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Construction begins in my library today.
here's hoping it's as non-loud and non-smelly as possible. and that the result is shiny, too. :) - Marianne
what are they building? - maʀtha
The writing center is moving into the library in August, so we're reconstructing most of the staff spaces on the main floor of the library to accommodate that. The temporary wall in the picture is surrounding the space that will become the writing center itself. - lris
Ooh, does that mean Carol Rutz will be moving in? (Probably not, but she's awesome.) - barbara fister
No, she runs the writing program. The writing center is a different thing run by the also-awesome Kathy Evertz. - lris
So what's moving into Scoville, then? - Lily
If I remember right, Scoville is getting emptied, renovated, and then maybe Admissions moves in? - lris
Best renovation wishes! - kaijsa
Happy Birthday to LSW's own Dorothea!!!
Happy birthday :) - Pete : Team Marina from FFHound(roid)!
Many happy returns of the day! - Catherine Pellegrino
Happy Birthday!!! Next time--hoping we get to see you longer/more consciously :) - Hedgehog
Happy birthday! - Marianne
Thanks, errybody. Today my age is equal to the Ultimate Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything. So that means I'll have it all figured out by the end of the day, right? - RepoRat
Wheee! yes, and be sure to tell us. - barbara fister
Happies! - Stephen Francoeur
Omigosh, happiest birthday to you! I hope the kitties bake you a nice cake, preferably not made out of fish - maʀtha
happy happy birthday! - Sir Shuping is just sir
Summer birthdays are the best! Happy birthday, RR! - Lily
Happy birthday! - Betsy
Happy day! - Jen
Happy Birthday! - Rebecca Hedreen
Woo hoo! Happy, happy birthday! - Galadriel C. from Android
Happy birthday! - Sarah
Happy Birthday!!!!!! - Katy S from iPhone
Happy bday! - Joe
Happy birthday, Dorothea!!! - Katie
thanks, folks. Ian's Pizza has my favorite only-sometimes pizza around this month, so I raise a slice of BBFAT (black bean, feta, avocado, tomato) in your honor! - RepoRat
mmmmm...Ians. Now I am fantasizing about their grilled veggie pizza and am raising an imaginary slice back to you. - Katy S
Deborah Fitchett
This is awesome - Creative Commons Aotearoa New Zealand are working on a free legal notice that Māori can use to release cultural works more openly:
How do you feel about the "protection against culturally offensive uses", compared to the problems people see with a non-commercial CC license? - Meg VMeg
It is restrictive, yes; but it's less restrictive than no open release at all. Creators need the reassurance that, say, their photo of their granny isn't going to end up on someone's Cafepress teatowels, otherwise they're not going to go anywhere near open. At the moment there's huge amounts of information that is locked up for use by the iwi itself and in many cases people would be... more... - Deborah Fitchett
(It has been a journey for me, with a natural Western bent towards "Knowledge wants to be free!", to get my head around the fact that some knowledge *doesn't* and I have no right to it. Comparing with my thoughts about privacy has been a useful benchmark/triangulation point when my brain's otherwise been tending to flail in despair.) - Deborah Fitchett
What would be the benefit of this license over registered copyright? Is copyright not strong enough? I am not at all saying that indigenous knowledge needs to be free. I'm just curious what niche this license fills. - Meg VMeg
There was a wonderful talk at Access Vancouver about work that was done at University of Washington about designing systems for managing culturally sensitive information. - DJF from Android
Like, in the US we have laws against falsely ascribing Native American ownership/creatorship (e.g., ), so I'm wondering if this is, like, the contrapositive to that. Or something. - Meg VMeg
yes! what djf said! huge community involvement in the collections for both authentication and access. i know that ubc has adopted some of the tech for their Xwi7xwa library. - jambina
It's not that copyright isn't strong enough; it doesn't replace that at all. Everyone gets copyright. It's that *creative commons licenses* don't give/withhold the appropriate permissions when it comes to indigenous knowledge. You can say "Go ahead and use it but attribute" (CC-BY) or "Go ahead and use it but not for commercial purposes" (CC-BY-NC) or "You can't use it at all without... more... - Deborah Fitchett
An example of the challenges of Creative Commons that are simpler for us to understand is the all the CC licences also waive the creators moral rights to restrict how material may be used. So, if you CC license something, you can't stop the KKK from using it. - DJF from Android
Sure, and I'm wondering whether people imagine it will face the same problems as NC. Because, in theory, NC is a good idea too. But, in other theory, NC is *not* a good idea, because no one knows what it means, so it's useless (e.g., ). And "culturally offensive" seems even more ambiguous than NC. Ergo my initial question. - Meg VMeg
I want this to be a clearcut awesome good thing. But NC-CC licensing has not at all been a clearcut awesome good thing (even though I would have thought that would be the case). So I'm wondering how/whether this can be a DIFFERENT clearcut awesome good thing. Or whether trademarks/law/something else are a better recourse. - Meg VMeg
I think it's a bit strong to say NC is "useless." "Not as useful as it might be," yes, but it's still useful. Half a loaf and all that. - Walt Crawford
Hence why they're consulting at the moment about what restrictions it should and shouldn't include. I think trademarks/law would do the exact opposite of opening things up. - Deborah Fitchett
Deborah, can you explain why things are not open currently? Is it something about Māori protectiveness, beyond whatever would or wouldn't be allowed by NZ law? The laws we have here prevent falsely ascribing ownership or creatorship to Native American tribes (and many of the tribes have registered trademarks for their names). So they don't close things down, exactly, but allow legal recourse when IP is used improperly. - Meg VMeg
Sorry, I am not trying to be contrarian. I would like this to be good news. I was excited until I remembered all the NC turmoil. - Meg VMeg
Two part answer: 1) Can you explain why a white person doesn't make their content open? It's because we want to retain certain rights. Sometimes I might want to make something open but I don't want a company to profit off that; NC was created (however imperfectly) to allay these concerns. Likewise a "no culturally offensive use" license can allow people to open their content up without... more... - Deborah Fitchett
That wandered so encompassed part of 2) which is the tikis on teatowels kind of thing. Some things do not belong in the wrong kind of context. Western law does not deal with this. Existing Creative Commons licenses don't deal with it. So the goal is to create a license that does deal with it, by (presumably) spelling out what uses are and are not appropriate. Then a creator can say "I... more... - Deborah Fitchett
I'm not sure if this clarifies things because I'm not sure where the gap is, because I've got all this cultural context you don't. But it's basically for the case where authors want to be open but also want safeguards. Existing CC licenses provide the safeguards that matter to Western creators (attribution, share-alike, non-commercial, no-derivatives) but they don't provide the... more... - Deborah Fitchett
Meg: Have you been following the furor here in Oklahoma surrounding the way Christina Fallin appropriated a plains tribe headdress? I know it's a physical object rather than knowledge, but to me, seems like this is the exact sort of thing that this license option is trying to protect against. American Indian tribes have always dealt with white people appropriating pieces of their... more... - Kirsten
I am not saying that protection isn't called for, or that I don't understand why it might be called for (my last question about the Māori was asking if there was something specific to their traditions/culture that made this different from a CC license for all indigenous people, because it seemed like Deborah was saying that). It is ABSOLUTELY called for, and I 100% understand why. What... more... - Meg VMeg
It seems like a way to put your hand up and say "hey, you can use this, but if I think you're using it in a way that offends me, I'm gonna revoke that right." I see the complexity of limits, but I also see why people may want "some rights reserved" defined in specific ways so that they can say yes while saying no to some uses. People would presumably still have uses that fall under fair dealing (?? is that the phrase in NZ for what yanks call fair use?) - barbara fister
Sorry, Meg. I wasn't reading closely enough. Teach me to skim pre-caffeine. Anyway, to the point: I doubt the Maori license would be able to avoid all those criticisms, since there would always be people (like Fallin) who would want to use items with that license in a way that was disrespectful. Such people often fall back on some combination of free speech and capitalism to justify... more... - Kirsten
Purely pragmatically, the problem I have with NC is that it overprotects -- it renders uses problematic that the licensor probably wouldn't have any problem with. I honestly don't think that's true in the indigenous-knowledge case! So I'm in favor (for the little my white-ass approval is worth), partly in the name of getting more truth out there and drowning out the noisy appropriators. - RepoRat
Back to the U Washington work that I mentioned above, "culturally offensive" probably isn't just a vague phrase, but has strong, well understood, restrictions on culturally appropriate use associated with it that are well understood by the culture in question. For example, letting the US flag touch the ground is (well, was) a simple example of a "culturally offensive" use. - DJF
Barbara's comment about "It seems like a way to put your hand up and say 'hey, you can use this, but if I think you're using it in a way that offends me, I'm gonna revoke that right.'" is exactly why the Creative Commons licenses explicitly waive the creators' moral rights. So, even where Western European culture has a way to control uses, the CC stops one from doing so. - DJF
It seems as this particular effort a) is working very hard to come to a mutually-agreed-upon-by-creators, nuanced and detailed definition of "culturally offensive" (if you click through to Deborah's link, it includes a survey) - which I actually would expect to vary from indigenous tradition to indigenous tradition, given that their sacred / tapu / etc contexts also vary, and b) is... more... - Marianne
tl;dr: oooh, this is really interesting and shiny. - Marianne
An interesting discussion, but I must admit that my reaction to a "no culturally inappropriate uses" license would probably be "If you're not Maori (or Native American or whatever), stay the hell away." Because I would never be sure what was and wasn't culturally inappropriate, except that I'm not part of the culture. And maybe that's right? - Walt Crawford
Maybe museums and schools would be able to use more easily? - Christina Pikas
Walt, I think part of the idea is that the license would *tell* you what is and isn't inappropriate. Meg, yes, while indigenous peoples are in heaps of dialogue with each other for mutual support and sharing ideas on how to reclaim heritage in a coloniser-dominated world, their cultures and therefore needs are still very different from each other so I would expect licenses to vary... more... - Deborah Fitchett
Reunion and flooding are both in full swing. Over 2500 alumni are wandering around campus. Many feet of flood water is wandering around downtown Northfield.
