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Source: Apple to expand DRM-free music, new pricing - http://news.cnet.com/8301-10...
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Source: Apple to expand DRM-free music, new pricing | Digital Media - CNET News - http://news.cnet.com/8301-10...
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$.79/track....DRM free. We're in Amazon land here folks.
- Josh
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Long Beach Harbor Patrol Says Photography "Not Allowed" From Public Sidewalk - http://thomashawk.com/2008...
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My write up on our altercation with the cops from the Long Beach Harbor Patrol last Friday night. Photography is not a crime.
- Thomas Hawk
I'll be interested in what the LBHP's response will be, if you get one at all.
- Bob M. Montgomery
from twhirl
Wonder how much of the plant is photographed by Google Maps Street View
- Wayne Schulz
I love this area, thank you for capturing it and standing up for the right to do so.
- sean percival
Wayne, it's funny that you should mention Google Maps Street View. I brought this very subject up with one of the security officers. His response to me was that if the plant was already on Google Maps, why did I need to shoot it as well. I tried to explain that the type of photography I was after was a bit different than Google but he wouldn't accept that explanation.
- Thomas Hawk
What kills me is that they only ever stop the people with a giant dSLR and tripod - but ask yourself, if anyone was *actually* up to no good, why wouldn't they be using something a lot less conspicuous?
- Eric P
You should have asked them if they drove an Audi. When/If they said, "No, why?" you could reply, "Your acting like such dicks I just assumed you drove an Audi as well."
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Good point, Eric. It's like they just don't want you to have *good* pictures.
- Gabe
You were correct. 9/11 did in fact magically turn everything into a crime. Remember, "they hate us for our freedoms!"
- Glenn Batuyong
blogged it here http://www.lalawag.com/ceci-ne...
- sean percival
It is beyond ironic that we have become a police state in the aftermath of 9-11. Freedom indeed.
- Will-Pastor of FF
Its called fascism.
- David HC Soul
Not again... seriously Thomas, don't you understand that pipes, smoke stacks and lights have constitutional rights as well? :P (Keep fighting the good fight sir)
- Johnny Worthington
I work for a chemical company that also has a plant in the Long Beach area. You're on the right side of the law here Thomas. Even the policies in our company allow us to photograph competitor's plants from public areas. Thank you for bringing this out in the open.
- Eric Thompson
Aw, Schultz, that hurt. ;p @Thomas, you know I'm with you on this as usual. [More extensive comments at your article.]
- Anthony Citrano
This just sucks! Can't wait to hear what the Long Beach's Media Relations Department has to say about this incident. I've never heard of a permit being required for non commercial photography in a public place.
- Jeff P. Henderson
@Thomas, Was wondering if you had said you would put your camera away if they would have still insisted you leave?
- Jeff P. Henderson
Photographs don't kill...
- John
Jeff, I'm not sure if that would have satisfied them or not. We never offered to put our gear away. But they would not leave the site until they say us going on our way.
- Thomas Hawk
That's such a disappointment. Long Beach is not exactly a peaceful place. The cops there have better things to spend their time on.
- Jeremy Brooks
"The Photographer’s Right," http://www.krages.com/phorigh... and also, http://tinyurl.com/7edz39
- Maryam
Leather: anybody who does a lot of photography will get into a lot of altercations; it doesn't require being conspicuous or agressive.
- Gabe
This happens all the time to reporters and photographers. It's not just a post 9/11 thing.There is an ongoing tension between the media and law enforcement that goes back decades if not centuries.
- Alex Williams
Leather: most people don't blog about it. Also, it probably depends on your definition of altercation. Usually it's just a security guard coming up to me and telling me I can't shoot. Only a couple times have I had police want my ID. I'm sure it would be even worse if I used a tripod.
- Gabe
Great Flag!
- Charlie Anzman
Thomas, any response from LBHP at all yet?
- Bob M. Montgomery
from twhirl
Bob, not yet, sometimes it takes big organizations a while to respond though. I'll certainly post an update once I do hear back from them. Several other photographers have complained about the same thing happening to them by the Long Beach Harbor Patrol here and on Flickr posts on the same.
- Thomas Hawk
Yeah, but those photoagraphers aren't Thomas Hawk :-D
- Bob M. Montgomery
from twhirl
I'm a fan of taking pictures of any environment, and some do include people unaware of the fact. There's no shame in being in one good photo, and being praised by the photographer, I don't see a problem there if it brings your face for some flickr madness. If they decide by viewing it that it's enough, then it's also ok to respect their rights there. Blocking in advance is a shame in some way. What's or what's not to point?
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
They don't know who they are messing with when they mess with "the hawk!"
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Thanks for posting this, Thomas, and I look forward to even more from you in 2009.
- Dave Roth
Response from the Port of Long Beach here: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Thomas Hawk
Well don't you know, Thomas, that any photographer with a camera bag and a DSLR must be a pro??? / sarcasm
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Thought for the day: Techmeme's reliance on links between blog posts tends to reward arguments between bloggers. Techmeme does a disservice to the web in that it pulls technical discourse toward argumentation and tabloid-level fare that will generate bitchmemes, People that want to target Techmeme commonly do so via contrived controversy rather...
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...commonly do so via contrived controversy rather than by reason or rationality. Discuss.
- Matt Cutts
unless of course you are one of the authority/seed sites like techcrunch or scoble then you get to lead the bitchfest and get all the links for starting the argument in the firstplace ...
