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I bet the soundtrack to this will be tiiight - Copyright Criminals To Air Jan. 19 On PBS - hypebot via @eugenesong - http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot...
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Why don't the powerful get grilled like this? http://www.salon.com/news...
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A co-worker mentioned to me yesterday that a colleague of his is thinking about starting an online journal club type website for scientists. The idea seems to be discussions about papers, data sets, and other web-publishable materials, from any source, in a central location. It would also have discussions about scientific culture, which made me...
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It would be a place where people (students, junior faculty, etc) could learn the ropes of academia and science without the pain and misery that traditionally is required. The differences I can see from existing services is the focus on journal club-style discussions and maybe a low barrier to entry
- Shirley Wu
from twhirl
But obviously, whatever he ends up pursuing should learn from the trials and tribulations of the many related services out there (including services like FF, which is also discussion-oriented)
- Shirley Wu
from twhirl
It's easy to immediately discount any proposal that sounds like yet another facebook for scientists, but there are still some interesting and potentially good ideas out there. Unfortunately, people who aren't as familiar with the existence of these tools always think of facebook as the ideal and as a brand new idea if applied to the scientist community. Hopefully I convinced my co-worker otherwise, while still encouraging the more innovative aspects of the concept. <end rant>
- Shirley Wu
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Thanks for doing that.
- Mr. Gunn
AcaWiki is built around a very similar concept, and John Wilbanks makes an argument for bringing journal clubs online (cf. http://ff.im/airoV ).
- Daniel Mietchen
Shirley, Besides AcaWiki (great place to have these discussions, but I'm biased! http://acawiki.org/ ) your colleague also might be interested in GradTurkey, a journal-club discussion wiki originally aimed at grad students: http://gradturkey.fastcoder.net/
- Jodi Schneider
can discussion on AcaWiki be linkable and embeddable for public like you can do on FF? If not, so why don't do journal club on FF? Can't get it
- Alexey
I tried a site like this a few years ago. ResearchFire, or something like that? Never heard of it again.
- Neil Saunders
my comments on the topic in 08/07 http://pimm.wordpress.com/2007...
- Attila Csordas
Knol has many journal features built-in. Here is an example of a successful research journal on H1N1: http://knol.google.com/k...
- Bill Strathearn
John Wilbanks mentioned doing journal clubs online in his talk here recently: http://bit.ly/3jxnxr
- Walter Jessen
this topic came up during a discussion today with Mike Eisen of PLoS, re: why commenting hasn't really taken off - his thought is that people are more likely to comment if there's a central place to do it rather than individually at each journal website for each paper (how many of us access papers directly through journal websites except through PubMed anyway?). The whole time I was...
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- Shirley Wu
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can somebody point to the platform for journal club online better then blog post? It's combine everything - presentation (ppt embedded from SlideShare or Gdocs, video embedded from YouTube/Vimeo...) presenter's opinion, discussion section under the post, embedded comments from FF, ranking of the presentation and number of views. Importantly you don't need to register or get account for commenting, it's public and linkable, moderatable . Whole world can participate. What can be better?
- Alexey
@Neil Saunders Were you thinking of JournalFire? We recently updated the site and are looking for feedback. I posted about it yesterday: http://friendfeed.com/the-lif...
- John Delacruz
#ahm09 interesting, scientists are afraid to share data because others might mis-interpret the data, though this hardly ever happens.
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Has there been much research into this (i.e. quantified "hardly ever")?
- Sarah Kendrew
I think a bigger reason is they don't want people seeing errors - every experiment has some kind of "error" - especially an unmeasured quantity that turns out to be important in the end
- Jean-Claude Bradley
As I said on twitter, really think this is just an instance of the control imperative. Scientists are for the most part very uncomfortable with relinquishing direct control over anything that affects them - they want to make every decision as far as possible and the idea that for a framework to scale you have to give up control over thing seems very alien. But I too would like to see some data and analysis on the issue - a fair bit of high profile data misinterpretation going on at the moment.
