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Who else out there dislikes the use of "preso" as an abbreviation for "presentation"?
Joel Webber, ffcode, Charlotte M and 33 other people liked this
I hate it. Similarly, I hate "pressie" for "present".
- Rochelle
Yeah, but you are not liberal...pffttt ;)
- Alex Scoble
from IM
ew. that happens?? ick.
- pea
Haven't heard it before, but yuck, don't like it.
- Cassandra
Never heard that before. People around here usually just call it a "Powerpoint" ;)
- Jan Ole Peek
Yeah, Pea...unfortunately, it does
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Me.
- Trish R
Have I told you guys lately how much I <3 you?
- Alex Scoble
from IM
I think that calling a presentation a "preso" is grounds for a good old fashioned punch in the jaw. Thats gotta be in the law books somewhere.
- Joe Pierce
ugh. preso. that's right up there with friggin' "webinar"
- holly
Never heard of it before, but it ranks up there on the lame meter with 'frisco' as an abbreviation for San Francisco.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I've never cared for using Prego as an abbreviation for spaghetti sauce
- Davis Freeberg
Ouch, Jeff
- Alex Scoble
from IM
I've never heard "preso" for "presentation" only for 'press conferences' and only then when we were setting one up. We also used 'presser' and the younger *girls* used 'pressie'.
- Admiral Anika
And now you have
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Looks like the first half of the George Bush version of the word.
- Paul Puri
I do ! plus i also cant stand some colleagues who are from across the pond calling it preeesentation when it really should be presentation
- viki saigal
ugh, ahh (head banging on desk)
- Kim Landwehr
Don't forget "doco" or "docco"? for "documentation". GRRRR.
- ha3rvey (sup homepants)
I can understand using it on Twitter, where characters are so precious. Would hate hearing it spoken though. Nasty.
- Laura Norvig
Doco? Who the heck says that? Doc is the correct abbreviation for documentation.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
I don't even know about this lingo until you mentioned it here. My opinion: dislike!
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
I'm with Alex on 'Doc' versus doco, although I do like (and use - please don't hate me, or if you do, do it right) deets for details, as in 'send me the deets on the shindig, so I know where to go.'
- Cassandra
Sometimes when I talk to people like that, I make up abbreviations just to throw them off. i.e. DNL for "do not like"
- ha3rvey (sup homepants)
Never heard it before, hope never again. Awful.
- Lo
I haven't heard it before, but I cringe just thinking about it.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
"Preso"? First time I've heard that abbreviation. When I say it out loud, it sounds really stupid.
- Jason Huebel
Never heard it before.....think I'd laugh if I did....
- Bonnie Foster
Laura is on to something.. I have mostly seen it used since Twitter and by users
- Holly Rae, FFer
I've written it, and most likely, mostly on Twitter. I don't think I actually say it though. I do think it would sound lame. God, I hope I don't say it.
- Lynne d Johnson
++++ although I also despise calling them "decks" ugh
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Marco, YES. I was going to mention that too. decks/slidedecks - no.
- holly
Ohh you guys would hate living in Australia :)
- Mo Kargas
Meeeeeee! Also convo for conversation. I don't mind deck for PowerPoint. I don't know that I'd understand deets for details, and i'm aware that probably I'm the only one who uses capes for capabilities.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
Never heard it ... must be one of those 'west coast' things ... :)
- Charlie Anzman
Here's how it goes: docu (for documentary) slide deck (for preso) cap (for capability) 'za (for pizza)
- Jim Norris
You could make a crisp hundo for making a decent preso.
- Josh Haley
I don't even like the real word pesto, let alone preso (for the record).
- Micah Wittman
from iPhone
P.S. I despise "totes" also. Really? You can't spare 2 more syllables or 2 more characters to say "totally" (which, itself, is a desecration of the English language) ...?
- Laura Norvig
and lappy for laptop
- ffcode
calC for calculator
- ffcode
Truly, Alex, "preso" is an abomination unto the Lord. It may even be the abomination that brings desolation! :-)
- Ladybug Heather
Forget about the congestion charge http://twitpic.com/ppehd
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DEAR LORD
- Mo Kargas
Awww, alpaca snake! *hides*
- Admiral Anika
BUMPITY BUMP: I needed a giggle.
- Admiral Anika
What were those toys that looks like this? I think I need to get me one. I wonder how much they cost.
- Admiral Anika
Google hopes to remake programming with Go - http://news.cnet.com/8301-10...
Thomas Amberg, Barry Mitchelson, Marwan Osman and 103 other people liked this
This could be very good! "Google software luminaries such as Unix co-creator Ken Thompson believe that they can help boost both computing power and programmers' abilities with an experimental programming language project called Go. And on Tuesday, they're taking the veil of secrecy off Go, releasing what they've built so far and inviting others to join the newly open-source project."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
What do you think, Paul? I know it's early, but Python latched on at Google... Think this is a response? And just on a lark, do you think Go may be headed for the browser at some point (to replace javascript)? Many of us have wondered if Chrome will take a stab at reinventing/reworking the web stack. Go feels more like a back-end tool, but wondering what came to your mind when you saw this...
- Christopher Galtenberg
Christopher, Python is nice, but we need a new system language, something high-performance to replace C/C++. This may be it.
- Paul Buchheit
Yeah, I was remembering your thoughts from here, Paul: http://friendfeed.com/paul.... Wonder how the ooc folks feel today...
- Christopher Galtenberg
My first reaction was oh yay, another C like language with brackets to make it acceptable. Having Rob Pike and Thompson on the team is impressive but makes me think of a plan9 resurrection. Using CSPs though is pretty cool and it looks like it supports mobile tasks.
- Todd Hoff
"Specifically, Go uses a technology dating back to the 1960s called CSP, or communicating sequential processes, that handles interactions among a set of cooperating programs, Pike said. The technology made an appearance in programming languages such as Occom and Erlang, but it generally hasn't been applied in systems programming."
- Paul Buchheit
If Google uses this for internal projects, that will give it a big advantage over something like plan9 in terms of being practical (not to mention the fact that it's free software, which plan9 was not, and a programming language, not an OS).
- Paul Buchheit
I am very excited about this, it's not genius or rocket science but it maybe the language to put alongisde C/C++ for real. I thought it was going to be D, maybe this is it
- Lawrence Oluyede
D seems too fragmented to be usable. All my hopes are on Go now :)
- Paul Buchheit
And note that the language is designed to be IDE independent.
- Piaw Na
Plan9 was a set of composable tools. In this case Google is providing the OS and the tools.
- Todd Hoff
Go is NOT an OS!
- Piaw Na
Where's the link to it?
- Gabe
Please ; at the end of lines... (I hate languages without ; for some psychological reasons)
- Ozgur Demir
I am no fan of language features designed to ease parsing but i suppose that's important for a system language? But it's hardly a user (i.e. programmer)-centric design. I think they should have drawn more from Scala (for concurrency model) and Io (for a beautiful syntax) instead of the messy, old languages they chose. Luckily, it's not designed for my needs so i'll never have to worry about it.
- ·[▪_▪]·
@ozgurdemir I agree. Either require them or don't. Don't make them optional in some cases. It confuses what programmers generally expect of a programming language: consistency.
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Just checked and hated it. Sorry guys, it's not about the rest of the language.. it's just the ;'s.
- Ozgur Demir
while checking it, I noticed how much I love C / Java syntax and how lame to trying to change it just for to make a new product different.
- Ozgur Demir
@Paul you should know better than to confuse a language with its implementation! The people working on this all hail from the C/Java lineage and I don't know...may be fast but generally C is a hassle and Java is too dumbed-down. Trying to fix the mistakes they made in the past. Wonderful...
- Rudolf Olah
For god's sake, who cares what the syntax looks like? What matters is whether it solves useful problems or not. It's designed to clean up a lot of the problems stemming from the legacy of C[++], compile fast, execute fast, be appropriate for systems programming, and have good primitives for concurrency. Those are good goals in my book, and they fill a much-needed niche.
- Joel Webber
I do care.
- Ozgur Demir
I thought it was kinda weird the way the video highlighted how fast it compiles. Compilation speed is great, and the vid was impressive, but I've never seen a language launch where that was highlighted so much. "Look, it compiles fast!!!!!! Oh, BTW, we are trying to solve concurrency".
- Nick Lothian
@Ozgur: Sure, but as long as the syntax isn't broken in some way, or ambiguous (VB6 comes to mind), it's surely much less important than what the language is capable of (compile speed, execution speed, what can be expressed, etc). Syntax seems like a distant third- or fourth-most important aspect to me.
- Joel Webber
@Nick: That kind of struck me as well when they first started talking about it. But when you consider that your main alternative is C++, and that compile times can get absolutely brutal (try compileing WebKit sometime -- it takes hours), it makes a bit more sense.
