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Paul Buchheit
The realtime connection from Twitter to FriendFeed is back! (thanks to Twitter's "birddog" api)
Awesome news! - Jorge Escobar
Very good! - Kurt Starnes
Sweetness! - Alex Scrivener
34 secs flat for my latest tweet. Thanks Paul and team for this! - Jorge Escobar
wow, that makes actually want to use Twitter. I may just go tweet something. - Mike Nencetti
It should be even faster than that Jorge, but our systems are getting near their limit. I hope to have it down to 1 sec sometime next month. - Paul Buchheit
Thank god! - Miguel Caetano
@Paul, believe me, 34 secs is a charm compared to what we had before! - Jorge Escobar
Great news! - Rasmus Lauridsen
Is the birddog api open to all developers, or is it only to you guys? - Jorge Escobar
Jorge, everyone can access the streaming api, but you need an agreement to follow a large number of ids. See http://apiwiki.twitter.com/Streami... - Paul Buchheit
Thanks Paul. - Roberto Bonini
that cool. Thanks Paul - Peter Dawson
Yay! That's fantastic! I was getting really bored of manually refreshing it every time I tweeted. Especially from my phone. :) - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Does this mean that Scoble can get smarter on FriendFeed again? - Crutis
NICE! - Jason Huebel
Thanks Paul, nice work :) - LANjackal
wow no posts on the majors yet - usually within mere moments of an announcement we'd have posts. - Allen Stern
Thank God. - Ahmet Alp Balkan
cool! - barbarars
What was the problem? - Ozkan Altuner
Now....if you could just get rid of the @ replies again. I would be very happy. - Chris Nixon
relief ! :) - asli subasi
You are still working on Frienfeed (: how nice ! - Murat Can Demir
^ That's probably the best part of this announcement, TBH. Good point - LANjackal from IM
whoa, it took less than a minute. i accdently tested it but it's great :) thnx - asli subasi
awesome, keep it up guys, i knew you would not let us down - Iggy Mwangi
Great news, love the efforts still put in to FF.I use Google Reader to share into FF (PubSubHubBub) then FF to Twitter (now Real-Time). The URL shortener is great (ff.im), and so FF is central to my social lifestream. I don't care what Scoble says, FF is technically better and feature-rich. - Keith Rowland
P.S. Conversations are still better here than on GReader, and you just can't have one on Twitter. - Keith Rowland
You didn't break the FF Facebook app while you were at it, did you? It hasn't worked since. - Tim Tyler
Oh, awesome!!! 12 seconds :) I can finally go back to Twitter (...okay no I can't I've turned into a Friendfeed junkie..) but prior it took hours upon hours for me to see a feed. Dumb I am, I never suspected a problem LMAO. - H0llywoodWh0re
Thank you! - Micah Wittman
Awesome news :) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
eyvallah hacı - Mücahit Yılmaz
Cool. Haven't tried it but yay! - 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
Yippee! I love real time - Sandra Large
Paul ?? Twitter updates facebook status and then facebook creates a new feed here on friendfeed. So we have same entries both from twitter and facebook on friendfeed. Could you guys please work on how we can avoid duplicate entries? Thank you. ( If there's already a way to avoid this, pls let me know) - Murat Can Demir
Cool, thanks, Paul! :-) RT Twitter updates have been missed. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
And just as I say that, I see my tweets are not coming into FF in real-time. :-( - Kol Tregaskes
Kol. I just tweeted and it was here before I could get out of Tweetie and launch Safari... It's working :) - Johnny Worthington from iPhone
awesome.; thank you a lot.. - Jaap Willem
Nice! Thank U Paul :) - zʍıɔ
AJ Batac
http://twitpic.com/qn2ee - 35ft Building Jump!
http://twitpic.com/qn2ee - 35ft Building Jump!
Balls. - Itachi
He haz big ones. - Shey, Jamaican of FF
I keep watching expecting him not to make it next time. - Todd Hoff
Serious jump. One mistake... splattt! - AJ Batac
I told you once and I will say it again some jackass kids are going to see it and do it........ - VAL D. Zone
DON'T TRY THIS ANYWHERE. - AJ Batac
I'd say. - Roberto Bonini
Whoa! - Kol Tregaskes
Is this another fake jump viral campaign? The middle part of his jump looks a bit fake to me. - Stephen Mack
I saw this photo last week... could it be the same event? http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news... - Neil Bernhart
Totally bonkers! - Gordon Herd
Yup. That's the one Neil. - AJ Batac
don't know if this is correct or not, but here it is in Turkish: bir aslan gibi topları - Morgan Haley
@zeigen, of course it will look like bit a fake, we don't see every day boys jumping 35 ft -) - Cibron Nethis
crazy, looks like it's raining too - sean percival
HARDCORE PARKOUR! #theoffice - EricaJoy
Up to you if you want to jump 35ft off the side of a building - Alonzo Hayden
Dare Obasanjo
Finally watched the video for Google Goggles. Wow, this is some seriously cool tech - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Finally watched the video for Google Goggles. Wow, this is some seriously cool tech - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhgfz0zPmH4
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Try it in real life. It's a nifty demo but it's still much easier to read the label or upc code and search on that. Going from question to answer it has about a 10% hit rate. - Hayes Haugen
Hayes, have you seen this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch... Taking old vacation pictures and finding out what the buildings are. The good stuff starts about 4:30 minutes in. :) - Matt Cutts
So he taking pictures of his computer using his phone, finding out what the object is, then going back to the computer and typing it in? Something seems terribly inefficient about that ;) - Amit Patel
Amit: my point is that by the time I start the app, take the picture and get a false hit it's faster to just recognize the object myself and search on it (with my phone). - Hayes Haugen
Matt: like I said it does cool stuff sometimes but as a general purpose tool for identifying the things I run across it has not done well. I'm not claiming anything other than how it's worked for me. Suggest people use the product instead of watching promo videos! And I'm not crapping on the concept - looking forward to its evolution. - Hayes Haugen
From most recent search history: miss: $20 bill, Norwegian flag, a Sitar, a MacBook, an iPhone, a Leatherman tool, the box for the Leatherman, a Canon Ti, a photo of Venice with a tower. Hit: box of Pepperidge Farm Entertaining Quartet crackers because it recognized "Entertaining Quartet" in huge letters - just like I did. What I really need it to do is recognize things I don't recognize. So I'm off to do some tests.... - Hayes Haugen
Brian Sullivan
The file upload procedure is just plain broke -- is anybody at FriendFeed even interested? About 9 out 10 attempts end up with an endless "processing" cycle.
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For the longest time I couldn't even upload. Then all of a sudden, it started working again. - Admiral Anika
I had this issue with an mp3 I tried uploading today as well. Couldn't they just play from another source without actually having it on their servers? If the link points to a valid file on the internet, it should still be able to play fine. - Itachi
I think they decided to not respond to this group. See profile: "If you're experiencing a bug or issue, please see our <a href="http://friendfeed.com/about...">Contact page</a> to get in touch with us directly." - NaHi from f2p
Aye, same thing with spam. More time/effort is being dedicated elsewhere..understandable. - Itachi
We're investigating. Are you experiencing this with all file types? - Paul Buchheit
That's really interesting because I've not experienced this trouble at all. I only upload image files though. - pea
Seems to be working for some people: http://friendfeed.com/ff-muzi... - Jason Huebel
I don't know, might just be on and off thing. Worked yesterday fine though: http://friendfeed.com/random-... - Itachi
I haven't had any problem with anything other than mp3 files but I haven't tried any others either. - Brian Sullivan
The most infuriating part of this is that the failed upload counts against your upload quota. - Brian Sullivan
I had problems with it this evening, however, I was on mobile broadband. Worked perfectly when I got home and used wifi. - Keith Bennett
Happened to me a couple weeks ago with an *MB mp3 file. - beersage
Whats the upload quota? - beersage
@Brian, upload quota? - Jason Huebel
Images generally work for me. An mp3 file took several attempts though. - Todd Hoff
Apparently you can only upload 3 mp3 files per day (I am guessing per 24 hour period) -- at least that is what the message I got seems to imply. It gives you this message at the end of the upload process -- and you have to wait until the quota is replenished ( though you have no way of knowing when that would be unless you remember when all the upload attempts happened). - Brian Sullivan
I had some issues uploading .mp3s a while ago (finally just sent them to Posterous and had done with it) - Paul, is there a file size limit? The ones I had were encoded at like 320kpbs, so they were about 9 or 10mb. The smaller ones I did (4-5mb) seemed to have a greater success rate, but I couldn't really test because of the upload limit that counted the failed ones against me. - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
From what I can tell, the upload problems are caused by S3 errors (we store the files using Amazon S3). I've put in a little more logging and more retries. If you still have trouble uploading files, post the filename and I'll investigate. - Paul Buchheit
What is really happening during that "processing" cycle? The "upload" part appears to work -- at least the progress bar and time taken is in line with the size of the file. For me it is the "processing" part that has failed. - Brian Sullivan
Magic ;) - Itachi
The "upload" part is uploading to the FriendFeed servers. The "processing" part is the FriendFeed server uploading to Amazon S3, which is where there are sometimes problems. - Paul Buchheit
Ah, thanks for clearing that up, Paul. - Micah Wittman
This is still occurring. Not uploading to Amazon apparently. - Eric Logan
same prblem still - egza
Louis Gray
Finding Value Even If I Were the Last FriendFeeder... - http://blog.louisgray.com/2009...
