Ben Hedrington - Likes

FriendFeed is the easiest way to share online. Learn more »

Bret Taylor

Very happy FriendFeed stayed up and fast through the WWDC. Good work, everyone at the FriendFeed HQ!

June 9, 2008 - Comment - Like - Share

birhan yel, Zu from AOD, urdumania1 and 130 other people liked this

rock solid - Dobromir Hadzhiev

38 more comments

Go FriendFeed!!!! EPIC WIN! - Steve Isaacs

I never had any doubts. Nice job, guys. - Louis Gray

Love Ya Friendfeed! - Parth Awasthi from twhirl

Indeed ! that's was very nice! Have you done anything special about this Bret? (Like twitter's folks) - directeur

very nice. anyone could guess Friendfeed would make it. - SolidSmack from twhirl

We did move a few things around, but nothing temporary - the event inspired us to optimize a few things we had been meaning to optimize anyway. - Bret Taylor

yay scalability! - Neha Narula

Bret: Big! Congrats! You've done a very nice job ! :) - directeur

I guess that I will be hanging out with ya'll for the rest of the day. :) - Mathew A. Koeneker

FriendFeed FTW! - mathew ingram

unlike the oh so much stress Twitter will be having FriendFeed will be up and running - Outsanity

I'd like to second this notion: well done Friendfeed, you guys have your shit together and I respect that. - ryangraves

Rob (Radez) actually just said the same thing. Good work, guys! - Gabor Cselle

Even wordpress hosted sites are down! FF is well hosted and manged! - Lakshman Prasad from twhirl

Me think FriendFeed cousin Googawl... - directeur

It rocked... simply the best place for live updates. - Vince DeGeorge

FF rox! - anna sauce

This was great! FF had updates faster than the folks liveblogging the event. - Jennifer Dittrich

ya, man, FriendFeed Rocks! - Ralph Poole from twhirl

Kudos..It was your stress test - Varun Mahajan

nothing beats FF! - Dieter Schwarz

FriendFeed triumphs yet again - Shey

can we have some traffic stats please? - Ivan Pope from twhirl

well done! friendfeed deserves all the hype it can get! - Chris Hofmann

Does it count as hype if it's true? - Amit Patel

pity we cannot say the same for twitter :) - Photo Larry from twhirl

Amit: A wise man once said it isn't bragging if it is true. - Russellreno

brat sana dm atamıyorum! - S. Aynebilim Beder

aynebilim sen bana sor takmaz o seni :P - Gökhan. (Guru fasulye)

:D iyiki layklamışım, gece gece kahkaya boğulurum şimdi. - batuhan icoz

puhahahahhaha - mehmetkose

#bretbunabak - @barisunver #beyn.org

adam bunlar kim noluyo falan diyodur şimdi, translate'den çeviriyodur falan :D - mehmetkose

aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh merdaaaa, aaaaaaahhhh mmmmmmerda! - 1Co

hazır tanış yok diye brat'e yazıyorum..hemen doluyorsunuz yahu peşimden:))) brat seviişelim mi? - S. Aynebilim Beder

ayn çok ayıp!!! - gzmozz

filiz'e sorsaydım keşke:( - S. Aynebilim Beder

haha adam ff'i kapaticak sizin yuzunuzden - Gökhan. (Guru fasulye)

hiç peşinden dolarmıyız ayıp sana. - mehmetkose

Steve Gillmor to Steve's feed, RealTime Network

Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific http:www.building43.com/realtime/

January 7, 2010 - Comment - Like - Share

Aron Michalski, Michael Pinto, Jeroen De Miranda and 10 other people liked this

http://www.building43.com/realtim... -- - Susan Beebe

117 more comments

On Gillmor Gang in 5 minutes - Kevin Marks

Get ready for today's GillmorGang - http://building43.com/realtime - Cliff Gerrish

feedbacccck!!! ** echo*** - Susan Beebe

Ah, my day just got better. Gillmor Gang is just firing up now. - Karoli

GillmorGang w/ Paul Buchheit, Danny Sullivan, Kevin Marks and Scoble - http://building43.com/realtime - Cliff Gerrish

When is Verizon going to give up CDMA for LTE? - Cliff Gerrish

Danny is missing the point that because it is open and can compete it will force the US carriers to start offering features to compete across the carrier vendors - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

just caught a great screenshot of Steve at his command center. :) - Karoli

Microsoft smartphone maker is HTC - Ballmer had it at CES- not sure of the model either - Susan Beebe

Steve's bank of monitors is cool although he needs liker picture in picture or something. LOL - Jim Turner

I think it was a Ballmer 3.0 - Cliff Gerrish

LOL :D It should say, "Bing, Bing, Bing" every time it starts up - Susan Beebe

HTC HD2 - Rob La Gesse

Funny. We're using Nexus One on AT&T and it's anything but a brick. In fact, I'm not sure I've even noticed that 3G isn't available. I previously had another Android phone from Rogers that supported 3G on AT&T, and they are virtually identical in performance. - Ward Mundy

There is lots of analysis saying the google phone web site is the true game changer and not the phone. Anyone agree? - Jim Posner

Jim, I agree to an extent. Unbundling the phone/carrier is the game changer. no question. - Karoli

Jim, I think that is the sleeper hit for the first quarter. Instead of the arm-twisting that Apple had to do with AT&T to get the network behavour they needed, Google is now going to make it so that the US carriers *have* to change or be left behind as niche phone vendors - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

It felt like a stockholder meeting. - Jim Turner

That's because 'phones' are dead. The devices need to be much more than that now. - Cliff Gerrish

sigh...now i have to choose between this and the President's presser. Perhaps the President could wait a few minutes? :) - Karoli

Karoli, that's what DVRs are for. - Cliff Gerrish

LOL - Susan Beebe

I like arrington's take on the providers needing to step up now. - Jim Turner

Mike Arrington just joined the GillmorGang (live) - http://building43.com/realtime - Cliff Gerrish

Zwpwpwpwpwpol';dkfa;ldfk awesome!! - Susan Beebe

LOL!!!! Voice recognition, FTW - Karoli

Robert they dont work any tme whether geeks in town or not. - Jim Turner

Untrained voice recognition has a lot more to do with the speaker than the phone. - Ward Mundy

On the GillmorGang Tank! =) - Micah

how can we use Google Voice on our iPhones????? - Susan Beebe

Ward, I agree. Using a headset/mic would help accuracy. - Karoli

I think it also helps if you spell out loud everything you want to say. - Cliff Gerrish

Just did a Nexus One Nav demo with voice recognition on YouTube. Had no problems. http://bit.ly/5NSwgd - Ward Mundy

Cliff, I spent 5 minutes training my Mac for MacSpeech, it's about 98% accurate. Amazing technology - Karoli

Karoli, did you train your Mac - or did it train you? - Cliff Gerrish

Anyone catch the Ballmer keynote last night...as a xbox 360 owner I found the natel announce interesting but not much else. - Jim Posner

On Nexus One, try: Navigate to Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. In 15 seconds, you're on your way. - Ward Mundy

Cliff, i don't feel like it trained me... - Karoli

Karoli, then it was very successful. - Cliff Gerrish

Ballmers focus seemed retrospective rather than forward looking. Has MS become irrelevant in terms of tech leadership? - Jim Posner

watching president's presser on CNN on my iphone while watching GG on my laptop. If I mistake Arrington for Obama, just shoot me. - Karoli

Cloud based phones suck when there's no access to the Net. Try connecting in Cambria, CA. - Alex de Soto

If you don't have a Google phone, check out Vlingo. I've got it on my Blackberry and I can do voice input wherever there is text input. It's also server-based - Ted Gilchrist

Uhh. All cellphones are cloud based. - Ward Mundy

"Strategic fear" is accurate label for Apple - Arrington nailed it - Susan Beebe

Apple's too proprietary / closed, could cause them to paint themselves into a corner fast - Susan Beebe

Aren't web apps on the iPhone completely open? - Cliff Gerrish

Google knows how to leverage and guide open source projects well... smart code & resource management - Susan Beebe

Cliff the apps may be open, but the holy Apple App Store is NOT open; highly biased - Susan Beebe

Apple is a consumer hardware company that invested heavily in the OS to help drive the consumer experience - that's a lot different than the Microsoft and Google focus. They all approach consumers from different starting perspectives. - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

As a first generation phone the Nexus One is as equally impressive as the first gen iPhone. - Jim Posner

Danny's an Apple fanboi!!! :P - Susan Beebe

Nobody's buying an iPhone because of an app-by-app comparison like that. - Ken Sheppardson

Keep that pic - it's funny watching Arrington get all twitchy!! LOL :D - Susan Beebe

that photo of scoble cracks me up. - Karoli

People are buying iPhone's because it's the default choice at this point. - Ken Sheppardson

The question now is "Why should I buy phone X instead of an iPhone?" - Ken Sheppardson

I'm sick of the carrier coverage bashing. It's a local thing. - Chaim Krause

In the UK the iPhone has banking apps. Property apps. Apps to measure my energy consumption in the home - Jamie

its gone way beyond Twitter and Facebook - Jamie

TMobile is an excellent data carrier but yes, if you live in the boonies you may have issues - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Instead of coverage talk about customer service, etc. Things that are not geo-specific. - Chaim Krause

The days of coverage being local are long past. To be competitive, coverage needs to be there, coordinated across regions. - Karoli

Exactly why it's good that a lot of the apps on the iPhone can be used without the cloud. - Alex de Soto

M$ was very disappointing... yawn - Susan Beebe

every time i've had to contact tmobile for plan changes or questions the folks have been friendly and able to answer/fix the problem. the phone folks are a lot better then the folks in the stores - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Robert is there 'cause everybody else is there. It's like being a Deadhead. - Ken Sheppardson

Robert's at CES because, "There's a lot of parties!" LOL :D - Susan Beebe

HP placing Bing as default search engine is a BAD move for HP... bye bye - Susan Beebe

