"In other words, all the organizations that require scientists to publish in 'high-impact journals' at the same time require them to publish in 'high-retraction journals'. I wonder if requiring publication in high-retraction journals can be good for science?"
- Daniel Mietchen
A co-worker mentioned to me yesterday that a colleague of his is thinking about starting an online journal club type website for scientists. The idea seems to be discussions about papers, data sets, and other web-publishable materials, from any source, in a central location. It would also have discussions about scientific culture, which made me...
It would be a place where people (students, junior faculty, etc) could learn the ropes of academia and science without the pain and misery that traditionally is required. The differences I can see from existing services is the focus on journal club-style discussions and maybe a low barrier to entry
- Shirley Wu
from twhirl
But obviously, whatever he ends up pursuing should learn from the trials and tribulations of the many related services out there (including services like FF, which is also discussion-oriented)
- Shirley Wu
from twhirl
It's easy to immediately discount any proposal that sounds like yet another facebook for scientists, but there are still some interesting and potentially good ideas out there. Unfortunately, people who aren't as familiar with the existence of these tools always think of facebook as the ideal and as a brand new idea if applied to the scientist community. Hopefully I convinced my co-worker otherwise, while still encouraging the more innovative aspects of the concept. <end rant>
- Shirley Wu
from twhirl
AcaWiki is built around a very similar concept, and John Wilbanks makes an argument for bringing journal clubs online (cf. http://ff.im/airoV ).
- Daniel Mietchen
Shirley, Besides AcaWiki (great place to have these discussions, but I'm biased! http://acawiki.org/ ) your colleague also might be interested in GradTurkey, a journal-club discussion wiki originally aimed at grad students: http://gradturkey.fastcoder.net/
- Jodi Schneider
can discussion on AcaWiki be linkable and embeddable for public like you can do on FF? If not, so why don't do journal club on FF? Can't get it
- Alexey
this topic came up during a discussion today with Mike Eisen of PLoS, re: why commenting hasn't really taken off - his thought is that people are more likely to comment if there's a central place to do it rather than individually at each journal website for each paper (how many of us access papers directly through journal websites except through PubMed anyway?). The whole time I was...
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- Shirley Wu
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can somebody point to the platform for journal club online better then blog post? It's combine everything - presentation (ppt embedded from SlideShare or Gdocs, video embedded from YouTube/Vimeo...) presenter's opinion, discussion section under the post, embedded comments from FF, ranking of the presentation and number of views. Importantly you don't need to register or get account for commenting, it's public and linkable, moderatable . Whole world can participate. What can be better?
- Alexey
@Neil Saunders Were you thinking of JournalFire? We recently updated the site and are looking for feedback. I posted about it yesterday: http://friendfeed.com/the-lif...
- John Delacruz
"After spending a tremendous amount of time fighting and pursuing all the cheating cases, I decided that it makes no sense to fight it. The incentive structures simply do not reward such efforts. The Nash equilibrium is to let the students cheat and "perform well"; in exchange, I get back great evaluations."
- Björn Brembs
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Maybe the problem is in the creating of assignments for which it is so easy to cheat?
- Todd Hoff
This is exactly what I find, too: "One interesting observation: Almost all cheating happened within groups with cultural ties. Koreans copy from Koreans. Indians from Indians. Greeks from Greeks. Jews from Jews. Chinese from Chinese. Not just in international students (we do not have that many in the undergrad program), but within US-born students. A result of socializing in similar...
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- Mickey Schafer
Todd -- that is a lovely idea, and certainly we can work on making assignments more difficult to cheat on, but it is also impractical. First, if a student is going to learn to write a science paper, then s/he has to write a science paper. Learning about the process doesn't work; the student must write. Second, there's good evidence that writing about something increases understanding --...
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- Mickey Schafer
And the extra prep still cannot resolve the problem that Turnitin cannot address: that in the sciences, technical jargon has no synonyms, quoting is discouraged/avoided, grammatical paraphrasing is so limited as to be worthless, meaning that students cannot merely be taught not to plagiarize: they have to be taught how to deal with information like a practicing scientist deals with...
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- Mickey Schafer
Yes, I was quite surprised when I went back to it the next day and it wasn't there... does anyone know why he took it down?
- Allyson Lister
Very strange indeed - and such a useful post. One can only assume the university asked him to? Mickey raises the exact points I was thinking about when reading the post. There is definitely room for improvement in terms of making plagiarism more difficult, but it's impossible to avoid it completely.