Don't worry Louis. I'll be here to hold your hand as we go over the cliff Thelma & Louise style. ;) - Cristo
Can I be Brad Pitt then? - Johnny Worthington
You can be whomever you like, Johnny. And Cristo, thanks. You complete me. (wrong movie?) - Louis Gray
Johnny, post a photo of you with just your cowboy hat on, and we'll talk about it. - Cristo
Dude, I just stuck LEGO in my face http://friendfeed.com/jworthi... don't tempt me :) - Johnny Worthington
I am too competitive to let you be the last - Jesse Stay
The last to stick LEGO in his face? - Ken Sheppardson
I left my comment on the blog. - Mark Krynsky
Agreed Louis. I am still getting new subscriptions on FF ( though not as many as before). FF stays open until the fat lady sings. - Roberto Bonini
You made very good points, Louis - both why FF has not been surpassed as a solution and why you stating these points is important. Real time has slowed for me in FF so I can actually catch the content and I'm still getting new subscribers. The value I derive from FF is undiminished. - WorldofHiglet
You had me at "Finding", Louis. ;) - Grey Drane
Finding Louis? Is that the sequel to Finding Nemo? - WorldofHiglet
I so crashed with that not entered big reply, making a post with two OS in virtualization for a screenshot... I'll get back atcha for the usual Disqus thoughtful exercise, I'm not the daily blogger, but I have lots of those ranged comments... my point was with the "even if it's assumed I'm looking denial straight in the face." being an excellent turning for that movie. Finding Louis... more... - ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Oh, good. For a moment there I thought we were in trouble. - Santa CW™
You're absolutely right. Which is why I'm sticking around, too. - Dennis Jernberg
You hit the nail on the head.. that's why I'm staying onboard!! - Chris Myles
You won't be .... I will ... (and Windows 7 was my idea ..... :) - Charlie Anzman
Good work, Louis, as always. - Jim Is Not Smart
If Friendfeed went under, it would have to be immediately reinvented. I'm still not getting why so many people don't yet get Friendfeed. - Sean McBride
This seems really straightfwd - the 20% time won't be enough to implement new features etc. I think it is just a matter of time until someone builds on top of the FF API with new/addtl features and launches a site (hmmm, "FriendDig"? "DigFeed"?). The functionality is too compelling to waste away - Dave Hodson
Marshall Kirkpatrick
My 1st draft explanation of Activity Streams:
Everybody talks about filtering the real-time stream of information online but the Activity Streams community is the place where those conversations go on between leading engineers at the world's biggest and smallest social networks, with the goal of replacing the "walled garden" model of social networking with an open, interoperable communication marketplace. If Activity Streams succeeds, you will be able to subscribe to and filter the activities of your friends across multiple different networks, without having to sign-up for or even ever have heard of those other networks. This is almost the equivelent of AT&T phones being able to make calls to Verizon phones. Of rail-transport companies being able to ship goods across the country over different railroad networks - because the rails for the trains to run on are the same size. It's different though, because of the granular filtering by type of activity. Applications built on top of Activity Streams will allow the equivilent of a... more... - Marshall Kirkpatrick
Can't wait. And no redundancies, please. - Laura Norvig
Will be interesting to see how much granularity over permissions the content creators will have. Will I have to just choose "yes" or "no" that anyone who is connected to me anywhere will be allowed to see my stuff? How could greater control work - seems complicated. - Laura Norvig
Seems a fair point Laura. - Marshall Kirkpatrick
Here's a fractal I use that may be useful as a template for Activity Streams... 1) interest-generating opener 2) background on current threats/tension to resolve 3) opportunity or vision of a better state 4) strategy w/steps to get there 5) issues to solve before accepting strategy 6) next steps by stakeholders - Mark Frazier
This is awesome Marshall. I'm wondering whether we broaden the concept beyond messaging to decentralize the social graph itself, so app developers can leverage existing relationships without having to build on top of a facebook or a twitter...(or perhaps that is implied here?) - Tony Zito
Marshall ... thanks for the initial explanation... I've been intrigued by all the references to Activity Streams and http://activitystrea.ms/ by people I know and trust - I just haven't had the time to join another mailing list. Just yesterday I was on the site trying to understand more and reading Chris Messina's almost-year-old post: http://factoryjoe.com/blog... - Dan York
Will this "first draft" evolve into a RWW post? - Dan York
Dan, it's for our forthcoming research report on the real-time web and its future. Preorders avail at http://www.readwriteweb.com/reports... - Marshall Kirkpatrick
Do you have a pointer to an example activity stream feed? - Dave Winer
I should find a better example than that, a live one to include in article. - Marshall Kirkpatrick
Interesting. I've been unplugged from the feed / activity space for a while now. Makes me want to read up more on Activity Streams. - mikepk
That would be the first thing a developer would look for, something live they could build an app on. - Dave Winer
Tom's activity feed URL at MySpace is http://api.myspace.com/v1... but MySpace API authentication is required - looking for a live and publicly accessible one - Marshall Kirkpatrick
aha! cliqset doesn't require authentication to see theirs, http://cliqset.com/feed... - Marshall Kirkpatrick
I wish more specifications came with live, official, reference implementations. - mikepk
Tugce Cengiz
Living Comic Book Costume! Speechless. (Roy Lichtenstein)
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ohe. - Tugce Cengiz
Cızzt. - Burak Demiral
ha tamam. - Ezgi Genç
çizgi romanlardaki gibi :/ - Parfe
Daha çok popart (Roy Lichtenstein) posterlerinin canlandırması :) - sunipeyk
kızılcık mı geçirmiş bu :) - ''sewimsizbilgin''
Aynen öyle sunipeyk. Çok iyi etmişler - Tugce Cengiz
So. Damn. Cool. - Spidra Webster
Very cool! - Kol Tregaskes
Halftone costume. That is awesome. - Josh Haley
That's a really cool idea. - Jordan Hofker
meh.. I want to see the final photos. Tha'd be cool. Kind of like Alice in Wonderland. - 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
You too can be a Roy Lichtenstein painting! - Dennis Jernberg
Dennis :)) - Tugce Cengiz
korkunç mu? - Tugce Cengiz
evet, ben bukarakterle karşılaşırsam korkarım... - Ayhan A. Birlik (AAB)
yapanla karşılaşırsan tebrik etmeni değiştirmez ama sanırım :) - Tugce Cengiz
muhakkak ki değiştirmez :) - Ayhan A. Birlik (AAB)
bayııııl - davsanlik
Bu çalışmanın neden ve kim tarafından yapıldığını öğrenebileceğimiz bir link olsaymış. - Can Eğridere "Jegraphy"
merak ne güzel şey, güzel şey merak ;) MAC'in makyözlerinden biri yapmış..Maalesef kendisini yaptığı şeyden daha değerli bulup belirtmemişler ismini. - Tugce Cengiz
harikaaaa - mahir
yuh, süper.. - Aylin
Bizde de Ebru Gündeş'in makyözü var işte çok konuşulan.. - Tugce Cengiz
Bende makyöj olmak istiyorum yaa - morkedipatisi
olacaksan böylesi ol! :) - Tugce Cengiz
ay inşallah :) - morkedipatisi
hımm...estetik bi androit:) ne hoş:) - neferteti
Wow! That's pretty neat. - Arlan Koizumi
super ya her na postere gircekmis gibi...pop art..:) - €Lyaz
Unbelievable. Color me impressed! - Fossil Huntress
Fantastic ! I wana try this with a Picasso ! - Desirade
I wonder about the results of "Dali" version.... - Olcayto Cengiz
Steve Gillmor
Looks like Bret Taylor of Facebook is talking with the Gang.... - Cliff Gerrish
Hopefully Bret shows up. Otherwise we'll be forced to talk about Twitter's new lists feature and you know where THAT will lead! - Robert Scoble
I want to get a few words in about http://bit.ly/Spawn on Gillmor Gang today - Kevin Marks
we will start in a minute. - Robert Scoble
Only 13 viewers? - beersage
Gillmor Gang is recorded live in front of a live studio audience. - Cliff Gerrish
Oops, missed my calendar notification for this week's episode. - Matt Mastracci
The names have not been changed to protect the innocent... - Aron Michalski
Gillmor Gang is recorded live in front of a real-time web audience... - Kevin Marks
I'm happy to see a simplification of the Facebook API. That's one issue I've always had with the platform. The initial learning curve is very steep. - Matt Mastracci
Scoble still wants to port your email address out of Facebook... - Cliff Gerrish
I don't have enough friends in my email address book to make Scoble's screen look busy enough - Aron Michalski
I did a little hacking on this with @bradfitz's code at http://unmung.appspot.com - Kevin Marks
The question is should Scoble be able to send your email address to another platform, or another application. - Cliff Gerrish
Do I have to agree to TOS with Scoble or does he have to agree with me? - Aron Michalski
Facebook is the intermediary. Although you have a social contact with Scoble. - Cliff Gerrish
Cliff: I did a brute force workaround. I just manually copied the email addresses I wanted into Outlook myself. - Robert Scoble
Robert, it's the programatic access that can lead to looting of addess books. - Cliff Gerrish
The TOS doesn't forbid me from doing that and it only took a few hours. - Robert Scoble
Cliff: yeah, but sorry, if you are a spammer you just go to Mechanical Turk and pay someone to do it. - Robert Scoble
Yes, I agree. But the question is should Facebook facilitate the process? - Cliff Gerrish
Putting money in front of a spammer's problem will reduce the amount of spam dramatically (which is why spammer probably won't use mturk). Maybe Facebook should charge per-user/per-transaction fees to extract email addresses? - Matt Mastracci
"Facebook is an identity platform." Very interesting competitive landscape -- Twitter, Google, MSFT, Comcast? - Cliff Gerrish
"Your inside is out, and your outside is in" - Cliff Gerrish
Comcast? You mean Plaxo? - Ken Sheppardson
"Open Graph API" is a really confusing name for adding webpages to FB as feeds - Kevin Marks
Actually I'm thinking of Comcast making Cable available through the Network for its users. - Cliff Gerrish
And the topic of attention and identity which were of interest to a small group of us is now an issue for a very large group of users. - Aron Michalski
Haven't checked the roadmap but I wonder if there will be more possibilities for API use with pages and not just the main FB friend stream. - beersage
Seems like financial institutions have a better identity play, but they're hopeless with this kind of thing. Credit Cards have a jump on it. Telecoms could also have an opening. - Cliff Gerrish
Does the open graph address pages or items in a stream? - Cliff Gerrish
Anyone ask about the problem of Facebook owning our social graph? - Kurt Jarchow
so FB's "Open Graph API" is the opposite of the Social Graph API that reveals existing connections. - Kevin Marks
This aspect is interesting, in that presence on the internet for a long time could be anonymous and now the value will be from having a unified ID. - Aron Michalski
So it Bret saying it's just marketing spin at this point? ;-) - Ken Sheppardson
You'll see that the owners of the pipe, the bankers and the retailers all want to know who we are so they can get paid. - Aron Michalski
can we identify the source of the metadata item and allow for filtering of what's a valid linkage? - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert, are you coming out for SideWiki for Facebook profiles? - Cliff Gerrish
wonder if Bret saw the Realtime chat games orkut launched http://code.google.com/apis... - Kevin Marks
shared labels - is what i would like to see - Bastian
For 'movies' shouldn't I just be able to pipe my Netflix data over? - Cliff Gerrish
Netflix already exports Activity Streams of your movies - FB should read them - Kevin Marks
Yes, rather than building a new and separate data set. Our combining the sets. - Cliff Gerrish
Bret really shouldn't speak of FriendFeed in the past tense. - Cliff Gerrish
Cliff: FriendFeed is not getting new engineering work. - Robert Scoble
Yeah he said "was"... - Bastian
It's often more revealing to hear how people talk about things indirectly than to hear them answer direct questions. - Ken Sheppardson
better late than never...i'll have to catch the first 30 minutes on replay. - Karoli
Friendfeed's conversations aren't duplicated by any of the other players. - Cliff Gerrish
Why would FB buy FF if they weren't headed down that road? To use it or kill it? - Aron Michalski
Interesting to hear the idea of protocols driven by User Interfaes in the realtime space. - Cliff Gerrish
FriendFeed is still rolling out features: http://friendfeed.com/friendf... - LogEx
I totally agree with Robert. The Friendfeed search is incredibly powerful and useful. - Karoli
Permalinks for stream items is a critical feature. - Cliff Gerrish
how long has Bret been in the FB world :) - he's being asked questions about future growth and planning that he may not have even been in the meetings that cover those new items yet :) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
FB conversations are fractured, across different pages and places. Mobile experience can be a cul de sac of death for a conversation... - Aron Michalski
my criticism of Facebook has nothing to do with the stream. it has to do with the mashup of everyone I've ever known in my entire life. - Karoli
i think it's great that i see other people's comments when i comment on an item on FB - Bastian
I'd like my stream to show me things that I initially reject, and then later come to accept. - Cliff Gerrish
Facebook represents my "real" social network only as it existed 25 years ago. - Ken Sheppardson
we need more depth as to what a "friend" is - need to factor in FOAF items - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Ken, i wish it was that way. It has pieces of every aspect and social graph I've had for my entire life. - Karoli
I'm starting to realize and appreciate Robert as an underdamped dynamic system, oscillating wildly but eventually settling/converging on a steady signal, e.g. the comments today on Wave vs the initial reaction. And I mean that as a compliment, Robert :-) - Ken Sheppardson
There is plenty of conversations I am glad to leave off of FB; 90% of the people from my past have no clue about any of what we are discussing and don't care. - Aron Michalski
Ken, yea - that's a great way to describe him. I agree that he should take it as a compliment - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I do. - Robert Scoble
Again, it is easy to bring content into FB but why can't I subscribe to an RSS feed of a page like I can w/ a Twitter user? - beersage
my problem: 90% of the people I have contact with in real life have me friended on FB and HATE my politics, leaving me with fluffy little bullshit updates. No conversation. Just nonsense. - Karoli
The FB pipes need to be full duplex. - Cliff Gerrish
I think the part of FF we'll never see in FB is the basic lack of walls in FF and the philosophy that anything and everything can flow freely into and out of the system. - Ken Sheppardson
Ken, FF may be the outside part of FB. - Cliff Gerrish
how is the spewing of netflix queuing any different that all of those mafia wars or farm app updates I get on FB ;) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
If that's the case, Cliff, I'd like to see them embrace that. I may have missed a bunch of signals, but I'm still working on the assumption that FF is feature frozen and will be subsumed into FB. - Ken Sheppardson
I'm glad that neither FF or FB or Twitter will be the hot new toy we all talk about this time next year! - Bastian
Bastian: Twitter is about to release more new features than it has EVER released. Are you sure we won't be talking about them in a year? - Robert Scoble
Bastian, where would be talking about whatever we'll be talking about. - Cliff Gerrish
By the way, Tina says 'hi' to the chat... - Cliff Gerrish
Robert, only if Twitter survives their own creativity and popularity - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
We should have OpenFF any day now... :-/ - Ken Sheppardson
hi back at Tina :) - Karoli
Robert is raring to have a discussion about Twitter lists. :) - beersage
bear: I'm pretty sure that in a year we'll be doing Twitter. Two years, though? Maybe not. Things don't change that fast when they have such momentum. - Robert Scoble
I'm loving this shot of the studio. Rock on. - Karoli
Robert: Twitter maybe, but i'm even more excited about new third party tools build on Tiwtter. Even so everything i was told from the people i know at Twitter, there are cool things coming. - Bastian
yea, that was a great studio shot - nice layout - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
"talking a little about"... so, it's not imminent :-) - Ken Sheppardson
Generalizing twitter to many kinds of Activity Streams is interesting, and I hope Bret picks up on that - Kevin Marks
The thing about FF & Twitter is that they make it possible to curate a stream of a niche topic and put it into context w/ other content on a website. Lost of potential. With FB, you cant use any valuable stream there outside. Still a walled garden. - beersage
I have to say, time listening to the Gillmor Gang is always well spent! - Bastian
yay sponsors! - Karoli
bye all - Karoli
good show - Jamie
Hah, Kevin got cut off. That was a short edition. - beersage
great show - I am loving the increase in quality discussion and the decrease in loud noises - thanks! - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
http://bit.ly/Spawn is Ribbit's launch next Thursday - Kevin Marks
Defrag is week after next - agenda: http://defragcon.com/2009... - Kevin Marks
Robert Scoble
leolaporte: The Twitter-Bing deal underscores the problem with data silos. Shouldn't search be universal? They're my tweets, not theirs. - http://twitter.com/leolapo...
