joey, one of the many, many reasons the primary one being the fact that you got to meet D before I did. What adds insult to injury is JONATHAN got to meet D before I did.
- Akiva Moskovitz
But our awesome powers combined are luring him to Seattle. Someone had to be an in-person ambassador!
- joey
Akiva, I totally envision are initial meet-up taking place at Ezell's. Just sayin', yo.
- Derrick
D, I can't bring myself to go there without you.
- Akiva Moskovitz
SuezanneC - What's one more reason to have a PC?
- Joel
Using it for the last hour - really enjoy the ultrasmooth scrolling. www.flickriver.com scrolls like butter. BUT when trying to post this comment, it failed. Converted back to FF to post this.
- Mark Interrante
Thanks for this Robert. Been waiting a while. Running it now.
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
Perhaps post your favourite theme and whether you like or dislike the themes in the new *official* FF-Themes group here: http://ff.im/4DluG :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Peter, there should be an image inthe lower right corner. What browser/OS are you using? Thanks!
- Kevin Fox
@Kevin Fox: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/20070725 Firefox/2.0.0.6
- Peter
I'm with Gabe: after considering BlueWave, I went with Helvetica, everything else is just girly. I might just stick with my 'stylish' hacks.
- Joel Bennett
Yea, flowers and stuff are annoying. Helvetica version should be improved for better spacing.
- Burcu Dogan
Thanks, Kol, that's what I was going to ask - if themes conflict with scripts. Sounds like it's cool - heading off to choose one now. I have one stylish userrstyle script and two greasemonkey scripts applied to friendfeed. We'll see if they can all play nice.
- Laura Norvig
works great - I'm trying helvetica now. It's super clean because I have avatars removed. Me likey.
- Laura Norvig
cool... when is that nasty orange "ParisLemon" theme comin? :P
- Susan Beebe
This'll make it prettier when I'm using Chrome anyway. :) I think I'll stick with the Stylish scripts and hacks on Firefox, though - I like the typography modifications they provide. When user-generated themes come in, will they be able to modify the typography/spacing, or just the background and colors? Thanks for the options, guys!
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
It's good that ugliness is no more reason #1 to stop connecting. Next I would like to have is d&d to sort out friends in categories
- Michele Costabile
I like the Helvetica, who created it?
- Juvenn Woo
Sorry, but were there no "real" designers to push out some mindblowing themes? It´s just a change of color and background?
- Hans Kainz
Like those themes. Would be nice though, if they also show up if someone visits my page. Or does it?
- Sven
When I click your name, Sven, I get the bamboo theme, which is what I chose. If you have chosen a different theme from that, we know it just remembers yours. It seems to work differently from twitter.
- Rick Cogley
Helvetica all the way! I feel like the nytimes.com
- Liviu Barbat
@Rick: Thanks. I get the idea. The twitter concept would be nice though. Like personalized version of the FF page. Now, if there were archive links now.....
- Sven
interesting. I decided to give FF a 2nd try (I signed up for it when it first came out) not because of the celebrity flood to twitter but I wanted a place for *discussion* that wasn't limited to 140 characters.
- Violet Mae Lim
I still rarely use FF compared to Twitter as I'm often using Twitter from a device. That said, I love how my digital life aggregates into a single place, along with everyone else. The key will be search. Tracking "popular" on search topics on FF should be very interesting.
- Geoff Wilson
it's all about the meta data. Twitter will never be as valuable as FriendFeed for that very reason.
- Steffan Antonas
The "cool kids" might be moving, but I doubt that the cool kids can make FriendFeed a success (that is, compared to Twitter. a network as diverse as Twitter). Twitter was the first in its kind. Many people consider it "good enough".
- Meryn Stol
Because you aren't cool anymore and the REALLY cool kids (re celebrities) are on Twitter.
- Laurent Courtines
Agree. FriendFeed is significantly more useful for sharing real information. No comparison.
