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the shining apollo monolith http://www.jayweidner.com/Shining...
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On the rocket clearly seen on Danny's sweater are the words: APOLLO 11. The audience watching the film literally sees the launch of Apollo 11, right before their eyes, as Danny rises from the floor. It isn't the real launch of Apollo 11, it is, of course, the symbolic launching of Apollo 11. In other words - it isn't real..
- FNORDGWAR
Tension grows between Calif. Muslims, FBI after informant infiltrates mosque - http://911blogger.com/news...
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Wikileaks is surely a U.S. counter-intelligence operation. It is simply a new portal for an old tactic. Government agents have long been packaging certain key... - http://acebaker.blogspot.com/2010...
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bwhahahahahahahahahaha @andrewbreitbart just axed from @ABCNEWS coverage !!!!!
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infowarsstories: FBI Cooked Up DC Bomb Plot: RT | Farooque Ahmed believed the people he interacted with al-Qaeda, but they were the FBI. http://bit.ly/dB7URE - http://twitter.com/infowar...
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4 Dozen
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katy is so mean.
- holly #ravingfangirl
ummmm
- Comics Forge
katy needs to share
- Sir Shuping is just sir
As an added bonus, since the donut shop clerk claimed they were small (I thought they were normal), she gave me a discount and only charged me $14.60. And that included the extra donut I bought for myself (a yeast donut filled with chocolate cream). They normally cost a bit over $6 a dozen.
- Katy S
dibs on the coconut one!
- Marie
I'll take the cinnamon sugar ones!
- Sir Shuping is just sir
Some people advocate buying fresh local produce. I advocate buying fresh local donuts.
- Katy S
what are the pinkish colored ones? they look good, whatever they are. :)
- holly #ravingfangirl
Those are cherry! The ones that are sort of tan with dark dots are blueberry.
- Katy S
ooh, yum. I thought those others were likely blueberry. also one of my favorites. man, I realllllllllly want donuts now.
- holly #ravingfangirl
And now I want donuts...*sigh*
- Hookuh Tinypants
They make a really good apple-spice donut, too.
- Katy S
oh *swoon* I could totally go for a pumpkin spice donut too. the good reasonably close place is closed today, so my only other option is Krispy Kreme. sigh.
- holly #ravingfangirl
This place opens really early and closes really late most of the year. It's near a lot of lakes (and across the street from a large chain of lakes), so it gets a lot of traffic from people at the lakes, people fishing, etc. When I was a kid, my grandpa would take me there in the boat. The bait shop is on the other side of the road - where the docks are. It's all very handy.
- Katy S
lucky!
- holly #ravingfangirl
Yeah, but it's also a dangerous temptation.
- Katy S
If I squint my eyes, this is indistinguishable from an orgy scene in a porno.
- bill giltner
I'll have one of those old fashioneds with my coffee plskthx.
- vicster
May I have a chocolate glazed please?
- ☆ Mellyboo ☆
ummmmm need one
- Isil
Glenn Beck Channels Alex Jones to Sell Globalist Snake Oil - http://www.infowars.com/glenn-b...
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@GlennBeck Channels Alex Jones to Sell Globalist Snake Oil http://j.mp/9W0obZ
- Jana Murray
"Thanks for playing. Here's your candy."
Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce, ANJELINABANANA, bill giltner and 15 other people liked this
haha this is priceless!!!!!!!!
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
love her.
- Brent
lol, who is she?
- Friendfeed's Francisco
Amy Sedaris' character from "Strangers With Candy" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Brent
She does have a way about her, doesn't she.
- Mark J
The International Center for 9/11 Studies has secured the release of hundreds of hours of video footage and tens of thousands of photographs used by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) for its investigation of the collapse of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7. - http://www.reddit.com/r...
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#FFdailypic - Louisville FFeedup! - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Yay!
- LB shining
I see Amber! =)
- Anika
Good gravy, FFers are a good lookin' bunch! =)
- Anna Haro
Who is that with the sunglasses?
- Rochelle
actually, maybe you could ID all of them so I can see if my guesses are correct.
- Vicarbott
From left: Laura, Michelle (http://friendfeed.com/michell...), Mathew (http://friendfeed.com/mathewb...), Tony (who isn't on FF but should be), and Amber (http://friendfeed.com/ambersp...). :) Good times! Good food! UPDATE: Tony is on FF! http://friendfeed.com/ayew
- LB shining
w00t. 100%!
- Vicarbott
Even Tony? You win!
- LB shining
well, no. Not Tony but he's not on FF yet.
- Vicarbott
Laura B. is good people! I'm glad we got to show you a little bit of Louisville.
- Michelle Jones
from iPhone
I love this picture so much!!! <3
- Derrick
Win :)
- Maria Niles
:)
- Steven Perez
bump (LB should update his linkage)
- The Amber
Done!
- LB shining
Sander Hicks at Alternet: the power structure has never felt compelled to produce an objective investigation of the 9/11 attacks - http://911blogger.com/news...
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infowarsstories: Facebook Deletes Official Alex Jones Page Over Gadsden Flag: Paul Joseph Watson | Social networking giant has emba... http://bit.ly/a5FWDy - http://twitter.com/infowar...
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Lis: "That song 'Defying Gravity' [from Wicked]? It's about Christina Hendricks' boobs."
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Our entire conversation during the play's intermission last night was about boobs. And then we discovered that the play's director had been sitting right behind us the whole time. :)
- Jandy
Awesome
- RAPatton
See also: http://ff.im/nOLQ3
- Jandy
o_O
- Lix
ROFL
- Chieze Okoye
Just for the record, we both have mad love for Christina Hendricks. We're just not sure how the actual physics of...that...work.
- Jandy
I just assumed it was magic or something along those lines.
- Jonathan Hardesty
The director also told us we were very insightful! This was the world premiere of the play, but it's still in the beginning stages...
- Lis
I can't wait for all the people to complain about my new blog post. Most common complaint will easily be "tldr"
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OK... so now I can't wait to see the blog post, only... you didn't post the url ?? (if this was a marketing ploy it worked, note to self... do what this guy just did:)
- Chris Phelps
Chris, I am a terrible marketer of myself, so no ploy was involved. My posts come through Twitterfeed and Google Reader very quickly though.
- Rob Diana
tldr version: "However, if you review the sections presented above, WordPress has a very difficult case in trying to prove that Thesis has violated the GPL V2 license. "
- Meryn Stol
It would be interesting to see how the "dynamic linking = derivative work" argument would play out in the courtroom, but it doesn't look like it would even go that far since there's actually WordPress code in Thesis.
- Victor Ganata
Nick, that is an interesting post. There seems to be something in Thesis that is copied from WordPress, which means Thesis could be in trouble, but not premium themes in general. The other question is whether this code is a commonly accepted algorithm or not.
- Rob Diana
There is nothing particually complex about the code, but it's the common variable names that give it away as being copied. For example it would be highly unlikely for two independant implementations to use the "$r" variable name, as well as exactly the same key/value pairs (eg "page => per_page").
- Nick Lothian
The pictures from Saturday's game have started to trickle in. Below you see: 1 me giving an illegal hit (oops!); 2-3 me giving legal hits; 4 white team letting our jammer through; 5 me giving our jammer the shirt off my back; 6 me knocking the crap out of a ref during a twisted jam; 7 the aftermath of the ref hit (yes, he's falling on top of me)
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Tina, you're a bad ass. That's all.
- Jenny R
sorry for my ignorence but what is the name of this sport?
- ipek aral kişioğlu
Ipek, this is flat track roller derby. There are leagues all across the US and around the world, so chances are there's one near you!
- FFing Enigma
Thanks :)
- ipek aral kişioğlu
I like the first photo: it looks like it was taken in the 60s.
- Akiva
Two questions -- I thought it was called a match not a game or do both apply? What is with the Canadian flag?
- Brian Sullivan
MVB, I don't know if it's possible to be too forward with derby girls. Just know that they tend to hit when they get offended =D
- FFing Enigma
Brian, it's actually called a bout but some people get confused if I say "We had a bout Saturday" thinking it's a typo and that I meant "about". The flag is because we play in a roller hockey rink, and as with most hockey establishments they have both the US and Canadian flag up for the national anthems before games.
- FFing Enigma
Since I know Dave won't kill me I'll say this, Tina looks hawt in her Derby regalia.