If they're "your tweets" why do you put them in Twitter? The 'silos' argument continues to leak oil. Search is what search vendors make it -- nothing is universal. - Cliff Gerrish
It's a net neutrality issue. Twitter offers full access to the stream of data (our tweets) only to the highest bidder, not universally. ALL search engines (and others) should have full and equal access to this dataset. - Leo Laporte
Totally agree with Leo, a worst case scenario is Bing gets exclusive access to both FB and Twitter. At that point everyone needs to get working on PubSubHubBub, rssCloud and/or FriendFeed2 and decentralize social networks. They are becoming a basic communication mechanism and they seem to reside under the control of 3-4 people. Imagine if email had been under the control of 2 companies for the last couple decades. - Ed Millard
Completely agree with Leo, I wasn't sure of this but they way Leo puts it, makes clear that its net neutrality issue - Veetrag
Right on Leo. I first heard about this stuff from Brian Hendrickson and Dave Winer, but Marc Canters been raising hell about it for a while. - Mark Essel
Net neutrality is forced upon companies by us, the users. That's why I think this will never become any issue. We can just drop Twitter for something else like identi.ca if we start to feel locked in. There are always other solutions and other platforms waiting for us. That's is what's so great about the Internet. - Rutger Blom
Sounds like a nationalize Twitter argument to me. All search engines may spider the public pages. Why should they also have access to Twitter's internals? - Cliff Gerrish
And since they're "your tweets" why don't you publish them or make them available to search engines yourself. Wouldn't that be the most 'distributed' solution? - Cliff Gerrish
Exactly. - Rutger Blom
Um, isn't net neutrality about access to the net? It doesn't guarantee access to data; I, for one, don't want my bank records, for example, to be freely accessible to any search engine. Or anyone else for that matter. - Mistletoe Glen
In addition, it looks like Google will also have a deal with Twitter. The Bing deal is non-exclusive. The introduction of the term 'net neutrality' is completely orthogonal. - Cliff Gerrish
I can see his point I mean yeah they are his/our words. But aren't we giving up ownership of those words in exchange for using their service? Yeah I bitch about things like, reliability issues with services like twitter all the time but its free. And in using it I have [been] exposed to ideas and opinions I otherwise might not have been. - J. Abdul-Qahhar
J. Abdul-Qahar: true enough, I was thinking about this today: the value proposition of web sites that connect people. Somehow they draw us in, and instigate us to share, and interact in ways we might normally not have. I have met so many wonderful folks online, and gotten so much incredible information, all for the price of my attention and time. My only wish is that I get to keep my social connections somehow, external to the networks which draw us all in. - Mark Essel
Look, friendfeed is awesome. Will it remain that way without development, certainly not over the long run. They could open the source base, and allow open source development to keep it rich, and I think ads would pay for server costs. Just let it go and live or die on its own. - Mark Essel
The basic FF Tornado server is already open source. It has demos with basic functionality, Google login authentication very simple blog, chat and facebook client. Unfortunately I don't think they've open sourced the actual FF server so it would be quite a bit of development work to get Tornado back to the same level of functionality as the current FF server. Hard to say if you could pull it off and get the existing FF user base to migrate in tact and then grow it again. - Ed Millard
For me its like this. Since I'm not paying ANY money for using a service, when the owners/developers hatch what seems like a well laid plan (or even a hair brained scheme) intended to provide the funds necessary to keep the service going; what can I say? Except of course, good luck. As for open source ff, as hard as they have worked on it, I cant see asking, or expecting them to "hand it over to the community" just because we like it. - J. Abdul-Qahhar
We're likely to migrate anyway. Most of us already use many social tools, and information searching/aggregating resources. But unfortunately, without dedicated support I can't see friendfeed keeping up with alternatives, even alternatives as limited as the other social streams I use (facebook, Twitter). - Mark Essel from iPhone
To be honest I don't really want tweets to be in search. It's bad enough that engines are filled with crappy blogs* and price comparison sites. I want my search to be authoritative. Seems lille this will creat a)noise b)tweet 'seo' and c) tweet seo 'experts'. *unless your a spammer this is unlikely to refer to you - Phill Price from iPhone
Phill: sorry, there are SOME Tweets that will help search. I'm seeing those come through all the time. http://twitter.com/favorit... has more than six thousand tweets -- all of which should be on search. - Robert Scoble
Glen: "net neutrality" and "universal access", I'm sure you know, are the government's buzzwords they're using to ram their toe into the door. Next comes the rest of the foot, then the calf, and when they're finished they've opened the door wide so that THEY have access to all of the data as well. It's for the children, ya know. - Craig Eddy
I want realtime search. Are Bing and Google going to provide this? Otherwise there are other tools that do a better job. Like TweetDeck. - Rutger Blom
Rutger: my tweet showed up on Bing nearly instantly yesterday. So that's pretty real time to me. Bing and Google have access to the FULL firehose feed. Real time is here baby! Now, is it useful? That's another question. - Robert Scoble
Robert: didn't know that. Sounds awesome. - Rutger Blom
The cost of search will be proportional to demand, according to the theory. $D - Donald C. Lindsay
Robert: how does bing compare in overall latency to friendfeed search? - Mike Chelen
Thomas Hawk
The criticism that Ralph Lauren doesn't want you to see! - http://www.boingboing.net/2009...
The criticism that Ralph Lauren doesn't want you to see!
"Last month, Xeni blogged about the photoshop disaster that is this Ralph Lauren advertisement, in which a model's proportions appear to have been altered to give her an impossibly skinny body ("Dude, her head's bigger than her pelvis"). Naturally, Xeni reproduced the ad in question. This is classic fair use: a reproduction "for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting," etc. However, Ralph Lauren's marketing arm and its law firm don't see it that way. According to them, this is an "infringing image," and they thoughtfully took the time to send a DMCA takedown notice to our awesome ISP, Canada's Priority Colo. One of the things that makes Priority Colo so awesome is that they don't automatically act on DMCA takedowns. Instead, they pass them on to us and we talk about whether they pass the giggle-test. This one doesn't. So, instead of responding to their legal threat by suppressing our criticism of their marketing images, we're gonna mock them. Hence this post." - Thomas Hawk from Bookmarklet
Someone should tell Ralph Lauren that censorship sucks. - Thomas Hawk
and to fire their design team :) - Simon Wicks
I wonder how the models feel when they see a botch job as bad as that? They should be able to sue RL for making them look so bad. Of course, maybe she wants to look malnourished and alien-headed. - Kenton
Thar's just a disgusting picture in so many ways. - beersage
Censorship sucks, and so does their sexism. - John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Yes, the picture itself is problematic -- setting up that sort of a body image as in any way positive in our culture is fraught with it's own ethical complications. It also sucks that Ralph Lauren would seek to squash legitimate criticism of their ads by using the DMCA. I hope they understand that trying to stomp out free speech usually is only like pouring gasoline on the original fire and it's message or criticism. - Thomas Hawk
I have made this my facebook profile photo, and measured out the proportions of the head to the waist and shoulders and pelvis, please comment. http://www.facebook.com/photo... http://www.facebook.com/photo... - James Michael Mike DuPont
This is as absurd as the girl in the image. She's so skinny it's gross. - Tanath
Robert Scoble
FriendFeed update. Paul Buchheit wrote me and said he's been very sick the past few days. That might explain why he hasn't engaged the way we want. He also offered to do an interview with me to discuss the future of FriendFeed and what they are doing at Facebook soon. We're working that out, hopefully soon (but might not be until November sometime)
I don't know if that's a good idea for you, Robert. You might be better off making a clean break from FriendFeed. - Bruce Lewis
Thanks Robert, that's great news! Paul, hope you feel better... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Bruce: FriendFeed=Facebook. So, I'm interested in what he's doing and I'm a big fan of Facebook's. Twitter needs some competition. The Fail Whale is getting to me. - Robert Scoble
Another reliable update. - ashish
I know it's a stretch but can we gather specific questions for Paul to answer? - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
When other sites like twitter come out with new features, you want to be at the front of the excited crowd. FriendFeed will make you into that curmudgeon who's always saying, "So what? They did that two years ago at FriendFeed." - Bruce Lewis
I guess the rusty wheel gets the oil... - Cjay
Cjay: I've been working on this interview since before Facebook bought FriendFeed. :-) - Robert Scoble
manielse: well, the interview isn't on 100% yet and now that I've talked about it in public who knows what will happen? But if it does happen of course we'll get you involved. - Robert Scoble
Cjay: I might be a rusty wheel, but remember two things: 1. I put many many thousands of hours into FriendFeed before the sale, bringing my audience over here at great risk to my personal brand. Lots of "experts" like Mike Arrington told me I was wrong to do that. 2. I'm still here. - Robert Scoble
OMGAWWWWW he still has "it" - sofarsoShawn
oh im sorry Robert thats "The squeaky wheel gets the oil first" hehe, wasnt saying your are getting old or anything. - Cjay
I hope Paul gets to feeling better soon. He's a great guy. - Phil G from iPhone
sofarso: I never lost it. :-) - Robert Scoble
But yes I would agree that allowing and or resting your personal branding on a service thats based on a cloud application with it's roots depending on a social network model is very risky. - Cjay
Cjay: actually it's not. It just looks risky. - Robert Scoble
To those giving Scoble crap for being on FF, aren't you tired of that? You all have been doing that for at least a year. Enough. For us on FF, we'd love to see an interview, thanks. - Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Paul, get well soon - Shane
Well, I'm done for tonight. Thanks you Robert for the chat... - Cjay
Good luck for the interview, Robert and thanks for the update. Hope Paul gets better soon. - Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Thanks everyone. I'm actually not "very sick" though, just "kind of sick" -- it's mostly messing up my sleep. - Paul Buchheit from iPhone
be well! - Laura Norvig
Chicken soup - but stay away from those soul books ;) Hope you're up to speed soon, Paul. - Micah Wittman
Looking at the time-scale, doesn't that actually answer the question? You don;t wait THAT long to deliver good news or to debunk a false rumour that killings your platform (well, Zucks platform). - Jim Connolly
Paul - sorry to hear that! (it's 2:30 am here, I can empathize with your sleep problem) - Susan Beebe from BuddyFeed
Eric, sorry if it sounded like I was giving him crap. That wasn't my intention. I think Scobleizer has a serious career decision to make: http://ourdoings.com/ourdoin... - Bruce Lewis
The problem i see is that social network cloud applications seem to live in peoples heads rent free. - Cjay
Hope you feel better, Paul. - Kol Tregaskes
That will be an interesting interview, thanks for posting this update. - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Can't wait for the interview!! Thanks to you and Paul for keeping us updated!! - Rosemary Sorg
Robert, you will never leave FriendFeed as long it is here:) - Patrik Johansson
Robert, do you think Twitter is too unreliable or do you think the competition is healthy? - John Cass
Feel better soon, Paul! - Ruchira S. Datta
The walrus has eaten the oysters: http://bit.ly/nJrdl - Michael Slattery
Paul Buchheit
First, FriendFeed is _not_ going away. (in fact, we're working on switching it to new servers) Second, I know everyone wants to know what the team is working on, but we don't pre-announce things, so for now all I can say is that there's good stuff on the way. Re: http://friendfeed.com/jworthi...
