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FriendFeed Blog: Ben Darnell joins FriendFeed: Ben++! - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
superpultdu, jack, NickCodipietro and 133 other people liked this
Welcome, Ben!
- Kevin Fox
Right on! Congrats, Ben.
- Micah
Congrats Ben! Also, congrats to FF you are lucky to have him!
- Jason Shellen
Data storage and scalability rock. :)
- Louis Gray
Ben's feed is here: http://friendfeed.com/bdarnell
- Bret Taylor
Congrats, Ben! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Yeah Ben!!!
- Rachel Lea Fox
so i finally get my answer to this :) http://friendfeed.com/chris...
- MG Siegler
Yeah, sorry I couldn't respond to that one before. :-)
- Kevin Fox
well i be darned .... we now can rejoice, since fast paced additions to already good product are surely fastly coming about off the feedpipe ... it'l be a hectic season of finest upgrades ... I'm sure they'l start with keyboard shortcutze. ... I mean Google Reader rules on that. Intelligent to the extreme. ..Google.com, on the other hand - are we sleeping? .. not even "/" ??.. and that...
more...
- pb:
Congrats Ben! Totally agree with Jason. Our latest project wouldn't have become feasible without Ben -- I'm just so glad we managed to get a fraction of his time before he left! :)
- Simon
Congratulations, Ben! You're joining an awesome team.
- Anne Bouey
Woohoo! Another Googler :)
- Tim Hoeck
Congrats, you are now a "big company"! ;))))
- K.D.
That's not my picture! They got the picture wrong! In fact, I didn't get the letter of hire either. :( Oh, Hi there, Ben...if that's your real name. ;)
- Josh Haley
Good luck Ben! With you our preferred service will go more interesting
- Roberto
from fftogo
you're building a friendfeed army there :-)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Congrats
- Özkan Altuner
Nice, any former Google Reader-er is a friend of mine.
- Mike Reynolds
gratz Ben!
- timepilot
Welcome Bret!
- Michael_techie
So, Facebook...?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Poor Ben Darnell. The last to enter are always the first to leave in mergers.
- beersage
Hiring new staff while in secret acquisition talks, not exactly classy guys. I hope Ben knew what he was getting into
- Glenn Slaven
Why on earth does he use the Duck Hunt theme?
- Vezquex
I don't know.. but it is awesome! :)
- Tim Hoeck
Wow, looks like somebody bumped this!
- Kevin Fox
I think there were a bunch of spam comments made to some 2009-era posts by FF employees. For some reason even after the spam is nuked, the post stays bumped.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Yes, I blocked a spammer that was bumping old posts about FF themes and what not.
- Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
OH HAI!
- Eric - seven eleven
Well, let's see this as an opportunity to raise a virtual glass to Ben and FriendFeed-that-was!
- Kevin Fox
It probably had something to do with the Tornado 2.2 release. I noticed Ben was the one who posted about the release on HN earlier. Edit: Or it could have just been a spammer. *shrugs*
- Gimminy
I don't think it had anything to do with the tornado release - a spammer bumped a bunch of Bret's old posts today.
- Ben Darnell
Here, let me save future spammers some time: Hello my name is ____ and I am an attractive young ____ _____ and I would like to contact with you so that together you and I can ___ with ____ while _____ in a highly ____ manner. Please to be responding as soon as is practical. Without your help, the _____ in U.S. dollars will go unclaimed, and the herbal ______ remedy will wither and die. Yours in all urgent seriousness, _____.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
:D, Stephen!
- Anne Bouey
so sweet))lol
- solncee
Awesome Photo :)
- Adi Prcike
Which shows up more, this pic or the Asian gentlemen on the beach?
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
from iPhone
bret neler oluyor dostum? kardeşi kardeşe kırdıracaksın canım ülkemde!!! işinin başına dön lütfen..
- aynebilim
testa di cazzo se arcasca tutto te veniamo a cercà e non saremo teneri come i musulmani
- Francesco M.
kime dedin onu francesco?
- aynebilim
Bence de Friendfeede sahip çıksın artık...
- Koleksiyoner Ali
Welcome, Ben!
- Kevin Fox
#timewarp
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
Nice Robot (http://friendfeed.com/nicerob...) and Anna Haro (http://friendfeed.com/annaharo) <3
Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart, Medad Rangi, Jandy and 90 other people liked this
ha. :)
- edythe
I'm happy for you guys! You look like an awesome couple!
- AJ Batac
ESO!!!!!!! :-D <3
- Live4Emma (L4S)
Mazel Tov! Such cuteness. Color me happy for ya'll! :):)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
what a love :)
- Alp
Did they meet on FriendFeed?
- Benjamin Golub
yep
- Yolanda
Look at us, we are in love.
- beersage
beersage, that seems like an unfriendly comment. is it?
- edythe
Yes we are, @beersage, and you bumped the post so everyone can look at us some more. Thanks. We love the attention. BTW, @beersage, you may not be aware but the reason this is "news" here is because we met through Friend Feed. Those photos are from the first time we met IRL.
- ·[▪_▪]·
Still cute. Awww.
- Eric - seven eleven
:)
- JA Castillo
:)
- Derrick
Naww.
- Andrew Trinh
from IM
<3 Happy Anniversary. Thank you for finding this and bumping it. :') :-* <3 I love you too, Anna!
- ·[▪_▪]·
:)
- Anne Bouey
AWWWW! YAY! :)
- LB: #TeamMonique
:)) happy anniversary, you two.
- edythe
happy happy!
- MiniMage
♥♥♥
- Michael W. May
This is doubly awesome today!
- Ha3rvey #teamMonique
<3
- c.a.j.
Anna and Robot, sittin' in a tree, ... :)
- Steven Perez
Mazel Tov! :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
less than threeeeeeee!
- esther
:)
- Derrick
♡♡
- Anne Bouey
:-)
- Mary Carmen
lucky robot! ;)
- .LAG liked that
two years?!?! so wonderful.
- Bren
:)
- edythe
That first pic will just melt ya! :D
- c.a.j.
Fwd: Wrote an api library for php (api version 2). You can download it at http://funny15.com/friendf... (via http://friendfeed.com/friendf...)
Seval Aslan, nurettin topal, وكالة 18 نوفمبر and 8 other people liked this
Any chance of putting it up on Google Code or some other place to make it easier to download and keep up to date? Great job!
- Benjamin Golub
Perhaps you could add it to your library repository? If this is not possible, i will create a friendfeed-api-v2-php project on Google Code.
- Nikolai Kordulla
It's best to keep in your own repository so you can keep it up to date. I do plan on showcasing popular libraries though by linking to them from our repository :)
- Benjamin Golub
uploaded on Google Code: http://code.google.com/p...
- Nikolai Kordulla
Nikolai, could you include some examples of basic use of the library?
- Zackatoustra
ok i will add a small example, today.
- Nikolai Kordulla
Love to see an example on how to use this
- Greg
Still no example for use of the php version in the wild?
- beersage
kjkj
- Nagy Istvan
up!
- Sercan
Please send message to my facebook account for questions: http://www.facebook.com/kordull...
- Nikolai Kordulla
Gillmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PST participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
Morton Fox, Gimminy, Nir Ben Yona and 9 other people liked this
Is FF considered the chat room or Ustream? Don't see a chatroom option in Ustream page.
- beersage
FF is the chat.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks, was there an ep last week?
- beersage
Yup!
- Robert Scoble
Steve and Tina, waiting for your call...
- Robert Scoble
I'm on a desktop now, but how do you find the show on the Ustream Viewer App on iOS? I searched Gillmor Gang and Newsgang, no results
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: I hate the Ustream viewer. I can never find anything on it.
- Robert Scoble
and with a crazy cough, we're live!
- Michael Breslin
If you access the http://www.building43.com/realtim... there is a scrolling chat to the right of the window.
- Aron Michalski
Robert: Me too! heheh
- Stephen Pickering
Did it snow in SF?
- Alex de Soto
"If Apple does anything to restrict the amount of content available on the iPad. Game over. They lose." - @Ihnatko
- Stephen Pickering
That sounded like an analog phone ringing on Scoble's desk... a rotary?
- Andrew Hazlett
yes Alex: http://youtu.be/peP53ULq3mo
- Kevin Marks
normal people don't use flipboard
- Andrew Hazlett
The only apps I use are Twitter, Browser, Gmail, Kindle, Netflix, Instagram. I buy games, but I grow tired of them
- Stephen Pickering
Yeah, but Robert, for instance the Ustream App is not as good as the web experience
- Stephen Pickering
aside from NPR i'd rather have a website of any newspaper than their silly apps
- Andrew Hazlett
well, Scoble's iPad probably looks like a treadmill on speed.
- Aron Michalski
If podcasting was dead nobody would want audio only.
- Michael Breslin
what's the "audio" for that, Steve?
- dlature
Fuck Normal.
- Aron Michalski
Wednesday = incremental upgrade.
- Michael Breslin
Does the iPad rub your belly and explain the things you don't understand?
- Aron Michalski
I AM SO NORMAL
- Richard
Trolls!
- Stephen Pickering
If you don't know what normal is, don't use the term.
- Aron Michalski
Aron: OK.
- Robert Scoble
Will the new iPad have a Thunderbolt port?
- Alex de Soto
49999 ipads and 1 xoom to scoble
- Michael Breslin
Or Mainstream
- Stephen Pickering
Under the influential...
- Aron Michalski
Alex - and / or iPhone 5?
- Jerome Hughes
True Wrist was a disappointing demo. Would've had a wow factor had the guy brought a headcam so the audience could see from his perspective.
- beersage
is there a point?
- Laura Norvig
How about @Room_77?
- Alberto Saavedra
I uploaded to youtube this week http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Kevin Marks
The comments were just mindblowingly Techcrunchy.
- Aron Michalski
Kevin is that a tummel show? I'm sorry I missed the Jeff Jarvis episode
- Stephen Pickering
does it have a black light setting?
- Aron Michalski
Anyone Tracking the Social Revolution Communications out of the Middle East?
- Arnie Klaus
The CIA is just padding their budget.
- Aron Michalski
no, that's my puppies. http://tummelvision.tv is audio only
- Kevin Marks
I was hoping the Macbooks would be solid state or at least Hybrid
- Stephen Pickering
the *new
- Stephen Pickering
the Air's are solid state, and the macbooks have an option
- Kevin Marks
mostly nonsense
- Michael Breslin
When Netflix mails me a DVD do they pay a fee to the producer every time it is rented, as well as having purchased the DVD?
- Stephen Pickering
AFAIK no, Stephen, they rely on first sale doctrine.
- Kevin Marks
Pickering: No. First Sale Doctrine.
- coldbrew
too slow :)
- coldbrew
ssd mtbf isn't much lower than mechanical drives, for one
- Michael Breslin
for two they're new enough that they haven't been running long enough to really know
- Michael Breslin
What is first sale doctrine?
- Stephen Pickering
Thanks Coldbrew
- Stephen Pickering
:)
- coldbrew
I just finished paying off my iPad I!
