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Rowman.com: 9780810890527 - Time and Project Management Strategies for Librarians - https://rowman.com/ISBN...
Sir Shuping is just sir, holly #ravingfangirl and Betsy #TeamMonique liked this
I admit it, I just ordered a copy for the library
- maʀtha
from Bookmarklet
nothing wrong with that. SLIS library is collecting in this area because we're about to launch a PM course.
- RepoRat
Huh. I'm supposed to start work on a Project Management for Libraries book sometime this fall for Rowman publishing (after I finish both the cloud books I'm working on for them). I wonder if the editor I'm working with knows that this is even out.
- WebGoddess
I fully expect it to automagically solve all of my problems :)
- maʀtha
all you need to do is sleep with it under your pillow
- DJF
from Android
et voila!
- maʀtha
Well, Martha, if it doesn't, sounds like there will be another one out next year.. ;)
- WebGoddess
Nice cover.
- barbara fister
I just like the idea that the cover art for a book on project management isn't out yet.
- laura x
snerk.
- barbara fister
Well that's disappointing. Facet's commissioning editor just told me there's no option at all for any open access contracts for books with them, not even with an embargo. I had hoped for better from libraryland. If our own publishers can't see a way to get with this program, what the hell hope do we have from the rest of the industry?
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I like your calling the profession's publishers out, not the thing on which they need to be called out. The complexity of liking things these days.
- barbara fister
SMASH
- jambina
Yes, what she said.
- barbara fister
My friend/colleague in the religion department just wondered aloud, "Is assessment gendered female?"
The context being a discussion of a department where a minority of male professors has tried to subvert/torpedo the assessment process.
- Steele Lawman
Huh, interesting. Not sure I agree, but that made me think of a post on how MOOCs play into gender roles re: superstar prof status (read: male authority) versus the "care work" that plays so much more of a role in teaching, but rarely gets rewarded. So, assessment as a form of programmatic care work? http://artssquared.wordpress.com/2012...
- Amandadon't
Yes, Amanda. I didn't read your link yet, but you are on the wavelength that my colleague was. DJF, I don't understand your objection/dismissal?
- Steele Lawman
Can I posit that *good* assessment (thoughtful, holistic, nuanced, attentive to context) is gendered female while *bad* assessment (data for data's sake, punitive, one-size-fits-all) is gendered male without sounding like a complete ass? (Answer: probably not.)
- Catherine Pellegrino
Qual and quant work were definitely gendered in my polisci experience; I dont see why assessment couldnt be so
- ωαřмaiden ❤Marrit Woman❤
Catherine, you ass.
- Steele Lawman
I'm very uncomfortable with gendering assessment, and with reductionist gendering of ideas in general. It would take me more words than I have, and a lot of verbal fumbling and personal digressions, to attempt to explain why. but I think it's a bad way to go.
- Marianne
Marianne, I agree. If I understood it correctly, our colleague was wondering, "are these men I am hearing about who are disparaging and hostile toward assessment, are they doing that because they perceive it as 'women's work' and not manly and macho" in the way that Amandadon't suggests that being the star prof. is perceived. So it's not that I think "is assessment gendered female" is a...
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- Steele Lawman
Ah! Well, in that case, I'd say that the pushback I'm hearing on my campus about assessment has very little to do with the women's work of assessment being un-manly and not-macho, and more to do with "damn the man" and "how dare they" and "but I've been doing this for <mumble> years" instead.
- Catherine Pellegrino
The distinction between "does society currently gender assessment" and "should we gender assessment" is important. I read the question as the first; it sounds like others are reading it as the second?
- Deborah Fitchett
I definitely read it as the first, "does society currently gender assessment?", with an unspoken "if so, once we recognize it perhaps we might try to stop?"
- Amandadon't
Yeah, Deborah and Amanda are reading it the way I read it originally from my colleague.
- Steele Lawman
When I read that line I though "yeah, the people who actually do the work where I am are disproportionately female."
- barbara fister
By the way? This is utterly fascinating.
- barbara fister
I am marking student assessments that I designed right now. I remarked a couple of hours ago to a male friend about how I need to stop trying to support their self-concept and help them to be good, well-rounded human beings who will help society and just count stuff and mark quicker (was in context of them producing multimedia piece where they have to speak so wanting to be so careful to be supportive with tactful, but clear feedback, after what is a really confronting activity for many people)...
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
That sounds kind of a stereotypically womanly work approach to me.
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
I wonder if my first reaction (why would anyone want to perpetuate the stereotypical (masculine or feminine) norms by "gendering" a behavior) which is consonant with my reaction just now (I'll just have to internally reject the gendering of behaviors so I don't get aggravated) is a typical male/masculine response?
- awd
Aaron... my head is spinning and I am all a'circle trying to follow that. Do you feel dizzy too ?
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
If I follow, Aaron, you're wondering if it's a typical male response to say "I don't know why anyone would want to perpetuate stereotypes on either side, so I internally reject such behavior." I would disagree with your premise: I don't think anyone *wants* to perpetuate stereotypes, I think we all do it unwittingly, until it's pointed out. Which is possibly ignoring your actual question :)
- Amandadon't
Yes, Amanda, that gets toward the heart of the question... the next step, for me, is the desire to break the linkages between a given behavior and gender -- I suppose I'm more interested in the behavior as related to a (positive or negative) perception of that behavior (to either modify or improve both the perception and the behavior) than I am in trying to apply a gender stereotype...
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- awd
Maybe my POV is clear by now, but my reaction to "Is 'assessment' gendered as female?" was "Yah, kinda. And that's fucked up."
- Steele Lawman
I just got Boing Boinged: http://boingboing.net/2013...
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woot! congrats!
- Sir Shuping is just sir
good job, sir
- Meg V. Meg
Congratulations!
- Betsy #TeamMonique
I know someone who going BoingBoinged. I feel faint...
- barbara fister
I feel a little faint too. BB sure brings the traffic.
- John Dupuis
Excellent
- Hedgehog
We should totally play Six Degrees of BoingBoinged. (Well done, John.)
- Catherine Pellegrino
Oh man! So cool! We are all first degree now!
- laura x
Also in Slate! http://www.slate.com/blogs...
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
dang, that's awesome.
- Marie
Yeah, uh, this whole thing has been pretty wild. Up to nearly 12K page views, which is by far the most popular post I've ever done. Posts on the politicization of science in Canada have always been popular, but in the 1-2K page view range.
- John Dupuis
Liked on Fb: 3.6K, Tweets: 763. Even 74 +1's on G+, for heaven's sake.
- John Dupuis
But, how much has this been shared in friendfeed?
- Joe Boone
Now it's slashdot and stumbleupon.
- John Dupuis
Who did you pay, and how much?
- Joe Boone
I wish I were that smart. I guess I should mention that I did submit the post to BB but I imagine they pick up only a very small portion of what's submitted. I suspected I would have a decent shot because Cory Doctorow is Canadian and he has posted about the Canadian goverment in the past. Aside from that, all I did was tweet it up a bit more than usual.
- John Dupuis
Didn't know that there was a process for submitting posts to BB, and that is good to know.
- Joe Boone
Edging up to 30K page views, 73 comments, 7K likes, 1100 tweets, 200 +1's and more than a dozen links from other blogs (including Bruce Sterling, of all people). Probably a dozen or so emails with suggestions, some from insiders. This is seriously unlike anything else that's ever happened.
- John Dupuis
What fun! Congrats, and good job, John. You hit a nerve, and brought info.
- Heather Piwowar
from iPhone
rock on, man!
- RepoRat
Thanks. I've noticed a few people have basically republished my list, with attribution. I'm thinking CC0 for this post.
- John Dupuis
I'm doing a list of Quick Reads for adult summer reading. Please name your favorite books that are either 1) UNDER 200 pages or 2) have VERY SHORT chapters. Fiction and nonfiction are fine.
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Girl With a Pearl Earring may skate in just over 200 pages, but I recall blasting through it much faster than most novels when I read it.
- Catherine Pellegrino
All my friends are superheroes by Andrew Kaufman; The chairs are where the people go by Sheila Heti; The Clock of the Long Now by Steward Brand are three that come to mind...
- copystar
Well, this will spoil the surprise I had for you, because I'm mailing it as soon as I get my ass down to the post office (and I am going to imperiously and ineffectually demand you not read it until you get that copy), but I'm utterly in love with Maggie Nelson's Bluets (http://www.wavepoetry.com/collect...). It's 112 pages long and the chapters are paragraphs. (It's not *actually* poetry either, although it is sometimes poetry-like - it's fiction and/or memoir.)
- Marianne
Blockade Billy, by Stephen King.
