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Shey posted a message
“Can you tell the difference between a horse and a frog?”
Can you tell the difference between a horse and a frog?
Friday at 3:47 pm - Link
Hint: Turn your head sideways - Shey
thanks for the hint, I couldn't see it otherwise. - Rob Diana
Was the other way... took me a moment to see the frog - Sally Church
can't see a horse no matter what I do :) - Rebkin
There's something wrong with me -- all I see is a pitcher and 2 faces. - Sprague D
Rebkin, yeah, I'm in the same boat. - Wensleydale Scoble
what?? - Shey
look at this the wrong way and it looks like a disembodied moose snout. What? - Mark Dykeman
I can't see the horse!! - Mona N.
I can see em both :) - Mattb4rd
Clever - Rodfather
pretty cool - Carmen
I even turned the monitor sideways and couldn't see the horse. Don't forget that I'm the guy who can read regardless of orientation of writing in relation to my eye/head. - Wensleydale Scoble
Ack! You hacked my brain! - zoblue (Zulema ❤'s you)
First the frog, then after a few seconds the horse... Love these! - Holger Eilhard
Turning my iPhone sideways just switches the screen view! I do see the horse though! x - Joe Dawson
turn your head to the right...the dark part on the bottom is the horse's mane...the dark dot on the frog is the horse's eye...the frog's head is the horse's mouth/nose. - Corie "Viper" Jones
Thanks Corie, now I see it. - Wensleydale Scoble
i didn't have to turn my head to see it, but that's an ugly horse. - Faboo Mama
lol - Shey
You're welcome, Alex. :) Yeah, it's definitely not the prettiest horse...the face is a little deformed. hehe - Corie "Viper" Jones
That's a great horse-frog. - Morton Fox
Oh my...I can see the horse =D for the longest time I could only see the disembodied moose snout.. - Rebkin
Gods... okay, /tilt/ head sideways and I see's it. I kept turning my head so I'd look out of the corner of my eye and couldn't see the horse. Now I know the orientation of the horse, I can see both at the same time. - Arlan Koizumi
ok i can see the frog, and i think i see the horses eye, but can't figure out his orientation from that. help! - Monique via fftogo
If you tilt your head towards the right, the horse is looking left. The frog's rear legs are its ears. The shadow below it is the horse's mane as someone said above. - Arlan Koizumi
oh! see it now! - Monique via fftogo
Yes, but now it lokos like a mutant frog-horse thing :( - Rah™
That frog has some weird looking eyes! - Robert DeBord
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Obamamania: Ruth Ferguson posted a link
September 23 at 9:10 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link
"Going up against a very formidable Republican machine, and having been subject to constant attack and millions of dollars spent trying to scare people over the last two months, I’m still tied or in the lead with John McCain. That tells me that the American people are good. That they are judging me on my ideas and my vision my values, and not my skin color. Now are there gonna be some people who don’t vote for me because I’m black? Of course. There are probably some African-Americans who are voting for me because I’m black. Or maybe others who are just inspired by the idea of breaking new ground. And so I think all that’s a wash. The bottom line is am I viewed as somebody who’s gonna be a champion for the guy who’s waking up every day, working hard for a paycheck? And I’m confident that if they think I can help them, that I’ve got a shot at getting their vote. And it may take a little more work on my part. But I don’t mind working harder than the other guy." - Ruth Ferguson via Bookmarklet
Cool. - Russellreno
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Chris Reed posted a link
September 23 at 10:56 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link
"Even though Palin knew that Stein is a Protestant Christian, from a Pennsylvania Dutch background, her campaign began circulating the word that she would be "Wasilla's first Christian mayor." Some of Stein's supporters interpreted this as an attempt to portray Stein as Jewish in the heavily evangelical community. Stein himself, an eminently reasonable and reflective man, thinks "they were redefining Christianity to mean born-agains." The Palin campaign also started another vicious whisper campaign, spreading the word that Stein and his wife -- who had chosen to keep her own last name when they were married -- were not legally wed. Again, Palin knew the truth, Stein said, but chose to muddy the waters. "We actually had to produce our marriage certificate," recalled Stein, whose wife died of breast cancer in 2005 without ever reconciling with Palin." - Chris Reed via Bookmarklet
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Mike Fruchter posted an entry on MichaelFruchter.com
September 23 at 9:19 pm - Link
Mike - Wow, Thanks for including me in your list!! I am subscribed to everyone on your list and I fully concur - these folks are the best! These guys are the *heart and soul* of FriendFeed. They drive the best content and conversation here!! :) - Susan Beebe
Mike - terrific post. I think this will help me get more out of friendfeed. - Mark Logan via twhirl
I will reiterate what I said on the post as well. Louis Gray and Sarah Perez should be required. They are everywhere. Two others that I think people should follow are Corvida and Tina (Stupid Blogger). - Rob Diana
Rob: LG and Sarah are on Mike's July list. :) - Mona N.