- Stephen Pickering
My iPad has been crashing a lot lately. Is Objective C a faulty or "archaic" language? I've heard that from some corners.
- Stephen Pickering
Keep the kids working in iPod City...
- Aron Michalski
same price
- Arnie Klaus
no way lower, same price
- Michael Breslin
they didn't have such a lead there, Robert
- Jerome Hughes
no competition
- Arnie Klaus
i'd buy 2 if they were 100$
- Michael Breslin
Apple won't even sell you a cable for less than $100.
- Laura Norvig
heck, they're selling 3GS's for $50 now...
- Aron Michalski
I've got enough contracts, thanks.
- coldbrew
SSD Performance - declines: http://bit.ly/em2EQ1 - probably mostly refuted by the manufacturers now
- John Taschek
Costs in rare materials (screen, etc.) will keep the price up.
- Arnie Klaus
$50 with contract isn't $50
- Kevin Marks
If they are taking 30 per cent they ought to give them away!
- Stephen Pickering
Will probably start at $399.
- Alex de Soto
Why should they make less money? Bose Factor.
- Aron Michalski
Original will be $299
- Stephen Pickering
Who's keeping the spreadsheet with these predictions?
- coldbrew
more unit for same prices, as with Mac revs
- Jerome Hughes
Lower current version so they can sell till the 2 ships
- Arnie Klaus
unlocked no-contract Androids are sub $100 http://armdevices.net/2011...
- Kevin Marks
John correct answer is $299
- Stephen Pickering
John: that article is 2 years old nobody had been running ssds for any length of time by then, benchmarks by people who've now had the drives for a couple years mostly show similar performance
- Michael Breslin
(i have 8x256gb crucial c300 in raid 0 for a year now)
- Michael Breslin
can't afford either. Rich man's game.
- Aron Michalski
I'm not sold on SSDs yet, I need more info.
- coldbrew
Stephen - $299 sounds reasonable.
- John Taschek
Is there a futures or hedge market here?
- Arnie Klaus
Price comparison by consumers will be between Nook and Xoom. So I'm sticking with $399 starting price. Maybe $299 for iPad 1.
- Alex de Soto
yes.
- Aron Michalski
Need to get the student (classroom) model price established.
- Arnie Klaus
Why people ignore total cost of ownership is beyond me.
- coldbrew
200!
- Michael Breslin
I bought a new imac for the i7 and it doesn't seem to run any better than my 2008 iMac. I think SSD is the most important factor
- Stephen Pickering
what is the average 4 phone/unit cell phone bill per month?
- Aron Michalski
TCO has been gamed too much and that's mainly why it is ignored.
- John Taschek
If Scoble's the future, not sure I want to go there, ha ha
- Andrew Hazlett
Technical discussion of SSD - block write performance - http://bit.ly/gwjxP1
- John Taschek
I would like a verizon LTE mifi to serve as my portable router for Scoble-style array of devices
- Andrew Hazlett
Aren't you able to surf and talk on Verizon if you're on Wifi and 3G at the same time?
- Alex de Soto
pantslessness ftw
- Laura Norvig
Andrew: heh.
- Robert Scoble
I would like for there to be some competition to Comcast so that we all get fiber to our home
- Stephen Pickering
Aron: I pay more for my cell phones than most people pay for a car payment every month.
- Robert Scoble
Is Google *ever* going to announce their 1Gig fiber test site?
- Andrew Hazlett
World domination is all about making products much more affordable. iPad 1 for $299 and iPad 2 for $499 (considering the fact that screen is going to remain the same).
- Nir Ben Yona
it's been announced Andrew. Stanford housing gonna get it first
- greg hines
John: 1 year ago http://goo.gl/RXCGE
- Michael Breslin
It's never over.
- coldbrew
Saw lots of Iphones in revolution clips.
- Arnie Klaus
John: not long ago: http://goo.gl/LxMXm
- Michael Breslin
Monster name = add 30%
- Aron Michalski
and believe me I abuse my drives
- Michael Breslin
Michael - very interesting. Amazing really.
- John Taschek
WIll Apple add free Mobile Me for all iOS devices next week?
- Alex de Soto
new product opportunity - 12v to multi USB car charging hub
- Jerome Hughes
Glad I'm childless.
- Aron Michalski
Monster name - I think the market is 300 percent markup! At least at Best Buy
- John Taschek
Free the MObilME!
- Arnie Klaus
John: wear leveling in the newer controllers pretty much makes for no degrading, at the very least it's so small as to not be noticeable for many years
- Michael Breslin
John; in my biz, they send us guitar cables for free, we cut off the gold connectors and mail them back to the President.
- Aron Michalski
Let's talk about whether Apple will execute a successful Cloud Strategy. Even Gruber says if they don't the iPad will always be a toy
- Stephen Pickering
data center in NC for Mobile Me http://www.businessreviewusa.com/industr...
- Jerome Hughes
everything i read says ipad in the enterprise is on the rise, so I don't see the toy thing holding water
- Michael Breslin
Aron: if ya got a spare or two... :D
- Jerome Hughes
Interested in if Thunderbolt will be usable with Pro Tools, all the blurb is video based.
- Aron Michalski
80 percent of the enterprises have adopted iPad in some way. http://aol.it/equk0v
- John Taschek
Kind of squashes the toy theory
- Michael Breslin
John: That article says 80% of Fortune 100's, or 80 companies
- Richard
immolation exit.
- Aron Michalski
my life became poorer when Steve stopped producing a podcast feed for the show :(
- Jamie
"Podcasting is dead." --Steve Gillmor
- Michael Breslin
here's a not inexpensive iOS app for... http://www.lextechlabs.com/product...
- Jerome Hughes
podcasting is suiting http://tummelvision.tv pretty well; way more listeners to the podcast than live
- Kevin Marks
it bumped our content-rich site up a lot. I'm happy with it.
- Laura Norvig
everybody loves a bargain; besides Apple fan boys.
- Aron Michalski
live streaming is great, but the feed helps as a fallback
- Jamie
Leo has it right.
- Jamie
Kevin: I didn't say I agreed, I was just quoting, podcasting is mainly for time shifting which is why I prefer it over streaming.
- Michael Breslin
Jamie: Leo is right about what?
- Robert Scoble
the point of groupon is not that you will like most of them, but that once or twice a year you will find the awesome deal that you just have to have.
- Laura Norvig
That said if there is content I want to get bad enough I'll make myself available, so here I am!
- Michael Breslin
they're hardly random
- Jerome Hughes
I mean, his setup is the right way. stream the show but get the content out everywhere; podcast, youtube, reruns etc
- Jamie
Just like QVC's daily value
- Kevin Marks
KMart Blue Light Special on demand? But it must work - you can't argue with $890M in revs.
- John Taschek
of course, I ended up unsubbing to groupon email notifications due to the noise ...
- Laura Norvig
:-)
- Jamie
stereo Steves
- Jerome Hughes
caught red handed :)
- beersage
I like the GG setup :)
- coldbrew
podcast is track :)
- Jamie
IF YOU CAN CONNECT TO THE NETWORK.
- Aron Michalski
Laura - I'm sure I'll click on a Groupon ad once in my life.
- John Taschek
Blockbuster went chap 11 months ago
- coldbrew
Oh Yeah Datasift!
- Stephen Pickering
John, I got some great ice cream with it.
- Laura Norvig
The only problem with @mentions is the Spam
- Stephen Pickering
what did twitter release? missed that
- beersage
Steve people listen to podcasts most during driving time, I can't go to youtube while driving.
- Michael Breslin
"Not obscured by clouds."
- Aron Michalski
I can't imagine Scoble could have notifications on
- Stephen Pickering
yea, @mentions brings me in all kinds of oddity because it's very eager of a search
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
60 viewers!!!! the few, the proud, the pantsless.
- Laura Norvig
Laura N: Its snowing here, so we all wear pants.
- coldbrew
Earthlink
- Jamie
Yeah I wanted to make that case the other day and forgot: Robert: STOP HATING ON NORMAL PEOPLE WE NEED THEM TO CLICK THE ADS SO WE GET EVERYTHING FOR FREE!
- Michael Breslin
I got ipad spam when I mentioned Twitter & FB in a tweet. <_<
- beersage
Michael: good point! But they aren't watching here so won't get pissed.
- Robert Scoble
TIME SHIFTING
- Michael Breslin
That's why you jailbreak, so you can make your own hosts file.
- coldbrew
This is a Realtime Conversational Frontier.
- Arnie Klaus
streaming = if you're not connected to the network you're fucked
- Michael Breslin
chat is too funny
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Some of us don't have 24/7 connection to the network; that's the reality.
- Aron Michalski
an embedded player isn't a podcast?
- Andrew Hazlett
Use a carrier pigeon :)
- coldbrew
brick & mortar that bought the Groupon backer duo's dotcom (where was then) in '00 declared Chapter 11 in '01
- Jerome Hughes
youtube2mp3
- Michael Breslin
I am a normal person.
- Kathleen Hassinger
Andrew, no, not in my book.
- Laura Norvig
If you never leave the house or a major urban area (or leave the country) I guess you're cool.
- Aron Michalski
just coincidence that sri can be shuffled into rsi
- Michael Breslin
Englebart
- Jerome Hughes
Earnings looked good anyway.
- coldbrew
Jerome: I got into Englebart's office.
- Robert Scoble
surprised Apple released Lion/MBPs this week. An event for an iPad speed bump is going to be a little dry.
- Jamie
I'm missing Englebart and Ted Nelson at PDA today :(
- Kevin Marks
nice... that's a great video with him by Cringely
- Jerome Hughes
But my favorite is meeting the team that studies failure of materials (like plane skins, bulletproof glass, etc).
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: Englebart is my hero. The dude is so smart. But he's getting slow lately. Isn't he 83 now?
- Robert Scoble
Laura N, if podcasting is only rss served stuff via iTunes, then I don't see much of a future in it, but making audio and/or video content available in lots of places, including iTunes, that's a different matter entirely
- Andrew Hazlett
Kevin: gotta read Ted Nelson
- Jerome Hughes
Who is Englebart? I know I know Scoble will say, "There's this thing called Google..." heheheheh
- Stephen Pickering
invented mouse
- Jerome Hughes
thats why RSS is dead
- Jamie
I count on my friends who are 3 days behind.
- Aron Michalski
ah, why does this sidebar scroll so far down past the video
- beersage
the mouse is dead
- Rob La Gesse
in other words if you miss it when scoble is the first to tweet it, you'll get it later when everyone else catches up
- Michael Breslin
Englebart invented the gui and the mouse in 1968
- Kevin Marks
Englebart Humperdink
- Stephen Pickering
or even earlier but didn't tell anyone http://www.archive.org/details...
- Jerome Hughes
jeez, Scobles stream comes in quick.
- Jamie
Rob: but is pointing, or not using only the command line
- Jerome Hughes
Englebart was at Interval Research when I worked there (I was a lowly temp, but still got to meet him).
- Laura Norvig
Track was infinitely more interesting, totally random sometimes.