I imagine the alumni in hip waders - maʀtha
I am imagining the email that must have gone out to reunion attendees: "Please be prepared for significant travel ... challenges." - Catherine Pellegrino
I am imagining them saying to each other, "Well, we'll never forget THIS reunion..." - Marianne
... as they paddle their kayaks through downtown Northfield - maʀtha
I would like to say that I have no idea WTF a threshold concept is or how it will be useful. Whatever the threshold is for understanding threshold concepts, I have not passed it.
To borrow a phrase from Marianne, I shall perhaps forever teeter at the lintel - maʀtha
Not sure if you are joking, but for me that's the literal truth. Should I feel guilty? Oh well. Add it to list of things every librarian seem to understand but I don't. - aaron
Not joking. I find the threshold concept baffling, utterly. - maʀtha
So, I'm not alone in this, eh? - maʀtha
I'm not very clear on it. Probably need to read the document fully through tho - Hedgehog
Please send that in as feedback. Also, if you are interested, Lane understands but dissents: - Lisa Hinchliffe
Yep, will do. I'll say here that no one in academia wants to admit that they don't understand something, so I wonder how many will do so openly. Also, if ACRL creates a framework that is totally arcane, it won't get used. I'm just saying. - maʀtha
Yeah, you want it to be *just arcane enough* to indicate that it's new, so that people will bother to read the thing, but not so arcane that they won't. - Meg VMeg
I always thought it meant 'target'- we want to at least get people to this point sort of thing. Info lit is full of arcana, mind you. *shrugs* - Pete : Team Marina
I "get" the concept of threshold concepts -- at least, I *think* I do, though when I read some of what's been written about them I wonder if I'm just fooling myself -- and I think it could be a useful and powerful term to describe those kind of "ah ha!" moments that when they happen for a student, there's no going back. But honestly, yesterday I read Lane's post that Lisa links above,... more... - Catherine Pellegrino
So, but the "I don't have time for this!" exasperation is problematic: on the one hand, I'm thinking "hey, I'm just a librarian down here in the trenches trying to teach my classes, deal with problematic co-workers, and, you know, get my whole college's first-year seminar program off the ground. Plus, I don't have anywhere near the high-level ed-psych, ed-theory, philosophy-of-education... more... - Catherine Pellegrino
+1 for what Catherine just said. Should we include that as feedback? … but I don't want to admit being dumb or (potentially) lazy. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Well said, Catherine. I've made some attempts to read this stuff, but have hit the wall each time. I really do intend to try again to wade through all the stuff and to write up feedback, but it is daunting and seems so opaque to me right now, not having the high-level ed psych, ed theory, philosophy of education background - maʀtha
also, + to Meg for "just arcane enough" :) - maʀtha
Catherine's "I "get" the concept of threshold concepts -- at least, I *think* I do, though when I read some of what's been written about them I wonder if I'm just fooling myself" - Exactly describes how i feel. Then again I wonder if for most run of the mill academic librarians like myself, we dont really need to know that much theory right? - aaron
Martha (and others), do you hit the wall in reading the actual concepts themselves (in the ACRL documents) and the associated abilities, dispositions, learning objectives, etc.? Or do you hit the wall in reading the introductory materials in the ACRL documents? Or do you hit the wall in reading what others (Wilkinson as linked above, et al.) have written about either the actual concepts... more... - Catherine Pellegrino
I get mired in the material about the theoretical construct of threshold concepts - maʀtha
Yeah, Martha, then I'd worry a lot less about it, frankly. :) And Stephanie, I don't think it's admitting being dumb or lazy to say, "hey, this doesn't work for me." I think it's valuable feedback that indicates that the document that's supposed to guide (I think? maybe not? I have no idea) members of the profession in improving their work is incomprehensible to those very members of the profession. - Catherine Pellegrino
^and this is my point, in a nutshell - maʀtha
One advantage of being retired and giving up on writing about library philosophy: When I bogged down 1/3 (?) of the way through Lane's discursion, I didn't feel guilty. - Walt Crawford
IMHO, the new concepts are an improvement over the old 'standards'. Maybe its just intellectual laziness on my part, but I don't think it's essential to dig to the point that we find the intellectual bedrock that we all can agree on. In Biology, a couple of threshold concepts would be the scientific method and the process of evolution. Likewise our concepts are broad strokes that must be filled in to make sense of a whiole - copystar
I'm a little uncomfortable with the idea that as someone in the trenches, I don't have to understand the theory behind what I do. It's understanding the underlying theory that lets you riff on standard practices rather than following them by rote, or upend standard practices when they aren't working for me. And if we really want to partner with the faculty on our campuses, we'd better... more... - lris
Catharine, I get bogged down at several points along the way. And martha, I am so grateful posted this. I think I get the TCs, but I don't really get how to make them work in the teaching I do (or how I might be able to shift my teaching to get the value out of the approach... that's the real problem I have), and I think it's my own inability to carve out the time to *really* dig in and... more... - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Actually, if you would just copy/paste what you all wrote here as feedback, I think that would help. There are others saying their concerns with TCs per se as theory etc. This is a pretty engaged group - if you are struggling w the doc, lots of other librarians will too AND we won't come off as a profession overall competent to faculty who are key partners. FWIW, most of you are making... more... - Lisa Hinchliffe
Also, given the framework claims that these are just examples of TCs but libraries should identify their own, not understanding the theory is going to make that impossible to achieve. So, the framework essentially says the theory is important to implementing the framework. (BTW, also - please don't beat yourself up. I have a second masters in educational psychology and this isn't an easy theory to parse at all!) - Lisa Hinchliffe
The folks who drafted the 2000 standards also said DIY - but libarians tend to turn into AACR zombies when they see bulleted lists of rules (okay, that's a bit unfair. But we are awfully proceedurally inclined and that wierd positiona announcement thing, "detail-oriented" as a profession.) - barbara fister
I get the theory. The apparatus bores me. I also am not impressed by the origin story of threshold concepts - the only thing I like, really, is the focus on "where do students get stuck? Which of those stuck places, when overcome, make a big difference? Can we help faculty help students and avoid sending messages that make it harder for students to claim agency and get how information really works? - barbara fister
I recognized a moment that I think is huge for undergrads - when they realize they are knowledge creators themselves and what they have to say matters. I try to bear that in mind when talking to students, even if they are at a place where they just want to know how the damned thing works so they can cross off that boring paper. - barbara fister
Full disclosure: I never took the standards very seriously, except as a gesture toward complexity. All those bullet points! Just, no. - barbara fister
laura x
Things you feel like you're the only person in the world who has read/seen/listened to. Go!
"Elsie Piddock Skips in Her Sleep" by Eleanor Farjeon; The Good Master and The Singing Tree by Kate Seredy - laura x
Emmet Swimming - Something like this "Listen to the River". They had one hit (Arlington to Boston), but I really like all of their stuff. - Joe
Books, e-author John Locke; Donovan Creed series. Music: Gypsy Soul and Sass Jordan - Janet from FFHound!