- Hamilton Wallace
Twitter on Oprah was the best thing for FriendFeed. An eureka moment as she jumped into the Twitter stream...
- zeroinfluencer
I've been on FriendFeed since March 2008 and I love it!!! :)
- Susan Beebe
Twitter and FriendFeed are not the same. Although the cool kids are already here ;)
- Nicholas James
The REALLY cool kids have identi.ca accounts and use it to talk about coding rather than congratulating each other over their new media gasbaggery. Just sayin'.
- Tom Morris
friendfeed has way better noise reduction filters than twitter atm
- Phil Smirnov
I dont know about cool kids, or I dont care if I am one, but I just did it!
- Lakshman Prasad
Steve must be prescient - I think it was last summer when he kept saying FriendFeed was actually more useful than Twitter, which is why I have both!
- Joan Vinall-Cox
michelle, of course you are. you have a pug. :)
- Karoli
It always comes down to Pugs, doesn't it. Good thing we know the truth.
- michelle lamar
It's basically impossible to converse with any manner of context on Twitter. It's maybe a one- or two-blurt attention span. Perfect for those with ADD. I like FF much better.
- Rick Cogley
And, I have a Golden Retriever, so I have no need for a pug. (they're cute, though!)
- Rick Cogley
To people who say I should follow fewer people: if I can have a conversation with one person in a stadium filled with tens of thousands, I should be able to do the same thing on a webservice where I follow only 1300. Not to mention using filters implies that I know today the interesting and compelling content that others will post tomorrow. Again, just how I use the service. Others may use it differently.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
We should be ab le to filter on the fly... that would help.
- Wolfman-K
Following fewer people reduces the usefulness of the service. Filters might be a good way of handling things, but how do I know they aren't filtering out things that I'd actually want to see?
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
This is one of the things that's so appealing about the new FF: with filters, I can see in real-time the stuff I *want* to know about as soon as it happens, and peruse the rest as I feel like it.
- Ryan Waldron
Real life.. I see that phrase often in games like WoW and RoM. I prefer the virtual version :)
- Michele
I'm not sure I appreciate the added value of the beta design, particularly in light of the additional management and time it's going to take me to get it right. The current design has flaws (such as content updating out from underneath you when visiting a link) that are further amplified in the new design. There must be a way to address the update and management issues.
- Loren Heiny
The new friendfeed is like talking on a party - to all people at the same time. I feel like a social juggler.
- Dan van Moll
Loren: The link issue could be solved by Paul & co. stealing the Diggbar from under Kevin Rose's nose.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Perhaps they should add settings like Twitterfall has...
- Cris McRae
I am still learning how to use it myself, but I training myself
- Ike
I've said it elsewhere, the more people you follow, the more of a need there is for filtering. It's not a preference, it's essential. It's true in Twitter, it's true in Friendfeed, it's true in email, it's true in Facebook. If you refuse to use the tools they have given you to manage the noise, then you have to deal with the it's design. That's your choice.
- Bwana ☠
I'm pretty sure I don't have 300—let alone 3—people in real life constantly telling me every single thing they do and create in real time. ;) They send me an e-mail, a tweet, or I catch up on their activity in my Flickr contacts list on my own time. This is a very different and interesting shift for social media.
- David Chartier
Mine's not moving fast at all. I suppose I wasn't using it to it's full capacity before... :-\
- David Wynn
Bwana: Filtering isn't the panacea you're making it out to be. There's a reason I follow the people and topics I do, and if I filter them out just to save some peace of mind, I might as well just unfollow them entirely.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Looking for a good filter tutorial link. Anyone?
- Trevor Childs
Subscribe to Bwana he has some good filter examples.
- Jared B. Luther
Yet another person who tells me that, in order to use FF, I need to change my behavior.
- Mistletoe Glen
No way I'm following fewer people. The more I follow, the more fun I have here. So far, not too fast for me. We'll see tonight when it hits prime time.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Well, I still have lists and I can pause the updates, so I can use it however I like. It's definitely fun! I'll be using Friendfeed more, I'd wager, with the new interface. I actually feel less inundated, since I have nifty filtering. I'll be able to follow a lot more people!