- Aron Michalski
The signal : noise on twitter was much greater then.
- coldbrew
Anyone read Dealers of Lightning? - About the beginnings of Xerox.
- John Taschek
Looking for patterns in the noise.
- Arnie Klaus
watch the noise and when I see something brilliant it stands out -- Robert
- Jerome Hughes
Francine gets on the Gang in the weirdest ways
- Jerome Hughes
Patterns in the noise is a key issue.
- John Taschek
I look for noise in the patterns.
- Rob La Gesse
Ted streaming?
- Arnie Klaus
How much does it cost to watch TED on TV?
- Andrew Hazlett
lots, Andrew
- Kevin Marks
his concept for watching the weight of posts on FF was brilliant; too bad everyone ran away.
- Aron Michalski
I'm "Wiretapping" this episode of GG. I can put it on my server for listening or download unless Steve or TC minds
- Stephen Pickering
Andrew: I think it's about $1,500 for 10 people.
- Robert Scoble
robert what client is that that gives you a stream of tweets in its own seemingly borderless window
- Michael Breslin
that's Twitter for Mac
- Jamie
formerly Tweetie
- Jamie
cool thanks
- Michael Breslin
Stephen, you got last week's ep?
- beersage
TED Webcast costs $500
- Rob La Gesse
Rob is right.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin knows what normal is.
- Aron Michalski
Michael: that's Twitter's own Mac app, available in the Mac app store.
- Robert Scoble
i'd rather be served ads than pay
- beersage
beersage, nope I didn't think of it until today
- Stephen Pickering
and wait till April.
- Aron Michalski
Social Network by a mile
- Stephen Pickering
I'd rather see no ads and pay a few bucks :)
- coldbrew
Inception
- Kevin Marks
I was a little disappointed by Social Network. watched it last week. good but thought it would be better given the hype.
- Jamie
Toy Story 3 is in the running, yes
- Rob La Gesse
This is my TV
- Arnie Klaus
Definitely The King's Speech.
- Nir Ben Yona
And Justin Bieber too.
- Aron Michalski
here's a list, Steve... http://twitter.com/jromeh...
- Jerome Hughes
I used to watch tv in the 90s...those were the days.
- coldbrew
I just watch the ads
- Arnie Klaus
Great movie but not relevant to today as Social Network is
- Stephen Pickering
True Grit
- Aron Michalski
Klaus: :)
- coldbrew
Should vs. will is always the big distinction in Oscar picks
- Andrew Hazlett
slightly disappointed in Toy Story 3
- greg hines
shouldn't be it was excellent
- Michael Breslin
Marks: I can IM it to you if you want :)
- coldbrew
Tell mike we love him
- Arnie Klaus
IM me what? True Grit?
- Kevin Marks
Hey with Thunderbolt he could IM you True Grit!
- Stephen Pickering
Award pause.
- Aron Michalski
Yes, sorry.
- coldbrew
Or whatever its called :)
- Stephen Pickering
The sound on one Ipad clapping.
- Arnie Klaus
award pause on Oscars...
- Jerome Hughes
til next time folks.
- Jamie
cheers
- Andrew Hazlett
Nice find.
- John Taschek
I made a copy of today's episode that you can listen or right click and download audio only here: http://friendfeed.com/stephen...
- Stephen Pickering
Gillmor Gang, recording live today 1:10pm PST participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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Am I the only one here?
- beersage
fodder time?
- Aron Michalski
always good when Father Time makes an appearance
- Jerome Hughes
lots of noise
- Jim Posner
@Kevin - ip address shortage? [impending doom or equip boom]
- clive boulton
Scoble must be in the Swiss bunker with the ruling class...
- Aron Michalski
He is out. Doubt there is a way for him to stay in power.
- Jim Posner
It's only a matter of whether Mubarek pulls a Saddam on the way out.
- Aron Michalski
Daily show did a good bit on how's taking credit http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch...
- Aron Michalski
Really disappointed that CSPAN is not show the Al Jezeera live feed. AJ has been doing a stellar job.
- Jim Posner
AJ CC'd it all, live stream has been amazing.
- Aron Michalski
Cory was good on whether it is a twitter revolution or not: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technol...
- Kevin Marks
Also surprised that the Egyptian gov. has not shut down the AJ feed.
- Jim Posner
How about the Vodafone story? http://www.rawstory.com/rs...
- Aron Michalski
Verizon owns 45%
- Aron Michalski
AJ are using a satellite uplink. Shutting down satellites is really hard
- Kevin Marks
The army seems to be siding with the protesters, which is a good sign.
- Jim Posner
If they shut off the cell service here in the US, all the iPhone /iPad users would go home from the demonstration...
- Aron Michalski
precedents for egypts shutdown: http://opennet.net/blog...
- Kevin Marks
With the army siding with the protesters it seems Mubarak days are very numbered.
- Jim Posner
I also heard reports that there are protest in Jordan. http://www.reuters.com/article...
- Jim Posner
Tweets were going out with DIAL UP numbers to Egyptians to get the story out...
- Aron Michalski
Downgrade work-a-rounds...
- Aron Michalski
Like I've said elsewhere ... the internet is like water ... it gets in the cracks and tears structures apart
- Xenophrenia
ive heard the DSL lines are up
- Tina Chase Gillmor
gradually - bit by bit wears away calcified reality
- Xenophrenia
hard to shut down ICANN's DNS root zone?
- clive boulton
Check ins have leveled out
- clive boulton
foursquare are moving to become a source of useful information with tips emphasized
- Kevin Marks
Check ins become threats to some, spam to others. As I travel for work having my location pushed is handy, especially when I don't exactly know where I am.
- Aron Michalski
Now the maps and check ins are great for finding services in unknown areas.
- Aron Michalski
I doubt location broadcasting will ever reach the impact of Twitter. I thought the internet made the world small and flat, so location loses some of it's importance.
- Jim Posner
foursquare has the challenge of working outside dense urban areas...
- Kevin Marks
FourSquare was smart to make it a game and to offer deals in the venue lists. Allowing users to post venues too. Now with Google and Facebook (& Twitter) all in the game, it's a matter of where you want your main stream to hit the network.
- Aron Michalski
Foursquare has game mechanics. Couple with Yelp, OpenTable, others it would be very powerful. But they operate somewhat as silos.
- John Taschek
check in demographic > 80 pct male
- clive boulton
It says to me that a lot of people don't want to be part of a large organization being another cog in the wheel - for some at least (the others want to get rich ;-) )
- Xenophrenia
Smart to let 4SQ pump to FB and TWR. Women are concerned about stalkers understandably. As some should be of burglars.
- Aron Michalski
Xeno: u defined "maker generation"
- clive boulton
I thought Twitter was making good money.
- Jim Posner
added to FB and Googlemaps, one click bypasses the other location and hits the stream in one less move.
- Aron Michalski
Twitter: $150M to triple - http://bit.ly/hlzbze
- John Taschek
To anyone watching that actually clicks on ads so that I can continue using these services for free: Thanks!
- Michael Breslin
Yet real time information is not necessarily reliable. Right now, there are tweets that say Mubarak is on his way to Switzerland. Who can confirm?
- Alex de Soto
just saw this come across twitter: Al Jazeera Releases Egypt Coverage Under Creative Commons http://rww.to/hfXK3x ;-)
- Xenophrenia
The Onion tweets: Hosni Mubarak Reaches Out To Twitter Followers For Ideas On How To Keep Regime Intact #Egypt #jan25
- Jim Posner
how many of our media giants would release news stories to Creative Commons?
- Xenophrenia
maggot brain?
- Jerome Hughes
touche.
- Aron Michalski
The hubs need to develop and support the 5th guy.
- Aron Michalski
speaking of tech books "The Master Switch" by Tim Wu is getting good press
- Jim Posner
The 5th guy is the next level. Everything else is neoteny.
- Aron Michalski
it's not about what I can get from you ... roi is becoming passe
- Xenophrenia
when I see a start up create a Jeopardy competitor I will be impressed.
- Jim Posner
it's about sharing not 'investing'
- Xenophrenia
that is what I mean when I say we think far to much about 'monetization' ... and the real value is human relationship
- Xenophrenia
and not about monetizing relationship either ;-)
- Xenophrenia
@cliveb - ;-) yes and more hehehe
- Xenophrenia
YES.
- Aron Michalski
yes @kevin - there are a lot of people who can't afford Apple products
- Xenophrenia
a vast number of people in the US make less than $50,000 a year
- Xenophrenia
families - not just individuals
- Xenophrenia
With Android you see people using the same OS with $500 superphones and free throwaways.
- Aron Michalski
Mind you, not all the same version but still the same framework.
- Aron Michalski
yes, exactly Aron
- Kevin Marks
we don't even have consistent internet on Highyway 1...
- Kevin Marks
And as the OS is adopted and a user becomes comfortable, they can move up as they can afford. Near Field will continue to consolidate our money flow into a single bill. As long as it's legal.
- Aron Michalski
best dictators educated at Sandhurst
- clive boulton
looks like Mubarak is finally speaking
- Jim Posner
It's bundling for the rest of your daily life.
- Aron Michalski
NFC will demonstrate more promise when the tag-emulation mode works properly and it can be used when your battery dies.
- coldbrew
Mubarek on air.
- Aron Michalski
He four squared from a Starbucks in Zurich.
- Aron Michalski
He totally has a Lugosi thing going on...
- Aron Michalski
It's Tithing for the Apple Lord...Amen.
- Aron Michalski
How one Exxon station is helping the #craftbeer cause in Alabama #beer - http://blog.al.com/busines...
"Mosele"
- beersage
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Poppaskull (Dogfish Head, Three Floyds collaboration) to be released at FFF pub 11/19 @ 5pm. - http://beernews.org/2010...
Bumping due to another update.
- beersage
The Good, the Bad, and the Drunk at the 2010 Great American Beer Festival… #gabf #craftbeer by @beerscribe - http://www.beerscribe.com/2010...
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New Glarus Brewing thanks fans, says Moon Man is coming back next year #craftbeer - http://www.newglarusbrewing.com/Headlin...
"As for next year’s full line up it will, for the time being, remain a bit of a mystery."
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Stone Brewing Europe search continues: 45 offers incl. Denmark medieval castle & spots in Italy, Germany - http://www.presseportal.de/pm...
You may need to translate the text.
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Desperately Seeking Session Beer: Interview with Dan Carey of @NewGlarusBeer - http://kmweaver.hoppress.com/2010...
"The problem with Ratebeer.com and BeerAdvocate is that you get this little snapshot, that people will drink a glass of beer sitting around in their underwear in front of their computer [...]"
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Get to know future owner of @SierraNevadaCA, Brian Grossman. Talks about his job, Dad's retirement & more - http://www.nytimes.com/2010...
"My father has been reducing his duties as he moves toward retirement."
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I wonder if I can view the Gillmor Gang on my iPad today.. I'll see if I can find a way (besides remotely connecting to another computer.
- Kevin Costain
No, not yet. We don't have that set up with Ustream yet.