- Michael Gray
true to an extent, but you'll notice that almost all bitchmemes happen on the weekends or holidays when there really isn't much news to talk about. i actually think bitchmemes are good every once in a while -- takes blogging back towards the raw and away from the streamlined news that many have become
- MG Siegler
I read Techmeme occasionally and even show up every now and then. To some extent it gets a bum rap. The clustering feature is one of the nicer things about it. On the other hand, the "blogosphere" as defined by techmeme is a really really narrow one. Which is one reason I spend more time on Hacker News and Friendfeeds Life Scientist room than techmeme. I figure if anything important shows up on Techmeme, chances are I'll end up finding out about it anyway
- Deepak Singh
I think many folks are ignoring the "meme" portion of Techmeme. Going your own way and talking about topics nobody else does won't get you there. It's piling on and going back and forth with other bloggers that is tracked. Yes, it's tech news, but it rewards me-too stories and flamewars.
- Louis Gray
Louis, you're right. But, then, if "popularity" is what makes "value" then it'd be a sad world, a very sad world. I am, as you might know, for personal relevancy, a total unknown posting something about something that "I" like is far more worth "attention" to "me" than anything, say, Mike Arrington says.
- directeur
Amen! TechMeme is bad at catching news, and then only presents a small slice of it once it catches on. The Tweetree story in the last 24 hours is a perfect case study. Humans could do a much better job than TM does. I imagine this isn't too surprising.
- Dave Winer
Dave, True! But machines also can do a better job! The algorithms used nowadays are so stupid that a kid won't write them because of how silly they are. Let's face it: they're all based on the "popularity" parameter. There are standards for personal "interests". The dream-website would be the one to which I'll upload an APML file and which will filter and recommend content for me. I've spent the whole year trying, but the days when this will be fully implemented are definitely coming! :)
- directeur
I do think that until we can develop truly associative algos, some human filters will be required. But yes, algos can and should do the grunt work.
- Deepak Singh
I thought tracking stuff people like to argue about or that comes up repeatedly was the point of techmeme, not covering breaking news. That's certainly how it operates in practice.
- Mr. Gunn
I think Techmeme can be a great way for up and coming bloggers to get attention though, because it is so easy to to game. Once you get a name for yourself, then you can afford to move on to better, real news-related posts. It's one strategy - I don't think it's that bad of one either. Am I wrong here?
- Jesse Stay
Louis, then there's something missing, imho. Maybe TM is all it was ever intended to be. Then I want something that tries to keep me (and you and anyone else) informed on what's new in technology.
- Dave Winer
Techmeme = Tabloidmeme LOL
- Susan Beebe
Mr. Gunn. I think you're quite right, given the design, although it seems to be more of a recursive loop than carefully constructed arguments, but that's as much a function of the blogs tracked as anything else. So who's at fault, Techmeme or those bloggers. Probably both.
- Deepak Singh
Just to agree with Dave, I remember early Techmeme as being the best place to get a fresh snapshot of tech news in the blogosphere. Recent Techmeme is more about the discussions (and arguments) over tech news. There's nothing wrong with that, of course. I just need to change my mental model of what Techmeme is, and maybe shift more of my time to other places that highlight what's new in technology.
- Matt Cutts
I stopped using Techmeme about half a year ago and didn't miss out on any interesting news that would have been worth the time I spent on Techmeme every day. Tech blogs are so redundant it really doesn't matter anymore which blog you read, you'll likely get your news. For niches, just subscribe to these niche blogs you're interested in.
- sebmos
Matt, I just wrote a blog post continuing this thread. Thanks for getting it started. http://www.scripting.com/stories...
- Dave Winer
“In a controversy, the instant we feel anger, we have already ceased striving for truth and have begun striving for ourselves” Abraham J. Heschel
- shayne catrett
Friendfeed is almost what Dave wants. We just need ability to talk to the database and pull value out. What if we could say "show me all items that have word "techmeme" in them AND have two or more comments AND have three or more likes. Display in strict reverse chronological order with no comments and no likes dispayed." why can't we do that? Because friendfeed needs a rewrite first.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: ... or FF just needs to publish the mythical "firehose" of items, comments, and likes, and a third party could build that tool.
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert, is that a re-write or just an API?
- Robert Miller
Dave: (re "continuing" the thread) Don't you mean "forking"?
- Ken Sheppardson
but Techmeme wants to make money
- Steven Hodson
Patricia: Gabe deserves this. I was Techmeme's #1 user for a long time and when friendfeed came out I said he is blowing an opportunity to build us into techmeme. He keeps thinking people on friendfeed are stupid. He likes the elitist blogs only and took techmeme into being a Google News competitor. That was a mistake. As soon as friendfeed gives us a couple more features all will be clear. Oh, and I have seen a new service coming next year that will blow your mind in real time.
- Robert Scoble
And if friendfeed takes too long someone else will do it. There is too much value to be left on the table here for long.
- Robert Scoble
Patricia: NDA. Sorry.
- Robert Scoble
and I have something coming out this year to shift the communications paradigm and render websites extinct as we know them..I come with this Vision from the Jungles of Belize...High Tech Retribalization...the plan is so simple but I have not had the honor of the IT Intellects to lend a listening ear..part of being a "minority" I guess...@bcultral
- bcultral
*shrugs* I like Techmeme. It saves me from having to subscribe to a bunch of tech blogs in my RSS reader. I just go there any get my fill of headlines for the day.
- Eric P
Eric, me too but it hasn't evolved the right way. http://www.techfuga.com is a better one-page solution.
- Robert Scoble
Matt, TM is not about "technical discourse". There are places for that, like Google Groups. TM is about the community, it reflects their concerns and foibles. More pertinent, perhaps, to criticise the community for turning inward in this time of uncertainty. Also, maybe there's just not much news to talk about at the moment.