- Joel Webber
@Joel. yea, I can't say you're wrong and I am right.. these are all preferences.. for me, syntax is an important aspect in terms of code readability that's why I care since it becomes a real pain in the ass on a midsize or bigger project.
- Ozgur Demir
This thread is degenerating into rubbish. You know who you are - please stop.
- Christopher Galtenberg
from iPhone
@Joel yeah, I guess. But compiling something like that should take hours! Back when men were men and compiling a kernel on my 386 was a major undertaking success was so much more satisfying! Who are these young'uns Thompson & Pike and what do they know anyway!
- Nick Lothian
Yeah, really! Real programmers had to swap disks multiple times to run a Pascal compiler on Hello World for the C64 :)
- Joel Webber
Yeah, compilation speed doesn't mean too much. Would be nicer if they focused on the *thinking* part with regards to concurrency.
- Rudolf Olah
Compilation speeds mean a lot when you're dealing with the google programming model. This is a company that invented code search for internal use. (See as an example: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7613693...)
- Piaw Na
Luckily it isn't named "goo".
- Peng-Toh
@Piaw - nice example. I only skipped through it, but I can't see why something like that makes compilation speed critical. It seems similar in concept to static analysis - more speed is good, but the lack of speed doesn't break the model.
- Nick Lothian
@nlothian: static analysis and compilation both include parsing. efficient parsing of C++ is rather hard to achieve, due to messy nature of multiply included files and macro substitutions. if code analysis takes hours (ok, half-hours), it ceases to be useful.
- 9000
Lack of speed totally breaks the model. When you can get your analysis and search tools to respond in sub 500ms, the model for coding completely changes. You no longer remember where files are --- you just search for them and expect the search tool to remember for you. This enables massive code sharing, and allows small teams to be extremely effective, since they can now leverage other teams' work.
- Piaw Na
Must be Google..
- ★ Soner Gönül
Why compile time matters: http://xkcd.com/303/
- Robert Felty
Use an IDE for iterative development of the components you are working on, make modules independent through interfaces, do a nightly build so the bulk of build products like libraries etc are available, then these compile issues go away. Justifying based on compile times is so 1990s.
- Todd Hoff
Ah, but how exactly does your IDE allow you to do iterative development quickly? You have to be able to compile individual modules (whatever form they take) quickly enough to make this feasible. If you take C[++] as the de facto systems language, it fails badly on this front, because the only way to share interfaces among modules is via the preprocessor, and precompiled headers only get...
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- Joel Webber
Poor Frank McCabe and his ten year old "go!" language: http://www.reddit.com/r...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
C++ allows for abstract base classes. No implementation. Compose systems this way and you minimize recompilation. And I'm assuming the initial subsystems are developed in a mocked unit tested environment and then within a very narrow scope, so interface changes are minimized until the system test phase is reached. The compilation argument would make sense if they were talking about a...
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- Todd Hoff
Sure, but you still have to define the abstract base class (interface) in a header file somewhere, and individual .cc files end up depending upon a large number of these in practice, so that any change to one of them tends to force you to recompile a lot of object files. As you say, there are some ways of reducing this effect, but in practice large C++ systems end up taking forever and a day to compile (try compiling WebKit; a lot of Google code has this problem as well).
- Joel Webber
C++ templates are also implemented badly, which makes compilation slow.
- Piaw Na
Only if you don't compose your system well Joel. I've worked very comfortably on systems that took 12 hours to compile across a cluster of 32 build machines. I'm not saying I don't want a language where you don't have to go through all these hoops, but to say it's inevitable in C++ is not so, you just have to beat make into submission and not create a big ball of mud, which is good practice anyway.
- Todd Hoff
@Todd: Fair enough -- I'm definitely not saying you're wrong, and I have also worked on fairly large C++ code bases (mostly games) without everything going to hell in a handbasket. But you have to admit that it would be nice if you didn't have to wait many hours (or use a Google-sized build cluster) for compiling your code :)
- Joel Webber
I've worked "comfortably" on projects where the full rebuild time was a few hours on my local machine, but I can't say that I was ever working optimally. Even in the instant-on environment I'm working in now, there are occasionally changes that I have to wait a full build/deploy cycle to test and it almost always takes me 2-5x as long to solve problems in that case. You can multitask while you wait, but it's just not the same (IMHO, of course).
- Matt Mastracci
I think 12 hours to compile across 32 build machines is unacceptable. I want instant compilation. You know, the kind that Turbo Pascal used to have.
- Piaw Na
I think that there's a dramatic improvement in developer productivity when the compile-link-run cycle time goes from a minute to a second.
- Gary Burd
Piaw before you say what is or is not unacceptable you might want to take the trouble to know what problem is being solved. Turbo Pascal to a real deployed product like a unicycle is to the 5th fleet.
- Todd Hoff
But any, good, modern IDE compiles incrementally and continuously so there's no noticeable compilation step. Compilation shouldn't be a _highlight_ of a new language. It's nice and the ease of building developer tools is a benefit to uptake but, in the end, the language has to be something developers _want_ to read and write since we have to look at it so much. Syntax matters. It's why so much sugar is added to languages.
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As stated before, modern IDEs don't scale to google-sized code bases. Go is not designed for your tiny projects that fit in main memory. It's designed for large scale development projects.
- Piaw Na
@piaw You seem to assume that Google doesn't organize it's code. Any good project, regardless of size, especially for large projects, should be modularized. If Google has to load every piece of code into the IDE, they have more serious problems than Go will resolve. Trust me, I work on a project with tens of millions of lines of Java code and i've been responsible for analysis and...
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Well, Piaw actually did write a fair amount of the code at Google, so I'd give him a little more credit :) I know plenty of people at Google who *do* use Eclipse/IntelliJ on Google's code base (myself included), but you do have to break it into manageable chunks to make it work. That's sometimes easier said than done, to be fair.
- Joel Webber
When I worked for a large company in the internet advertising business, I found that dependency creep was a constant problem. I spent more time than I would have liked trying to get fast compilation time in Eclipse/IntelliJ. I welcome a tool that helps with this problem.
- Gary Burd
"I have already used the name for *MY* programming language" http://code.google.com/p...
- Itachi
I think that time spent pruning and organizing your code and library is best instead spent working on better tools that make your development environment super fast and capable of scaling. That's the way Go was designed.
- Piaw Na
If you want fast turnaround, eliminate compiles all together. There's no reason why a language can't support a double or triple hybrid model. Look at a language like Factor, image based like Smalltalk, you write a function, and can patch it into the live running app instantaneously, where it will run interpreted in combination with compiled code, until the runtime gets around to...
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- Ray Cromwell
I noticed that Go has an interpreter work-in-progress living in its source. The start of an instant-run mode?
- Matt Mastracci
Smalltalk had a massive sharing problem --- you couldn't ever replicate what was in your Smalltalk image on someone else's machine. Eliminating compiles would be nice, but again, if you're solving problems at a massive scale, interpretation would be an order of magnitude loss in execution speed that you can't afford. That said, a Go interpreter would not be out of the question, or even hard to build.
- Piaw Na
@Piaw - was just reading "Coders at Work" this week and Ingalls (http://www.codersatwork.com/dan-ing...) was saying the exact opposite. He said he pauses his Mac machine and sends his Smalltalk system state over to a Windows developer and they start right up, debug, and fix.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
The point is not to have the production version run in interpretation, the point is to increase developer productivity by allowing a fast edit-run cycle, production builds can take as long as necessary. When you're in development mode, you often don't need full execution speed, you are checking for correctness. Take GWT for example. You can make changes to Java source, hit reload, and...
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- Ray Cromwell
What does production mean? An experiment that processes a large number of records so you can decide how to proceed with your line of research is hardly production, but it nevertheless has to execute fast over large amounts of data. You might think that it doesn't matter how quickly that runs, but the difference between 10 minutes and 100 minutes is huge in terms of productivity.
- Piaw Na
Yes, if you copied the entire image over, you could replicate a smalltalk VM. The problem is, then you have to live with the other guy's image and customizations. Smalltalk is great, but it really was designed as a single-user environment.
- Piaw Na
It depends how often you are running experiments over huge datasets like that. In the case where I needed some experimental data to proceed, yes, if after every edit, you had such an experiment, then maybe programming in a neutered language would be worth it, but I'd say that for the majority of developers, this is not the case, so being able to run unoptimized builds/interpretation...
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- Ray Cromwell
No, it is not for everyone. It's very much for large scale datasets that are encountered somewhat frequently on the WWW.
- Piaw Na
Um @mashable if you think Cliqset is FriendFeed done right I have a bridge to sell you. Looks like a clone without FF's best features.
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Damn, this article so misses the mark it isn't even funny.