- Cameron Neylon
scientists concerns can help be addressed by advancing methods and best practices, and by describing case studies to provide confidence. accuracy is an inherent purpose of knowledge sharing, it is a testament to the high level of skill that it is usually accomplished
- Mike Chelen
Well, the imperative to 'show your work' can make people very uncomfortable. I see this all the time in the Open Source world, where developers sit on their code polishing it instead of releasing.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Mike, I'm with Michael on this one - in principle what you say is true, in practice it involves a huge change in attitude, psychology, and culture. You know that slightly nauseous feeling you get when pressing the button to submit a paper or grant? It's the loss of control - the worry that someone will find something you haven't - or tell someone else you're an idiot that leads to that....
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- Cameron Neylon
I'm with Cam, Jean-Claude and Michael on this -- scientists are terrified of being "found out" in an error, or of having someone see something they missed. This is a fundamental issue: ideally, what we want is a culture that values willingness to take those risks as much as (or maybe more than) it values demonstrations of brilliance. It's the emphasis on the latter (science as a career is basically a lifetime of "look how smart I am") that leads to the fears that block cooperation.
- Bill Hooker
Sarah, great question. I haven't found any research quantifying how often misinterpretation (or scooping, or error-finding) actually happens when scientist share their data, but it would be fascinating and important.
- Heather Piwowar
Can anyone post more details, links, information? Actually, I find it quite amusing that some people might find 'the (scientific) interpretation' more important than 'the (raw) data'. Should we start listing the examples in which people have published wrong interpretations, and how long it took for others to reproduce the data and come-up with the 'right' conclusion? For me it looks more like keeping people busy with reproducing data, even if not needed? What a waste in such resource limited times !
- joergkurtwegner
In astronomy data are re-used all the time - scientists often re-use archival data, although there is a certain etiquette to doing this. It's led to new discoveries years after the data were taken, e.g. reprocessing of Hubble images from 1998 led to the retroactive discovery of an exoplanet, see this paper by Lafreniere et al '09 on arxiv http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.3247. Many publicly...
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- Sarah Kendrew
Libel Reform - http://www.badscience.net/2009...
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“it would have been cheaper”, he explained, “if I’d just stabbed the f*cker.”
- Paul Gardner
A salvo of Science papers by Bork/Serrano/Gavin et al. on Mycoplasma: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi... http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi... http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi...
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If I have my story right I think this came out of a criticism from a review panel that the structures and computational bio department was not collaborating enough. They came up with the mycoplasma collaboration that Luis Serrano in particular was very excited about. 3 science papers is not a bad way to show results :). I still have to read them.
- Pedro Beltrao
News and Views at MSB: http://www.nature.com/msb...
- Pedro Beltrao
Editor's choice at Science Signalling http://stke.sciencemag.org/cgi...
- Pedro Beltrao
Article-Level Metrics and the Evolution of Scientific Impact - http://www.citeulike.org/user...
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Article on ALMs by myself and Shirley Wu
- Cameron Neylon
Terrific. Are we still maintaining that list of "outputs resulting from FriendFeed"?
- Neil Saunders
I was planning on doing a demo of annotation at PLoS before the end of the year - perhaps this article would be a good candidate. As always, anyone willing to join is welcome.
- Daniel Mietchen
@ Neil: It's at http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc... , and I have added the article as #25 (details missing).
- Daniel Mietchen
i added a note once, but now it won't let me add any other notes :( I don't see a rule about one note per person. I should have held off for a good one.
- Christina Pikas
I also just noticed that my "annotation" - provided the link to StackOverflow - shows up in the general discussion, where the title "Link" certainly is not helpful, and there is no way I can edit it.
- Daniel Mietchen
maybe something is broken, my note appears in general comments but also in that portion of the text as a comment. maybe that's why I couldn't add other notes?
- Christina Pikas
Not sure why you can't add more notes. Certainly been able to in the past. I see both notes where they are supposed to be I think. But they will also appear in the general comments as well I think.
- Cameron Neylon
Great article! I really need to add some comments or notes, just to prove the authors' point :-)
- Björn Brembs
BTW, when does PLoS finally get karma? I've been asking for proper 'show off' userprofiles for like ever :-)
- Björn Brembs
As in PLoS Overflow?
