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SFPD Officer Threatens to Break Skater's Arm "Like a Twig" - http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news...

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Well, was the skater really scrawny? - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

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Youtube video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Thomas Hawk

Yup, the kids were in violation of at least two laws. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

Damn, can't skateboard in SF? That sucks major ass - Maxamad

Yeah, that does suck. I wasn't aware of that law. Are Segways legal in SF? On a side note, it's usually not a great idea to call a police officer a fucking dick, or direct any other profanity at them. Things usually go a lot better if you are polite. - Cristo

Cristo, indeed, the kid was an idiot for calling the cop that. But being an idiot isn't against the law and as the one with the gun and badge and obligation to protect and serve, the cop acted poorly. If you are going to be given the privilege of a gun and badge in society you can't break down simply because someone is disrespectful to you. Being disrespectful is not a crime. - Thomas Hawk

No, but, Thomas, you seem to continue to skip right on by the fact that the kids were committing a crime. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

Speeding is against the law, and I've gotten off with a warning plenty of times by being polite to the officer that stopped me. The kid could have avoided going to jail and having his skateboard taken if he had kept his mouth shut. I'm not defending the cop, I'm just being practical. - Cristo

Also, I'm not sure being given a gun and a badge is a privilege. It's not a job that I would want, and I'm glad there are those who are willing to do it. Not for enforcing skateboarding laws, but for keeping the truly bad people away from me. - Cristo

Anyone have a link to what the actual law is regarding skateboards, segways, and scooters on San Francisco city streets? - Cristo

If law enforcement keeps behaving in this fashion, then it will only get worse, because people will get less and less respect for the police, be more rude, etc. It's a vicious circle which I think needs to be broken by the law enforcement agencies. - Rene Wirtz

MVB, violating the law should not result in that kind of police harassment. Skateboarding is largely a victimless crime, like jaywalking. Not allowing skateboarding in SF by the way is an idiotic law. - Thomas Hawk

"Not allowing skateboarding in SF by the way is an idiotic law." -- I certainly agree with this. - Cristo

Sorry, I'm siding with the officer on this one, unless you can explain to me when disrespect of anyone, let alone directed at an adult police officer by a child, is appropriate. Perhaps you have been in the Peoples Socialist Republic of Berkley too long, but, if that was me, my dad would have whooped my ass for saying that to anyone. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

"while also claiming that at no point did he threaten anyone." Um. - Andrew C

Yup, Andrew. That, too was wrong. Here's the deal: you can not use the behavior of one to excuse the behavior of the other. That, ultimately, is my point. The kid broke a few different laws, including resisting arrest. The officer should have been a little more polite. The result ends up the same: kid goes to jail. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

MVB, the thing is that we have laws though and disrespecting a cop isn't one of them. Even then though threatening to break a citizen's arm is uncalled for. Cops need to have level heads. This guy does not have one. - Thomas Hawk

So, you think disrespect is perfectly fine? - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

"not perfectly fine" != "deserves threats of violence from authority figures". - Andrew C

Disrespect is wrong, but the one person that should always be respectful is the police man. If he gets to be disrespectful, where does it end?! - Rene Wirtz

MVB The cop needs to be the adult here even when the other adults are acting childish. - CW™

and "valid arrest" != "comes with a side of threats". - Andrew C

Because after threats comes unnecessary tazering or shooting. - Rene Wirtz

I give up. There is no use when everyone jumps up defending a snot-nosed, belligerent twerp who clearly has an out-of-control case of "entitlementism." Like I said before, if I acted that way my dad would have doubled whatever I got and I'm better for it. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

@MVB: I am not fully disagreeing with you. It is true that kids today are a lot less respectful, but cops these days are not how they used to be either, when just raising their voice a little bit would keep people in check. The skateboarder was wrong, but the cop was also wrong and he should have behaved better. - Rene Wirtz

MVB, I think everyone here would agree the kid was disrespectful and broke the law. - Kenton

Apparently all but one, Kenton. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

MVB, I don't think disrespect is fine at all. The kid was in the wrong for calling the cop what he did. But disrespecting the police is permitted via the 1st Amendment and until that's repealed I'm not sure it will ever be considered illegal. An unlawful use of force is in fact illegal though, and although the officer did not actually follow through on his threat, threatening an... more... - Thomas Hawk

Thomas, did the kid deserve to be arrested? - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

No he did not. He deserved to be cited for the crime of skateboarding and released on site. It's a stupid victimless crime, like jaywalking. Question. Do you think this *very public* video builds cooperation, support and partnership between the SFPD and the community? - Thomas Hawk

Insulting a cop is not a crime. Yet. - Andrew C

So, what other crimes can I commit for which I should not be arrested? - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

Speeding? - Kenton

Smoking marijuana. Almost all traffic violations. Usually you are not arrested unless it's a misdemeanor or worse. - Cristo

Infractions != misdemeanors != felonies. however, committing an infraction, then acting like a moron can instantly get someone into "disturbing the peace" - a misdemeanor... and incidentally, while i think the cop stepped over the line, i have no idea what it's like to be one and i have absolutely no interest in creating some new set of rules that they all of a sudden need to be super-polite either. - Jeremy Toeman

Sorry, way, way too politically correct for me. Try talking to me the same way that little punk talks, and I'll guaranty the officer looks like Mother Teresa. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

"politically correct"? Perhaps you mean _legally_ correct. - Andrew C

MVB, it's a crime to park at an expired meter. Do you want to be arrested for that? There's a big difference between crimes that actually require someone to be arrested for public safety reason (say a murder, a flight risk) and a crime that's minor (as a traffic infraction). Should he have called the officer a dick? No, even if he has a protected right to, it's not wise. It just pissed... more... - dannysullivan

@Jeremy - my problem is people inventing "new set of rules" that ordinary civilians basically have to kowtow to police. - Andrew C