- Cliff Gerrish
Not so much in Safari.. lol - http://twitpic.com/1pql0v
- Kevin Costain
I'm also trying the Ustream iPhone app too, I can't seem to find this channel in the application, maybe that's another thing you have to setup from you're end....
- Kevin Costain
I'm hanging out waiting for the call.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: yup, one thing to get on the iPhone app is you have to use Ustream's application, not the webpage for streaming. I'm not sure if Gillmor is setup with that yet. Also, you have to broadcast in 4:3 if I remember right.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin - I think UStream broke the search on their app - I can;t find many shows on the UStream app. It used to work great.
- Rob La Gesse
Hi from Tel Aviv. Can't believe my timing might actually work out.
- Aron Michalski
Yea, Rob and Robert: I installed the Ustream iPhone app, but i can't seem to find the Gillmor Gang by searching.. seems very limited as far as finding shows..
- Kevin Costain
We're not set up with them yet.
- Cliff Gerrish
Froyo has me reassessing my next iPhone purchase. I'm due for an upgrade this June. Contract's up. I love the competition. Hope Google IO will be discussed.
- Rolf Schewe
In time, Cliff, I look forward to it.. having the iPad on the side while I chat.. perfect way to go. Oh, by the way, here's what I get from a search in the Ustream app: http://twitpic.com/1pqmwj
- Kevin Costain
Cliff, let us know, I'm curious to see of it works with the N1 Android version.
- Aron Michalski
It's Gillmor Gang time: http://bit.ly/aG9Sv4 me, @stevegillmor @Scobleizer @jyri and @ajkeen
- Kevin Marks
No lead in music? :(
- Kevin Costain
Music is added in post.
- Cliff Gerrish
You can hum the theme.
- Cliff Gerrish
I could ask someone else to hum it while I play pacman.. haha
- Kevin Costain
We're going to restart after we get Kevin's sound sorted.
- Cliff Gerrish
We should get rid of the banner that says every thursday at 1pm pacific, ya?
- beersage
I like it - it's our goal to be confusing :)
- Rob La Gesse
The banner is right every so once in a while.
- Cliff Gerrish
:) You did make one mistake though. You let Andrew Keen back on ;)
- beersage
Gillmor Gang recording session live now w/ Andrew Keen, Kevin Marks, Scoble and Jyri Engestrom at http://building43.com/realtime
- Cliff Gerrish
I'm waiting for Comcast (i.e. NBC) and the others to start blocking the Google TV device to prevent access
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Seems like the large screen (3 screens and a cloud) won't use a keyboard or mouse.
- Cliff Gerrish
Ah ha! - Gillmor Gang on an iPad. :) http://twitpic.com/1pqpvb
- Kevin Costain
well, it's android based - so nothing is preventing them from setting up the remote interface on a Android Tablet
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
http://www.flickr.com/photos... - how many buttons?
- Kevin Marks
Nice! Kevin - glad to hear we're iPad compatible
- Cliff Gerrish
android remotes is great for personalization (needed since multiple people using), and the remote wars will undergo a radical shift. Can't wait.
- Ian McGee
Google TV, and the ideas behind it are wayyyy overdue..
- Kevin Costain
Google TV is a good conversation starter. But it hasn't settled anything.
- Cliff Gerrish
The trouble is the separation between the web and TV.. regular people don't understand that.. I don't kno if it will ever really be a seamless thing..
- Kevin Costain
How does Google TV compare to Vudu (owned by Walmart), which is embedding this stuff in pretty much everybody's TV sets other than Sony... LG, Samsung, Toshiba, Sanyo...
- Ken Sheppardson
It's going to continue to be product placement.
- Aron Michalski
Ken: Vudu looks like a custom UI (http://www.vudu.com/product...). like many before them..
- Kevin Costain
Agree with Steve; CEO was a weak way to end the keynote
- Ian McGee
The different (if there is one) seems to be they're embedding the functionallity in the TV sets
- Ken Sheppardson
Television is two-way, brains aren't switched off. See McLuhan.
- Cliff Gerrish
The Google TV demo was hilarious, with all the daytime TV upstaging the presenters
- Kevin Marks
The products have to be part of the content or it will never be seen. Look at some of the FX shows, filled with GM cars, making the GPS part of the plot, etc...
- Aron Michalski
They are all trying to target the non-baby-boomer market that are very used to browsing the web on phones and non-computer interfaces and who are not using the TV for consumption (except for video games)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
LOL Keven: still waiting to see how Kevin Costner cleans up the oil with Charmin
- Ian McGee
The large screen used to be a television. Now it's the large Network screen - TV absorbed into all screen sizes.
- Cliff Gerrish
Web.TV was a huge hit, right? :)
- Rob La Gesse
Anyone have a link about the Comcast check-in thing?
- Ross Mayfield
are people forgetting that even Jobs has been down this path with the AppleTV? The difference is that unlike the AppleTV, which was very closed and Mac centric, is that GoogleTV is open and uses the web for it's sources
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Scoble's couch has been completely transformed by technology.
- Cliff Gerrish
There are all sorts of things wrong with my AppleTV, and nobody is fixing it
- Ross Mayfield
and flatulence
- Rob La Gesse
what about those people who don't live on a couch?
- Aron Michalski
Can you browse at, at the very least, non flash websites using Apple TV?
- Kevin Costain
only with a hacked AppleTV @kevin
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
This is the thing.. what about taking a real browser (that can be updated) and letting a TV viewer actually use it - and update it as the web change. .I think this is an amazing idea..
- Kevin Costain
The Network is right for the Large Screen via API/App, but the browser is the wrong interaction metaphor.
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff: You may be right about the browser - there is little learning curve for a user - but at the same time it's so clunky on a TV.
- Kevin Costain
Does anyone have a link to the Android Web Store? Is that live yet?
- Kevin Costain
looking forward to the time that GG is available on my iPad....for now, i'll have to pick it up on the rerun
- Karoli
@Kevin says he's getting GG on his iPad, see his pic: http://twitpic.com/1pqpvb
- Cliff Gerrish
Sony has an AppleTV, its the PS3
- Ross Mayfield
I use my PS3 to watch Netflix instantly all the time
- Ross Mayfield
Deja Vu, Steve Jobs did it again! http://www.youtube.com/watch... (Eric Schmidt as Bill Gates)
- zxspectrum
Cliff: It's me connected remotely to another computer.. I was joking... :) (choppy, no sound).
- Kevin Costain
@Kevin -- bummer. We'll get there.
- Cliff Gerrish
Is this about multitasking or portability?
- Aron Michalski
Portability enables multi-tasking.
- Cliff Gerrish
Gillmor Gang video feed on an iPad would be amazing..
- Kevin Costain
I want the TV that plays Netflix the best - not YouTube.
- Cliff Gerrish
As in watching the GG while putting your laundry in the drier?
- Aron Michalski
The only way to pull off something similar to Google TV is a computer + TV-in Card..
- Kevin Costain
The baby boomers are retiring. What generation now is coming out of college with extra income to spend. That's also why there was a heavy sports theme in all the demos. They are looking past the current demographic to the post-recession buyers
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Too many applications will kill all this though.
- Kevin Costain
TIVO-like interfaces are so bad there is opportunity. And app marketplace for TV is very interesting.
- Ian McGee
lol: Windows Hate
- Kevin Costain
TV Yawn...
- Paul E. Ester
Google isn't selling phones Scobole! They give a mobile OS for "FREE"!!!
- zxspectrum
Cliff: Not working for me. :(
- Karoli
Google IO: "It always STARTS with TV"
- Kevin Costain
Karoli -- yeah, sorry. Kevin was engaging in some design fiction.
- Cliff Gerrish
Sorry Karoli.. I was connected remotely to another computer.. I wish..
- Kevin Costain
Comcast just has to fix their menu system and search may go away as an issue.
- Cliff Gerrish
this conversation is not complete without loic..
- Paul E. Ester
that's not quite true Cliff - I don't want to page thru a menu. I want to type in the names of shows I know I want to watch and queue them up. That's all I want.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
You probably don't want to type either -- the whole menu / schedule interface is dead, we need something new.
- Cliff Gerrish
When will the content providers allow us to watch content we legally have the right to watch over the web when we leave the country, without downloading onto a drive before we leave?
- Aron Michalski
Aaron: Never :)
- Kevin Costain
Cliff - well I do want to type - because that's the fastest way to get what I want. The only reason menus are on TV's now is because of a lack of view resolution and the linking of the keyboard to the interface.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
keyboard issue may go away if an android or maybe even iPhone can be used as a remote/kbd via Bluetooth
- Alex Schleber
netflix seems to have the video ui down..on my iPad, PC, xbox ..mostly the same experience on all platforms
- Jim Posner
bear: could it be possible a speech search could be mainstream on the TV?
- Kevin Costain
Jim, I agree. I think Netflix is the leader in this space.
- Cliff Gerrish
Kevin - with what Android offers, speech and typing are both available
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
here's the android as remote control demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Kevin Marks
It sucks with the amount of international travel that I can't watch Hulu or Daily show highlights once I go to work.
- Aron Michalski
I dont' want a bluetooth keyboard on my coffee table, but I don't need one. Android phone now, and later tablet. Phone is often out while watching TV anyway.
- Ian McGee
bear: speech seems clunky and definitely not something that would work in an open living room of people. That tech needs to mature much more to really be useful. Maybe the Android phone will become the mic?
- Kevin Costain
Little screens need to be able to talk to bigger screens. Keyboards and mice are not part of video.
- Cliff Gerrish
Steve, Comcast has major advantages including lessons learned via their participation/leadership in Project Canoe
- Dave Martin
Seems like Comcast is in a position to block Google's TV move.
- Cliff Gerrish
Kevin, agree that speech is cumbersome - but for me the fact that one Android based device can handle voice, text, mouse, whatever opens up the world of TV consumption to sooo many more folks than currently
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Google needs to buy Comcast/NBC
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
bear: oh, I aggree. So much of this will hinge on adoption. But the underlying ideas look amazing. I can see my Grama speaking "House" and getting to watch that show on her TV..:)
- Kevin Costain
Android voice translation is pretty impressive in the proper surroundings; with a TV up loud, it may be problematic.
- Aron Michalski
Kevin - *exactly*
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
VP8 vegetable juice - healthier than the flashy alternatives?
- Kevin Marks
I didn't get to see what my Grama thought of the iPad - I forgot to bring it the last time I saw her.. :(
- Kevin Costain
h.264 is for the devices only because the hardware support for VP8 will be coming in the near future
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
We may still see a patent challenge to VP8.
- Cliff Gerrish
very excited about VP8, I remember when VP6 came out and it blew my mind with its quality.
- David Robit Chen
IE9 will only support VP8 with a codec installed
- Kevin Costain
mufflers...
- Aron Michalski
hahaha.. patents? boring?
- Kevin Costain
it has an API now!
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Wave isn't a stream, it's a document. Thats why it feels wrong as a stream
- Kevin Marks
Wave = Working in small teams. That' s the key. Small
- Kevin Costain
The document metaphor is coming to an end.