- G Dub of the Carolinas
Gunny knows cause Gunny wuz there! What he fails to mention is that my face turns purple after skating a lot. What he doesn't know is I have a nasty patch of fishnet patterned rink rash on my right thigh and the fishnets are again relegated to non-skating event wear only. Ouch!!
- FFing Enigma
You also get lots of other people's sharpie marks on you. :D
- G Dub of the Carolinas
Yup! The back right quarter of my white jersey is grey and/or black after Saturday.
- FFing Enigma
First time I hear of this sport.
- Richard A.
Richard (and Ipek) you can learn more about roller derby by visiting http://www.derbynewsnetwork.com and http://www.wftda.com
- FFing Enigma
I'll read that properly after the current match.
- Richard A.
I've been doing it about a year now and have been able to avoid any major injuries so far. Have gotten some good bruises, rink rash, and a spectacular black eye =)
- FFing Enigma
Tina, you're so awesome.
- Josh Haley
Tina is quite the kick-arse derby girl! Cool pics of your bout! Though, from the pic, it does look like you are taking the ref out on purpose! ;)
- JA Castillo
she was the reffs were the jammers in that round
- G Dub of the Carolinas
Really?! hahahaha...wow, then what a take down!
- JA Castillo
I have no idea what this is about, but I'm awed
- Mo Kargas
Yeah, we had a 30 minute period of twisted jams in this bout, Jason. Lots of skaters got to beat up on some refs =) Mo, there are a couple of derby leagues in Australia so you might be able to catch some live if they're near by.
- FFing Enigma
I'm good
- Mo Kargas
Which picture, MDV?
- FFing Enigma
That's Jenuine Pain and no, she's not married. Can't remember if she's still seeing someone though.
- FFing Enigma
Y'all - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
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"Y'all, is a contraction or informal form of the phrase "you all", and is pronounced as one syllable (yawl) or two (YEW-awl). It is used as a plural second-person pronoun. Commonly believed to have originated in the Southern United States, it is primarily associated with Southern American English, African-American Vernacular English, and some dialects of the Western United States and the Midwestern United States.[1] It is also used outside the United States in the English-speaking islands of the West Indies, Sri Lankan English"
- Micah
from Bookmarklet
i know that water tower!
- Marie
I kind of miss seeing it. I used to pass it all the time going to visit a good friend at UC.
- The Amber
Contrary to Hollywood, Y'all is NEVER to be used when addressing just one person. My English teacher told us that Y'all was perfectly acceptable English and accepted its use, where appropriate, in class assignments.
- iTad
Sadly, very few people say Y'all in Arizona, so I've almost quit saying it entirely, though it's nice when I go home or talk to my parents and get to say it again without feeling like a hick.
- iTad
I know that tower too y'all.
- G Dub of the Carolinas
Southern girl mating call: "Hey y'all! I'm drunk!!"
- iTad
My middle school Spanish teacher used y'all on the conjugation charts since English doesn't have a simpler translation for the extra verb form/pronoun.
- The Amber
y'all is not singular. It's already plural. Only people who aren't from the south try to use y'all as singular. And I use it all the time, because English needs a plural second person pronoun, and y'all is better than youse.
- Jandy
famous redneck last words: "hey y'all watch this"
- G Dub of the Carolinas
Thank you Jandy.
- The Amber
Y'all is plural, but All Y'all is MORE plural.
- iTad
All y'all is for emphasis. :)
- Jandy
As a northerner who moved south, I can get used to saying y'all. I still can't get use to - fixin
- Mike Nencetti
I'll love "all y'all".
- Derrick
I just say fin, Mike.
- The Amber
I can even do "fixin" with no problem. And I've never lived in the south. Apparently having a mom from Alabama is all you need. :)
- Jandy
I'm fixin to explain all about fixin.
- iTad
It's fittin to not fixing or fixin' as in "I'm fittin ta git some supper y'all wanna come""
- G Dub of the Carolinas
Tad, I think you mean you're fixin to 'splain 'bout fixin.
- Jandy
Paging cecily
- G Dub of the Carolinas
"the common plural of "y'all" is "all y'all."" - 'Y'all' is already plural. 'All y'all' just add emphasis, as in Cecily's example.
- John Craft
No. 'splain is not proper Southern. At least not proper Mississippi Southern.
- iTad
The days of the week are also different: Mondy, Tuesdy, Wednesdy, Thursdy, Fridy.
- iTad
In the South, my name has two syllables - Tayad. Ask my mom or Lindsay (if she's tired and not trying to cover up her accent). In fact, in Mississippi there are very few 1 syllable words.
- iTad
'Splain is Ricky Ricardo Cuban ;)
- John Craft
This thread sounds a lot like the random Timelords ep I recorded with Cecily. :D
- G Dub of the Carolinas
Perfect use of 'all y'all': "But I got a word of warning for all you would-be warriors. When you join my command, you take on debit. A debit you owe me personally. Each and every man under my command owes me one hundred Nazi scalps! And I want my scalps! And all y'all will git me one hundred Nazi scalps, taken from the heads of one hundred dead Nazis! Or you will die tryin'. "
- John Craft
"All ya'll" is a clarification of the intent of the questioner. For example, if I was to ask "Ya'll going out drinking?" then I'm interesting in knowing if the group or any subset thereof is going to the bar. However, if I were to ask "All ya'll going out drinking?", then I'm more interested in whether the *entire* group is going to the bar.
- Otto
Fixin' is an unusual one, I admit. It means to get ready to do something. However, if you pluralize it, it means food (fixin's).
- Otto
"y'all" is better than "youse" unless you're in philly, where "y'all" will get you laughed out of a room but "youse" makes you one of the family.
- Marie
Yep, y'all has plural built in. Its the equivalent of "youse guys" in the Northeast.
- JCunwired
Wow. This thread a'sploded. SEE ALSO http://friendfeed.com/micahwi...
- Micah
I don't know about all y'all, but I'm fixin' ta have a nice weekend. That work on the desk? I'll get to it directly.
- John Craft
I always spell it wrong - ya'll. I know that is another word / contraction entirely.
- Paulette
I also spell it ya'll, Paulette. And all ya'll forgot another southernism: right quick. As in "I need to go to the store right quick".
- FFing Enigma
thanks much. :)
- Mike Nencetti
"you'uns" is a particular subset of "y'all" - as in "y'all can go to the concert, but you'uns gotta be back before the rest."
- ωαřмaiden ☆TeamOtto☆
We need a specialized contraction words school.
- Micah
The equivalent old English would be "Ye" as in "Abandon hope all ye who enter here".
- Tim Ostler
Y'all. how long can we keep listing this as charming. It makes users sound like fucking idiots. Sorry to my family in Texas and all, but damn Y'all....bless their hearts....
- Morgan
GAH!!! PEOPLE THE APOSTROPHE GOES BETWEEN THE Y AND THE A NOT THE A AND THE FIRST L. (says the yankee)
- tiffany
battles: pick them wisely
- Morgan
well no one in the UK uses y'all. However if receiving a ribbing from a group of people, a slang retort might be "well youse can fuck right off".
- Toby Graham
In elementary school (in Denver) I had an English teacher from Georgia, from whom I picked up this useful locution.
- Ruchira S. Datta
Does anyone else say "you people"?
- Ruchira S. Datta
West Indies and Sri Lanka? What?
- Wayne Andersen
White/International Orange so must be close to an airport?
- Nick B.
Kaitlyn at 6 months. =)
Lis, aden {Chickadee}, Just Katie and 31 other people liked this
Awwwwwwwww
- Michelle M
The one on the right is from today's trip to the zoo. She's sporting her new stingray hat and newfound stingray friend.
- David Cook
She's so wubbly!
- Anika
<3 Those cheeks!!
- Yolanda
Thank you, ladies. :)
- David Cook
I love that smile!
- joey
Also, her little hat is just slaying me.
- Yolanda
haha! Too cute! x_x
- Anna Haro
Whatever Germany does, the euro as we know it is dead - Telegraph - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance...
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"The euro has many flaws, but its weakest link is Greece, whose fundamental problem is that for years it spent too much, earned too little and plugged the gap by borrowing in order to enjoy a rich man's lifestyle. It flouted EU rules on the limits to budget deficits; its national accounts were a moussaka of minced statistics, topped with a cheesy sauce of jiggery-pokery. By any legitimate measure, Greece was unworthy of eurozone membership. That it achieved card-carrying status was down to the sleight-of-hand skills of its Brussels fixers and the acquiescence of central bank bean-counters."