Bing has an iPhone app *yawn*. It is surprising to see Bing doesn't render on mobiles - Susan Beebe

Paul was ranting a bunch this week on M$ - funny stuff - Susan Beebe

m.bing.com renders fine on my phone - Jamie

google docs rocks - Tim Jones

Google docs is amazing... collaboration is simply fantastic. love it - Susan Beebe

m.bing.com works on Droid, but bing.com doesn't suggest it; flickr.com is smarter - Kevin Marks

Jeffrey Hayzlett uses Google docs too :) Jeff is a very smart cookie, transforming Kodak - Susan Beebe

bing.com redirects me to m.bing.com on the iphone - Jamie

facebook ads are amazingly effective and well targeted - Susan Beebe

very interesting discussion; very insightful remarks especially in the discussion about Apple vs. Google - Jeroen De Miranda

the interesting thing is that with Quattro Wireless, Apple can build in an ad network to their mobile stack to keep developers on the platform - Jamie

and use it as an alternative means of monetisation. - Jamie

targeting? apple ID info. - Jamie

the mono folks have been trying to evangelize the .net/CLR tech and have been berated constantly by Microsoft - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Apple's mobile me is a total failure on Droid too - Kevin Marks

Microsoft is throwing a lot of money at getting Silverlight to stick, but nothing has stuck yet. They have to pay off everyone to get Silverlight in. Once the money stops, Silverlight disappears. - Matt M (inactive)

mobile me uses soo many safari-specific html items it reminds me of how some MS products are tied to IE - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Kevin - haha not surprised! ;o) - Susan Beebe

I think in a year we'll have to look back at 2009 as the year Palm died its final death... sigh.... - Ken Sheppardson

Netflix watch instantly works great -- (silverlight) - Cliff Gerrish

completely agree ken - Jamie

Droid-Nexus One was the one-two punch that finally sent them to the mat. - Ken Sheppardson

I think part of it was self inflicted - Jamie

Interesting that the xbox and mobile teams have be joined at msft. - Cliff Gerrish

todays web os announcements were completely underwhelming - Jamie

Oh, ALL of it was self inflicted, Jamie... in some sense ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

XBox is a strong piece of technology - the only thread M$ has left to hang onto - Susan Beebe

Cliff, I think Netflix is the only big success story I've seen for Silverlight. - Matt M (inactive)

Zune? No mention of Zune when discussing Windows mobile stuff? - Ken Sheppardson

maybe Microsoft can buy Palm and bring their web skills to use - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Matt, how about the olympics? - Cliff Gerrish

"But after the conclusion of the [olympic] games, NBC went back to using Flash. Another setback for Microsoft came when Major League Baseball Advanced Media, the group that streams baseball games over the Web, decided to drop Silverlight." - Matt M (inactive)

bear: I think Palm's taken on too much ex-Apple persona to be a Microsoft target. :-) - Ken Sheppardson

Apps are the KEY game changer in the mobile market. Of course decent signal & data are a must too! - Susan Beebe

Why doesn't Twitter do a camera? - Ken Sheppardson

Does the Nexus One have push technology? - Karoli

Ken - ah, that's a shame - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Susan, I completely agree. Apps will drive phone decisions, etc. - Karoli

Yeah, and I completely disagree. I think early adopters overestimate the extent to which app selection matters. - Ken Sheppardson

Ease of use, carrier choice, coverage... all trump number of apps. - Ken Sheppardson

Thanks guys :) - Susan Beebe

Ken, carriers need to become seamless. I choose my carrier based on carrier, not based on handset. - Karoli

Bye Steve, thanks for a great show. - Karoli

Which do/did you chose first, Karoli: carrier or handset? - Ken Sheppardson

it's always been handset choice for me - but then again I change phones in 2-3 year cycles so i'm never locked into a contract when I decide to move. - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I think the typical smartphone decision process these days goes (1) Do I object to iPhone for some philosophical reason or do I so hate AT&T so as to not buy one? (2) if so, which carrier am I on now, (3) what's the best phone on that carrier. - Ken Sheppardson

that was a 2009 era decision tree - I think the availability of android phones on all of the carriers will now change that for 2010. (or at least I hope it will) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

with android, there are choices. alot of people like a keyboard - Tim Jones

There'll be a point where mechancial keyboards are completely replaced with virtual keyboards. (the physical keyboard becomes an object of nostalgia) - Cliff Gerrish

Paul Buchheit

Idea for a useful webapp: A tool for doing web page mockups that's better than Photoshop because things actually look right (because it's rendered by the browser). It doesn't need to generate good html, so absolute positioning, etc is ok.

September 4, 2008 - Comment - Like - Share

Daniel Rowley, Laura Norvig, April Buchheit and 22 other people liked this

FrontPage? DreamWeaver? http://refreshingapps.com/showcas... - Lindsay

20 more comments

Um, isn't that what Balsamiq does?? - Cyndy

Please god no, don't create another "doesn't need to generate good html" code generator. srsly - Jason Wehmhoener

Well, as for the mockups, there is really great Firefox extension called Pencil. You should try it. - Mladen Srdić

using Cappuccino, an open source framework that makes it easy to build desktop-caliber applications that run in a web browser? - huixing

Paul, have you checked out Axure http://www.axure.com/? I've typically used Visio or resorted to whiteboards/paper as they are easier to edit. - jho

Jason, I would be fine with it not generating html at all. As for Balsamiq and some of the others, the idea is actually that it would look more like the final product instead of less. Photoshop gets fonts wrong and stuff because it isn't a web browser, and yet people still keep using it, so it seems that it must have some advantage over the other tools. - Paul Buchheit

Are mockups that look exactly like the finished product even desirable? I'm reminded of the "Napkin Look & Feel" (http://napkinlaf.sourceforge.net/#Overvi...) - Laurence Gonsalves

Depends whether your goal is to sketch and idea or create a final design. For the latter, you really do want it to be pixel perfect. For the former, you want a "wireframe" or whatever the cool kids call it these days. - ⓞnor

What ⓞnor said. For "wireframes" a whiteboard is fine, but eventually you want pixel-perfect designs. - Paul Buchheit

Paul, you should check out Denim, http://dub.washington.edu:2007/denim... - imabonehead

Paul have you tried Fireworks, that's what our designers use. - Michael

http://www.balsamiq.com I got this link from Cooper U boards a while back, and a lot of my co-workers have found it very useful. While it's not pixel perfect, it allows for really quick mock ups with the idea that the design of the end product will be done by actual designers. - Sam Ee

http://www.balsamiq.com/product... That's a better link. The demo video sold me on the idea. - Sam Ee

Second attempt: http://friendfeed.com/e... - Paul Buchheit

I've been looking for something like this for years. Balsamiq is definitely a good start, but I feel like there's not quite enough depth yet. Has anyone had luck with stencils like the ones found at http://graffletopia.com/ (for Omni Graffle)? - Sutee Dee

pixel perfect? The web isn't print. Complete control over the rendering environment is an illusion. Don't submit to it! - Andy Bakun

Paul, have you checked out Axure RP? - jho

http://gomockingbird.com/ - Neil

Vi is pretty good. You just write some text and point a browser at it. - Cliff Gerrish

Try wireframing and prototyping apps - I am not sure if output is rendered at browser level though. Protoshare.com, jumpchart.com, productplanner.com - TrafficBug

Done, already - Özkan Altuner

Dave Winer

What I've learned about Hyperlocal (Scripting News). http://www.scripting.com/stories...

October 13, 2009 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

Ben Hedrington liked this

mashable

Online Retailer Newegg to Raise $175 Million in IPO - http://mashable.com/2009...

September 28, 2009 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

Ben Hedrington and Jay liked this

Steve Gillmor to Steve's feed, RealTime Network

Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...

September 24, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

Christian Hollingsworth, Daniel Chow, Michael Pinto and 23 other people liked this

Nice. I'm home this afternoon and get to see it live for the first time. - Amyloo

355 more comments

ditto. no sound either. - Christopher Harris

We're getting there - Brett Slatkin

The test pattern looks good so far. - Matt M (inactive)

We are starting shortly. - Robert Scoble

whoooo! shortly! - Christopher Harris

Please stand by... - Robert Scoble

It's on - Matt M (inactive)

Cool - Ken Sheppardson

Rackspace is wasting their money, they could reach 175000 geeks by advertising on TWiT - Mark

first time i'm seeing the new video :) - Christopher Harris

Mark: who said we won't do that too? - Robert Scoble

Alright... need to pull up Dave's Twitter stream in another window... - Ken Sheppardson

look at that chizzled jaw, lucky guy - Mark

dave winer? - Christopher Harris

Considering we're watching video sucked over Skype and rebroadcast over ustream, the quality is pretty good. - Matt M (inactive)

"Fast RSS." I liek that generic term. Harkens to fast zombies. - Amyloo

Fast feeds - like fast food? Will there be a Slow Feeds movement? - Kevin Marks

Polling sucks. - Bob Wyman

Bob: can you explain why you think that? - Robert Scoble

And how that fits into this conversation? - Robert Scoble

Knowing "what's new" is pretty important - as important as "something is new". - Matt M (inactive)

Scoble: It's inefficient. - Eric Florenzano

Aha I'm awake in time for the gillmor gang. - Hilary Talbot

polling wastes resources on both sides of the connection for the majority of the time when there are no new items - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Hey Hil. - Amyloo

hey Amy :) - Hilary Talbot

Scoble: Think of the browser. V1 of friendfeed was polling. You had to ask (by refreshing) whether there was new content. This version of friendfeed is push, where FriendFeed tells you when there's new stuff. - Eric Florenzano

bear: right, so is Pubsubhubbub doing it right or wrong? And, is there a better way? - Robert Scoble

the key part is that it's sending the content along with the item - this dramatically reduces client complexity - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