Apparently, it might not be illegal, either http://sf.metblogs.com/2009... - dannysullivan

dannysullivan++ - Andrew C

@Andrew since when does "being polite to those who risk their lives for us" (and yes, they do - not every day/all the time, but that *IS* their job) == "kowtow"? again, why is anyone defending this punk kid's actions? do you think cops should have to be treated this way while doing their jobs? - Jeremy Toeman

We're not defending his actions. We're upset that a police officer threatened to break his arm. Mouthing off does not = I'll break your arm. He's a minor, right? Give him a ticket. No ID, arrest him to issue the citation, hey, that's fine too. But no, I don't think we need police officers venting their frustration that people might assume they're assholes by acting like them. He gives... more... - dannysullivan

I saw that memo also, and it wasn't clear to me what the law is now in 2009: http://www.sfgov.org/site... - Cristo

"2. Prohibits motorized skateboards on streets, sidewalks, "or any other part of a highway or on any bikeway, bicycle path or trail, equestrian trail, or hiking or recreational trail." (CA Vehicle Code §21968. Interestingly, California passed SB441 in October 1999 allowing motorized scooters on public roadways under certain conditions1.)" -- This one is particularly interesting to me because I have an electric skateboard. Apparently I'm not allowed to use it anywhere though. :( - Cristo

@Jeremy - no, police shouldn't be treated that way. But, yeah, what dannysullivan said. The appropriate response to rudeness to cops is not police violence, nor a threat of it. I could turn it around on y'all - why is anyone defending this cop? - Andrew C

See, if the kid had just yelled "you lie," that would have been much better. Imagine the campaign contributions! C'mon, gotta lighten it up a bit around here :) - dannysullivan

Are all streets in San Francisco considered to be in a "business district?" - Bill Slawski

I ask because SEC. 7.2.13. NON-MOTORIZED USER-PROPELLED VEHICLES (NUV) (as amended in 2008) of the San Francisco Municipal Code would appear to allow skateboarding on city streets that aren't in a business district. Has the law changed, and the online version of the municipal code not been changed? Or did this arrest happen in a business district? - Bill Slawski

Robert Scoble

Watch next week what @davewiner does with RSS (decentralized Tweet distribution):

September 4 from email - Comment - Like - Share

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If this is all working Dave Winer will see this post, via Twitter, in his RSS aggregator via the RSS Cloud. What does this mean? We will soon be able to build our own Twitters that interact with both Tweets as well as old-style blog posts via RSS. Oh, yeah, all in near real time. At most a minute between publish and reads. Right Dave? - Robert Scoble from email

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By the way, the bridge is beautiful tonight and a good metaphor for what Dave is building: a bridge between Twitter and other things. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

I like this because I have faith in Dave, not because this paragraph was completely coherent. - Jimminy

Jimminy: it took me more than a year to get RSS. Hopefully I can explain this better soon. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Got it! http://images.scripting.com/archive... - Dave Winer

After finally getting RSS and now Twitter, now we have to figure out how they intertwine. Hopefully that will be easier. - Robin Whitson

This is Scobles cloud-enabled feed, emanating from Twitter. http://twitter.rsscloud.org/Scoblei... - Dave Winer

Robert, It's just the one sentence in the middle that I'm still trying to understand, I'm guessing you mean we can use our source to interact with Twitter and Blogs. I'm guessing this is posting to both locations. I still can't use Google Reader, it doesn't feel right to have to sit on a site to wait for feeds, my browser should update me when something new comes in. - Jimminy

What does it mean Dave? - Chris Saad

oops, I tried seeing mine. Access denied. :) - motownmutt

Dave, you must tell me more. :-) How is this different than just subscribing to Scoble's Twitter feed RSS in your favorite reader? (PM me if I can try it) - Jesse Stay

I have a client doing simultaneous video viewing and messaging in a viral, shareable platform now - Karma Martell

Hey Robert I heard you were dissing my friend Mahendra, whats up with that? - Joe

You leaving him out in the cold? - Joe

Jesse, it's explained here. http://rsscloud.org/ - Dave Winer

J: not that I know. Huh? - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Dave - very cool, so is this competing with Hubbub then? Robert, you can already create your own Twitter by publishing to your blog and subscribers getting updates via RSS. :-) This makes that stream real-time, which Twitter doesn't have. - Jesse Stay

http://ff.im/7Fmve Robert this is what I mean, he feels left out in cold! - Joe

Jesse, this was developed in January 2001. http://www.thetwowayweb.com/soapmee... - Dave Winer

I wondered why I can't read my rss stream in twitter, other way round is possible but not functional. - Michael Jung from Android

J. deakins: I had no idea who he is. I've followed him now. Jesse: the thing that this opens up for me is real time RSS and the potential for building Twitters we control. The world feels a lot like 1993 right now. Apple controls mobile. Twitter controls microblogging. Sort of like AOL and Compuserve did. Then things changed in 1994, and I see this as a step toward that. - Robert Scoble

I know that folks in business and media are all asking themselves why they are giving Twitter control over their brands and lives. Think about all the free advertising CNN has given Twitter this year. For what? So that we can take away their news brand. That seems monumentally stupid to me even though I'm benefiting from this stupidity on media's part big time. - Robert Scoble

Holden: I think they should say "follow our Twitter at CNN.com/twitter" instead of at "twitter.com/CNN." Get it yet? - Robert Scoble

oh GOD yes - finally :) - Chris Saad

totally unrelated but what were you doing up there tonight? it has been ridiculously beautiful lately. - metalerik

Robert, the only thing different about it that I can see is that it's real-time. You've been able to create your own Twitter since 2000 (or whenever RSS came to be). - Jesse Stay

metalerik: I picked my son up in Petaluma and are now driving home. Well, except now we're in an Apple store. :-) - Robert Scoble

Jesse: real time is very important. - Robert Scoble

Dave, so the only advantage is that it pre-dates Hubbub? I'm just curious, constructively, what the advantages are. - Jesse Stay