- Paul Montgomery
I still really like techmeme. Mainly because in the morning I can just scan the page and get an idea of what the top tech stories of the day are.
- Marcus Beagley
sorry, i guess my "Real News vs BitchMeme" Radar (tm) is less finely-tuned than the rest of you folks. regardless, i'm still addicted to TM on a daily, if not hourly, basis.
- dave mcclure
To be honest, often the bitchmemes have more value for me as an entrepeneur and blogger looking to provide a unique service or unique information that fulfils a real need. If people weren't bitching about poor search results, there wouldn't have been a need for Google to fulfil.
- Andy Beard
Delicious the new Napster? http://delicious.com/tag...
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delicious is back with a vengeance :)
- Thomas Bøhm
Naplicious? Delster?
- Tyson Key
Nice.
- Dave "Freedom 35"
He's definetely on to something here.
- Michael Fidler
from twhirl
Love that you looked up Kanye. His new album is fantastic.
- David Wilson
Delicious never stopped rocking, the 'cool' kids left but it carried on. Now you young whipper-snappers are re-discovering the del.icio, us old hands are going to hang around the bar and sneer at you. And complain about how it's not as good as the old days when Joshua was there.
- Andy Murdoch
Andy is Jason that young? I thought he was my age :)
- Fred Grott
If that is the case, is blogger the new Pirte Bay? I'm always surprised at the number of blogs which link to full album downloads. I like how the delicious feeds for audio results have an enclosure for the mp3 file.
- bernie
I've long subscribed via iTunes to a delicious feed for mashups - though I wish iTunes did a better job of preserving context, it is routinely some of the most interesting stuff I hear in any given week
- Shannon Clark
Police: More than 100,000 watch Obama - The Denver Post - http://www.denverpost.com/breakin...
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"The Obama campaign said it was the largest U.S. crowd to ever attend rally to see the Illinois senator. Obama addressed a crowd in Berlin that was estimated at 200,000."
- Dave Winer
from Bookmarklet
I love it. I remember being at Ronald Reagan's rally in Silicon Valley back in 1984 and he only had 40,000.
- Robert Scoble
That is hella people.
- Derrick
Derrick: that is a landslide brewing. I saw it last night at a Silicon Valley concert when the crowd erupted when the camera zoomed in on Neil Young's "Hippies for Obama" pin.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert, lets hope so.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Scoble: Please stop with this landslide stuff. I think a lot of people hope that you're right, but if people pick up on this landslide thing, there's a chance that they'll feel less compelled to go out and actually vote.
- Eric Florenzano
Robert, I'm so giddy, I can't stand it. And never before in history, have I been so involved with the political process. Rallies, monetary donations, volunteering. In these days and times, I feel like I can't afford NOT to.
- Derrick
Hold the giddy for the win. The GOP meme about the landslide is intended to mobilize their base. Voter suppression stories are flooding my wires right now, there's still much work to be done.
- Karoli
Robert, that was in Silicon Valley. CA has been written off as a Obama state. The real question is if in Ohio or Pennsylvania would the crowd react the same way?
- Santa CW™
Chris: walking around a neighborhood in North Carolina showed me that, yes, this is a real landslide. It's happening not just on the elitist coastal states, but nearly everywhere. McCain's home state might not vote for him. Imagine that!
- Robert Scoble
While we don't know whether or not it will be a landslide, each of us can help. Urge your family, friends, and your friends friends to vote. Particularly those between 18 - 30. I'm 48, and this is the most important election of my lifetime on many different levels. Urge people to be a part of what will be written in the histories as a turning point for America, ask them to become a part of the solution. Lets MAKE it a landslide.
- jcunwired
Robert... keep reporting the positive info. I like it. :)
- Santa CW™
I'm with you, Karoli. I'm also crazy nervous. We can't sit back and rest now. Much work to be done, there is.
- Derrick
Nor may Palin's home state vote for her. Anchorage Daily News endorses Obama today. http://www.adn.com/opinion...
- jcunwired
I'm still worried the Repooooblicos have a plan to hack the election.
- Dave Winer
Evidence of the rising tide in Virginia, as Robert describes in North Carolina. I've been to Wytheville, VA many times, and would never have announced myself as a Democrat without my foot on the gas and grinding through gears. Today, its a different place altogether. I would never have believed it. http://my.barackobama.com/page... This IS happening all over America!
- jcunwired
More evidence of Robert's prediction? McCain in NM yesterday spoke to about 1,000 people.
- jcunwired
Me too Dave. Especially after McCain said he could "guarantee" victory on Meet the Press today. Scary.
- jcunwired
Yet another HUGE crowd turns out for Obama. Haven't heard of a single large turnout for McCain, but I hear people are lining up for his
- Mike Reynolds
Me too. Lots of reports of voting machine irregularities with early voting. In NC, if a straight Dem ticket is voted but Pres not voted first, votes are negated.
- Karoli
yes, though when I saw full quote, I thought it was less scary. He was posturing. But still scary, yes.
- Karoli
The Ballot in NC has prez first, then straight ticket for the rest, then non-partisan positions. The polling place I went to did a great job making sure folks understood.
- kevin
I'm worried that the McCain camp has a wildcard - that Obama might not have been born in the US. I think there should be a popular movement to amend/change the law that states that the US president must be a US-born citizen.
- Tokyo Dan
Hawaii became a State in 1959. Obama was born there in 1961. His mother was and is an American citizen. You think that is not enough?
- Dennis E. Hamilton
from twhirl
Of course being born in Hawaii is enough. But there's hearsay that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. He might have been born in Kenya. Haven't you heard this? This may be the reason McCain is so confident.