- jojo, adventurer
Jason Goldberg: "The system needs to be smart enough to know." Forget lists and filters. Smart automated recommender systems are the future of social media. Why isn't Friendfeed leading the way?
- Sean McBride
Since when is it the user's fault when the user interface doesn't work as expected?
- Albert Willis
To people who say you should filter more for getting the real life: they should get out of their geek-holes and understand what it is to make choices for real life persons. :p
- Ton Zijp
I think the beta is awesome. Looks great on my iPhone in landscape mode.
- Steve Sill
i don't agree with the premise that because real time = real life folks should be able to keep up with their interests by scaling down their activity or number of people they happen to follow on a site like this. that's a nice simple thing to write, but it's certainly not practical if you're looking to interact with people on friendfeed. it's sites like these that afford all kinds of info to be exchanged among all kinds of people -- much more than in "real life." if the point of exchanging information lies
- Cee Bee
How about having less followers? I don't understand this kind of maths really. If everyone starts following less people just to use a "tool", your own voice won't be noticed. I'll follow everyone I think he/she could bring more knowledge/fun to me and it'll be up to the tool to satisfy my needs, not the opposite
- directeur
with a few people what's the point of being on a site like ff?
- Cee Bee
Indeed, _very_ aggressive "hide" and "unsubscribe" are at least turning FF's "river of shit" UI a bit more palatable.
- Dossy Shiobara
Don't make ME fix your problems. If it's too fast, it's too fast, and FF will have to live with the consequences.
- Mistletoe Glen
In real-life, I don't have 1000 friends. And Leo, we're not friends in RL, right?
- AJ Batac
I asked yesterday how anyone actually kept up with hundreds of people on twitter. Never got a response, so I figure people actually don't.
- Barry Biddlecomb
from twhirl
People mostly use Twitter as a bullhorn; I doubt that many feeds are being read very carefully.
- Sean McBride
or just hit pause. it's not that big of a deal. you just hit refresh like you always have.
- Nathan Chase
Agree with Tina. Filtering for topics implies a preset agenda of interests which makes it much less interesting. And if real life was so great more people would live there :-)
- Todd Hoff
I didn't even know there are filters. They could make it easier to notice and use like put a filter button there on the page. Or explain that you can do that and how to do it.
- Nathan Mylott
It's not a matter of telling you HOW to use something, it's a matter of telling what's available to help you DEAL with data overload. Lists and Filters are there to help consume the data in a manner which is pleasurable. It's not the only way to use FF, but it's something to ADD to your existing way of using the tool to make it better. I realize not everyone uses the tool like I do, but the features I talk about are there to HELP you manage the madness.
- Bwana ☠
For example, not everyone uses labels in Gmail to manage their emails. But I've recommended some people use labels to organize the information and it has helped them. For others, it hasn't. The point remains, that labels are there to help with that and they are worth a try to see if it works. It's part of the toolset. Same is true with Lists and Filters on FF. They are there to help you. Give them a try. If they don't work, fine. Plenty of people have found they do work and that's why we say use it
- Bwana ☠
Me, I have an "Everything" list so I can see all my followers... but sometimes, I need a break and I move to my other lists or fiilters to munch on those. I spend the most time in the Everything list though. My home feed consists of individuals who I have liked or commented on more than 50 or 60 times..
- Bwana ☠
I'm not sure following fewer is the best idea. The pause button puts the whole site back into static mode, i.e. what the old FF is. So just hit that. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
It's already gotten better, since yesterdays hype slowly went down. I'm quite happy with the (number of) followers now... It's manageable.
- Holger Eilhard
Personally I can not see what all the hoopla is about. May be due to not following a hunndred people
- Greg
I just started using it, and I love it so far.. I can now see what Leo and Steve were so excited about.