Robert, Twitter isn't real-time though - Jesse Stay

Holden: it's more than an oversight. Of course, I have the same sins (I give my brand over to Twitter and FriendFeed and Posterous and Facebook). Maybe that's why I recognize that sin in others. :-) Of course I didn't have the world's #1 news brand and don't charge thousands of dollars per minute for advertising, which CNN is now giving away for free to Twitter. - Robert Scoble

Robert - Apple store good. Getting home on time unlikely - Arthur Coleman

I'm glad YOU said it Scoble :) - Chris Saad

Jesse: Twitter is real time enough. Note that Dave got this original Tweet within a minute. - Robert Scoble

Arthur: I pay $6 to cross the bridge and $50 to buy Snow Leopard. Steve Jobs tax paid. Now we can go home! :-) - Robert Scoble

"yeah, you wouldn't belieeeeeeeeeeve how bad the traffic was..." heheh - metalerik

Holden: yup. This is why RSS Cloud is interesting. It is yet another bridge between Twitter and owning your own brand again. - Robert Scoble

metalerik: it was horrid. It seems like I've been driving all day. Oh, wait, I have been. Sigh. - Robert Scoble

Dave is on a roll. This is super! - Mahendra (SkepticGeek)

i'm pretty sure i never lost my brand dude... - Jeremy Toeman

Robert, when I post to my blog you get it immediately as well. - Jesse Stay

i can't help but feel this is all about something relevant to the 0.000001% of people who *both* create AND consume a tremendous amount of content, not the majority of people who barely do either... - Jeremy Toeman

Jesse: excellent. Now you'll get everything I do immediately. :-) - Robert Scoble

Jeremy: true. Most people don't care, which is why most people use Facebook. But anyone who has a monetizeable content brand, like CNN, should care deeply. - Robert Scoble

so you think CNN has "lost brand value" because they use twitter? - Jeremy Toeman

BTW - here's your missing bridge piece. :) http://images.earthcam.com/ecnetwo... - Jeremy Toeman

Here's an example: http://friendfeed.com/staynal... - Jesse Stay

Or even faster: http://friendfeed.com/jessest... - Jesse Stay

Jesse FTW. - Jeremy Toeman

super happy that robert is trying this out. i hope this makes RSS more interesting to you again :) these are good times. REDUX! - sull

Need to play with this and think through it but I believe that several of our brands are going to be interested in this - thanks for sharing Robert, and thanks for continuing to push the boundaries Dave. - Bill Sanders

Robert: Have a good weekend syncing Snow Leopard with Exchange - it's big new thing, I hear - Arthur Coleman

Next piece in this thread: RSS has no Fail Whale. http://www.scripting.com/stories... - Dave Winer

That last comment is spam. - Garin Kilpatrick

BTW -- Robert has oversold here a bit. First, don't look to what I do with RSS next week, look to what others do with it. And it may not happen next week. That's why I, as an engineer, generally don't make promises like the one Robert made. Slippage happens all the time, the best laid plans of mice and men... http://wiki.answers.com/Q... - Dave Winer

Does anyone - besides Dave and Scoble - still use RSS? I always wanted to love RSS, but I simply don't don't see the reason. It's a solution looking for a problem. Even without all the scalability problems - Twitter already delivers much more value than any other rss-based method ever did. I like the idea of a distributed microblogging system like Dave proposes for rssCloud, but don't think this will happen with RSS ever. - gui ambros

Robert Scoble

Mashable and LA Times discussed here (I changed this post to remove inaccuracy in headline).

September 2 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Well... What can you say? They've used my video work before with no credit/links. Is it typical of the site now? - Jolie O'Dell

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That's why I love TechCrunch. - Guilherme da Rosa

TechCrunch isn't the best about linking back, either. Just sayin'. I still love TC, though. Good reads. - Jolie O'Dell

If the article's down, I'm sure it's cached. - Jolie O'Dell

Copying? In what way? I saw the statement (on Current) and wrote an article. The image I found in a cc search. If it's copyrighted, I'll take the image down asap. - Ben Parr

Ben: Can you link us to the post in question? - Jolie O'Dell

Ben posted his article before this was posted, it looks like it happened the other way around Scoble. http://mashable.com/2009... - Jimminy

@Jolie: If we use your video work without credit/links, just email me and I'll fix it. - Ben Parr

It was part of a post on Dan Zarella's work. Pete referenced the video but made no mention of the fact that it was originally created for and published on RWW. Now, to be fair, Dan asked and received permission to use the video on his own, but it just doesn't look good for Mashable. And people notice. - Jolie O'Dell

I just sent you a DM Scoble. It sums up to this: I do not appreciate your attacking my journalistic integrity. I have never, on purpose or ever, stole content from anyone and liberally link back if you were a consistent reader of my articles - Ben Parr

Furthermore, the LA time piece came AFTER my article, published on September 1st, not the 2nd. - Ben Parr

Glad to hear this one was a misunderstanding... whew. The drama! - Jolie O'Dell

Ben, actually there is a copyrighted article in the Op-ed from 6:30 yesterday. http://www.latimes.com/news... - Jimminy

Oh, the irony! ;D - Guilherme da Rosa

Fight - Wayne Sutton from iPhone

Jeez... - Jolie O'Dell

Scoble doesn't have to, the first link on the page linked to my second link. - Jimminy

What a hot mess this is. - Jimminy

Why do I get the feeling we're going to read all about this on Techmeme later today or tomorrow? Can we all just get along? - Wayne Sutton from iPhone

Jimminy - thanks for the link. I took the statement from - http://current.com/sl... and credited it to Current in the article. I never take or steal from anyone purposely for any reason. Ever. - Ben Parr

Ben: how did you get the release? From Current.tv? Why not link to the original? I've Tweeted all of this. - Robert Scoble

