did upon switching from Y! to Gmail was set up filters to imitate all my folders from Y! Most of them skip the inbox & go right to their folder. - Lisa L. Seifert from Android
Friend lists are very valuable - to you. Because of my friend lists, most of you are spared from seeing all of my Facebook game updates. - John E. Bredehoft
Err, Gmail didn't have folders, instead if had/has labels, so there's no exclusivity. Similarly with circles -- I have many people in 2 or more circles. I just want set operations! - Phil Pennock
Phil: If you set up the filters in Gmail, the labels act like folders. That's all I was saying. Clearly, not very well... - Lisa L. Seifert from Android
I do. And have been since FriendFeed arrived on the since. Works just great. There not groups btw, they are friends lists. G+ doesn't have groups yet, but desperately needs them to compete with FriendFeed, - Kol Tregaskes
I know friends who WON'T use Gmail because it doesn't have folders. - Lisa L. Seifert
I want to remind you guys something, GMail is not the most popular free web based mail product. It is still Yahoo Mail. - Ozgur Demir
Cristo, Phil: it's not about labels vs. folders, it's the fact that you don't have to categorize your email; archive now, search later. - Tudor Bosman
Friends, not acquaintances, basically come in two flavors: one, they're interested in you for what you mean to them regardless of topic; two, they're interested in you for what you share in interest(s), i.e. topics. With circles one can deal with that division well. - Sharon Stevenson
Paul Buchheit
Why Snack Food Is Addictive: The Grand Unified Theory of Snack Appeal -
Why Snack Food Is Addictive: The Grand Unified Theory of Snack Appeal
Why Snack Food Is Addictive: The Grand Unified Theory of Snack Appeal
"Complete protein is satiating. Our bodies absolutely require complete protein—but they also have a limited capacity to process protein in excess of our requirement. This shows up as what’s called “protein leverage”: people tend to consume food until they’ve ingested about 360 calories worth of complete protein. All other things being equal, if we eat foods high in protein, we consume less calories, and if we eat foods low in protein, we consume more. Therefore, if we want to sell an addictive and non-satiating food, we should keep it very low in protein (e.g. candy, cookies, potato chips). If it does contain protein, that protein should be incomplete—deficient in at least one essential amino acid—since the limiting factor for protein utilization is the least abundant essential amino acid. Guess what? Corn and wheat, the foundation of chips, crackers, cookies, and over 90% of the breakfast aisle, are both deficient in lysine. And both zein (corn protein) and gluten (wheat protein) are... more... - Paul Buchheit from Bookmarklet
"Here’s a startling experiment: rats prefer saccharine and sugar to intravenous cocaine, even after previously becoming addicted to cocaine." - Gabe
Paul Buchheit
Life can't always be good, but it can always be interesting.
Don't worry Paul, friendfeed will always have a special place in our hearts. You can always beat Google once again. - mehmet
It was actually a more general thought, nothing to do with FriendFeed. On the topic of ff, my only real complaint is that people haven't copied it enough :) - Paul Buchheit
I'm sure someone else will do it. :) - Oguz Serdar
@Paul: Well, don't worry, many of us are lobbying G+ folks very hard to adopt more of the FF feature set. - AJ Kohn
I want to +1 Paul's comment. - Louis Gray
I want to +1 on Louis for adding +1 on Paul's comment - Vic Ted
And i want to +1 victed's. - batuhan icoz
+1. - Nathan Chase from iPhone
I hate math. - Anika
as it's not referring to FF then? How so? - sofarsoShawn
A round of +1s for everyone. - Micah
joshua schachter
Peter Norvig
joshua schachter
GraphLab: A New Parallel Framework for Machine Learning -
joshua schachter
introduction to machine learning -
Piaw Na
joshua schachter
Cool, but obscure unix tools :: KKovacs -
Piaw Na
Looking forward to the next post in the series. - Paola Bonomo
Peter Norvig
The first two are so classic. You are great at capturing people's stories in the moment. - Laura Norvig from iPod
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