- Cameron Neylon
Cameron, et al. - What's the most useful thing I could do to nurture and support this renewed interest in article level metrics? (not from a competing data product point of view, but a let's get some good technologies out there with good visibility)
- Mr. Gunn
@Cameron: Exactly! I even think having a profile where you can post a pic and see how many papers and comments were published, papers edited, etc.was the very first thing I asked for when I signed up :-)
- Björn Brembs
But it needs to be federated across publishers... :-)
- Cameron Neylon
if authors put in their 'customer' weight, this will go faster, so why not go syndicate :-)
- Claudia Koltzenburg
I think I'll use this paper in my spring thesis class -- this is the main one where I discuss publishing models -- and maybe I'll demo Diigo with this as a class project next to an article that discusses IF.
- Mickey Schafer
While we're on the subject of functionality wish lists, I would also like an embed functionality for PLoS papers. Collecting my publications together but don't want to duplicate copies and reduce googlejuice for the journal - at least not for the OA papers anyway...
- Cameron Neylon
Whilst not a darts-player http://www.flickr.com/photos... , I think Cameron has hit the "triple-twenty" there :)
- Graham Steel
BTW, why isn't there a way to register this thread with the article? Why are we posting here and not on the article? There's got to be a lesson to be learned from this :-)
- Björn Brembs
from iPhone
Done. See comment #4.
- Graham Steel
I've included a link to this thread in a blog post: Article-level metrics getting attention http://ff.im/bGuNY
- Jim Till
+1 Bjoern :-) another question along these lines would be: why does Cameron's intial FF message link to CiteULike and not to http://www.plosbiology.org/article..., or plainly doi:10.1371/journal.pbio.1000242 ?
- Claudia Koltzenburg
Because that was the way I brought the link in. I think that that pointer is appropriate. It is a pointer to the fact that I bookmarked it. Other people linked to the paper directly. Perhaps the issue is that we accidentally aggregated around the "wrong" item to talk about the paper. I'm not sure this is a problem as long as the referral works - its a UI irritation not a problem with...
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- Cameron Neylon
well, not directly, maybe in this ff-thread we're just providing some material for what you say in your paragraph "Technical Solutions to Social Problems", namely: "approaches that gather information from processes that are already part of the typical research workflow are also much more likely to succeed." - even though ff may not be part of 'the typical research workflow' (yet?) - and...
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- Claudia Koltzenburg
That's true, and certainly conversation sparked by the paper. But how to capture that in a way that is useful further down the line might be tough...
- Cameron Neylon
I am still wondering if we would not need at least one metric for each 'scientist type' as described in http://dx.doi.org/10...
- joergkurtwegner
joergkurtwegner -I'm interested to see what tenurometer comes up with re: h-index correction factors for disciplines.
- Mr. Gunn
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Open Rights Group | Write to the Lords today - http://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog...
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Tomorrow, the Digital Economy Bill is debated by the Lords in its Second Reading. This is the first serious discussion of the contents of the Bill: so we need to make sure the Lords know that this Bill is currently going to be a disaster for justice and the digital economy. Only Lords that speak tomorrow will, by convention, take part in the crucial committee stage of the Bill, where we can expect the Lords to make serious changes to the sections on disconnection on accusation and copyright law by diktat. And we know massive industry lobbying is taking place: we need your help to redress the balance. That’s why we need you to write to the Lords today: either a random Lord, since we don’t have direct representation, or perhaps a Lord you know from previous work. Be polite and reasonable! This Bill is not their fault
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
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Much as I love FriendFeed, its real-time nature is starting to take up too much of my work day. Same goes for Twitter. Any tips for regular, but less frequent ways to use it? For example, if I wanted to check/contribute once or twice a day, what would be a good strategy? I tend to check GReader in this way - how about the FF atom feed?
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I'd recommend checking it out at the end of your day. Things will likely be slower, allowing you to catch up and comment as you will. Turn email updates off if you don't want to be tempted to come back to answer what someone posts outside of your allotted FF visit time.
- Spidra Webster
Try the pause button.
- Raphael, Raphael
Try putting people/groups you want to specifically check on in a special list, that way when you do make your way to FF you can quickly check on the things that interest you most.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
The FF feed is one way to do it, but you'll just end up clicking through to friendfeed, so it'll only save you time if you need to screen through lots of posts. I'm also not sure what order things will come out in. My strategy is just to install the Cleaner Friendfeed Widescreen stylesheets and make liberal use of "Best of Day".