Justin said, "How To Build Military Grade Suppressors, by Keith Anderson" Me, The Gooseberry Bluff Community College of Magic, by David Schwartz. - Jenica
The Skipper Chuck tv show for kids that was broadcast from a studio in Miami in the 1950s-1970s. - Stephen Francoeur
There's a video with a bunch of segments that I must have seen about a bajillion times in grade school; the first segment was an animated short called "Why Man Creates" (yes, it was the 1970s). - Catherine Pellegrino
Sister by Jim Lewis. I need to reread it to see if it holds up after 20 years, but I LOVED it. I've never known anybody else to have read it. - kaijsa
Lucky: . Wife and I loved this program. I think we were the only ones. Superfolks: . The copyright is 1977, so I must have been around 15 or 16 but I could have sworn I was younger. Either way, had my mom known of it's content (like explicit s-e-x), she wouldn't have let me read it.... more... - MoTO: Team Marina
Also, this is a very good thread starter. - MoTO: Team Marina
Since leaving Canada, the series Slings and Arrows. Also the CD "Horse Soldier! Horse Soldier!" by Corb Lund. (P.S. Jenica, I read Gooseberry Bluff!). - Soup in a TARDIS
I was telling someone at work a few days ago about Slings and Arrows. - Betsy
Every American Doctor Who fan has had the "I thought I was the only one who knew about Doctor Who" moment. - Betsy
Who? - Joe
I like, Art…Vandelay. Art Vandelay? He’s an obscure writer. Beatnik, from the village. - Stephen Mack
I <3 <3 <3 <3 Slings and Arrows, Betsy. Ever since learning about it (when I lived in Canada) I've been promoting it ceaselessly. - Soup in a TARDIS
Trixie Belden books. - Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Jonny Chase: Secret agent of space (70s radio drama) - DJF from Android
@Soup: as a fan of Forever Knight, KF-TLC and Due South, how could I not know about Slings and Arrows? :-) - Betsy
The historical novels- for children- of Cynthia Harnett - Pete : Team Marina
Dinosaurs. I make mention of this every few months, and it's like nobody remembers that show. Also Tucker, is another one. - NOT THE CRICKET
The sitcom family dinosaurs Dinosaurs? I remember that :) - Pete : Team Marina
NOT THE MAMA - kendrak
Indeed. Of course, I'm normally talking to people my age or younger. So they probably didn't see it at all. - NOT THE CRICKET
So glad I'm among Slings & Arrows fans! It's about as good a TV show as I can fathom existing. Well, I'd watch anything with Paul Gross in it :) - Lily
Aw, I remember THE GOOD MASTER - loved that book, and haven't thought of it for yonks. - barbara fister
Only an American would think they're the only person who's listened to Corb Lund ;-) - DJF from Android
Probably Reynke de Vos or Til Eulenspiegel. In English, The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists. - kendrak
For a time, Waif called me "Not The Mama". Wife pleaded ignorance - MoTO: Team Marina
There's MoTo's new nickname. - NOT THE CRICKET
Jaclyn, I loved Trixie Belden! - Jenica from iPhone
Jimminy - "so let it be written" - MoTO: Team Marina
Jenica - until the internet came around, I was half convinced I'd made them up. :P - Jaclyn aka spamgirl
from my childhood: Wonderama and The Magic Garden. - ♫Robot Chicken, Trainer♫
Die Strudlhofstiege by Heimito von Doderer, a novel I love. - Maitani
Pete, I read some Cynthia Harnett. My grandmother had a great many of them. (I know of Slings & Arrows and Trixie Belden and have seen a few episodes of Dinosaurs, in part). - laura x
My TV shows would be The Tomorrow People and Against the Odds ( - laura x
Read: David Graham - Down to a Sunless Sea, Jean Karl - The Turning Place, Strange Tomorrow, But We Are Not of Earth. Re: Dinosaurs - I remember when it was on and I've been watching it on Netflix recently! - ellbeecee
Ooh, I remember Trixie Belden! Also Cherry Ames. - ellbeecee
LBC--I've got the first 8 Cherry Ames books at home. :) They've reissued them. - Hedgehog
I know - I've got the old editions though. :) - ellbeecee
The Moomin books. - barbara fister
Now, Secret Agent, let us talk ;) Although I saw the TV adaptation before I read the books. - Pete : Team Marina
Old Sci Fi UFO and Space:1999 - ♫Robot Chicken, Trainer♫
I loved Home Movies! - kendrak
Night Court. - Hedgehog
"The Brown Bird," as sung by Maxine Sullivan (on the B side of her version of "Blue Skies"). - laura x
@Jorge: I have the Space: 1999 DVD box set. - Betsy
And I remember watching UFO around the same time. - Betsy
@Hedgehog: I was telling them at work this week about the Turbo Shatner 2000. - Betsy
Blake's 7 (except for Sarah, of course) - maʀtha
@Martha, are you familiar with the Bizarro 7 zines? - Betsy
Fan of Trixie Belden, Dinosaurs, and Night Court -----> - Signs Point to LB from Android
Here's my list (for now): Herman's Head, Jason's Quest by Margaret Laurence, The Juniper Game by Sherryl Jordan. - Marianne
Oooh, also the TV show Pretender. - Hedgehog from Android
Oh, I'm a fan of Spike Jones and the City Slickers. Plenty of folks are familiar with them, but they're all older than I! - Signs Point to LB from Android
@Hedgehog: Miss Parker? - Betsy
Mrs. Pigglewiggle - maʀtha
I had not, Betsy - maʀtha
I remember Space 1999! - maʀtha
i have all of the first SPACE:1999 series on DVD. second one was a terrible kiddie show, tho, and discarded nearly everything important to the premise in the name of pandering...which ultimately led to its cancellation. - Big Joe Silence
Most of the Arthur Machen I've read. - Katy S from iPhone
I mostly remember big banks of computers with flashy lights and people in jumpsuits (re Space 1999) - maʀtha
Why do people always think there are jumpsuits in the future? What's wrong with pants and shirt? - maʀtha
there's alot of SPACE:1999 episodes on YouTube. watch the pilot called "Breakaway". - Big Joe Silence
Yes Betsy, that's the one. Martha, I loved Mrs. PiggleWiggle, I still think of it when I am making the bed - Hedgehog from Android
That book I can't remember the title of. =P It was a high fantasy where magicians all had specialties and didn't cross over, and the main hero (?) might have been from one of the disrespected specialties, the one that could talk to animals. His order would have secret conversations by having multiple wizards all basically teleconference into a turtle sitting on the table. And they had a... more... - Andrew C (✔)
ooh, something I watched: "Space Giants", with Goldar Silvar and Gam (see for example: ) - ellbeecee
that old Lathe of Heaven PBS production. I saw it on PBS when it aired and it inhabited my dreams for years - maʀtha
I remember seeing ads for it and I didn't know what it was but it sounded great and I tried to get my parents to let me watch it but something else the rest of the family wanted to watch was on at the same time and we only had one TV set, as one did back then, so no go. - Betsy
I watched it totally by chance and had no idea what it was or what was happening - maʀtha
agree on … Wonderama!! (wackado, wackado, wackado; lolhusband also watched it growing up, on channel 5). And yes, Cherry Ames, Student Nurse. LOVED Mrs. PiggleWiggle. I bet she shopped at the Piggly Wiggly. I remember, but didn't read Trixie Belden. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
adding: Enid Blyton (tho' I bet the tea eaters have read her). - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
I have read SO MUCH Enid Blyton (as well as Cherry Ames). #canadian - Marianne
Buckaroo Banzai. - Betsy
Betsy, I saw that at a con filled with people, and then had all the mutual friends of myself and the friend I went to the con with say, "YOU NEVER SAW THAT UNTIL NOW? HOW!?!?!?" And yet, I still feel that way sometimes too. - Marianne
i saw "Buckaroo Banzai" in the cinema when it was first release. 5 minutes before the credits there was a direct lightning strike on the power to the building and everything blacked out for a moment before the backup lights came on. we exited the emergency doors and there was a tornado outside. i didn't see the whole thing til it was on cable a few years later. - Big Joe Silence
SPECTREMAN. I watched quite a few sentai shows in the late 70s, and that one still surprises people. - Steven Perez
For a very long time, I didn't know anyone else who had watched the BBC production of Gormenghast with Jonathan Rhys Meyers as Steerpike. I started to wonder if I had imagined seeing it. - Katy S
Katy, same! I have the DVD set rolling around the house somewhere. - Jennifer Dittrich