I #BlameDrewsCancer - drew olanoff

ROFL @drew - Jolie O'Dell

Ben: why didn't you link to the original? - Robert Scoble

someone dog pile on someone please. - geoff hines

And, Ben, someone sent me this post. So, perception out there is why I wrote this. Glad you cleared it up and I'm sorry I questioned your integrity. I didn't see attribution in the original and it looked strange. - Robert Scoble

that statement was of sufficient public interest that I figured the lack of attribution wasn't the biggest deal in the world. I read the statement on mashable and was glad to get the chance to. of course generally speaking attribution is important, I'm just saying. - Marshall Kirkpatrick

Scoble: I did link, to current.tv's homepage. The statement appears on the homepage when you visit the first time. It changes after the first time you visit the homepage. That is something I will remember for the future. - Ben Parr

...and if you ever wanted to see a navel-gazing blogger sh*tstorm in six minutes flat... HERE WE ARE!!! - Jolie O'Dell

Even though he was wrong, I'm glad Scoble is now the copyright police. AP was doing a really bad job. Kidding, it's an important issue and it's good it gets talked about. - Dominic Jones

Scoble, he got it from the Current site, it's front page there currently. There is no link to the LA Times version on Current either. - Jimminy

Interesting. Regardless of linking back or not, I'm tired of bloggers not coming up with their own stories/angles and writing posts ABOUT other posts, period. My unsolicited $0.02. - Jennifer Leggio

Marshall: it's always best to explain how you got the information and link to the original, if it's on the web somewhere. It's like forgetting a footnote in a college paper. - Robert Scoble

Check your facts, always, plz. Kthx. - Andru Edwards

Jennifer, in our mutual defense, only so much news happens in any given day. And unlike @arrington, not all of us can just make sh*t up. ;) - Jolie O'Dell

My question, how the f*ck did the LA Times get a copyright on this when it came directly from Laura and Euna on the Current site. - Jimminy

Jolie, Yeah, but letting news drive all of the content is just lazy. Then again I tend to veer toward more feature / interview type stuff anyway. To each his - or her - own. :) We're in agreement about @arrington, though. ;-) - Jennifer Leggio

Is this Armageddon? Tech blog wars! - Jesse Stay

wow!. Well, I do like Mashable, now and again but their overly PANIC headlines and thier sometimes shady reporting makes me think twice before retweeting. The incident that stands out he most to me was the whole 1984 Kindle thing, when I just took 2 minutes and was able to find it in the Kindle store at Amazon.com and also was able to download a copy to my Kindle. - PJ Edwards

Jimminy: LA Times puts copyright on everything. Truth is LA Times didn't link either. which is why my reader was confused. By the way, I've just apologized to Ben on Twitter. See, it all works out. - Robert Scoble

Jennifer: I am worried about that trend as well. However, most stories are broken by just one (of millions) of instutitions, or are reporting on a public statement and we all pick up on it. I try to give a smart analysis on those stories though. - Ben Parr

Ew. - Kishau Rogers

Robert: I appreciate it, apology accepted. These misunderstandings happen. - Ben Parr

I just want everyone to know that I love all of you - group hug? - Jesse Stay

PJ - I've seen a lot of comments lately about Mashable feeling more "tabloid" like. - Jennifer Leggio

@Jesse Stay: It's a Twitter prank ;D - Guilherme da Rosa

Ben - Agree. A unique angle helps, but sometimes I think those unique stories are diminished because everyone is racing to get the most page views. - Jennifer Leggio

Ben: the thing is, Mashable has a rep as per http://live.louisgray.com/2008... and that's why I jumped in. - Robert Scoble

GROUP HUG! - Jolie O'Dell

<3 - drew olanoff

I agree Jesse, and I also agree with Drew, we'll just #blamedrewscancer - Jimminy

s2 - Guilherme da Rosa

I wonder what we're going to blame things on after Drew beats his cancer? - Robert Scoble

Also - I'm going to wager Current didn't link back to the holy la times because they broke the release story. ChloeS had the inside track before the times knew it was daylight. - Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct

You. - Jolie O'Dell

I'll still blame his cancer, and scoble - Jesse Stay

#BlameScoble! Or... not... Ok, I'm outtie for now. Be kind, peeps! - Jolie O'Dell

I own blamescoble.com. Dave Winer thinks I should create a wiki out of it - what do you think? - Jesse Stay

Jennifer: It's not that I have anything against it and I do in fact RT Mashable a lot, it's just something that might need some work. Like constructive criticism. - PJ Edwards

Robert: I was not editor then, and it's a much larger and stronger team now. - Ben Parr

@robert: seeing as how you KNOW PEOPLE AT MASHABLE, why didn't you bother to verify it as accurate before making it public? - Jeremy Toeman

Jolie: Group hug! Jennifer and PJ: Always feel free to email criticism or thoughts at ben@mashable.com, and I will email you mine. - Ben Parr

PJ - Agreed. I actually wrote a post that dug into the topic on PR 2.0 last week. I would link it, but I don't want to post whore. :) - Jennifer Leggio

I think Scoble should do a guest post on Mashable - Wayne Sutton from iPhone

Jesse, I say we take Scoble's avatar and replace his mouth with a text input and then we can cram the stuff we blame Scoble for down his throat. In a nice way. - Jimminy

So what's the verdict on the Gmail piece?? - Minu Nianda

Jeremy Toeman makes the best point in this thread. - Jennifer Leggio

Jeremy: in hindsight that probably would have been better way to go. I live in public, though, for better or for worse. Sometimes better. Sometimes worse. No one can accuse me of playing footsie behind closed doors, though. - Robert Scoble

Crap happens, and I'm glad to have people like Robert Scoble paying attention. I'm sure it wasn't anything purposely done, but the fact that we have checks and balances and a code of conduct is a great thing. - drew olanoff

@Robert: what kind of a BS answer is that? you PUBLICLY ACCUSED them. period. no footsie, no nothing. now if *anyone* thinks they actually did that, you are to blame, because they might not have noticed your follow-up tweet. it's irresponsible. - Jeremy Toeman