Rob Diana - Mike already included Louis and Sarah Perez (aka SarahinTampa) in his original 10 people to follow list back in July. I agree with your request to include Corvida and Tina (Stupid Blogger) on Mike's growing list of people to follow on FriendFeed! They both are excellent girl geeks! who blog about technology and both do very detailed analysis in their blog posts. - Susan Beebe
Is it narcissistic if I Like this FriendFeed entry? ;-) - Mark Dykeman
Subscribed to those few I wasn't already subscribed to :) - Jemm
Mark LOL! yeah! :*) - Susan Beebe
Mona and Susan, I totally forgot about that original list. I still stand by the Corvida and Tina recommendations though :) - Rob Diana
I don't know Corvida, but definitely recommend Tina 220%! Along with Anna Haro. :) - Mona N.
lots of Florida FF'ers on the list - must be the weather down here :) - Nathan Chase
thanks for the heads up! - James Cooper
hey mike thanks for the FriendFeed bump! :) - (jeff)isageek
I'm honoured Mike, thanks :) - Shey
Great list Mike although the first was much better :) !! - Charlie Anzman
Mike you are awesome! What a great list! Thanks for giving me a place! - Erhan Erdogan
Boo Charlie! ;)~ - Carlos Ayala
I have to heartily recommend Tina & Anna Haro. - Mark Wilson
Someone needs to make this list, but exclude IT related topics. No social media, no start ups, etc. Or would this list be empty? - Chris Stevenson
Great list, Mike! The only problem with it is that I already follow all those folks! Haha. - Phil Glockner
Dodged another list. Whew. - Akiva Moskovitz
Great list. I'm already subscribed to most of them. Loved how you'd written the little bio for each an every one of them :-) Were I ever to make up a list like this, I would include YOU. - Rebkin
+1 Akiva. - Yolanda
this morning I thought friendfeed had a notification glitch, but now I get it :-) feel honored to be on the list Mike - Dobromir Hadzhiev
again meh, eat the rich, your days are numbered - adolfo foronda
Don't worry Akiva, you've made my shit list. - Mark Wilson
Akiva just wants to be on the curmudgeon list ;-) And thanks to all who suggested me, but I don't know if I could take the pressure of being recommended as a must follow. It was bad enough when Scoble the elder followed me and I had to start sounding intelligent... - Stupid Blogger (aka Tina)
Tina, Scoble follows me & I don't even pretend to sound intelligent. I'd say that FF should automatically default to you, Mona, and Scoble when someone registers. You could become the "Tom" of FF! Haha. - Mark Wilson
As in "lie about your age"? - Ontario Emperor via fftogo
+1 Ontario Emperor - Mark Wilson
Tina, Tom from Myspace lies about his age. He claims to be 32 or 33 on his Myspace page and he is 37 or 38. See this Newsweek article: http://www.newsweek.com/id/623... - Mark Wilson
Thanks! As an avid MySpace avoider, the reference was outside my sphere. But hey, if you're gonna lie about your age, go up. Cause I look great for 37! - Stupid Blogger (aka Tina)
Thanks for great list. - Daniel Schildt
Okay, I've subscribed to all of them, just for kicks. Let's see what happens.... - Chris Luckhardt
Ok, subscribed to 5 I hadn't from the list as well as Tina. Already had Corvida and Anna Haro. I think I'm good now. Thanks Mike. - Mark Krynsky
cool list of good interesting folks - Mich D
Inbox is loaded with FF subscriptions! now up to nearly 800 subscribers! thanks Mike!! Hi - new guys! - Susan Beebe
Just passed 800...wow! - Susan Beebe
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newsjunk.com posted a link
September 24 at 3:53 am - Link
"Among likely voters, Obama now leads McCain by 52 percent to 43 percent. Two weeks ago, in the days immediately following the Republican National Convention, the race was essentially even, with McCain at 49 percent and Obama at 47 percent. " - newsjunk.com
Thank god - rachael
Still lots of time to shake this thing up :) No worries. - Soulhuntre via twhirl
I think that the Republican convention should go down in history as the "Dumb Moose Convention" - Paul "Maverick" Denlinger
Just as long as the Democratic convention goes down as the "New Car Salesman" convention. - Community Organizer Chuck
Wow. "Dumb Moose Convention" - is that really the level of discourse left for so many folks about this stuff? - Soulhuntre via twhirl
Does "Smart Moose Convention" make you feel better? What level of discourse do you want about people who have destroyed the US from the inside? What level of discourse do they deserve? What's your suggestion? At times like this you worry about level of discourse? You've really got your priorities right... - Paul "Maverick" Denlinger
The "conservatives" from Conservative Oasis (Neoconservative Ghetto) have a proven pattern of reducing every political discussion to the most shallow level possible. (Since they rigidly censor opposing views in their own group, perhaps they should be systematically excluded from disrupting other groups.) The main cause of the current financial crisis is the culture of deregulation which John McCain and his closest advisers promoted over recent decades. Apparently neocons have still learned nothing from this train wreck, just as they have learned nothing from the disastrous Iraq War. Leading conservatives like George Will are bailing. - Sean McBride
Who is most responsible for the financial meltdown? I haven't got this all sorted out yet, but these are some key names that seem to be coming into focus in all the accusations and counter-accusations: Alan Greenspan, Federal Reserve, Goldman Sachs, John McCain, Milton Friedman, Phil Gramm, Republican Party, Wall Street. Chief culprit: deregulation. It's like the Republicans forgot that the Great Depression ever happened. - Sean McBride