- Tokyo Dan
Being born in Hawaii is just as good as being born in Panama, so I doubt that McCain would want to go in that direction....
- Bora Zivkovic
Within 24 hours I know Joe the Plumber's income, plumbing license status and voting record and Ashley Todd's Twitter, Myspace, Facebook and Youtube accounts, yet months later people still think there is something hidden when it comes to ACORN, Bill Ayers and Obama's birthplace?
- Rob Haas
McCain is confident because you're not supposed to act like you're losing even when it's obvious. Hillary Clinton was confident past the point where there was no chance for her to win the primary.
- Rob Haas
extraordinary. and a sign of how much we need change.
- susan mernit
Eric: are you saying I have influence over the outcome of the election? How flattering. Mind if I use your quote in my PR? :-)
- Robert Scoble
I thought women still gave birth in their houses when McCain was born.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
@Tokyo: there us no such law. the law says to be president you must be a natural born citizen NOT that you have to be born in the USA If you have an American citizen as parent that's all it takes ; the presidential exclusion clause means you can't be something else and apply for American citizenship then become president .... Everyone screaming from the soapbox to see the original Hawaii certificate is either simply misinformed or one of the group deliberately misrepresenting the truth
- David HC Soul
My mother gave birth to me and my two brothers at home, and she's younger than McCain, let alone me!
- Ian May
Thanks David. That's reassuring.
- Tokyo Dan
He's bigger then NCAA Football, he's almost as big as NASCAR.
- Will Higgins™
maybe it's just the realist in me speaking, but let's not get too carried away people. the right wingers will move heaven (they think they can anyway!) and earth to get their guy and his side kick elected and it's gonna get even dirtier than up to now.
- Joe Buhler
The RIAA shuts down Muxtape - http://news.cnet.com/8301-17...
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man, online music sharing is having a bad week. first Pandora, now Muxtape... who's safe any more?
- Nathan Chase
:(
- Robert DeBord
And here we were speculating about Pandora...
- Alex Williams
It looks more like Justin voluntarily shut it down to hype whatever "Muxtape for Bands" is.
- Bjorn Stromberg
damn. but it was bound to happen...
- Hillary Hartley
but the buttons to click on were so.....BIG
- Josh Haley
alright everyone... really it is past time for this, but we need to re-start a major boycott of buying cds or downloading music... it's time to fully get into the pirate mode and show the RIAA... they shouldn't bite the hand that feeds them.
- Harold
I was going to click on "like", but it didn't seem right somehow. If I *can* buy from the artist directly, I *will* be from now on.
- Karen Mohler
10 awesome Internet Easter eggs - http://news.cnet.com/8301-17...
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These are awesome! My favorite: "2. Yahoo's singing yokel. If you remember the 1990s you'll remember this wonderful yell--the sound of the Yahoo yodeler. To hear it any time just click on the ! at the end of the Yahoo logo on Yahoo.com. One thing to note is that this doesn't seem to work in Firefox 3, although if you're using IE7 it plays just fine." Some said this does work in FF3.
- Mike Reynolds
The Simpsons map for Quake III Arena - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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NASA - Earth and Moon as Seen from Mars - http://www.nasa.gov/mission...
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Love it, like this one: http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog...
- directeur
The added perspective of seeing them side-by-side is nice. I wonder where the moon is in it's orbit (does this accurately show the distance between the two)?
- Paul Buchheit
Given the description of Earth's distance from Mars, I'd say this is head-on, meaning this is to scale: "At the time the image was taken, Earth was 142 million kilometers (88 million miles) from Mars, giving the HiRISE image a scale of 142 kilometers (88 miles) per pixel, an Earth diameter of about 90 pixels and a moon diameter of 24 pixels."
- Mark Trapp
I take that back, that would make the moon way too close to the Earth.
- Mark Trapp
That's an awesome pic
- Sally Church
I'm with Mark, though I have no idea whether there winds up being any parallax with the head on view from Mars.
- Robert Seidman
Just posted part two of the computer documentary, covering the '50s and '60s. Porky Pig and Donald Duck use a UNIVAC: http://xrl.us/bmg8j
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Kevin Fox of Gmail & FriendFeed on User Experience Design - http://blogoscoped.com/archive...
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A great, extremely detailed article Q&A with Kevin. Stop what you're doing and read this now. I don't want to see any comments for another 15 minutes until you've read this unless you can prove previous comprehension from having already seen it.
- Louis Gray
"A site that visibly promotes how many ’friends’ you have turns friends into commodities, creating an economy where you are motivated to make as many friends as you can. " There goes all my feature requests for a more robust stats section of the site.
- Mark Trapp
Mark, I have that very quote in my clipboard, but I admit, I was going to say it's one of my favourite things about FF. :)
- felix
All right, after reading it fully, I never realized Kevin Fox was like the Jonathan Ive of Google Apps. What a loss for Google. I enjoyed the rationale behind why labels exist: never thought of it like that. Most people explain it as "It's better than folders. Now be quiet!"
- Mark Trapp
Love the old Google logos! Sounds like FriendFeed has a very promising UI guy on the team. Yay... The "You said earlier you found 6 types of users for Gmail. What were those? .... No comment. ;-)" is remnants of a less-open philosophy though.
- Mitchell Tsai
"People talking to people facilitated by computers." I believe that about sums up this whole social networking thing ;-)
- Paul Short
Sprague, but it could definitely be applied to things like Twitter, where people subscribe to thousands of others in hopes that they get a reciprocal follower count bump, and let's not forget about Jason Calacanis vying for top spot on twitter follower activity. The ability to get into follower competitions is facilitated by seemingly benign statistics about follower counts.