- Andrew Terry
from Bookmarklet
"What was once deemed unthinkable is now, I believe, inevitable: withdrawal from the eurozone of one or more of its member countries. At the bottom end, Greece and Portugal are favourites to be forced out through weakness. At the top end, proposals are already being floated in the Frankfurt press for a new "hard currency" zone, led by Germany, Austria and the Benelux countries. Either way, rich and poor are heading in opposite directions."
- Andrew Terry
Perhaps... but the bottom line is the Euro experiment is beginning to fail - in exactly the way the Euro (currency) skeptics feared: weaker economies (with corrupt governmental and business practices) can't keep pace with the stronger economies, requiring the stronger economies to step in, which defeats the purpose of a single currency
- Andrew Terry
Germany exports have benefitted from the euro zone, so if you are to make an evaluation of the common currency you have to take in account everything. Euro-skeptics look at the signals they deem interesting as they did from the beginning, no news here.
- Aldo Oldo
you picked up on that, too, then? ;-)
- Andrew Terry
My gala dress is awesome. Your argument is invalid.
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Pretty much and pretty much. :)
- Derrick
You look wonderful!
- Anika
HAWT.
- Kelly
Both are awesome! I have no other words to do the comments!
- dominic
Thanks everyone! :D
- Jessie
That is awesome! Very nice.
- Rachel Lea Fox
You look gorgeous!
- Soup in a TARDIS
Yes. Gorgeous is a great adjective in this case.
- iTad
I think it's beautiful. Is that invalid?
- I like big Botts
*blush blush giggle giggle*
- Jessie
You look beautiful! :)
- Anne Bouey
Hellloooooo, pretty lady
- Kelly
Pretty!
- Andrew David
:D
- Jessie
Holy crap, that is stunning. Take Janine with ya to make her wear something like that.
- SteVe C
I Like What She Says
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I'M IN MY OFFICE. LOL : ) : ) : ) @socailwebsites via
- emil cohen
Welcome Aaron Ulkumen Fox!!! Our new cousin!! Born this March 23rd at 5:13 AM, 6 lbs, 13 oz, 19 inches. Congratulations Craig and Gülden!!
Sharon Newton, Melin Ozturk, Özer (Wrzl) Dölekoğlu and 48 other people liked this
What an awesome moment captured there. Congrats!
- Josh Haley
$fox++; print "Congratulations";
- Mo Kargas
Happiest congratulations!
- Ayşe E.
Thanks all. We are looking forward to meeting him!
- Rachel Lea Fox
hello.world();
- AJ Batac :)
What a great birthday, same as my best friend... Kurosawa marathons and free Ben & Jerry's every year! Congratulations :)
- Lo the Baker
恭喜!
- pastas9
So awesome having another new cousin!
- Kevin Fox
FriendFeed, I love the fuck out of you people.
Lo the Baker, Bryan R. Adams, Derrick and 37 other people liked this
Ditto and junk
- aden {Chickadee}
Really?
- MoTO Bott
fuck yeah ;)
- Meryn Stol
werd.
- imabonehead
leaving a little bit of fuck back for pea, because she needs it. the rest of you? loving all the fuck right out of you!
- Que Sarah Sarah
cool
- MoTO Bott
That's a big fucking deal. :)
- Steven Perez
hey, i want my fuck back. there's not enough fuck in my life these days.
- Joe The Sausage
damn fucking straight you do!
- Laura Norvig
I am slightly aroused by your post, so you must have missed a little bit of 'fuck'. Maybe we could get together and work on that.... :-)
- Morgan
Yay! Love! Yay!
- Mary Carmen
Ahh, that's nice.
- Kevin J Hatton
Hey - there is a fan page group thing on Facebook right now called "Intelligent, Educated Woman who regularly say "Fuck"". Random, I know, but there you have it.
- Martha
#FFdailypic - not grumpy!
chaz2b, Brent - Yes I am, ciw and 25 other people liked this
Happy Laura is happy
- aden {Chickadee}
:)
- Carmen wBabby
wait wait wait, does "not grumpy" = "happy"? It actually doesn't for me, but maybe it does for Laura...I dunno
- Kamala Whitaker
Well, folks were talking about being grumpy today on FF, so I was just showing that I wasn't. It's not always the same as happy here, either.
- LB shining
That smile could light up an undersea tunnel. :)
- Dan: Bibrarian
*blush*
- LB shining
Stunned at the news that an instructor where I work was shot and killed last night. I saw him on Friday, and now...he's gone.
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So sorry to hear D.
- MoTO Bott
Sorry to hear this!
- Mary Carmen
Sorry to hear that, D. It's never easy but sudden is always particularly shocking.
- Spidra Webster
:-(
- John (bird whisperer)
Oh, that's awful. :( Sorry to hear that.
- Rochelle
I'm so sorry!
- Katy S
Very sad.
- Steve Lowe
Tomorrow is going to be a really rough day on campus. He's got two boys. If there's anything of note, it's that they caught the man responsible so hopefully there will be some swift justice.
- Derrick
That is awful, D.
- marthalib
Sorry Derrick :( How horrible :(
- Tamara
Oh, God, that's awful. So sorry.
- laura x
OMG. {hugs}
- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
Oh, wow, Derrick. So sorry to hear this. Prayers for his friends and family. :(
- LB shining
That's terrible, Derrick. My thoughts are with you and the others affected.
- I like big Botts
from FreshFeed
How sad.
- Jack&Cleo
oh, I'm so sorry, D.
- holly #ravingfangirl
:(
- imabonehead
from Android
Sorry to hear that Derrick.
- SAM
Oh wow. :(
- Penguin
OMG, so sorry, D. :(
- Ayşe E.
Derrick, I am so sorry.
- vicster
Sorry D
- The Amber
So sorry :(
- adf
So sad.
- Anne Bouey
So sorry to hear of this, Derrick.
- Sally - Skyrimmin' It
I'm sorry to hear this Derrick. Peace to you, my friend.
- Vicarbott
I'm sorry to hear this, Derrick
- Marissa
Thanks, everyone. I appreciate your thoughts.
- Derrick
Wow
- Rodfather
Sorry to hear about that, Derrick. :(
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Text mesages, FB conversations, etc, Joe.
- Derrick
Wow. That is too bad. Really sorry to hear that bit of news.
- Bryan R. Adams
News is coming out online: http://www.vcstar.com/news...
- Derrick
I'm sorry to hear that... So scary! :(
- Cheryl Jones
Sorry for your loss, Derrick.
- Mark J
That is so unsettling. Sorry to hear.
- Martha
That's awful. :(
- Carmen wBabby
:-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Must be terrible, sorry to hear so - hope indeed justice will be served, that's the least...
- James Kuypers
I haven't gotten updates from Twitter since 3:00 am (via api or web). what gives?
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Pink Floyd and Carly Firorina Because Yes Please! - http://www.indecisionforever.com/2010...
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Now streaming Gadgettes! http://cnettv.cnet.com/9776-12... ... the future is here, and the future freaks us out (episode).
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It's so sad. The level of engagement on Friendfeed seems to have shrunk to nothing. It's still a great aggregator, and has the best web interface of any microblog, but I'm afraid the critters have left the building. -sigh-
Phillip Atencio, hollyrae, Bronson Harrington and 74 other people liked this
I agree - the last month or so I've seen a huge decline. It's sad.
- Jesse Stay
I've seen the opposite on my feed?
- Mo Kargas
In some ways it's my greatest secret - still very useful regardless of engagement. It's definitely not an engagement tool though any more.
- Jesse Stay
Mo, there are a very small group of people that all engage together, but it's not like what it used to be. I get engagement from that group, but no one else any more.
- Jesse Stay
Sorry, Leo, but you're wrong. Plenty of activity in my feed.
- Stephen Mack
from iPhone
It's also the easiest way to the Facebook team, where Bret is now in charge of Platform.
- Jesse Stay
I'm following a set of users here that I would have never found on Twitter or elsewhere -- my feed is mind-blowing. Not tech-focused, tho
- Christopher Galtenberg
I noticed (was too busy to watch) the TWIT live conversation was almost non-existent, and felt sorry for both Friendfeed and TWIT.
- JCunwired
@Jesse Hmm, probably right
- Mo Kargas
The volume may be a little less, but the quality is much improved!
- Ken Morley
Pirillo has a busy helpdesk room here: http://friendfeed.com/helpdesk - not a lot of comments, but lots of posts to the room.