- Robert Scoble
i agree robert
- andy brudtkuhl
Tech reporters should need to do their homework before writing headlines like this: http://mashable.com/2009... this is the worst article I've ever seen Mashable write.
- Robert Scoble
Mashable should pull that article and do a better job of editing before they publish.
- Hugh Briss
More discussion here: http://friendfeed.com/tad...
- Robert Scoble
Hugh: my problem is 70% with the headline, but 30% with the lack of effort to understanding FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, i know you are not the biggest Wave fan yet, but have you tried looking into the public waves? Just add: public@a.gwave.com as a contact, then define a search for example "with:public@a.gwave.com" and you get the full stream. We have a fun discussion over at Hacker News: http://www.victusspiritus.com/2009... I guess you probably know about it already :)
- Bastian
Yes, Public Waves are interesting. But far too geeky. If Mashable writers complain they don't get FriendFeed well, then, they have no hope of getting Google Wave.
- Robert Scoble
I agree, silly article about Cliqset.
- Bastian
If your going to compare something to something else at least try and give me a grid or something to show the features differences. Cnet's prize fights or Louis Gray's excellent article on twitter clients http://blog.louisgray.com/2009... are examples of how it should be done.
- Luke Kilpatrick
totally agree, the problem with Cliqset is that they will now be always labelled as a friendfeed clone.. people should move away from putting a clone stamp on services and let them be their own value.
- Jaap Willem
RT @Christina Warren: Oh FriendFeed Mafia. Calling people who don't get your service dumb is a real way to win friends and influence people
- Wins Fern
Wins: another inaccuracy. No one ever called her "dumb." I called her article the worst Mashable has ever written. But they are not the same thing.
- Robert Scoble
I bet it would be pretty easy to find worse Mashable articles. Given the site's longevity and frequency of publishing, they are no doubt out there. But it would make sense that if you were set up to present a case as an authority figure/journalist, you would have a good idea of the services being compared, and that's not the case here.
- Louis Gray
BTW, thanks Luke. I didn't see your link until now, but I agree! :)
- Louis Gray
Louis: y ou are probably right but this is one I know a bit about so can be authoritative on pointing it out. I don't remember anything with a more incorrect headline on Mashable, though.
- Robert Scoble
I like this one: "How would you insult Robert Scoble?" http://friendfeed.com/mashabl...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
1 million fps Slow Motion video of bullet impacts made by Werner Mehl from Kurzzeit - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Beautiful.
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
Amazing video. Some of those bullets are really cruel.
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Those are really amazing. But could his "watermark" logo have been any larger and more obnoxious? I was almost in danger of being able to see the video :)
- Joel Webber
The impacts looks a lot like water splashing
- Benjamin Golub
It's a shame such awesome video has such lame music.
- Gabe
I actually like the music.
- April Buchheit
@mirat: I'm just guessing, but I think they still use chemical films. CMIIW.
- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
from fftogo
It's really impressive how quickly the fractures travel through glass (eg: 2:59 and 4:38). Significantly faster than a "speeding bullet".
- Laurence Gonsalves
I agree with April. The music is good.
- Louis Gray
I also agree with April and Louis. The music is "Temple" from Hook The Captain.
- imabonehead
mirat: A Shimadzu HPV-2: http://www.shimadzu.com/product... (although this footage may be from an HPV-1)
- Gabe
Wow, totally cool. Love the scene where the bullet impacts a stronger surface and becomes a daisy :)
- Susan Beebe
I love the music in the background
- Jesse Stay
music is pretty cool
- Susan Beebe
Bad ass.
- Oskar Lissheim-Boethius
@Gabe: Digital?!? Sh*t...
- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
BTW, nice music :-)
- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
This video is way too long. Show me the best two or three maybe.
- Skyler Call
@Skyler: see Gabe's link.
- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
from fftogo
Amazing!
- Matter of Attitude
"Ive missed 9000 shots. Ive lost 399 games. Ive failed again & again. Thats why I succeed." ~Michael Jordan.
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Jason - thanks for that reminder. I've heard that quote before...here's what it says to me: don't let the fear of what comes next if you don't do this one thing right keep you from doing that one thing. I have hesitated before acting or following through so many times and it has cost me. Stop being afraid to you might miss the shot...just try it. And if you miss...try another shot the next time you get the chance. Thanks man...that one hit me right at the right time!
- Tobin Truog
ZooBorns: World's Smallest Deer Gives Birth - http://www.zooborns.com/zooborn...
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"Earlier this month, the world’s smallest deer, a Southern pudu, gave birth at Belfast Zoo. Baby Caju is 3 weeks old and is the first Chilean pudu birth for Belfast Zoo and the first captive birth of the species in Ireland."
- Rachel Lea Fox
from Bookmarklet
Recipes?
- LANjackal
@killer_bunnie I have a presentation which goes through Free Hugs as an analogy for Community Management. Must upload it... :)
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10 Youtube URL Tricks You Should Know About - http://www.makeuseof.com/tag...
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"Youtube – You know that site with videos and all. Yeah! It turns out that its quite popular and you happen to visit and use it quite often. Instead of just searching and playing here are some top Youtube URL tricks that you should know about:"
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
from Bookmarklet
This was the screen size of the first-generation Macs. (no not the thumbnail. Click on it! :-)
Victor Ganata, Stephen Mack, Private Sanjeev and 32 other people liked this
Ahh memories. Ahh, fatbits.
- Kevin Fox
i remember that
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
I like how they couldn't use spaces in the menu, and, if I'm correct, couldn't have sub menus (which is why FontSize isn't in the Font menu)
- Mark Trapp
I like how 'OK' was 'Okay' and before that it was 'Do it' but, in the Chicago typeface, it was too often misread as 'Dolt'
- Kevin Fox
Mac was also the birth of 'rounded corners' (albeit they rounded the screen, not the windows)
- Kevin Fox
Haha, I remember "Do It". Noticed the Goodies menu: they kept that, or at least third parties kept it going, well into System 7.
- Mark Trapp
can't handle... looking at this on my 17" macbook... can't handle... too tiny!
- Rachel Lea Fox
A few other things we take for granted: MacPaint could only have one document open at a time, the window was *not* draggable or resizable, and every single one of the patterns at the bottom of the screen were awesome wonders, full of possibility.
- Kevin Fox
Rachel's screen has 13.16 times as many pixels as the original mac, and each pixel is much sharper and comes in 16 million more colors.
- Kevin Fox
I always wondered how they were able to pull off detailed imagery like this example: the mouse wasn't exactly precise.
- Mark Trapp
Fatbits! http://media.arstechnica.com/staff...
- Kevin Fox
Oh God, they really used fatbits for that? Man, I'd hate to be the guy who had that job. I was thinking a super secret scanner prototype or tablet.
- Mark Trapp
Also, these images were done by Susan Kare, who made most of the original Mac iconography. She was amazing.
- Kevin Fox
Susan also created the original Mac fonts. http://www.kare.com/portfol...
- Kevin Fox
Amusingly, I had no idea until looking through her portfolio just now that she also made several graphic assets for Facebook. :-)
- Kevin Fox
Ah the ⌘, found by Kare from a Swedish road guide or somesuch.
- Mark Trapp
Huh, she apparently did Windows Solitare, as well.
- Mark Trapp
Yeah. And some iconography for Win 3.1. Funny how her Windows work sucks when the rest is so beautiful.
- Kevin Fox
Highcontrast
- Mehmet Fatih YILDIZ
Is that a MultiFinder icon I see on the top-right?
- Gabe
The Apple literature always had these kind of graphics to show off the computers. My fav was the Apple 2GS ad with Mona Lisa in 256 color.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
I got through Social Work school with one of those!
- Melissa R. Weintraub
LEAKED: New iPhone Commercial - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Huffington Post and Facebook Go “Social News,” With Connect on Steroids - http://kara.allthingsd.com/2009081...
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"In an unusually robust collaboration using Facebook Connect, the Huffington Post is launching a feature on Monday called “HuffPost Social News,” which lets readers create a personalized social networking-like news page on the Huffington Post itself. While the Huffington Post had already been using Facebook Connect since January–which allows readers of the site to log in using their Facebook identity to interact, which is mostly used to leave comments–this use essentially takes Facebook Connect and puts it on steroids."
- Brad Williamson
from Bookmarklet
The Breakfast Club #johnhughes - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
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RIP John Hughes
- Josh Haley
from Bookmarklet
WHAT?! Crap.
- Kevin Fox
I just heard. Yes. I am going to have to be quite sad today.
- Josh Haley
John Hughes made some of the best movies of my lifetime.
- ThisGuyDoug
OMG NO!!!! I Love you John Hughes! I will miss you!!