- Cliff Gerrish
Wave=collaboration; Buzz=social, location, content.
- Aron Michalski
I embedded Wave on my blog: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2010...
- Kevin Marks
twitter/buzz are broadcast/subscription tools; wave is a collaboration tool for small groups -- it has now discovery and public facing items
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Kevin: Cool and sloooow
- Kevin Costain
I waved goodbye to wave 2 minutes after playing with it. Noisy, messy and irrelevant
- Rob La Gesse
Robert, do you *still* think Google Wave is an abortion?
- Kevin Costain
Wave always felt like cool back-end tech to me -- just needs applications on top.
- Ian McGee
Man, more tinsel for Scoble's nest...
- Aron Michalski
That's what the API will enable - people are going to be able to take the distributed nature of the operational transform that is in Wave and use it to solve new problems that Wiki and other collaborative tools have
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert: In fairness, there are no comment stream permalinks in Friedfeed or Buzz either, both of which I've always thought were huge mistakes. The "info atoms" still need to be addressable, always...
- Alex Schleber
Kevin: as Wave exists today it is an abortion. Where it is going tomorrow is very interesting.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: agreed.
- Robert Scoble
I enjoy that Buzz has the ability to post/search out of the 2.1 Android Google Maps layer.
- Aron Michalski
yes bear, except that the document format that wave has for the operational transforms to act on is a mess
- Kevin Marks
Permalinks to specific content is fine, but you'd need a way to signal it to other wave users.
- Scott Greiff
the *UI* to Wave has issues - the tech behind it is still amazing and getting better
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Those Apple headsets sound pretty damn good.
- Scott Greiff
Something that jumped out in the Google TV & android demos was the optionally interactive ads.That's huge. Compare to skipping ads on TV now...
- Ian McGee
on my phone, I check in with Google Buzz because Google Map is always on
- Da
I don't use Buzz because it doesn't support Google Apps for Domains.
- Scott Greiff
Wish there was a hook from Buzz to FF... but of course,that would be silly, right?
- Aron Michalski
Apples and bananas?
- Cliff Gerrish
says Jyri - the social graph is going to be the basis of most of the revenue on the web over the next 5 years
- Kevin Marks
Scott: I can't wait until later this year when more of those apps are supported
- Kevin Costain
Android passed iPhone. where will Apple be in the future?
- Da
Good show
- Ian McGee
Thanks guys.
- Aron Michalski
Great show guys..! Bye.
- Kevin Costain
Android passed iPhone in the race to the bottom. Is that a laudable achievement?
- Scott Greiff
Good show, thanks guys.
- Alex Schleber
Good show (as always!)
- Scott Greiff
Apple will continue to make high-end hardware that is consumer "safe". Google (via Android) will make tools that allow the other 80% of the world to do what they want
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
all good
- Ross Mayfield
There would be more viewers, except they're all on a plane to Asia.
- Ian McGee
so apple is BMW, and Google is the rest of the cars out there?
- Da
well, Google is the tech behind the mass market tools that are being built. They don't care if the car has logo X with color Y and sold in market Z -- they want to be the provider of the data and the tools that use the data.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
just checked out Kevin Marks' Wave embed on his blog...goodness is it slow: 2 not even very big Waves took 15+ seconds to load, on a reasonably fast machine with fast connection, in Chrome...
- Alex Schleber
I'd like to see a phone manufacturer take Cyanogen Mod and release a phone with that. That would be a signal that all this "open" stuff Google is shoveling is giving value to some real open initiatives. But how much to do you wanna bet that all this "open" talk by Google is really just to make Google look good?
- Scott Greiff
Thanks guys, it was great to be on the show.
- Jyri Engestrom
Gillmor Gang, Live Recording Session at 1:00PM PT. Participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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I'm now standing by, ready to talk about iPads iPads iPads iPads. :-)
- Robert Scoble
So am I.. :)
- Kevin Costain
I wonder if you'll talk about the recent Apple changes for developers? - http://theflashblog.com/... - that's some crazy stuff..
- Kevin Costain
iPhone OS 4 not iPads please!
- Alex de Soto
Alex: is there a difference? :-) Kevin: of course we'll talk about that.
- Robert Scoble
I'm just jealous. Don't have an iPad but I do have a 3GS phone. :(
- Alex de Soto
My iPad should be here in Toronto in a few days.. :)
- Kevin Costain
Well, why not talk about how Apple mindfucks people into accepting ads as OS features? ;)
- Jorge Valentín
Jorge: I thought that was what Google does - Apple just makes you pay for it.. :)
- Kevin Costain
Don't get me wrong, am all for devs getting revenue from whenever they can to leave their software free... I'm just saying its ironical that they introduce them as an "OS enhacement".
- Jorge Valentín
Jorge, it was a developer event. iAds is a developer feature. I dont understand the problem.
- Jamie
check this response from Adobe: http://theflashblog.com/...
- Jamie
What app was that?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Robert: I guess you gave the second iPad to him :)
- Kevin Costain
AP does a great job on the Nintendo wii.
- Alex de Soto
Alex: That iPad blend was amazing... great stuff!!
- Kevin Costain
Steve shaved and got a haircut for his enterprise job on Monday!
- Francine Hardaway
yes, congrats to Steve on the new gig!
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I had the same glitch with the WSJ app
- Francine Hardaway
congrats Steve! please keep the Gang going!
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
I wonder if anyone has done a review of the iPad WITHOUT paid apps? How useful is it without any apps or paying for more apps? I recall seeing on Techcrunch that 28% (?) of the apps in the store are free.. not many really..
- Kevin Costain
I have paid more for iPad apps than I ever paid for iPhone apps
- Francine Hardaway
Hey Steve, congrats on your new role at Salesforce
- Mike Doeff
This is where I came in -- track
- Francine Hardaway
Still miss track
- Mike Doeff
yea, track was what kept me at twitter once the "oh cool" phase wore off
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
how useful is any computer without apps? not very
- Jamie
Lots of Big co's now like Open source
- Kevin Marks
congrats to Blaine on landing at Ribbit
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
An iPad with no apps is a really nice web browser... you can then run web apps, and read ePub books
- Kevin Marks
What about the IBM/TurboHercules patent mess? I'm hoping that's where we are going....
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Oracle's "true" colors will be how deeply they bury MySQL - it's not Open Source if you can't get to the source
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Jamie: I agree that apps are what make the platform what troubles me is that I'm seeing lots of people who bought iPads dumping alot of cash on paid apps. Most platforms are incredibly valuable because of what you can do out-of-the-box (or as free updates or installed apps)..
- Kevin Costain
Steve re that you have to read adobe's response to that change in the developer agreement: http://theflashblog.com/...
- Jamie
iPad is a Consumer device - capital C consumer where as Apple will do as much value-add as they can to continue the cash flow after the initial purchase.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Right. No reason to write native apps anymore. Except they are still making money
- Francine Hardaway
Blaine: except that a web app that isn't Apple's (which has access to hidden API's) cannot have notifications, background updates, location services, and so on
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Safari does have access to location services
- Jamie
Tight integration seems to be winning across the board. Web apps don't have that yet.
- Cliff Gerrish
Doesn't Apples move actually encourage HTML5 app development?
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff: I think you're right - either that or a move away from developing for the platform itself..
- Kevin Costain
Kevin C. - As long as there's money to be made in the ecosystem, devs won't move from it.
- Cliff Gerrish
In some ways Apple, Google and Microsoft are just making app devs choose which mobile platform to focus on
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
But, is whomever that posted this (http://theflashblog.com/...) correct in saying that Apple's intention to "kill" the Flash platform?
- Kevin Costain
yes bear, so we need to extend html5 to add more native support
- Kevin Marks
PhoneGap is still a valid approach for cross-platform development. It won't work for games or heavy-duty processing, but you can do a lot of simple stuff that way.
- Matt M (inactive)
My mistake - I didn't see that it was Lee Brimelow that posted that..
- Kevin Costain
... and it's still officially sanctioned by apple
- Matt M (inactive)
KevinM - yep exactly
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert is right
- Jamie
native apps still perform stronger than anything i'm seeing in HTML5 too
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
But those apps could have been done without needing to fully know Obj C last week. I could have wrote something in many other languages....that's the argument. It has nothing to do with the end user, it has to do with developers and easier cross-platform dev.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Both Google and Apple can push HTML5 forward via WebKit. It seems like MSFT is on board too.
- Cliff Gerrish
for now. Marshall
- Francine Hardaway
Remember that closed is also "family-friendly." Even though a smart kid can get smut from the open Web.
- Alex de Soto
GillmorGang Recording Session w/ Blaine Cook, Kevin Marks, Doc Searls, Scoble now at: http://building43.com/realtime
- Cliff Gerrish
PhoneGap is sanctioned. They went through this a few months ago and worked with Apple to come up with something that would work for Apple and PhoneGap.
- Matt M (inactive)
0y. 6 months to obsolescence
- Francine Hardaway
There is no market outside of the iPad market -- it's still in the process of being created.
- Cliff Gerrish
cliff right
- Robert Scoble
What Doc is saying is the one thing that is making me give a "pass" to Apple for the moment since soon Android tablets will be available
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
My attention to Buzz lasted about three weeks
- Mike Doeff
But there is no Android phone or tablet without the work that Apple has done.
- Cliff Gerrish
News on the possible RIM tablet.. http://bit.ly/9TFfqq
- Kevin Costain
Cliff - HTC has shown they have the same level of "wow" hardware design skills as Apple IMO - so i'm hoping they will do something
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Bear, they seem to have 'fast follower' skills -- not original design/market making skills.
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff: what is good about iPad is only 20% hardware, though.
- Robert Scoble
@Cliff - I disagree on that. If not Apple, the CrunchPad would have sparked the movement. Not saying the Joo Joo is great but the CrunchPad sparked lot's of early interest.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Cliff: for those of us with normal household budgets, fast follower is good enough :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert: It's the whole ecosystem. Apple's been preparing it for 10 years.
- Cliff Gerrish
Apple's ecosystem can only be challenged by a user/consumer backlash. As long as this sells, it won't be moved from the top spot..
- Kevin Costain
Mark: the CrunchPad got my interest because Mike was aiming for $300, not $500, and the slate idea is something that catches our interest. Apple has satisfied that interest and now other players will have a tough time to get going.
- Robert Scoble
Open messaging protocols seem to be fundamentally different that "open" computing platforms.
- Cliff Gerrish
Kevin: and the users are NOT revolting. If anything they are becoming more evangelistic about Apple products.
- Robert Scoble
Bambi vs. Godzilla: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Cliff Gerrish
Robert: From all indications I see - your right. I often hear about the iPhone killer (Blackberry Storm) or no the iPad killer (JooJoo or HP slate). I can't how anything but the consumer could be an iPhone or iPad killer.. and they are clearly enthralled with apple right now..