- BASEnet
Liberal use of the "Hide" link works wonders to keep things clean. Also, adding ?num=100 to the end of the beta URL keeps things on the first page (thx Stupid Blogger/FFer (aka Tina)!)
- Aaron Fowler
...And... Leo haven't commented here after 23 hours. Busy man. Busy man.
- AJ Batac
I like how powerful the filtering is.
- David Delony
just wish there was some type of sms capacity, like twitter
- Steve Austin
Well Said Leo: "Real-Time = Real-Life" and I can't wait for Facebook and Twitter to get real!
- Garin Kilpatrick
@Leo: real life is throwing up on your shoes, too. don't want that.
- MikeAmundsen
What flavor does Steve like? [edit] Seriously, I think it would be interesting. Sort of like asking what your favorite animal is, I think it might reveal something.
- AJ Kohn
You know you are going to make AAPL stock rocket in the morning if you keep this up?
- Dominic Jones
Yeah, I saw him last month eating spicy Indian food and swiping through his black iPhone. He looked perfectly fine.
- Mason Lee
Are you stalking him or is this a 'walk a mile in his shoes' sort of thing?
- Admiral Anika
I'm watching the after-hours trading in AAPL to see if this great breaking news has any impact. Still four minutes left.... Will update :-)
- Dominic Jones
Ciaonenrico: I had a latte there too. The yogurt is the best in Northern California.
- Robert Scoble
So, he's still alive? ;) BTW, what is THE interview you wish to make in 2009?
- Konstantin
But clearly, he is not well... isn't it about time they say SOMETHING? :\
- Mona Nomura
Then what? Sell your stock? If Apple's value is so wrapped around one person isn't that a clear risk already?
- Hayes Haugen
Konstantin: 1. Barack Obama. 2. Steve Jobs. 3. Steve Ballmer. 4. Mark Zuckerberg. 5. Bret Taylor. 6. Evan Williams. 7. Jonathan Ives. 8. Vic Gundotra. 9. Barack's CTO. 10. A bunch of geeks who I don't know but who are changing the world.
- Robert Scoble
It has nothing to do with stock, it's handling smooth transitions IF there is something wrong so we (consumers) have confidence in them (Apple).
- Mona Nomura
Mona: we're all dying. I know a lot of people who have died that were very healthy. Or seemed to be. Marc Orchant anyone? I don't know that Steve isn't well. Having cancer can cause you to live healthy and lose weight. But, I already assume the dude will die. So will I. Until he's ready to talk I have to assume he's fine. Obviously he's not bedridden if he's coming into yogurt stores.
- Robert Scoble
Red Mango or Fraiche? I prefer Red Mango on University.
- Randy Ksar
from twhirl
Randy: I'm partial to Fraiche. Maybe we need a taste-off? :-)
- Robert Scoble
We're all speculating and won't know for sure until Steve Jobs either steps down or retires. Either which way, this is really bad on Apple's part because they are (to me) encouraging rumors and speculation, irresponsible journalism, and publishing. The question is: Are we ok with that?
- Mona Nomura
Mona: Apple is too secretive about everything. But that's who they are and they probably know that this publicity is good for them. It keeps us all wondering what the real story is. Guarantees everyone will attend Jobs' next press conference.
- Robert Scoble
If people are getting worried when a CEO is getting thin, shouldn't we be more worried over weight CEOs? They are more all of a heart attack time-bomb than SJ is a health risk. Why don't we ask all those fat CEOs to disclose *their* health record?
- Clarence Chiang
I'm not worried about him. Is no one familiar with the old adage, "An Apple a day keeps the Doctor away."
- Kevin Murray
Clarence: It's not just any CEO. It is Steve Jobs. Do you think his predecessor will generate this much news? Robert: I understand that, but that is so not ok, in my book.
- Mona Nomura
Mona: Apple doesn't listen to me on PR issues either. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Do they even make apple yogurt? It probably tastes better if you eat it with a mock turtle neck on.