- Rachel Lea Fox
I don't want to even admit how often I watch TBC.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
"Could you describe the ruckus?"
- Josh Haley
Does Barry Manilow know you raid his wardrobe?
- Lindsey is Fierce!
"Did...I...stutter?"
- Josh Haley
aww. that makes me sad. :-(
- pea
whoa. he was only 59? damn.
- pea
were you really disgusted with what i did with my lipstick?
- Trish Haley
:( I haz a sad. Best Teen angst movies ever made were The Breakfast Club and Pretty in Pink. :(
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
Well, that makes it official. Today totally sucks. I am going to go cry now.
- Kate Schmidt
I am right there with you, Kate. :(
- Josh Haley
Planes, Trains & Automobiles (1987) #johnhughes - http://www.imdb.com/title...
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Pillows? Those aren't pillows!
- Josh Haley
from Bookmarklet
"You're going the wrong way!!!" "He says we're going the wrong way..." "Oh, he's drunk. How would he know where we're going?"
- Kevin Fox
I loved this movie!
- Mark "DerBingle" J
"How cold do you think it is?" ... "One."
- Jim Hearts FF
Three coins in a fountain. Each one seeking happiness... Flintstones! Meet the Flintstones!
- Chris McLean
"You know what'd make me happy?" ... "Another couple of balls, and an extra set of fingers?"
- Victor Ganata
Lots of Twitterers make the mistake that @MatchesMalone made. I don't need to follow you to read that you called me rude.
Kol Tregaskes, Matthew Horton, Richard Gallo and 14 other people liked this
ha ha ha Rookies!!!!! good one Robert....
- Chris Henderson
Seems possible that it wasn't a mistake, Robert.
- Kathy Fitch
just shows you what you can find if you know how! +1 Chris :-)
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Who is Robert Scoble? :-)
- ScottW
I'll comment here since your "I'll follow you post if you comment here" does not allow comments. Go figure. I read your life turnaround after 2001. How long was your 1st marriage? Just curious.
- Bruce Curley
Robert, you ARE rude! How DARE you unfollow spammers! Don't you know they're just trying to provide value to you? Get with it - this is marketing 2.0 and you're a number in their queue. Without you, how can they provide value, think outside the box, and create win-win synergies with products that can change your life? </snark>
- Trent Hamm
Bruce: nine years.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Trent: you nailed it!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
how do spam provide value hmm and ponder?
- polou/indigo_bow
If Twitter is worth $500 million, we, the public, should buy them, and make the firehose a free public commodity. http://gigaom.com/2009...
Bill Masson, Darren Heydon, Mark Essel and 7 other people liked this
It is not for sale to us, the public.
- Steve Gillmor
Seems that we are all IPO-biased on twitter :)
- George Tziralis
doing the math: how much is for every active users?
- Frangino Lucarini
Publicly owned but how do we keep them incentivized ?
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
@Frangino: Active users? Probably quite a lot each.
- James Myatt
@Myatt that's what i meant! :-D The Twitter service needs to become a sort of interoperable standard to grow in terms of real usage
- Frangino Lucarini
Great idea, float it on the stock market.
- Bill Masson
My 15-year-old son Patrick, on why teens don't use Twitter: "They don't see the point."
Doug Randall in SL, echostreamer, Daniel Chow and 95 other people liked this
Most teens just want to talk with their friends, not write to the world, he says.
- Robert Scoble
that's it- the understanding of publics.
- Kevin Marks
Plus they have video games for entertainment and have lots of time. I don't have time, so Twitter is a form of entertainment that I can get in bite sized chunks.
- Robert Scoble
That's it in one sentence: "Most teens just want to talk with their friends, not write to the world, he says" now maybe the world can start spinning again.
- Hoop
It's really interesting how I've noticed that most of my peers (20-somethings) are too hooked on Facebook to use Twitter or FriendFeed. Again, they don't see the point; Facebook has built-in Twitter that shares with the people they already know and care about.
- Jason Preston
my 13 yr old daughter says the same
- Miguel Rodriguez
too easy to get in trouble for what you say - on most networks you have to accept the invite of those who want to connect - not so on twitter
- Julie Gallaher
That's the same response I get from nieces and nephews.
- Joseph Ferris
Same thing I hear from a ton of people, regardless of age. For most people, they first need a "point" to use it or else they either don't sign up or don't return.
- Jeff Peters
Because their parents are there
- Bwana ☠
danah talked about how some teens are using private twitter accounts, as Facebook is now too public, as their parents and teachers are there http://bit.ly/Awmw9 Multiple publics http://bit.ly/publics
- Kevin Marks
My 14-year-old daughter doesn't want to share her life with the world on Twitter...and I'm good with that!
- Kirsti Scott
They care, like us about reputation, but within their 'groups' - not publicly....
- Mrinal Desai
I am here, and I am only thirteen. But I use it to post news, not about my life.
- Zachary TG
I'll have to explain it to her in detail before she gets it, prefers Facebook since ALL of her friends are there
- Miguel Rodriguez
Kids today don't understand nor care about the social dynamics that they will be involved in. Without a solid background now they can never hope to make truly justified choices later on. It scares me because I have to deal with them directly.
- Adam
Good plan, Zachary!
- Kirsti Scott
I'm not much older than your son, but I have a twitter. Noticeably many of my friends detest twitter and compare it to facebook status messages, therefore they are unable to understand what makes Twitter great. Facebook has managed to grab the minds of us teenagers. I must admit I am much more inclined to update my facebook statuses as my friends will comment on it.
- Rahul Krishnakumar
Adam- Pardon? I do.
- Zachary TG
the reason Twitter does well with teens is because they don’t care about networking – the act of creating/extending a network – as much as they do in their existing network itself. http://www.kanjhan.com/2009...
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
PARDON ME! DOES ANYBODY HAVE A BRAIN?
- Zachary TG
Don't worry Zachary - you don't exist in this thread
- Bwana ☠
And why?
- Zachary TG
It seems that every ones use of these tools is a bit different. I use twitter/friendfeed to keep in touch with fellow surfers and fellow web developers I know both here and across the world. Twitter/friendfeed have be come my best tools for this.
- Luke Kilpatrick
My son, while I type into FriendFeed, is playing Halo. The original one.
- Robert Scoble
Yet when I talk about the importance of tying Twitter to gaming, I get ignored
- Bwana ☠
Zach - no clue man, you're the exception the point in this thread :)
- Bwana ☠
Also teenagers are less likely to stick with Twitter long enough to make it useful to them, Facebook has a sort of instant gratification with adding your friends and commenting them etc.
- Chris Lawrence
I am @ricklafave on twitter, but I see the gap being that teens are all about text direct conversations. I see a huge gap in communication between the generations.
- Rick LaFave
Thank you for that clarification.
- Zachary TG
Bwana- You just got yourself another subscriber. :)
- Zachary TG
Hey now, I'm 16 and Twitter totally rules over Facebook for me. Twitter's for discussing news; Facebook's for your personal life. Totally agree w/ Zachary TG
- Kirk R. Arner
Success!
- Bwana ☠
I'm with Zachary, Adam... that was a bit of a blanket statement.
- Bettina Tizzy
Not too big on FriendFeed, though. Not enough people use it yet.
- Kirk R. Arner
I got to this through Scoble's Twitter crossposting.
- Kirk R. Arner
Bettina Tizzy: Thank you
- Zachary TG
Of course there are exceptions, I'm 19 and I'm on Friendfeed and Twitter, but we're talking about the majority of teenagers, Kirk and Zachary.
- Chris Lawrence
Have to agree here... my kid (13) and step brother (14) are total facebook kids... they occasionally hop on MySpace as well. Both try to get into Twitter, but really do not see the point.
- Darin aka iGoByDoc
Chris Lawrence: I understand. But like 60% of students at my school use Twitter, only around 40% use Facebook.
- Zachary TG
By the time today's teens are into things they'll look upon Twitter like we now look at IRC. I'm wondering if I even still have an IRC client on my machine....
- Andrew Leyden
Totally agree, Chris, but more teens are into tech than people think. Not all of us are texting to our friends about useless junk 24/7.
- Kirk R. Arner
because it takes too long and is too involved...
- Morgan Haley
Adults are very lazy...140 characters is tough to power through, but doable. The only people lazier than adults? Teenagers. Why bother with Twitter when their lives revolve around Facebook and it meets all their needs?
- Todd Pringle
That's really cool, I know about three of my friends on Twitter and they never use it haha. And if they do they use it as they would Facebook status.
- Chris Lawrence
Even though I text friends, it is just for information, not for useless information.
- Zachary TG
Todd Pringle: I am so not lazy. I wouldn't be spelling my words correctly now would I?
- Zachary TG
Texting has always been really big in Australia, Zachary. It's a habit that's hard to get out of.