didn't critical deregulation happen in the clinton administration? - Gregory Lent
The Wall Street Journal, like George Will, is turning on John McCain: http://tinyurl.com/4r4pcy "Topic A should be deregulation. Financial institutions are dropping everywhere after playing with poorly regulated financial instruments; the last investment banks standing are begging the government for stricter oversight; and some of our nation's leading champions of laissez faire have ditched that theory in an extraordinary attempt to rescue the collapsing industry. The philosophy of government that has dominated Washington for almost three decades is now in ruins, and it is up to Mr. McCain to find out exactly why we believed it in the first place. Why did government stand back and permit all the misconduct that generated all this bad debt? What particular ideas led us to believe that government should just keep its hands off and let markets run their course?" - Sean McBride
Gregory Lent - yup. - Sean McBride
The single biggest culprit from many accounts: Milton Friedman. He provided the holy writ for the train wreck. He is also a neoconservative icon. - Sean McBride
The Wall Street Journal: "It's Judgment Day for John McCain": http://tinyurl.com/4r4pcy "Last week, Republican presidential candidate John McCain called for a commission to "find out what went wrong" on Wall Street. It was an excellent suggestion: Public inquiries into Wall Street practices served the country well in the 1930s. And Mr. McCain has a special advantage to bring to any such investigation -- many of the relevant witnesses are friends or colleagues of his. In fact, he can probably get to the bottom of the whole mess just by cross-examining the people riding on his campaign bus." - Sean McBride
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McCain by no means has an elitist attitude toward others. It really means nothing to this campaign that he owns multiple houses and cars. I'm pretty sure McCain wasn't shown any favoritism from any mortgage companies unlike Obama who was given a lower than normal mortgage rate and other special treatments in exchange for taking care of the special interest groups. - David Ward
oh i love regurgitation of lies. WHOO-HOO...of course, marrying an heiress, mccain got no special treatment whatsoever...right. - Faboo Mama
$1.32 million at 5.625 percent 30-year fixed. http://voices.washingtonpost.c... - torque
What makes McCain an elitist because he married an heiress? How does this affect the campaign? It doesn't. McCain is an employee of the people and works for the people. Obama has no bipartisan experience and will achieve absolutely nothing meaningful if he's elected. It's a fact that McCain has the best bipartisan record in the Senate. He can make a difference. - David Ward
and it's no different than what most of my friends got on their overpriced houses here in LA between 2001 - 2004. yawn. - Faboo Mama
Thanks ⓞnor. Better file that one away David. CNN: "he just got better treatment because he was a wealthy guy". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... - torque
all I'm saying is it's time to stop calling McCain an elitist because he married into a wealthy family that owns a lot of real estate and other luxuries. Obama is not poor by any means, He made over $3 million dollars over the last few years. Let's talk about the real issues instead. - David Ward
"Snarky?" Do it here - http://friendfeed.com/rooms/fr... - torque
let's save it for the debate on Friday - David Ward
dear god. enough in the comments. It's the McCain campaign that is playing the elitist line, and all this proves is that it's a rich line coming from a guy with that many cars and houses...and a jet. I'm sure that many are over the whole "elitist" argument...but lets not forget that it keeps coming up in the right, not the left. There's nothing wrong with McCains wealth...but it's the context here that matters - Duncan Riley
Duncan, I get what you're saying but every post mentioning elitism shows examples such as this in the context that if you're wealthy, you can represent middle America. That's just not the case and that's my point. Looking forward to the debate on Friday and the heated discussions to follow on FF. - David Ward
Does anyone here know the definition of elitism? Here's a hint, people - it doesn't have anything to do with what's in your bank account. Go hit up a dictionary and try this debate over again. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
David, I'd be the last person to suggest that it does exclude you. But when you play the elitist card against Obama, you need to make sure your own house is in order. I'd rather (as would many) that this whole idea of "elitism" goes away, because its BS in the bigger context of things. But context here again: McCain is throwing the labels, and the stats don't back it - Duncan Riley
I'm not saying either one is elitist, but it isn't about how much money you have. The whole argument starts out with a premise (the infographic) that makes no sense. It's about an attitude or a belief. Start from there, and we may have a ballgame. Otherwise, it's just pissing in the wind. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Mark, for a rare time, I totally agree, at least on the money side. We should have more ppl with money in politics, not because they can game the system, but because they understand how money works, and understand how to make it, personally, and for the nation. However, it's McCain here who plays the elitist tag, and Obama doesn't match the criteria. We should move past this...as I'm sure you would agree. - Duncan Riley