I know that doesn't answer everyone's questions, but I hope it helps. - Paul Buchheit
Paul, working on friendfeed.com stuff or facebook.com? - Kol Tregaskes
I like the first sentence. The rest is just gravy. - Derek Coward
I'm totally happy if we just reside on decent servers, and get occasional IT help... We'll keep the rest of the ship running :) - Christopher Galtenberg
Paul - is that why it's been slower lately vs.pre-fb ? - Allen Stern
Paul please repeat it in re-phrased form: Friendfeed is NOT going to repeat destiny of Jaiku? Y/N - A.T.
*processing statement...* - Micah Wittman
Can't wait... **Fingers tapping desk impatiently** - AJ Batac
But what does "going away" mean, Paul? And what does "team" mean? And when you say "pre-announce", are you talking about the Palm Pre? - Ken Sheppardson
Allen, the slowness is due to growth (more users and more data), but I put in a few fixes yesterday that should speed things up a bit. - Paul Buchheit
thanks paul - Allen Stern
Paul, sometimes when I open up threads I get the Opps... error. Is that related? It has been happening more and more these last few days. - Kol Tregaskes
Still better than twitter and facebook. Thanks for the update! - Mike Nencetti
Paul, thanks for the incredible work with FriendFeed. Please, keep it alive! and most importantly keep it FriendFeed! - Ciro
as long as FF doesn't go dark or fall to pieces due to lack of maintenance, i think most ppl would be appeased. - Joe Silence is not Santa
Does this mean that the sky is not falling and we should stop running around screaming GODZILLA! and pointing in the direction of FB? - Moved to Facebook from fftogo
also, thank you for making such a great service in the first place! - Joe Silence is not Santa
Paul: Did you see http://www.thetechnewsblog.com/2009... & can you understand why it got so many people talking / blogging? - Jim Connolly
I second that!! - Kol Tregaskes
Thanks Paul. - Santa CW™
Always nice to hear Paul talking about Friendfeed. - ashish
Thanks Paul for the update. - Roberto Bonini
Thanks for the update! Would like to know if there will be actual development done on FriendFeed in the future (other than bug fixes/minor updates) but I understand if you can't really talk about that too much. - Brandon Titus
Paul: so still no answer from you as to if your 'good stuff' is being developed for FB or FF? The silence suggests it's FaceBook you're working on, or at least transferring FF into an 'add on' for Facebook? - Jim Connolly
Kol, fb platform and openness, primarily. - Paul Buchheit
David Recordon FTW - Jesse Stay
i made a post here - http://www.centernetworks.com/friendf... - one interesting note - maybe FB keeps FF running nice and smooth to keep the early adopters happy as it's a great way to get new features out to them via this channel... just a thought. - Allen Stern
Wow. I've had to eat my words before but these are the best-tasting ones yet! - Akiva Moskovitz from BuddyFeed
Akiva, just add salt. You know which kind :) - Micah Wittman
I'm anxiously waiting for FF->FB Platform integration (drools...) - Jesse Stay
These are the best words I could have expected by Paul. There is obviously a cultural difference between the two platforms and audience and I'm assuming both the former FF team and the FB team recognize that and are sensitive to the community. Thank you Paul and I hope you are feeling better.... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Allen, you're in good company on that thought - there were musings on that concept right after the buyout. - Micah Wittman
Damn, 20+ likes within a matter of 2 minutes. - Itachi
When the leader speaks, everyone listens.... :-) - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I feel a few "I told you so's" coming though... :-) - Jesse Stay
Thanks Paul. Glad you're working on maintaining/improving performance. I've definitely seen issues here. Looking forward towards your influence and changes over at the blue giant. - Mark Krynsky
Paul - thank you for letting us know, and I do hope you feel better! - Jennifer Dittrich
The big question though is will FriendFeed continue to add new features? There's a difference between that and it going away. (and hence my argument w/ Scoble the other day) - Jesse Stay
Paul: Seriously weird that you're there reading this, and totally ignoring each relevant, yes no question. No one's asking you to pre announce anything - just genuinely concerned (and increasingly so) that they do NOT include developing for FF. - Jim Connolly
Jesse +1 - Jim Connolly
I for one want to say: I'm excited! - Jorge Escobar
Jesse: Paul answers that question - BOOM - rumour mill dies and we finally get something positive to say. Ya know what - we won;t get an answer though. He's reading this, he knows the answer, but he won't. - Jim Connolly
Jesse: For now, FF has more features than any other platform for this type of niche. There's some catching up to do before I'm worried about new features. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
AWESOME!! Thanks for helping to quell some concerns Paul. Looking forward to what comes next, but hope that FF never dissappears also. - Travis Koger from iPhone
Shouldn't we be asking the facebook guys, and let Paul keep working? Or is he wearing many hats (friendfeed head honcho and facebook openess builder)? - Mark Essel from iPhone
Paul: I'm right, right? There's something stopping you from saying that you are no longer adding new features to what 'we' know as Friendfeed? - Jim Connolly
Not for nothing, but I took my friendfeed embed off my tiny blog for a few weeks after the facebook buy out. There was just this empty spot on my eyesore of a website, so I put the embed back. We care because we like the connections we've made here and don't want to lose them. It's personal for us to. - Mark Essel from iPhone
Paul: Amazing how quickly you guys have adopted the Facebook attitude to silence. Pity. - Jim Connolly
Paul: blink twice if you will add new features to FF. I won't tell anyone, honest. - Edward Zwart
FWIW he did just upgrade servers. My e-mail notifications are almost real-time. Sounds to me like they're still improving the service. - Jesse Stay
Jim: Don't blame Paul on that, it's not fair. He's only allowed to say so much at this point but I'm very satisfied on what he said. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Jesse: The questions not if they keep the servers running - we want to know if this is a dead platform. - Jim Connolly
Jim: in Paul's defense Facebook's PR is more controlling than FriendFeed's was. I'm sure he's having to consider the effects his words will have on other people inside Facebook. But, I'm VERY HAPPY that Paul is here giving us hints as to what's coming. I wish it had happened six weeks ago so we wouldn't have lost so many people, but maybe that would happen anyway. - Robert Scoble
Jim, there may be a few new things, but as I said, the team is mainly working on fb platform and openness, so it's unlikely that there will be any big new features of ff (except maybe one that I've been thinking about for a while...). - Paul Buchheit
Did the Walrus think about Feed Splicing? :-) - Robert Scoble
Paul: Finally - THAT'S what we were wondering. - Jim Connolly
Cool Dude: Need it to have a classier forum than the parent; Parent is still good but the options here make it just a bit nicer. - ThatDBD
Paul: Pity. At least we now know not to expect any developments or improvements. Thanks for answering the question. Whilst it confirmed my fears, it's good to know what's happening. - Jim Connolly
Johnny said it nicely here: http://www.johnnyworthington.com/... - Mark Essel
I have no problem with FB integration (notice my drool above). Hoping for good friend conversion tools to bring subscribers over as friends or fans on Facebook from FriendFeed. (Connect.registerUsers FTW!) - Jesse Stay
Jim: I'd modify "any" to "many." - Robert Scoble
As a result - Jim has left the platform. - Jim Connolly
Jim: this is a change from last week, by the way. My sources were telling me that we weren't going to get any new features and now Paul is refuting that and saying we might get one new feature here. - Robert Scoble
I'm still drooling - anyone have a towel? - Jesse Stay
Jesse: I'll buy you a virtual one over on Ning. - Robert Scoble
personally, i would be happy just to have FF not fall apart and die. given the post-acquisition situation, anything beyond that is gravy! - Joe Silence is not Santa
Robert, I heard Ning is dead - care to send me one on Facebook? ;-) - Jesse Stay
Robert, think of it as 20% time. If there's a feature I want, I'll just add it :) - Paul Buchheit
Thank you for the clarification, Paul, and hope you are feeling better. - WorldofHiglet
a communication channel that will be around and getting improved no matter what happens, our blogs :D I'll be commenting on yours Jim. 20%, that's a helluva light better than 0%, that's actually much more than I expected. Could we crowd source funding to buy you more %? - Mark Essel
Even if there no new features in Friendfeed, I am happy with Friendfeed just staying on. - ashish
how many users are there on friendfeed is there any chance we could buy it out (and get a full time dev staff back)? This platform rules, the dev team is incredible (albeit on facebook stuff now). - Mark Essel
Paul, if you wanted me to bake you some cookies, all you had to do was ask, GEEZ. - Derrick
Question: how many facebook bucks do we have to buy in total to get Paul and team working on friendfeed more of the time (100% ;) - Mark Essel
Twitter doesn't accept cupcakes any more (just check Foursquare when at their offices). How about FriendFeed? :-) - Jesse Stay
Mark, I'm okay with better Facebook integration. There's a lot of power in that (hence my drooling). - Jesse Stay
I've got mixed feelings Jesse. I have friends on facebook. Then I have people that get excited by the same stuff that I do on friendfeed - Mark Essel
Mark, I'm really hoping it ends up the best of both worlds - that would be really cool - Jesse Stay
im going back to efnet - i got a bus for 7pm - anyone want on? :-P - Allen Stern
I don't think you can mix the two sites at all. This has been repeated over and over. FriendFeed's technology might be portable, the concept, no. - Jorge Escobar
Is it too late to do something about it. If it's a question of funds, can't we raise some? I mean this is the best communication platform I've come across yet. Facebook could be, if they just handed over the reigns to Paul, but its unlikely that sort of shift could happen. - Mark Essel
Is the user perceived need of a full time devoted dev staff a fallacy? - Mark Essel
I think you could make the case that some sites and services can in fact be "done" at some point, and simply require resources to keep them up and running. - Ken Sheppardson
Thanks, Paul. - Josh Haley
Ken: That's a potential advantage of turnkey application-level hosting such as App Engine: the resources to keep them up and running are almost entirely outsourced. ~All costs are variable costs, monetization improves over time, variable costs decline over time, so services that are "done" can literally just coast. - Daniel Dulitz
They could open up something like friendfeed. Distributed social networks, with many servers would make search more challenging (search like status could help). The Internet keeps on chugging, it's a distributed information network that's been alive for many years. Our social networks should live, as does the underlying Internet. - Mark Essel
Nice Daniel, I've been having fun playing around there (frankensearch.appspot.com). I'm using it to get to learn a little more about scala and lift now. - Mark Essel
might be a full-time job times 2 or 3 for any fresh devs - safe to say Paul's got a bit of a head-start which changes that equation significantly! .... Also maybe almost as important is simply keeping spammers in check - that makes the difference between a ghost town vs the happy place here we want to keep coming back to enjoy ... - Dan Freeman
Istanbuldan buyuk bir eferimi hakketti bu cocuklar, bizim icin calisiyorlar - MobilAdam from fftogo
Yes, this helps a lot. Thank you, Paul. We were beginning to fight amongst ourselves over these things. - Kamilah Gill
I bet a good contextual advertising box off to the side could generate 35-50million dollars in 6 months with a user base of 1 million people. The assumption is that the average user spends 100-200 bucks on the site making purchases they'd normally make anyway and the affiliate percentage goes to the social host. - Mark Essel
Friendfeed's health needn't be measured by the team's willingness to add new features. Shovels haven't changed in hundreds of years, but nobody is running around saying shovels are dying. A shovel is a great tool --a simple one, at that. If anything, I'd take away features on FF, but that's just me. Thanks for jumping in, Paul. - Chris Baskind
Chris: the problem is that a shovel doesn't get more utility the more people that use it. FriendFeed does. - Robert Scoble
I think the problem is that some people feel extra messianic some days (which is perfectly okay), and then refuse to see/believe/accept when others don't feel the same way AND point it out. The refusing part is not really okay, I guess. - Michael Bravo
Thanks for these reassuring words Paul. Have been working hard to get more Flickr users over here after the recent rash of censorship there. Friendfeed's TOS and lack of censorship is a breath of fresh air compared to Flickr. - Thomas Hawk
I wouldn't say lack of censorship, but community moderated filters. ;) - Santa CW™
I think you're unnecessarily complicating the discussion by adding new vocabulary, Robert. Now you're talking scale, not features. A product needn't expand its feature set to remain useful. Feature creep is the devil, anyway. ;-) - Chris Baskind