- Chris Lawrence
Well yeah, same for me, but we're the exceptions.
- Kirk R. Arner
Except for the Australia thing.
- Kirk R. Arner
Zach: speaking in generalities of course. Clearly you are an exception. All up on Friendfeed and whatnot.
- Todd Pringle
I recently started texting. But it was almost created in Canada.
- Zachary TG
I will be happy when everyone has the internet in their pocket and I can just email people instead of spending 25c everytime I want to use 140 characters :(
- Chris Lawrence
Todd Pringle: Thank you. I see that people on FriendFeed are different then the casual social networker. We have manners and use large words and sentences. Thank you
- Zachary TG
goes back to "announce" vs. "discuss", too. Fb has nice "my friends and family" feel that Twitter and FF don't yet have.
- MikeAmundsen
Chris Lawrence- What is the 25c for?
- Zachary TG
Depends on geographic area. Here it was the Myspace revolution, then slowly became Facebook. The early adopters of Facebook jumped on the Twitter ship and now the middle stage of Facebook adopters are jumping to Twitter. Does Facebook rule supreme among my group? Yes, with myspace a close second, and twitter slowly catching up. PS, i'm 16.
- Sean Quinn
It's 25c per SMS in Australia.
- Chris Lawrence
I also don't think most teenagers grasp the difference between Twitter and Facebook. My friends who are content with Facebook don't see any need for Twitter and are actually puzzled by it's intended use. Over and over again I here, "Well Facebook can do that, can't it?"
- Angus Burton
OK
- Zachary TG
It is only 5c in Canada per text, and unlimited for 5 dollars.
- Zachary TG
Yeah phone plans in Australia are really ridiculous. There are hardly any unlimited SMS plans and the ones that are you are usually paying over $80 a month. But I digress!
- Chris Lawrence
Wow.
- Zachary TG
But our data plans are outrageous. $30 for only 500MB.
- Zachary TG
My 16-year-old daughter said the same thing a few months back. But she finally relented and is on Twitter now. A few weeks ago she said "I've never been more informed in my life" since joining.
- Patrick Giblin
Seeing the longtail of Twitter takes a somewhat more mature mindset. That's why some mature teens can 'get' Twitter and why some childish adults don't (and content with Facebook).
- CannonGod
I think the topic teens liking or not liking twitter topic is entertaining at best. Does anyone have any decent statistics on this? Not to mention the term "teen" is pretty loose 13 and 18 are a world apart. I would think a teen using or not using would be more based on their personal interest. My 20 and 30 year old friends that aren't in the tech industry could care less about it.
- Nicholas Fidanza
Admittedly younger generations want to talk with less ppl but more frequently, and adults want to create more connections for friendship or financial gain. Kids don't need to worry about being loved, they have mum & dad at the end of the day :-P Sad single geeks however...
- CannonGod
@Angus that was a comment concern among my friends. Where twitter began to rule was among mobile updating. Although teens can use and do use Facebook Mobile, a two-way conversation can work well among a group of friends via Twitter on mobile phones much rather than Facebook status updates/conversations on Facebook, in my experience.
- Sean Quinn
I'm 16 and me and my close group of friends use twitter-its possible to have "chat room" like conversations about things (where are we gonna go after school, etc.) if we're all hooked up on it-it works great, but admittedly some kids use twitter more than others (like me)
- Oliver Reich
My 15 year old chats on Myspace with her friends. I told here to message one of her regular chat buddies as "You Troll" today and she laughed until she almost peed her pants. :)
- Eric Logan
I just see Twitter as Social SMS. Teens like texting, so really it's just an extension of that. I can therefore see it being used more as a tool rather than an actual network per-say.
- CannonGod
While it’s possible to make Twitter “private,” the culture of Twitter is all about participation in a large public square. From the digerati seeking widespread attention to the politically minded hoping to appear on CNN, many are leveraging Twitter to be part of a broad dialogue. Teens are much more motivated to talk only with their friends and they learned a harsh lesson with social...
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- Johni Fisher
my oldest is 20 and uses Twitter and friendfeed a lot but he's a techie- my youngest is 17, uses mostly facebook and sms with friends - doesn't grok twitter yet he's very social...
- mike "glemak" dunn
from iPhone
got kids 24, 22, & 18. 24 is the only Tweeter. all use Fb. none use FF.
- MikeAmundsen
There's a great article up on the London Guardian about this - http://www.guardian.co.uk/busines...
- Steffan Antonas
The article discusses that Teens like building out profiles, and taking to people they know. Twitter's not really for that - it's used more for information sharing IMO.
- Steffan Antonas
It's a crime to suggest that Twitter as a whole is just a single feature of FB and has been that way since the beginning. I never understood when Twittr was demo'd to me how a single feature of a bigger app (in my case, IM status/mood messages) needed to be an app on its own. However, what the early adopter mass wants, the early adopter mass gets (until the mainstream mass shows up and it's zomg culture/class war... I LOVE watching this.)
- Eric Rice
Sean: That's a good point. Strangely, using Twitter as a conversation base didn't occur to me. I actually thought more about using a FriendFeed room for that.
- Angus Burton
I agree with Patrick and I'm well past my teens! FF adds talking with my friends, so it works.
- Rachel Lea Fox
It is simple: kids don't use Twitter because they dont have an iPhone! Most teenagers don't have a decent internet enabled device that allows them to use Twitter nicely. Most parents can't afford (or want) to pay $150+ phone bills for their kids plus buy them an iPhone. I have many young friends and they all love the "Big Brother" spirit of Twitter. I totally dont believe the "I'm a...
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- Arturo Toledo
No dis... I have a 19 y/o daughter...Maybe it because he sees you using it and thinks its an "old people" thing... ?
- Ron Thompson
What does he think about FF?
- Geoff Schultz
Geoff: same thing, but then he might be biased cause I hang here all day and it's simply not cool to hang out with your parents when you're 15.
- Robert Scoble
It's a lot easier to have friends in school. On the outside you have to be a bit more proactive.
- Todd Hoff
True enough Robert, Also true Todd.
- Geoff Schultz
I only use Twitter to broadcast what I am doing on Posterous, and FriendFeed.
- Matt Ruiz
I'm an older (some say very old) user and friends my age don't do Twitter, FB etc. Their opinion: why bother when I have email? Why would I want to share with the Internet at large? The web is full of idiots.
- Robert Hafer
from iPhone
Geoff: I read FriendFeed I just don't post very much. I enjoy reading Twitter and FF they can cetainly be informative and interesting. None of my friends are on Twitter so I was speaking from my experience with them, not all teens.
- Patrick Scoble
Todd: That is also absolutely true with students.
- Patrick Scoble
It is true but a lot of adults don't see the point of it either at the moment and I think it'll change.I'm 19 and I think it's more useful than Facebook etc.
- Craig Malone
kids dont use words or language, they communicat through hyperlinks & txt. as they get older, they'll appreciate the value of words
- echostreamer
Teens spend 6 or 8 hours a day within a few hundred feet of most of the people they know. Why would they need Twitter?
- Rob Sterling
the same reason they spend the next 8 hours glued to facebook and the internet instead of going outside to chill with those friends (no offense :)
- echostreamer
Yeah, but information on Facebook is shared the same way as in school - it's hierarchical and clique-based. Kids are more like base primates than adults. Twitter is too open, when they want to control the dissemination of information among those people they know in school.
- Rob Sterling
There are a lot of 13-15 year-olds on Twitter, just look around :) The best way to find them is to find a celebrity who might garner a teen following ... That said, Twitter is (for now) nowhere near as popular with teens as MySpace and Facebook, for sure.
- dcap
Also, most kids can't afford smartphones, and using Twitter exclusively by text message is mostly a one-way affair. It's pretty lame. I bet your 15 y.o. son loves to text and spends hours on Facebook.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
I think teens may be more privacy savvy than the media paints them. They know that a nasty Tweet about a school official can get them expelled; but a private txt is safe.
- Robert Hafer
How many teens are marketing gurus and life coaches? Kids aren't selling anything and see no need to sell themselves. THAT'S why they don't care about Twitter.
- Kimber Scott
Robert: it is worse than that. One message can get them shunned.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Just like my older friends, they have no desire to connect with the Twitter-verse at large. But for different reasons.
- Robert Hafer
I've been looking for the point for a long time :O) - To me it has become a place where I can "vocalize" things I've always just said to myself before. I just find it funny anyone actually "listens"
- Bill Rawlinson
Sounds familiar: http://blog.monicaobrien.com/why-hig...
- Monica O'Brien
There are many uses of twitter :)
- Key KnowHow
I think its good that teens don't like twitter. We can get on here without them!
- Su Butcher
As a teenager I didn't see the point of reading a newspaper either, but now I work in one!