By "server", he means "hub", re: doing more work. The blogs do as much work as they do today (ie: ping the hub). - Matt M (inactive)

Hubbub is doing it right IMO - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Scoble: Just remember everything I said to you 5 or 6 years ago when explaining why PubSub was useful and why "one-day" people would realize that real-time would be good. Nothing has changed. - Bob Wyman

Bob: yup, I'm slow. :-) - Robert Scoble

Robert: You need to get more "real-time"! - Bob Wyman

Right - this is the HTTP/HTML version of what PubSub has been doing for XMPP - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Absolutely. No question. Yes. - Bob Wyman

Yeah. It could do twitter. - Matt M (inactive)

correction - I'm not the CTO - I don't think Johann would like me taking his job :) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Oh, sorry. - Robert Scoble

Is it possible Bill Gates had it right, Business at the speed of Thought? We want content and information as we think it. - Owen Greaves

I get confused. :-) - Robert Scoble

Someone ask Recordon if they've figured out how all this can relate to activitystrea.ms, the streams protocol Facebook, MySpace, and others support - Jesse Stay

no worries :) I like the promotion - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

which is Atom based - Jesse Stay

You'd have a hard time doing twitter over rssCloud - you'd have to be pulling the last 30 twitter messages after each tweet. That's 30x the traffic. - Matt M (inactive)

If you were designing this sort of system from scratch today, I can't imagine that you'd take a polling approach. It's legacy left over from page-based web browsing. - Ken Sheppardson

This is a great fit for activitystrea.ms - Kevin Marks

Kevin, that's what I was thinking - both being Atom, they ought to fit together well. I'd love to see a use-case in action. - Jesse Stay

Yeah, activitystrea.ms works easily with Atom which can then be made real time using PSHB. - David Recordon

robert - easily - Seesmic ran in the cloud until we finally needed more memory for the Java side - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

polling is useful as a fallback and to pull history when subscribing for the first time. - Kevin Marks

Can we all just agree on "Hubbub" vs "PuSH" or saying "pubsubhubbub" every time... once and for all? :-) - Ken Sheppardson

I'd love to see Brett's opinion on why Twitter won't implement PSHB - Jesse Stay

It requires a big player just to have the operations staff to maintain a high volume site - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Jesse: I was just about to ask that. - Robert Scoble

Tornado uses epoll and it's been used by Twisted Python - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

but if it's distributed - it would scale out anyway - Ankush Narula

Kqueue too :) (Well, Twisted does support that, Tornado doesn't yet) - Eric Florenzano

Twitter won't implement it because they want to be the hub, and they want everybody to use their own, proprietary APIS - Ken Sheppardson

Ankush - correct - until you get "scobled" (i.e. when you have one user with a huge number of followers) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Mike: and wait until you get onto Oprah! :-) - Robert Scoble

Sounds like DNS - Rob La Gesse

Ken, I understand the Hub part, but I can't help wonder if they just don't understand how it could help their API. They could use their own hub if they wanted. - Jesse Stay

Are Hubbub and rssCloud the same thing? (...he asks, feigning innocence) - Ken Sheppardson

The PSHB protocol is "simple" and fairly trivial implementations are possible. But, *any* single hub that monitors millions of feeds is going to need care and feeding. There will be *very large* hubs and their will be tiny hubs and they can all work together happily. - Bob Wyman

I'd love to know if Brett or Brad have reached out to Twitter in any way - Jesse Stay

Ken: no. Similar efforts but come from different histories. RSSCloud comes from Dave Winer's side of the house. - Robert Scoble

robert - oh hell no - that's what Loic is good at - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

the distinction is that PubSubHubbub sends the fat pings with content in; rssCloud sends an update notification and still needs a poll - Kevin Marks

Mike: actually Loic has someone speaking at LeWeb that has a bigger global brand than Oprah. - Robert Scoble

robert - yea, I haven't found out who yet - i'm curioius about that - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

It's Dr. Laura isn't it Robert? - Jesse Stay

what happens if a hub dies? - Ankush Narula

Jesse: way bigger than that. - Robert Scoble

Yeah, Twitter wants other people to adopt their streaming API, if anything... they don't want to be yet another hub in some network - Ken Sheppardson

rssCloud causes "thundering herd" problem on source blogs. The result can be a complete swamping of smaller publishers. This was the core "mistake" in rssCloud when it was first done 7 years ago and it remains the core error in that protocol. - Bob Wyman

How about working with the OMB guys? Why PSHB vs. OMB protocol? - Jesse Stay

yea, Twitter got burned with XMPP early in their engineering life so have a bad taste for it - they got burned not because of XMPP but because of other non-tech reasons - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Jesse - IMO OMB should allow for atom payloads - then it could become part of PSHB by default - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

OMB could generate activitystrea.ms + PSHB too - Kevin Marks

Thundering herd would be a *huge* problem if Twitter were to get decentralized. Oprah has 1MM+ followers - that's 20 tweets * 1k * 1MM subscribers on each tweet. - Matt M (inactive)

Celine Dion probably has a bigger brand than Opera, and she speaks French (ADD kicking in here) - Jesse Stay

Bear, interesting - Jesse Stay

Bear: The issue wasn't XMPP the protocol, it was the software they used to implement it, the systems they built to feed it, the way they configured it, etc... XMPP isn't, a priori, any worse than the alternatives. - Bob Wyman

OMB made a big mistake when they created their own protocol instead of just extending ATOM, IMO - Eric Florenzano

Bob, yes - you said it much better than I did - I was trying to say just that - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

There was also the on again/off again relationship Twitter had with Gnip that confused the whole XMPP situation - Ken Sheppardson

Yeah, I don't really see what OMB gets you these days given activitystrea.ms, Hubbub, etc. Seems redundant. - Ken Sheppardson

We have an interesting interview with Gnip's founder on Building43 right now, by the way. - Robert Scoble

@Matt: Right. with rssCloud, publishing becomes massively expensive if you get popular. rssCloud will, on the other hand, work well for people who aren't very popular and don't have many people interested in what they publish. For those folk, rssCloud is a potential solution... :-) - Bob Wyman

Gnip link: http://www.building43.com/videos... - Rob La Gesse

oh cool - Gnip has some very cool tech behind the scenes - i'll have to queue that video - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Ken - now that identi.ca/status.net has plugins - nothing prevents someone from wiring up a PHSB hook to the internal message queue for identi.ca/status.net - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

bear: You know if anybody's pushing activitystrea.ms out of a Laconica instance yet? - Ken Sheppardson

I imagine that hooking up the twitter firehose to PSHB would be really easy and cheap, but it would likely violate the twitter firehose license. - Matt M (inactive)

kevin - yea, one of the most fun projects I did was to hook a sms/xmpp bot to a phone switch - it allowed you to control your vm/phone from xmpp and gave a lot of benefit - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

EVERYTHING cool violates the Twitter firehose rules :) - Rob La Gesse

ken - there is some private branch work being done on that - but they are working on getting 0.9 out the door first - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

@bear great - we should get you hooked up to the Ribbit APIs for telephony stuff and Seesmic - Kevin Marks

Rob: FriendFeed figured out a way around the stupid Twitter rules. - Robert Scoble

I think just knowing that Twitter offers a firehose violates it's terms of use. - Ken Sheppardson

@kevin i would love to review them and make a pitch to the team about them - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Robert - FF didn't try to share the firehose. - Rob La Gesse

$50M for FF engineering and architecture team? - Ankush Narula

@bear great, email me kevinmarks@gmail.com - Kevin Marks

..and FF was able to position themselves as a Twitter client, in a sense, by pushing traffic to Twitter. They weren't just extracting value from the system. Plus, they probably asked nicely and sent cupcakes. - Ken Sheppardson

Rob: sure it did, but it only shares it for people who have logged into FriendFeed. - Robert Scoble

Rob: Twitter's rules are "don't create a shadow Twitter." As long as you don't try to do that they probably will let you play. - Robert Scoble

Rob: of course every geek in the world wants to create a shadow Twitter. :-) - Robert Scoble

Rob - once they produced the v2 api - then they started sharing the full stream. Until that point it was a partial stream - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Robert - my point is - at the same time Twitter couldn't support more use of the firehose, they demanded the firehose NOT be re-broadcast. They don;t allow one to become a "node" of the stream. Which seems silly. - Rob La Gesse

That's not entirely correct, Robert. Their other rule is "don't try to monetize something firehose based that we may at some point in the indefinite future think about monetizing ourselves" - Ken Sheppardson

On PubSubHubbub and rssCloud ... (http://brad.livejournal.com/2405147...) - David Recordon

Ken: we're saying the same thing. :-) - Robert Scoble

decentralization!!! - Ankush Narula

Rob: FriendFeed rebroadcasts the Twitter firehose, but only for the people who have signed onto FriendFeed. - Robert Scoble

Robert: Ah... right... "shadow Twitter". Gotcha :-) - Ken Sheppardson

Robert/Ken - I can understand why Twitter doesn't want downstream nodes passing on the stream - they lose access control - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Robert - they are not. They are broadcasting back a VERY small portion of that stream, at best. - Rob La Gesse

I think technically rebroadcasting is illegal according to the Twitter developer terms for the firehose - Jesse Stay

Mike me too! Rob: it is a small portion because only a few hundred thousand people have signed onto FriendFeed, but if you could get everyone on Twitter to sign up here you'd see the entire firehose. - Robert Scoble

See: http://code.google.com/p... - Bob Wyman

In so far as fire-walled end-user applications can't receive pings, PSHB protocol mainly helps publishers and server-side aggregators like Google reader. Since this "last mile problem" is out-of-scope for PSHB, we can't yet expect any client explosion the likes that Twitter has seen. Any thoughts from the panel on the last mile problem? What would have to be done so that Tweetie, Seesmic, etc, might benefit from PSHB? - Mason Lee