- Julian
84, Charing Cross Road by Helene Hanff (it's less than 100)
- Katy S
Animal Farm
- Hedgehog
The Illustrated Man by Ray Bradbury (technically a collection of connected short stories, if that's okay). Also, I'd love to see your list when you're done. :)
- Katy S
The Last Lecture by Randy Pausch
- Kathy
Broetry by Brian McGackin
- Katie
The Bride Stripped Bare by Nikki Gemmell (very short chapters)
- ωαřмaiden ❤Marrit Woman❤
Someone at Fiction-L has been collecting these, too, for a quick turn-around book club. http://www3.mgpl.org/maillis...
- barbara fister
Ordinary Love and Good Will, Smiley
- maʀtha
Annie John, Kincaid
- maʀtha
I think most Jane Austen novels are a little over 200 pages, and I think they also have fairly short chapters. Pride & Prejudice comes in at about 256, and has 61 chapters. My other favorite Jane Austen novel is Persuasion.
- Laura H.
ooh, a lot of kincaid is short. My Brother is my favorite (nonfiction) and it's 208 pp... it read very quickly.
- Marianne
Second on 84 Charing Cross Road! I also adore Cold Comfort Farm by Stella Gibbons, which skates in at 234 pgs. Paletas by Fany Gerson, Finnish Lessons: What Can the World Learn from Educational Change in Finland? Classic short stories like the Yellow Wallpaper, ....I do not read many book under 200 pages. This is hard!
- MontglaneChess
House on Mango Street, Cisneros
- maʀtha
also a lot of Diana Athill is very short. Somewhere Towards the End is seriously wonderful (and again, 208 pages; what's with me and 208 page books?).
- Marianne
I was surprised to see that The Martian Chronicles was as long as 250 pages. A college acquaintance of mine wrote a wonderful short book called Treasure Island!!! http://www.amazon.com/Treasur...
- Steele Lawman
Room with a View, Forster
- maʀtha
Could alo include some flash fiction collections
- maʀtha
Various Steinbeck
- maʀtha
To the lighthouse, Woolf
- maʀtha
Night
- maʀtha
Is the goal to come up with books that are fun and not intimidating?
- Steele Lawman
I just read Tale of the Unknown Island by Saramago on Sunday, VERY short
- maʀtha
In honor of DJF, Three Men in a Boat
- maʀtha
P. G. Wodehouse
- maʀtha
Teaching a stone to Talk, Dillard
- maʀtha
Stewart O'Nan's The Odds (179 pp). Iain Pears' The Portrait (224 pp but it's effectively double-spaced).
- Marianne
All The Days & Nights - William Maxwell; Kindred - Octavia Butler; The Writing Life - Annie Dillard; On Chesil Beach - Ian McEwan
- MoTO #TeamMonique
Pines- Blake Crouch (before M. Night Shameyalan ruins it)
- Guy
The Reluctant Fundamentalist by Mohsin Hamed
- Heleninstitches
Carlos Ruiz Zafon's shorter books
- Heleninstitches
Paul Torday's might come in under 200 pages. Always intriguing... tho perhaps a bit British!
- Heleninstitches
Cowboys Are My Weakness by Pam Houston, just under 200p, flies by
- Julie Kane
@Steele: Yeah, I've refrained from listing a bunch of titles because they might be less accessible: The Bluest Eye, Henry James short novels, Faith & the Good Thing, and the book I'm reading now, Beasts of No Nation (Iweala), which is definitely not light summer reading and is stunningly good.
- maʀtha
On Bullshit, Frankfurt. Less than 100 pages, but written by a real philosopher.
- Steele Lawman
The Little Prince.
- Deborah Fitchett
Where'd you go, Bernadette?
- Elizabeth Brown
Any of Tove Jansson's non-Moomin stuff. Novels are short, others are short story collections.
- Pete #TeamMonique
Just read Buddha in the Attic. Not my favourite per se, but it's very good, quick, and unusual.
- Megan loves summer
Thank you all! The goal is to have a variety of short books and/or quick to read books. Some will be fun and some will be more intimidating, but I figure an intimidating 180 page book is much less intimidating than, say, an intimidating 680 page book.
- laura x
we would like to see the finished list, please :)
- maʀtha
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This is an interesting issue that honestly had never occurred to me before.
- barbara fister
And how I try and insult English people.
- Steele Lawman
Liking again 4 the blogpsot.
- Joe Boone
Here in Australia, where we speak British English when we are not calling everyone "maaate" and "cobber", it is "racism".
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
Nah, we use racism now too.'racialism' would be seen as 'old fashioned'
- Pete #TeamMonique
Good to know!
- lris
Oh good. Based on his most recent comment on a SK post (where Rick A., as usual, misrepresents OA publishing), Harnad's now comfortable slamming gold OA journals as part of his "all OA should be green OA" tactics. Hell, maybe he should be writing for SK, since he seems to be an Elsevier fan.
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[I will not under any circumstances link to an SK post, but it's probably not hard to find--it involves OMICS/Beall, a situation where I'm increasingly shouting "A curse on both your houses!"]
- Walt Crawford
I wonder what the average number of lunatics attracted to any one movement is? I was thinking "we have a lot" but it's really just that ours are so damn busy all the time.
- barbara fister
The average number of lunatics attracted to any one movement is 42, but the median is much higher. Add in those who have good monetary reasons to undercut the movement at every turn, and you're in the zillions (or hundreds).
- Walt Crawford
I sometimes wish someone would give Jeffrey Zeal and Stevan Blowhard actual jobs that kept them busy and off the boards.
- barbara fister
That is quite the train wreck in the comments.
- Joe Boone
We should all aspire to be a lunatic in a movement. Pick a movement, be a lunatic.
- John Dupuis
Existing lunatics be hogging all the movements #retirementmyth
- Meg V. Meg
<3 Meg V. Meg
- jambina
And Harnad is just wrong to say that a journal needs subscribers. In fact that is complete and total bullshit. A journal needs a publisher who has slapped the golden handcuffs of The Big Deal on enough libraries to make a good profit. (I know you know this better than most, Walt, I'm just constantly amazed that people like Harnad have careers.)
- Steele Lawman
Who knows if they'll let it post, but here's what I wrote in response to Harnad: "This may be the stupidest thing said yet in a long string of stupid comments here. Subscription journals most certainly do NOT need to convince subscribers of anything. That was likely taken care of years ago when the journal's publisher launched their "Big Deal" that amounted to an offer that libraries...
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- Steele Lawman
The Slug Channel would make a great YouTube Channel. "This week, we bring you exciting Banana Slug action."
- Joe Boone
That's a great comment, Steve.
- barbara fister
Thanks, Barbara. They did publish it--here's the link http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2013... Rick replied, pretty sure that I'm not a librarian and that the 1,200 non-package journals that the university of Utah subscribes to are at all relevant to the discussion. I re-replied, and I'll post the text below.
- Steele Lawman
Hi Rick. Yes, I’m a librarian at a small liberal arts college. I don’t doubt that an ARL library has 1200 individual journal subscriptions. I would also guess that the percentage of the budget those journals take up is quite small compared to the chunk that the big pigs are getting with their “Freedom Collections” and so on. It’s also interesting that you bring up cancellation when...
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- Steele Lawman
Not sure I can even read all of that train wreck, but I note one person wondering whether Beall has a hidden anti-OA agenda. NOT AT ALL. Given his recent articles, "hidden" does not apply: He's openly anti-OA. (Steve: Good comment. And good response.)
- Walt Crawford
Another five-star comment, Steve. Totally describes the revenue model these journal publishers rely on, which is about as far from a free market as my best anarchist fantasy would be. Thanks for posting it here, as I am averting my eyes.
- barbara fister
If anyone isn't averting his or her eyes and agrees with me, you could give me a thumbs up or two...
- Steele Lawman
Thumbing.
- Joe Boone
Merci.
- Steele Lawman
I, um...thumbs-upped you? Up-thumbed you? Thumbed you up? Good grief, there's no way to say this that doesn't go thataway, is there.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Expressed digital approval
- Pete #TeamMonique
Catherine, you ass.
- Steele Lawman
I think you can take my "Good comment. And good response." as being similar to a thumbs-up.
- Walt Crawford
Oh thanks, Walt. I wasn't fishing for compliments as much as I was trying to slip from a net "thumbs down" over on the blog itself.
- Steele Lawman
Shall I schedule a half dozen meetings for you? Then you just get to squeeze in one or two things :)
- Hedgehog
:) you're a pal
- maʀtha
I can help you out there. LearnRT events are all you need to attend. QED.
- ♫410 I Coach 'em Up♫
And LearnRT is partnering with LITA for five programs, so we'll need you at those as well
- Hedgehog
There are at least four things I want to attend in most of the major timeslots. Problematic.