- Jesse Stay
I've seen the opposite too. If anything, things are slowly getting better.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
You understand that when I say "engagement" I don't mean the quality of the feed. That's unchanged. I mean the conversation around the posts. The number of comments. I get very few even for the live in-show conversations on TWiT. You guys are getting _more_ comments than before?
- Leo Laporte
Not I
- Jesse Stay
TWiT this week, for example, got TWO comments on a live show watched by thousands.
- Leo Laporte
Not more comments - the chattering has slowed
- Christopher Galtenberg
There are a few cliques that are very active if you follow them but I'd tend to agree there isn't really a great deal of broader engagement like there was when I started using it a few months before the sell out
- Ed Millard
If you are a librarian or Turkish it seems to be the place to be :)
- Ed Millard
There is virtually no tech audience participating any more. There are a few, but much, much less than before. It's very sad.
- Jesse Stay
Simulcast the twit chat rooms here?
- Thomas Page
That's probably because you moved all your fans to IRC.
- David Schmidt
If Facebook would just enable a real-time comments mode you could do the same with a Facebook Page. I wish they'd enable that, then you'd have an engaged audience again on a popular and useful platform.
- Jesse Stay
Not all of us
- Dan owns Comicsforge.com
I'm still seeing plenty of activity on my feed. What I have noticed though, is that the topics of discussion have moved from tech and political topics towards more social topics. (Except for the spike in iPad discussion last week.)
- Jeff P. Henderson
Anyone tried Redux, Scoble was pushing that as his big thing, at least until he declares it dead. Not sure if there is any conversation there. They do have a whole feed for cat pictures.
- Ed Millard
FF has always been a platform waiting for an application.
- Christopher Galtenberg
No we ALWAYS had a very active IRC room. That's unchanged. Last year at this time each TWiT would get many comments at http://friendfeed.com/twit-co.... The IRC conversation evaporates but FF lives on and is searchable. I far prefer it.
- Leo Laporte
Leo, have you tried a Facebook Page? It's not real-time, but lives on and is searchable.
- Jesse Stay
I still think think Facebook needs to use FF tech to have a firehose of public content.
- Jay
The FF conversations were altogether a different level of participants, as well. I learned as much from the comments as I did the shows. It really enhanced the experience.
- JCunwired
I have four Jesse! @Jeff - hmm. I guess it's all relative. I looked at your feed and there are only a few comments on your stuff. It used to be like this thread all the time.
- Leo Laporte
I've been making a point to come here and participate more. I love friendfeed.
- Mary-Lynn
@jcunwired, I had the opposite experience... that's maybe why I prefer how things have turned out, with posts increasing in quality and mindless comments decreasing overall
- Christopher Galtenberg
We considered using FF for the iPad launch - now I wish we had. The lack of mobile apps was one factor.
- Leo Laporte
I wanted to comment on Friendfeed, but I didn't see a thread for Home Theater Geeks.
- Vezquex
I blame myself. I started using Twitter more and FF less - but I'm going to make a concious effort to live here for a while. I start a FF conversation for all the shows I host - but the other shows don't. It's up to the host, not me.
- Leo Laporte
FF needs posters who understand the art of starting conversations. The core FF team is actually great at this.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Give me real-time comments on Facebook and maybe a little more aggregation (and public search), and I'm a full convert. Until then FF is the best thing we've got. Keep trying Leo - so long as Facebook isn't moving in that direction they've still got a monetizable (is that a word?) platform here.
- Jesse Stay
I still use it as my feed reeder on steriods. Two typos in this comment.
- Mark
Christopher, I was speaking specifically of the live conversations during TWIT broadcasts, comparing FF with TWIT's IRC participants.
- JCunwired
@Leo, I have never had very many comments on my posts, which for the most part are very techie. Compared to you I have very few followers. What I was referring to is the feed I see and the topics of the posts from people I follow. The more social oriented posts that I see and often participate in tend to get the most conversation.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I still vastly prefer FF to FB, but I have lots more engagement on Facebook. I wish it were over here.
- Heather Solos
Friendfeed activity is like the velocity of a car, and adding friends is the throttle. There will always be user churn, so when some of the people you usually hear from drift off, bring in a few new voices. There's tons of activity here, it just might not be the oldtimers anymore (yourself excluded, of course, Leo).
- Kevin Fox
I can only watch FF when I'm not trying to be productive. Way too distracting. Nothing has changed for that though. I'm watching it while eating lunch right now.
- MarkCarras
Kevin, I've noticed we've lost a lot of the techies though. I don't see near as much Tech conversation as I used to, which is one of the things that made it interesting for me.
- Jesse Stay
I have noticed the opposite as have a number of others here but then I engage on a number of topics. What I notice on all Social media is that when lists become a part of each, the engagement goes down. When privacy features expand, the engagement goes down. When Tech A-listers get bored...... ;)
- Melanie Reed
It dropped to nearly nothing toward the end of last year, but nowadays I'm finding the activity varying
- LANjackal
I'd love to see Facebook either push it or integrate it more to get that mainstream tech audience back.
- Jesse Stay
One thing I've felt lacking on FF is stream-combination. If you post something, which has already been posted and has a conversation in progress, you should be able to decide between joining that stream or starting your own. I've seen several overlapping posts with 1, 2, 3 comments each, but they die at that point. If these people could only talk to each other... (The duplicate post finder right now only works within friend graphs -- maybe that could be expanded?)
- Christopher Galtenberg
I think people are still unsure if it's going to be improved in the future, so turnover ends up high. Facebook just hasn't made that clear. Sure, it may still be here, but what's the roadmap?
- Jesse Stay
But Jesse, all tech and no variety makes, .... :) Still, I don't think you are going to find anything that the majority of those in tech are going to stay with. They are always looking over the hill at the next "latest and greatest". They were not trying to find a "home"...just to be the first to try the couch out.
- Melanie Reed
Can we delete this thread before Scoble comes back and says "I told you so"?
- JCunwired
Melanie, I think Scoble and others would have stayed if they had confirmation from Facebook it was going to continue to see improvements and/or further integration with Facebook. The roadmap is way too unclear. People like a vision on what to expect. It's also why I haven't developed any apps for FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
yes, please.
- Chieze Okoye
I'd love to see FriendFeed used by developers in the way Wave is, for instance. It has the same productive use as Wave. Unclear roadmap means developers won't come though.
- Jesse Stay
What
- Michael Holzinger
And the fact that people don't want to sink their time and effort into a site that, at best, may never see any upgrades or, at worst, may disappear at any moment.
- Akiva
Jesse, yes. But that underplays what I am saying. Tech is that "medium is the message" thing in a nutshell. It doesn't want to create something and say: "This is good" and enjoy it. It keeps tinkering till its tinkered to death and then moves on. I would ask as a tech, that you "take your shoes off, stay around....y'all come back now. Here?" ;)
- Melanie Reed
I could not agree more. I was hoping Facebook would create an interface for adult conversations on Facebook like FF
- Alan Morris
Melanie, I'm sticking around - I think I made that clear. I'm just speculating why others aren't joining or sticking around. I've tried to convince other dev groups I work with to switch over to FriendFeed and the lack of vision or roadmap keeps them away and using platforms like Wave (which is very buggy and annoying to work with).
- Jesse Stay
I've been trying to keep FF API support in the feed reader I'm developing, its a nice API, but it is pretty hard to justify it with a small and shrinking audience. Working with it does make you appreciate how innovative it was and how great it could have been. Hopefully it will reappear at FB eventually but I have a hard time liking FB.
- Ed Millard
Ed, yeah - I'd like to know that though - there's absolutely no vision made clear. The API group has gone down to practically nothing.
- Jesse Stay
You mean the FF API group or the FB API group?
- Ed Millard
Jesse, yes! and I so appreciate that you do stay. But yes, Wave is the sick puppy tech that needs tinkering with. I think you may want a vision and roadmap, but I'm acknowledging that there are a number of techs who may say they want that, but its a cover for the urge to tinker and move on.
- Melanie Reed
I would love to see Friendfeed in my enterprise 2.0 strategy, both hosted and purchased. That's what bummed me out the most about FB takeover.
- JCunwired
As to vision and roadmap. I don't need one on FriendFeed. It's great. Don't fix it. You have arrived. Enjoy it!
- Melanie Reed
Melanie, I disagree though - those that want to tinker and move on are a very small minority. When you still see technologies such as IRC used actively by a very techie audience it's clear there is a much larger audience that could be here. If the technology's useful, they'll come, but there has to be certainty that technology still has potential.