I don't see the link on the Mashable article to the Current page. Where is it? I find it funny that Ben Parr and Mashable are being called out for using a statement, and ostensibly linking to Current, from Current employees instead of the LA Times. Considering the story is identical on Current and the LA Times, it's almost likely they issued the statement to multiple news outlets.... more... - Mark Trapp

Thanks drew. Truth is, a reader of mine sent me this and wondered why Mashable does this. So, glad the perception was dealt with in public. - Robert Scoble

@Drew: yes, the code of conduct is to VERIFY RUMORS before making accusations. - Jeremy Toeman

@Robert: something you could have verified and cleared up in private, there was no reason to do so in public. - Jeremy Toeman

Mark, we've already concluded the direct-from-source version was the one on Current, still haven't seen a proper link to it though. - Jimminy

Jeremy: fair enough. I work in public. That's my tool of choice. - Robert Scoble

One reason not to link to the original is because then your readers will see how little value you added to the piece you copied. - Dominic Jones

Robert - But to Jeremy's point, if you're trying to serve the community, don't you owe it to the community to check accuracy? Otherwise it's perpetuating the problem. We went straight to an issue of accused plagiarism to one of potential libel. - Jennifer Leggio

Jennifer: true. I went over the line. - Robert Scoble

Jimminy: fair enough. Thought I was blind with the link, because in this discussion, Ben Parr said he linked the story to Current. - Mark Trapp

Wow, everything unfolded and wrapped up in 45 minutes. Talk about real time. - Mona Nomura

I added a clarification to the bottom of the article in question so nobody else gets confused. Hopefully that ends all confusion and @scobleizer and I can be friends again. If there are future issues, I respond to emails fast and DMs faster. - Ben Parr

Mark, the post has been amended, the link is at the very bottom of the article now. - Jimminy

Pete Cashmore stole my heart with his good looks! - sean percival

I hope Armageddon ends up in a group hug like this - Jesse Stay

this reminds me of that time Glenn Beck misconstrued something someone said and then got called on it and apologized...wait, dammit, that didn't happen that was just a dream I had last night argh - Marco(aureliusmaximus)

here is engagement;p - zʍıɔ

What you didn't see in the video of Robert interviewing me was that we were, in fact, playing footsie. Whew. Glad I got that off my chest. Sorry, Robert. It had to be said in light of all this public venting. :) - Lon Cohen

Here we go again..... So I had a look and coming in late on this I see at the bottom Mashable link to Current - OK, all fixed everyone happy. I went and read the louisgray.com post @Scoble linked to above and Louis links to a post on parislemon.com regarding Ars Technica so I read that and am then having a quick look at the Ars post and a 'similar' post is recommended by Ars to me on... more... - Stephen Edgar

Jeremy Toeman

had no idea i was using a very outdated version of NeoOffice (Snow Leopard wouldn't launch it!) - big fail on my part. upgrading now!

August 30 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

I don't see the point of using NeoOffice with OpenOffice for Aqua, @bigtoe - Prolific Programmer from IM

been using it for a while, really used to it. any major arguments for OO? - Jeremy Toeman from email

Andrew Fowler

@jtoeman Love to get your perspective: You can comment here: http://friendfeed.com/guhmshoo

August 12 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

but commenting here doesn't get the comment back to your blog... - Jeremy Toeman

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We made a decision a while ago to turn off comments on our blog. See: http://www.newsvetter.com/2009... Not everyone agrees with this policy, but no one has cared that much either. Do you not want to comment here? - Andrew Fowler

commenting here is fine, but it'll only reach a ridiculously tiny fraction of readers of your post. which basically means its more of a discussion between me and you, which we might as well do over email. - Jeremy Toeman

to put it another way, there's very little emotional, personal, or business incentive to comment here - which is the problem of disassociating your comment stream from your readership... - Jeremy Toeman

Thanks Jeremy. I hear what you're saying. BTW, Tom Foremski reposted our article over at: http://www.siliconvalleywatcher.com/. Your comment will likely get more bang for its buck over there anyway. - Andrew Fowler

i'd be very happy to have my comments show up on your site - not really looking for any particular bang, but to relegate discussion to friendfeed without it showing up elsewhere is just not productive... - Jeremy Toeman

Wow. This must be some comment. Let's have it. :) - Andrew Fowler

it's only the best comment ever! ;) - Jeremy Toeman

Ok. I'll turn on comments. Do not disappoint. - Andrew Fowler

Hmm. Do I approve Jeremy's comment or not? - Andrew Fowler

Franklin Pettit

The Rise and Fall of FriendFeed - http://www.fpettit.com/2009...

August 11 from A Blog by Franklin Pettit - Comment - Like - Share

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I don't think FriendFeed has a user base of 45 million. Thats roughly twitter's user base. - DGentry

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Ok. That number was not solid. I pulled that from another source. I should have linked it and stated that the number was not verified. - Franklin Pettit from email

It is estimated that FriendFeed's user base is between 170,000 and 200,000. - Louis Gray

I'd wager no more than 200K "registered users", and no more than 15K "active users". The most popular users have no higher than 50K followers, and considering the similarity of user profiles (Scoble, Leo, Mashable, Kevin Rose, etc) it's likely that they shared many (most) users. This is substantiated by casual browsing the most popular and most active users subscriber base. I could be wrong, but I see no evidence to point to higher numbers than that... - Jeremy Toeman

366,112 users being tracked via FFHolic.com - AJ Batac

ouch, so much for my math! - Jeremy Toeman

Robert Scoble

Talk about Facebook buying FriendFeed here (on FriendFeed, of course):

August 10 from iPhone - Comment - Like - Share

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I'm not sure what it means, but I hope the goodness of Friendfeed stays intact. - Tom Landini

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About time! - Rob Haas from iPhone