- Kevin Costain
We always checked into panels at SXSW. That was almost virtual
- Francine Hardaway
hmm, I should go talk to some of my Comcast friends about their tv checkin idea
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Francine: exactly. I checked into a revolving door party too. :-)
- Robert Scoble
bear get them to look at the netflix activity stream
- Kevin Marks
1bn impressions
- Jamie
its entirely at the developers discretion
- Jamie
and a way for them to subsidise development.
- Jamie
Free apps in exchange for watching ads. It's television.
- Cliff Gerrish
But, should the check-in be equated to something we actually do in the real world? I almost feel like a new expression is just being created for us. We already express ourselves in the short-form (Twiller), and in the longer form (Blogger) or storytelling (books). Where do we do check-in in real life (except for a hotel)?
- Kevin Costain
Yep. I also use Foursquare and don't know why. But, Doc, I am the Mayor of 33 places:-)
- Francine Hardaway
KevinM: that was one of the techs on my short list
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
hashtags are the virtual checkins we actually use
- Kevin Marks
I managed to be the mayor of one place myself. I would love to know why (other than checking in there.. lol)
- Kevin Costain
Look at the iPad Placement in Modern Family. Brilliant and so natural
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: You thought that was natural? Wow.
- Kevin Costain
Can't wait to see a Lady Gaga anti-litter campaign.
- Alex de Soto
The Truman Show lives.
- Cliff Gerrish
Kevin, Yeah, because don't you think there were hundreds of thousands of Guys out there who were really like that guy? I was!
- Stephen Pickering
If a product is really part of the culture, why shoudln't it be a natural part of the story?
- Stephen Pickering
it helps developers make money. developers stay on the app store. apple wins.
- Jamie
Stephen: True, i'm one of those guys. But, what was not natural was how forced the storyline was in that show. And doesn't Steve Jobs partly own the parent company of the show. Eeesh, just a but funky I'd say..
- Kevin Costain
Apple is selling a lifestyle and the tools to get there - just like fashion magazines and clothing companies have been doing for decades. They are just one of the first tech companies to make a successful transition to consumer space
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Perhaps I think a bit too critically about that - but while I was watching the show - it felt wrong, wrong, wrong. I can understand not everyone felt that way.
- Kevin Costain
Kevin, didn't feel forced to me. I enjoyed it, but we can agree to disagree. Yes, I realized Disney owns ABC, but what I find interesting is that there are a lot of Macs in that show, but the Apple Logo is covered by a sticker on all of them at least in the older epidsodes. I wondered why
- Stephen Pickering
The page turn on the iPad is beautiful.. I love the look of that..
- Kevin Costain
Every day I enjoy and more amazed by my iPad. Last night I watched a movie on the wicked netflix app and I can just carry that movie with me wherever I go
- Stephen Pickering
http://romeda.org/rePublish is Blaine's ebook reader
- Kevin Marks
the #qanda hashtag works that way in Australia. Its a weekly TV ABC show where a panel of politicians and other people take questions. The Twitter stream is becoming integral, democratizing
- Hilary Talbot
We are the world's biggest consumers! The iPad fits the culture perfectly.
- Alex de Soto
But, Stephen, you (and any other viewer of the show) are the indicator for whether or not they went too far. The rating will always reflect that. The question is, though, do you think that show helped sell iPads? If we are to think of the show as an advertisement.
- Kevin Costain
Hilary - I often bring up Twitter now when I'm watching the rare live TV show (most of my TV consumption is time-shifted now)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
really blaine?
- Jamie
Yes, I do a bit with other shows, too, bear. The interesting thing about Q and A is that the ABC knows its happening and plays to it as well.
- Hilary Talbot
What Blaine is talking about was demoed (IIRC) at Xerox Parc in the 70's -- the system followed you from room to room and any computer you were next to became your workspace
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
All of the other tablet devices are inferior in the number of things they leave out. Simplicity rules.
- Cliff Gerrish
Kevin, oh yeah, I think it did. When I saw him blow those "virtual" candles out with his real breath, that pushed me over the edge.
- Stephen Pickering
scoble ftw
- Jamie
Hilary - oh snap - I didn't realize it enabled a tighter feedback loop
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
haha.. dont let them pick on you Scoble!
- Kevin Costain
User Experience is the Killer app, that's what drives popularity which then leads to a platform ecosystem
- Stephen Pickering
You're right Robert, the user experience is incredible.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I've heard this argument before.
- Robert Scoble
Stephen: I thought the timing was a bit off - but that was pretty cool.. :)
- Kevin Costain
yea, I wonder why more folks are not calling "follower foul" on Apple for bringing in some of the Nexus One features
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Moore's Law and Battery Life are on a collision course.
- Cliff Gerrish
THe thing is, any of these companies could build a similar device, but they don't. It's like they are blindsided
- Stephen Pickering
we heard the argument just 3 years ago. the iphone doesnt do this, it doesnt do that.
- Jamie
The phone wars are over. The pad is the next battle ground
- Stephen Pickering
Yes, very much, Bear, And the q's are kind of off-the-cuff , so you see a different side of the panelists.
- Hilary Talbot
And nothing does ALL of this/that together.. really a glowing rock with 11 hours of battery life would sell.. :)
- Kevin Costain
What else compares to that? No PC of any sort..
- Kevin Costain
Hilary - ah, I can see how not having a prepared script will cause them to react in a more organic/normal way to questions
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I switched from my Blackberry to Andriod for the touch interface.. the Storm doesn't do it for me either.. I'm still using the G1 (for now)..
- Kevin Costain
This is a marriage of the Analog and Digital world.
- Stephen Pickering
The only thing I see about the iPad that causes me to not immediately buy one is just that my $dayjob requires me to have more than one application's window active as I do research or fix issues. I would need 2 or 3 iPads *and* have them be able to share data
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
It took me about a week to totally get used to the iPad. And when the new OS comes out it will be even better.
- Francine Hardaway
Stephen - GUI + NUI (Natural User Interface)
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff, ah yes, I like that, NUI
- Stephen Pickering
I have carried nothing but the iPad all week. I do have a problem with productivity apps and attachments. I presume OS 4.0 will fix that
- Francine Hardaway
An interesting perspective on how the iPhone was a training tool for a new era of iPads.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
the iPhone was also a proving ground for small UI's and if the user would accept a single task oriented consumer device
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Viewing the twitter stream by touch gesture is incredible, I must say. It's a much more natural way of travelling through the stream
- Kevin Costain
Does it have a mike and camera?
- Alex de Soto
Where's Dave Winer?????
- Francine Hardaway
yeah get dave in the picture
- Jamie
Don't be so sure he doesn't want to be on
- Francine Hardaway
Get Dave on!
- Mike Doeff
Holy crap, a true kick-ass conversation on FF <sniff> This is beautiful man </sniff>
- Dave Hodson
so is the Chirp conference just a "make them feel good" while they sharpen they knife?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Liked Ben Long's naysayer about iPad. Exactly my experience. Amazed the way all you guys have drunk the kool-aid.
- Jefferson Berlin
Loic didn't seem happy
- Stephen Pickering
This is what Calacanis warned of though
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: especially since they announced the "Official" BlackBerry app
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Loic has said Seesmic is about helping you connect with your brand, not about Twitter
- Francine Hardaway
Yeah, he didn't like "official"
- Stephen Pickering
Yes! Congrats Steve!
- Kevin Costain
a great show Steve!
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
cool, Scoble's playing Geometry Wars.
- Vezquex
The 4/9 ep is on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- beersage
Double posts from FriendFeed to Twitter? Anybody else getting this?
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I have same problem
- 落后青年李三海
Yep.
- Alex Lomas
Yes Yes
- Mark Horne
It's being going on intermittently for a while now.
- Space & Astronautics News
I have the problem
- forcode
Space, I've done this for months and it just started for me! Hopefully it doesn't last because I have to turn off the Twitter connection which in turn means that they don't go to Facebook anymore. I don't see what the Friendfeed guys would have changed to create this behavior unless it was on the Twitter end. Anything to do with new version of Firefox?
- beersage
Double posts from FF to FB -- as well as FF no longer updating FB status; only posting to Wall. Something fishy going on at FF: a surfeit of new issues, and ... no response. At all. Kinda ominous....
- Matthew Weymar
I also have double posts to twitter since yesterday
- Alexandros Georgiadis
I am getting double posts from FriendFeed to Facebook as well -- sucks. You would think since they are owned by Facebook they could at least get that part right. I agree with Matthew -- this seems sort of like circling the toilet bowl.
- Brian Sullivan
I think it happens only from bookmarklet or other feeds, not with direct posts.
- Alexandros Georgiadis
I have the FF to FB problem.
- AJ Batac
I've actually cut all connection between FF and Twitter and some items are still going through -- and some are doubled. This needs to be fixed immediately.
- Cliff Gerrish
I'm not having a problem with double posts, but I don't have FB connected to Friendfeed either.
- Karoli
I think this has something to do with FriendFeed's implementation of Oauth with Twitter.
- Cliff Gerrish
Same here, I even have some RSS feeds still pulling blogs I had disconnected earlier this week
- Yann Ropars
Bump for the above comment. All my disconnected feeds are still posting, I think.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
What everyone will be talking about: The American Craft Brewer - http://beernews.org/2010...
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Full-length DVD & coffee table book about craft beer is coming
- beersage
#Cask #beer wave washes over #Seattle with fest, pubs | Seattle Times - http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html...
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Interesting. I need to find a beer to order for a wedding and I don't know anything about beer. Research time.
- joey
Joey: where is the wedding taking place? I can help!
- beersage
This is a guy I have read before and this is his take on "Guinness' worst nightmare": Belhaven Scottish Draught: http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/communi... He gives it a B+ but I would rate it higher since I only drink for meals and this is very complimentary to a meal
- Melanie Reed
Belhaven does their signature St. Andrews Ale which is also smooth and a good compliment to a meal but as Guinness knows they also have a stout and here is the review from my own hometown: http://www.examiner.com/x-3242-...
- Melanie Reed
Gillmor Gang, Live Recording Session at 1:00PM PT. Participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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- Cliff Gerrish
as if right-leaning commentators don't have enough platforms already. :(
- Karoli
Well, Andrew's not really right-leaning. More of a wobble.
- Ken Sheppardson
Why does Andrew live in Alabama?
- Stephen Pickering
I like Merlin Mann's comment - "The people who love the iPad they haven't used yet actually have a lot in common with the people who hate the iPad they haven't used yet."
- Ken Sheppardson
iPad is not a laptop, looking forward to consuming media and in particular Wired Mag.
- michael sean wright
I want an iPad just because the incredible speed. That's a very under rated quality in computers. People want things that just turn on like TVs
- Stephen Pickering
lol...Steve had a mellow pill today.
- Karoli
Steve Jobs, Eric Schmidt and an iPad in Palo Alto: http://gizmodo.com/5503004
- Kevin Marks
Newspapers like the New York Times, and even the SF Chronicle already have incorporated video.
- Cliff Gerrish
Kevin: You think there's any chance that wasn't a staged PR move? I can't imagine it wasn't. [i.e. Jobs/Schmidt]
- Ken Sheppardson
it's the difference between flat and engage-able right?