- Jesse Stay
It occurs to me that Friendfeed *has* actually arrived. The fickle Ubernerds are now looking elsewhere for the next pretty and the users are enjoying using FF as it was meant to be used.
- WoH: Minding her Steves
I agree with Akiva: the idea that FF is running as kind of a headless horseman of a service, with no definitive future is what may be making some of the more veteran users from investing any more time into it than they already are...
- .LAG liked that
+++WorldofHiglet
- Melanie Reed
LAG, amen
- Jesse Stay
Yeah, it used to be that a post like this one would get 40-50 comments.
- I like big Botts
LOL Glen
- WoH: Minding her Steves
Gentleman, it doesn't have to be "evolving" for it to be "working". It *is*. LOL Glen. Good one!
- Melanie Reed
Glen, *any* post that mentions FriendFeed is dwindling (or you're quitting, or it's dead) gets a ton of comments. This post is the exception.
- Jesse Stay
Thanks Jesse! I used to think a lot of the engagement was dropping because many of the technology bright lights left the service, but this year I opened a season-long thread for commenting on NFL games, and even there, besides a few regulars who I usually interact with over sports, it didn't seem the same, even though the thread racked up over 1,700 comments over the 20-week season and playoffs.
- .LAG liked that
Melanie, tell me how well its working without anyone at the helm the next time you get hit with a half-dozen 'Oops! There was a problem...' messages.
- Akiva
The problem with the Ubernerds moving on is it hurt the tech conversation which was some of the draw here. Its more social focused now. Nothing wrong with that but Facebook already has social out the wazoo. Where do go to hear interesting, free wheeling, tech conversation now is one of the big questions.
- Ed Millard
OTOH, i also suspect that there's more to do, and the competition is getting better... Facebook is better (and innovating constantly), Twitter is better... FourSquare, etc., every week it seems there's more things coming online to grab people's attention. Fragmentation of attention seems to happen in real-time too.
- .LAG liked that
Akiva, I probably get more of those using a d-up than you speedsters up there in the NW. ;) (Hope the new place is feeling more like home for you and Audrey and Rochelle) But frankly, it really doesn't bother me. In the scope of things I have to be fair and say it hasn't really been that annoying. I haven't used any tech that doesn't have its glitches every now and then.
- Melanie Reed
Your FF is not my FF and on and on.
- Your Neighbor Steve
Now Ed has hit upon the "rub" as it stands: it really is about the water cooler.
- Melanie Reed
I think one of the reasons why your FF comments went down, Leo, is because your presence in the comments went down. People were wondering where all the love had gone, Leo.
- Garmon Estes
That may be true, Melanie. The issue here is that the service's quality has declined significantly over the past six months. Add that to the fact that you know that it's [most likely] not going to be upgraded... it begins to feel like a dead-end street. What it boils down to is that there's only one feature that FriendFeed has that is really keeping us here: the community. If we could all move en masse to Cliqset or wherever, most people wouldn't really think twice about it.
- Akiva
But what else do you need from it? As you say, the community keeps us here, but feature wise, its still the best aggregator and conversation tool out there, and would be useful with no followers.
- JCunwired
Akiva, I accept the possibility that it won't be upgraded and its doesn't fill me with sadness or dread. The vision of FF was Community. Has it achieved that? yes.
- Melanie Reed
Jeremy, that's subjective. I think FriendFeed's UI is horrible which I fix with a custom userstyle.
- Akiva
jcunwired, as I pointed out above, we're already here and invested. New people aren't going to be interested in blowing time in a site that has no future support and that may just up and disappear without warning one day.
- Akiva
Melanie, but even that community has fractured and decayed. Where's Bwana? Where's Cee Bee? We're losing people left and right in a trickle.
- Akiva
Akiva, what's horrible about it? I have a lovely winter scene with corresponding colors on my widgets. I'm content.
- Melanie Reed
As I wrote, it's subjective. I don't like Cliqset's UI either.
- Akiva
Akiva, I feel as the others: I seemed to have met more people not less recently. Indeed, I can hardly keep up with my feed sometimes and I feel some remorse that I cannot answer or comment to everything.....although, maybe some think this is a good thing. lol
- Melanie Reed
*comment counter incremented* :)
- Micah
Now I will get to something touchy, so pardon me while I do. When the Ubertechs do get on here, they can at times be intimidating in their response to those wanting to break in or ignore them completely (I have seen that happen as well). So If to join or comment in an Ubertech thread means a lot of ritual rules where an infraction will be met with disdain, I can see where some might not want to comment as much. My apologies for being too forthright.
- Melanie Reed
And here comes CW who never really participates in a thread other than to piss on it.
- Akiva
Micah, roflol
- Melanie Reed
I disagree CW. I think Leo is serious. He's right about the number of comments decreasing on his feeds. He's concerned.
- Garmon Estes
Melanie, you're dead on with your observation on the ubertechs. Sad to think you are participating when in fact they find you annoying.
- JCunwired
jcunwired, Is that *you* generally inclusive or of me in particular? ;)
- Melanie Reed
RE: "You understand that when I say "engagement" I don't mean the quality of the feed. That's unchanged. I mean the conversation around the posts. The number of comments. I get very few even for the live in-show conversations on TWiT. You guys are getting _more_ comments than before?" (Leo's actual point, way up there) Has the amount of direct TWiT interaction on live feed and/or actual site has risen? Why post a comment in FFeed when you have chat, etc going direct. People migrate to the source.
- Michael W. May
+++Christopher Harley
- Melanie Reed
Christopher Harley, once again, does well for himself on FriendFeed.
- Akiva
Qui tacet Consentit
- Melanie Reed
Aaaaaaaaand this is where I come back in. Hi Leo! First off, in regards to the TWiT Conversations room, what from I recall, it never really had massive traction except for a few episodes (usually around hot button topics). I'm there because I love FriendFeed, TWiT and typing long sentences. The reason I usually like a show thread within 5 seconds is because I'm looking out for them. I...
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- Johnny
*hands Johnny W a beer. This browser window is now a window on to the world -- not just a parallel TechCrunch channel.
- Christopher Galtenberg
+1 Micah. Let's all just invite more friends here, eh? People that like the web should also be on FriendFeed.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Micah, I will! *Hands Micah an Oatmeal Stout so he won't feel left out* :)
- Melanie Reed
Create a fake Twitter or Facebook front end and use Friendfeed as the back end. Invite friends.
- Jesper Lind
Micah and Christopher G. That is a challenge I would like to accept.
- Melanie Reed
Once again, the FF naysayers come out, and once again I chime in. I can't speak for the community-at-large, but I can say that I have built a network on FF and it's effective enough for me that it has become the most used site for me on a daily basis. Let's remember, folks: We all have choices, and those choices aren't for everyone. Just use whatever works for you.
- Fleagle
Leo, Jesse, I've noticed the same thing but guess where I see the majority of your content? (I also agree that FriendFeed is the best social media service there is.)
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
I'm getting as many if not more comments than I did before. I'm not seeing the level of engagement go down.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Fewer people are getting engaged on FF opting instead to just shack-up.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Leo, where is your comment that Micah was referring to? Thanks!
- Melanie Reed
i guess so too.. but i still prefer it than twitter...
- Daniele - Viralavatar
Ed, you should say the problem of *some* of the ubernerds moving on...
- Bruce Lewis
some of us are still here
- echostreamer
Sounds like you need to broaden out your feed a bit, Leo. I will admit that things can be a bit sparse at times, but overall, my feed is usually jumping. And when it's not, that tells me that it's time to pay attention to some different people.
- Steven Perez
i have a HUGE level of engagement on FF. you get what you give!
- Joe The Sausage
so wait, all these ppl complaining about the dying of "engagement" on FF are just sitting around and waiting for others to comment on the things they post that may or may not actually be of interest to anyone? did they also just stand next to the gym wall during school dances?
- Joe The Sausage
Leo, broheim, dude, you need to sub to the right people. Take that Josh Haley guy, for instance. He podcasts with that Aussie guy Johnny Worthington on the FFundercats, who has been on your show. Awesome by association? ;)
- Josh Haley
HALEY'S A SPAMMER HALEY'S A SPAMMER
- Akiva
That I don't understand at all
- Mark
(Also, I kind of wonder if Scoble didn't put Leo up to this.)
- Akiva
Yes, Joe. That's pretty much what happens. I think they have forgotten how this social media stuff works. LOL. Akiva, this post does feel very familiar, doesn't it?