You can’t predict what the future of technology will bring; so trying is a fool’s game. You can only adapt to the new realities as best you can. Paul's word is that it is still worth the time to invest in FF the tool. The tool may stay in this form but that's still a better design for me than Twitter. If FF is a shovel, Twitter is a spoon feature-wise. Audience volume-wise, it is the reverse. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
"Feature creep is the devil." truer words! - Joe Silence is not Santa
Now this makes me feel hopeful!:) - Patrik Johansson
Ok here's an example of what the social media + contextual ads could like like (sorry can't embed iframe twitter they go full screen so I showed it with friendfeed). But the idea is clear: http://victusmedia.com/social-... This works by sending your tweet stream to zemanta, and then does some backend stuff (which we're working on improving) to get relevant ads from amazon - Mark Essel
I've been rough on you guys in some comments around, but I'm VERY encouraged to see that you guys see a future for FF. Thanks for shining some light, Paul. - Scott of Two Countries
Clarification is appreciated. - DGentry
A respectable amount of information. Thank you. - Matthew DeVries
Chris: Pownce had more "features" than Twitter did, yet it died. So did other aggregators like Jaiku. It's not "features" that matter in social software. Well, at least not completely. It's a combination of features with crowds that matter. If the crowds leave FriendFeed has a lot less utility to everyone than if they flow in. Look at this item here. Why is it interesting? Because there's people here talking about it. - Robert Scoble
take your time PB Bear take your time - Thomas Power
This is definitely more of the answer we were looking for. Thanks, Paul. - Alex Scoble
Thank you - Johnny Worthington from iPhone
All I can say is "thank you" for letting us know what's going on. I'm glad to hear FF will be around for the foreseeable future. :-) LONG LIVE FRIENDFEED! - Jason Huebel
yea - happy happy.... - Chris Jackson
I can't find any wave that is even remotely comparable with friendfeed's conversation, if you found one will you invite me? (muzzle at googlewave) - Emme Ci
Great news, I await the new functions eagerly - Mo Kargas
looks like good news ... - johnpiercy
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the best thing I've seen ALL day!! woo hoo!! Thanks Paul :) {{{ HUG }}} - Susan Beebe
Just a few words of assurance go a long way, Paul. Thank you for finally giving us something more solid to stand on. It's been frustrating for a lot of us waiting for the other shoe to drop and this news makes it much easier to keep investing time in FriendFeed. Please don't be shy about reaffirming that it's not going away on a regular basis because it's always good to hear. - Fa La La La Lindsay
I will say it for the least time! Friendfeed kicks ass :). The rest who is saying friendfeed is dying. please SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! - alfred westerveld
Good to read. - Grant Bierman
Tnx Paul, people just want to see that are not "alone" - CantorJF from FreshFeed
"As a result - Jim has left the platform. - Jim Connolly" - Was this guy ever on the platform?! A quick glance at his most recent posts [first page] show pretty much 100% of posts made from other platforms. Cut him and his blood runs blue. Twitter blue :) - 1x29
IF you glance over the Right Wing guys publications-there is some serious Terrorism encouragement from those sociopaths. This looked like a real strong example of what they are encouraging their followers to do??? Been saying we need to pay attention they are respectable foes to intelligence and their agenda is to win at all costs. Dudes they are great foes, need to,got to, have to pay attention to what they are doing. Peace love your neighbors dudes. - ThatDBD
@ThatDBD I think you're responding to the wrong thread... - Fa La La La Lindsay
still curious, but understand - Kim Landwehr
It's fascinating that so many people seem worried about new features. Until recently Twitter added almost no features at all and yet it continued to grow in popularity. FriendFeed's recent slump is all about perception, not tech. - Eoghann Irving
Exactly Eoghann. - Itachi
these conversations take too much time for narcisists with tight schedules (stars). Publicity skyrocketed Twitter to the limelight. Friendfeeds champions are tech geeks, and folks that love chatting and sharing. There aren't many of us though. Give us time, or let us own the platform with a public ipo /buyin from facebook. Free friendfeed! - Mark Essel from iPhone
Looks like it's official then: FriendFeed lives! On new servers, even! (At least for now...) - Dennis Jernberg
Hoorah! - Ron Bailey
Very glad to hear it!! - Rosalinda Mojarro
word! - Dylan Casey
This is great news! Thanks, Paul, for the update, and if you get a hankering for a feature, great! I'm fine with the tech being your personal sandbox in exchange for keeping the service alive. Robert, I hope this means we'll see more of you and your family - and hear from the ones who have mastered the art of rolling over. Johnny, thanks for having the courage to ask the hard questions (and Louis for helping you frame the issues.) wow - life feels good again! - MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF from iPhone
This is brilliant news from Paul! Now can we put this FriendFeed is dying business to rest please? It's a self fullfilling prophecy because by saying FF is dying, folks begin leaving, causing a downward spiral which would then cause it to come true! - technogran
Wan't it to stay? Then begin spreading the word! Get others to use it! At the moment its not mainstream so encourage ordinary users to use FF! The more popular it becomes the less likely it is to fold. - technogran
Yes :) Paul . Thanks. we love ff :) - sunipeyk
Questions? No just enjoy it. - ★ Soner Gönül
technogran: sorry, today you see what's going on. Bing? Displays your Facebook and Twitter tweets. Google? Twitter. Where's FriendFeed in this equation? Now do you get why FriendFeed is destined to be a tiny niche player and why the real action is on Facebook? - Robert Scoble
Good news :) - Maryam Ardakani from FreshFeed
Is not FF that is going somewhere else (?). Is its user base. - Claudio Cicali ♋
Good to know. - orionstarr from iPhone
Robert, if FF gives me what I'm looking for, why do I care where "the real action" is? If FF serves its niche well, what's the downside? - Scott of Two Countries
Robert, do you mean that Google doesn't index Friendfeed posts? Friendfeed is the first site that comes up if you search for my name. - Victor Ganata
Excellent point Victor - but FF only imports a small % of twitter's posts. Ergo Google is still not getting Twitter. - Roberto Bonini
@Scobleizer - this item is not interesting because of the conversation. it's interesting because of who it's from, and what he said. The fact that there's a conversation around it and that conversation is easy to find and read is a bonus (a feature) that sets this service head and shoulders above others (IMHO). There's really not much interesting in the comments here, if you ask me. You could get rid of all the comments that aren't Paul's and the value of the entry doesn't diminish that much. - Chris Heath
That isn't to say that conversations around items aren't ever useful or valuable (or interesting as robert says)... but in this case i would say it's who it's from and what he said. - Chris Heath
Chris: you nailed, in a single paragraph, why Twitter is winning. You now can choose who shows up on your screen and under what context. Well, I can because I have list support. Everyone else will get that next month. Victor: Roberto is right. I barely see ANY of the good stuff I see on Twitter come over here. Well, it comes here because of my favorites feed, but that isn't in nearly as useful a form as it is over at http://www.twitter.com/scoblei... - Robert Scoble
Robert, you keep saying that's the reason Twitter's winning - I can do that in Facebook and FriendFeed as well. - Jesse Stay
Well, the problem is that Google doesn't seem to index tweets as well as it indexes Friendfeed posts. And Google has never been able go inside Facebook's walled garden. Hopefully that will change. - Victor Ganata
(and I have been able to for the last year or so) - Jesse Stay
Victor, that changed today - see ReadWriteWeb's post. Facebook is opening up public status messages to search engines now. - Jesse Stay
Why is Twitter/Facebook/FriendFeed a zero sum game? I use both Twitter and FriendFeed a lot - they have different strengths - and they feed into each other. Facebook I use less, but that's a personal issue because I simply like it less. Why does there have to be a winner? And +1 Scott, if I'm in the niche market that FF is serving and I'm happy with it, why should I care if "the real action" is on Facebook? If that's the case, I'll take FF's "fake action," thank you very much. - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Good point Jandy - sunipeyk
Paul: Thank you for letting us know status as much as you are able. The fact that you took time to write anything says a lot. So thank you for that. And thank you for FriendFeed in general. It truly does rock. Have a great day. - Morgan Haley
Thank you. - amygeek
Why don't you just give us all Facebook accounts for the one's that don't have them and be done with it. But the Turbocharged FF/FB accounts!! - Gene Williams
@Gene, sorry, you'll have to wait for a FB invite like everyone else! - Andrew C
@Andrew Oh that sucks, I'm still waiting for my Facebook invite. Do you have one to spare? - Patrik Johansson
FF team needs 20% time at FB to keep inventing the next. - Christopher Galtenberg
This is great to hear, it would be bad that a major peice of my microblogging arogration just died off. - denzuko
Bump for clarification and Happy Birthday Paul! - Charlie Anzman
Shevonne
Anyone having problems with Twitter and Posterous not feeding into FriendFeed?
Raises Hand .. twitter doesn't seem to come across through friendfeed - Bhowmik Shah
Yeah, my Posterous isn't either. It just started happening. =( - Shevonne
Twitter seems to be delayed by about two or three hours for me. - Curtiss Grymala
mine worked pretty immediately - sofarsoShawn
I think its an intermittent problem and its just delayed as opposed to being completely lost. - Bhowmik Shah
@Bhowmik Yeah...now I see them - Shevonne
→ Yes, this problem is a critical annoyance. If I refresh my Twitter through my homepage, I can see tweets; but must refresh every tweet I made or series of tweets made. I cannot get Posterous to work with Friendfeed; it appears to be a delay that never gets to this site. Also having issues with Digg, Tumblr, and Youtube; in that it takes from 1 to 4 hours for input to appear. Myself, a journalist for social media I just made another post in accordance with this subject for possible "insider" information. - H0llywoodWh0re
I do not use Posterous, but Twitter stuff shows up...slowly. Nothing that I post to Twitter that is supposed to go to Twitpic arrives though. - JA Castillo
Twitter yes - sofarsoShawn
Twitter. Which sucks because my Friendfeed appears on my blog and I like to select what shows up and what does not from my Twitter. It randomly shows up hours later. - beersage
My tweets have not been feeding into twitter today . . . - Chris Loft
didn't have any trouble with Postersous over the weekend. haven't posted since. my FriendFeed posts go to twitter with no problem. I don't post FFeed from twitter. - MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
I'm having problems feeding my tweets. Is that because they are losing blood to Twitter? They left us all alone.. that's a shame! - Burak "cyrus" Bayburtlu
Yes. I've noticed things are slow to come in here too. I thought it was more on Twitter's side, Twitter is under severe strain right now because lists have greatly increased engagement over there. - Robert Scoble
There seems to be a larger delay on everything lately. - Amber, Random Time Lord
Most of my problems seem to happen in the evenings. A number of services won't update. I started noticing this right after the buy out by FB. And it's been consistent ever since. - Bluesun 2600
Takes a long time for Twitter stuff to show up for me. I don't use Posterous so I don't know. But Flickr takes much longer than Twitter for quite some time. I think Twitter is having brain farts today (I had fail whale a couple of times). - Arlan Koizumi
same problems with my FB stuff... - Eric Gagne
Twitter hasn't streamed in for a while now. - Andrew Trinh
Twitter has been a little slow. - Roberto Bonini from iPhone
Twitter isn't working at all for me. So far Posterous is okie. - Alix Whitmire
I have to manually refresh for my tweets to come up. *sigh - Shevonne
Gary Burd
How to Shoot an Anvil 200 Feet in the Air - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
How to Shoot an Anvil 200 Feet in the Air
Play
"Gay Wilkinson enjoys blowing anvils more than 100 feet in the air. So much so that is a world champion at the activity." (via http://www.boingboing.net/2009...) - Gary Burd from Bookmarklet
awesome - Ňicķ
Almost hit balloon boy. - Louis Gray
This just in Ballon Boys Dad was able to catch the Anvil. ;) - Moved to Facebook
boy that was exciting - lets see him do that in times square - Allen Stern
pure awesomesauce - Jay
i like this breakdown of how the sexes respond to his stunt. - Felicia Yue
That was frickin awesome. - Chieze Okoye
Wasn't there something like this in the movie "Sweet Home Alabama" with Reese Witherspoon? My daughter rented the DVD and I watched it with her. One of the characters had an eccentric grandfather who was always blasting something into the air... I don't think it was anvils, but something similarly "thud-worthy." Hilarious! - Mark "DerBingle" J
Steve Rubel
"Three Reasons You Need to Be on FriendFeed *Now*" - http://bhc3.wordpress.com/2009...