- Jenica
Council makes it even more fun :) There are at least four things I want to attend that take place during every Council meeting.
- ~Courtney F
not helping :)
- maʀtha
Remember: no matter how interesting the panel or program sounds, the only thing that really matters is which sub-sub-group scheduled and organized it.
- Steele Lawman
that feeling you get when there were four good choices, you made one, and you keep thinking "I should have gone to one of the other ones"....Though honestly, I just went to two conferences and either got very lucky or librarians are doing a lot better at presenting than a few years ago.
- barbara fister
Barbara, that feeling accounts for approximately two-thirds of my conferencegoing experience. (Especially at LOEXen.) My variant of the Steve Principle is to choose based on who's presenting, not based on the topic.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Personally, I'd rather be at a conference with tons of stuff I want to attend and make choices. The alternative is a conference with just 1 in 5-10 being good/interesting and that seems far worse!
- Lisa Hinchliffe
I didn't mean to be snarky. I too often forget this fact and end up at a panel whose title is something like "Instruction in the Undergraduate Classroom," but it's offered by the Anthropology sub-sub committee or something, and is full of disciplinary concerns that I don't share. And Catherine is spot-on: if it's someone you trust to not waste your time, your odds are so much better.
- Steele Lawman
And yeah, I can see Lisa's point that overwhelming may be better than underwhelming. But either way is whelming, and sub-optimal.
- Steele Lawman
Just curious what's optimal then? I'm serious in asking this because I plan a lot of conferences!
- Lisa Hinchliffe
Steve, I didn't read you as snarky (no, really!) - I was snarking at you (poorly?)... Lisa, optimal would be a very targeted conference with a solid track of everything I wanted to see laid out is a way that I could get to all of it (which is, of course, unlikely at best)
- awd
Having all the committee meetings at the same time is logical, but creates problems if one is interested in more than one ACRL section or interest group. There's the health sciences folks, but I'm also considering instruction or distance learning.
- maʀtha
Martha i haven't seen you in forever YAYAYAYAYAY!
- jambina
To be fair, I think that "optimal" is subjective, so maybe ALA is optimal for someone. I personally find that an event which is all in one building (or perhaps a very small number of adjacent buildings, as on a campus) to be optimal. I'm no longer very interested in the content of Internet Librarian or Computers in Libraries, but the size, scope, and number of concurrent sessions seemed...
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- Steele Lawman
Size makes sense to me re optimal but I'm trying to figure out what kind of content organization wouldn't have multiple good sessions conflicting and also wouldn't have just one good session at a time. Well, logically, I'd guess that be "no good sessions" ... but, that's probably not what we'd be going for ...
- Lisa Hinchliffe
Honestly, I have never had sympathy for those who complain that all the "good" programs are scheduled at the same time. There's no way to avoid that. But if you have a reasonably-sized conference, then people can start in one room and if it's not to their taste, they can go somewhere else. That's often impossible at ALA where the 4 things that sound good are literally miles from one another.
- Steele Lawman
Lisa, the upside of the "no good sessions" approach is that it makes it very easy for us to decide whether to attend the conference or not. #nothelpful
- Catherine Pellegrino
CP - well, true enough! But, I sort of enjoy planning ones people WANT to attend. :)
- Lisa Hinchliffe
With the Assessment Committee, reading departmental assessment reports. And, like, assessing them. Who assesses the assessors' assessors?
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As Catherine likes to say, it's turtles all the way down.
- Steele Lawman
The Oversight Committee, I assume.
- Meg V. Meg
C came back from some AAC&U thing all in a tizzy because one of the regional accreditors (Western States) has a thing where your college has to assess its assessment plan. I think that rates an omgwtfbbq, wouldn't you say?
- Catherine Pellegrino
I believe the Committee on Committees appoints someone from the Department of Redundancy Department to oversee such assessments.
- laura x
Ah, is that the new name for the Ministry of General Interference? I thought they outsourced it to Pearson.
- barbara fister
*snort*
- maʀtha
You know, I gotta admit, I think assessing the assessment plan is the right number of turtles, at least here. At our college, it's very difficult to get ONE plan for anything. What we have is more of a call from the dean's office to the individual academic departments to assess student learning as she is done in their own departments--setting goals, learning outcomes, coming up with...
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- Steele Lawman
My brain refuses to even read this thread.
- Deborah Fitchett
We just went through our accreditation visit. I chaired the assessment of assessment committee last time around and we squeaked by. This time, they were less zealous about the "we're going to assess whether you have a sufficiently developed culture of assessment" thing.
- barbara fister
Ah, see, we *didn't* squeak by last time.
- Steele Lawman
Lazy Sunday Service - http://theviewfromthebluehouse...
This post is more about the crisis in Ireland than crime fiction, though crime certainly fed into the crisis.
- Rob
Thanks for your paper and slide presentation, Rob. Have downloaded it and will be reading it soon Quite interested in what's going on in Ireland and how it compares to Spain. Do you happen to know if there are any papers about this comparison. I can't find much data about the Spanish situation. Sareb (the Spanish bad bank) website is an excellent example of lack of transparency. It's all blah, blah, blah.
- Jose Ignacio
You could try this post (http://irelandafternama.wordpress.com/2011...) which summarizes this academic paper (http://ideas.repec.org/a...) the final version of which was published in the International Journal of Urban and Regional Research. Or take a look at http://ebook.law.uiowa.edu/ebook.... I'll have a hunt around and see if I can find anything else.
- Rob
Rob, a very interesting slide presentation. In the SW England we have our own "ghost estates". Villages that are 80% second homes and deserted most of the year, and large numbers of retirement homes places promising "village life in Devon's capital" if you have £250,000 for starters and the money for maintenance charges and rates.
- Norman
Thanks for your info Rob.
- Jose Ignacio
Wow, what a great companion piece to Broken Harbor. Fascinating and depressing.
- barbara fister
I wouldn't want to overplay the link between the crisis in Ireland and boom in Irish crime fiction, but it certainly provides a rich vein for plots. And, of course, as yet no-one has gone to prison for bankrupting the country.
- Rob
That impunity seems to have been globalized.
- barbara fister
I wonder why I can no longer get Twitter to feed into here? Hmm....
I've only been able to get it to work through advanced tweets
- Sir Shuping is just sir
i believe the native feed stopped when twitter made an API change a while back.
- holly #ravingfangirl
Advanced tweets! Do you get to send whole paragraphs?
- barbara fister
Has anyone read Invisible Murder by Lene Kaaberbol and Agnete Friis? Any review?
I liked it very much. Concerns Roma in Hungary, immigrants in Denmark, and some dangerous smuggled goods. Second in the series after Boy in the Suitcase.
- barbara fister
from iPhone
Reading it at the moment, 1/3rd in.
- Karen Meek
If you want Walt Crawford to unglue his book "The Big Deal and the Damage Done" you can wish for it at https://unglue.it/work/120545/ just don't expect him to change into an extrovert over night.
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Hi there Eric. You sure know how to enter an online community!
- lris
Well, I know half the people here already.
- Eric Hellman
So this would unglue the book, but not Walt himself?
- Steele Lawman
we can't unglue Walt because there's no ISBN for him and OCLC won't catalog him.
- Eric Hellman
At one point my library was seriously considering cataloging the liaisons so that we'd end up appearing when people searched for our topics of expertise. If we did that, could I be unglued?
- lris
no time to read all the instructions - do i have to pledge an amount or is wishlisting it enough?
- Christina Pikas
wishlisting is enough
- Eric Hellman
Unhinged?
- Steele Lawman
Iris, if the liaisons get their own Worldcat records, then maybe. We could start "unbalance.it".
- Eric Hellman
It might be easier to come unglued all by myself...
- lris
I'm on Van Halen's "Unchained" myself.
- Steele Lawman
Joe, I love that video. And David Lee Roth is the hotness.
- Steele Lawman
There are some threads I'd just as soon stay out of.
- Walt Crawford
Okay, I have wished! My son is very good at ungluing things, but I suspect he's a little too young to have an account.
- laura x
Walt, if I were you, I would stay out of David Lee Roth's threads.
- Joe Boone
I would note one thing: Buying the book may have more of an effect than wishing for it. At $9.95 (and you *own* the PDF--no DRM, free to lend it, free to resell it), it's not a massive commitment.
- Walt Crawford
Tied for #45 on the most-wished list with "Watchmen" and Tufte's "Display of Quantitative Information". https://unglue.it/lists...
- Eric Hellman
Can't we declare Walt a National Treasure and get him archived and cataloged that way?
- Cameron Neylon
As the person who originally raised this issue,I am glad to see interest, and if Walt decide to go for it I'll put down more money to unglue it. But I think I'll just say that here.