- Mr. Gunn
Sounds like I need a better client. Something that will show only changes since my last visit (like a feed reader), but also allow post, comment and like.
- Neil Saunders
FF needs a good client. Let me know if you find anything.
- Mr. Gunn
We need real-time filtering in my opinion, real-time feeds are becoming just like stocks, they become addictive and eat a lot of your time!
- Alvin
I'm scrolling through everything frontpage in the morning, then "best of day". Same again in the evening. Not too much time.
- Björn Brembs
check fewer times, make groups, and start out with surfing thru "best of day/wek/month" first
- chaz2b
I suggest you write a script that changes your Host file at certain times of the day. The alternative host file will point friendfeed.com to some horrible site that you would never go to while at work.
- Santa CW™
Neil, I can sympathize as my work has recently picked up in intensity. I wind up checking once or twice and just skimming, but in the evening (when I have more time), I use the "Best of Day" to really focus what I spend my time reading.
- Benjamin Tseng
Ration yourself - check in, check out.
- AJCann
Screen the people you follow mercilessly. Keep only low-volume, high-signal people. Someone may post great stuff, but if they publish 20 tweets a day and 18 of them are useless to me, I'll pass. If the idea is *that* great, you'll hear about it from a dozen different people reposting it.
- Chris Miller
I have the same problem with "real-time" social networks. I've piped FF into my Twitter account and keep a client open all the time, but I've faced up to the fact that there's a lot I miss. @Chris Based on your point, I've revised my FF services to reduce the amount of noise and redundancy. Thanks.
- Walter Jessen
Also, make use of the search operators to filter by service (which you can still do with a userscript or in adv. search)
- Mr. Gunn
Thankful for… - http://bytesizebio.net/index...
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Ein Modellorganismus für die Systembiologie - http://www.scienceblogs.de/weiterg...
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It costs $500,000 to send a soldier to Afghanistan for a year. The most expensive colleges cost $50,000. Which is the better investment: send one young person to war or ten to get a top-flight education? - http://www.reddit.com/r...
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Downloading TAIR. Considering the funding situation of TAIR, I want to have a local copy of their entire FTP site.
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British Library's Bitter Digital Milestone - http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009...
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ouch
- Richard Akerman
well, "like" may not be the right word... :)
- Allyson Lister
No, but it is a bit much...
- Cameron Neylon
*sigh* it's a depressing but understandable development. rare-materials collections have been making spare cash off selling stuff (including digital stuff) for quite a while now, as support from Teh Taxpayer has been dwindling. it's fairly natural to think in terms of perceived sustainability rather than mission. regrettable, but natural.
- D0r0th34
almost have oplsaa->gromacs converter for unusual molecules (via projectaten) working .. a few more tweaks then testing :)
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The Warren L. DeLano Memorial Award for Computational Biosciences - http://bytesizebio.net/index...
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CASP8 Results | Foldit - http://fold.it/portal...
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Summary of foldit results in the 2008 Protein Structure Prediction competition (CASP8): "foldit players are on par, but not better than protein folding experts at trying to solve the same problem with all tools available to them. It also appears that foldit outperformed all fully automated server submissions. Hopefully over time foldit can do even better, but being able to produce solutions of same quality as experts means that the top science research can now also be done outside of labs by game players, significantly speeding up the process of scientific advancement! "
- Michael Nielsen
Open Knowledge Conference (OKCon) 2010: Call for Proposals - http://blog.okfn.org/2009...
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"We welcome proposals on any aspect of creating, publishing or reusing content or data that is open in accordance with opendefinition.org. "
- Michael Nielsen
Google Code Blog: Introducing Closure Tools - http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2009...
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Google open-source a bunch of Java Script tooling
- Cameron Neylon
An op/ed about publishing "negative" results: "Shining a Light on Dark Data," by myself and Vivian Siegel http://dmm.biologists.org/content...
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Great piece! I especially like the delineation of types of "negative" results - results that aren't even "negative", but just were deemed unpublishable for some reason or another. It does seem that a lot of the practical barriers would be overcome by self-publishing online through electronic notebooks or blogs, with minimal effort, but minimal is still some...
- Shirley Wu
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RT @konradfoerstner "Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad." http://www.boingboing.net/2009... (via @FranziskaHeine) #ACTA #web
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Connect with Fans and give them a Reason to Buy... as a possible business model for quality journalism. http://techdirt.com/article...