Except for Star Wars (asterisk), Buckaroo Banzai was the first movie I saw multiple times in the theater. My friend Dottie and I were kinda obsessed with it. EDIT: and I found out last year that they actually released the soundtrack ("for like five minutes"). - Betsy
i have that soundtrack. i even posted some of it on FF once. - Big Joe Silence
That must've been before we met on FF or I would've pounced on it. :-) Fortunately, I was able to get a copy of it last year. - Betsy
Herman's Head! I loved that show. :) - Laura
The music of Pavlov's Dog. - Mary B: #TeamMonique
What's Alan Watching? - Betsy
My Secret Identity. - Betsy
My Secret Identity! My sibs and I used to sing the theme song to that show. - Marianne
I watched Herman's Head and My Secret Identity! - Andrew C (✔)
The Charmings. - Signs Point to LB from Android
I remember that, but I didn't watch it. Hang on, it's the sitcom version of Once Upon a Time! Sort of. - Betsy
Oh, also for movies, The World of Henry Orient and A Little Romance. And has anyone else read The Blue Cat of Castletown or The Wheel on the School? - laura x
Wheel on the School, yes! - maʀtha
Another that sticks in my mind is Paddle-to-the-Sea, of which there was a riveting (at least to my very young self) film - maʀtha
Oh, my dad loves the book Paddle to the Sea and gave a copy of it last year to Mr. 7yo. - Stephen Francoeur
Anyone here remember the sitcom, ¿Qué Pasa, USA?, which was on PBS in the late 1970s? One of the actors in it got his big break in 1983 as Al Pacino's sidekick in Scarface. - Stephen Francoeur
Let No Man Write my Epitaph by Willard Motley. - Jenny H. from Android
Oh god. Paddle to the Sea. - DJF from Android
It might be one of those books like Babar that I *loved* as a kid, but would now cringe upon reading - maʀtha
(Yes to Wheel on the School.) - Signs Point to LB
This is one not "only one in the world" 'cause these were big at my grade school when I was a kid, but I'm probably the only one here who has read the Comtesse de Segur books. I don't remember much about them except for one random scene. - Betsy
My grandmother got the book Paddle-to-the-Sea into an episode of Northern Exposure. (I had no idea there was a film, but I still love the book.) - laura x
OH. John Verney's Ismo. My youthful introduction to anarchism. What a great book. - barbara fister
(I read Trixie Belden! :)) - Jenny H. from Android
The band 9353 - Gabrielle
I thought I was the only who lurved John Bellairs until I met Amanda. - Jenny H. from Android
Lila Downs! - Jenny H. from Android
For music, I'll go solo work by bassists from famous bands: Geezer Butler, John Entwistle, John Paul Jones. For books, how about early Norman Spinrad like Men in the Jungle or Bug Jack Barron. Also probably not too many have read any of the Matt Helm books. - John Dupuis
When I was a kid I loved this Disney movie called The Challengers about a girl who masquerades as a boy so she can be in a band. I also had this VHS tape that was called something like "The Kids' Encyclopedia" and it had short video segments on things like learning how to mime and how to breakdance and how to speak a secret language called Ob. My brother and I LOVED that videotape. - Laura Krier
I also listened to a band called Butt Trumpet in high school. Super classy, as you can imagine. Very, very few people in my life have heard of Butt Trumpet. - Laura Krier
Oh AND my brother and I constantly watched this movie called Tommy Tricker and the Stamp Traveller that I think was Canadian. I loved that movie. - Laura Krier
Oh, ok, The Challengers was NOT a DIsney movie. And it was also Canadian. No idea why we watched so many Canadian movies when I was a kid. - Laura Krier
Speaking of Canadian shows: this one aired on Saturdays mornings on CBC when I was in library school: Secret Adventures of Jules Verne, with Michael Praed. - Betsy
oh, and I LOVED Dinosaurs. "Not the Mama!!" - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
What a great throwback question, Stephen, yes I remember Que Pasa USA? with it's catchy theme song. And Dinosaurs all of the in jokes about the environmental future of the earth. And how about High Feather? - ♫Robot Chicken, Trainer♫
Kelly and Amanda, my grade school once got to have a conference call with John Bellairs! - laura x from iPhone
I lived outside of Marshall MI where all the Bellairs books were set :) Philosopher and I went there to visit last summer - Hedgehog
Ooh, I got one. “Who Am I This Time?” It was on American Playhouse on PBS in 1982. It was the very first time I saw (or noticed) Susan Sarandon and Christopher Walken in anything. It was great. It’s still the first thing that comes to mind whenever I think of either of them. - Betsy
I used to watch Brimstone. I was going to say I have it on VHS, but I threw out most of my home tapes this week. - Betsy
Okavango. - Betsy
A Fine Romance (aka, Ticket to Ride) with Christopher Cazenove and Margaret Whitton. Except for a commercial, YouTube only has it in German, which doesn't help me any. (Originally, the lead was going to be Anthony Andrews, but shooting was delayed by the TV writers' strike and he had to be elsewhere by the time it got resolved.) - Betsy
"Tales From The Dark Side". there was also that werewolf show on FOX in the 80s where the protagonist would get a bloody pentagram in the palm of his hand just before changing each time. i forget the name. was bummed out when it went off the air. - Big Joe Silence
Yeah, the one with Chuck Connors as Janos Skorzeny (I recognized that they borrowed the name from Night Stalker). It was called Werewolf. It'd forgotten about that one. - Betsy
How about The Phoenix, with Judson Scott? - Betsy
Starman, TV series with Robert Hays. - Betsy
A few animated movies from when I was young - Gandahar, The Devil and Daniel Mouse, The Sea Prince and the Fire Child. - Jennifer Dittrich
Jennifer, I loved the devil and daniel mouse. - Marianne
My backup brain has failed me! Where's the article that says "this ain't no dang serials crisis; it's just Business As Usual." It's probably one of Secret Agent Fister's, but I'm not finding it.
Errr .... me either. Hmm. - barbara fister
this maybe? there was one in 2010 that i can find mention of, but the link is dead so can't track was mentioned here: - Sir Shuping is just sir
yeah, I'm using that first one if I can't find the other one. grar. bad backup brain! bad! - RepoRat
It's not a crisis if it's been going on for decades. - DJF from Android
Yeah, exactly. I remember an article on that theme but can't find it. - RepoRat
Was it Walt's The Big Deal and the Damage Done? - John Dupuis
... you know, it might well be! lemme check. - RepoRat
J.Be All wrote about the serials crisis being over, but I am guessing that is not what you are looking for. - Joe
no, definitely not Beall. - RepoRat
Almost certainly not The Big Deal... either: not an article and certainly didn't say 'business as usual,' although I've noted several times that the crisis dates back at least to the 1970s. - Walt Crawford
Wayne B-T could have been referring to or; those busted links are annoying. - barbara fister
Which got mashed up into this - which includes the phrase :business as usual" fwiw. - barbara fister
DAMMIT, yeah, that's it. Too late to put into my column, alas. - RepoRat
you two should take this show on the road - maʀtha
The new LSW Member Twitter Handle Post, just in case. (The old one is at )
(Is there a list for non-LSW?) - Betsy
@BetsyVera2 - Betsy
@ElaineLibrarian - LibrarianOnTheLoose
@reddite - Pete : Team Marina
@ellbeecee - ellbeecee
@webgoddess - WebGoddess
@cpellegr - Catherine Pellegrino
@eabrown25 - Elizabeth Brown
@LibSkrat - RepoRat
@disedlibrarian - Rebecca Hedreen
@bfister - barbara fister
@s_francoeur - Stephen Francoeur
@orgmonkey - Marie
@CogSciLibrarian - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
@grasshopperlibr - maʀtha
@gohomekiki - Kirsten
@spamgirl - Jaclyn aka spamgirl from Android
@dupuisj - John Dupuis
@newrambler - laura x
@oajoe and @bibliobrew - Joe
@waltcrawford - Walt Crawford
@cpikas - Christina Pikas
@hedgielib - Hedgehog
@weelibrarian - weelibrarian
@julian2 - Julian
@lisalibrarian - Lisa Hinchliffe
@desertlibrarian - Ruth Kneale
@mjreddin - Marianne
@megvmeg - Meg VMeg
@czammarelli - Zamms
@k8southern - Katy S from iPhone
Don't make me resort to tweeting! Please *whimpers* - Marina's Godmother :-)
I hope we don't have to, but I also don't want to lose you. :-( - Betsy
*sighs* @heleninstitches - Marina's Godmother :-)
@suelibrarian - suelibrarian from iPhone
@freedabrook - Freeda B.