Absolutely. And the truth is that they're both probably fairly elitist. After all, they're both senators. :-) - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
That's fine with me. And the crack about both of them being elitist is a joke that's probably 200 years old. To me, labels matter less than policy. I know that might not be true for most of the public, but for me it is. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
one guy earned his money through hard work; the other married into it. one guy owns a "normal" amount of domiciles and vehicles; the other guy has so many houses and cars he lost count. to suggest this doesn't have any bearing on their worldviews is ludicrous. - Jon Price
Jon, I'm sorry, how many real jobs has Obama had? I'm not discounting what you say, but I would hardly begin to think he's this blue collar hero. - Mike Lewis
@Duncan you're absolutely right! We should elect John McCain so he can marry us to a richer country and make money like he did! Maybe we can marry Saudi Arabia. Bush has been courting them and holding hands with them long enough. - Jason Carreira
@Mike how many real jobs has McCain had? - Jason Carreira
The question was how many jobs Obama had. I think we're all very much aware of McCain's record. I still have no idea about Mr. Hard Worker! - Mike Lewis via twhirl
I'm thinking that Mccain paid full price for all his houses, no Rezko to give him a $300,000 discount for his homes. Have we sunk to the level that having more than one house is bad, but gaining from Chicagoland corruption is good? - Daltonsbriefs
He did not gain, and Rezko gave him no money. Nice bit of McCain style libel, though. - Jason Carreira
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Duncan Riley favorited a video on YouTube
Colin Powell Disses McCain on Georgia Russia Conflict
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September 23 at 12:27 am - Link
must view. - Duncan Riley
Wish I could see Youtube videos at work - Jason Carreira
Powell should have a position in the next administration... he's always been a knowledgeable, level-headed guy. - £ogical €xtremes
I think this could have been our first African American president. He's either too smart or too classy to run, but I think he'd be a great candidate. - Brian Norwood
Um, don't you have an iPhone, dear? - Cyndy
I'd have to go outside to get even a 3G connection to be able to load it - Jason Carreira
Great, now the guy has some balls. Where was he in the run-up to the Iraq invasion? - Dave Hodson
Great post. McCain's response to this conflict was dictated by the same "JINSA crowd" that Powell fingered as the prime mover behind the Iraq War. Perhaps Obama should appoint Powell to be secretary of defense or secretary of state. "We are all Georgians" -- utter nonsense. Georgia's invasion of South Ossetia was very damaging to the American interest. - Sean McBride
Another septigenarian who is becoming increasingly irrelevant. another septigenarian who is proving to be increasingly irrelevant with these kinds of comments. - Indio Apache via twhirl
blame the victim... sounds familiar. I never trusted Powell. you can say it is inconvenient for the US to get involved, but don't say Georgia should of known that Russia would attack it's sovereign territory. this brings me back to American foreign policy before 911. He is a relic. He is doing a Ron Paul here. You can say it is painful, but don't look for gray areas when it is obviously black and white - AnotherⓃⓄⒶⒽ
NDS - you think Colin Powell and Barack Obama are bad for Israel, right? - Sean McBride
Neoconservatives have had big plans to use Georgia as a base from which to stage a war against Iran -- that is what all this controversy is about. Google [georgia israel iran]. But Georgia's invasion of South Ossetia blew the plan to smithereens. - Sean McBride
powell for president, if he would have had the guts to tell the truth to the u.n ... he knew he blew it .. has been very low key since - Gregory Lent
Wish I could see the rest of the debate. Interesting - Roberto Bonini
Gregory... for one second separate yourself from your bias against the US and allies. do you think that a country that is not in a situation like Yugoslavia or the former Soviet Union (declaring it's government null and void) and simply has a separatist movement inside of it's own borders, should expect to be attacked by a foreign power? try to be objective here. - AnotherⓃⓄⒶⒽ
NDS - even the Israeli government has figured out that the Georgian invasion of South Ossetia, and its attacks on Russian peacekeeping troops, was a blunder of the greatest magnitude. Are you following the details of this controversy at all? - Sean McBride
Seriously, Georgia SHOULD know Russia was going to attack it's territory. Americans must stop thinking the rest of the world thinks as they do. The current Russian government needs no reason to attack anybody that they can overpower militarily. They only need excuses. And Georgia gave them one. Differently from the Gulf War when USA had theoretically no reason to push into Iraq, given the whole idea was to liberate Kuwait, and not throw down Saddam. (I *did* say theoretically, ok?) - Rodrigo Jaroszewski
And they didin't, for better or worse. If I remember correctly the foray in southern Iraq was all part of y the invasion plan ( don't remember it exactly) but not calculated to topple Saddam. the US didint even support the rebellion that followed the war. - Roberto Bonini