"Three Reasons You Need to Be on FriendFeed *Now*"
Actually, I'm getting tired of Friendfeed. Most discussion is vapid, banal and inconsequential. IOW, a waste of time. - Dawn
Me too Matthew. I use it that way to some degree. - Steve Rubel from email
Is there a way to get a friend feed onto a personal web site? - Peter Fletcher
Thanks for posting this Steve. And Dawn, are you deliberately ironic? Regardless, this post is for those who may not have the time to engage actively here, but will still benefit from being part of the service. - Hutch Carpenter
Thanks Brian. - Peter Fletcher
Nice work but a lil late on this BNO - sofarsoShawn
Peter, you can also embed an individual thread on your site by copying the code from the "Share" link - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Oh, Dawn, that's rich cause I blocked you for bringing vapid, banal, and inconsequential stuff to friendfeed a while back. All you have to do is look at all the items from the Google I/O conference to see just how wrong you are: http://is.gd/HaUQ - Robert Scoble
"Personal Content Database" is quite apt (especially if we could have our service icons back) - When working in twitter and waiting for twitter's page to refresh a new post, it is quicker to jump to FriendFeed, because the post is there instantly. - Chris Loft
@rahsheen thanks for the tip. - Peter Fletcher
BS, Robert. You blocked me because I'm not one of your sycophants but actually challenge your assumptions, motivations and actions. Like when I said you were neglecting your blog, you retaliated against me, but just two weeks later, Arrington said the same thing and you took that seriously. But I'm just a female, right Robert?...somebody you keep calling stupid, even though I'm sure my... more... - Dawn
Amen to that! - Calvin Ayre
Dawn, I think I love you. - cecily
Dawn: you don't even have a clue about why I blocked you. It's cause you were arguing religion and politics and had no clue who Ralph Reed was and then you followed it up with the lamest posts on global warming I've seen that it made me wonder why I was arguing with someone so clueless (and I forget there were a few other things you were arguing about). So much for that high grade point average. By the way, I don't remember Mike Arrington ever talking about that stuff. - Robert Scoble
BTW: I unblocked her for some reason, I still don't know why. Oh, yeah, my brother stuck up for her and so far I've seen just the lamest additions to the community, like this one here. If friendfeed's discussion is vapid, banal, and inconsequential IT IS OUR FAULT. So, Dawn, this one is on you. Good riddens, I say. - Robert Scoble
Ahh, community. - τorƍue
#4 Bacon - sofarsoShawn
Yeah, right, Robert. I'm so lame that Louis Gray announced both on his blog and on FF that I'm a great person to follow. And you're comment about Ralph Reed just once again shows your bigotry against Christians, lumping us all in one basket - that far right fundamentalist basket that you once belonged to and now despise. I never did belong to it. I'm Catholic, not "born again." I've had... more... - Dawn
Btw, two people have DM'd me that Scoble is best ignored. I can't do that. Being the target of repeated and consistent defamation by Robert Scoble isn't the same as Joe Blow FFer calling you an idiot. Robert's words carry a lot of weight in the tech world. I've asked Robert privately and politely to back off and as you can see, he's refused to do that. I not only have the right to defend myself, but I have a duty to my present and future investors and to my future employees. - Dawn
FriendFeed's usefullness to me would increase 100% if I could automatically filter out every post with "friendfeed" in the title. That way I could get rid of the constant yapping about how great it is, and actually use it usefully. - Ian Betteridge
Bump for the good times. - Mark Krynsky
This is a post from last may! The situation has totally changed since then - DC Crowley
"even though I'm sure my IQ is higher than yours. Were you valedictorian of your high school? Or graduate magna cum laude? Did you get a graduate degree with honors" wow that means even i don't qualify :( - ffcode
I agree, I think we should try to save Friendfeed. - Hunt from iPhone
Paul Buchheit
There was a lot of chatter about the future of FriendFeed this weekend. The short answer is that the team is working on a couple of longer-term projects that will help bring FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world. Transformation is not the end. Consider this the chrysalis stage -- if all goes well, a beautiful butterfly will emerge :)
What is transforming... FriendFeed, or the idea of FriendFeed? - Christopher Galtenberg
Thanks for the update, Paul! - Anne Bouey
Fabulous News :) - Susan Beebe
Noticed the "leaked" Facebook UI screenshots and the groups blog post today, and both seem FriendFeed inspired: nice to see Facebook trying to bring the stuff we like about FriendFeed to a larger audience. - Mark Trapp
To Robert Scoble: I told you so ;-) - Jesse Stay
Sounds like they're adding some of FF's features to FaceBook. yay - Chrimmus Tad from fftogo
Mark - got link? - Susan Beebe
Thanks Paul :) - ashish
Paul, FriendFeed rocks as Gmail does ;) - Orlando Pozo
Devil is in the details: "couple of longer-term projects that will help bring FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world" == Facebook projects with FriendFeed-like elements == no work on FriendFeed itself. - EricaJoy
Thanks for the update, the more you communicate, the less we have to speculate. - Peter Hoffmann
The fact that these improvements are coming to Facebook and not friendfeed will not sway those who like friendfeed but dislike Facebook. - Alex Scoble
Thank you Paul for bringing "FriendFeed goodness to the larger world" -- THAT sounds awesome!! - Susan Beebe
integration with facebook? - Rocco Galluzzo
@Alex Scoble: That's true - Jorge Escobar
I hope out of the chrysalis emerges an infested Kerrigan. That'd be awesome http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki... - Ivan Kirigin
Thanks Mark, much appreciated... I'll check those out - Susan Beebe
+1 Ivan :) - Benjamin Golub
But we knew this was the deal the moment the full details of the purchase of friendfeed by Facebook became public. - Alex Scoble
Yeah, I don't give a crap about Facebook. I want to know about FriendFeed. - Rochelle
Is it the interface people dislike about Facebook or the people they're friends with on Facebook? I can imagine being able to import all your subscribers from FriendFeed and have them in a separate group that doesn't interact with other groups you may have on Facebook. - Cristo
sadly, no one with any power seems to care about FF anymore. - Joe Silence is not Santa
I'm glad to hear this. I prefer FriendFeed to Facebook any day of the week. - Nathan Clayton
And the answer for me would be some of both. I have real life friends and family that I don't necessarily want to get into the same discussions with as I do with people here. - Cristo
And there's your answer, Rochelle. friendwho? friendwhat now? Oh, you mean Facebook! (No I mean friendfeed) friendwho? (rinse, lather, repeat) - Alex Scoble
there are some ui differences (and i tend to prefer friendfeed in those cases) but i have friended quite a few FF people in FB and the experience is remarkably similar in many ways. - Jason Wehmhoener
Another big difference is I don't think you get the same FOAF interaction on Facebook as on FriendFeed. - Cristo
I hope my FaceBook peeps are ready for the FriendFeed firehose ... past experience would say that they're in for a shock. - Crutis
Thanks for the transparency on the Friendfeed "ghost town" matter Paul. Much appreciated. - Alex Knight
Thanks Paul... bring the special sauce to Facebook: http://blogs.zdnet.com/weblife... - Andrew
I like the "chrysalis stage" analogy - sounds cool.... goes an looks for FF goodness butterfly! - Susan Beebe
Good to know that FriendFeed still has some fight left; hope that translates into a viable and sustainable platform/utility for the masses (though I quite enjoy the close-knit, uber-geek community that it's become). - Christian
I don't like the chrysalis analogy. The butterfly emerges from the chrysalis and buggers off leaving the shell. Of course, it might then also get eaten by a bird. Tweet, tweet. - Mark H
Mark LOL nice, ... haha - Susan Beebe
Note that he didn't say that FriendFeed.com was going away, only that they're diverted to bringing it to a much larger audience - Jesse Stay
The problem is Scoble (Robert) and MG both just sent half of FriendFeed away so most of those that would benefit from this announcement won't even see it. - Jesse Stay
Jesse, I didn't get that from Paul's comment. I read that some of the friendfeed ideas will be going into FB. I like that idea, but I still prefer FF to FB because of the different conversations here that I don't have with friends and family. - Travis Koger from iPhone
Yeah, Paul's statement won't help friendfeed. This will just either give people more reason to go to Facebook or find another service entirely. - Alex Scoble
What Alex and Rochelle said. This sounds like a "we're bringing FF to Facebook" announcement, and I don't give a damn about Facebook. I want to know what's happening HERE. And Cristo, both, but more the interface. I care about the friends I've made here, and I'm connected with many of them now on Facebook as well, but I prefer to interact with them here, because I like it better. - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Travis, he didn't say that - you read that, but he didn't say that. I'm willing to bet FriendFeed.com will not go away. - Jesse Stay
As much as I agree about Scoble and MG driving people away, they have also effectively flush out some comment from the FF team. - Travis Koger from iPhone
Travis, there are better ways of getting the FF team to comment - Jesse Stay
:( I quite liked the caterpillar. - Nick Lothian
I think it's the opposite, the butterfly is becoming this crawling caterpillar :) - Jorge Escobar
Oh I don't think FF will go away, and damn will hope it doesn't either! - Travis Koger from iPhone
What I do see is more Facebook integrated into the FriendFeed environment - I think that's a good thing - Jesse Stay
The critical difference between Facebook and FriendFeed is the social model. With Facebook as it is today, you need to be mutual friends to see each others content. There is a "fan page" model but it is oriented toward "publishing/celebrity" rather than information sharing. FriendFeed has an asymmetric model like Twitter, where you can easily discover someone's content without any "friend" gesture whatsoever, and you can follow without friending. This makes the converation more discoverable, and useful.. - Adina Levin
Agree Adina. - Travis Koger from iPhone
If the integration is bringing public/asymmetric to Facebook, then it will be very useful indeed. If the integration is to add FriendFeed-style service integration into the symmetric/private Facebook model, it will be much less useful - it's more of the same - I'll be able to more easily share updates from youtube or last.fm or delicious to my friend network, but be unable to discover new people and infomation. - Adina Levin
Adina: And unless Facebook goes radically toward that model, it won't suffice for me. I could not care less about their upcoming redesigns. - Christopher A Carr
@Jesse - I can't see any sign that they are working on FriendFeed at all. All the indications are that the FF team is now working on Facebook, and only Facebook. That's great for Facebook, and I'm sure they will do wonderful work there. But don't delude yourself that FriendFeed is going to get anything more than critical fixes, and maybe the occasional thing done in someone's spare time. - Nick Lothian
Butterflies look totally different than caterpillars and they also fly away - Melanie Reed
Crickets chirping... is this site alive?? :) - Christopher Galtenberg
+100 Adina. The things I like best about FriendFeed (easy content/people discovery, FoaF, asymmetrical following and being followed) are completely opposite to Facebook's core model. That's why as much as people keep talking about Facebook adding FF-like features, I don't see the REAL FF core features making it over, because the mindset is different. - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I don't see this announcement as anything new, or as reassuring. We knew from the time of the acquisition that there would be would be some movement of FF capabilities into FB. The real question is whether this means absorption of FF into FB or attracting the FB user base into FF. The comment about "bring[ing] FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world" still leaves that question open. - John (a.k.a. dendroica)
+1 everything Alex Scoble has said. Friendwhat? What's a feed? Who uses RSS anymore? We've got PubSubWTFOMGBBQ now! - Mr. Gunn
Agree with Jandy on +100 Adina. - Amy℠
Also, I agree with Jandy and Adina's comments. - John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Nick, Paul just said they're working on other projects right now. That still doesn't mean FriendFeed is going away. I'm not deluding myself at all. I'm telling everyone else they're deluding themselves by assuming it's going away. All the FriendFeed team is still using FriendFeed, and Paul just tried to give us comfort not to worry. For some reason we all don't want to believe him. It's actually kind of amusing. - Jesse Stay
I wonder what the powers that be mean by "FriendFeedy goodness"? Is it understood what WE like about it vs. FB? - Amy℠
Paul - Wishing you all the best as you tend your new butterfly garden :) I'll be here to enjoy them! - Susan Beebe
Jesse: "For some reason we all don't want to believe him." <-- Don't want to believe what? He didn't really say anything. - Christopher A Carr
This is not the news that Friendfeed fans were looking for. - Raphael, Raphael