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$5,000 Open Access fee in Nature Communications, and even then you can only choose between CC-BY-NC-ND and CC-BY-NC-SA?!
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it's either a huge increase or huge decrease in the open access fee for nature publishing, depending if you consider their old price to be infinity or zero :D
- Mike Chelen
I'm looking to hire a post-doc for some molecular dynamics methodology development (with more of a materials emphasis than bio). The project will be as open as they come (online source code and data repositories, OA publishing). Please let any good candidates know.
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sounds like a great opportunity - good luck!
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Shared to the Biojobs room... not sure anyone is really using it, but can't hurt.
- Bill Hooker
I hired my first post-doc on Usenet - is that still operating?
- Jean-Claude Bradley
JC: it's alive and well! doesn't hurt that bandwidth is cheaper than ever :)
- Mike Chelen
I've used the molecular-dynamics-news mailing list (which has a surprisingly long history!) in past searches. But since I promised the NSF that this project would all be done in the open, I thought I'd post where that's the expected norm.
- Dan Gezelter
I've just started a collaboration with a molecular modeling group...don't know of any ready for postdocs yet, but will keep my eyes open. Also, very stoked to hear that you got funded along with promising to be all in the open! Congrats!
- Steve Koch
PhyLIS - a free Linux distribution for phylogenetics - http://www.eve.ucdavis.edu/rcthoms...
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"PhyLIS is a user-friendly, free linux distribution for phylogenetics. Install it and you have an instant phylogenetics workstation. No downloading packages or messing with compilers, no configuring software, no worrying about small differences between systems that mess up your scripts. Simply install, sit down, and work. PhyLIS started during a period when I was acquiring several new computers for a large phyloinformatic project and grew tired of installing general purpose linux distributions, and then having to spend an hour or two reconfiguring everything and adding software on each new computer. I began developing scripts that would do some of this work for me, eventually they became overly-complicated, and I still had to carry around thumbdrives full of software or needlessly re-download everything. Eventually it just became more desirable to have an operating system that was specifically geared towards doing phylogenetics. PhyLIS is based on Ubuntu linux, a widely used...
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- Mike Chelen
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Thank you for giving me the opportunity to explain this to you [dive into mark] - http://diveintomark.org/archive...
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Mark Pilgrim's excellent book "Dive Into Python" was republished on Amazon.com, under the terms of his GNU Free Documentation License. This is driving his publisher nuts. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more - why aren't books by Doctorow, Lessig et al immediately republished by other publishers?
- Michael Nielsen
I wonder if we'll see more prominent examples of this. A plausible story to follow: some publishers will refuse to publish under CC (or GFDL) licenses, prominent authors like Doctorow, Lessig, Benkler et al will move to self-publishing, and services like Lulu might be off to the races.
- Michael Nielsen
How much more prominent than Lessig and Doctorow were you thinking exactly?
- D0r0th34
"more" as in "other". I've never really understood why (e.g.) Doctorow's publisher goes with a CC license. Any other publisher could easily release Doctorow's work, and could underprice it, since they wouldn't be paying royalties or an advance. And legally, if the CC license stood up, they'd be completely within rights.
- Michael Nielsen
Ah, gotcha. Well, I wouldn't touch Doctorow's work with a ten-foot pole, if I were a conniving publisher. 1) I'm still competing with free. 2) Doctorow would rip me up one side and down the other on BoingBoing for harming his print publisher. 3) Doctorow's fans are very engaged with him, so such a rip would very likely be bad for business.
- D0r0th34
Doctorow is trying a new publishing experiment with his latest short story collection that does involve Lulu: http://www.publishersweekly.com/article...
- John Dupuis
D0r0th34: Point (1) is equally true of his print publisher. As for (2) and (3), any money made here is pure gravy for such a publisher - so what if you annoy a lot of fans? Heck, you can even reduce your risk, by arranging print runs based on how well the book debuts. (I'm not advocating it, especially, I just think this is likely to happen increasingly often, because there's a lot of commercial upside, and virtually no downside that I can see, if the CC licenses hold up in court.)