That's because people like DICK CHENEY said that toppling Saddam would lead us into a "quagmire" since we'd have to occupy Iraq for years... Funny how Cheney could see that in '91, but not in 2003. - Jason Carreira
theoretical means you keep obvious other real issues out. let me start over again: do you think that a country that is not declaring it's government null and void and simply has a separatist movement inside of it's own borders, should expect to be attacked by a foreign power? also the country is a little less then two decades old. try to be objective here. I think your basic problem is you have too much emotion involved here. so just look at the facts, - AnotherⓃⓄⒶⒽ
It depends on if they fire on Russian "peacekeeper" troops in the separatist area. Anyone firing on Russian troops better be ready for a real fight. - Jason Carreira
Noah David Simon - why are you unable to engage in rational dialogue? Seriously. You keep repeating your same neocon talking points. You are not debating or answering any points that are being directed at you. - Sean McBride
peacekeepers would be in their own sovereign nation or would be invited. keep this dry and I think you might come to my point. leave the name of the countries out. let me start over again: do you think that a country that is not declaring it's government null and void and simply has a separatist movement inside of it's own borders, should expect to be attacked by a foreign power? also the country is a little less then two decades old. - AnotherⓃⓄⒶⒽ
There is no leaving the countries out in foreign policy. Everything is contextual. The context of the Georgia / Russia relationship, Russia's aggressive militarism, Putin's modus operandi, and the fact that the Russian troops were ALREADY THERE means that the outcome was relatively clear. - Jason Carreira
NDS -- this is the kind of neoconservative abstract thinking, entirely devoid of pragmatic and realist situational awareness, that leads to one foreign policy blunder and catastrophe after another. And neocons never learn from their past mistakes -- zealous ideologues never do. Messianic abstractions are always a recipe for disaster. - Sean McBride
empty saber rattling is good posturing for voters who have no inclination to understand actual foreign policy positions, yet diasterous for real world policies. i was really pleased to watch this special and see that there was a common thread of increased diplomatic relations with other countires will surely be the surest path to security of our national sovereignty. - Nailed Jello
if that is the context you are working with Jason then you should see that there is a very black and white situation of right and wrong. you just presented to me a bully. if you can't see it that way then I guess it makes sense that your other judgments on other situations are just as skewed. let me start over again: do you think that a country that is not declaring it's government null and void and simply has a separatist movement inside of it's own borders, should expect to be attacked by a foreign power? also the country is a little less then two decades old. - AnotherⓃⓄⒶⒽ
awesome. powell for president woulda whipped both mccain and obama. but he's probably better suited as an advisor - as long they actually take his advise into consideration this time around - cjmart
NDS - there are no empirical and well-grounded *facts* in your posts in this thread. I don't think you are even aware of the problem. Neocons live in their own closed abstract bubble. This is about psychological issues, not foreign policy analysis. - Sean McBride
I agree with Sean : "Messianic abstractions are always a recipe for disaster. " . Especially in the case of a separatist movement, when there are tanks friendly with the separatist minority on the other side of the border, you make sur your acts cannot be interpreted as a provocation if you want to avoid disaster. - Antoine Bertier
hmmm... many logical moments in his conversation, yet... some strange feeling that he either didn't say whole thing or just not aware of other *contextual moments*... p.s. yes, I do have several personal items for bias ;) - silpol
Anyone who didn't understand that Russia would respond with crushing military force to a Georgian attack on its peacekeeping troops in South Ossetia is cognitively challenged. One wonders how they can tie their own shoes. These are the same people who claimed that American forces invading and occupying Iraq would be greeted with flowers and chocolates and that the entire venture would cost next to nothing. Will someone PLEASE drag these people off the world stage before they can do any more damage. - Sean McBride
+! Dave Hodson...Powell has no credibility with me. - Faboo Mama
I know I have a very good point if u r ignoring it, because what I present 2 u is a very real situation &u r trying 2 bring in a lot of luggage 2hide a very basic premise. What u r essentially saying is that because Russia is bigger makes it 2b expected. AGAIN: do you think that a country that is not declaring it's government null and void and simply has a separatist movement inside of it's own borders, should expect to be attacked by a foreign power? also the country is a little less then two decades old. - AnotherⓃⓄⒶⒽ
Forgetting, for the moment, Powell's failure to speak out as we foolishly invaded Iraq, that was three minutes of incredibly lucid, clear-eyed reality. Spot on. - Chris Baskind
I will begin to attack your credibility now. to do so is warranted. you obviously see my logical point and are ignoring it because you hate. I'm done here. you are morons. - AnotherⓃⓄⒶⒽ