The issue isn't belief that they are going to do something. The question is what they are going to do, and whether that will continue the core value of FriendFeed, which is not just information aggregation but discoverability. - Adina Levin
I know more about the "Last Days" and heaven than I know about what's going to happen to FriendFeed as we have come to know it than was given in your rather cryptic answer, Paul. :) And while that may not be a fair comparison (God actually gave details and signs), there is something definitely not forthcoming about your response. A person usually withholds details that affect another... more... - Melanie Reed
Melanie, in other words, Paul works for a technology company in Silicon Valley that doesn't disclose future features, products, and services until they are ready. - Cristo
Hopefully this helps to quiet all of the "friendfeed is dying" talk. Because this thread proves ff is alive and well. - Garin Kilpatrick
@Jesse - I read it differently to you. To me, Paul is saying "We are taking what we were working towards on FriendFeed, and trying to bring that goodness to a bigger audience". No one is claiming they are going to shut down FF. - Nick Lothian
@Jesse - Want to make a bet on the number of new features added to FF before the end of the year? - Nick Lothian
You read my mind. Having seen a few acquisitions, I am wondering if FF staff was told to put the site in bugfix mode. - EricaJoy from IM
Cristo, to deliver some straightforward talk is not about giving away company details. If you have a product that is original and stands on its own, you don't need to refer to it as a "butterfly". Many companies even promote something new and upcoming especially to their loyal user base. It gives a signal. A proper one. It tells your users and future users enough so that they can make an informed decision about what they want to do instead of keeping them on tenderhooks - Melanie Reed
"the chrysalis stage in most butterflies is one in which there is little movement" (via wikipedia) So if you follow that metaphor then eventually FriendFeed will go through a metamorphosis -- that means it's not dead... really how hard can it be to get what he's saying? - Chris Heath
Its pretty hard :) The burning question is if they are putting FF goodness in to the walled gardens that are Facebook or are they bringing FF openness to FB too. I think the people here want the open forums that are FF not the closed ones that are FB. If FB is going hybrid with both walled gardens and open forums that would be OK too. People on FF want open forums... like Twitter and FF... without the crude interface that is Twitter and without the uncertainty that is FF now. - Ed Millard
Facebook is gonna have to rip off much of the privacy to maximize their product in the real-time web world. I am going to assume FF goodness is going to be applied to FB :) *crosses fingers* - Susan Beebe
Just a thought... why does "longer-term projects that will help bring FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world" JUST mean facebook.com? What I get from this is that they are working on a range of things, maybe bringing the FriendFeed sauce to a range of sites, powered by the Facebook back end. Who knows what that means. A FriendFeed service powered by FacebookConnect? Also to...... more... - Johnny Worthington
LMFAO. Johnny++ - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
FB needs to leave the privacy for the walled garden and the inner circle. Their current user base likes that. They just need a second feed that is an open forum and you can talk there without it bleeding in to your inner circle feed. - Ed Millard
Seems like the inner circle is breaking down some now, what with parents and other relatives friending teenagers. I'm guessing the information posted on the walls these days is not as private. Is there a way on FriendFeed to limit what on your wall can be seen by particular people and groups? - Cristo
Yes, but blocking doesn't work so well since you can just use Chrome's Incognito mode to get around it. - Alex Scoble
Translation: if you haven't switche to Facebook yet, you better do it now so you can get a good vanity URL. - David Chartier from iPhone
I don't know what all the fuss is about. But could we have the long answer too, please? - Laura Norvig
Although I'm interested, FB != FF. I don't see how the two mix in a way that makes me feel otherwise. Mixing audiences is not a good thing for me (with a few exceptions) and I know others share the same thought. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Did anyone notice that Robert Scoble didn't comment on this thread? What does this mean? Does it mean Robert Scoble won't exist soon? He must be working on a Monday afternoon, no? ;) - Cristo
Paul, will FF be here in 1 year, 5 years? - Robert Higgins
Robert, will you and I be alive in 5 years? - Cristo
Thanks for the update Paul.. - Chris Myles
Cristo I am funking nobody, I would like Paul to quantify his post. Simple. Will FF be here in 1 year? Will FF be here in 5 years? - Robert Higgins
Robert, I was trying to make the point that he might not know and can't predict what will happen over time. - Cristo
IMO friendfeed shoud attract more general audience... Facebook and twitter are having more general users. Most of the FF users are tech bloggers or those who needs aggregation services... I dont know it's just my feeling or not . but this is my impression on FF. but it's great service.. the features are too good... but we will roam were we meet our friends... thats most of the people are into twitter and FB. - Sarath
Sarath, is there a place you can get away from tech bloggers? :) - Cristo
Ohhhh a perrrttty butterfly, I'm moist with anticipation. - sofarsoShawn
Glad to hear it, Paul. - WorldofHiglet
Cristo: i almost made the same observation an hour or two ago when i first read through this posting and its comments. I was skimming and kept seeing alex, alex, alex... and thinking to myself... where's Robert!?! - Chris Heath
Great news. Thanks! friendfeed team. :D - 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
@Sarath - I have a lot more in common with the people I've met here on FriendFeed than FB or Twitter. Twitter is too hard to search, and FB (and Twitter to a good extent) is driven by the people you know in RL (and unfortunately I don't have nearly as much in common in RL with my family, co-workers and acquaintences as I do with people scattered all over the world who I have met on FF).... more... - Fa La La La Lindsay
I think that in his cryptic statement he means, and a lot of people here agree with me, that more Facebook's going to get more FriendFeedy. Which doesn't mean that FF still isn't dead or doomed. After all, he works for Facebook now. FriendFeed=open forum, Facebook=walled garden, totally opposite master metaphors; but I don't think Zuckerberg gets it, and FF belongs to Zuckerberg now. So this is really about FB; FF's still in limbo. Still, some FF people friended me at FB, and I put them in a special list. - Dennis Jernberg
@FF-team keep on rocking :). BTW I also think it's really cool you guys open-sourced tornado. - alfred westerveld
+1 what alfred said, and good to hear words like "longer-term" & "beautiful" coming straight from The Walrus - keep that vision strong. Hope all goes well for FF team doing some good re-inventing the Octopus Garden of FB - seems you've got your work cut out for you there! It would be so nice if any way to keep a "simple & pure" form of FriendFeed alive (maintained and developed - more open source?) for us to enjoy, but no worries .... you've simultaneously raised the bar and paved the way for the rest! - Dan Freeman
Good luck with the development Paul! Hopefully Zuck has some positive insight. - Garin Kilpatrick
I like butterflies. - Harold Cabezas
Paul: If someone offered me a bag of money to do what you guys did, I would have done exactly the same (probably a lot faster too). However, it would be nice if you spent an hour answering some of the questions here. It might also give people like me a little more faith, in what used to be your primary project; Friendfeed. You made the best platform on the planet - why not use it to let us know what the heck's going on? - Jim Connolly
I'm assuming that Facebook wants to keep their roadmap quiet. I respect that but leaving you community in the dark for a brand that the applications stand for community building is rather ironic. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
SUPER!! I don't Blame ya 1 Darn bit fer Dumpin' FacePOOP Paul!! ;PPP Wait FacePOOP is the Maggot Stage!! ;)) - Billy Warhol
If I can still have all my friends that I have here on friendfeed and share things with them the exact same way, I don't care what "www" address I have to type in to get it. I just hope i don't have to give up any of FF's awesome features! Thanks for the update Paul! - David Cook
The problem is I don't know whether to wrote an app on your API or not because i'm not sure whether it will all be dropped in the "transformation". Imagine speding late nights and weekends coding something up only for it to be dropped suddenly. Need a decent long term picture. Looking at Cliqset. - Steven Livingstone-Pérez
Good point Steven - and one of the reasons many of us are spending so little time developing our networks here. - Jim Connolly
waiting.... - ffcode
ffcode: Good luck with that ;-) - Jim Connolly
So the changes are at Facebook not FriendFeed, Paul? - Kol Tregaskes
And good luck to all of your team - Ozkan Altuner from iPhone
This is a truly disappointing/concerning post and I think it would have been much better to hold comment until something more tangible could be discussed. Thanks for adding to the confusion/drama Paul. - Nicholas Kreidberg
yemezler - MobilAdam
I do care about what happens next, but this is the best news of the day nonetheless ! thanks for giving us updates at last ! and I do hope FF will awaken again ! such a great tool, but letdown since the announcement of the buyback by FB - laetSgo
will I see this post in my "best of week" email from FF? - Kirill Bolgarov
If Facebook is going to get fixed, please remember that it needs fixing politically, not just technically. It needs to give people the option to open their data to Google - for instance. A walled garden where the walls are fixed in place sucks. - Tim Tyler
@Paul, or perhaps an Alien will erupt forth from its stomach? (kidding, kidding!) - j1m
Steven Perez
Think Progress » Husband joins Army so cancer-stricken wife can get health care. - http://thinkprogress.org/2009...
Think Progress          » Husband joins Army so cancer-stricken wife can get health care.
"Bill needed a job. He needed health benefits. [...] The Army would solve their health coverage problem. In years past he would have been too old, but in 2005 the age limit for enlistment was increased from 35 to 40, and a year later it was raised again to 42. The tradeoff would be his absence from home. In the end, although he risked leaving Michelle to fight cancer on her own, Bill chose the Army. He signed on for a job as a signal support systems specialist, a soldier who works with communications equipment. “Seventy percent of the reason is for the insurance,” said Bill’s mother, Marguerite Hemiller. “He told me, ‘I’ve always wanted to do something for my country and I have to help Michelle.’”" - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
This is all kinds of wrong ... this should not have to happen in a civilized country ... - Rene Wirtz
Jesus H. - Ayşe E.
Yeah. - Steven Perez
True that a person should not have to join the military in order to guarantee health benefits for a spouse - but it is also a testament to what the military has - which is "socialized, universal health coverage" which is not considered "insurance" (though it is managed like one). Rather, it is an *entitlement*... - ProsePetals (aka Denise)
hail bill - ffcode
+1 Rene - Andrew Terry
Tugce Cengiz
Pictures of a rescued Owl, not at all happy about being put in a cardboard box.
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what a hoot - Mike Nencetti
Not Happy .... - johnpiercy
++ Mike N - Bette Cooper
"'Oh ho, let's wait till he's asleep and put him in a cardboard box.' Har har, Hilarious. I f'ing hate you guys." - Chieze Okoye
Those eyes are AMAZING, wow! - Nicholas Kreidberg
Nicholas, agreed. It's kinda crazy. With the iris so vivid, I can't help but look at the pupils. Dilated. Contracted. Dilated. Awesome. - Chieze Okoye
what a beautiful creature! - vicster is...
Is 'not happy' the politically correct term for effing pissed off? - Shannon
the dilated ones are the most frightening. - edythe
I think he's more pissed he's in a Nissan. - beersage
OMG HE'S STARING RIGHT AT ME. Thus reaffirming my random fear of owls. - Penguin It's Cold Outside
That's pretty funny. - Alex Scoble
Gozleri cok fena.. - Tugce Cengiz from iPhone
süperrrr be gözlere baakarmısın - Ceyhun Mahmutoğlu
first one is one of the most scary looks I've ever seen ! - ozanevren
No one's said ORLY!??!?!? yet? Cute widdle birdie. - rowlikeagirl
:)) - Tugce Cengiz
definitely not happy! - Mehmet Aydin
coolest :) - ♂ QaoS
He's looking at you as if you're his most hatred enemy! 1st and 4th pics are proving it! - "Fikret" the Çevirgeç
Says : Hey, whom do you gawkin' at ya jerk! - Acharad Sami vanJoulee
korktum be - morkedipatisi
Good job with the rescue. You just gained a few Karma points! - Philippe
Robert Scoble
Oh, we finally found a GREAT use for Google Wave! Holy shitake! RT: @Orli: Awesome video!! http://www.youtube.com/watch... #googlewave
Oh, we finally found a GREAT use for Google Wave! Holy shitake! RT: @Orli: Awesome video!! http://bit.ly/4vfQAR #googlewave
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and I thought I had to much time on my hands........ - Cjay
Hehe! - Kol Tregaskes
pure genius! - Loc
Is this wave pulp fiction mockup real? Now that I have a wave account, can I see it in Wave? - SuezanneC Baskerville
Mark Jaquith
Two big patches for 2.9 just went in. [… - http://wpdevel.wordpress.com/2009...