- barbara fister
Cameron: No. I'm no treasure, national or local (I'm mostly a grumpy but curious old twice-fired has-been), and National Treasure doesn't carry funding.
- Walt Crawford
[The "but curious" is, of course, what leads to the public library non-closure study, the academic library "circ is falling everywhere" study, Give Us a Dollar...and The Big Deal and the Damage Done. Curiosity combined with reasonable writing and adequate numeracy is a terrible, terrible thing.]
- Walt Crawford
Looking at this again...Cameron, thanks very much for saying that. I'm feeling a little grumpy and not at all like a treasure. It happens.
- Walt Crawford
No problem. I think we all feel a bit grumpy and unappreciated sometimes...sometimes justified, sometimes not, but always human.
- Cameron Neylon
I'm setting up a summer project and it suddenly occurred to me - maybe someone already did this. I want to compile lists of big-name journals in disciplines we teach and what the OA policy is for each (preprint, postprint, PDF, noway nowhow, unknown). Has anyone already compiled this?
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I got this idea from a presenter at the Michigan Library Association academic libraries conference. Helps show faculty that yes, you can. Except when you can't.
- barbara fister
I did a short list of (gold) OA vs subscription journals for Chemistry once. I think I grabbed the top x by impact factor from SciMago, then looked each one up in DOAJ - was basically to show that there are a bunch of high impact OA places to publish in. The obvious flaw to the approach was that it wasn't very balanced in terms of subdisciplines. Plus it was manual so doing it for lots of disciplines would be a nuisance.
- Deborah Fitchett
I may have students work on this over the summer. If it's not already out there, I'd be happy to share it when it's compiled.
- barbara fister
You could use SHERPA/RoMEO for the OA info.
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
This would be amazing.
- Meg V. Meg
I suspect you could repurpose the Google Scripts used to automate the Sherpa ROMEO queries described here http://journal.code4lib.org/article... if you started out with a spreadsheet listing ISSNs.
- Heather
One for LIS would have made the task of selecting a home for the article I just submitted SO MUCH EASIER.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Double Agent Fister got a hero call out in the comments of a recent Bloggess post. http://thebloggess.com/2013... See Comment 30
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"she is the shiznit."
- Joe Boone
<3
- RepoRat
I may put shiznit on my CV as job title while trying to overcome Midwestern sinking-through-the-earth feeling.
- barbara fister
from iPhone
Tell them this is your website? http://bit.ly/14yjzAu translated through gizoogle.
- Joe Boone
I detoured tha fuck into darkness. Sheeeee-it.
- barbara fister
*laughing*
- RepoRat
"Curiositizzle." *dead*
- LB: #TeamMonique
from Android
"'Fista be a masta of plottin n' pacin . . . first-rate.' Steve Weinberg, Da Star Tribune."
- Joe Boone
Q for the hive brain: I have a recollection of a journal that was OA, was purchased and taken closed. The content remained available via PMC but was not linked from the publisher site which now appeared as a subscription journal...anyone point me in that direction?
is it this one? http://gclibrary.commons.gc.cuny.edu/2013...
- RepoRat
It wasn't the one that I had in mind but its a nice example. I'm recalling a UK blog post, might have been Oxford University Press
- Cameron Neylon
I think there was a math one? Went from oa to like Oxford or something?
- Christina Pikas
from iPhone
Was it ILAR? http://nas-sites.org/ilarjou...
- Hedgehog
Not the subject you are looking for, but I am pretty sure that Folklorica used to be free since it was listed in a "Free Online Journals" database, and now it charges subscriptions, https://ojsprdap.vm.ku.edu/index... (Folklorica, Journal of the Slavic and East European Folkore Association. ISSN 1920-0242.)
- Joe Boone
The one I was thinking of was presumably biomedical because the content is/was in PMC but keep the examples coming! The more the merrier. These examples are to point out why the publisher position that "PMC is duplication of effort" is not true.
- Cameron Neylon
BePress journals are not biomedical, but were sold and closed. (Although I guess they were sort of quasi-OA?)
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Years ago I published a piece in SIMILE - at the time out of U of Toronto Press and OA - and it migrated to a US university and suddenly was no longer open. And now, apparently, has ceased. Gee, why would that happen?
- barbara fister
Dislike.
- barbara fister
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and the local newspaper is apparently trying to extract a $60 license fee from people who want to link to their site.
- DJF
SMASH
- jambina
I told her that if I was going to be rude, I'd say that they were lying to her.
- DJF
Can you ask her for a copy of that email?
- copystar
wow. i'm fuming.
- jambina
tell me about it. They are truly desperate. I gave her Sam's name for a second opinion, but he's out of the office for the long weekend already.
- DJF
Well....then
- Sir Shuping is just sir
from FFHound(roid)!
Jeff: http://lmgtfy.com/...
- DJF
local paper = London Free Press http://www.lfpress.com/ which is part of the Quebecor / Sun / Canoe group
- copystar
Is this true or true-ish in Canada? Can't be, right?
- Steele Lawman
Rats - she should call back and ask to have this in writing - and if they don't.. well it's a dammed if they do, dammed if they don't situation, isn't it?
- copystar
huh...OCLC just announced that Skip Prichard would be taking over as CEO.
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a quick search-engine search suggests "ew."
- RepoRat
this guy is the empty-suitiest empty suit that ever empty-suited.
- RepoRat
thought leader!
- kendrak
"turnaround CEO" ?
- Hedgehog
Oh. No.
- barbara fister
from iPhone
didn't he get the boot from ingram last year?
- jambina
Disrupt some innovation?
- barbara fister
from iPhone
Disappointing.
- barbara fister
from iPhone
jambina, i believe so. looks like he got the boot from proquest a few years ago
- Sir Shuping is just sir
if I worked for OCLC Research I would be like "ALL HANDS TO THE LIFEBOATS" right now. I sure as hell hope I'm wrong.
- RepoRat
I'm sure he's a swell guy & family man and all that jazz. But man, step AWAY from the stock photographs! http://www.skipprichard.com/
- Steele Lawman
no joke. and the "lookit me with awkwardly-smiling Important People!" shots.
- RepoRat
Mssr. P. I live here in MD. And we do NOT put Old Bay on everything. Please let that be some form of folksy hyperbole. And Tony Blair's Comment "The art of leadership is saying no, not yes. It is very easy to say yes." can go jump off a bridge. Easy to say yes indeed.
- ♫410 I Coach 'em Up♫
I sometimes put Old Bay on my fries.
- Julian
Dude, you don't carry it on your person AT ALL TIMES do you?
- ♫410 I Coach 'em Up♫
People put old bay on deviled eggs. In Maryland.
- Christina Pikas
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Most places have it so you don't have to carry it
- Christina Pikas
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EBSCO and Ex Libris slapfight. Pass the popcorn. http://t.co/wdZFuT5Gfb
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Like Terrell Owens, I have my popcorn ready.
- Julian
*munch munch munch* (We're in the middle of this: we're an Ex Libris shop, looking to activate Primo Central soon, and the bulk of our database content comes from EBSCO.)
- Catherine Pellegrino
Highly entertaining. But, evidence of exactly why we need to remember and act like we are in the midst of a bunch of business deals, not altruistic nonprofits (even if that is our role - which may also be debatable).
- Lisa Hinchliffe
Yes. One of the things I like best about this is Orbis Cascade Alliance's tone.
- Catherine Pellegrino
If Ex Libris just got the metadata from the publishers in EBSCO's databases directly, then SFX would sort it out, since EBSCO metadata is in SFX. But it'd be nice if EBSCO would play ball a little more.
- Zamms
Now entering The Octagon...
- Marie
What language is that signature from Matti in?
- Joe Boone
Hebrew. Ex Libris is based out of Israel.
- Catherine Pellegrino
I'm not allowed to talk about why we didn't implement Primo at MfPOW a few years back.
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
Stephanie, did you sign a non-disclosure document about it?
- copystar
The Orbis Cascade Board of Directors are my new favorite people.
- Jenica
Now that makes sense (concerning the sig.)
- Joe Boone
this rocks.
- jambina
In related news, does anyone know if ebrary content is indexed by EDS?
- Meg V. Meg
not any more. (I don't know)
- DJF
Could someone explain this to me like I'm five, please?
- Andy
EBSCO owns content. Ex Libris would like to include that content in its Primo discovery layer, so that users at libraries who subscribe to the EBSCO products can find it using the library's single search box. EBSCO says, "No. If you want to access the EBSCO metadata, you need to subscribe to OUR discovery layer."