@deborahfitchett --Oh wait, also I recently started @freeasinsmiles trying to post a new OA resource a day. - Deborah Fitchett
@rudibrarian - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
@jsholman - Jen
@gchilton - Galadriel C. from Android
@wawoodworth - Andy
@henare - henry
@younglibrarian - Katie
@library_chic - ~Courtney F
would some kind person please turn this into a public list? Twitter hates me right now - maʀtha
I don't know what that means. - Betsy
Working on it Martha :) - Hedgehog
Here's a public list on Twitter--it wont' let me add me to the list so don't forget to follow me! - Hedgehog
thank you! - maʀtha
Megan loves summer
Uh, yup. "Evaluating big deal journal bundles." Theodore C. Bergstrom, Paul N. Courant, R. Preston McAfee, and Michael A. Williams PNAS 2014 ; published ahead of print June 16, 2014, doi:10.1073/pnas.1403006111
A tidbit: "We find that even with the institution-specific discounts resulting from bundled purchases, the prices per citation charged to large PhD-granting universities by major commercial publishers are much higher than those charged by major nonprofit publishers. Among the commercial publishers in our study, Elsevier’s prices per citation are nearly 3 times those charged by the nonprofits, whereas Emerald, Sage, and Taylor & Francis have prices per citation that are roughly 10 times those of the nonprofits." - Megan loves summer
I thought the InsideHigherEd blurb read like something from the Onion: - Rebecca Hedreen
"There might be reasons for such discrepancies." Yes, there might. Why anyone would buy the argument that non-disclosure is good for libraries is beyond me. - barbara fister
Dang. Our access in various DBs has 6 month embargoes. - Stephen Francoeur
^^^ There's an irony in there somewhere. - Catherine Pellegrino
I found the responses from the librarians in charge of negotiating for prices interesting. Is anyone going to admit they were not as good at negotiating? - aaron
Freeda B.
Is anyone here going to the Library Assessment Conference at CUNY tomorrow?
I really wish I had paid attention to it when it was first announced. It seemed at first like a small local thing, but then this afternoon I looked at the program and was all like whoa, that became a really interesting and greatly expanded lineup of speakers (including LSW's own Lisa Janicke Hinchcliffe). I put myself on the waiting list and will show up in the AM to see if there's a... more... - Stephen Francoeur
Also speaking: Deb Gilchrist, Donna Lanclos, Martha Kyrillidou, Roger Schonfeld, and a poster by Megan Oakleaf. - Stephen Francoeur
Dang. That is quite a lineup. - Catherine Pellegrino
Wow. CUNY is a special kind of awesome. - barbara fister
It was great to see so many folks - spent a few extra days in NYC and so just seeing this now. A great conference indeed! - Lisa Hinchliffe
Yes, this conference was great! I wish all conferences lasted one day and took place in a city where I have lots of friends. Lisa, I already brought up your idea of emphasizing librarian expertise over collaborative abilities (I know that is a simplification) at our library strategic planning meeting. - Freeda B.
Love to hear how things progress as you discuss this idea - glad it resonated! - Lisa Hinchliffe
Crime and mystery fiction
I will not take on my students' procrastination as my own anxiety. I will not take on my students' procrastination as my own anxiety. I will not take on my students' procrastination as my own anxiety... #finals
My own procrastination,on the other hand ... oh, say, would like some of my anxiety? You're so helpful, thanks. - barbara fister
Yeah, I just got a panicked annotated-bib-due-tonight email. That I'm posting this during the 10 free minutes I have to shove a luna bar in my mouth before the desk tells you a bit about how sympathetic I'm feeling. - kaijsa
Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Iris just got name checked by our instructional design candidate as being one of her inspirations.
Obviously a stellar candidate who is on the ball. - barbara fister
Clearly I should meet this Iris person. - lris from iPod
John Dupuis
Because who doesn't need more chaos in their lives:
Apparently two librarians are being sued for libel/slander. - John Dupuis
Do we know by whom? - barbara fister
we can guess. And my guess is that his nickname rhymes with Bowie Bidgets. - Jenica
I think it's an open secret in the sense of when you look at who it is being sued there's really no other possibility. I'm assuming but don't know for sure that this post was the reason in one case: - John Dupuis
I honestly can't remember if I missed that entirely or I read about it and filed it generically into the gigantic "Yet another high profile serial sexual harasser" bucket in my head. Either way, this time I'll definitely be remembering the name. Yay Streisand effect. :-) - Deborah Fitchett
right?! whoever the plaintiff is, I'm boggled as to how it's going to do him ("him" seems the safe bet) any good. - RepoRat
I find myself reminded that this FF room is crawled. It sometimes feels like a semi-private space, but it isn't. I say this because I've seen a couple people say things elsewhere in online Libraryland and I think, "Oh, wow, hey, don't get yourself sued." I haven't seen this in any of the recent LSW discussions, but I would hate to see it happen, you know? - maʀtha
Yes - thanks for the reminder, martha. Possibly even more risky for our Canadian and UK members. - barbara fister
I always assume that LSW is read pretty widely beyond the people that actually comment. I think it might still have the rep as a cabal of rowdy malcontents and trouble-makers. - John Dupuis
Well, that's us only on our good days ;) - maʀtha
rowdy malcontent and troublemaker --> - RepoRat
me, too -> - Christina Pikas
mischiefmaker --> - maʀtha
prefers the term rabble-rouser --> - Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Actually been published on --> - John Dupuis
Is anyone in charge of hijinks? - maʀtha
Merrymaking? Malarkey? Shenanigans? - maʀtha
not malcontented enough. - RepoRat
I note the linked posts are gone now... - Aaron the Librarian
I call shenanigans. (couldn't resist) - Grumpator
Sir Shuping is just sir
anyone here able to help out Erin Dorney? RT @edorney: Who are some librarians who know about zine cataloging? #zines #cataloging #librarians
(she's on twitter, now least as far I know of) - Sir Shuping is just sir
try @ohbendorf, one of our students and a major zinester - RepoRat
np, always good to get a student's name known - RepoRat
Jenna Freedman (@barnardzinelib, maybe? Can't remember her Twitter handle at present, but Google should find her) - laura x from iPhone
I think the Zamms cataloged one or both of the LSW zines, codslap, and the other I forget the name. - Joe
There is some published stuff out there, too. A chapter in Informed Agitation comes to mind by Jenna and Rhonda Kauffman. Also, From A to Zine by Julie Bartel. - barbara fister
Elissah Becknell is a zine librarian: http://2014librarytechnologyco... - copystar
Seconding Elissah Becknell - maʀtha
Radcliffe has a pretty big zine collection they've slowly been cataloging, I think just contacting their ref desk and asking about cataloging would put you in touch with the right people: - Regular Amanda from Android
Not only are we still three weeks away from graduation, but Carleton doesn't take Memorial Day off. Epic sigh.