- | Balu |
I don't have any friends, so I'm forced to write for the world.
- Big K
Interns in my office say they know college friends starting to use Twitter. Of course, none of the interns actually do. Twitter seems to be good for celebrities and professional networking.
- Hutch Carpenter
What's the big deal ? Most teens don't follow current events like politics or the economy either, it's not what being a kid is about.
- Doug Randall in SL
So that means he will like Google Wave? = the next Teen Twitter
- Hans Kainz
We can't say that Google Wave is the next Twitter, it's more instant messaging than anything (and I'd say FriendFeed relates more to it than Twitter does).
- Hugh Isaacs II
I do deeply hope that Google Wave takes off. I really hate signing into my msn account just to keep in touch with friends who can't get on the GTalk bandwagon or just don't see the point.
- Chris Chua
I think if you could start a conversation like this one on twitter just like on ff or fb with commenting tweets or just parsing them when you reply, it would be a lot more interesting
- Kaysha
Interesting that the 15 year old kid who got the job at Morgan Stanley did so because his mum knew a chap who she met when dog walking - so not what he knew but who his mum knew, and because of that he had an audience for his opinion.
- Simon Rogers
another possibility ADD
- polou/indigo_bow
Wrote a post about this a long time ago. Interaction will scale down as the possibilities to interact scale up. The next gen doesn't care about talking to the whole world. There is little value in it
- Alexander van Elsas
from iPhone
Just blogged on this subject. I don't believe this is a generational issue. It's about privacy and signal:noise ratio. When those degrade, communities migrate to new social networking services, regardless of group members' average age. http://lehawes.wordpress.com/2009...
- Larry Hawes
the wisdom of youth!
- Neil Ashworth
Habéis probado Zensify para iPhone? http://www.zensify.com/ tiene buena pinta para acrualizar todo a la vez no? - http://twitter.com/Fotomaf...
Bastian liked this
Crazy to hear civic folks talk about "the Internet as platform" and then cite hashtags as an example. Awesome. #owv09
Bastian, Roberto Bonini and Michael R. Bernstein liked this
DeathStarGrill - http://www.bryanatate.com/DeathSt...
Emma, Steven Perez, Ayşe E. and 11 other people liked this
Sweet! :)
- TheHenry
but... does it have a functioning tractor beam?
- Neil Bernhart
Yes. Its called the smell and cooking bacon :)
- Roberto Bonini
+++ Roberto
- Live4Emma (L4S)
This *is* the grill I'm looking for
- WorldofHiglet
Are Social Network Aggregators The New Cheese? - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Bastian and Susan Beebe liked this
As long as there are many social networks, there will be many services seeking to aggregate them. An aggregator is something like a feed reader, just because many people read a blog directly on the web site doesnt mean that a reader isnt complementary. If a particluar aggregator can enhance social content and provide additional value to the user, then power to it. Moreover, the...
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- Matyjas
iPhone Zensify: Keeps track of your aggregated social networks - http://www.zensify.com/
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I'll have to give this a try
- Bryce Roney
from Bookmarklet
Its got loads of potential. Looking forward to them updating the app further.
- Cornelius Smith II
No FriendFeed=fail
- Simon Tracey
from BuddyFeed
Thanks for trying out Zensify! We are working on a few improvements at the moment and an update should be available soon. There are many social networks that we want to add to the product, including FriendFeed.
- Matyjas
RWW site is down. on the phone with media temple, expected 10 minute wait time. charming
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you should switch to Mosso!
- andy brudtkuhl
10 minute wait time seems a bit unreasonable for a hosting service.
- Rob Diana
especially for RWW.... Mosso would have you fixed by now (damn I'm a great customer evangelist)
- andy brudtkuhl
andy: thanks! And, not to mention that my entire management chain at Rackspace/Mosso has their personal cell phones on the Internet so that if our support fails for some reason you can wake us up and get us on the phone. Mine is +1-425-205-1921.
- Robert Scoble
hahah Robert, that's really cool, kinda like the internet equivalent of an open kitchen!
- Toby Graham
robert - no prob.. i spose that's why they have my customer testimonial on the homepage :-) but it really does say a lot about a brand to create evangelists like this
- andy brudtkuhl
andy: I fell in love with the company so much I went to work for them. So I totally agree. It's the first company I've worked for since my camera store days that really is trying to make its customers fanatically happy.
- Robert Scoble
Wonderful: Iran releases jailed US journalist http://english.aljazeera.net/news... (via @strategiclee)
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Our data center, SVColo (http://svcolo.com/), lost power (and apparently all generators as well) this afternoon, causing our site to be completely unavailable for a couple of hours. We apologize for the extended outage.
Matt Kaufman, Roberta Holland, Nimaa and 149 other people liked this
Did you miss us?
- Paul Buchheit
This outage impacted our site as well as a number of other web sites hosted at SVColo. We are obviously fairly frustrated by the incident, and we are working hard to get everything else back online now.
- Bret Taylor
I was worried it was the End of Days!!!
- Rochelle
@Paul A little bit.
- Kevin D. White
That's ok not your fault, great work and yes we did miss you
- Kim Landwehr
World productivity just went back down.
- Amit Patel
Just don't let it happen again. ;)
- Derrick
Did we miss you?! You just wanted to make sure we appreciated you, right? *whew*
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
yeah!
- Nathan Chase
I thought you got infected by Twitter-Flu
- John Spyers
Holy crap, I never thought I'd miss FF as much as I did. It was like the sun vanished from the sky. Thanks for returning, phew :)
- LANjackal
Hmmm are you guys thinking about DR? Dual homing? Failovers?
- EricaJoy
so much for SVCOLO's "All power is conditioned by facility-wide redundant UPS systems to assure 100% reliability.", eh?
- Nathan Chase
OMG that is all
- BEX
yay! you are back!1!
- Lindsay
I was just poking around wondering where was my pacifier... friendfeed ;)
- Mark Essel
Welcome back Bret. Heard there was a run on anti-compulsive meds worldwide. Whew
- Charlie Anzman
It sure seemed like a LONG time. I'd be wanting some money back from my provider for not meeting the contract!
- CAJ, somewhere else
Good to have you back!
- Sam Grover
It amazing how lost I am without Friendfeed. Nice that you're back!
- Rahul Das
Glad you're back...and most importantly still in one piece. Do you anticipate any issues with feed importing? I just manually refreshed Twitter and all seems well.
- Mark Krynsky
Great to have you guys back. Lots of weblinks/posts from surfing the past 3 hrs.
- Mitchell Tsai
#fffail was no fun. Glad you're back!
- Bill Sodeman
funnily enough this is not the first time i have heard of a datacenter with supposedly highly available N+1, A-side and B-side, UPSed & diesel-generated power just going totally offline because someone tripped over a plug.
- Karim
Yes, I missed FriendFeed! And what happened to the SVColo emergency generator plan? Jeez.
- AJ Kohn
Glad they and you are back online!
- Andrew
The FriendFeed Outage caused me to get hooked on the #annoyatrekkie topic of Twitter. Glad to see you back!
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
YES we missed you! ;-) Glad you are back up, and that as soon as I was back I could look here and see the explanation. Things happen, but I love it that there never seems to be a question that you'll give us the low-down. Thanks! :-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Desktop application is still not working.
- Madhav Tripathi
And double thanks for the Tweet to announce the outage ;) (a tweet announcing restoral would be uber-cool)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Thanks, Madhav, we are fixing right now. Sorry for the trouble.
- Bret Taylor
nah, they knew we'd just be F5ing until they came back up ;)
- metalerik
Search still down?
- Jesper Lind
The IM bot doesn't seem to be up either.
- Rahul Das
I guess this will convince investors of the need for a second datacenter site
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Karim: the generators almost never work for anything short of telcos carrying 911 traffic..
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Cool, some people were saying it was a different power system, thanks for the update.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Rob, that gibes with my anecdotal experience :-) but why is that? what is the point of telling customers you don't have single points of failure in your datacenter when you do...? mishegoss.
- Karim
Karim, there are ALWAYS single points of failure. If nothing else, Earth is a single point of failure :). As for the generator, supposedly that's what's powering things right now!! (which has me somewhat frightened)
- Paul Buchheit
Paul: very true....And Karim, it's probably because the generator backups are rarely tested, certainly not regularly, and partially for this reason...the failovers don't work and they don't want to take customers down because a test went wrong
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I hope, Paul, that this will cause you guys to be able to go to the investors and get things happening on two or three sites, so we only see performance degradations in future calamities (since disaster will always strike)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
yay!
- MikeAmundsen
We need double-likey's for posts like this
- Charlie Anzman
A likely story, Bret.
- Steven Perez
Yes, we missed you!
- Anne Bouey
We podcasted about you in the dark!