Robert - I disagree. I think if that happened the hose would be shut off. - Rob La Gesse

The protocol comparison document is at: http://code.google.com/p... - Bob Wyman

Well, I don't think it's just rebroadcasting... there's also an issue around derivative/aggregations based on the firehose, firehose-based analytics, etc - Ken Sheppardson

Why isn't Twitter ever a part of these conversations? I'd love to hear their viewpoint. You should get Ryan Sarver on one of these episodes. - Jesse Stay

I believe they have an open invite :) - Rob La Gesse

real time chat across different media and internet access levels - you pick what size/speed your want your conversation to happen at - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

The last time I saw Twitter participate in this sort of conversation was at BearHugCamp last fall.... and I suspect that left a bad taste in their mouth :-) - Ken Sheppardson

I'm curious if anyone invited them - Jesse Stay

But you can't do global Track across a federated system - Ken Sheppardson

But Kevin, what about tracking the firehose? - Cliff Gerrish

*somebody* needs to aggregate everything if you want to search across everything - Ken Sheppardson

*drink* someone mentioned Track - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

@Mason If PSHB handles the backbone problem of providing fan-in and then fan-out for millions of feeds, it makes it massively easier for people to focus on building innovative front ends. There isn't much opportunity for creativity in solving the backend problem -- that's why it is reasonable to build something like PSHB today. The really fun problems are the things that should be relying on PSHB as a source of feeds. Let PSHB do the boring backend problem -- you should focus on innovative clients. - Bob Wyman

drink - Rob La Gesse

Ken: that's a good point. - Robert Scoble

or you need to delegate/distribute searches out to the hubs - Ken Sheppardson

I need a drink! - Robert Scoble

Robert - grab some formula! - Rob La Gesse

But, "follow" isn't enough. We also need TRACK! - Bob Wyman

Or that other kind of milk. - Amyloo

There are certainly benefits to distribution and redundancy, but there *are* benefits to centralization. - Ken Sheppardson

Kevin has the key point, getting what you want... Discovery of what you want would be next... these hubs will be learning patterns of what is wanted. - Ben Hedrington

Or will it be too decentralized? - Ben Hedrington

Discovery on a federated/partitioned system is problematic. - Ken Sheppardson

but PSHB isn't for track, as you have said eloquently on the mailing list, Bob - Kevin Marks

live filtering? - Ankush Narula

So discovery is the next frontier? - Ben Hedrington

track remains a problem even with PSHB *but* using PSHB allows you to do a track across more than just one source - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Robert: chat room other than here? - David Stratton

discovery happens the same way you discover new blogs IMO - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

@Kevin: But, if I've got PSHB aggregating the feeds, it makes it really, really easy for me to build a server that *does* do track on the stuff that PSHB feeds to me. - Bob Wyman

Discovery has always been the new frontier - Francine Hardaway

David: this is the chat room. - Robert Scoble

Hubbub allows some central search provider subscribe to everything, then people can subscribe to the search provider... but there just has to be some way to discover/broadcast which feeds are out there... this is an issue with SUP, btw... discovery. You have to know a feed's SUP ID first. - Ken Sheppardson

okay, thought so - David Stratton

I guess I wasn't being 2010 enough. This is the chat feed. :-) - Robert Scoble

So you mean if you want to do research or market research you will pay - Francine Hardaway

@bobwyman sure, but that isn't the usecase Robert says he wants; he needs a mass crawl for that - Kevin Marks

Francine: and restaurants will pay $10 a month to have their own Twitter. - Robert Scoble

I remember the Microsoft guy at BearHugCamp last fall was wondering why anybody would ever want to build a Track system, rather than just leave it to Google... - Ken Sheppardson

I'm a set of keywords, I'm looking for a set of keywords - Arnie Klaus

Of course, Twitter will probably offer http://www.sushirestaurant.com/twitter at some point too. - Robert Scoble

Live regexp for big pipes sounds like a $1Billion dollar business. - Cliff Gerrish

we've been doing this stuff with MOM in financial market feeds - topic subscriptions, channels, etc. - Ankush Narula

@kevin, I dont' see the distinction. I can do track based on all that flows through the PSHB hubs. That's semantically equivelant to doing a "mass crawl" - Bob Wyman

And what will they really do with it? That they don't do now - Francine Hardaway

You can have one aggregator that controls the entire feed, or you can set the feed loose and let several companies aggregate from those. Same data, no single point of control. - Rob La Gesse

Francine: I can see a lot you would do if you had your own branded Twitter clone. - Robert Scoble

Every Hubbub hub could/should provide a local firehose to anyone who wants it. - Ken Sheppardson

distributed track is possible. Centralization only makes it easier. - Bob Wyman

Complex events processing... - Cliff Gerrish

@bobwyman only if all the hubs do collation for you, surely? Content-based filtering inot feeds on the hubs too - Kevin Marks

Bob: and even centralization isn't THAT easy. Twitter only shows you the last few days on http://search.twitter.com - Robert Scoble

How similar to JustSignal? - Francine Hardaway

This is similar to tracking multiple market centers (pools of liquidity) to get the right trade. - Cliff Gerrish

John Kalucki, a SQLstream co-founder, has been at Twitter for about 18 month now working on... wait for it... their firehose API. - Ken Sheppardson

Cliff: Now I understand - Francine Hardaway

the fun happens when PSHB allows for disparate streams to have firehoses - then all the search/filter geeks can do their thing - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

@Scoble: "history" is irrelevant to any system doing a real-time track. All you care about is the future -- not the past. Past is for "retrospective search," "track" is about "prospective search". - Bob Wyman

The future: filter, search, discover, curate - Francine Hardaway

So Twitter is trying to become FriendFeed? - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Sure we do. It's called TwitterSpy. Dustin Sallings built it two years ago - Ken Sheppardson

others have built the same thing... - Ken Sheppardson

Mike - so is Facebook :) - Rob La Gesse

Bob: I want both. - Robert Scoble

@bobwyman disagree - you need both flow and past; they complement one another - Kevin Marks

bear: I think if you look at some of the newer Twitter web clients, they're basically a FriendFeed-like UI on top of the Twitter message bus. - Ken Sheppardson

twitter retweet is going to make a lot of folks angry - not that I have any inside info or anything - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

bear: hah! - Robert Scoble

@Scoble: Of course you want both. I would never question that. The two halves of search compliment each other. Only retrospective or only prospective is only half the solution. Most of the systems you've ever used have only solved half the problem . - Bob Wyman

bear: Justine Bateman's already mad about it. :-) - Ken Sheppardson

Bob: agreed. FriendFeed came close to solving both. - Robert Scoble

London here :) - Bastian

New York here... - Bob Wyman

hawaii here - Arnie Klaus

Texas - Rob La Gesse

Philadelphia - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

NYC - Ankush Narula

Just got a 503 on Twitter... we breaking it real time? - Ben Hedrington

Washington State - Steve Hammer

San Francisco (not Silcon Valley ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

canberra, Aust - Hilary Talbot

Dana Point, CA here - michael sean wright

nice thing we started here - Bastian

Wow - what a nice distribution! - Rob La Gesse

Ben - no - Twitter's auth API is having trouble right now - my monitoring alerts are going berserk about it - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Minneapolis, MN - Ben Hedrington

RSS!! - michael sean wright

Arizona - Francine Hardaway

awww...RSS :-) - Jodi Church

RSS, welcome to the world. - Bob Wyman

RSS lives! - Mason Lee

Don;t know how Scoble had a cute baby :) I mean, Maryam is cute, but Robert? Hee - Rob La Gesse

LOL @RSS... - Karoli

That gives new meaning to RSS stream. - Steve Hammer

when he farts - do you call it an rssCloud? ;-) - Ankush Narula

welcome to the intertubes RSS! - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

@ankush LOL! - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Rocky looks so cute petting him - Francine Hardaway

Ankush, FTW! - Karoli

Careful - Rocky looks hungry! - Rob La Gesse

loved the mp3 of the sounds of RSS greeting the world - michael sean wright

Your saving it all for his great, great grandkids! - Arnie Klaus

I need to run! :) - David Recordon

Thanks man ttyl - Brett Slatkin

lots of spamming yesterday - Karoli

it was a classic phishing scam - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Good to hear about http://superfeedr.com! - Julien

2 different things - Karoli

If you were using SocialToo you wouldn't have gotten those messages :-) - Jesse Stay

they're able to insert messages into your stream when you don't follow via the Twitter API - Karoli

PSHB is not really decentralized from the client's perspective-- there will be one front end: google. - Mason Lee

Diversity is important in *any* ecosystem... - Bob Wyman

It's funny that I'm getting a fail whale on the Gillmor Gang. - Robert Scoble

it's the same with your computer network - all the same server means you are pwned by a single attack - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Steve Gillmor needs his Twitter anti-virus (SocialToo) :-) - Jesse Stay

DNS - Eric Florenzano

Gmail - Ken Sheppardson

Commonality in protocols -- diversity in servers. - Bob Wyman

oh, wait... - Ken Sheppardson

Twitter is down hard now. - Robert Scoble

Ok, really need to go now! Thanks and talk to everyone later. - David Recordon

I'm gettting 503 server error. - Robert Scoble

everyone gets nervous when we add a layer on top of the web stack... - Ankush Narula

yea, i'm getting hard errors from Twitter in my server alerts - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Ahh, it's back. - Robert Scoble

One day Twitter just won't come back. - Ken Sheppardson

i was, but it's working again for me - Jodi Church

Yeah - API's having issues too - Jesse Stay

Still 503 here - Ken Sheppardson

@ken - then, we will all sleep. - Rob La Gesse

Ken: Not after it has raise $100m - Francine Hardaway

Its google wave getting ready to go live. - Arnie Klaus

it's both - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Annie: Hah! - Ben Hedrington