- Rah-PM 2012
:(
- Josh Haley
What would make it great... would be if we could purge everyone who hasn't actually logged in for like.. six months
- Shawn Farner
play nice guys, i'm finding a lot of interaction on Friend Feed, It's my primary at this point - FFundercats crowd, Twit army....etc. During Twit shows, I see most of the interaction is in the IRC chat. Im sure people are still seeing and appreciating the posts, i know I do. During the SOTUnion, there were 200 comment feeds everywhere. Questions usually get long threads on FFeed and...
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- echostreamer
If engagement annoys but more engagement is wanted....Hmmmmm....
- Melanie Reed
Who's not playing nice? [bats eyelashes]
- Akiva
Yeah, see, a seasoned FFer would know when Akiva calls you a spammer, it means he thinks you're hot. And when I make a frowny face it means a ponderous barely smiling face about to eat ice cream.
- Josh Haley
I must be following the truly committed. I haven't seen much change.
- Jack&Cleo
Hrm. I think you're following me, so that's saying a lot.....since I'm awesome.
- Rah-PM 2012
There, Jeff, now you have one more.
- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
Leo, I am now sub'd to you.
- Melanie Reed
I don't know, Micah, are we coopting the thread if we do? Tangentially, of course. I had Blue Bunny Turtle singles. It was ok. The turtle part was a little slow but the ice cream part went down real fast! :)
- Melanie Reed
Ice cream is serious tech. One little mistake and it's all gross.
- Josh Haley
No fair - you guys get the good stuff in Houston, Josh
- Jesse Stay
Yeah, Jesse, that's right. Not only are there NASA engineers down there but they raise dairy cows nearby!
- Melanie Reed
with big horns!
- Jesse Stay
*noms on some Blue Bell Moolenium Crunch*
- Josh Haley
I knew it. I shoulda gone for the hi-tech Blue Bunny ice cream sandwhich *regrets* and now needs to debug order
- Melanie Reed
It's sad, but it just proves that the best service doesn't always prevail. For awhile it was riding that sweet spot where it wasn't so popular that it degenrated into a pile of youtube-level detritus, yet was popullar enough that good conversations grew. Now it's quiet, but I still enjoy the diehards who remain.
- Laura Norvig
150+ comments does not seem to be "too bad" of a conversation...
- MB Linder
Bring some Del Taco with you.
- Josh Haley
Laura N, Bruce Willis is on FriendFeed!?!?! Alert Demi right away!
- Micah
Del Taco? Papasitos FTW!
- Jesse Stay
Dude...99 cents vs 30 bucks?
- Josh Haley
Well, you could go for Whataburger - Is Del Taco even from Texas?
- Jesse Stay
*sigh* Just no engagement at all any more. *sob*
- I like big Botts
Wow. I just got censored on this thread. That's never happened on FF before. Perhaps I spoke too soon in singing its praises.
- Fleagle
Del Taco of Calif...can't say I miss. Baja Fresh however!
- Micah
Jesse, not where I am. Micah, I love Baja Fresh too.
- Josh Haley
I disagree completely. I'm seeing plenty of engagement on my feed, and am still regularly getting new subscribers (which I always found rather baffling). Y'all are just not hanging in the right places.
- Ruchira S. Datta
Christopher G said, "Let's just invite more friends here". I had that same thought last week and I'm putting my CD where my mouth is: http://friendfeed.com/ffunder...
- Spidra Webster
Spidra - well done! (I plugged you earlier in the thread: http://friendfeed.com/leolapo... :)
- Micah
166 and counting
- echostreamer
in the category "Poster from Texas With the Best Lack of Engagement Observation Line" and the Winner is....Glen Campbell for his comment: "*sigh* Just no engagement at all any more. *sob* " *Cheers as the orchestra cues up to "Rhinestone Cowboy" as Glen makes his way to the podium to accept his award*
- Melanie Reed
I guess my comment on this thread is not engaging enough. :(
- imabonehead
Are you from Texas, inabonehead? :)
- Melanie Reed
Thanks, Micah! I was about 3/4 of the way down reading the comments when I jumped ahead to post so I'm sorry if I repeated waht was already said upthread. The thread keeps jumping around in my feed and I was afraid it would move again before I could finish reading.
- Spidra Webster
Melanie - No, but close. California! :P
- imabonehead
Don't apologize - I couldn't provide linkage at the time. Onward and upward! :-)
- Micah
I could post the show notes on our wiki, but I like the idea of making them public in real time so people can comment (which they do less and less). I'll continue to show my confidence in ff by posting show notes here in the TWiT-Conversations room, the stories we're planning to talk about in the TWiT, Macbreak Weekly, and TWiG rooms, and when there's an interesting conversation I'll...
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- Leo Laporte
please do that leo, having the conversations and story entries here in friendfeed is valuable even if it is only used sparingly - may become a nice 'backchannel' as steve gillmor would call it
- Chris Heath
Thank you, Leo, I would appreciate that as well as a reminder.
- Melanie Reed
201 people, Leo.
- DGentry
The FIR guys pull show content from their FF room. Perhaps TWiT should too.
- Bernie Goldbach
I just started to get involved, too...:( I like this place!
- Jason Hill
You can expect every water cooler to be a Twitter-style conversation pit.
- Bernie Goldbach
This thread at least shows FF isn't *completely* dead... :)
- Thomas
the only people left are the usual suspects.
- Russellreno
This thread has 188 comments so far!
- Son of Groucho
already dismissed cos of the topic. ANYTHING TO PROP UP A FALTERING PREMISE!!!
- Joe The Sausage
I too, like you Leo, was looking for a Twitter replacement and even though FF is more of a aggregation, I really think its the platform that's _made_ for what Twitter is supposed to do, comment on someone's "life feed" and FF makes it that much more simpler. I always thought Pownce was ten times better than Twitter with all the sharing of multimedia, too bad that died. Twitter died for...
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- Michel
Friendfeed works perfectly well... and the amount of content in my network is the same. Just what is this "engagement" you speak of and why should anyone care?
- Goran Zec
There was only a Handful of Sychophantic Suckups - never any real Engagement*
- Billy Warhol
there's a buttload more than 200 ppl on FF, Leo. :P
- Joe The Sausage
@Leo: maybe your engagement on FF is way down cos all the people who are sick of you and R. Scoble crowing about its demise are starting to block you? consider that.
- Joe The Sausage
I am new here and can't keep up with all the interaction I see and am experiencing!
- Paulette
alot of the ones going on about FF dying are almost never on here except to make declarations. they don't take part and then bitch about no one commenting on their posts. plz don't follow their example.
- Joe The Sausage
joe, Leo's not going on about FF dying... this is probably the first time he's mentioned it - and he has reason - his engagement has declined on friendfeed - it's a measurable value that can be quantified - he's not being a dick about it either so cut him some slack
- Chris Heath
okay, fair enough. sorry for my apparently knee-jerk response.
- Joe The Sausage
It seems obvious from the length of this thread that if you have a subject that people are interested in they will engage. But if your subject matter doesn't interest the audience well ... So either you change the subject matter or change the audience (that might mean going somewhere else).
- Brian Sullivan
Unlikely that Leo will change his subject matter Brian. And any meta discussion on a site about that site will likely trigger a bigger reaction than just about any other topic. (see digg numbers for articles about digg) -- Either way Leo's IRC chat probably has more to do with his declining engagement here than anything else
- Chris Heath
I wonder how much of this lack of engagement for Leo and others is due to Robert Scoble not being here. I suspect on his own with both his comments and his followers/posse he attracted many people to a thread and discussion and with him not participating this type of discussion has dropped off considerably.
- Brian Sullivan
I always show newbies Friendfeed as THE EXAMPLE of how tools can be utilized to filter the noise, surface relevant content (through both sharing AND advanced search), have great conversations and embed them back on your site/blog . What else could I show them that has the same functionality without a steep learning curve?
- Chris Myles
Better does not always mean it will be more popular. I post to twitter, but do it through friendfeed because the twitter interface really stinks. Perhaps it is marketing?
- Cris Fugate
maybe, but I see it more as a conflict between Leo's IRC chat room (which is fleeting) and the friendfeed discussions http://friendfeed.com/twit-co... (which are permanent) -- i view the IRC as the peanut gallery type of conversations that i usually pass on (at least during twit) and the friendfeed discussions as more serious
- Chris Heath
Definately Chris. I wonder if Leo needs to plug the FF room more.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Cris I agree and use FF or seesmic to post to twitter (does anyone use the web interface?). I think it might be a timing issue.. I really don't think main stream users (with a full inbox and overloaded schedule) *really* understand the power of sharing content and conversations YET. Throw them at twitter or facebook and they'll never see the value through the noise. Hopefully *crosses...