- DJF
Ebsco, like Proquest, is in the position of providing both content and a discovery tool. They are taking the lead in ensuring that their content is best/only accessed via THEIR discovery tool. As a result, Ex Libris's discovery tool can't effectively access EBSCO content. And all commercial entities in the game are failing to play nicely with each other.
- Jenica
(Two of us assessed it about the same at the same time, so you know we must be right. AND AWESOME.)
- Jenica
I support Orbis Cascade's position that if EBSCO and Ex Libris won't play together, then neither of them gets any money. Of course, in this particular case, that's not really fair to Ex Libris, who has no control over what EBSCO lets them see.
- DJF
I'm in love with the fact that a library organization is standing up and, in public, plainly asserting its right as a paying customer to demand better of the industry. Fuck. Yes.
- Jenica
Gotcha. Thanks!
- Andy
Also: discovery layers are serious business.
- Andy
I think EBSCO's fucking this up. They need to build a wall between the discovery business and the content business, and fast. Because if the content business is not indexed in a neutral way, then people using Primo or Summon will not find the EBSCO content. If people don't find the content, it doesn't get used. And that's how databases get cancelled.
- DJF
O_o
- Hedgehog
The timing of this memo is odd as we learned a few weeks ago that EBSCO has agreed to re-do the API. I'm more upset with ProQuest They won't even offer us an API to use with Primo.
- Jen
One comment I've heard regarding this situation is that their library holdings are only a small part of EBSCO's portfolio. Of course you would think Proquest, who has a higher percentage of library content, would care more.
- Elizabeth Brown
It's a good thing I wasn't eating popcorn when I got to "and use sub-standard API" at the bottom of page 2, or it'd be all over my keyboard now. It's like when you're trying *really really hard* to be the unbiased voice of reason in a debate but then a "plus your product sucks!" just slips out there.
- Deborah Fitchett
It would have been handy to have all of pop into view last month when we had Serials Solutions, EBSCO, and ExLibris deliver back to back one-hour discovery layer pitches to our consortium. It was my first full-on vendor experience post MLIS and I was alternately amused and appalled by the EBSCO hard core FUD.
- Heather
Heather, FUD is EBSCO's primary product line. We've all seen that in action.
- DJF
I used to work in a comms unit that supported sales guys and anytime the FUD was rolled out it was a clear sign of a product line in trouble and/or sales reps that didn't understand or respect their audience. Sales rep tactics appear to be a transferrable skill.
- Heather
"there is an inherent conflict of interest when content providers attempt to control a library’s choice of discovery." But since their interest is to make money, as much as possible, and control as many markets as they can, where's the conflict? I'm glad there's pushback, but why would we NOT expect a company to vertically integrate and resist sharing? In some ways its more a conflict of public interest for libraries to rely on these bozos.
- barbara fister
I'm just left saying "This is why you can't have nice discovery tools."
- Zamms
Must say I first read Ebsco's response and it was a very good attempt to cloud Pmatters, I was almost convinced..., shows how much I know about discovery :P Anyway I never quite got why it's always about ebscohost , Proquest does the same. Or is it because their databases have metadata that can be obtained in other ways?
- aarontay
Yes, Barbara, yes. If you're a librarian, Ebsco's position looks ethically sketchy. If you're a business analyst, they appear to have a sound strategy. Ex Libris's positioning of themselves as The Good Guys Fighting The Good Fight for libraries pisses me off, because i don't believe for a second that, if they "win" and Ebsco opens up their data, Ex Libris won't turn around and try to...
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- Jenica
Aaron, what is the link to the EBSCO response?
- Joe Boone
All of them here: http://www.orbiscascade.org/index...
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
how did ProQuest / Serials Solutions / Summon get around this?
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
They go to the journal publishers and get the metadata. It's not 100% of say CINAHL, but maybe 90%+ but of course it's very "thin metadata" (ebsco's term), sometimes not even abstract or subject headings and usually no full text. It can make quite a difference sometimes.
- aarontay
Thanks Jackyn.
- Joe Boone
A message went around at my Primo-using library this morning saying that use of our EBSCO full text resources have declined 64% and use of their indexes 73%. I think we'll be looking for this content elsewhere...
- Megan loves summer
phew. well, I can't say I'm sorry to see this chickenshit tactic backfire.
- RepoRat
I like most of my EBSCO contacts, but the guy they had delivering the FUD sales pitch when we looked at EDS last year really turned me off.
- Royce's favorite Anna
Two RAs just found volume 1 of the Anchor Bible Dictionary when cleaning out the laundry room in their dorm. It had been missing for weeks and we were about to order a replacement volume. o.0
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wow.
- RepoRat
Nuthin like stealing books to finish your religion paper.
- barbara fister
the optimist in me is happy that the resource was used.
- Marie
please tell me it wasn't propping up the laundry table
- maʀtha
that stuff happens at our school every year.
- Marianne
Yeah, this seems par for the course to me!
- Steele Lawman
Being reminded in various ways that Steele was more than right in saying "It's not always about you"--that most of the time I'm entirely irrelevant to whatever's going on, despite my best efforts and intentions. Which, I suppose, describes most of us much of the time. (Time to go offline and go to lunch, I guess.)
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Wait, let me have that sandwich. Who said it's for you? :p
- barbara fister
Too late. (And it wasn't a sandwich, it was General's Chicken with hot & sour soup and assorted fried rice, at my favorite family-run local Chinese restaurant. Same as ever Monday, actually.)
- Walt Crawford
And, barbara, you're one of those who keep me from saying "The hell with it." There are a few dozen others, mostly on FF.
- Walt Crawford
Well. One of the things I've learned since graduating library school is that sometimes "the hell with it" is the right and appropriate thing to say.
- RepoRat
Yep. And sometimes it isn't. I'm not ready to say "the hell with it" for overall involvement in/writing about libraries, open whatever, etc. Individual issues: Yes, done that at times, will in the future.
- Walt Crawford
liking for barbara's comment :) heehee
- maʀtha
Saw this, thought you might be interested: https://magpielibrarian.wordpress.com/2013.... Much commenting. BTW: ". . . and outfitted in fine woolen suits." May I please now switch to seersucker?
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woolen suits!
- barbara fister
I've been sort-of following that maze of threads on Facebook (ALATT group). Even added a fact at one point. Two, actually. (As one of few non-librarians in the discussion, I will avoid noting who does & doesn't actually look something up...)
- Walt Crawford
Not this fucking story. Not here.
- Andy
I think maybe I'm in agreement with Andy on this one--maybe letting it ferment in FB is appropriate.
- Walt Crawford
Looks like Magpie and HuffPo author deserve each other.
- Steele Lawman
Seriously, in the nineties here. Someone needs to say something clever we can use as a new tagline.
- maʀtha
^^^^ second sentence, new tagline?
- Andy
First milestone on The Big Deal and the Damage Done: Now in double-digit sales. (If it hits triple digits, there will probably be a 2012 followup.) Including two sales each in Canada and the UK. Since my only promise to my wife was that the book would sell well enough to cover the cost of my own paperback copy, it's a good start.
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Good title
- maʀtha
Is there any chance we could unglue this? I'd love to force it upon people who may not want to read it but should.
- barbara fister
I would be in like Flynn. Want my students to read this.
- RepoRat
I think unglue.it only works with titles that have been Traditionally Published but a) I could be wrong and b) anyway that's no reason we couldn't do the same thing separately from them.
- Deborah Fitchett
If you mean "for a given price, would I make the PDF version free"? The answer is...Absolutely. And that price would assure that a 2012 version gets done. I'm still considering something-like-Kickstartr for a second (and much improved) version of Give Us a Dollar..., and certainly a sponsored/prepaid version of this is reasonable.
- Walt Crawford
The question is how that could actually happen. Not sure the unglue.it technique will work. Ideas welcome.
- Walt Crawford
what's your concern about unglue.it?
- RepoRat
I don't have a concern about unglue.it, but I'm assuming that Deborah's right. If it *would* work, that's OK too. (If the end result is a $0.00 Lulu PDF--which Lulu still supports--or mounting the PDF elsewhere.)
- Walt Crawford
oh, I see. well, I can have a chat with Andromeda Yelton. :)
- RepoRat
I just looked at the unglue.it FAQs. It appears to *require* an EPUB that "meets our quality standards"--and an EPUB would require quite a bit more work for me (as in, right now I don't know how I'd do that), and it seems that rightsholders are expected to do the publicity and come up with all sorts of premiums.
- Walt Crawford
So: Not ruling anything out, but there are definitely some hurdles. Of course, if I had appropriate ongoing sponsorship or appropriate revenue-producing affiliation, most of this would be moot: I'd cheerfully give the stuff away for the good of the community. (Or, hell, if the Fed wasn't so actively punishing savers...)