The problem comes in ownership of the resource. In the decentralized web, we share the pipes in neutral fashion. But, "commercial" people tend to violate net neutrality rules. Like Twitter deciding who can and cannot read their data. That is a net neutrality failure... - Bob Wyman

Only portrayed that way by the FSF/GPL extremists - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Love the sound of Skype in the morning - Bastian

@bear: We should profit by competing on the service we provide users -- not on how much of user's data we have captured. - Bob Wyman

Bob: and what about Facebook's front door being completely locked? - Ankush Narula

@bob agree 100% - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Is he saying Dave Winer's naive? :-) - Jesse Stay

Bob: agree. Jesse: I think so. - Robert Scoble

He's saying light pinging won't work. - Cliff Gerrish

*smack* - Rob La Gesse

@Ankush I'm seriously hoping that the new hires at Facebook help steer them away from the dark side :) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

So to argue in Twitter and Facebook's defense, they're not just a neutral pass through. They're adding value to the system, and they'd argue that they shouldn't be "forced" to just let that walk out the back door. - Ken Sheppardson

I'd like to see Dave Winer's response to that - Jesse Stay

@ankush , Folk don't always agree with me. But, I believe that users should control access to their data and they should make decisions based on what is in their interest -- the people who run the services that people use should *not* be the ones deciding what access controls will be enforced. - Bob Wyman

so do you see there being an APi to Google's crawl for use in this, Bob? - Kevin Marks

Because of stampeding herds? - Mason Lee

I'm a big +1 on the fat ping - Eric Florenzano

Jesse: I'm sure you will (see the response) - Ken Sheppardson

Mike: if Facebook doesn't get its public service act together they will see themselves becoming the next MySpace. In the early adopter audience it already is. - Robert Scoble

Bob/Mike - i'm in full agreement - but when you're building a service that has zero monetization (twitter) - what else can your valuation be based on other than your core data assets? - Ankush Narula

I think Facebook is getting it together. Connect is their answer, but they're also slowly opening up search as well. - Jesse Stay

Of course they have FriendFeed now to keep the early adopters inside the Facebook tent, but there's a lot more early adopters on Twitter than here. - Robert Scoble

@robert agree completely - I had already zero'd out my profile and moved to FF - but the FF folks moving to FB made me give them more time - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Bob/Mike - as for FB - I hope so too - Ankush Narula

Of course, you are better off doing it on Rackspace :) - Rob La Gesse

Jesse: I agree with you. - Robert Scoble

Don't build services that have no legitimate path to profit. In that case, you should be building protocols whose costs can be shared by the community and then build your business by creating the best tools for using the protocol. - Bob Wyman

popping in to listen to RL Gilmor Gang stream #gillmorgang - Del_

Bob - Sounds ideal - but knowing the history of Twitter - I suspect they were much more concerned about uptime rather than the public good - Ankush Narula

robert and rob: speaking of using Rackspace, Cartus put my contract on hold while they figure out their needs - David Stratton

"Has *2* Bs"?? Doesn't it have, like 12? - Ken Sheppardson

pub sub hub bub (five bs) - Robert Scoble

activitystrea.ms is yet another endpoint that can be connected to PSHB - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

@Ankush I don't know who was thinking what. But, I do know that those who focus on "public good" typically write protocols, not walled garden closed sites. - Bob Wyman

Sidewiki is so not a wiki - Ken Sheppardson

I think it's actually "pub/sub hubbub" - I'm usually wrong though - Jesse Stay

I want Sidewiki to have Wave support - Jesse Stay

Bob - fair enough :-) - Ankush Narula

Locking a new "feature" into relying on me installing a toolbar is a GREAT way to make sure I don;t play with it. - Rob La Gesse

ooh - I hear tension in the realms of Google :-) - Jesse Stay

you would have to gather a set of wave changesets and then push that out via PSHB - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Rob: I'm sure they'll support it in Chrome too, eventually - Ken Sheppardson

It's PSHB vs. Wave - who will win? :-) - Jesse Stay

you guys are nuts :-) - Loic Le Meur

Wave *IS* XMPP - Ken Sheppardson

Loic is in the building :) - Rob La Gesse

Loic it's Celine Dion isn't it? :-) (how's it going?) - Jesse Stay

nope - Loic Le Meur

Where's my Wave invitation? - Francine Hardaway

The Wave protocol is just an extension of XMPP - Ken Sheppardson

good try though - Loic Le Meur

PSHB and Wave don't compete. They do different things. Othogonal. PSHB does *nothing* in the last-mile user interface space. - Bob Wyman

Loic: thanks for filling infor me. - Robert Scoble

dang - I'm going to figure it out one of these days - Jesse Stay

Francine: don't worry, I don't have one either. - Robert Scoble

oh robert, no thank YOU - Loic Le Meur

XMPP is also nice in that completes the last mile. - Mason Lee

I had a blast being you for 24 hours - Loic Le Meur

Seemed like a good conference watching it on my iPhone. - Robert Scoble

XMPP is great for "last mile" as well as for reasonable number of persistent connections on teh backend. - Bob Wyman

Great conversation guys! - Ben Hedrington

I LOVED Tony Robbins, I was expecting to hate him so that was a pleasant surprise, best speaker I have ever seen. Such a stage presence. amazing/ - Loic Le Meur

Great show, everyone - Rob La Gesse

great show! - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Enjoyed listening/watching - Ankush Narula

Great discussion here. Thanks Brett, et al. - Mason Lee

That was very good - thanks Steve - Jesse Stay

thank you - Hilary Talbot

/me is wondering why everyone thanks everyone - Loic Le Meur

@Loic It's because we americans are so polite! - Bob Wyman

Thanks, Loic, I was wondering that myself. - Mason Lee

Errr... That was a joke. - Bob Wyman

LOL - Loic Le Meur

social networking - Arnie Klaus

don't get me started - Loic Le Meur

Good show Steve, thank you all for making the time. - David Stratton

You rang? - John Kalucki

Hey John! When are you going to be on the Gillmor Gang? - Jesse Stay

quick - get Steve back on video - Twitter is here! - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

John is in charge of Twitter's Streaming API, FYI - Jesse Stay

I totally didn't realize John had a FriendFeed account - awesome - Jesse Stay

I skimmed most of the conversation. I didn't see any explicit questions to respond to, or that haven't been addressed on the twitter-dev list about pubhub... - John Kalucki

have you looked at PubSubHubbub John? - Kevin Marks

As far as the Streaming API rules, we'll work on them. The user TOS and API rules just went out last week. - John Kalucki

John - except that a lot of the folks who were asking don't regularly read the twitter dev list :) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Let me find the link... - John Kalucki

Heh :-) - Jesse Stay

http://groups.google.com/group... - John Kalucki

I'd just like to be able to standardize my code and not have to re-write for every new social network out there. - Jesse Stay

But we've had this conversation. :-) - Jesse Stay

how about activitystrea.ms support, John? You going to write the shim or do we have to? - Kevin Marks

Activitystrea.ms support seems unlikely. A shim would probably be seen as syndication. - John Kalucki

Overall, the direction is towards exposing more data types, more predicate types, and supporting more use cases. Format and protocol support, while making developer's lives easier, isn't as high priority as some of the proposed features we're considering. - John Kalucki

That's too bad John - hard to be the "pulse of the internet" if you're not supporting open standards - Jesse Stay

Hey JK! Welcome! How goes? - Ken Sheppardson

Hey Ken. It goes. It goes. - John Kalucki

Looks like we still have 27 viewers for a test pattern... - Cliff Gerrish

I missed this shooooooot! need regular calendared events so i can add you guys to my schedule! :) - Susan Beebe

Jeremiah Owyang

Speaking to @joelrubinson, topic? "Customers don't care what department you're in"

September 21, 2009 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

Ben Hedrington liked this

Atul Arora

Google Wave: You need to pay attention to this. - http://www.jasonkolb.com/weblog...

September 21, 2009 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

Ben Hedrington liked this

Joshua Kahn

Looking forward to whiteboard discussion with @jowyang today onsite @bestbuy

August 19, 2009 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

Ben Hedrington liked this

Leo Laporte

I'd like to reiterate my call for Facebook to open source the Friendfeed codebase (as AOL did when it bought Netscape). A federated OpenFriendfeed is the best for users - and fits Facebook's move toward an open social platform. I'll pay to run a server. Would you?

August 11, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

AJ Kohn, Carlton Hackett, Jimminy and 207 other people liked this

I agree with this fully. - Akiva

75 more comments

I can't imagine that the terms of the acquisition would permit this to happen. Oh, wait... Facebook take FriendFeed open source? Maybe in two or three years after they squeeze every bit of life out of it, ala Google/Jaiku - Ken Sheppardson

Would that mean there would be dozens of Friendfeeds all trying to get us to come to them? - Mark

I support this fully - Ryan

yes what about a free GAE - abdellah

Oh I agree. But with Facebook's record? HAHAH! Oh god, I need a mint. - ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift

I'll file this away under "Never Gonna Happen"... - Andrew Terry

Jaiku is not dead. It was bought for a reason, and yes, it will resurface soon. you just wait n see. - binmugahid

yes - andy brudtkuhl

I agree with Andrew... - Suril Amin

I don't think I'd pay, but I'd love to have it open source - Jake Anderson

Worked for AOL. We got Mozilla and they got a much improved Netscape. - Leo Laporte

Leo, I think you have a little too much "hope" on this. Maybe you're just thinking if Facebook was smart, then they'd do that. - Mark

Facebook is much smarter than you're giving them credit for. I think. - Leo Laporte

great idea Leo, i'm 'cautiously optimistic' at this point in time about the future of FriendFeed... lets hope for the best people - Chris Heath

There is no value in that to them. Why open source something that give them a competitive edge. - binmugahid

I do not agree. It destroyed netscape. let Facebook use the best features of FriendFeed in it. Keep the talent like the four ex-google founders. Open source is not the answer to everything. sometimes Closed Source is better for the users as well. Just keep the innovations coming and it will be fine - hasanahmad