I guess Facebook just got real time search engine! - Robert Scoble from iPhone

What do facebook get out of it? - Ruchit Garg

Fact or fiction? - Jason Cronkhite from iPhone

I haven't seen likes and comments stream real-time this fast before. - ydfeed

It depends on who lays claim to our posted and aggregated material. - jcunwired

it could work. if Friendfeed completely replaces Facebook - Edgar Rodríguez

I think it's a brilliant move, although bringing this into the Facebook walled garden would ruin it. - Derek Shanahan

how much for? - Ruchit Garg

Is it true Robert? - Kevin Whalen

BAD 'n SAD :(( - sid 【ツ】

Great match to take on the Twitter machine. - Ryan Cummins

what is next..facebook killing twitter integration...SCORE....?? - Denis

++Edgar - Ryan

Presumably a technology acquisition then, Facebook is buying the team and the tech. - DGentry

Good for Facebook, BAD for us. NOOOOOOOOOOOO - Nir Ben Yona

I don't like it - Jason Hargrove

Bad news, if true. - LogEx

Just because Facebook bought Friendfeed, doesn't necessarily mean they will do anything with the service. At least maybe not right away. People need to chill out. - Alex Knight

hope it doesn't mess w/ twitter integration - Ken Seto

makes a lot of sense - f.b. now has a power house of real-time all-stars. fixes many of the feature 'wish' lists for f.b. - actually a major positive sign for innovation. congrats to the F.F. team. - michael sean wright

How can i shut down my ff account? - Fotis Alexandrou

I need a few hours and possibly large amounts of chocolate - Bwana ☠

If you are right, that "Facebook just got real time search engine", that is good - as FB really, really needed it for a long time. - Bora Zivkovic

:( - Sinem Co

yes, this is fast. Reminds me of a few hours ago when I was on Freenode - Ian Tindale

There goes your data. - Jason Hargrove

This will probably be bad. like all purchases, it will be an "afterthought" and never be fully allowed to develop and flourish. - Ryan Jones

Man this is really SUCKS!! :((( we all know Facebook strategies on the web :(( Whey will drive FriendFeed to the helll and I'm pretty sure of this :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( BAD SUCKS SAD :((( - FFTornado

Funny thing is, if you posted about this on Facebook, 99.9999% of it's users would go "huh, what's FriendFeed anyway?" - Richard Matthias

It almost seemed inevitable since Facebook has been copying so much of Friendfeed in recent months. It's good for the founders of FF and may benefit those of us who use both on a regular basis. Maybe they'll just leave FF alone? - Kenley Neufeld

someone tell me what they will do with it? Nothing maybe? Kill it, maybe? - Francine Hardaway

Wonder how they'll integrate, separate services with more interaction or FF swallowed by Facebook. - Steven Cains

Buy as is use it's IP and close it down or run as separate business? Either way, didn't see that coming. - Keith Bennett from BuddyFeed

It was bound to go down. Like we used to say on the block shootin' dice "Big Bank Take Little Bank" - professor daddyo

I do, however, wish tha tmore sites would implement this commenting engine. - Ryan Jones

Fotis: haha, wait too long, and you'll never be able to close your FF account ;) - Jason Hargrove

not believing it until another source confirms... - Benton

Congrats to the friendfeed team. Worried about the future though. - Andy Roth

Whats FriendFeed anyways? - Marco Horta

so that Facebook can maybe copyright the "Like" button? lol - Than R

How are we going to abbreviate it now? FBFF? FFFB? F^3B ? - Harry Wolff

I receive the breaking news via BNO News at this moment: Facebook acquires FriedFeed... - Torsten Eckert

haha you're right Richard - Ken Seto

Wow - Rodfather

I am stuck in Texas and have not confirmed myself. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

OMG. - Nathan Chase

maybe they can implement threads? - Jeremy Toeman

It looks like a defensive move. I think it's better fro FB to acquire FF than incorporating twitter functionalities in their status feature. - Pablo Paniagua

double wow. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

Friendbook? Facefeed? - Jeff Harbert

If it's true, I suspect FriendFeed as we know it will be gone, but Facebook will be greatly improved. - Costa Walcott

bah. i will go do something else. this news isn't helping - Edgar Rodríguez

trying to look on the bright side - maybe we'll get those iPhone/Blackberry apps for better access to FriendFeed - Stuart Miniman

But if it isn't true we would have heard by now. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

apprehensive about this - Liz Polay-Wettengel

Official: http://friendfeed.com/friendf... - Brandon Titus

I want to hear the $$$ number - moo yu

Congrats to ff team...but how does this work? I have 2 different accounts...and I like it that way...I don't want to share/spam my friends on facebook with what I have here... - brainno722 (Peter)

@robert no we wouldnt have - Jeremy Toeman

It's official: http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009... - Costa Walcott

Originally posted this to your other FF/FB post before you astarted this one: I don't see the point of Facebook acquiring FriendFeed. They are pretty much identical services (well, FF represents just the News Feed portion of Facebook) I don't see how they can incorporate FriendFeed into Facebook. If they really did buy it, then I see this as them going for programming talent more so... more... - Christopher A. Wichura

From FF blog http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009... - Tom Landini

I'm hoping this improves Facebook (just like everyone else). Facebook has gotten horrible stale for me of late. - Harry Wolff

Bad bad bad bad bad bad ::runs screaming down the hall:: - Kandeezie from fftogo

This stream itself is the evidence of WHY Facebook bought FF. - Steven Walling

What's looking shiny and new now? :-) - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

I've been needing a reason to get re-interested in Facebook, this could be it. - JonInteractive

Friend management will need to be enhanced/overhauled. Otherwise, the noise will make the combined product unusable. - Peter Ghosh

No! I am going to cry! I HATE FACEBOOK! I have a Facebook account, but FriendFeed is way better. Life is over! Apocalypse. - Zachary TG