- Walt Crawford
happy to epub it for you, Walt. and i would happily put you in touch with Andromeda to talk about publicity/premiums/etc.
- jambina
All possible. Of course, so far only 11 people have thought it worth $9.99 or $16.50 to read it, so this all may be a little premature.
- Walt Crawford
Depends on what the market actually is. I haven't bought in because I don't personally need the details... but I'd damn straight pay to unglue it, because then it would be there for All The Librarians and All The Students and All The Faculty.
- RepoRat
Realistically, though, would enough people do that to bring in, say, $6,000 (plus costs of unglue.it and premiums)? I know that 80% of publishing campaigns on Kickstartr fail... And just having it available for free on unglue.it doesn't mean it *reaches* the librarians and students and faculty. If the market is, say, 50 copies for a nominal $9.99 a copy but LOTS OF COPIES if it's free...
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- Walt Crawford
And yes, that thought has come to mind: If it's important [ACRL |ARL | IMLS | Gates | SPARC | OCLC | whoever...] would already be doing it, so it must not be important.
- Walt Crawford
FYI I'm talking with Andromeda and have sent her a link to this thread.
- RepoRat
Hi, it's Eric from Unglue.it. Sounds like the book has been published, so no problem there. We've had print books converted to high quality epub for $500, so that shouldn't be a huge barrier; there are programs (such as that used by Internet archive) that turn PDF into epub automatically; if you know html you can do cleanup by hand. If you prefer to hire someone, I suggest asking for a quote on bibliocrunch.com- you can do conversion contingent on campaign success.
- Eric Hellman
Also PDF-only is OK if the work has a huge amount of layout that won't work well in epub.
- Eric Hellman
Eric: The book is *mostly* figures and tables (94 graphs and 58 tables). In fact, there's only about 19,000 words of text. It strikes me that PDF-to-EPUB is the wrong way to go if I do this--if I was doing a Kindle version, I'd work from Word (striking running headers & footers), which would be a snap assuming Kindle's conversion managed the reintegration of the 94 figures properly.
- Walt Crawford
I suspect the more important issues are setting a price, how much of my time/effort is required for a campaign, and like that.
- Walt Crawford
LSW whip-round for premiums, mebbe? I don't have a whole lot to offer that's tangible, but I can talk to cont-ed about seats in one of my classes. I could even offer a daylong zero-honorarium expenses-only training trip, though I'd want that to be for a pretty big donation! (Tailored webinar for smaller donation also fine; I could offer 3-5 of these?)
- RepoRat
Word to Epub is even easier.https://www.google.com/search...
- Eric Hellman
in addition to the methods suggested by google, also consider Smashwords- you get distribution there as well.
- Eric Hellman
I'm off to hike shortly. Lemme think about this. If you've been reading my blog lately, you can already guess the likely <net> price. It may be worth pursuing. (I like the idea that a 2012 version would be more-or-less guaranteed.)
- Walt Crawford
If you decide to go the crowdfunding route, remember that the funds you can raise reflect your social capital rather than anything about the book itself. Average your pageviews per week and your social media followers, and that's more or less the social capital you can draw on.
- Eric Hellman
Eric: My social capital is...peculiar. My blog has absurdly high pageviews (average 5,360/day this year), for reasons unknown. On Facebook, I have 245 Friends and 29 Followers (and almost no activity). Here, I have 208 subscribers--probably the most meaningful number. (LinkedIn? 290, I think. Google+? 497, I think. Twitter, 128. But I'm only really active here.)
- Walt Crawford
Oh, and Klout currently has me at 43--nowhere near, say, Sarah Glassmeyer or Michael Sauer. Anyway: Got a message from Andromeda. I'll be pondering this in the next day or two.
- Walt Crawford
Walt, does the book not have an ISBN? I was unable to find it on LuLu.
- Eric Hellman
Eric: The book does not have an ISBN, since I wanted to keep it cheap so didn't plan on non-Lulu distribution. You should have no trouble finding it on Lulu, either searching for Walt Crawford or for Big Deal Damage (without "damage," some other books show up first). (Just tried it: with big deal damage as a search, the two versions are the first two results.)
- Walt Crawford
Folks in general: So far, nobody's added a comment to my blog post or sent me email suggesting the kind of premiums that might work. Other than custom group profiles or signed copies of the limited number of author's copies of my two most recent professionally-published books, I need suggestions...both for their own good and as indications of widespread interest.
- Walt Crawford
Hmm. Come to think of it, I could also offer signed copies of my older professionally-published books, about two dozen in all, but since there are typically only one or two of each book, it would be an odd offering (most of these are OP and unavailable--and more memories than useful).
- Walt Crawford
I have an open educational resources project that will produce a physical object (an "artist" book) assuming I manage to complete it. Producing more than one isn't difficult once the initial work is done and I'd be willing to donate a copy or two for a good cause.
- Rebecca Hedreen
Walt, you do realize that libraries are non-Lulu distribution, don't you? Unglue.it cannot at present handle items that claim to be books that don't have isbns or oclc numbers, or are in Google Books. Let me know if this is an issue for you, as we have remedies.
- Eric Hellman
Eric: If you mean libraries can't buy from Lulu, I'll suggest that's not true. I can, of course, get an ISBN if I want to issue a new edition--but a Lulu ISBN has to stay with Lulu. I'd guess there will be an OCLC number for the book pretty soon. Oh, wait: There already is: 841810944 - U.Missouri cataloged an ebook copy RAPIDLY!
- Walt Crawford
Rebecca, Thanks--as with RR, I may take you up on the offer, although it feels a little odd to have other people providing the premiums. (This whole thing's a little odd for me, probably why I never actually tried Kickstartr for a project...I need to become more entrepreneurial, tough at my advanced age.)
- Walt Crawford
Walt- Can libraries buy ebooks from Lulu? Also, an OCLC number makes it work with unglue.it
- Eric Hellman
I hear Neil Young singing this title everytime
- maʀtha
Eric: I don't see why libraries can't buy ebooks from Lulu as well as anybody else can (I'm pretty sure they do). And, as noted, the book now has an OCLC number, 841810944
- Walt Crawford
For everybody except self-publishers, Lulu is a big online bookstore, with a few million titles, selling print books, ebooks, calendars and other stuff. On the other hand, Lulu won't invoice and do all that stuff, so *some* libraries may have difficulties. (Isn't that true with Amazon as well?)
- Walt Crawford
[Note: I made a "more standard" version of Give Us a Dollar... available via Amazon, with ISBN and everything, using CreateSpace. To date, that version has sold two (2) copies, compared to the 81 sold through Lulu for editions that don't have ISBNs. I know at least some and probably most of those sales are to libraries.]
- Walt Crawford
Update: I now have a response from Andromeda about my first-cut goals & premiums. Here's how I would summarize the response (although possibly not what was intended): "1. Become an extrovert. 2. Become more of an extrovert. 3. Become an entrepreneur. 4. Start calling lots of those close friends you have--you do have lots of close friends you'd call personally, right?--to promote this....
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- Walt Crawford
I'll look at this again shortly, but it looks much as I saw it for successful and unsuccessful Kickstarter campaigns: These are tools for extroverts/entrepreneurs.
- Walt Crawford
OK, here's where things stand. I've responded to Andromeda at some length. I just don't see how unglue.it can work for me, as an introvert without a Huge Social Network who hates the phone and doesn't much care for begging friends, and who's neither a self-promoter nor a marketer. Which does NOT mean that the "free version" is out of the question--there's another, simpler way, which I'll probably propose in a few days.
- Walt Crawford
[Gotta admit, Eric H. hasn't helped matters--as always seemed to be the case when we interacted years ago, he seems to me to regard me as an amiable incompetent, and while he may be right, that doesn't make me want to jump through hoops to give away my work on his terms.]
- Walt Crawford
So, we had to improve our code a bit, for reasons not really related to TBDATDD, but it has an unglue.it page: https://unglue.it/work/120545/ People can now "wish" for the book, so you can assess the feasibililty of ungluing it without any particular commitment.
- Eric Hellman
As far as "amiable incompetent" is concerned, I've always regarded you as neither amiable nor incompetent! "Aways-correct curmudgeon" would be a better statement of my impression of you.
- Eric Hellman
Also, it's funny, but Andromeda is quite a lot like Walt!
- Eric Hellman
Today while Sunday Librarianing, I start Project Digitize Binders From My Formal Education:
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Whee?
- LB: #TeamMonique
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oh, now that's a good idea. are you scanning to PDF or what?
- Marie
Yep, scanning to PDF
- lris
So far, I found the toast I gave to my baby brother in speech class, and my "electronic communications" class wherein I learned to save files and change fonts in WordPerfect 7 during the week labeled "Power tools and system software."