They've got the Friendfeed team. That's probably what they really wanted. Getting the open source community working on the FF codebase and contributing it back to Facebook is a win for everyone. - Leo Laporte

On the other hand, I ike to see Laconica (identi.ca) getting more like ff. - Chanux

Wow did this just happen today? - bravestface

yesterday - Chris Heath

Open-sourcing Communicator may have ultimately destroyed Netscape as a brand but without that move, I suspect we'd all still be developing for IE6. Great call, Leo. - Jared Smith

Excellent idea Leo. - Arawak

I just can't stand Facebook. To many people I let in from my youth that I don;t want to see - bravestface

Yes. - .LAG liked that

You're assuming that Facebook bought the company JUST to get the developers, and not because they want to integrate many/most of the features into their service. If they want the features, they don't want a bunch of clones competing with them. - Joel Bennett

bravestface: That's not FB's fault you let them in. sheesh. - Gus

when will twitter be back up any 1 know - daveccorey

There already is an open source clone of twitter - see identi.ca and laconia or whatever it's called - Doug Holton

True. very True Gus. My own fault. Perhaps I need to setup an Alias account that encompasses what i really want - bravestface

I already run a Laconica server at http://army.twit.tv - I don't think we need another Twitter clone. We need something more like Friendfeed. Or maybe Wave will be the answer. - Leo Laporte

hay hay hay, sin duda un tema un tanto escabrozo, pero entre Facebook y Google, esto no lleva a nada bueno.. i'ts a hard theme, no doubt about that, but between facebook and google we are going to hell !!!!!! - Đoи яамoη

Or Pushbutton? - bravestface

This would be amazing. - Adam Teece

The Wave *protocal* might be a part of the answer... or just giving yourself over to whatever Google wants you to use might work (i.e. Wave, Reader, Gtalk, etc.)... but I don't really see Wave asdirect 1-for-1 FF replacement. - Ken Sheppardson

Too many systems in place - bravestface

They open sourced the Facebook code base (fbopen)... the license is very restrictive, however. FB owns all code modifications. Probably be the same license for FF. - Kurt

In know people that have replaced their email with Twitter....that just isn't right...we need one locator that many systems can reach - bravestface

Great idea Leo. Now let's see what they do, if they're listening. - Kelly Mitchell

Leo - your last comment is why I think Facebook bought Friendfeed: "We need something more like Friendfeed. Or maybe Wave will be the answer." This is going to be a product they will launch in opposition of Google Wave. It will surface Q1 of 2010 and will have some of the same features that Wave has - but be closed sourced to Facebook. - Jeff Vreeland

I see what you mean. Facebook and Google though don't really open source their web apps - Doug Holton

Facebook doesn't seem to have a good reputation with those kind of thing. Facebook promised to open their chat/IM system via XMPP. More than a year has passed since they announced this XMPP system it still did not happen. We still have to rely on screen-scraping methods to implement Facebook chat on third-party IM systems (like the 3rd party Facebook chat plugin for pidgin called pidgin-facebook). - Gideon Guillen

I would love to see friendfeed become opensource. Mostly as a developer I would love to see the code. See how friendfeed works. - mikemcmullan

An "open FriendFeed" could be Facebook's chance to get something lined up to compete with Google Wave. Without it, Google and Twitter are going to own the real-time communication space. - Derek Gathright

Completly agree! - Jamie-Lee Mclean-Davis from Nambu

Open source is the way to so that "The poeple" can do what they want or to a program. E.I. www.Openssourcemaps.com - D Lets from iPhone

Absolutely. - Ian Littman

OS FF would be awesome, but making it a federated service is an entirely different ball of wax. Just ask the Wave guys. They said during the original IO presentation that federation was one of the harder parts (though FF would be easier w/o the real time editing piece, but still). - Patrick Sullivan

OS FF - Malcolm Bastien

I think a integrated RSS/FB/FF/GW/Twitter client will be an interesting real time inflection point - Jim Posner

I totally agree Leo. I can't help but think that this deal is going to be a massive success or a massive flop - nothing in the middle! It's simple things like opening the FF source that can help make it a massive success IMHO. - Chris Cathcart

correction: Http://www.openstreetmap.org - D Lets from iPhone

I would just like to see the real-time commenting open-sourced. - patrick

wow Leo you sure know how to get a topic started - Joe Geeting

I actually was hoping Twitter would be the one to grab it up. Seems like a natural progression for Twitter to make. I just hope Facebook doesn't bury it and they actually use it. As far as open source it? Could be interesting. - Michael Bower

In a secure and closed environment it could be a powerful communication/collaboration tool for businesses. Features of a chat, but persistent. Ability to share photos & files... - Ken Bauer

definently - Ryan Peach

Right-o - Myrddin Emrys

I would love for this to happen. Federated Friendfeed servers would be quite fun and is the logical step for a great Internet service which aggregates disparate information from all over. - rob friedman

You know what, Jaiku was open sourced. And nobody uses it anymore. The fact that "it" (FB open sourcing FF) will happen or not is completely irrelevant. Because you will all be hopping on the next early adopter miracle train (read:service) anyway. So stop whining and move on. Federated this, federated that. identi.ca tried that. Again, no users. It's nice to talk the talk. Especially at times like this. You just gotta walk the darn walk afterwards. Which people usually forget to do. - Vlad Bobleanta

Whoa... you should enhance your calm. Communities are finicky things and sources like Microsoft that are poo-pooing Open Source IMHO is the real problem. Me thinks that a better source of education to dissipate the FUD floating in the global porcelain bowel instead of modern political tactics are are needed to solve real problems. - Myrddin Emrys

Leo, like this idea. - Kol Tregaskes

adoption of open standards such as OMB, which is used by laconica, would allow federation among servers - Mike Chelen

It will one hell of a start, I doubt it though... - Dobromir Hadzhiev

It would be a good thing, but not sure it it will ever happen - Thomas Lee

I support this as well. - Carlos Ayala

Now this is something I would fly out to support at the launch... - Johnny

Another reason why Leo kicks ass - Mo Kargas

If FriendFeed went open source identi.ca / lamonica would be dealt a serious blow. FriendFeed could become even more powerful if the people could tinker with the code and add many features that remain missing, or strengthen features that currently are weak. It will be interesting to se how FB utilizes their newest acquisition... - Randy Shapiro

FYI, there's already an open source alternative: http://www.fftogo.com/e... - Marcos Marado from fftogo

absolutley ;) - Kenneth Reitz

i would pay - cheapsuits

ive all ready got a amp for 5 bucks 4 twitter that was suspsose to help twitter run better guess what it dont - daveccorey

no definitely not. it would shift everything to Chinese government... Damn, millions would have their rest life in prisons. - xia

http://kennethreitz.com/blog... - Kenneth Reitz

Any chance we'll see more code? - Ken Sheppardson

i'm willing to wait to see what F8 brings... have you seen Jesse Stay's speculative post Ken? - Chris Heath

Robert Scoble

RT @TechCrunch Facebook Acquires FriendFeed http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... (h/t @themediaisdying)

August 10, 2009 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

Ivo Mortani, Jannifer @wordsforliving, Jeff P. Henderson and 15 other people liked this

what happens now? - Ahmet Soyata

7 more comments

Say it ain't so!!!! - Robert Burgin

coongrats-- its a game changer for twitter if you ask me - cheapsuits

i seriously hope. this is bullshit. - Edgar Rodríguez

So, is this beginning of the end of Friendfeed? Or the end of the beginning? :) - Dilip Dand

I hope this is not true! FB will slow down or even kill FF's innovation :( - Pavlo Zahozhenko

It was bound to go down. Like we used to say on the block shootin' dice "Big Bank Take Little Bank" - professor daddyo

I can't believe I beat you by 4 minutes in breaking this news, Robert ;-) - Bora Zivkovic

Here is the official confirmation from FF: http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009... - Manu Ullas

George Dearing

Engadget on Google Wave "a message board in a constant state of self-editing flux..a collaborative text editor on steroids" http://www.engadget.com/2009...

August 7, 2009 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

Ben Hedrington and Larry Hawes liked this

Robert Scoble

Is a Twitter retweet or a Facebook/FriendFeed "like" better. My answer my surprise you:

August 3, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

Iván Abrego, Mitchell Tsai, Pablo Melchor and 56 other people liked this

The retweet is better. Why? - Robert Scoble

78 more comments

1. The retweet shows up as a top level item here in FriendFeed. Which gets you more branding. - Robert Scoble

Yes, but your tweet got me to FriendFeed for the first time in months. So now I'm totally confused. - Jennifer Leggio

Facebooks like system is pointless. - Simon Wicks

2. A retweet usually gets retweeted, a lot. I retweeted a guy this morning saying that Eric Schmidt had resigned from Apple's board. That got retweeted a lot. - Robert Scoble

Likes, just "bump" content, while a retweet duplicates the content and potentially gets shared several times. - Rob Diana

I like retweet better. But if facebook had a dislike button, I would be equally happy! - Dakota O'Neill

like is only promoting to shared friends where are retweet is promoting to everyone. No? - Edwin Khodabakchian

3. A retweet gets you credit, while "likes" just get you buried and no one is sure why they got lots of engagement. - Robert Scoble

The retweet also directly acknowledges the original author, building relationship. FF Likes on Twitter have no such attribution. - Peter Kelley

Johnny: A retweet will get more conversation going and get you branded more than clicking like will. - Robert Scoble

That said, I love likes. You can check my likes out at http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... -- that's something that's hard to do with a retweet. I've done 21,000 likes so far. I don't know of a way to count how many retweets I've done. - Robert Scoble