- Björn Brembs
I'm astonished that anyone is surprised the post disappeared. My first thought on reading it was, he'll get fired for this. It's probably too public now for him to lose his job, but I expect him to face more punishment/reprisal of the invidious sort that he described in the post. Make no mistake, universities are businesses now, the students are customers, and they are buying imprimatur, NOT education.
- Bill Hooker
I predict that he'll ultimately restore the post but modified so it'll be harder to identify individual students. Not that I thought it was that easy to do that before, but I think that'll be the thing they'll make him do.
- John Dupuis
That's the (bogus) hook on which they are hanging the legal threat, certainly. I doubt the post will go back up, because no one actually cares about violations of student privacy (even if they did happen in that post, which they didn't). The university admin cares about the blot on its public copybook, the open airing of one of its dirty little DADT secrets. It's no surprise to anyone...
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- Bill Hooker
Thank you Chris Miller for the link to your cache of the original posting. As the reaction was coming out I was sharing it with members of the Fac Sen Council here at NYU, as well as others. Almost all found it a compelling read. Speaking for myself I hope it might engender a wider and constructive discussion here. I am chagrined at the takedown of the post.
- carolh
I am likewise distressed by the higher ed post linked by John. We've had a special task force at UF looking at cheating in general; I was in one of the focus groups. My impression was that cheating was well-known, actively despised, but the solutions come up against the most precious resource: time. Research profs, particularly those at the beginning of their careers, were overwhelmed...
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- Mickey Schafer
Quite some months ago an article in Cancer Therapy and Biology by Scott Kern of Johns Hopkins kicked up an almighty online stink. The article entitled "Where's the passion" bemoaned the lack of hard core dedication amongst the younger researchers that the author saw around him. This article got a lot of people very ...
- Cameron Neylon
how did they know people were "general public" and not coming from hospitals or small doctors practices? I see that they know not coming from .edus.
- Christina Pikas
Key point is that 25% where recognizably from research institutions and 40% from (I think) consumer web supply ip ranges. Unless researchers on average do twice as much of their retrieval at home I think that's pretty compelling evidence of some demand. Exactly what the demand is remains an open question of course. But it would be good to have better data...
- Cameron Neylon
"But it would be good to have better data..." Absolutely !! But where to get it from - PMC/NCBI ??
- Graham Steel
Cameron, actually... I think a good deal of access I do from outside desk hours... could not say the ratio, but 50/50 does not sounds unreasonable to me... reason: during office hours I have meetings, and have less time to keep up with literature. That phenomenon does not sound unreasonable to me either.
- Egon Willighagen
Cool, Pete - and thanks for leading the crowd once more.
- Daniel Mietchen
Well, not quite (some others beat us to it, including Springer, Elsevier, Mendeley) but we have been wanting to do this for ages. Plus ours is on the full text and fully open.
- Peter Binfield
I meant the "full text and fully open" part.
- Daniel Mietchen
Speaking of PubMed, one of its major limitations is that it does not provide full-text search. PLoS and Mendeley do. So I think it would be useful to have a little app (e.g. a browser plugin) that takes a PubMed search, passes it on to the PLoS/ Mendeley search engines and displays the results in the context of the original PubMed search. Anyone interested in that (e.g. as a warm-up for http://ff.im/FIwlT )?
- Daniel Mietchen
Couple of updates for any of you entering the competition. Nephoscale are offering 10 free cloud servers for entrants using PLoS APIs see: http://blogs.plos.org/plos... And today we upgraded search to also include "search within figure caption" so now you can do cool things with our figures too.
- Peter Binfield
“There are some people who don’t wait.” Robert Krulwich on the future of journalism | Not Exactly Rocket Science | Discover Magazine - http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrock...
Heavy ice melting in light water--more interesting than you'd think! First the heavy ice cubes sink to bottom of light water. Then they slowly rise as a layer of melted heavy water is created below the light water. From Andy Maloney's dissertation defense presentation.
Which makes me wonder: If places like Lake Vostok (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) turn out to have a higher concentration of heavy water due to stratification, should we expect to find microbes that have a higher tolerance for it there?
- mkz
@Steve I'm thinking about a 'water' planet with a solid core, a layer of heavy water with heavy water 'islands', a layer of light water, then an atmosphere. I think it would make a great setting for a SF story.
- Andrew Lang
I got curious and read a bit about the ice cores from Vostok. Turns out the deuterium content does not increase with depth. Come to think of it, the lack of heavy water/light water stratification should have been expected---after all, the ice did not form by the freezing of stagnant water; it probably came down as snow, and got packed over time. The heavier isotopes can go down in...