It is wrong to dismiss Powells remarks out of hand. Powell is not only a cold war general (Gulf War 1) but also a former Secretary of State. Therefore he knows the strategic balance that Russia and NATO now perform both on a diplomatic and a military level. Notice his excellent analysis of Russia's attitude. - Roberto Bonini
The purest quintessence of neoconservatism: "I will begin to attack your credibility now. to do so is warranted. you obviously see my logical point and are ignoring it because you hate. I'm done here. you are morons." They cannot under any circumstances be reached through rational dialogue or appeals to reality. Neoconservatism is essentially a cult. - Sean McBride
NDS: If northern Mexico decided to declare itself an independent nation, and given the border situation, we felt it necessary to station troops within the breakaway region to help with security... and southern Mexico fired on our troops... needless to say, there would be consequences. No, I'm not equating U.S. and Russian foreign policy... I'm just saying, black and white are illusions. - Roger Benningfield
It's just not very simplistic. A country that has been in and out of Russia's rule for the last 150 years. A country that *is* less than two decades old and clearly has internal strife. Nobody here has 'clean' hands. - AJ Kohn
@Roger: +8 for great analogy. - AJ Kohn
http://xrl.us/sovereign explaining the word sovereign to you guys is impossible - AnotherⓃⓄⒶⒽ
NDS: the subtext here, in your mind, is anxiety that the United States might abandon Israel, right? Back in the sixties, neoconservatives like Norman Podhoretz strongly supported the Vietnam War because they were concerned that a failure to win that war might lead to a failure by Americans to defend Israel. Most Americans could not care less about Georgia. They have not the slightest idea where it is located. Americans are much more concerned about domestic economic problems at the moment than holy crusades abroad. - Sean McBride
NDS - You are a black/white viewer of a gray world. The South Ossetians are a different ethnicity and were claiming ethnic cleansing, and running to the Russians for protection. The parallel is probably better with the former Yugoslavia than the absolutism you throw out. Georgia was stupid to fire on the Russians. The Russians were wrong and opportunistic to invade. Neither side was 100% right, neither side was 100% wrong. The fact that you can't find a nuanced position on this tells me all I need to know. - Jason Carreira
Jason if there was ethnic cleansing then I am wrong. I have not heard that slant... just a lot of fuck America jive. show me what you are talking about - AnotherⓃⓄⒶⒽ
nytimes says "But Russia faces other problems as well if it continues to pursue this line of attack. First of all, much of the “evidence” Moscow has put forward to date has been shown to be false or at least highly exaggerated, something that raises broader questions about what Moscow is claiming about the Georgians." - AnotherⓃⓄⒶⒽ
It was going on on both sides, once Russia invaded: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t... - Jason Carreira
it is a meme out there that I missed, but it doesn't seem to hold a lot of water. - AnotherⓃⓄⒶⒽ
NDS, it doesn't even matter if it was accurate... That was their pretext for being in South Ossetia, and Georgian forces attacking a village where Russian troops were stationed didn't help Georgia's cause and led to an easily guessed result. - Jason Carreira
There were Ossetian refugees crossing the Russian border looking for help. Right or wrong, it's not a black and white issue. - Jason Carreira
it isn't a gray issue Jason. that is a bit post modern for my palette. if it is *so* obviously an opinion then invasion of a sovereign border is inappropriate. if these are the pretexts that you abide to for invasion then we are headed 2 a lot of violence globally. the principle of this is so inherently important here.Claiming ethnic cleansing could b any country in a civil war. 1 can't draw parallels2other situations because other situations like Yugoslavia had lost a government and there4 lines were moot - AnotherⓃⓄⒶⒽ
it is only when Sovereign government is gone that ethnic decisions decide the borders. Declaring a civil war to be ethnic cleansing is not to be expected and is arbitrary. When America was in a civil war, it is said that France was planning to invade. they didn't because Mexico won a war with France, but had Mexico not gotten it's independence America could of been taken over by France on grounds that they were ethnic cleansing the Indians & then we would be all be talking about cuisine like Loic Lemeur. - AnotherⓃⓄⒶⒽ
So what do you suggest? Should we have nuked Russia? Should we have sent troops in? What exactly is your plan? None of us wanted to see Russian forces pushing across Georgia destroying villages, but what do you do? We put pressure on them and they eventually pulled back, but this is the same Russian foreign policy it's been for centuries: secure warm water ports. It's a complicated issue with no black and white answers. - Jason Carreira
I think we handled the situation perfectly. we spoke and had our dukes up and they saw it wasn't a bluff. in all honesty I think Russia had a good time with it. they were busting our balls. - AnotherⓃⓄⒶⒽ
I forgot how well colin powell can speak - Stefan Hayden