- lris
88 pages of notes from taking my dad's super-scary required course as a sophomore.
- lris
Freshman and Sophomore years done. Only 6 more years to go...
- lris
Digitize and dispose of?
- Steele Lawman
yes
- lris
this is a very good idea. I wonder if I could get my husband to agree to it. At least for the dang Chinese he hasn't looked at in twenty years.
- RepoRat
I'm about to chuck out my notes from undergrad. So long Old Saxon, Middle Dutch, and Middle High German. Well... maybe not Middle Dutch. My translations of Eulenspiegel are hilarious.
- kendrak
I did the same thing years and years ago. Except I didn't scan them first. In many cases, I didn't take them first.
- Steele Lawman
Iris helped me throw mine out a few years go. i haven't missed them a bit
- maʀtha
Every now and then I go through all my stuff and toss a little more. There are some things I'm glad I've kept, but most are just food for silverfish.
- Deborah Fitchett
steve, if i find the notebook of the nazi history class i took where you can clearly see where i fell asleep each week, i'll scan a page. i eventually gave up towards the end.
- kendrak
"Food for silverfish" is going to be my new nasty epithet
- maʀtha
you people don't move often enough if you've still got that stuff.
- DJF
i'm still in the same apartment i lived in when i took some of those classes!
- kendrak
I've moved several times...
- lris
I threw out most of my notes from college and grad school. In fact, I remember burning physics notes.
- Laura H.
Oh yes, I had a burning notes party with some of my friends from my math class. Good times. :-)
- lris
I had no idea people kept notes. I rarely kept them in class. (Hello, soulmate Steve!)
- barbara fister
To be fair, I was a theatre major and spent most of my time pretending I was a lion or pretending I knew how to use a pneumatic nail gun, or something like that. Can't put that kind of real-world experience in a binder.
- Steele Lawman
All I have from my formal education is my undergrad dissertation, my Masters dissertation, and a few notes from my library course.
- Pete #TeamMonique
Who would win in a fight, a giant silverfish with a binder in each claw, or a lion with a nail gun?
- Jason P
I used to take all my notes home and dump them in my childhood bedroom. That backfired when my mom made me bring them all home with me when I moved them to La Crosse. I spent a long weekend reliving most of college, which brought down the amount of paperwork considerably. Still need to plug in my scanner and get the rest of it digitized.
- Hedgehog
DJF, I moved 14 times in 10 years, and I still have all that crap.
- laura x
The last time (15 years ago or more) that I had to scan important documents, the OCR capability proved pretty marginal. I'm guessing that they've improved substantially? At the time I mostly just tossed stuff, cases and cases of stuff, because we were moving from Seattle to the Twin Cities and my spouse said "No way we're moving all of that crap." Haven't missed it since.
- Jkram|ɯɐɹʞſ
And yes, the silverfish factor played a role in my decision.
- Jkram|ɯɐɹʞſ
It's been a lot of fun looking at some of this stuff again. Who knows if I'll look at it ever again, but maybe in another 10 or 15 years I'll page through again and have another nostalgia fest.
- lris
my eternal problem is figuring out what undergrad English texts to keep or give away. Even though I don't really like classic literature, I'm always so conflicted about "but it's Norton's Anthology of [whatever], it's classic!"
- MontglaneChess
Oh yeah. I still have my Nortons. I will NEVER read them. Even if I want to read things in them, I'd read them in separate volumes.
- lris
What barbara sez. Class over: Notes gone.
- Walt Crawford
Burning math and physics notes. Blasphemy, I tell ya.
- Joe Boone
Burning chemistry notes, on the other hand, seems entirely appropriate. Even better if you could get them to explode or dissolve somehow.
- Steele Lawman
Hydrochloric acid should do the trick.
- Joe Boone
I took notes in lecture/exam courses but not really in discussion/project courses. I kept all my papers, though, except the ones from one course. I wish I hadn't tossed those because there was a lot of drama surrounding that course and I want to remember what I actually wrote.
- lris
I have notes I took in GRADE SCHOOL.
- laura x
I would be such a terrible archivist. I throw away ALL THE THINGS. Wait, maybe I would be a half-good archivist.
- barbara fister
out of sheer curiosity, how often do you reckon your invoices from vendors get lost in the mail/never arrive for whatever reason? We've had a tiny handful of incidents this year.
We had a major disaster one year - $25K worth of bills discovered at year's end, when the money was gone. (A personnel change, invoices only via that person's email...)
- barbara fister
wow. what did you do, Barbara?
- RepoRat
@_@ well *there's* another reason I should be pushing harder for a centralized email address for the department....
- MontglaneChess
happens a lot. vendors we've had relationships with for like 20 - 40 years all the sudden send our bills to other libraries in our parent institution. also our financial person got rif'd a few years back and she refused to change address with any of the vendors, shredded all the current records, and refused to forward any e-mails... yep.
- Christina Pikas
We were in the red, got the frowny face from biz office. Next year's budget got dinged.
- barbara fister
feeling much less alone in the universe-- thanks!
- MontglaneChess
we've had some of the same this year, reps sending things to long retired employees, an employee's email who recently resigned, or the generic univ snail mail address. minimal chaos since we take a monthly look at what needs renewed, but unnecessarily strings out the process!
- Kathy
Yup, we run a report in the spring every year and there's almost always one or two that went missing along the way. Luckily, thus far they've been small ones so having the money's not been an issue.
- Kirsten
So I just learned that Proquest dumped hundreds of thousands of dissertations into Turnitin. I think this is evil. I also learned, poking around, that many ETDs have a "run it through Turnitin" step. I don't think libraries should be supporting a private corporation that relies on a dubious fair use claim to build their empire of badness.
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Sorry, just had to vent. Curious if any of you feel differently.
- barbara fister
WHAT? This is just ridiculous on so many levels.
- Lisa Hinchliffe
hmmm. so, publishing your dissertation with PQ now means you give up your copyright too? doesn't Turnitin take rights over everything that it puts in its maw?
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
from YouFeed
I agree. It sucks.
- Marianne
It's not the fair use claim that bothers me about Turnitin. After all, if you think Google books is fair use, then you can't complain about the transformative use of Turnitin. My complaint has always been the fact that my school requires students to enhance their business model in order to pass a course.
- DJF
from Android
...I wonder if mine's in there? how would I check, if my campus doesn't have Turnitin?
- Catherine Pellegrino
I've been complaining about their business practices for years. Looks like I started complaining on my blog in _2006_ (!!!). http://jasongriffey.net/wp...
- Jason Griffey
from iPhone
(note also that students in classes that use Turnitin are required to accept the company's terms of use, which grant that company a license to use the material submitted, so they don't actually depend on the fair use defense. See also my complaints about facilitating commerce while doing my homework.)
- DJF
In court they have relied on fair use (and if that flies, it should totally be okay for HathiTrust too, Google Books and any other way people want to mine copyrighted texts) but in this case it doesn't seem anyone gave them permission except ProQuest. Maybe the third party checkoff thing is how they are getting around it. It's still outrageous, imo. While poking around, though, I was amazed at how many universities say they won't accept a dissertation until hit has been run through Turnitin.
- barbara fister
I bet it is the third party checkoff - I don't think they could do that otherwise.
- Sarah
Ah, I haven't read the decision carefully. Given other lawsuits, it seemed a really weird invocation of fair use (so long as you use it for something, SURE, GO RIGHT AHEAD! But libraries? whoa, have to think about that...) I wonder how long that third party link has been an option (or default or whatever it is...)
- barbara fister
BTW, here's a press release.This happened over a year ago. How many people know about it? http://pages.turnitin.com/rs...
- barbara fister
I know it's been added within the past five years or so, because our Graduate College had a fit when they realized some of the dissertations were being sold on Amazon without the students knowing it. PQ provided a new agreement with a yes or no option at that point.
- Sarah
Because the grad students didn't know that they were doing that. Finding your dissertation on amazon without knowing it would be there was shocking for many. They get the PQ selling it, but expected it to just stay there.
- Sarah
Had a similar experience to Sarah, only in my case it was library brass who got the Fatal Email from a pissed-off graduate, and they assumed it was somehow my fault -- either I had set this up somehow, or I'd told ProQuest it was okay.
- RepoRat
I'm very lucky in that our Graduate College is very sane.
- Sarah
Holy shit.
- Meg V. Meg
Given my generally anti-copyright stance, I think I'm totally fine with this?
- Steele Lawman
But given that dissertations aren't published in the same way that published books and articles are, I think I might have a problem with this? Clearly I'm conflicted.
- Steele Lawman
It's a puzzle. I was a tad annoyed when I found Goodreads was importing my personal blog onto their site, but then thought "well, it does have a cc license." I can see why people who didn't realize Proquest could sell it on any platform including ones they use daily were taken aback.