that sucks :( - Sir Shuping is just sir
I knew there was a reason I didn't go to Carleton. - laura x from iPhone
It's a pretty darn good reason. - lris
We take it off and yet I'm in my office ... - Lisa Hinchliffe
Same here - both labor day and memorial day are work days. Always. (I just ran to the bank and realized oh yeah, it's a holiday.) - barbara fister
John Dupuis
Just in case people here are missing out on the shit storm at the University of Saskatchewan: Dean who challenged university cuts is stripped of job, tenure, and access to campus:
Worth noting that the USask president was provost at McMaster during the Jeff Trzeciak years. - John Dupuis
If I was enrolled in USask's already troubled medical school, I'd be figuring out where to transfer to. This will not end well. - DJF
if I were enrolled anywhere at USask I'd be looking to transfer. Sca-ree. - RepoRat
well, yeah. but especially those parts that are already under accreditation review and affected so directly by the restructuring. - DJF
yup. being in the middle of an accreditation cycle right the fsck now, I am grateful that our chain of command is passing smoothly to new authority holders. I cannot even IMAGINE trying to go through this with that level of whackadoo. - RepoRat
craaazeee. - Christina Pikas
wowwowwow - Marie
OH HEY . Issuing a full-throated NOPE on that one. - RepoRat
It gets better. Where by better I mean worse. Hat tip Kirstin Dougan on Twitter. - RepoRat
Hey, but you could be the new HEad of Library Systems & Technology? - Aaron the Librarian
That didn't take long: - John Dupuis
I think I agree with the people you retweeted: there's gonna be a lawsuit and a shitstorm because admin just admitted it fscked up. Admin has completely screwed the university. - RepoRat
It's just bizarre. The pres never had the right to unilaterally fire a full professor. Dean, yes, but full professor no. Now as part of the backdown the pres is offering Buckingham some sort of new tenured position. Presumably, the president similarly does not have the right to unilaterally bypass collegial hiring processes and offer what is effectively some random guy on the street a tenured professorship. - John Dupuis
Clusterfuck does not even begin to describe this situation. - John Dupuis
I can't believe all the bullshit coming out of the mouths of USask admin. They are TOTALLY dodging the point about silencing, and what threats were issued when. - RepoRat
I hate it when people who damage the reputation of a university blame the people who spoke out loud about the damage being done to the university and say the speech is the damage.. - barbara fister
I've gotten to the point where I expect that as SOP. Had waaaaaaay too many people pull the "don't air dirty laundry!" thing on me. But yeah. - RepoRat
I didn't think this could get any clusterfuckier, and then it totally did. Hoo doggie. - Catherine Pellegrino
I think that "clusterfuckier" just won the "word of the week" - DJF from Android
More: "University of Saskatchewan provost Brett Fairbairn resigns" - Megan loves summer
Dean Dad (Matt Reed) weighs in: I don't disagree with his analysis, but he doesn't address the part where the dean in question is also a tenured member of the faculty. - Catherine Pellegrino
That thing affirmed my existing belief that I have *no place whatever* in administration. Gag orders can sukkit. The notion that open/public dissent is treachery can also sukkit. - RepoRat
I just. I'm SO STUCK on this idea that passive aggression is fine as long as it's covert, covert backstabbing is fine, gossip networks are totes fine, but PUBLIC DISAGREEMENT OMG VAPORS. IDEK. I can't. Explains a lot about my deep-sixed career, though. - RepoRat
that... pretty much covers it, yeah. - RepoRat
Compfight has gone ot the dogs. Even with CC search on, all the images I like are Shutterstock subscription images. ANy other good conceptual image search tools y'all can recomend?
I tend to use Flickr with CC selected in an advanced search, though their new layout drives me bonkers. Also Google Images now has a usage rights limiter under "search tools." - barbara fister
Planning to publish a conf report in a LIS OA journal : what's your favorite ?
what's the topic? - RepoRat
OA and ebooks - marlene
Wherever it goes, wanna read it. - barbara fister
JLSC might take it as commentary. Check the November special issue. I don't know how D-Lib gets its conference reviews, but I do know they publish them. - RepoRat
Practical Academic Librarianship might take it? - Hedgehog
C&RL News might be an option. - kaijsa
Thanks for all the suggestions ! I'll blog the conference anyway, but in french. - marlene
Barbara : here's the programme - marlene
merci bien. - barbara fister
You're welcome / de rien ! :-) - marlene
laura x
If any of you all have further Shelf Locations you want added to our catalog, speak now or forever hold your peace.
I think you probably missed the four shelves in my office. Could you add those? - lris
There's that odd shelf in tech services where all the mystery items go - maʀtha
Continental - Pete : Team Marina
Chattanooga - Marianne
"Workroom" (= Where Books Go To Die) - Catherine Pellegrino
"Workroom" is way too general. You need to break it down into the librarian's office, the information services office, the collections department office, and various other offices belonging to departments that were reorganised away several years ago. Also don't forget the location for the inventory test runs you did in 2005, 2002, and 1997. (As part of our ongoing migration to a new... more... - Deborah Fitchett
Bindery Workroom, Weeding Shelves, Weeded Shelves, Compost, Garden, KEEEEL IT WITH FYRE AND LAVA - Aaron the Librarian
*whispers*dumpster*whispers* - RepoRat
Nah, Repo--we recycle at my library. And we get rid of the goddam records. - laura x from iPhone
i once worked at a public library and found a shelf list card for a book that had somethng to do with sex (forget the details) and the hand written location was "in the closet." For reelz. - barbara fister
^^^ Dear FF: I want the ability to "like" comments. RIGHT NOW PLEASE. - Catherine Pellegrino
We cut way back on the location codes. A collection of 6 books really doesn't merit it's own location code. - Rochelle *boom* Hartman
Steele Lawman
Steve's guide to weeding: if there's a chicken on the cover of a philosophy book, don't weed it. It just hasn't found its reader yet.
So this chicken comes into the library and says, "BOOK book book book!" The librarian's slightly bemused but gives it a book and the chicken goes away happy. However shortly afterwards it brings the book back again and repeats, "BOOK book book book!" The librarian checks in the book, checks out another book, and off the chicken goes. But then it comes back a third time, "BOOK book book book!" - Deborah Fitchett
Well now the librarian's really curious, so gives the chicken its third book then takes a coffee break and follows it all sneaky-like. And there the chicken takes the book down to a nearby pond and offers it to a frog, who says, "Reddit! Reddit!" - Deborah Fitchett
^^^ chuckle. - barbara fister
ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
Curious question from a faculty member about citing material from a website. See "formal academic use is unacceptable" at - text of website below
"Formal academic use is unacceptable. I no longer grant any requests to academics (graduate students/professors) to use my content in any way. It is stressful and triggers anxiety to have people in doctoral programs—some of the same programs that rejected me—want my work and ask for it on a daily basis while I struggle. My work is pilfered regularly and over 30 colleges and universities appear in my Stat Counter on a daily basis, with people combing through pages of my content for hours at times. I do not authorize my work cited in any academic context, to be used in any academic/panel presentations or anything of that sort. See: I Could Not Be Any More Tired Of Academia And I Am Not Even A Part Of It" - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
Does copyright cover the author to refuse to have their work cited in any academic context at all? Does someone have to request permission before citing the author's content (with the understanding that permission is required for *reproducing* content)? - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
Bizarre. Why put something on the web you don't want read ? I don't think you can prevent people from citing or quoting small bits in reviews or criticism - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Haven't read it yet. This person does not want scholarly academic credit for work done? Really? - Joe
Citation doesn't even involve copyright (no copying happens!). A few quotes would be a strong fair use case. - RepoRat
Sucks to be that person. - DJF
to me it sounds like she's just pissed because she didn't get into a program...and she doesn't understand how copyright works. while they wouldn't be able to use images without her permission, at least for publication use, quotes/citations would be just fine and would fall under fairuse. also she licenses the entire blog under a NonCommercial-NoDerivs 3.0 creative commons license, so she can't just block a portion of the population from using her work, as long as they abide by the rules set - Sir Shuping is just sir
I understand her reasoning (in terms of being angry with academics), I just hadnt heard of a non-academic-use argument in citing things, and was curious. Though I would throw it into the LSW tank for good measure. :) - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
Sure, on a practical level, I really don't see how anyone could be kept from quoting and citing her work since it's on the open web. However, anyone who respects the CC license she's put up would have to be very careful, since that would limit academic use--would have to be published OA, I'd think, to adhere to the non-commercial part. And non-derivative is certainly highly arguable in... more... - Kirsten
^Kirsten - I made that argument to the faculty member, noting that the gist of the material she's working with should be findable in other writings where the use is condoned (or even encouraged) by the writer. - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
In the US, there is no recognition of the "moral rights" of copyright ( which does existing in many other countries. This seems like it falls into this area, as it's specifically the wishes of the creator as to how their work is used that's at question. Copyright law has _nothing_ to do with the wishes of the creator in the... more... - Jason Griffey
even citing moral rights (we have'em) wouldn't really work here. moral rights has more to do with the use of the content, not the mention of it. you can request not to be cited by academics, but i can't think of a legal device for enforcing it - jambina
Moral rights don't give the creator the ability to stop people from citing one's work. - DJF from Android
Sorry I wasn't more clear...I was just noting that her wishes about the use of her work would fall under moral rights, not under copyright law as it's understood in the US. I don't think there's a legal leg here at all, for either moral or copyright. Jambina and DJF are spot on (as usual). - Jason Griffey
I would strongly suggest NOT contacting the author in this case (which you probably did suggest to the faculty person) since she says she mostly hates being contacted and if they're just going to claim fair use why bother her about it. - Marianne
Overall, I don't have anything to add about the law (which I don't think she's really interested in), but I do think it's cool that she's willing to say "THIS IS WHAT I WANT" in such a no-holds-barred way (even though it's very different from what I would want). The individuality of that strikes me as very 1996-Internet-ish, which always makes me happy. - Marianne
Yabbut ... there's a real problem with people not getting the separation between ownership of one's things (which implies total discretion about what you decide to do with it) and the expression over which one has only limited rights, not total rights. I think the phrase "intellectual property" was a terrible mistake. It's not like other forms of property ownership. - barbara fister
Well, it's not property. That's the first thing to remember. - DJF from Android
barbara, I don't think this author is asserting ownership of property, she's asserting unwillingness for her labor to be exploited, and calling people out on their willingness to use her work - which, in my admittedly half-assed reading and among many other things, *specifically* addresses inequality and injustice for those who won't play various games of whiteness - in ways that she... more... - Marianne
There was some really interesting discussion in the comments, too, re: academics' need to use the voices of other people to connect with their intended audiences: and - Regular Amanda
Legally, she can't stop anyone. That's partly because the law privileges a white understanding of intellectual property in ways that end up systematically benefitting those who are able and willing to play the academia game at the expense of those who won't or can't. I won't speak for what *she* feels, but if people thought what *I* wrote was good enough to cite (thus sending trolls and... more... - Deborah Fitchett
Yeah, I see. It's not that she objects to being cited. She objects to be patronized and exploited. "I am always asked for something. I am never offered anything." And apparently expected to feel flattered for being asked. - barbara fister
I follow this author on Twitter and she gets trolled constantly by racists, both well-meaning and non. Can understand her fatigue. - YvonneM
ACRL proposal submitted. I think this is my first one ever? Slacker librarian am I.