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- Chris Myles
Roberto, he's plugged it plenty... the IRC is very sticky and hard to break away from with it's hundreds of users (peak 1000) -->> also I totally agree with Chris Myles about using "Friendfeed as THE EXAMPLE of how tools can be utilized to filter the noise, surface relevant content (through both sharing AND advanced search), have great conversations and embed them back on your site/blog." <<---- what a great way to put the key points that make friendfeed so great
- Chris Heath
I like FF for a lot of reasons. My company blocks IRC but does not block FriendFeed.
- Peter Costello
No decline for me, I've seen it go back up to nearly what it was before the Facebook takeover. I guess it's different for every user.
- Kol Tregaskes
Ok where's Louis? It's not like him to stay out of a thread this long.
- Jason Williams
from iPhone
Who's Louis?
- WoH: Minding her Steves
Is he that guy from Louis-ville?
- Micah
Chris (Heath).. The sad thing is I show them friendfeed but don't train them on it (at least initially). I use Google Reader and posterous as the two tools to get them started. I would love to create private groups for sharing/discussing content but I can't vouch for friendfeed's long term viability. It's a bummer really!!
- Chris Myles
Louis is probably working his way down from the top (of this thread).. he might be here in an hour or so :) Leo I think this would be an example of pretty good engagement.
- Chris Myles
I'm not gonna read everything that's already being said in this thread, but I have to say (after seeing the first comments) that it seems like several feeds are still alive, but as soon as you don't interact too much with those people behind it, you don't get any feedback from them. It seems like this group, which I do like btw, is seperating itselves from what is going on apart from...
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- Ton Zijp
IIRC, Turkish users outweigh U.S. users on Friendfeed, or at least are a close second.
- Laura Norvig
Friendfeed should have taken the world by storm instead of Twitter. It is a far superior platform. Alas it didn't happen and so the reality is people are going to focus on apps where the action is happening and the creators are still responding to requests for improvement. A testament to the Friendfeed app is that Twitter still hasn't made it to where Friendfeed is now, even with the...
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- Phil Ashman
So where have all the Techies gone then??
- Amani
@Amani - to work!
- Phill Price
from iPhone
Friend Feed has become very analogous to the underground music scene. Not the most people, but the quality is usually beyond most. Facebook has the most people, just like Walmart.
- echostreamer
++1 echostreamer :)
- JA Castillo
too much babble and too few meaningful meaty links, digg, reddit give more bite!
- daveeza
"Social" means some babble
- Mo Kargas
I'm sure that most of the 224 comments have already said this, but you sir are very very very much so wrong.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
And to those complaining about no tech: your right, the tech talk has gone down. But, as someone who is very into tech I don't come to friendfeed looking to always talk about tech. I love talking about everything here and I love all the different convos that come up here.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
chirp chirp
- Susan Beebe
Mathew, I tend to agree. I get plenty of tech information from my RSS feed. The more social aspect of FF is what keeps me coming back every day.
- Jeff P. Henderson
i get all my tech news from FriendFeed (via RSS or equivalent) and from Leo and his TWiT netcast network
- Chris Heath
from email
Plaxo Pulse (or stream?) is the next big thing! (or not...)
- Alex Luft
anyone here?? am i here by myself?
- imabonehead
nope, me too!
- Alex Luft
Leo, if you'd post links for some of your show's rooms, I'd make a point of subscribing to them. Then, even if I can't make the shows, I'd check out the rooms - I bet other people would too. And I do hope you'll hang out more on FF as you said you would in the thread. BTW, folks, it was nice to see a few new faces here - at least new to me. And, hi, echostreamer!
- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
I wish FF had picked up enough critical mass to have cool discussions in multiple areas - e.g. movies, food, travel, tech, etc... Imagine if lots of topics had 1,000-2,000 comments/likes on popular articles. My hope is that Facebook will pick up some of the long-term storage/search features of FF...and that some sub-groups of Facebook end up being as engaging as FriendFeed circa...
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- Mitchell Tsai
It's IS sad .... Very sad
- Charlie Anzman
I am reminded of how much of an underutilized service this is every time I log on, you're absolutely right.
- Bronson Harrington
Wow.
- hollyrae
.... wow what? that's all you have to say after reading all this?
- Chris Heath
*bump*
- imabonehead
well, Leo... I agree that friendfeed is the best in its class... and it's sad to see the facebook-induced decline of traffic here.... But damn, it sure seems like there is plenty of traffic based on THIS post. Geez!
- Justin Bradshaw
Yes very engaging post! I was drawn to it because I am guilty of abandoning my FF page as of late. My FF world is made up of amazing inspired artists who dazzle me with their posts, but because I am not a part of that community I have nothing to share of interest to them so there is no conversation, It is not surprising that Leo inspired this conversation ..he never disappoints & I just found out we share the same birthday so the Saggie gift of gab strikes again!
- Alannah Ryane
Hope FF picks back up. It seems to have many more dimensions than it's competitors and loads of potential.
- TradersLog
ZING
- Chris Heath
you are buzzing via friendfeed. How to do?
- Phillip Atencio
you hook up your friendfeed to you buzz... in buzz it's called "connected sites" --- that simple
- Chris Heath
Goodbye Kristine, We’ll Miss You Always - http://dcfemella.com/blog...
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On 26 January, my little sister Kristine Polastre passed away. I’m devastated and feel like every moment that passes is harder and harder. I will be practically MIA for awhile until I am able to breathe without feeling any pain. I love you so much Kristine, and I hope to see you [...]
- Shevonne
I'm so sorry, Shevonne
- RAPatton
Oh no! I'm so sorry for your loss!
- Paulette
I'm so sorry. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family
- Jay
Oh wow, Shevonne, I'm so sorry. *hugs*
- Michelle M
Oh Good Lord! Shevonne, I'm so sorry!
- Vicarbott
I'm so sorry for your lost, you and your family will be in my prayers.
- ★Kristy
I am so sorry, Shevonne.
- Yolanda
I'm sorry for your loss. Please make sure you take care of yourself.
- Eric
I'm so sorry to hear this Shevonne. You and your family are in my thoughts and prayers.
- Mary Carmen
Oh Shevonne, I cannot imagine how difficult that must be for you and your family. I hope you can find comfort in each other. My best to you all.
- Shannon - GlassMistress
Oh no. I'm so sorry to hear that. Condolences to your family.
- Derek Coward
Oh, Shevonne, I'm so sorry! Many *hugs* and prayers to you and your family. :-(
- Ladyepiphanybug
I am very sorry Shevonne.
- aden {Chickadee}
So sorry to read this, Shevonne. My condolences, love and best wishes to you and your family. xx
- Andrew Terry
deepest condolences to you and your family. Oceans of love to you guys.
- Cheryl
I'm so sorry, Shevonne...... ****hug*** :(
- AJ Batac :)
Oh, Shevonne, I know how much you love her. My condolences to you and your family.
- Anika
So sorry Shevonne, my condolences. =(
- ronin
I am so sorry Shevonne. Sending hugs to you and all your family. <3
- Carmen wBabby
I'm so sorry to read this Shevonne - deepest sympathies to you and your family ((hugs))
- WoH: Minding her Steves
Very sorry for your loss...
- Matt Hilton
OMGOD I'm so SORRY. To you and your family, I wish you the utmost strength and my sincerest condolences.
- The Real sofarsoShawn
I'm so sorry for you and your family's loss. {hug}
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
OMG...this is not a good week on FF. :( My condolences to you and your family, Shevonne.
- JA Castillo
Damn, Shevonne. Just... damn.
- Akiva
My condolences :(
- deerstep
I really am so sorry...
- Jen (SquirrelGirl)
from iPhone
So sorry to hear that. :(
- Rochelle
My condolences
- MoTO Bott
I'd hug you if I could. Take care of yourself.
- Jess
So sorry for your loss, Shevonne.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
so sorry you and your family are going through this.
- Joe The Sausage
My condolences to you and your family. I'm so sorry.
- Spidra Webster
I'm so sorry, Shevonne, how awful.
- Stephen Mack
from iPhone
Sometimes life sucks. I am so sorry.
- Bubba Botts
Oh dear, so sorry to hear this, Shevonne. Condolences on your loss.