- Mark Trapp
@Kevin: Great interview, though the pic above looks like a promo for "Kevin Fox's Chiller Theatre Macabre 3000" :-)
- Chris Reed
Mark: When looking at Jason Calacanis's stats this morning http://friendfeed.com/e..., I was surprised to find that almost 45-50% of his readers are age 3-17, VERY different from Robert Scoble and Leo Laporte's age demographics. Is that because of how Jason went about gathering followers? Through the MySpace and Facebook communities maybe?
- Mitchell Tsai
I like the flat hierarchy of titles @ friendfeed, I'm a UI Designer, so of course I look up to kevin's work. Any user experience person should be as flexible and willing to contribute more than interaction sketches. I super like, super karma, super kudos this entry if friendfeed had those UI elements :)
- karl dotter
This is madness!! Folks you can't be serious! I'm sure it's a big joke or something... :)
- directeur
Greg, it's using the FF bookmarklet. When you use it, you can click on a picture to add it to your post.
- Vince DeGeorge
Greg http://friendfeed.com/share... watch the video
- Brian Sullivan
Awesome article. I'm really enjoying reading about user interface design, even though I've never really done it. Very inspiring stuff here.
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
Mitchell: Was it 3-17, or 13-17? If it's the former, that's awesome. And I would agree with that hypothesis: when Calacanis is active on Twitter, he's constantly demanding people react to whatever he's doing, either via comments or follows or whatever. I do know a few months ago he had a goal to get higher than Scoble in followers on Twitter, as well.
- Mark Trapp
Three cheers for Kevin. :-)
- Jason Wehmhoener
Mark: 3-17 (but 12-17 was about 90% of the whole 3-17). See Calacanis chart stored here http://picasaweb.google.com/MitchTs... or the live one here http://quantcast.com/calacan...
- Mitchell Tsai
How does it even know that? You can't legally track someone's data if they under 13 to begin with.
- Mark Trapp
Not only am I a happy user of all of the products mentioned in this article, as a UI designer I often find myself referring to these products in design discussions with my teams.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Mark: No clue... Maybe Quantcast does some estimating based on subsampling to fix the raw data? (e.g. conduct in-person interviews on a random subsample of the population)
- Mitchell Tsai
Seriously, you're doing all this for a thesis? a PhD? WHY? I mean... Are you "sciencizing" and "theorizing" socialmedia? All this is so ephemerous, so humanly erronous and lying, It doesn't deserve nobody's time and efforts...
- directeur
directeur, maybe this isn't the community for you.
- Mark Trapp
Mark: Let me very friendly don't agree :) Because in THIS community you have to study these things to be admitted? (no trolls, nothing, just a notice)
- directeur
@directeur what is it exactly that you're talking about?
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
reading this was like...read, read, *lightbulb*, read, read, *lightbulb*, *lightbulb*, read, *lightbulb*....
- Iain Baker
@Shey: I was wondering on the life in a socialmedia context, I find it so exagerated to study things like Scoble/Dupont/Smith followers and such... I asked if it's for a thesis... because if not, I'm really wondering how come I feel the only one to think that it's exagerated and somehow strange behavior...
- directeur
What, exactly, is exaggerated or strange about it?
- Mark Trapp
Mark: saying "Calacanis chart" for example, I find it exagerated... I wonder about the need to study this... You are free to do whatever you want!! I'm just wondering, I wanted some exaplanations, I really needed to know why would someone like me or you spend time on studying a so vague and IMHo useless thing as the "Calacanis chart"... I may be wrong, so please correct me if i'm wrong
- directeur
directeur, you jumped into the middle of a conversation between a few of us about a specific part of the story: calling what we're doing strange, exaggerated, stupid, silly, or any other abusive term isn't constructive. Think of this like real life: how would you feel if someone interrupted a conversation you were having with someone to tell you that what you're talking about is stupid and wrong and exaggerated?
- Mark Trapp
Hey look! It's an interview with Kevin Fox! ;-)
- Jason Wehmhoener
Mark: My bad, sorry, I though that the discussions here were open to everyone. and indeed they are, but it's still my fault, why the heck have I the need to share my own opinions? Sorry.
- directeur
Thanks for the feedback everyone! Directeur: Mark said it very well: The discussions are open and you're free to say what you like, but so are other people. If you come in and harshly criticize others, you have to accept the reality that others will harshly criticize you back. It's just like the real world.
- Kevin Fox
Kevin, I was wondering, like any "mediterranean" usually do, maybe it's my english, but I never meant to be harsh... anyway.. Sorry again!
- directeur
directeur: No worries. I appreciate your comments, and love that we're getting such diverse international usage!
- Kevin Fox
I'm so impressed that Bret set up and configured everything before your first day. That says a lot.
- Ginger Makela Riker
I like the concept of everyone having the same title. Excellent read. I have learned something.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
@Ginger That says Bret has no need for a Field Tech person to me. ;)
- EricaJoy
I like the photo. Kevin's got the classic visionary staring-into-the-distance pose but at the same time he has this critical are-you-sure-this-is-right expression. It's the heroic UI reviewer.
- ⓞnor
I call that look "Magnum"
- Kevin Fox
Oh! Oh! Now do "Blue Steel"
- April Buchheit
If you roll over the thumbnail above, it changes to me doing "Blue Steel".
- Kevin Fox
oooh... when do we get to see Le Tigre and Ferrari?