I think that you're right, Robert. The Twitter retweet is better because there's some action behind it. In my opinion, the Facebook "like" feature really doesn't do much. It's more of a placebo than anything. Facebook's like is just a "slap on the wrist" letting the author know that it's "approved" by other people who come to the site. There's no reward for getting the most "likes" - it's like Digg but more retarded and something you wish you could euthanize already. - Kenneth

A like is just FB's way of trying to copy twitter and facebook, but I guess google reader has the same thing now - Billy Fung

Also, here, likes can be used to search. You can tell FriendFeed's search engine "show me all items about Google that Scoble has liked." - Robert Scoble

I think likes are great, but FriendFeed should also work on its presentation of reshares. I'd extend the datamodel to support an optional "originating item" for each item. The text (via: [url]) looks a bit messy. - Meryn Stol

your #1 reason for why RT is better than something is because it ends up in friendfeed??? not much of an incentive for the ~44 million twitter users really, is it? - Jeremy Toeman

With a retweet, it can be shared with multiple friends across MULTIPLE networks - my tweets can be posted onto Twitter, FriendFeed and even Facebook. Where does the Facebook "like" come into play? No where! Tweet away! - Kenneth

Exactly my thoughts too Meryn. Twitter should implement that as well. The original source gets lost after a couple of RTs. - Sumanth Kolar

Kenneth: you can send your likes on FF to Twitter, I do - Peter Kelley

Too much noise on Facebook, I still keep RTs in high regard. - Amy Chorew

Jeremy: a large percentage of my Facebook friends are sending their Tweets over there. Facebook has a similar liking system. I guarantee you that there's more than 44 million on Facebook (last number I heard was 250 million). And I'm getting WAY MORE engagement here on FriendFeed than I am on Twitter. - Robert Scoble

Twitter's reach is the key -- added to FriendFeed's real-time conversation, it's a powerful combo. Facebook is still too much of a walled garden. - Don Tamihere

Peter: good point. I think I was dragging on Facebook's "like" and not FF. Now if you want to compare FriendFeed's likes with Facebook's...that's another can of worms I don't wanna go into. - Kenneth

The database guy in me (my left elbow) is screaming that re-tweets duplicate data in a way that isn't easy to track. The social effects are nice, but can't this be replicated in a way that's a lot cleaner and more useful? - Ryan Massie

but ya said friendfeed, not facebook. :) - Jeremy Toeman

Jeremy: read the headline again. I specifically mentioned Facebook. And, anyway, we're all here on FriendFeed. How did THAT happen? - Robert Scoble

well i came here because i wanted to see what you were up to and since you don't blog anymore... ;) - Jeremy Toeman

Jeremy: heh, why blog when I can have engagement with you here? - Robert Scoble

RT as it feels like more of a commitment to the content rather than a passive vote - Daniel W. Rasmus

because you need to keep up your overall internet presence. doing it here is not in your best interests. IMHO that is. :) - Jeremy Toeman

On a side note: currently Google Reader "likes" are worthless as you can´t even subscribe to someone else´s like-stream. It´s even hard to find a way to see your own like-stream in Google Reader (although there /are/ at least 4 ways...) - peter huesken

Yeah, duh, likes aren't viral! - James Watters

Re-Tweets have this very natural word-of-mouth feel, but I'm concerned that you loose metadata by doing it the way twitter does. Instead of taking the firehose data to re-assemble this metadata after the fact, shouldn't the platform build the metadata as part of the process? I'm not saying that the word-of-mouth feel should go away by any means, but how accurate are the re-tweet counts that I have been seeing on sites recently? - Ryan Massie

James: They're more viral on FriendFeed due to the friend-of-a-friend views than they are on Facebook. But you're right, it's nothing like twitter. - Ryan Massie

Also Re-Tweeting has another problem: How do you retweet a tweet of more than 133 chars without paraphrasing at least part of it? - peter huesken

FriendFeed Likes are much more elegant than a retweet - the Grey Poupon of SM. :) - Nick in Manila

Why does one have to be "better" than the other? They are two different apps for sharing thoughts about content. The RT works well on Twitter, you just RT anything you like (and feel other might find interesting). When you like someone's content on FB, you give it a vote and everyone who is a friend can see it. If you want to add a comment you comment. If you want to share it, you use the share function. Now you can share tweets RTs on Facebook anyway, I'm not sure why it even matters which is better. - nicky jameson

A retweet takes more time to do and shows more interest. - Randy Allen Bishop

This is wrong. A retweet is copying someone's work and trying to drive traffic towards yourself using it. A like and/or a comment is much better as you are acknowledging the work of the author. Retweeting is parasitic. Liking is symbiotic. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

Alex: that's interesting. As a content owner I'd rather you retweet, though. Why? Gets my ideas greater distribution. - Robert Scoble

What Randy said. A "like" means different things to different people. To me it might mean, "the title of this sounds good, the topic interests me, but I don't have time to read it." I would "Like" something like that, but I would *never* retweet something without visiting the link first and at least scanning it, preferably reading the whole thing. Also, Alex, I don't think a retweet is an attempt to drive traffic towards yourself. How do you figure? - Laura Norvig

Because when people see the retweet they are seeing what you wrote. It's the same as if I copied a blog post from Robert and put it on my blog with attribution to him. I'm doing this to get people to read my blog, I'm not doing it to help him. If I really wanted to help him, I would link to his blog post and write something about why I agree or disagree with that. A retweet is parasitic... more... - Scoble, Alex Scoble

Alex: first of all, nothing you write in 140 characters is going to have much value, and certainly won't be enough value to charge for it. Second of all, if you RT: properly you also link to the source person or URL. Third of all, it's nothing even close to copying an entire blog post, but that really is sweet that you think Tweeting is blogging. They both have the same attributes, I... more... - Robert Scoble

RT's on Twitter are more manual and take a little more engagement then Like unless you are using SW to manage your tweets - RT duplicates... - Robert Freeze

Alex, your logic is twisted, no? RT is intended to share with your followers something someone else said or found, who they might not already be following. If traffic is driving anywhere it's to them; those reading your RT are already following you. Your point also assumes everyone's playing the numbers game. - Jim Barry

@Scobleizer It looks like you RT % is 1.85, of total tweets. Data from: http://tweetstats.com/graphs... - David Damore

First off, I don't write in 140 characters, because I do all my posting from friendfeed. 140 character limit is whack, but that's another argument. Second, nothing about Twitter really builds participation. It's all about islands versus on friendfeed, which is why reposting (I hate the "tweet" non-word) is even necessary. The fact that it's necessary is a symptom of the problems of the... more... - Scoble, Alex Scoble

They serve different purposes. FB/FF like is just a quick shared bookmark. Twitter has a Favorite option that's similar, but it's geared toward recall more so than sharing/recommending. Retweet is not even a built-in Twitter feature, but many Twitter apps have the feature and people use it to share/recommend other people's tweets. - Lawrence Liu from twhirl

Alex: if you visit my blog you'll notice that my like feed isn't showing up in the FriendFeed widget there, while my retweets are. That's a huge problem and one I don't know how to solve. - Robert Scoble

How about the share option in FF, then change the FWD: to RT? - Lee

I will like things here when I don't want to comment, but I hadn't thought of it as a proxy for RT. Now you have me thinking about forwarding my likes here twitter. - dthree

You could combine the feeds using Yahoo Pipes. It's a bit messy, but here's my combined posts, comments, and likes: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes... - Ryan Massie

Isn't this just like a Scobelizer chat room? - Peter Mullen

I think I'm going to take the core of your question Robert and post it to my Facebook non-social media friends and see if they can even parse the question. I'd expect some funny "uh...what?" responses. - Elliott Ng

the like SHOULD be much better. this is a voting system. FF needs to help you filter content this way however. retweets just confuse things even more and create even more noise. FF should have default searches that are all your friends with 2+ likes...this is your personal best of the day. if FF does not make use of these advantages, then it will continue to muddle about. - lew

Here's why Robert and I disagree. He sees these spaces as primarily a marketing tool for building a brand and getting his media out to eyeballs. Reposts work great for that because it's like a ball thrown in to a room of mousetraps. I mostly want to have conversations and am here for fun. Reposts suck for that because they fragment conversations. I don't like that...AT all. :) That's why both services can coexist. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

++ Alex... services like this don't succeed because they are good marketing platforms, they succeed because regular people like to use them. - Tinfoil 2.0

as soon as we have threaded conversations on twitter, i suspect you will hate conversation being distributed on duplicates (retweets). My vote is for likes on ff. - Sajida Hina Khan

when i like something it gets tweeted... so it's like a retweet for friendfeed content... it doesn't come back over here as my own, but that's okay with me - Chris Heath

The ReTweet is -sometimes- better as it keeps track of the last RTers. - Thierry R. Andriamirado

Once again, FriendFeed and Twitter are complementary: it's better when a FF 'like' is ReTweeted again and again. Facebook's like.. huh.. it's.. different (?) - Thierry R. Andriamirado

Retweeting on twitter is equlivent to "share" on friendfeed. Retweet and like are uncomparable, in the same way that twitter's favorite and ff's like are uncomparable. - Andy Bakun from Android

the spammers are here - how do we report the guy above? - Aaman (Clone of FF)

Taken care of - boom! Like That! - Aaman (Clone of FF)

Robert, I think you're completely wrong. FriendFeed ranking is poo. A retweet is mostly poo --- depends on the context of your Twitter experience, and your POV. Is your POV "Is it better to BE retweeted? Or liked as a status update on FaceBook" ? or "Is it better to retweet someone ELSE'S Tweet or to Like someone else's FaceBook update?" I'd argue in both cases, the retweet sucks.... more... - Gib

Gib: where do you get the poo from? Sigh. - Robert Scoble

Robert: OMG! you're like the fasted gun in the west! By poo I mean, as a person without your scaling issues, if someone Retweets any random Tweet of mine, I'm like, "huh? THAT'S what you want to repeat to your following?" For mortals, viral stuff isn't everyday occurrence. On the other hand, as a mortal, on FaceBook, when a few people like a photo or update or comment, my other friends... more... - Gib