hey, i got one in too! DINNER IN PORTLAND WITH IRIS PLEASE. - jambina
YES - lris
omg, I'm totally going! #YayIris - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
(I will probably attend, but who knows if my proposal will be excepted, or if I'll get funding without an excepted proposal.) YAY LSW GATHERING - lris
I'm going to try to go - maʀtha
We're prepping our proposal, too. I can't wait to see all of you! - Marie from iPhone
I'm wondering if I should come up with a second proposal... I really want to have SOMETHING accepted so I can go. :) - lris
i was just thinking exactly the same thing - jambina
If you wanted to hear me talk about something (or present a poster on something), what might that be? - lris
was the first about your instruction awesomeness? - jambina
I don't have that (but thank you), and no. :) The first was about simple and fun emergency planning. - lris
Something about citation? Or teaching with the new IL framework and threshold concepts? Or working through chronic illness? - lris
next ACRL is going to be wall-to-wall Threshold Concepts. I'd aim for something else. - Catherine Pellegrino
Good point! - lris
ACRL 2015? - aaron
Indeed - lris
oh didn't know was still open for proposals. - aaron from BuddyFeed
Today's the deadline day. - barbara fister
Write fast. - Betsy
laura x
Hail me, for lo, I have spent half an hour on the telephone explaining the clearing of the browsing history from Internet Explorer, the downloading and installing of Google Chrome, and the nature of the web browser, the search box, and the address bar.
I trouble shot my dads printer problem over the phone for an hour last week. I feel your pain. - Steve C Team Marina
for whom were you doing this? - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Library patron. The URL to our catalog changed slightly when we moved to Polaris, and so all the people who had bookmarked it were freaking out because it wasn't loading, and etc. - laura x
omg, so you'll be getting A LOT of these calls? - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
is there any way to pull a redirect? .htaccess? - RepoRat
So far we've only gotten a handful of calls about it, so it hasn't been a huge problem--nowhere near as huge a problem as the unwillingness of the new site to load in IE or to load at all some days, etc., etc. As Rochelle once wisely noted, it seems like a great idea to roll out your new website and your new ILS at the same time, but actually, it's not. - laura x
Oy gevalt. If it were me, I'd tell the IE folks to type in the address bar. Then I'd walkem through downloading and installing Firefox. Bwahahahah. - Mary B: #TeamMonique
That's more or less what I was doing. But it is time-consuming for those who are afraid of computers. - laura x
Every time a librarian convinces a user to switch from IE, an angel gets its wings. - Jen
What do we get if we convince IT to make a browser other than IE the default on student computers? - maʀtha
A flock. - barbara fister
The flock browser? - Joe
laura x
Oh look, it's another one of those white supremacist tracts thrown into Academic Search Elite (see
Lovely. My tax dollars at work. (Yeah, I know, censorship yada yada.... but I don't like crappy publications being supported with money from libraries who just say "whatever, we'll take whatever you got; we like big numbers of full text titlesl." That goes for just generally low-quality "scholarly" journals, too.) - barbara fister
"Notes: This title is not held locally." - Steele Lawman
Yes. That actually kind of means nothing. Well, it usually means we don't have a print copy, but it doesn't always mean there's no electronic access. Once in awhile I try to figure it out and then I give up. - laura x
Great Neck Publishing. EBSCO has loads of titles from them. Seems to be a serious metadata fail here--EBSCO document type is "historical material" but date is 2009. - JffKrlsn from Android
it's the ideology that EBSCO is wishful-thinking to be "historical" - Steele Lawman
I dug up this old thread (thank you, FF search!) because I wanted to use one or the other of these examples in a presentation for faculty in a few weeks, and discovered some interesting things: first, we have Academic Search Premier, which I have always understood to be a subset of AS Complete and a superset of AS Elite, but we have neither American Renaissance (as per Carol's comment... more... - Catherine Pellegrino
And then second, CUFTS helpfully told me that American Renaissance is indexed (with full text) from 2006 through 2011 in ProQuest Ethnic Newswatch, which I find marvelously ironic. - Catherine Pellegrino
I just checked in SFX and the only places it's listed are two PQ databases (Alt Press Watch is the other, but both through 2012). And Ulrichs lists it as ceased. So yeah, looks like EBSCO yanked it entirely and it's gone out of business. - Kirsten
Oh, hey, this may be the first time I've ever done a little dance of celebration around a ceased journal. :) (another LSW thread on the topic here has more details: I'm still looking for an example -- beyond the obvious Time, Newsweek, People, etc. -- of "crap you don't want students citing, right here in <strikethrough>River City</strikethrough> our databases!" Any suggestions? - Catherine Pellegrino
Proquest has Seattle's The Stranger. - DJF from Android
Stephen Francoeur
Do you know by heart your library ID# or barcode #?
Yes. Both work and my local public library. - ellbeecee
For work yes, PL no. - Pete : Team Marina
90257862952. Yep. - RepoRat
Nope, but my browser has it stored. I just have to remember the first digit (7). - Catherine Pellegrino
Yes! though I got a new barcode on my ID and didn't tell the library system. - barbara fister
I don't know my barcode #, but I know the alternate ID I created for it. - Katy S
nope - DJF
barbara, how do you check things out, then? - DJF
I do have mine saved as a keyboard shortcut tho - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Yep. - Jason P
I know the numbers of my PL one, but can never remember what order they go in. Work? Maybe first three digits, on a good day. (Remembering random strings of numbers is not a strong suit.) - Kirsten
I remember my credit-card number too. (Not gonna type it here tho. Don't ask.) - RepoRat
I JUST finally memorized it after 8 years. - Rochelle *boom* Hartman
I couldn't learn the first one. They gave me a new one when I moved, and for some reason that one was a breeze to learn. - Betsy
RR, what's your credit card number (by heart, please, and with CCV and exp date)? - Uli
Yes, all 14 digits of it! - Lisa Hinchliffe
I can probably be attacked via social engineering. BUT IT'S GONNA BE HARDER THAN THAT Y'ALL. - RepoRat
you mean there are people who DON'T have their credit card numbers memorized? - DJF
I don't have mine memorized … relying instead on the keyboard shortcut. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
No. This is this first card I've had since junior high where I didnt tho. also first time I've had a publib w/ username for placing holds that wasnt my card# - Hedgehog from Android
I can, however tell you a number from jr high/high school 120204588926 - Hedgehog from Android
i know my publib one but not my work one - Christina Pikas
Work, yes; public no. This work one is much shorter than the last which I also knew (and shorter than the public). - Rebecca Hedreen
Nope, I keep it in a password-locked local Evernote note so I can copy/paste whenever I need to log in and renew things. - MontglaneChess
Work yes, pub lib no - Joe
I have had it memorized for years. - Julian
I have everything memorized. It's a curse. I still remember some NDC codes from when I was a pharmacy assistant and CPT codes from when I worked at a surgery center. - kaijsa
00085-1132 is an albuterol inhaler. Never forget! - kaijsa
Yes and everyone at my library is amazed I have it memorized - John: Thread Killer
Our ID system doesn't talk to our patron records, so I have no idea what my new barcode is - and neither does our ILS. I aim to keep it that way rather than memorize a new 14-digit number. - barbara fister
I am with Kaijsa. I have managed to forget a few barcodes, but 6-20-16 was my junior high locker combo. - laura x from iPhone
Nope. I know my Texas driver license number, though. - Meg VMeg
I did, but then I became a donor to the library and they issued me a special card. That's nice, but it had a new number :( - Heather Piwowar from iPhone
sure, although it's not really required because my browser will remember it ... thankfully, for work and school it's all connected to AD logins so there's nothing extra to remember. - henry
Work yes, public no. - Steele Lawman
Public library, 14 digits, yes. :) - Rachel Walden
Mostly - FLEMING from Android
barbara fister
Caption contest!