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- mkz
@mkz, at a mass difference of only 2 g/mol, the energy difference due to gravity of an H2O versus D2O molecule is pretty tiny. Something like equivalent to thermal energy for a height of 1 kilometer. Considering all the mixing, it's not surprising no stratification in oceans. I didn't read your link carefully to understand the stratification in glaciers. It's due to a difference in the...
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- Steve Koch
@Steve, how would such microbes evolve? First, there'd have to be an environment particularly rich in D for them to succeed in by adapting to higher and higher D usage... if there is such an environment, that's where to look (but unfortunately I can't think of any such, unless somewhere in a nuclear reactor). How are your seed experiments coming along?
- Bill Hooker
@Bill -- well couldn't we just create them in the garage genetic screens? But since you mention heavy water reactors, that rung a very faint bell in my head. I feel like someone either talked about microbes in heavy water reactors, or joked about it with me. Certainly it seems like things can grow everywhere, and the parts of heavy water reactors can't be that tricky of an environment....
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- Steve Koch
Andy has a really nifty camera set up for the tobacco seed experiments. I believe he's making videos of the previous attempt, but I remain skeptical that we'll be able to detect a difference with statistical significance. There were certainly some new technical challenges, such as the seeds tending to go through sinking / floating cycles, which made no sense to me. At the very least,...
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- Steve Koch
Steve, I did a quick scan of the glacier paper, and it seemed that evaporation and surface temperature changes were indeed important. (The density profiles they present for D are not monotonic with respect to depth.) The Lake Vanda paper says deuterium is stratified in the lake, but has a *lower* density in the deeper sections :) I had guessed the mixing in the oceans would overwhelm...
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- mkz
I like the science fair idea, but aren't the D-depleted/enriched reagents pretty expensive?
- Bill Hooker
D-enriched is actually pretty cheap, I'm guessing because of use in nuclear reactors. You can get 10 ml of 99.9% D water for like ten bucks which would be plenty for tobacco seeds. And you wouldn't need it that pure. D-depleted is more expensive, though, I think. Not sure if following link works for D-enriched sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/ProductDetail.do?D7=0&N5=SEARCH_CONCAT_PNO%7CBRAND_KEY&N4=151882%7CALDRICH&N25=0&QS=ON&F=SPEC
- Steve Koch
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RT @bmcmatt: Lessig on fine form at CERN "The architecture of access to scientific knowledge: just how badly we have messed this up" http://bit.ly/gJckwL
"In this talk, Professor Lessig will review the evolution of access to scientific scholarship, and evaluate the success of this system of access against a background norm of universal access.While copyright battles involving artists has gotten most of the public's attention, the real battle should be over access to knowledge, not culture. That battle we are losing".
- Graham Steel
Finished watching. Q@A starts about 2/3 of the way through and to me, this is the most interesting section of this video.
- Graham Steel
oh, this is the long version! Nice. The one on Vimeo didn't have the q&a
- Mr. Gunn
Hi Bjorn - yes, I will be in Berlin from the 12th to the 14th. It would be great to meet up. Are you at he MDC ?
- Pedro Beltrao
I'm on the other side of town, actually. The MDC is in such a remote place, people are usually surprised it's still a part of Berlin :-) I guess the 13th will be all busy for you, so what would be a good time to meet on any of the other days? I can drive up to the MDC.
- Björn Brembs
It has always bugged me that JAMIA follows the Ingelfinger rule. You have Informatics in title! Be about maximizing use of information!
- Heather Piwowar
Have contacted my photoshop department.
- Graham Steel
Love it, looking forward to seeing these on Camden Market. Actually, it's not just an issue with posters/abstracts, as some of the journals seem to have very similar policies regarding pre-publication release of data and pdb structures. Policies regarding data doi's are not clear yet, but Cell (Elsevier) recently told us if data released in this way represents a significant contribution to the importance of a related article, then access to it should be embargoed until the article is published.
- Scott Edmunds
comment 11, by Pål Lykkja: "Publishing periodicals is the third most profitable industry. Measured in net profit margin, it ranks before weapon, sigarettes and medical equipment industries http://biz.yahoo.com/p..."
- Claudia Koltzenburg
In that link, only Reed Elsevier is what one could justify as a scholarly publisher.
- Björn Brembs
If you're subscribed to me on FF and not reading Kevin Smith already, do yourself a favor and go grab the RSS feed from his blog.
- Bill Hooker
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