I agree with Andy that a Twitter retweet is more like a FF share than a like. "Retweet", in my opinion, is simply Twitter-speak for "share". - Dennis Jernberg

On the moment itself an RT is better, but a 'like' has a longer life, since it can be used in FF search queries. - nooble

I think we can expect Google Reader and Facebook, among others, to emulate FriendFeed's useful "Like" system in more ways, including likes in feeds, as a search filter, etc. SOON. - Ryan Sholin

+Alex. I agree much more with his sentiments than Robert's; likes are a much better way of showing appreciation for a post. 1. I don't care about building my brand. 2. Why wouldn't likes propagate just as well as RTs? They both show up in my FF stream. 3. See 1. Don't worry, Robert will come around eventually, just like he did with following people on Twitter. - Niklas Morberg

I guess I'm against the grain on the RT versus Like feature. I don't hate RT but I think they can become Spam noise in some ways. If you follow several people who follow the same people, you get an endless flow of the same tweet for a while with no extra value. Whereas a "Like" (in FriendFeed) bumps the conversation back into many peoples focus. In both FF and FB, the "like" also tags it to your attention when future comments are made. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

If you use Feedly in Conjunction with Retweets and Tweets you can kind of follow your Karma and get feedback on how they are dynamic and changing - Robert Higgins

RTs are better so I can continue to play with extracting valuable trends from them on my little experiment http://www.retweetradar.com! - Ben Hedrington

We all know Twitter is the front-end & FriendFeed is the back-end ;) Hype builds quicker on Twitter, FriendFeed hosts the discussion. - CannonGod

You can add ur own opinion on a RT if space permits. with ff its commenting and liking which are 2 different things. U can comment and not 'like' the post. - Freddie Benjamin

Very good point Freddie but that usually gives you no room when you include the "RT @username" or the new person alters the original tweet (I hate this). RT is to Like as @ reply is to commenting. Both serve close to the same purpose but work very different. FF's direction keeps everything tighter coupled while Twitter is very loosely coupled in the approach. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

This one is worth a retweet in itself: That said, I love likes. You can check my likes out at http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... -- that's something that's hard to do with a retweet. I've done 21,000 likes so far. I don't know of a way to count how many retweets I've done. - Robert Scoble - Riaz Kanani

Facebook is closed, essentially, as I will always only ever see a "like" from either someone who is already my friend or a friend of a friend. Twitter is open, in that when someone I'm following retweets (from either someone they're following --- a 1st gen RT --- or a 2nd/3rd gen RT of someone they're following is also following or exposed to...whew!...) well, then I am exposed to a... more... - Thom Kennon

George Dearing

Open data is the future of web discovery [VentureBeat] {good read on real-time approaches and data discovery thru open APIs} - http://digital.venturebeat.com/2009...

July 31, 2009 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

Mahesh CR and Ben Hedrington liked this

Sarah Perez

Apple's fussyness shows the real platform - the web - http://epeus.blogspot.com/2009...

July 29, 2009 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

kang and Ben Hedrington liked this

Robert Scoble

Yet another band says thank you for pirating our song - http://www.inquisitr.com/30803...

July 28, 2009 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

Wizetux, stanjourdan, Ben Hedrington and 2 other people liked this

Story of the music industry, really... - wiredgnome

Louis Gray

PubSubHubbub + Wordpress + Feedburner + FriendFeed = Realtime Awesomeness - Thoughts on social media, the web and technology - jungleG - http://jungleg.com/2009...

July 27, 2009 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

Daniel W. Crompton, Mike Schmidt, Craig Shipp and 11 other people liked this

@Louis - what I am missing here? He justs points everything to Feedburner and turns on Pingshot?? - Dave Hodson

4 more comments

Holden, Jungleg is a great blog. Dave, if you are a FeedBurner user, turn on Pingshot, which notifies many services at once and supports Pubsubhubbub. I have this enabled as well. - Louis Gray

@Jorge - exactly my point, as in, "hey this is freaking easy"! - Dave Hodson

My latest post took 2 minutes to show up... pubsubhub still has a ways to go, but it's a good start - Bwana ☠

Bwana: What's the burned feed url? I can try to help debug from the FeedBurner Hub's viewpoint. Otherwise, be sure to check your Apache logs. The WordPress cronjob can be very slow sometimes, taking quite a while before it actually sends the pings. - Brett Slatkin

I'll check my cron - Bwana ☠

David Armano

Doing some visual thinking for my next post etc. http://twitpic.com/btbpv

July 27, 2009 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

Roberto Bonini and Ben Hedrington liked this

Visual what? - Smeerch

Ryan Block

RT @gdgt: Bay Area: gdgt launch party / meetup on August 4th! Show off your have-list and check out tons of new gear: http://features.gdgt.com/2009...

July 24, 2009 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

Ben Hedrington, Jordan Patterson and Robert Scoble liked this

Jeremiah Owyang

@acfou this is because many aggregators are Gen 1 (collect all) to evolve they must 2) Kill redundancies 3) Prioritize signals

July 13, 2009 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

Hutch Carpenter and Ben Hedrington liked this

Mike Fruchter

Posterous Vision, Strategy, and Growth - http://getanewbrowser.com/2009...

July 10, 2009 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

Ben Hedrington and Madhav Tripathi liked this

Joshua-Michele Ross

RT @ericries: RT @mcuban "U are not the customer of companies like Google or Facebook. U are the product. Advertisers are the customers."

July 6, 2009 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

Ben Hedrington, mjc and George Dearing liked this

George Dearing

Best Buy Uses Twitter to Create Sales, Service Team [via @bwdumars] #twelpforce - http://www.bloomberg.com/apps...

July 6, 2009 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

Ben Hedrington liked this

Paul Buchheit

VC Vinod Khosla: Vision is 'bumbling' around - http://vator.tv/news...

July 1, 2009 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

Robert Felty, Clare Dibble, Mustafa K. Isik and 12 other people liked this

"In 1986, Khosla was asked about his vision for Sun Microsystems. He responded by suggesting that having vision is as much as about being lucky. "The best thing to do to have vision is to pray to Lady Luck because frankly, you never know vision when you see it. And, I still don't really believe in vision." "I still don’t believe in vision. I believe in bumbling around long enough to not give up on things. Eventually, when success comes your way because you've failed in every possible way, and the only way that’s left is the one successful way. And, always for those of you who are entrepreneurs, it seems to come last. "This bumbling around is to me what vision is about. It’s the best way to be a visionary. You just keep failing enough, and not giving up."" - Paul Buchheit from Bookmarklet

It's a short video, but the point is worth remembering. The people on news.yc are missing out (no votes!): http://news.ycombinator.com/item... - Paul Buchheit

+1. Here a blog post from Marc Andreessen around the 4 types of luck: http://blog.pmarca.com/2007... you have to bumble until you find the market fit - Edwin Khodabakchian

George Dearing

Saw @Boxee is picking up speed [via @fredwilson] http://www.avc.com/a_vc...

June 24, 2009 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

Ben Hedrington liked this

andy brudtkuhl to andy's feed, Twitter Advertising

How to use Twitter for local advertising - http://www.examiner.com/x-13126...

June 23, 2009 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

Wes Davis, Gil Francisco III, Daniel Rowley and 8 other people liked this

We see Twitter positioning itself as a local advertising platform: It's simple to use, requires little time commitment to Tweet, and free. Here's a guide for local merchants on how to use Twitter to reach their local audience: - andy brudtkuhl from Bookmarklet

8 more comments

For Services: Tweet schedule openings for the day. Offer daily special and coupons. - andy brudtkuhl

For Health Services: Create a professional profile befitting your standing in the community. Discuss the tools and trends of your practice. Demystify. - andy brudtkuhl

Professional Services: Twitter should be used to connect with the community for branding purposes. Become a "business calendar"; accountants can broadcast changes in tax codes and alert important filing dates. - andy brudtkuhl

Transaction based services: The focus should be on providing information and data relevant and interesting to, say a prospective home buyer, by talking about communities or market conditions. Interacting like a "real" person is paramount to establishing a welcome identity as a hub, not a spammer, in the community. - andy brudtkuhl

Arts and Entertainment: Tweet schedule of events and shows, offer quizzes, advertise discounted tickets, create contests - give away two free tickets to a local follower - andy brudtkuhl

Restaraunts, Vendors: Tweet the day's lunch menu @ 11am, and dinner menu @ 1 pm, 4pm. Link to recipes. Offer coupon code. - andy brudtkuhl

Retail: Advertise your deals of the day, weekend sales, etc. - andy brudtkuhl

What else has everybody seen working? - andy brudtkuhl

Some local spots here in Des Moines host Tweetups - andy brudtkuhl

Jeff Pulver

We are only limited by the things we think we can't do.

June 23, 2009 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

kuchin, Ben Hedrington and Cathryn Hrudicka liked this

Jeremiah Owyang

Social Business Design - http://www.flickr.com/photos...

June 23, 2009 from Flickr favorites - Comment - Like - Share

Yuce Zerey, Ben Hedrington and maxilprof liked this

Bwana ☠

Amazon releases Kindle source code - http://www.amazon.com/gp...

June 16, 2009 from Bwana's shared items in... - Comment - Like - Share

Christian Burns , EricaJoy and Ben Hedrington liked this

Comments - Bwana ☠

Hutch Carpenter

What is the magic number where the size of a group outstrips its ability to stay on top of everyone's ideas? 25? 50? 100? #innovation

June 15, 2009 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

Ben Hedrington liked this

With the proper processes and tools, can't we funnel #innovation ideas from thousands? We have a contest that looks to do just that. - Stuart Miniman

Yes, tools definitely become needed at some point. I was thinking about the traditional way companies find ideas: catch-as-catch-can. - Hutch Carpenter

Ben Hedrington › Likes