- Keith Beucler
Great reporting Robert. The real losers here are the gossip sites like Gizmodo who perpetuate rumors with "anonymous sources" who are "100 %" correct.
- James
Why don't u interview him? I can see it now... "so who are you?"
- mal
That place is buzzing - why hasn't anyone else reported seeing him there?
- Jesse Stay
Hope he's well. In any case, despite all the coverage, what I haven't heard about is whether Apple's doing anything at CES? Do they usually exhibit? CES isn't something I've paid any attention to in the past but if Apple's becoming (as some are saying) the new Sony, wouldn't CES be important?
- Gordon Vaughan
Apple never goes to CES. Apple has its own show from now on: it's called its network of stores and Engadget. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Schnozberry! Who's ever heard of a schnozberry?
- Kerri
Now that Jobs has made his January 5 announcement, we can all reflect. In my view, even if they didn't know anything, Apple & Jobs should have made some sort of statement in December, when the Macworld announcement was made. It wouldn't have been perfect, especially since they may not have known about the hormonal imbalance at the time, but better to say something than nothing. If nothing else, it would have kept Robert out of the yogurt shop. :)
- Ontario Emperor
I've decided to come out with my own Top 100 list of best blogs. Here is it. #1. Scripting News. #2. Scobleizer. #3 - #100: Everyone else.
- Dave Winer
"When I talk to entrepreneurs who have moved here from other places they do say money played a part. But, they also said: 1. Access to talent. If you’re going to build a scalable system that can handle hundreds of millions of users there are only a few engineers in the world who have built those kinds of systems and most are in Silicon Valley. 2. The environment. I’ve been all over the world. I’ve never been anyplace that discusses business and technology as regularly as you hear it here. You walk down the street and you run into VCs and CEOs. 3. The weather. Sorry, after spending two weeks in Europe and another two in China, there’s nothing like California sunshine. 4. The diversity of cultures. There are very few places in Europe that have the cultural and economic diversity that you have within 60 miles of San Francisco. That turns into a much more diverse set of food you can go out and enjoy, etc. 5. The support. Need a lawyer that has taken a company public? They are here. Need..."
- Robert Scoble
Scoble, we're waiting you in Greece, sunshine (plus great beaches) included :)
- George Tziralis
I just blogged arrington's reaction to leweb...synchronicity!
- susan mernit
ha ha - well, I am sure everyone can write a similar list on their place of origin compared to any other place. Obviously we are not all as ignorant of where we live as opposed to a tourist who´s only spent 2 weeks in the country. Scoble is surely right about the tech aspects of California, but business, cuisine, culture etc. - these are bold statements to generalize about in such a way.
- Peter Efland
George: would love to come to Greece, but probably will have to wait for 2010. I've been traveling too much lately. Now gotta focus on my blog and business stuff.
- Robert Scoble
I think the points are well made on the environment, all these things do matter. There is also a culture of entrepreneurship(I had to leave my country to start a business). Two more things which are often missed: 1) the availability of incubation - do we really think google would have survived had they had to pay for their infrastructure at market prices from day 1? University and...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Peter: I've made about a dozen trips to Europe, my mom grew up there, I have lots of relatives there, so I have a little more than just "two weeks" of touristing there. You might look into the facts before you open your mouth. Heck, my 15-month-old son has been to Europe three times already.
- Robert Scoble
I moved to the US principally because of the different mindset. London is a great city but if you told someone about an idea there you would hear 'my brother tried that last year and it didn't work'. In America you hear 'that's amazing! can I invest?'. There is generally a greater sense of possibility here than back home. The visa system needs to be fixed though!
- Tony
agree on the general sense of possibility - it goes with that haste that is mentioned in the original article. It also goes with a culture where failure is far less negative and the act of trying far more positive. But I think these were easier when the markets were flush and high, - for a while you didnt need to do anything useful or anything that people would be willing to pay for,...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)