Seriously, how can i shut it down? - Fotis Alexandrou

We'll have to wait for more details to see exactly what Facebook is planning to do with FF. - 321

Bodes badly for FriendFeed. --rj - Roger Jennings

Bad bad bad bad bad bad ::runs screaming down the hall:: - Kandeezie from fftogo

I think this is more of a "send the friendfeed traffic to facebook" than any kind of technical leverage. My biggest concern here: in order to exchange dialogue with people on facebook I need to be friends with them vs. being able to do it on friendfeed without having to friend them up. I find this valuable as there may be a topic or 5 that I want to engage with user "X" on, but I don't... more... - Erik Boles

I am disappointed by this news... I don't like Facebook at all... And I'm afraid they will just kill FriendFeed with their awful cluttered interface... - Her Lindsay-ness

It depends on how they integrate it. Did they buy it for the search engine, or did they buy it as a potential for extending the reach of Facebook into real time conversations? It's all about the life stream now right? So probably Facebook's attempt to stake a claim there. - Tony "Frosty" Welch

bad days are coming - Ahmet Soyata

Fotis, why do you want to shut down our FF account? - Alex Knight

This is bad news for Yahoo 360°. Oh wait, too late. - Ian Tindale

Bad bad bad bad bad bad ::runs screaming down the hall:: - mary

Crap! - Zachary TG

This is disgusting. - Zachary TG

First of all, I love the name "Facefeed." ROFL Second, this is business boys. Happens all the time. Why do you think innovation keeps happening. FB will integrate or kill off FF, and something else will happen. It's a natural cycle. - Francine Hardaway

For a second I thought it was a joke, but then I checked Friendfeed's Blog. http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009... Damn it. - Alejandro

Nir Ben Yona +1 - Muge Cerman

Turmoil - Ian Tindale

wondering if i should continue aggregating all my online activity in frienfeed now that facebook owns it!! - Gtp19

I can't begin to process this right now. Too much work to focus on. Later when I read this 10,000 mile long thread and have a glass of Cab in hand. - Michele Lorito-Chase

Geeks and fb not a good mach - thomas elton from iPhone

We fear change - Ian Tindale

Not feeling real good about this, hope fully Facebook will do right by the FF community, but I'm not holding my breath. Glad for the FF team though - Kim Landwehr

Twitter dissed again. - JonInteractive

So FB failed to buy Twitter, - so they buy FF which is just a UI for twitter.. - Nick Halstead

if you look closely at FF the large majority of FF posts are twitter posts, so there was not that much original content on FF in the first place... - Ingmar

Makes a lot of sense for Facebook. And we find this very healthy ^^ - twitscoop

People need to stop freaking out. The Facebook/Friendfeed buy out was just announced. Wait for details people. - Alex Knight

It could be bad, it could be good. As long as Facebook doesn't try to port their functionality over, I'm fine with it being a financial acquisition. - Adam Reyher

Crap, its official ! - Peter Dawson

This is really bad... a wonderful tool based on killer technology will go over into this mass market teeny poking culture. Bah! - Markus Tressl

then again it is great for linking FB, TW, flickr and so on - Ingmar

Here is the FF post on the acquisition: http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009... - Mrinal Desai

Great, why did I bother creating an account here? I could have held out. - desinole

if this is true, for the love of god, please don't Facebook go and mess up FriendFeed as they have their own system, Facebook is a mess these days, Friendfeed is one of the 2.0 sites that actually has concentrated on doing a few things well, complete opposite to Facebook. - Carl Grint

I suppose Friendfeed was considerably lacking in LOLcats. - Ian Tindale

Cuz we all know that facebook doesn't respect user's privacy and you've got basically everything on ff, youtube, twitter, digg whatever you do - Fotis Alexandrou

http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009... - tollie williams

Paul Buckheit will now be a house husband:-) - Francine Hardaway

Confirmed by FF http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009... - David Peacock

Smart for Facebook but I prefer Friendfeed the way it is.What, we'll be throwing rabbits next? - Janet Fouts

FriendFeed listens to the community. Facebook doesn't. Not to mention they're ENTIRELY different communities. - Adam Reyher

If true, congrats to the FF Founders! - Jason Cronkhite from iPhone

If they keep FriendFeed as a separate site, and still upgrade regularly, this is fine. If FriendFeed winds up in the dead pool, then it sucks. - Steve Sill

Maybe I should rediscover my Orkut account. - Ian Tindale

I was just thinking how Friendfeed had stayed out of recent takeovers, mergers and hence cyber attacks. Will Friendfeed now be taken over by celebs and spammers too? - Nils Geylen

Not sure why this news makes me nervous. Please tell me it's going to be ok Scoble... - Lucas

FF has been FB's incubator for awhile. - Peter Warnock

it's true damn!!!! - Edgar Rodríguez

How can I spam on this thread please ? Any idea ? - Toucouleur

Facebook has ZERO respect for users' wishes... Friendfeed is incompatible with that. Friendfeed will be going away. :( Their blog post says as much: "FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally **for the time being**. We're still figuring out our longer-term plans for the product" - tollie williams

Quickest/Biggest thread ever - Ian Tindale

Ideally, FB will leave FF to do the sweet innovating they are doing and just take the awesome features and put them into FB - Ryan

This is the first time I've used Friendfeed in a year. Good move on their part. - chantelle

How Much ? $$$ ;-) - Jacopo Gio

I'm heading back to Jaiku where it's nice and quiet - Ian Tindale

So, where do we migrate to now? - Byron McCollum

FriendFeed functionality on Facebook would be nice. The reverse, not so much. They're trying to address two entirely separate purposes and as such, need to remain completely separate. - Adam Reyher

back to the twitter - emresezgin

I want numbers. how much did facebook pay? - Zac Bowling

soon friendfeed will = Jaiku - johnny2009

Hum...let's see what happens. - Chip Hanna

Stay here until FB does something dumb with FF - Ryan

The rhetoric seems a bit too "Facebook will do what they want with us" and not "we will remain FF and continue forward". Seems as if FB went for the tech and we could lose FF as a seperate entity. Boo. - Derek Shanahan

confirmed by facebook press release. - Zac Bowling

Love 'em or hate 'em....Facebook made a phenomenal purchase. - Kevin Pruett

I see a ton of Wall Spam. Facebook users just don't get it when you port your twitter updates over. There is too much for them to wrap their heads around. This will be a hard transition. - Ryan Cummins