- barbara fister
I'm not sure why dissertations aren't public domain in the first place.
- Bill Hooker
(Turning up in Turnitin would annoy me though.)
- barbara fister
US attitudes are very market-oriented. This post at IHE today on Swedish approaches to dissertations was interesting .... http://www.insidehighered.com/blogs...
- barbara fister
That is quite interesting - thanks for posting!
- Sarah
Stupid question, how does ProQuest having the right to do whatever they want with dissertations lead to Amazon? I've seen questions about students confused to see it there.
- aarontay
If they can do whatever they want then that includes selling it on Amazon (rather than just through their own platform) where it'll get a wider distribution but authors weren't expecting to see it there.
- Deborah Fitchett
Amazon is not publishing the books. ProQuest is listing them on Amazon, which it's allowed to do since the students generally given ProQuest a license to distribute them.
- DJF
I'd still like to see Barbara's original source for where she got this information (unless it's a private communication, etc.) -- not that I don't believe her, but I'd like to see the context, etc. -- and I'm still curious how dissertation authors can determine if their work is contained within Turnitin or not -- or are we to understand that ALL PQ dissertations are included?
- Catherine Pellegrino
Sorry, missed this question way back when - I believe it came up on WPA-L but is also in this news release http://turnitin.com/en_us... It's not clear, but it sounds as if it's everything post 2008, though maybe opt-outers are out. I don't know how authors would know if their work is there or not.
- barbara fister
My bigger problem with TUrnitin is that it teaches students how to plagiarise more deviously. As an academic I have used it when my radar went off abt student work so I manually uploaded (unit outline tells students I may do this). Think the PQ uploads feed into bigger text/data mining issues & copyright which will utterly explode in next 2 years
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
from iPhone
I dunno, isn't plagiarising with sufficient deviousness indistinguishable from a literature review? Is the problem that it doesn't teach them how to plagiarise deviously *enough*?
- Deborah Fitchett
Nah - most common plagiarism is throwing a thesaurus at someone else's work then passing it off as their own.
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
from iPhone
Reviewing the Evidence reviews: THE PERFECT GHOST by Linda Barnes, A MAN WITHOUT BREATH
by Philip Kerr, DOMINION by C.J. Sansom...http://www.reviewingtheevidence.com/
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MIDNIGHT AT MARBLE ARCH by Anne Perry, OSCAR WILDE AND THE MURDERS AT READING GAOL by Gyles Brandeth, THE IDES OF APRIL by Lindsey Davis, THE FROZEN SHROUD by Martin Edwards, THE CATCH by Tom Bale, ALOHA, LADY BLUE by Charley Memminger, DEATH ON DEMAND by Paul Thomas...
- barbara fister
EVIL FOR EVIL by Aline Templeton, THE WHISPER OF LEGENDS by Barbara Fradkin, BAD BLOOD by Dana Stabenow, THE POISONED PAWN by Peggy Blair, THE GOVERNOR'S WIFE by Mark Gimenez, TORN (AUDIO) by Casey Hill, read by Caroline Lennon, THE ALPINE XANADU by Mary Daheim, SUTTON by J.R. Moehringer.
- barbara fister
(I feel as if I'm shouting titles.)
- barbara fister
Saturdaybrarian:
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QL How did you know where the logout button was on the new hotmail? A: Well, I've been using the web for a long, long time....
- laura x
heh heh heh.
- Marianne
This one is looking to be quiet broken up by the MADNESS that is having 3 programs in one day.
- Andy
Q: So I need a different username and password for every job I apply to? A: ... sadly, probably, yes. Q: So how many do I need? A: About 500?
- laura x
The worst part of Saturdaybrarian is that I'm at the ref desk and my mom and Peter are at storytime one wing over. Sniff.
- laura x
But they did come visit me. Peter immediately took off my nametag and put it in his mouth.
- laura x
^^^ like.
- barbara fister
I was thinking somebody (or pref. group) really does need to start an ethical Predatory Publishers List--but a better definition of predatory is needed. Splitting journals, lots of new journals, phony "sponsored" journals, republishing articles, excessive page charges, double-dipping...
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[And I hear folks from Emerald, T&F, Elsevier saying "isolated incidents, we're the GOOD GUYS, we're PROFESSIONAL PUBLISHERS..."]
- Walt Crawford
... that's a pretty good idea.
- RepoRat
And the group that does it needs to be Scholars With Credentials, I think. (Ducks and runs.) Preferably scholars within libraries... and yes, I actually am more than half-serious about this. It might redeem a useful term from its currently debased state.
- Walt Crawford
It sounds vaguely like Retraction Watch. I mean, you could have a similar format.
- Meg V. Meg
I was thinking the same thing, Meg.
- RepoRat
i love you people
- jambina
Sarah, you're connected -- any of your groups willing to take a project like this under their wing? I'd just as soon warn off barratry addicts if possible.
- RepoRat
*want* (cannot help create)
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
"Publication Watch" lol
- Meg V. Meg
Only if it's going to be a periodical--altho' getting an ISSN for an e-only publication is so easy even I was able to do it (13 years ago, for C&I, at no cost, took maybe five minutes).
- Walt Crawford
Want, also. I'd be willing to help, if I can.
- Grumpator
Let me make it clear: 1. I think this is a great idea. 2. I know better than to offer to help, for several reasons, some of them probably obvious.
- Walt Crawford
This is a great idea - a cross between "retraction watch" and "regret the error" but for journal titles (TA and OA) that pull stupid journal tricks.. I'm in. Can we do it as a blog? Start with some overall "here's the problem" and add new examples as they arise?
- barbara fister
"Stupid Journal Tricks" gets my vote for title.
- Grumpator
we're trying to wrest the P-word away from Beall, though.
- RepoRat
How about a blog titled Annals of Predatory Publishing Practices?
- barbara fister
Just call it APEX ;) (Adumbrations of Predation Experience)
- Pete #TeamMonique
(So many of our students pronounce it "Anal.")
- barbara fister
Whatever we call it, it needs to have an awesome TLA or FLA.
- Joe Boone
Don't we have LSW hosting somewhere with a WPMU installation? (Was it Josh Neff's baby?) Could we just do a WP installation there. I would be happy to do legwork if someone wants to give me the carkeys to the site...
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
I have been holding out hope for "Aliens vs Predatory Journals".
- Andy
^^^^^^^^ I endorse this.
- RepoRat
(rolls sleeves up) I'm in. Bit of a techno-dolt, but will contribute labor.
- barbara fister
And honestly? the sooner the better. The guy made page A1 of the New York Times for cripes sake. There needs to be a credible alternative.
- barbara fister
Imma wait to hear back from Sarah. I'd like this to have organizational backing beyond the LSW. After that, though, I'm totally in.
- RepoRat
Where I *can* help--down the road: If there's a reputable site with reputable, transparent criteria and reputable postings, I'll certainly promote it as a reputable way to look at publisher problems. As opposed to the disreputable way, only suitable for True Beallievers.
- Walt Crawford
I'm excited about this - and yes, willing to wait and see if there's other interest out there for org. backing.
- barbara fister
why we do this. go!
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student just called me to thank me for not letting her give up on my class and for believing in her. you are welcome, student, go out there and kick some ass
- maʀtha
I get to talk to faculty from all over campus about really neat stuff
- DJF
Because I couldn't help it. Lucky me.
- Marianne
showing students the Perry-Castañeda Library Map Collection to help them find changes in Colorado River's topography before & after the Hoover Dam … so they can build an infographic depicting same. Then showing same students how to search America: History & Life by time period to find articles about CO river between 1920-1940.
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
which is to say, giving students what they need, when they need it. and having them turn info. into something amazing.
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
Having people already ask if we are doing a summer reading program because they enjoy it THAT MUCH!
- Running Slow
Student emails to ask if they should accept an interview because they can do some of the database things but not all of them. I say #fuckyeahbuttercup. Student goes to interview next week. :)
- RepoRat
Providing and maintaining the technological tools that help people to achieve excellence in their work. I do not have all the time to do all the cool things, and I wish I had more time to teach how to better use the tools to achieve even more excellence.
- Julian
Because what students can learn to do in libraries might help them CHANGE THE WORLD! (In a good way, we hope...)
- barbara fister
Thank you note from student who successfully got into grad school because of our help.
- GretelSK
Student tells me that the bit of my lecture about how to troubleshoot wifi made her 10 year old PAUSE AT PLAYING MINECRAFT while he listened to it and then told his mum she was really cool and clever to be studying the subject she is...
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
I get to help people. I love it when people stop by to tell me they found a job.
- Andy
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