Interested to see Viper's blog on oEmbed. I like to size my videos for a certain width and am not sure how I'd get that with that single url embed. Is this .com or .org? - beersage
It's .org. And it adds fields to specify max width/heights in the Media options. - Otto
You can specify a width in the options, or it'll use your theme's width. You can also do a manual generic embed and manually specify height width. I'm sure his post will cover all this. - Mark Jaquith from email
Paul Buchheit
This Is a Photoshop and It Blew My Mind - Photosketch - http://gizmodo.com/5374890...
This Is a Photoshop and It Blew My Mind - Photosketch
"PhotoSketch is an internet-based program that can take the rough, labeled sketch on the left and automagically turn it into the naff montage on the right." - Paul Buchheit from Bookmarklet
Wow, that is awesome. The authors list cracked me up: "Tao Chen, Ming-Ming Cheng, Ping Tan, Ariel Shamir, and Shi-Min Hu". One of these things is not like the others. - Jim Norris
What is the definition of naff here? Here in the UK it effectively means stupid/silly/rubbish. - Travis Koger
Yes, I can see it from the pixels.. :) - Jemm
Wow, co-developed at NUS! although they've managed to mis-spell Singapore - arunthampi
That's mind-bogglingly cool... - Andrew Terry
Unb-freaking-livable!! - Roberto Bonini from iPhone
their site is down already... - Maхx Tee
pretty neat but when i downloaded some higher resolution examples in their pdf, they didnt look quite as good - bob
it's not so much about the resolution as it is about the intelligence of the system. Pretty cool! - Vincent van Wylick
That seems so unreal! OnLive looks more real then this! Its blowing my mind - Devin
Was just reading about this in a spanish photography blog. Amazing program. - Juan Pablo González
Wow. That is so cool! - Zachary TG
Similar to some cmu research http://graphics.cs.cmu.edu/project... - Ryan Moulton
Does this even work? I think it might be a farce. - Harsh SIngh
Neal Jansons
A friend of mine led a team on a few of the animation sequences in the movie. This is the memo he got! There were a lot more details in his though. When the MPAA told them the movie was too violent, it scrapped a good chunk of the stuff he had been working on for several months. Those last weeks they spent redoing the animation to fill the gaps were insane. I remember when he came back... more... - Admiral Anika
Well, at least he was able to give the dildoes "personality" after all that Pixar experience. - Neal Jansons from IM
LOL I'll have to tell him that. - Admiral Anika
We never imply ownership in the event of a dildo. It's always "a dildo", not "your dildo". - Andy Bakun
Woot, Fight Club quote. - Neal Jansons from IM
Özer (Wrzl) Dölekoğlu
oha - onurd
bizim köy mü lan yoksa burası :) yararlar adamın kafasını çot diye işte böyle... - ems
çok hızlı gelişmiş herşey :)) - bengi gençer
oohaaaa.!! - şafak başkılıç
yarışta şike yapacaksan önce dengede dur dimi kaçma fırsatın olsun :) - mrtky
haketmiş - pessimist
Fanatizm sadece futbolda yok demek ki! - nihat solmaz
yok ems ora türk köyü değil bizimkiler aşağı atmakla bırakmaz böyle hakedenleri :)) - mrtky
İlk izlediğimde ya aşağıda su yoksa diye içimden geçirdim, nasıl bir sinirmiş anlam veremedim :))) ama çok da güldüm :))) - Cagatay Karakoc
yalnız kahve montlu adam soteye yatmış orda, saldırı planlı bence. - Parfe
"seni adi adam, senin ben, al ulan ulan sana gel nen gel.. hıh yarışma sen ohh" attıktan sonra "gel ya mahmut hiç şevk kalmadı gidip birer bira içelim" demiştir:)) kol kola gidişlerini görürüz son karedede:P - İrem[taşımasu]
yalnız dikkat edersek yayınlanan kanal RTL.. aksiyon normal ;) her şekil - ems
@mrtky, peşinden atlayıp bide suda sopalarlar bi temiz :) - Ekin Ertaç
bisikletli sanki ilk darbede aşağıya atlayacakmış ama yeterli itmeyi alamaış o yüzden beklemiş gibi. direk kurmaca bile olabilir yani :)) - Yasin Jason
ilk izlediğimde "oha dedim adamı uçurumdan aşağı attı" :)) - antique™
bisikletli kurtulmak için aşağıya atlamaya çalışıyor ama ayağı kendi bisikletine takılıyor dikkat ederseniz bizim adamımızda madem aşağıya atlamak istiyosun ben atarım seni diyerek fırlatıyor :) - Göksel Şirin
herşeye rağmen yarış devam ediyo:) - Demode
hah ben de bundan korkuyordum, yahoo meme ile birlikte 10 senelik videolar yeniden canlanacak. - Samim Maşat
bi daha :) - antique™
Haha süper :)) - Omer Ekinci
elemanı aşağı atan kişi FAIRPLAY komitesinden olmalı ahaha :)) - antique™
seni amna godumun, diye atı veriyor pisikletçiyi.. yauu... - ems
Instant KARMA! - AJ Batac
hala güldürüyor - Sinan İŞLER
چه پاکاره :)) -در راستای این که اینا عجق وجق می نویسن ما نمی تونیم بخونیم !!! - Bersam
heh fabulous ya :) - Halit Okumus
Arkadan gelen, iteni tartaklamaya başlayınca "atsaydın bari" dedim içimden. Demez olaydım :D - Oguzcana
Don't fuck with my cousin, bitch. - Itachi
ama haketti. :D - kirmizimercan
Bisikletci sanki gonullu atlamak icin... - Elestirel Gunluk
Nedense bu video bana kurgu gibi geliyor. Cheater'ın duvarın üst kısmına doğru meyletmesi ve aşağı atılmak için pek bir dirençsiz olduğunu gözlüyorum. - Cem ARGUN
Instant Facilitated Karma. I like. (In this one specific example, not as an overarching philosophy of vigilantism.) - SAM
Meanwhile, nobody is helping the rider who got shoved and is lying there while bikes drive around him. - m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
actually, the guy who saved the pushed-over rider's bike looks like he's gonna help him after the coast is clear. - Joe Silence is not Santa
amanııın,dünya şiddet doldu iyice... - Delfina
adamın inanılmaz bir adalet anlayışı varmış - Yiğit Arda Türkoğlu
çocuğun babası mıymış o? - Durukan Duru
Justice is served. - Jason Huebel
Holy cow. Can you imagine your thought if you are one of the trailing bikers? - Louis Gray
hahahah :D kesin türk ya :)) - Kemal ONUR
hobaaa! - BartuG
That's terrible...but I can't stop watching. - Tammy Marshall
Harbiden, belki kurmaca olabilir. Yorumlardan birinde okuyunca bi' anda dank etti. - Bora DAN
Jacob
I can't stop laughing. Stupid allergy trigger. - Admiral Anika
Poor thing's giving it his all too :) - Jeunelle Foster
OMFG! - Berge Gazen
That is the best animated GIF ever - Berge Gazen
the longer is goes. the harder I laugh. - Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
Brilliant! - Kol Tregaskes
That is hilsarious! - Alex Scoble
c'mon kitteh! you can do it!!! - AJ Batac
Sad to say, this pretty much sums up my life! - Louis Trapani
GO KITTY GO! - Jason Huebel
I kinda want someone to scare the living sh*t outtathat cat and see it REALLY take off! (I'm so mean) - Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕ from iPhone
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Gary Burd
Brett Slatkin on the Gillmor Gang - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Brett Slatkin on the Gillmor Gang
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The goal is to not solve present use cases. Oooh... - Louis Gray
Yeah, it's great the Brett is looking ahead instead of trying to duplicate Twitter or something. - Gary Burd
Interestingly (to me)... I've met Brett. I haven't yet met Gary. - Louis Gray
Michael Young
prototype from Tom Jackson allows you to create custom RSS feeds from NYT content - Michael Young
Josh Haley
Honolulu. Home.
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nawce - Alfredo
That's a cool scape. - Jason Nunnelley
For some reason I thought you were raised on Maui. - Spidra Webster
Maui onions, maybe. ;) - Josh Haley
Certainly not Maui Wowie. - Josh Haley
Josh, do you pronounce "Honolulu" like a native or a mainlander? - Stephen Mack
On my way there tomorrow. Aloha! - Steve "Daddy do it!" Lacy
Stephen, like a kama'aina, of course. Steve Lacy - have fun! - Josh Haley from iPhone
Nice shot - Panorama? - Ray Marr aka Knatchwa
Aww, slacy, guess I won't see you tomorrow at the cafe, but have a great time and fly safe. Josh, thanks for this shot. So I know "Honolulu" should be pronounced "ho-no" (so that both syllables rhyme) and not "hun-o" like most mainlanders do, but every time I did that I felt pretentious. - Stephen Mack
that is a stunning view. wow - vijay
It's beautiful!!! - Michael Fidler
coolest :) - 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
Benjamin Golub
Furthest Point From McDonald's | Dagoosh! - http://blog.dagoosh.com/post...
Furthest Point From McDonald's | Dagoosh!
"the furthest point you can get away from a McDonald's in the contiguous US is in South Dakota, where you can be 107 miles away from the wonderment that is the McGriddle." - Benjamin Golub from Bookmarklet
Mmmmm, McGriddle... - Brian Chang
This is pathetic. I have three within 5 miles of my house. - Will Sloan
I think I have 2 within 5 miles. One is within walking distance and the other is the next city over. I'm sure there are others I've managed to ignore, since I don't eat there. - Admiral Anika
I think McDonald's on Manhattan island are like Starbucks there - you can see the next one from the front entrance of the one you're at. - Brian Chang
I remember once reading that McD's objective was that no American be more than 10 minutes away from an outlet. - Piaw Na
just thinking of McD's makes me want to puke... (sorry about the implied image there) - Harold
Alright. Now do this with Starbucks. - Louis Gray
Just a sec ... ok ... got sunglass on now ... proceed with Starbucks version ... - Tom Horn
That is so cool. - Brian Johns
According to aggdata.com, there's 12,275 McD's, but only 10,995 Starbucks. The clear winner in number of shops is Subway sandwiches, with a whopping 22,944 locations. If you consider all types of businesses instead of just foodservice, FedEx wins with 52,065 locations. - Otto
How are there that many Subways, yet we just got one within 3 miles of me earlier this year. - Admiral Anika
That's only in the USA, mind you, although Subway will soon pass McD's at most locations worldwide: http://www.yumsugar.com/5162960 - Otto
Benjamin Golub
Amazing interactive 360-degree panoramic view of the entire night sky | Mail Online - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...
Amazing interactive 360-degree panoramic view of the entire night sky | Mail Online
"A new magnificent 800-million-pixel panorama of the entire sky has been unveiled online today. It was stitched together from 1,200 photos by astronomers at the European Southern Observatory from viewing sites in Chile." - Benjamin Golub from Bookmarklet
wow! - Chris Myles
Oh wow. Totally resharing this, thx! - Ayşe E.
You're not going to see anything like this in the Northern Hemisphere. This is only the night sky for those south of the equator. But it is cool. - Nina Jansen
WOW! - Susan Beebe
LOVE it!! - Roshan Ramachandran
hmmm didn't supply a link in the article! Ahh its the Daily Mail, to explain to non-UK-ites, the Daily Mail is the UK equivalent of Fox News. - Toby Graham
http://www.gigagalaxyzoom.org/ for the full thing. - Otto
Also: High res download here: http://videos.spacetelescope.org/gigagal... (25MB). All images are better when used as desktop wallpaper. - Otto
wow thats huge! 800 megapixels... - Matt Ellsworth
Truly beautiful! Makes earthlings so small! - Cool Wired
wow it's beautiful. - Benjo Castillo
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