- michael sean wright
Ah, there's the problem w/ Newspapers - they're a break from the computer. There are no breaks anymore.
- Cliff Gerrish
Maybe weʻve been waiting for this medium for a few centuries, and only now will have a good medium to read.
- Arnie Klaus
Iʻve feel good reading from my clay tablet.
- Arnie Klaus
it IS about new markets as well. When was the last time a 20 something got excited about print?
- michael sean wright
I quit taking the paper because it was paper. I read all news online. All.
- Karoli
If everybody goes to online media, how in the world will my mom send me clippings from the local paper when people I didn't know in school get married?
- Ken Sheppardson
paper newspapers are always out of date these days
- Hilary Talbot
Ken, she can print them out.
- Cliff Gerrish
I saw some excited people saying 'we destroyed your business, now we want your machines' to newspapers at SXSW
- Kevin Marks
The iPad solves the problem that newspapers never have any news that happened today.
- Cliff Gerrish
WSJ is a different animal, its a business write off expense, its like the Daily Racing Form, it pays for itself for its audience
- Stephen Pickering
I am paying for WSJ, too. I use it exactly as Steve does.
- Francine Hardaway
more so than computers, cliff?
- Hilary Talbot
You mean paper isn't redundant?
- Karoli
Who still uses paper? We got rid of it in the '80s, didn't we?
- Ken Sheppardson
Donʻt we generally pay for good writing when we want it?
- Arnie Klaus
I can't even read print books anymore. I use Audible. BTW, hi everybody:)
- Francine Hardaway
I read the NYT and Wash Post on my iPhone every morning. Would love to read them on a larger screen. Not sure if I would pay though. No more paper. Just newspixels.
- Alex de Soto
I won't pay for the WSJ. Period. just clicked a link to them and shut it down. I'll pay for content, but not when Murdoch owns it.
- Karoli
Do newspixels kill trees?
- Francine Hardaway
I love print books. I read both. They both work great.
- Cliff Gerrish
books are different. there are some I'll buy in print. but I do love 'em in electronic format.
- Karoli
No, this is about building a compelling context/ experience within a new form. Those that just repackage content lose. This is about immersive opportunity. Mix the mediums to create something exciting.
- michael sean wright
OMG! If I couldn't use my existing log in I'd be pissed!
- Francine Hardaway
Sean, right, Markets aren't served, Markets are created
- Stephen Pickering
This may be like buying CDs to replace your vinyl. Ipad to replace your paper.
- Cliff Gerrish
Curious to see strips and cartoons like on GoComics on the iPad. A good comic strip experience is what I miss from online newspapers.
- Alex de Soto
Damn, that is exactly Supply Side thinking on Steve's part. That is exactly "Say's Law" Supply Creates Demand
- Stephen Pickering
uh oh :(
- Karoli
aaa.. steve was on a roll
- Christopher Harris
Yeah, video dropped
- Ken Sheppardson
Murdoch pulled the plug
- Alex de Soto
Good old real time.
- Francine Hardaway
We'll be up shortly.
- Cliff Gerrish
Alex, he probably did.
- Karoli
On a roll with the Supply Side argument
- Stephen Pickering
Alex, that's hilare
- Francine Hardaway
what just happened.
- beersage
I want an iPad for consuming the Gillmor Gang
- Francine Hardaway
We're back
- Cliff Gerrish
China!!
- Arnie Klaus
I'd love an iPad to draw on, among other things.
- Hilary Talbot
Everyone is going to buy one, just as they did the ipod because its a transcendent object of beauty and functionality that no one can match, once that happens you only need a few percent to actually subscribe to things to make it work
- Stephen Pickering
Supply side relates mostly to commodities...I believe Steve is discussing Innovation...a better way to consume news. Probably if the iPhone is an example of a better way to consume messages of all type.
- Paul Sherer
Well, I may just use it for other things. That I donn't have to subscribe to
- Francine Hardaway
Supply Side relates to Says Law of Supply Creating Demand, not Demand Creating Supply, which is most apt in discrecionary industries, not commodities
- Stephen Pickering
hilary, drawing is something I hope it handles nicely, because I'm also looking forward to that.
- Karoli
thing is for me http://twittertim.es/kevinma... or http://aldaily.com beats a single site
- Kevin Marks
Oh yeah, didn't yall see that Brushes app. That alone will kill it for artists and even non artists
- Stephen Pickering
Seems like people have found lots of things to do with the iPhone. Same will be true of the iPad.
- Cliff Gerrish
Karoli, I guessed you would too. How it would handle compared to a wacom tablet I don't know, but the whole touch to draw thing is wonderful
- Hilary Talbot
Look at all the stuff around the office, home and school it displaces. Look at how we gang consumers are cloud based early adapters.
- Arnie Klaus
and the size would be easier than the iPhone
- Hilary Talbot
Cliff take that and multiply it by the factor of how much larger the screen is, and that's how big this thing is going to be
- Stephen Pickering
are we done for the day?
- Francine Hardaway
where's tina?
- Francine Hardaway
No, stream keeps going up and down. Conversation still going on. We're working on getting it fixed.
- Cliff Gerrish
This thing will be so wildly successful people won't believe it
- Stephen Pickering
It should be easier for 2 people to play chess and board games on this thing. So it will be family-friendly: Perfect for starting fights about who's hogging it.
- Alex de Soto
Whose winning!!
- Arnie Klaus
I agree Stephen
- Hilary Talbot
Thanks Hilary :-)
- Stephen Pickering
The Gang should take a vacation until the 3rd
- Stephen Pickering
Oh I just realized thats next week
- Stephen Pickering
OK, we join our conversation in progress...
- Cliff Gerrish
Need to change the banner at Building 43 to say Gillmor Gang Friday not Thursday.
- Arnie Klaus
It must be Thursday somewhere...
- Cliff Gerrish
It just hit me that this will work because there are so many mags I have been planning on subscribing to but haven't simply bc I'm too lazy to fill out the little card and send it in, with the iPad, I'll simply click
- Stephen Pickering
Yes - a new banner is on my list, and in the works. But SXSW stole my last month!
- Rob La Gesse
People will pay for information that makes them money. Most newspapers don't do that.
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff, right
- Stephen Pickering
What about micro-payments for articles. One cent at a time or so. Just like PPV on cable.
- Alex de Soto
They are over handicapping, over analyzing this thing. For magazines its simply going to work. News papers probably not
- Stephen Pickering
How big does something have to be before it's "mass media"?
- Ken Sheppardson
That would be Andrew:-)
- Francine Hardaway
It's about depth. Journalism has a grand opportunity here. RE-thinking the model of publishing.
- michael sean wright
Hi end niche publishing is good. I will pay for some great content. By micropayments if my social graph tells me it's worth reading
- Francine Hardaway
So which is the Ludington Daily News? My hometown paper. It was always schleppy and mass produced. Or is it a high end niche product, with an audience of 15K?
- Ken Sheppardson
A trade magazine like Cinefex on the iPad would be awesome.
- Alex de Soto
Alex. You already said the thing about micropayments
- Francine Hardaway
I cancelled the NYer because it overwhelmed me. Now I get the feed and choose my story to read for the week.
- Francine Hardaway
hi all
- Amyloo
I think Obama is introducing a new public "News-Care" reform next week. Don't worry, folks - the government will provide you all the news you REALLY need - and for "free".
- Rob La Gesse
hey Amy!
- Hilary Talbot
Hi Amyloo
- Francine Hardaway
My hometown paper http://www.ludingtondailynews.com I suppose they could just send iPads out to all the farms, install cell towers, and turn it into an iPad Store App.
- Ken Sheppardson
Bad boy, kr8tr
- Francine Hardaway
You are making an interesting point Ken
- Francine Hardaway
La Gesse - what kind of cough syrup are you drinking?
- michael sean wright
@Francine - always ;)
- Rob La Gesse
looking forward to reading long form on ipad. will be more comfortable in every way
- Amyloo
@MSW - it's government issued cough syrup - so who knows what is in it? :)
- Rob La Gesse
You know my hometown paper, which is total crap the Arkansas Democrat, actually has been charging people from the beginning for web access, and they've actually been one of the few success stories
- Stephen Pickering
sigh...
- Karoli
easier to see than iphone, more curlupwithableness than monitor or laptop
- Amyloo
I'm about to subscribe to historical papers. The archives are meaningful to me. Very meaningful.
- Karoli
sex sells. What's new?
- Francine Hardaway
Agree with Robert's assessment almost 100%.
- Alex de Soto
I agree, Amy. And drawing at better scale
- Hilary Talbot
"curlupwithableness" - classic - thanks, Amyloo. Now on my list for my next anything.
- Rob La Gesse
RIP Jim Marshall. He cared about capturing the feeling of the moment. That emotional connection is always evergreen. We can learn a lot from 'reporting' like Jim.
- michael sean wright
My reality is reading/watching news, magazine and video from all sources -- on-line and TV. A single device to carry for all seems to make the idea of how we did without for so long seem the more appropriate orientation !!!
- Paul Sherer
Why is somebody in California subscribing to the New York Times? For national news and editorial. That can move to the web and devices just fine. But can real, local, neighborhood news that people actually need move to a device? If it does, it's going to disenfranchise a whole segment of the population that can't pay $500 for it. Local newsletters/newspapers need to survive in some form.
- Ken Sheppardson
We cannot forecast the patterns that people will search for in the future that may not have relevance to us because we have not perceived the pattern or its value.
- Arnie Klaus
@nicefish I went back and saw all those pics yesterday
- Francine Hardaway
I think at first families might buy an iPad as a collective resource, like families used to have one TV.
- Hilary Talbot
Hillary's on to something.
- Alex de Soto
I'm not the biggest fan of NYtimes, but I will admit it is the paper of record for the World
- Stephen Pickering
Reminds of Jeff Jonas - the query waits for the answer to appear in the index.
- Cliff Gerrish
Buying one for Buppy. He's really at a loss right now
- Francine Hardaway
Are we going to see the "gentrification" of news? [Totally abusing/misusing the term.]
- Ken Sheppardson
"The Day the Music Died"
- Stephen Pickering
I am going to need better broadband/wifi before I can consume video on an iPad or anything else
- Francine Hardaway
The local stuff will be fabulous -- subsidized by the leading users bringing down all prices in the value chain -- device, bandwidth, content. Reverse gentrification hopefully.
- Paul Sherer
That's it! The iPad as boomer wayback machine.
- Alex de Soto
(bias here) Journalists have a better platform for being Documentarians with the iPad than flat print.
- michael sean wright
I'm hoping netflix gets their silverlight to iPhone/iPod thing together. Watch instantly is terrific. Already paying for it.
- Cliff Gerrish
Oh yeah, Michael, its like a Golden Age for Documentarians, and its only the beginning
- Stephen Pickering
Paul: Seems like there's going to be a gap of sorts... I suspect the business models will change faster than the device economies of scale and subsidization can keep up with. Papers will die before replacement channels are in place.