- Josh Haley
This is what you get for not subscribing to me. Don't trifle again, Mr. 'Taylor'.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Um, really surprised you don't have a backup colo…but glad you're back
- Glen Mistletoe
Fess up Bret ... this was just a test to see how starved we'd get without our hourly toke ;)
- AJ Kohn
If the colo facility isn't testing their generators on a weekly basis, someone needs to lose their job.
- Alex Scoble
and I was gonna suggest that it went down because I was AFK... I guess I don't qualify for the 'I survived the great FF outage of '09 and all I got was this lousy t-shirt' t-shirt.
- grant fox
During the Twitter planned outage I thought, "well, at least I still have FriendFeed". Ouch! Glad you're back. I've lived through several outages on both sides of the equation - don't wish it on ANYONE.
- Robert J Taylor
Very sad test of how addicted I've become. I was jones-ing pretty hard. Glad you're back.
- Ken Gidley
Glad your back up and running.
- Russ Jackson
Paul, yeah, we can't eliminate SPOFs completely, but i've seen these places brag about how they have N+1 power systems, UPS, diesel generators that can run for days at peak load, priority contracts to have more diesel fuel delivered if necessary, etc. etc., and something happens and the whole data center just dies. you realize that you might be screwed in the event of Global Thermonuclear War :-) but you don't expect to be down for hours because somebody pushed the wrong button...
- Karim
Nice to have you back.
- Ignacio Rodriguez de R,
strangely enough, a transformer blew up outside earlier tonight and now my lights just flickered. going to make sure my UPS is charged :-D
- Karim
Alex: Where have you ever been that they actually tested gens on a weekly (or regular even) basis. I've been around colos and CLECs for many years, and this happens all the time because there's never a test
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
and Alex: That's where I'm going to put my next project ;-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
glad to have ff back. What will happen to updates which were made during that time? will they appear on my ff site?
- Okeane
Supposedly the generators worked ok, but there was a ground-fault elsewhere in the system that blew out all the breakers. Murphy wins again.
- Paul Buchheit
I am guessing they may have to update this page: http://www.svcolo.com/power... ;-)
- Brian Sullivan
Welcome back.
- Chris Baskind
It is a fact of computing...sometimes the power just quits. IP is great - we can always rely on RFC2549 for a no-electricity transport protocol.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Where you gone....I hardly noticed....OKAY! YES! Yes, I missed you! Satisfied?!
- WorldofHiglet
glad FF is back!
- (jeff)isageek
My browser reload button is exhausted. But all systems are go now—thanks for calming all the passengers by simply telling us what's really going on—awesome. *climbs out of search.twitter dingy and back onto the mothership*
- Micah Wittman
guruvan: Most hospitals I've been to test their backup systems on a regular monthly schedule. Ironically, that makes the emergency power system in general less reliable than utility power.
- Gabe
So it that not a fail whale but a school of fail whales??
- Amani
Gabe: ok..never worked in a hospital, but most of them do in fact have proper working backup power to my understanding. why can't the telcos and datacenters? this is a very common problem for them.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@Rob, not everything is that simple. did someone drive their car into the generators? :P
- mjc
Does sitting for 2 hours watching all mentions of FriendFeed on Twitter search qualify as missing you?
- Sharon McPherson
Have a fail-over version of Friendfeed on Google App Engine. I know it will take time and effort, but then it will mean built-in redundancy. And failing of both together will be a highly imbprobable event
- Varun Mahajan
Michael, I know it's not all that simple, but you would be amazed at how often this happens in professional datacenters and at CLECs and without something as understandably disastrous as cars through buildings or bombs.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: when I first met Rackspace's chairman, Graham Weston, we talked about a failure they had when a truck knocked out power there. Turned out the chillers and generators had a flaw in their design that kept the generators from kicking on for a few seconds. This sounds exactly like what happened here. Rackspace worked with the chiller and generator companies to design a fix, but he told me that most data centers haven't upgraded (Rackspace's have). I wonder if this is the flaw that hit friendfeed yesterday?
- Robert Scoble
I read somewhere that it had been mathematically shown that a computer program can never be 100% error-free because the error routines will have errors... Maybe it's the same type of thing here.
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Robert: That's very interesting. Don't know if that's what happened, but I do know that most of the time when I've seen this happen in a CLEC CO it's been much more simple than that. Usually attributable to human error (and lack of testing). I am curious to how, and how often Rackspace performs tests. Finding the design flaw you mention speaks highly of the company IMO.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: they run tests on the power system very often. Unfortunately nothing tests a system like real life.
- Robert Scoble
No, there are factors that just don't come into play in a "controlled" test scenario, no matter how thorough you try to make the test.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
It was the severity and length of the outage that was the surprise - but we have had electricity outages over a vast part of the continent that lasted days and caused by small flaws so this isn't out of that realm. But this is or should have been a much smaller more controlled situation. I am guessing there may be some adjustments in contracts and some heads rolling. Who else was affected by the situation? I get the impression that svcolo is a fairly large operation.
- Brian Sullivan
Brian: if a data center goes down for two seconds it often takes an hour or longer to turn everything back on and get it all working properly again.
- Robert Scoble
In this case it was definitely "longer"
- Brian Sullivan
Very true...and often longer than that to get data systems working again, as they're often overloaded as soon as they come online (causing great difficulty in getting them to run correctly). I was very impressed with how quickly FriendFeed was able to have everything back to fully functional
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Brian: yup. I bet that the power came on pretty quickly, but bringing up a rack of equipment and getting everything talking to each other again can take quite a while.
- Robert Scoble
I guess they will have to adjust their power uptime claims to read 100% (except for strange circumstances) ;-)
- Brian Sullivan
no company anywhere should ever try to claim 100% uptime of anything. it's just not realistic. there's always some scenario that causes that to be off - if only by 0.0001%
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
maybe time for a pv solar third-tier backup
- Matt Weeks
*points at th Tier 1 Colo data center with dual 10GigE core links on the first floor of the building he works in*
- matthew john ernisse
I've been with Hurricane Electric 5 years and never experienced significant downtime. Luck? Maybe. Maybe not.
- Jason Nunnelley
The good news is downtime seems an essential element of a social's' success.
- Jason Nunnelley
When this happens I always wonder if someone hit the EPO: http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archive...
- Phil G
Brian, the SVcolo page you linked to is funny. love the part where they "assure 100% reliability" for the electrical power, with a "100% facilities uptime SLA." guaranteed to never fail or you get your next pizza free? guessing their hull is also 100% impervious to icebergs. +1 Phil. though day of week is also suspect. am superstitious about planned maintenance windows on Friday afternoons -- like standing in open field with a lightning rod during a thunderstorm. ;-)
- Karim
matthew, i thought the Tier 1 data centers sucked? :-D with diversity, it sounds like you are in a Tier 4...
- Karim
I think it is bound to happen with anywebsite specially when it is growing faster than expected.
- ashish
ashish: it's bound to happen to just about any website. until a site is the size of google, yahoo etc, it;s not only possible, but probable that it will happen. -a definitely nice link there Phil :-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I think some people got frustrated as if they paid to use Friendfeed. I wonder what would happen if websites like this eventually start to charge the users or would they be ad supported. I think the newness of the social networking will eventually fade as that of email.
- ashish
In a sense, a lot of us do pay to use friendfeed. We pay with our time, we pay with our words and we pay with our content.
- Alex Scoble
No customers = no job, Alex?
- CAJ, somewhere else
The data center that I audited for 3 years switches to generator power on a weekly basis to test that it's working.
- Alex Scoble
Unfortunately, we only host online banking sites.
- Alex Scoble
lol Alex, I was going to mention, the centers that house banks come as close to never going down as possible. it's not unheard of, but it sure is the end of someone's world if they do go down
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
you move gradually towards Livejournal path - they had same once big, and even became annual tradition... yes, power losses became regular once-a-year thing, no matter what datacenter they were to use. And then they sold itself to Russian SUP :D
- A.T.
welcome back :p
- healingkid
Loving the Wild Poland exhibit on South Bank: http://maps.google.com/... http://matyjas-zgfe.posterous.com/628632
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HAHAHAHA
- Johnny Worthington
You guys, this image is SO huge! HAHA
- Mona Nomura
Lol
- Farzad
Ignore! :D
- MissSaghar
ترابلشوتینگ: to solve your problem you must shut down your computer and fuck yourself immedately!
- M∂hmood
eAHAoeuhAEOUAEhoaehoueaH
- MustaBR
رافائل هنگ کرد! :))))))))))))))
- M∂hmood
Like for saghar :D viva MicroSoft :D :D
- Farzad
They have those on Gilligan's Island.
- Trish R
amazing
- Marcos Vicente
This is one of my new favorites.