- Ross Miller
So cute to see April's picture pop up over her name. :-)
- Mitchell Tsai
83 likes on this article (so far). Kevin, you're quite the popular fellow.
- Louis Gray
Awesome article. Had it in one of my browser tabs all day, finally got around to reading it. Kevin - you designin' fool! You've had a hand in some really great projects.
- Hutch Carpenter
Comment fragmentation isn’t the blogger’s fault - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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No fair writing on that GMail status before I got to. Punk.
- Louis Gray
LOL @Louis
- Steven Hodson
Steven, I'm carrying on with your train of thought in my next blog post.
- Mark Dykeman
You damn right it's not my fault. Good post Steven :D
- Corvida
It's better to have comment fragmentation than no comments at all. Pre-FF, I was a small time blogger averaging one comment a month. Via FF/Twitter/etc, I get that many comments every few hours. Nice. So this is my new world.
- Mike Reynolds
at least 50% of what I see on friendfeed is people writing about friendfeed or twitter...
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You need new, more diverse, friends or you need to hide those conversations and move on. Me? I like the noise, so keep it up.
- Robert Scoble
it's also because FF/twitter is the current storm moving over the interweb
- Morgan
@Kevin: I don't think I've posted much of anything about Friendfeed, and nothing about Twitter. I *reply* to a number of posts on those topics, but they don't interest me enough to dwell on them independent of input. So as Scoble pointed out, it's all down to who you're reading.
- Roger Benningfield
As I've said a few times when this comes up, it's because FriendFeed is so shiny and new that it goes in waves. You had the first users back in October, then you had the post-beta surge, and now you're seeing the post-Scoble surge, and the post-Twitter issues surge. With more pushing by Steve Rubel, Jeremiah Owyang and Thomas Hawk, this won't go away immediately, but you should see the mix fluctuate. That said, Robert is right. You need to follow more folks who talk about more things.
- Louis Gray
At least 100% of your friends in friendfeed or twitter are Geeks and care only about Twitter and FriendFeed!!
- john
Twitter is useless. Anyone on twitter is definitely on FF, and if they are not, they are stupid. Having said that, rather than going to twitter to post your little message, that will inevitably end up on and get the most action on FF, you might as well just skip twitter, and go right to the crowded room that is FF.
- Anthony
Here's one way to change this mix: everyone go to Flickr and favorite some photos. Then go and write an interesting blog post. Then do a little video on youTube. Then go to Google Reader and share some interesting stuff. If everyone did that then we would have other things to talk about. Yes, I'm taking my own medicine I'm over at Google Reader right now.
- Robert Scoble
Including you.
- TranceMist
for nascent tools that's pretty common, and agree if twitter wasn't sucking fumes right now it wouldn't be as interesting - my guess is the team behind ff isn't minding the conversion though - built in focus group and feature request pool if used right...
- mike "glemak" dunn
Robert: You like the noise that much? Without an adequate filter I doubt you'll survive it... just try an analogy, I play jazz in my coin, someone sings "Wherevaaa you are..." by Celine Dion of course, someone else, an other one imits Eminem, what would you do?
- directeur
directeur: noise is like the waves in the ocean. You gotta learn to swim and surf. After you do, all you want is more and bigger waves.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I never learnt to swim actually, but I still think that we all need filters, because noise is not as uniform as waves may be. Noise has some bad sides that even the best exercice won't defeat.
- directeur
That's so not true, we're also talking about Plurk.
- Mark Drapeau
from twhirl
Most people will want filters. I agree. I just don't care about them for ME. I'm very adept at surfing the noise. Most people aren't. Don't design your products for ME design them for everyone else. That's why I want filtering, so I can get more people in here.
- Robert Scoble
FF can seem almost exclusive to social networking and media stuff. Only it's really not. Want to see what else people are talking about? Go to the everyone tab and type in a search term - baseball, "sex in the city", what I had for dinner, or whatever. You'll likely find lots of conversation about those things, and the people who posted them. And remember you can exclude search terms by putting a - sign in front of them.
- Tom Landini
"That's why I want filtering, so I can get more people in here." Sorry didn't understand this one :)
- directeur
fair enough - i'll post some videos to go with the pictures and blog posts that i added this afternoon - and don't get me wrong, i do really enjoy the out-of-tech contributions: Scoble with science, Rubel with with sports, Fred Wilson with NYC and music, Hawk with photos, and much more... in any case, it's more an observation than a criticism, and yes, one that says I should be branching out more to find the optimal mix for my own personal tastes
- Kevin
When I show most people FriendFeed all they see is the noise. I want a way to show them that they can control the noise. If I had that, then a LOT more people would like hanging out here, which would improve all of our lives.
- Robert Scoble
For this reason I hope FF will first worry about improvements around duplication and hiding content and worry about all the stuff Steve Gillmor asked for...after that!
- Robert Seidman
@Scoble agreed. One ofthe biggest turn-offs to me about Friend Feed is the constant noise, esp. about twitter and FF
- Jacob Nahin
I more than completely agree Robert! I'm not talking about filtering "people" (God how I'd hate this!) I'm simply talking about filtering information, which is a different thing. Of course having a lot more people here is such a wealth! I meet people, I learn many things, but I, for example, just don't care about R'n'B or hate strawberries, that doesn't mean that I don't care of what else Scoble has to say :)
- directeur
Robert: they covered all of that on Gillmor Gang on Friday. I think their answers were very interesting.
- Robert Scoble
I agree, time to get a life beyond Twitter or FriendFeed!;-) Take up gardening or music or something already! My two cents...
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I agree. Just had a talk with a few people about that last night. It's one of the main reasons why I've been staying away from FriendFeed lately.