http://tinyurl.com/4mpbkn "Speaking at an event organised by the German Marshall Fund in Washington, Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice acknowledged that Georgia had fired the first shots in the breakaway region of South Ossetia. "The Georgian government launched a major military operation into Tskhinvali [the capital of South Ossetia] and other areas of that separatist region," she said. "Regrettably, several Russian peacekeepers were killed in the fighting," she added." - Sean McBride
The leader of Georgia doesn't inspire much confidence: http://tinyurl.com/6l6aya "Saakashvili eats own tie" - Sean McBride
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Leo Laporte posted a link
No Republican Left Behind
September 5 at 11:57 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link
why do they keep calling them selves "maverick?" i really don't get it - Caroline
wow...for some reason (I guess because of the L's in Leo's name) I read this as "No Leprechaun Left Behind" - Sean McGee
All I can gather is that it has something to do with marching on the drumline - Rah™
The press called him the "Maverick" back in 2000 because he wasn't (at the time) what you would expect from a Republican...he was pretty moderate compared to Bush back then... - Sean McGee
smh - Cee Bee
Due to the misspelling, one can only presume that this is an excellent representation of the average McCain supporter. - JodyUnwired
Really, Awesome convention poster! - Kishor
Apparently, at least one child was left behind. - Chris Baskind
+1 Chris! - Matrixx333
Chris++ - Rah™
If you criticise him for his spelling mistake, the terrorists win! So keep quiet you unpatriotic people! LOL!! :-) - Mark O'Neill
Is this what you do all day Mr. Laporte? Surf the Internet looking for ways to look down on your fellow Americans because their political views differ from yours? It's a shame TechTV/G4 fired you. You might just have the right level of maturity to host Hurl. Nah, maybe you're not that mature... - Laura Smith via twhirl
I enjoy listening and watching Leo, Dvorack, etc. when it comes to technology discussions. The more I see the higher echelon of FF and Twitter talk about politics, the more I wish there was a filter I could apply. I mean, this was just a funny picture that gives Obama supporters another means to look down on people who do not support Obama, but I've seen Dvorack's outrageous blog post about Palin's children, and I've read Scoble's mistatements regarding Huckabee's speech at the convention. - Community Organizer Chuck
Web 2.0 spell checkr - k. chan via twhirl
Perhaps if one admires mavericks, one spells words whatever way one wants. - James Swing-r
The democrats' signs were much slicker. With every speaker at the DNC they passed out new ones -- there were hillary ones, biden ones, michelle etc. all beautifully printed on nice sanded sticks. Not a hand painted sign in the crowd, all the perfectly the same, and no chance for a misspelling. Good stagecraft. The hand painted signs make me cringe from a design/spell check pov, but they are authentic. - Jay Tannenbaum
What is this? The Republican Friendfeeders coming in to comment swiftboat style? Lighten up for Christ's sake! Obviously you've yet to discover what a sense of humour is. Let me know when you find one and I'll teach you how to install it. - Mark O'Neill
Geez, Mark, maybe you could lighten up a little. The Republicans were commenting on the headline, which was perhaps uncharitable and directed at them. I think Leo is great, and I think Dvorak has no problem taking care of himself. They are completely entitled to their opinions outside the world of tech. That's why I subscribe to them. We live in a great country, don't we? - Jay Tannenbaum
Misspelling and bad grammar goes across the board, even at MoveOn (http://skitch.com/chilimac/i87...). I've been known to make a mistake once in a while my self. I know, shocking. Maybe that will be the next big tech idea. Electronic campaign posters with built in spell checker. - ChiliMac
I read a medical report once that read "cervical dysphasia" - it was supposed to indicate "cervical dysplasia" epic phail typo. No, it was not my cervix. :) - Mattb4rd
Matt: Some new kind of ventriloquism or lack thereof? - Jay Tannenbaum
If I'm ever around one that talks, I will run. - Mattb4rd
Mark, from Wikipedia: "Swiftboating is American political jargon that is used as a strong pejorative description of some kind of attack that the speaker considers unfair or untrue—for example, an ad hominem attack or a smear campaign. Most accurately, it refers to the repudiation of a politician's personal history by people who were present as that history was made." Does the speaker (Leo) consider my comment to be untrue? - Community Organizer Chuck
if he's maverick whose goose ?his lady friend he just hooked up maybe. LOL. - nick
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Obamamania: Ruth Ferguson posted a link
September 7 at 5:02 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link
"You know that viral video of Sarah Palin talking to graduating evangelical students at Wasilla Assembly of God earlier this summer? The one where she urges them to pray that when it comes to Iraq "there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan." The same one in which she tells them to pray for a gas pipeline, saying "I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that." Well, it turns out she used state funds to cover her travel expenses there -- a total of $639.50. Remember when the separation of church and state used to mean something?" - Ruth Ferguson via Bookmarklet
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l0ckergn0me posted a link
That's what you get for ruining the damn prequels, Lucas.