"Winner of the ACRL's prestigious Herman J. Schmidlap Award for Irony in a Scholarly Publication." - Catherine Pellegrino
(no caption, but if you need it, I have access) (I WANT to have an snarky yet witty caption but dammit, the helpful side just comes out) - ellbeecee
"Man, if only I could access this article about what happens when people lose access." - Andy
"I'd recommend this article to my librarian, but my library has shut its doors." - Regular Amanda
^^^^^^^^^^ win, sadly. - RepoRat
by The Government of Canada. - John Dupuis
(Health Canada library closures do seem to be mentioned in the article. Not coincidentally, they are also in the news right now: - John Dupuis
Good news coverage. - barbara fister
This morning's pre-caffeinated intellectual hamster wheel of librarian geekery: Are newspaper blogs any different, really, than newspaper articles? Should they really be cited as a different format? Is there any difference in authoritative quality/value?
I think so, yes. I would think of blogs as the step before a printed editorial, I think. AFAIK, there's not the editorial process fully in place for them, and the speed of publication causes some concerns for quality. - ~Courtney F
It probably varies from one paper to another. In some cases, they are essentially op/ed columns, with some appearing in print (cf Krugman @ nyt). In some newsrooms there are different editors for digital. It's all very confused. I think rather than "newspaper article" we should think in terms of "news" vs "opinon" vs "feature" but citations don't do that. i have been noodling a threshold concept - type concept on this very thing. - barbara fister
I would cite them as blogs. perhaps with more credibility than your average blog, but with less credibility than a printly, published op-ed piece, and mostly less gravitas than a published news story. Tho as bf notes, there are exceptions. #formerNewspaperLibn #CurrentJournalismSchoolLibn - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
I think format is going to become less and less important going forward. We need to teach students (and faculty) to evaluate each source on its own merits. I'm not saying format doesn't matter at all, just that it is nothing in itself to hang one's hat on. - maʀtha
Exactly. But as new formats emerge, we have to make sure we understand them (this thread brought to you by trying to figure out if I understand newspaper blogs. And the merits therein..... News blogs are fine/perfect for the content analysis I'm doing right now about rhetoric of the Bundy situation. But as I have been reading them in such quantity, I'm finding the only way I really know... more... - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
A couple of our local crazy fuc*ers are "official" bloggers for the statewide newspaper, so yeah, I'd cite them differently. - Louise "Weezy" Alcorn
news articles are more likely to have been edited by a professional editor and/or at least another person with journalistic experience. Not sure about news blogs; I might ask around to see what my colleagues' consensus is on that. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Meg VMeg
I'm teaching Scrivener (in combination with Zotero) tomorrow (for the first time). Any advice/thoughts would be much appreciated, though you are all probably asleep by now.
I am not asleep, only 9:15 here. But I don't know scrivener. Sorry. - Joe
Interesting. Also don't know scrivener - but curious why/to whom you are teaching it. - barbara fister
Fascinating. I had a student in my office trying to figure out how to make Scrivener work with Zotero, and we were unable to come up with a solution that worked for him. I;m assuming this workshop means we missed something? (would you be willing to share your slides or worksheets or notes?) - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
this is what we recommend for Zotero/Scrivener integration: ; for smaller projects, RTF scan will often do, too: - adamsmith
Yep, we found those. He did not like either option. (I think the key part of our dilemma was in finding what "worked for him" and he wanted something seamless. Lo, the impossible dreams!) - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
oooooh i'd like to see that. I've got Scrivener on my laptop for my GREAT AMERICAN NOVEL. heh - LibrarianOnTheLoose
I was teaching Scrivener and Zotero (and their potential integration) to history grad students (a few of whom apparently use Scrivener to manage their digitized primary sources rather than as a writing tool, which was interesting). Hey, does anyone know if you can mix Zotero-formatted footnotes with normal non-citation footnotes in Word? I assume not, but can't find anything official, and can't install Zotero on my computer until they fix it. - Meg VMeg
don't know about Z, but in RefWorks, you can. the way you insert a citation footnote is to use word's feature and then hit the insert there... it's probably the same - Christina Pikas
Zotero actually renders the footnote though. I guess inserting it using Word is still an option, if you needed to have non-citation formats. - Meg VMeg
Hot damn, you can mix Zotero-formatted footnotes and Word-inserted (non-citation) footnotes in Word for Windows 2010, at least. I'm stunned. It re-numbers everything when you move from Chicago to APA and back. - Meg VMeg
That works for all word processors with Zotero add-on (would be a disaster if it didn't). Zotero actually just tells the program "insert footnote here", so it's doing the same thing you do when inserting a footnote manually. - adamsmith
I am well used to those kinds of disasters :) - Meg VMeg
One of my goals from my performance evaluation is to create learning objectives for some of my one-shot sessions. In the past I've gotten some resistance from my supervisor when I've suggested adding a form of assessment to the end of1 shots. We typically use an end of semester Likert scale questionnaire. I think she's worried....
..that doing both is too much assessment. Thoughts? - YvonneM
there's such a thing as "too much assessment"? *boggles* - RepoRat
too much if there's survey fatigue... but i don't think that's the case here. I think you should do some assessment at the end of each class - Christina Pikas
So, the Likert thing is at the end of the semester? And you're wanting to do a quickie-assessment thing at the end of your session? I can't see how that could be "too much" since they're so widely separated in time. - Catherine Pellegrino
Let's break the assumption that assessment = separate survey. Much better to use performance analysis anyway. Just gather up the work students are doing in the session as part of learning and analyze it. Saves class time too. - Lisa Hinchliffe
Also (and you probably know this, which is why you're wanting to add some assessment to your one-shot), what you learn from an assessment is VERY VERY DIFFERENT from what you learn as a result of a Likert-scale "were you satisfied" survey. *cough* *cough* - Catherine Pellegrino
And ALSO, Lisa is very very smart. :) - Catherine Pellegrino
Thanks everyone. A few years back I asked her about using Survey Monkey and she reacted negatively. & I don't know how to address this reaction whenever i bring up 1 shot assessment--almost as if she thinks I'm dissing the survey, which she created?.** Lisa, they usually end up searching through databases--should I give them a mini-assignment, like writing down their search terms, and then collect these during class + hand them back? Sorry if this is a silly question. - YvonneM
Yvonne, something like that is what we do for our 1-shots with freshmen. Here's some info and sample assignments/assessments: and - ~Courtney F
I struggle with what Lisa said. Whatever worksheets/in-class work I have them do in class I want to leave the room with them, in however faint hope that they will feel inspired to keep moving on the roll we got them on. The time between a successful initial search and my grading/returning the worksheet to them feels like a damage.... - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
We look at student work - papers, projects - for signs of information literate life, but not to directly assess learning that librarians directly facilitate. More to see what our seniors are capable of and where they are still struggling. Our indirect one shot assessments as about confidence and ask them some other what-if type questions. We just decided to give it a rest next year to... more... - barbara fister
Well, RudĩϐЯaЯïan - in the olden days we used NCR paper for their worksheets so they left a copy. But, now, maybe have the worksheet be an online form that emails to them and you? - Lisa Hinchliffe
YvonneM - yes, exactly! I'd pick one thing you want them to learn, ask yourself about how you would know if they learned it, and then collect the activity they'd do to show it to you. I love figuring this stuff out so please feel free to describe in more detail or shoot me an email with specifics! :) - Lisa Hinchliffe
we've started using shared Google Docs with our students (previously used NCR worksheets). - ~Courtney F
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