- Corvida
jesus too true
- adolfo foronda
If you don't want to see stuff about twitter or friendfeed, enter this search term: "service:internal who:everyone -twitter -friendfeed" This query will return all the stuff shared from Friendfeed except those that mention twitter or friendfeed. Amazingly, there are posts that talk about other things. Lots of post. (You can change the service parameter to see googlereader, blog, flickr, or whatever.)
- Tom Landini
An interesting case here: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- directeur
yeah, but are you reading friendfeed in mysocial 24x7 ?
- paynito
what's mysocial? and No, whatever it is, it's not 24x7. I have, say, an hour for real life on my desktop computer, in which I take 5 minutes to code, answer profesional emails, fix bugs and you know such boring stuff...
- directeur
Minnesota town tells Google Maps to get lost | Tech news blog - CNET News.com - http://news.cnet.com/8301-10...
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UsingMac - Bookmarklets for Mac Safari - http://www.usingmac.com/2008...
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Handy set!
- Steve Rubel
Mac hits record 7.8% market share in Net Applications survey - http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008...
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Offbeat Guides: Build your own travel books | Webware : Cool Web apps for everyone - http://www.webware.com/8301-1_...
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This is just awesome.
- Eric Rice
Very smart idea
- Erno Hannink
Paper aint dead yet!...via feedalizr
- David Sim
Nice idea, but I'm not convinced that people will pay for this content. I hope it goes well for them.
- Peter Cattell
from fftogo
I like this, and would certainly pay $9 for a custom PDF to put on my iPhone.
- Jamie
Intense video of a falcoln diving from 10,000 feet with parachuters - http://www.dumpalink.com/videos...
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awesome - gotta love bbc :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
This is a very cool artproject... NYC is installing waterfalls everywhere: http://www.nycwaterfalls.org/
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very cool - i had thought originally that these were only going to be built under the brooklyn bridge
- Kevin
NYC waterfalls - wow that so fresh and natural sounding... won't that destroy the ultra concrete jungle affect of the big city?
- Susan Beebe
Here's another way to save links for later http://readbag.com/
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This looks pretty nice. I like having an app seperate from del.icio.us to mark articles for later reading. Just because I want to read it later, doesn't necessarily mean that I want to share it. And Readbag has the share feature right there, if I want to do that. nice.
- bernie
TechCrunch Statistics A-W - http://thestatbot.com/2008...
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love these posts!
- Robert Seidman
Thanks :)
- Yuvi
Jet Propulsion Laboratory - First Hi Res Image - http://jpl.nasa.gov/index.cfm#
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This is pretty cool.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
I can barely do a cell phone video that is this good.
- Robert Scoble
Watching this event live via Qik from Congressman John Culberson was truly amazing. http://qik.com/video/86776
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
cool! that looks like No Mans' Land! for real
- Susan Beebe
Awesome Brian - What's even more awesome is I can stay right here and pretty much get updated on everything I'm tuned in to?!
- Charlie Anzman
A perfect mission. Everyone at JPL now wearing what looks like 3D glasses while viewing images. Anyone know what their function is?
- Robert Stevens
Stuff like this makes me happy I'm a human. :) Hurray space exploration!
- Chrimmus Tad
They're adding more on the Net (NASA TV is muted??) http://www.nasa.gov/mission...
- Charlie Anzman
Man, imagine if they somehow come across water with actual bacteria...
- Jacob Nahin
Thanks for the link Charlie. I think we're going to see a lot of cool stuff from Phoenix over the next few months.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Maybe a giant tornado self-defense system...
- Jacob Nahin
@Robert: MarsPhoenix on Twitter has an answer about the 3D glasses: http://twitter.com/MarsPho...
- Voyagerfan5761
thanks so much!
- lisa church
from Alert Thingy
No API? You Suck! - http://www.feld.com/blog...
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Great piece Brad and lots of good info. APIs are an absolute requirement now to get adoption and innovation from the edge. No Web app, or frankly, business, should be without one. Amazon's recent stats showthe immense possibilities as well: http://web2.socialcomputingmag...
- Dion Hinchcliffe
from twhirl
No API means no Web 2.0, the future is interconnected apps that do something of value leveraging stuff on other sites. There will be no future SAPs in the world, success will be those who work easily together and who provide value to the users. Great article.
- Jon Erickson
from twhirl
Brad, excellent piece. It helps me convince people to embed APIs in the core of our work. Thx
- Aad 't Hart
Jack of Twitter talks about outages... - http://blog.twitter.com/2008...
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Rough week for Twitter. I've watched dozens of new, popular, and free web services experience scaling difficulties. I'm always saddened by knee-jerk responses of technologists who blithely assert "I guess they don't test their software" during outages. Testing is only a part of prevention and is always a moving target. Diagnosis and response can sometimes take hours/days/weeks/months depending on the problem or the system. Money or funding doesn't automatically translate into an ideal production, staging, and analytic environment overnight (especially if growing by millions) and NO service or platform is immune. None! Not One. Happens within Google all the time. (You might not know that the Reader team has been sleepless this week in attempts to keep the service running.) I figure those of us who can help out with coding or sysadmin work to services we love probably should offer our efforts pro bono. Might not be able to help - but might as well offer. That is, if we care about them...
- Chris Wetherell
Great comments, Chris. People should know about how understaffed the Reader team is versus what we expect from it.
- Louis Gray
@chris as for "noBODY IS PERFECT" - i want to point you to telco services, they are might be ugly but _reliable_.
- A.T.