That's what you get for ruining the damn prequels, Lucas.
That's what you get for ruining the damn prequels, Lucas.
August 5 at 5:24 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link
Awesome! - phil baumann
Excellent. - Mo Kargas
It's about time. - Zach Underwood
When I die, I want that to be done to my body :P - Michael Forian
WOW - Kate Mag via twhirl
great find ,, thanksfor sharing - johnpiercy
He should have seen that coming! - João Almeida
Yeah, the Star Wars prequels really were poor films. Something like "Children of Men" is much better film making, and without all the spaceships and crap. Special Effects films are kind of like hair bands and heavy metal guitar solos. They replace the art with the machinery of artifice. - Dean Terry
So good. they should have done this to him after the first three (made). - Morgan
love it :) - (jeff)isageek
Like! - imabonehead
*Sigh* _Another_ prequel basher. Prequels=Windows Vista. Misunderstood. - Nate Pilling via twhirl
I agree with you, Dean Terry. But at the same time, Children of Men did have a whole heck of a lot of special effects. - Bill Bittner via twhirl
Whatever you think of the prequels, this Lucas statue is EPIC! - Josh Haley
I'm one of very few people who actually kinda liked the prequels. I'm easily entertained. - Tad - the Meme Maker
HAHA!!!!!!! I laughed out loud. omg Thats better than FAIL or FIRED. Seriously. - Mona N.
that is awesome - jason burton
This will also prevent Lucas from destroying my memory of the original trilogy any farther. - Pete Delucchi
I was wondering how long it would take for the geek Star Wars revolt to take shape with the animated prequel. - Ed Roberts via twhirl
The revolt should have started already. Talk about milking a cash cow to death. - Arlan Koizumi
Tad... I'm with you. - John Worthington
i'm sick of starwars already! - orionstarr
My theory on the prequel v original= the orginal trilogy was so open ended - it expanded the mind into this universe beyond imagination. Even in the first one - Obi Wan discusses The Clone Wars with little or no "dumbing down." A real conversation - like explaining to a teen ager old WW2 or Vietnam stories. But in the prequels - everything was dumbed down, explained - that massive universe from the first three was shrunk down and tied up all nice and neat. The mystery died - and so did the luster.... - George Smith
I agree with George. - Lisa L. Seifert
Many bothons died to bring us these photos - Josh Haley
I'm not sick of Star Wars...how could you ever get sick of that? I'm sick of the crapified versions of Star Wars that Lucas foisted on us in the last 10 years in order to sell merchandise. - Wensleydale Scoble
that Indiana movie wasn't good either. I did REALLY like "The Phantom Menace" though,,, but his batting average is not what it used to be. - AnotherⓃⓄⒶⒽ
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"The body of evidence now shows that Neanderthals didn’t contribute any DNA to the Cro-Magnoid OR modern human gene pool. Indeed, Caramelli and his colleagues point out that “the burden of proof is now on those who maintain that Neanderthals might have contributed to the modern gene pool.” - Ranjit Mathoda
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l0ckergn0me posted a link
The Garden Zombie haunts your lawn gnome
July 7 at 7:07 pm - via Reshare - Link
Heh, now that's freaky. - Nick Munson
LOL, that is freaking awesome. I need a garden now just so I can put that in there. - Jason Shultz via twhirl
awesome! - Shawn aka ringking
that is down right freaky... - ChangeForge | Ken Stewart via twhirl
I love that - I want to buy a house just to get one - Jane Quigley
do they have an "under the bed zombie?" because if they do.... - Cee Bee
I'm in for three! love Halloween! - Brad Williams
I chuckled for a good minute on that one.... wooooweeeeeeeeee - Bwana McCall
That is freakin hilarious. My son would crap his pants if he came home and saw that. - Rah™
Apparently you can buy similar, and substantially less expensive, items of this genre at Target every year. - Stephen Pierzchala
Looks like bat boy. - Bill Bittner
That's great, and certainly a good way to get the rest of the neighborhood talking about you... - Brandon Wood
that is excellent - Jim Goldstein