- Ken Sheppardson
But McLuhan was right
- Stephen Pickering
Lady Gaga is bound to outsell the NYT and WSJ on the iPad
- Kevin Marks
Ken: Maybe not, given it will take 5-10 years at best for meaningful penetration of local markets of iPad
- Paul Sherer
Or maybe not. I don't really know what sort of economic condition the Ludington Daily News is in these days. I suspect advertising is down because the economy has tanked. I don't image many people in Ludington/Scottville/Custer/Freesoil or on the intervening farms are going to buy iPads.
- Ken Sheppardson
That means you're a fan, Kevin?
- Francine Hardaway
I read that Lady Gaga has 1 billion online video views. That's big stuff.
- Cliff Gerrish
ken, didn't know you were from michigan. igrew up inMt. Pleasant
- Amyloo
All the conversation I hear around newspapers dying comes from urban media markets. I can't recall hearing much if any commentary or reporting on the state of rural, hometown papersl (Cool, Amyloo)
- Ken Sheppardson
Totally, Danny.
- Francine Hardaway
the iPad apple's first appliance, it is not a device, it is about content and the mergence of media
- J. Matthew Riva
It is a magic device!
- Stephen Pickering
this when the old world media brands will emmerge as powerhouses wwith this mergence
- J. Matthew Riva
This is what I like about the Kindle model. One payment and I can view the book on multiple platforms.
- Alex de Soto
Right Danny. Journalism won't die.
- Francine Hardaway
i think you guys are missing the point, sorry
- J. Matthew Riva
Only thing I disagree with Danny is that the experience could be so compelling that people do subscribe more, and also, we always find the money somehow for things we want and need
- Stephen Pickering
it is about the net book agreement
- J. Matthew Riva
Ludington News seems well on its way with rich links, video, e-sponsors...On the iPad they could offer candidate debates, local event coverage, etc that could offer new revenue models to invigorate its core local news model.
- Paul Sherer
good show. jumping off to go visit the Alan Grayson chat on Crooks & Liars. Bye all.
- Karoli
and how apple has given power back to publishers and artists
- J. Matthew Riva
Bye Karoli.
- Cliff Gerrish
the real innovation is not the device it is the store
- J. Matthew Riva
Dormant, my ass. Steve
- Francine Hardaway
and the compression that allows high quality content to stream to the iPad
- J. Matthew Riva
The real innovation is that the input and output of the iPad is the same screen.
- Cliff Gerrish
I don't know, the device is pretty sublime, the way they talk about the Speed alone makes me want it, much less the beauty, aesthetics
- Stephen Pickering
No, email empowered people to be mandated to write poorly. But blogging empowered writers.
- Francine Hardaway
hence mergence of media and now BRAND re-emerging
- J. Matthew Riva
Culture died a long time ago
- Stephen Pickering
cloning will democratize it
- Amyloo
We are trying to define the Ipad in the language of our old tool set. Modern humans moved out of into the world from North Africa with a new tool set.
- Arnie Klaus
Yes, Amyloo. Almost like ebook readers
- Francine Hardaway
Oh, you guys thinking with the little head :-(
- Francine Hardaway
Funny Francine!
- Alex de Soto
The small groups won't bubble up but they can make a living
- Stephen Pickering
some will bubble up, some won't, but they won't need to genuflect to labels first
- Kevin Marks
Again: pay once view anywhere. That's fine with me.
- Alex de Soto
I had a KLH stereo!!!!!!!
- Francine Hardaway
technology always disrupts culture.
- Jim Posner
Kevin, exactly
- Stephen Pickering
i'd pay for the gillmor gang
- Amyloo
not sure about a form factor disrupting culture.
- Jim Posner
Paul: RE Ludington Daily News... yeah, I think they're probably not that far off the path. Seems like there's an opportunity for larger more technically advanced news orgs to help the smaller shops. Work together. Combine the infrastructure and tech expetise of the larger orgs with the local journalists on the ground working for the local folks.
- Ken Sheppardson
http://bit.ly/idolfanatic is a tool to vote for idol
- Kevin Marks
Google in china: great subject.
- Alex de Soto
Which Article about google and china?
- Arnie Klaus
I won;t have the 3G - I have WiFi everywhere I go.
- Rob La Gesse
Why pay for a data plan for ever device you own? Get a MiFi. Use it with everything.
- Ken Sheppardson
I agree, Kevin, my favorite indie artists, I buy their albums multiple times, their T Shirts, even their Albums in Vinyl etc, to suppor them
- Stephen Pickering
Danny Sullivan wrote a nice piece on Google, China and censorship -- see Kevin's link
- Cliff Gerrish
Totally agree. No 3G.
- Alex de Soto
One of the carriers needs to catch on and offer a cross-device, umbrella data plan.
- Ken Sheppardson
How about the JooJoo Pad? That looks interesting and it is somewhat more open.
- Jim Posner
JooJoo is a stolen concept - I won't touch it.
- Rob La Gesse
I'll wait for the TechCrunch subsidized, commodity Android/ChromeOS tablet we'll see in Q4 or so.
- Ken Sheppardson
Not a fan of Andrew but he's right on this one. The iPad talk is akin to ESPN hammering people over the head w/ Tiger Woods fodder.
- beersage
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For Robinson, it all started with a simple home beer kit.
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Could I create a WordPress site comprised of select Google Reader [or other] shares? Posts assumedly created using RSS - post title would be [Title | Source], post body would be the excerpt, post image would be the attached image, and the link would be to the original source? [See first comment]
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I'm envisioning a FriendFeed-style bookmarklet where instead of creating an item in my FF stream, I'm creating a post on a WP site. Maybe a couple more fields for tags / categories. The idea is a Wordpress site comprised of one's curating...
- Anthony Citrano
If anyone knows, it's probably Louis.
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
I know it can be done in Tumblr (depending of course upon the format of the feed in question), so I would assume it's doable in WP with the right plugin.
- FFing Enigma
Unfortunately, I don't have an answer for you, it doesn't sound too hard. There *might* be a plugin for that?
- Justin Korn
Yes. FeedMyWordpress is one such WP plugin that could do it. I'm sure there are many other ways, though.
- Rahsheen?
I'd assume so, because that's pretty much what this site is http://scriptandstyle.com/. Though they probably manage these by hand.
- Gimminy
It's called an "aggregator". There's dozens of plugins to do this sort of thing (create a blog from one or more RSS feeds). PlanetWP is one site that I know does it: http://planetwordpress.planetozh.com/ Might ask Ozh what plugin he uses to pull from those blogs.
- Otto
@Samuel - thanks, but I guess I define an aggregator a bit differently [although this would be aggregation, of course]. Most aggregators I know of don't enable the type of curation activity one does with Reader, for example. With aggregators it's more like, you pick a few sources and walk away.
- Anthony Citrano
You're pulling in a feed and reposting it somewhere else. That's sorta the definition of an aggregator. The source of the feed in your case happens to be your feed from Google Reader, but still...
- Otto
@Samuel - when I create an item in my FriendFeed stream, I am not pulling in a feed. See my initial comment.
- Anthony Citrano
No, you're not pulling in a feed, but FriendFeed is not primarily an aggregator either, it's a curation system much like Google Reader is.
- Otto
Yes, Samuel, so therein lies my original question.
- Anthony Citrano
There's a Wordpress post bookmarklet similar to Friendfeed though I suppose you may not be able to do it from Reader. Would have to click the RSS entry and then do the bookmarklet the article's own window. But it has tag, category fields.
- beersage
@Anthony: I guess I don't know what the question is then. Getting your Google Reader shared items as a feed is easy. Here's my shared items page: http://www.google.com/reader... and the feed is here: http://www.google.com/reader... Pulling that into a WP blog would be as easy as using any aggregation plugin like FeedWordPress or half a dozen others.
- Otto
here's a workaround devoid of plugins, but it's messy: set up Reader's "send to" feature to send to a Posterous account, and have that Posterous account automatically post to wordpress. but this involves more than just sharing an item in Reader, you'd also have to send.
- chrisofspades
realized that you can create custom "send to" buttons in Reader. here's one for wordpress - http://thingelstad.com/using-g...
- chrisofspades
edited for clarity.
- Anthony Citrano
I'm doing something like this with WordPress.com right now. Setup a site, then use their "Press This" bookmarklet found in the Tools area and drag it to your browser's bookmark bar. When you're viewing a site or post that you want to curate, click the bookmarklet. It will open a new browser window, you can select images for the post, etc. Works pretty well.
- Otto R. Radke
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"On Monday we had a meeting on the site of the new Eataly in New York City."
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Houston Chronicle story by @RCrocker on @SouthernStarBC. Brewery hopes to double production in '10. - http://www.chron.com/disp...
"Should disc golf ever become an Olympic sport, it'll have the perfect sponsor in Southern Star Brewing Co."
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Magic Hat plans 'IPA on Tour'; Blind Faith returns | The Burlington Free Press - http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article...
"If you ask Alan Newman, the founder of Magic Hat Brewing Co., when he last bought a loaf of white bread, he won't be able to tell you. If you run into him dining out, it probably won't be at a fast food chain. He prefers the exotic foods available at the numerous ethnic restaurants around Burlington, and believes he is not alone in his desire for more flavor and variety."
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Too many breweries in the U.S.? "A fair number" of breweries think so according to @WorldClass #craftbeer - http://worldclassbeverages.wordpress.com/2010...
"Are there too many brewers in the US? Are there too many beers? It sounds a little bit like crazy talk, but there are a fair number of brewers who seem to feel that this may be the case."
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rt @FoodNetwork: Cooking with Beer (@HomebrewChef - these recipes any good?) - http://www.foodnetwork.com/holiday...
"If you're a beer lover, chances are your favorite way to serve beer is straight up in a big, frosty mug. But don't confine your preferred brew to the cup – many dishes, including stews, soups and yes, even sweets, can be flavored with beer."
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Frothy sales boost for craft beers in 2009 | CNNMoney - http://money.cnn.com/2010...
"Beer sales dropped by 5 million barrels last year, but small brewers fared the best: Craft beer sales grew 7.2% by volume over 2008, according to an analysis released this week by the Brewers Association. The number of small breweries in the U.S. also rose past 1,500 -- the highest total since before Prohibition, according to the industry trade group."
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Bills to allow brewery tastings & sales, retail tastings on tap in South Carolina | TheDigitel Charleston - http://charleston.thedigitel.com/feature...
"The ongoing saga of fixing S.C.'s antiquated beer laws continues this week, as House Bill 3693, which would allow on-site brewery tastings and sales, and an additional bill for retail tastings, go before the full House Judiciary Committee this Tuesday, March 9th."
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Online beer-to-consumer shippers: UPS won't ship beer for @Brewforia anymore but will ship wine. Bulls$%&! - http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010...
"Orr: UPS, FedEx side with wine in beer battle"
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Southern Californians try storing beer in wine-like caves | LA Times - http://www.latimes.com/feature...
"In small but growing numbers, local beer enthusiasts are cellaring their collections in basements, garages and bedroom closets."
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