@silpol It is much easier to be reliable when you don't innovate :)
- Christopher Sacca
@sacca to me, innovation without reliabilty coming-second-but-coming looks cheaper than reliabilty without innovation ;)
- A.T.
Well, bless the Reader team, then. I'm hopelessly addicted.
- Chris Baskind
@silpol - I think the Faustian bargain for using these services *must* be that you accept a little down time or lag once in a while, they are on the bleeding edge after all. Don't get me wrong I love a piece of software or hardware that feels solid state but it's not the number one concern for any start-up. Any company worth a damn is concerned however, that if they don't keep their users happy that there might not be a tomorrow, which is more than one can say for telcos.
- Jason Shellen
Chris, thank you for adding some much needed perspective to this. I'm so sick of the Twitter bashing.
- Mike Doeff
Chris, thanks for reminding me what it's like to work on these services. It is a pressure cooker and I can't imagine what that's like. Of course my own site is having its own issues, so I have a little taste trying to keep everything working. Thanks for Google Reader and thanks to the Twitter team for everything it's done. I'm freaking addicted to both, so both teams are doing something right.
- Robert Scoble
There's a real catch 22. If you spend tons of time at the beginning of development on making a super-scalable product in a fast-paced market, you may miss the boat. However, if you don't, later you'll run into scalability issues and it's much harder to rearchitect on the fly. Not really sure what the answer is here...maybe quantum computing :)
- Eric Florenzano
Great stuff, Chris, I was beginning to think I was the only one who felt deeply uneasy about the Twit-out.
- Iain Baker
I used Twitter during the Twit-out, and I used the Hide function every time Twit-out came up from the participants. It's one thing to use a service for what it was intended, and another to pour salt in another's wounds to show how you don't think you need it as much as you might have before. Also, such wide discussion of the activity seemed overly self-congratulatory to me.
- Louis Gray
@shellen i understand your logic but don't buy it. in my opinion, twitter _is_ too long in kindergaten and _too_ repetitive in fails. they could open door for paid service for those looking reliabilty at low price, leaving masochists with all-time-failing-but-free level...
- A.T.
@Chris - They had already received $5.4M in venture capital. Why should we offer services for free? And they just received $15M more tonight according to GigaOM. if anything, we should volunteer our time to make something else better that's being bootstrapped instead of something that has received millions in venture capital. $20M buys a LOT of hardware and pays a lot of salaries.
- Erica Douglass
So in other words, you build a Rube Goldberg machine, and then complain it's hard to figure out why it doesn't work? It's been a year. They first ran into scaling problems at SXSW 2007. They aren't working on the next NYSE in terms of data processing and scaling. I've been one of their biggest defenders. But I'm no longer convinced they really want to listen about solutions.
- Cyndy
The graph in that blog post looks more like a fundamental flaw than soemthing that can be fixed easily. Maybe this is proof that RoR isn't a good choice for a platform...
- Alexander Falk
from twhirl
Hmm..could news of the 3rd round funding have reversed the feelings of generosity and forgiveness we were feeling towards Twitter? Still against the twit-out.
- Kamath (नमः)
from twhirl
The key fact is that Jack *talked* about them. That's all I ask.
- Ontario Emperor
@silpol - Your assertion about telcos requires more nuance. AT&T, Vonage, and Skype (first off the top of my head) have had major outages in their data services. And phone services (including a massive transition from analog to digital in the PSTN) have had roughly 80 years to work on scaling issues during which there has been significant downtime. Also, I'm not sure what you mean about telcos being "ugly." Are you talking about Bell Labs' DS0 digital signal? Marketing? Pulse dialing? SS7?
- Chris Wetherell
@Cyndy - Your opinion about Twitter's system ("Rube Goldberg") sounds definitive. Have you seen their code? Their network topology? Their database schema? Do you know their message volume? What's your opinion about their message queue solution? Do you know more technical information about Twitter than the platform they've (reportedly) chosen for their web service? I'm suspicious, hopefully understandably. Also, Gmail and Google Reader have had big outages...do you also think they are Rube Goldberg machines?
- Chris Wetherell
@Erica - Because (as I mentioned above) funding doesn't automatically translate into an ideal production, staging, or analytic environment overnight (esp. if growing by millions). Also, hiring and getting people up to speed are potentially high-latency tasks as new companies don't usually have built-out HR depts. So, in the meantime, I like the idea of offering help to stuff we love and...
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- Chris Wetherell
Too bad Louis. You missed the entire point of the Twit-Out as did most of the web. That's ok though, we all love Twitter the same.
- Bwana ☠
Never underestimate the value of hiring someone who does solely community outreach and customer/client relations. Twitter would benefit immensely with a person in that position, even if they aren't doing a line of code.
- Mark Trapp
Did they already manage to relaunch without Ruby on Rails, which seems to be a big part of their scaling issues? http://www.radicalbehavior.com/5-quest...
- Philipp Lenssen
Ruby on Rails is only part of the infrastructure, as Ev has mentioned before. It's not as simple as just rewriting that part. But still, they've been working on this for what a year or so now?
- Ryan W
I think Trapp has a great point as do Bwana, Scoble, Gray, and Wetherell. Scaling will always be an issue whenever a "widget" takes off whatever it is. Support for said "widget" is then necesssary, as well as prompt communication of c/s issues. Many times having a "non-techie" be the c/s person helps provide a different insight as to where the current user as well as the potential user...
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- Mathew A. Koeneker
@phillipp and @ryanw - Alex Payne from Twitter has a little more info about these questions in a post about their architecture: http://dev.twitter.com/2008...
- Chris Wetherell
The Day There Was No News - http://feeds.laughingsquid.com/~r...
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