- Michael Nielsen
We'll see what sales end up looking like. Put it this way: "pure gravy" isn't, quite, because somebody still has to go out there and find books that can be exploited in this fashion and then typeset them (badly, admittedly; but consider a book like Pilgrim's, where bad typesetting harms meaning so much that nobody with half an ounce of sense will buy the offprint). Will there be enough gravy to cover these acquisitions costs? Honestly, I doubt it.
- D0r0th34
My guess is that someone like Doctorow gets a 6 figure advance. You can buy a lot of acquisitions and typesetting for that amount of money.
- Michael Nielsen
... I seriously, SERIOUSLY doubt that. Doctorow's good, but he's still pretty much midlist from a mass-market publisher POV. I guess I can email and ask him.
- D0r0th34
Very interesting, but I fail to understand why anyone would want to buy a paper copy of the book rather than reading online as it is completely example driven and you need to be sitting in front of a computer to run the examples. I think a simple temporary solution to "third party" publishing would be to license the electronic version under CC-ND, whilst reserving all rights for the...
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- Matt Leifer
Even if he's getting a $30k advance, the republisher is still saving a huge amount of money.
- Michael Nielsen
Michael: You may be missing something about Doctorow's use of CC. He uses BY-NC-SA. If that's legally enforceable, and it probably is, he could sue any publisher who republished his material *for profit*--that's the NC clause. So, a key point is (4) There's an enormous downside if Doctorow wants to make a point (possibly with CC's support): You'd have a VERY weak legal stance. CC isn't waiving all rights, not unless it's CC0.
- Walt Crawford
Walt: Thanks for pointing that out, I'd completely forgotten. I imagine Lessig et al are similar. I wonder if the NC part of CC has ever been tested? Something like this might be an interesting test case. (Especially if a not-for-profit started up that republished, but not for profit. )
- Michael Nielsen
Well, Creative Commons spent a lot of expert lawyer time making sure the CC licenses were bulletproof. I'd guess a case involving a commercial publisher republishing a BY-NC book would be a slam-dunk. A nonprofit *that was not making profits from the book*--that might be interesting. There's been a LOT of discussion, and a survey, as to what us CC users think "NC" really means.
- Walt Crawford
BTW, the reason I got into asking academic publishers about this is that I am interested to know how I should license content that I am primarily intending to make available online, allowing as much freedom as possible, but that I might want to publish in print at a later date. Of course, most publishers don't have an actual policy on this and are very wary of discussing hypotheticals,...
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- Matt Leifer
Book or journal publishers, Matt? It makes a difference.
- D0r0th34
Book. With journal articles it is easy because I am in math/physics and they usually have a clear policy on arXiv preprints. Also, the availability of a free online version is not strongly correlated to journal sales at the moment, whereas it would be for a book.
- Matt Leifer
Okay. How important is the accumulated prestige of the publisher to you? Or is what really matters that the book be published and that you retain the rights you wish to? (I swear there is method to my madness here.) There are some full-OA uni-press-type outfits out there, but I don't know which of them do math/physics. Will research.
- D0r0th34
Hm - I can't find the "republished" version of Dive into Python on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/s... - does anyone know if it was yanked or maybe published under a different title? Does the GDFL require attribution (if not, then perhaps it was published under another name)?
- Hilary
@Matt: I may have misunderstood your comment above, but I don't think CC-ND prevents people from just printing the original version w/o significant alterations. The license says "The above rights may be exercised in all media and formats whether now known or hereafter devised" but that "you have no rights to make Adaptations" - an Adaptation is defined as "a form in which the Work may...
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- Hilary
Yes, you are right. I guess what we need is a license that gives the publisher exclusive rights for the print version, but applies CC-like provisions to electronic versions. I realize that this partly defeats the object of CC, but I figure that print versions will eventually become obsolete so it is only a temporary measure designed to allow academics to benefit from the prestige of an academic publisher, whilst still allowing freedom of information online.
- Matt Leifer
@Matt: I really like your idea. In some sense, every open content license is transitional, pending even more openness, so I agree that such compromises can help. That's part of the genius of CC in the first place, after all. Before CC, there were very few gradations in pre-written licenses; you could go all rights reserved, BSD-style or GFDL, and that was about it. Now, you can specify if attribution is needed, if derivative and commercial uses are OK, etc., and I think we are far more open for the options.
- Christopher Granade
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