- Kevin Bondelli
i wonder what mona is like at a flea market - she probably finds the rare gems!
- Allen Stern
Too bad there isn't a StumbleUpon for flea markets.
- Kevin Bondelli
Allen: Will work for free food! ;)
- Mona Nomura
I want to randomly deploy this into a piece of software as an easter egg.
- Kevin Bondelli
aaaahhhh, windows.... hahahahha
- Melissa Maskevich
I made a Mac error pop-up to keep this one company. http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Kevin Bondelli
This *still* makes me laugh out loud lollll!!
- Mona Nomura
wow september? nice to see this again hehe
- Alfredo
As Carlos said, I am "crate digging" . . . my feed used to be so visual. I am finding ALL sorts of posts.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Oh shit that's funny!
- BEX
just laughed at this one again :)
- (jeff)isageek
Hehehe
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
from fftogo
lol!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Fly, little butterfly, Fly!
- Martha
oh this must be at least thirty-seven years old. but still funny!
- Kirill Bolgarov
It can't be THAT old; it's done in XP look-and-feel...
- Karl Knechtel
Love it!
- Marcos Vicente
nice! I've never seen this one before.
- Phil Maxwell
- the f word
- Monique
Karl, that was a joke
- Kirill Bolgarov
XA x333
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Classy. \p/
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Had me LOL ... Literally.
- Charlie Anzman
:D:D
- Orçun the Nucro
Lol
- yasin ghasemi
Interview with Amie Street: Why Keep Acquisition of Songza a Secret? - http://bub.blicio.us/intervi...
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Our social media marketing experiment is underway at http://www.flickr.com/photos... -- Maryam and I have an announcement! - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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More on Gillmor Gang in at 3 p.m. Pacific Time http://live.twit.tv -- we did this experiment two years ago and it'll be interesting to see how the marketers pick up on this announcement this time.
- Robert Scoble
from Bookmarklet
Hey, congratulations Robert!
- Mark Trapp
Congrats !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Nir Ben Yona
Congrats Robert :) hope you and the family are donig okay, and Congrats. again! :)
- Ahmed
Congratulations!!
- Anne Bouey
Congratulations!
- Trish R
Congrats to you both!
- Thomas Hawk
you might wanna check that link Robert...
- Aron Michalski
Congrats!
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Aron: I fixed the link to http://live.twit.tv -- thanks!
- Robert Scoble
Congrats :) You are catching me up! SXSW was a hoot btw.
- Benjamin
Congratulations there! Very enthousiastic photo indeed, the smile is contagious; made me smile over here :-)
- Patrick Mackaaij
Robert, congratulations to you and Maryam! and Patrick and Milan, too. :)
- Karoli
Congratulations!
- Verena Fuchs
Patrick: yeah, we're having fun! We'll have the family on the Gillmor Gang shortly.
- Robert Scoble
I don't know how to type it with the Farsi characters, but Maryam will understand it: Moubarak! :)
- directeur
Congratulations and good luck.
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Congratz Robert :)
- Timo Heuer
My son Patrick's reaction? "Have you ever heard of protection?" Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
That is nothing new I heard that here too.
- Dan Krivolavek
Congratulations.
- Rachel Clarke
congradulations!@
- chaz2b
Congratulations! This means even more noise in the world of tomorrow
- sdfx
Congratulations, Robert and Maryam!!!
- David Sifry
from twhirl
Congratulations. :)
- JA Castillo
Congrats Robert, Maryam, and family! That's awesome.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Congrats!
- Jeremy Brooks
Congrats Robert and Maryam! Health, wealth and happiness to you and your family.
- AJ Kohn
congratulations to you and your family
- Jeff Sandquist
oh Robert that's wonderful news. love to you both
- Erin @queenofspain
Congrats!
- Jay Neff
Hope this time you have a girl:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Congratulations!
- Loren Heiny
Congratulations, Maryam and Robert!! This is really exciting news!
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Congratulations! How fun!
- Glen Mistletoe
Congrats, Robert! Milan will have soon somebody to play with.
- Jordi Soler
from twhirl
Congrats!! That's so exciting!
- Nurse Katie
Congrats Maryam and Robert and Milan
- johnpiercy
Congratulations...exciting!!
- Moushumi Kabir
Thanks everyone! We're just trying to keep up with the Grays! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Awesome! congratulations
- Martha
Congratulations!
- Paul
Those look like ultrasound pics...congratulations!
- Catherine Novak
Congrats! :)
- Rochelle
Wonderful! Congrats. :-)
- Chris Baskind
Ahh, now we are in my *social media comfort zone* Posterior placenta, about 10-13 week gestational age by viewing. Nice extremities and profile with nasal bone visualized already (soft marker for Down's when absence of nasal bone). Nice job!
- Janet
Congratulations! :-)
- Daniel Rowley
Wonderful, congratulations
- Bill McFarland
Congrats to both of you!
- Sandra
Congrats. You must really enjoy sleepless nights :)
- Paul Bainbridge
congrats..!! good wishes =)
- Praveen Vasudev
Doctors have figured out what causes that. I can show you some drawings or filmstrips about it.
- Matthew DeVries
Congrats! And ENJOY every minute of it! It passes qucik!!
- David Slater
from twhirl
Wow! I hope I didn't spoil it earlier. I was totally just guessing. Congratulations Robert and Maryam!!!
- Jesse Stay
Congrats to you both :D
- craterdweller
Congratulations!
- Pierre Beugnot
Not the first, and certainly not the last, but by God the most sincere Congratulations!
- Bob Stewart
from BuddyFeed
Twitter says, "you are unable to father more people. Please read about our fathering limits." :-D Mazeltov!
- Karim
You will join a very exclusive group that will have twittered the birth of two children :)
- Christian Burns
Wooooo congrats!!!
- Simon Wicks
Congratulations Scobles :D
- Johnny Worthington
awwwww... congratulations to you and your family.
- Yolanda
congratulations!
- Anna Lynn M.
We did same here, maybe same day, but no photos...the little "bug" needed a macro lens & the sonogram operator couldn't find one. Not polite in public what she did use but it is an internal device, an alternative to the belly transponder, and said shape is usually known by another name. Rather surprising in the further context that the sono operator was a very cute, young blonde. Confusing day. Russians (wife) keep such announcements secret until the second trimester, so I'm not allowed to speak.
- Douglas Hopkins
Douglas: yeah, we kept ours quiet until week 12 and also Maryam had a test to make sure the baby doesn't have Downs.
- Robert Scoble
Congrats Robert!
- Hutch Carpenter
Whoa! Congratulations you guys!!!
- Charlie Anzman
congrats! many good wishes
- Pico Seno
Congratulations!!
- Daniel Brusilovsky
congratulations are in order, you two!
- Micah Wittman
Wow congratulations to you both!
- Sally Church
Congrats! Great news. A lot of changes lately.
- jjprojects
wow congra...!
- mohammadk
Regarding "marketing experiment" - I forget where I read it, but someone said that the most successful advertising is the stuff that doesn't look like advertising at all, because it does such an outstanding job of meeting your needs. Valid points in your post, and there's no reason why smaller services can't try to meet their users' needs also. For example, look at all of the fuss over how services suggest users. What if your personal suggested users on Twitter were to suddenly include pediatricians?
- John E. Bredehoft
Mazal Tov!!
- Orli Yakuel
Congratulations are in order! Good luck with the upcoming baby.
- Colin Charles
from twhirl
Tabrik migoyam! تبریک می گویم
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!
- Rom Feria
Let me add my congratulations to everyone's! Cheers!
- Steve Lowe
gratz!!
- timepilot
Mazel tov!
- Alan Chamberlain
from twhirl
مبارکه :)
- Picolo
Congratulations Big Daddy! Congrats to Mom also!
- Tony C
Best wishes and congratulations :-) Greetings from Norway!
- Hanna Wiszniewska
No matter when the children come. Congratulations!!!
- Moses Kpetigo
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Jim Connolly
Congratulations! Best wishes to you both!
- Tamara
Congrats big guy!!!!!!!!!! please twitter any diaper related questions to @answers ;-)
- Jason Calacanis
Robert Scoble, growing Friendfeed one user at a time :) congratulations!
- Christian Anderson
Congrats Robert and Maryam. Best of Luck to you both.....
- Alex Marrow
Your baby is a celebrity even before he/she is born. Congrats!
- Alekkus
Congratulations from Italy!
- Cristian Conti
Awesome! 3rd BABY Scoble on the way! Cheers to you and your family!! How blessed you must feel right now. You've been through quite a bit of positive change lately - impressive!! Can't wait to hear more :)
- Susan Beebe
Congratulations!!! Solo parent duty this weekend and missed the announcement. Of course tinyprints.com would like to step up to the plate when the time comes.
- Rick Bucich
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