- LANjackal
So sad. :(
- Laura (hear me raura?)
Oh God, I'm so sorry to hear this. Please accept my sincere condolences to you and your family Shevonne.
- .LAG liked that
Oh Shevonne, I noticed you had gone quiet recently and I was hoping everything was okay. I am so very sorry for your loss. I'll light candles for your dear Kristine and for your family tonight.
- vicster
I'm so sorry, my deepest condolences Shevonne.
- Niki Costantini
My deepest sympathy to you and your family. You are in my prayers.
- I like big Botts
I'm so sorry Shevonne, my condolences :(
- Shey
I'm very sorry to hear this. You and your family will be in my thoughts.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
from fftogo
Sorry :(
- Rodfather
Sorry for your loss!
- Stephan Planken
I am so sorry for you and your family's loss.
- Cassandra
My heart goes out to you and your family, Shevonne. Please take my condolences.
- Micah
I am so sorry for your loss.
- Bren
Oh hun....I'm so so sorry.
- Just Katie
I'm so sorry for your loss. My condolences to you and your family
- Tamara
I'm so sorry, Shevonne. I will keep you and your family in my thoughts. Take care of yourself.
- Victor Ganata
Shevonne, I'm so sorry to hear this. You'll be in our thoughts and prayers.
- ha3rvey (Hugs 50% off!)
oh Shevonne. :( I'm so so sorry.
- Que Sarah Sarah
Shevonne, may love and light be with you and your family. I'm so sorry for your loss.
- hollyrae
Shevonne, my deepest sympathies to you and yours.
- SAM
Shevonne... I'm sorry. My thoughts are with you.
- SAM
Very sorry to hear this. Keep your head up, Shevonne.
- Rah-PM 2012
My condolences Shevonne. Sorry to hear this.
- Arlan K.
Our thoughts and love go out to you Shevonne.
- JCunwired
I'm so sorry, Shevonne. My condolences to you and your family.
- joey
I'm very sorry for your loss, Shevonne. Kristine lives on in your heart. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.
- Mark J
I'm sorry for your loss, Shevonne.
- Marie
i'm so sorry for your loss. namaste.
- sean808080
So sorry to hear, Shevonne. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Very sorry for your loss Shevonne.
- Mark H
I'm sorry to hear that. Condolences for your loss.
- Chieze Okoye
Deepest condolences to you and your family
- Peter Dawson
there are no words :( my best to you and yours Shevonne
- chrisofspades
Every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
- Gilgamesh
OMG...so VERY sorry for your loss Shevonne...my best to you and your family
- Live4Emma (L4S)
Oh Shevonne. I don't even know what to say. My heart is breaking for you and my most positive warm thoughts are with you and your family. :(
- Martha
Wow, so sorry to hear of your loss... my heart is really sad for you .... {{{{HUG}}}}
- Susan Beebe
How awful! I can't imagine ... all the best to you and your family.
- AJ Kohn
Shevonne, I am so sorry. You and your family are in my thoughts and prayers.
- Scott (Honey Boo-Boo!)
My condolences to you and your family, Shevonne.
- jbrotherlove
Sorry to hear, Shevonne.
- Beau Liening
from FreshFeed
xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxox
- ☆ Mellyboo ☆
I'm sorry for your loss Shevonne
- Peter Ghosh
My condolences.....so sorry for your loss Shevonne.
- Bonnie Foster
Oh wow, Shevonne, I'm so sorry for your loss. Love and prayers to you and your family. :(
- Penguin
I'm so sorry, Shevonne. My thoughts are with you and your family.
- Ayşe E.
I'm so sorry Shevonne :(
- Mo Kargas
Shevonne, our thoughts are with you and your loved ones.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Sorry for your loss. {{{HUG}}}. If you still have my number, line is open. If not, I'll just send it to you again.
- The Amber
Oh no, my condolences to you and your family.
- Anne Bouey
I am so sorry for your loss
- Elena
That just bites. I am so sorry for your loss. :(
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I am so sorry Shevonne, you have my deepest sympathy.
- comix aka martha
Shevonne, I am so sorry to hear this. We'll be here for you when you need us.
- Sally - Skyrimmin' It
I am so sorry for your loss Shevonne. My deepest condolences to you and your family. You are in my thoughts. If there is anything I can do for you dont hesitate. You know how to reach me. <3
- Carlos Ayala
OMG Shevonne, I'm so sorry. What a tragedy.
- Richard Walker
:( My condolences Shevonne. I can't even begin to imagine how you are feeling at this time but please know that I am sending up prayers for you and your family.
- EricaJoy
So sorry for your loss. T.T
- Pete D
Shevonne, I'm so sorry.
- Lix
:( I'm sorry too. Stay strong.
- Frankie Warren
:(
- Wirehead
oh dear. so sorry to hear this. *hugs*
- Carolyn Chan
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- ★ Soner Gönül
My heart continues to ache for you Shevonne. I am so sorry. :'(
- Amani
Shevonne, I am so sorry to hear this my heart goes out to you and your family.
- Amit Morson
I will keep you and your family in my prayers. Wishing a healthy recovery! Your friends here on FF will be by your side! Blessings!
- Jim Turner
My condolences
- Grant Bierman
So Sorry to hear about your loss.
- Brent - Yes I am
I am so, so sorry.
- Lis
my dearest friend, I am so sorry. :'(
- The Fat Oracle
You have my condolences Shevonne. Don't fight to rush through your pain because doing so will only keep you there. The family love is evident within the photo!
- Roney Smith
I am very, very sorry for your loss and your pain. I pray you will be comforted in this time of sorrow and may peace find you where-ever you may be.
- Kimber Scott
Oh Shevonne I am so sorry for your loss.
- just ZONED
I am so sorry for your loss. May you and your family find comfort and peace.
- Egyirba
*hug*
- Michael W. May
God bless you and your family. So many fun and funny memories, I'm sure. Here's hoping you'll let them fill your heart real soon.
- Viqi French
So sorry to hear Shevonne. Sending light and love to you!
- Myrna
sorry for your loss, Shevonne.
- Valley
Wow. I'm so sorry.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
I am really sorry to hear about your loss, my heart and prayers goes out to you and your family. *hug*
- YoYo_P
Another day, another account deletion. This is giving me a sad.
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Who?
- Yolanda
Trish R, I believe. Maybe I'm wrong though... I hope.
- Vicarbott
I'm still here.
- Mike Nencetti
Jim, she's still here, http://friendfeed.com/trishro...
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
That is good, Mike. I take comfort in that.
- Vicarbott
Jimminy, did you click the link? The account is gone.
- Rochelle
I got a "not found" error, too. I wonder if she switched to a private account and we aren't listed as her "friends"
- Curdy G
That "not found" error is what you see if an account is gone. If it's a private account, it says "this person has a private feed" and still shows their user picture.
- Rochelle
:( Curtiss, the only time(s) that I've been blocked, I got a different message than that, as Rochelle noted above.
- Vicarbott
Rochelle, I didn't. I guess she did disappear, I'm just so used to people disappearing from the Search bar when they delete. She's still showing up in the bar for me. hmmm
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
noticed that too, Jimminy.
- Vicarbott
Rochelle, I know what it looks like, I based my original response off of the Search Bar, not on the page itself.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Jimminy, there were a few people yesterday who didn't know what it looked like. I posted it for their benefit, too, not just for you.
- Rochelle
Thanks for sharing, Rochelle. Oddly enough, although I didn't get to see the post to which you were referring, I did get to see what it looks like when you try to view a private feed.
- Curdy G
Rochelle, sorry about that, I didn't realize that other people were asking.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
anyway, we didn't interact much, but I'm sorry to see her go.
- Vicarbott
Curtiss, you'd have to be subscribed to me to see my feed.
- Rochelle
She's gone. We talked via Twitter for a minute yesterday after the fact.
- Derrick
:( Thanks, Derrick.
- Vicarbott
Ditto what Derrick said; she and I chatted about it too. I haz a sad again...
- JA Castillo
Boo! I just realized she was gone, too. :(
- Jandy
Oh no. :( I will definitely miss Trish around here.
- Carmen wBabby
Anyone have the link to her blog? Is it still up?
- adf
the only link I found to her blog, on an old FF post, went to a parked page :(
- Vicarbott
:(
- adf
:-(
- vicster
I chatted with her on Twitter this morning. I miss her already.
- ha3rvey (Hugs 50% off!)
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