And I was REALLY getting fond of FriendFeed. From now on only downhill applicationwise? - Bart

Not happy about this. I use Facebook, but don't like it. It reminds me of AOL from 10 years ago. - David Sharpe

I agree that I don't want FB to mess up FF, but this will also give FF a higher profile and bring in many more users...which we may or may not like, judging by what happened on Twitter. I hope FF doesn't die off like Jaiku because I really think FF offers a more valuable and useful interface. - Cathryn Hrudicka

One thing to consider is this: If we have "trusted" the FriendFeed people not to screw things up, hopefully we can trust them to make sure they're still in control in the terms of the acquisition. - Adam Reyher

What's it going to be called? Failbook? - Ian Tindale

Its going to be called Facebook. - DGentry

I hope this is a joke.. Damn it, I dont like Facebook now there is nowhere to go... F*** - Jacque

I am trying to imagine how this will be a good thing for existing FF users. It feels so right and so wrong all at once!...Maybe at least my kids and wife will finally get what I've been ignoring them for over the past year. - Thom Kennon

FeedFace - Ian Tindale

Is that means we're going to see more extremist groups around, now that FB has acquired FF? - Nir Ben Yona

so where do all the cool kids go now? we need another startup, stat! - h1ro

I am afraid... what johnny2009 have said can really be the future... soon friendfeed will = Jaiku - Ahmed Mubbashir Khan

Damn,I've just"got friendfeed,and i love it.I definately don't like facebook.What does it mean for twitter? - Paul Downing

Any investors want to predict the buyout price? - Kevin Pruett

am gonna wait for google wave... coz in facebook, i cant access the complete stream for a month ago, the site goes down very often while browsing, and privacy issues galore!! congratulations for friendfeed but its jus me!!! - Gtp19

Maybe we´re seeing here one of FriendFeeds biggest discusions ever. I´m sceptic about the future of FF as a standlone service... - Torsten Eckert

What concerns me most is what happens to my friends here (and that I have to interact with my friends THERE). Will we have to be friends to interact in the same way we have the last couple of years? - jcunwired

This is very good for FriendFeed as long as Facebook doesn't corrupt them. I would have preferred to see Google buy FF but I know with their focus on Wave I don't think it would have been a good fit. I like the Facebook platform, but they have done too many shady things in the past for me to trust them. - Adam Teece

all of the conversation is happening on FriendFeed and Twitter - nothing on Facebook. Think we'd scare away Facebook if everyone starts having lots of conversations there - like on Scoble's fan page? - Stuart Miniman

They can or don't have to fix FF's FB app now. - ydfeed

Is Twitter going to buy Myspace? - marcus bösch

Ha Stuart - great point *Facebookers take cover* - Kimberle Kelly

That does it. I'm going back to usenet. - Ian Tindale

What's next- Macy's buying Gimble's? - Thom Kennon

Apple buys China - Ian Tindale

what do you think Robert? - courtney benson

All I can think of is now a lot of people can feel the pain the dedicated Pownce community felt, but at least you're not getting shut down, just yet. - Mike Lewis

I'm not a big facebook user, but my gut feeling is that like twitter buying summize, it will mark the end of major innovations. I hope I'm wrong. But they should totally go with the facefeed mashup name. - motownmutt

I dont see any potential for competition with twitter FB and Twitter serve different purposes as does FriendFeed - iluvblackwomen

Sorry but renaming Facebook to 'Facefeed' is utterly stupid. - Alex Knight

It'll be called ScobleFeed - Ian Tindale

does making google reader more social has anything to do with this buyout??! - Gtp19

yeah this was good for facebook. bad for anyone who liked friendfeed. - Liz

FriendFeed is very good, a better way to use Twitter & etc. Knowing this, I still rarely use FF. Not going to start using Facebook more. - Nicole

Actually, this could be death for Twitter when you think about it. The people I know who are in FB are not likely to add TWO more nets to their lifestream. FriendFeed makes more sense for them. Maybe Twitter just stays as the dumb pipe it's become for many of us here. - Thom Kennon

Echoing what others have said - My guess: Facebook will get better, Friendfeed will get worse, Twitter will matter a lot less. - Matthew Blaisdell

Good for FB UI and search, questionable for the FF community and its independent spirit ... - Bo Stern

last comment 2 hours ago on FF by Paul Buchheit, FF CEO, was just " :)" http://friendfeed.com/paul #friendbook - Jacopo Gio

The main reason why I came to FF was because when I tried to treat FB the same as FF, i was talking to a wall. At least people interact here. At FB, it's all about the cheesy games/apps. - Matthew Horton from iPhone

http://friendfeed.com/sunipey... - emresezgin

Just like most acquisitions, it could be good and it could be bad. I trust that FriendFeed will live on as FriendFeed, only sharing their tech with Facebook. Possibly more integration between the two sites. If you were FF/FB, what would you do? - Nick Humphries

Twitter, Friendfeed and Facebook are three entirely different animals. Facebook eats Friendfeed and poops out little bits of content that once belonged to us. Twitter continues to thrive as the broadcast conversation-wannabe that it always was. - jcunwired

Nick - think again. Its going to go away - read the tea leaves in this statement: "Your data will not go away any time in the near term future - we are committed to our users" - Bret Taylor in this post https://friendfeed.com/friendf... - jcunwired

Please no. I don't like FaceBook... - Svartling

We need a Friendfeed alternative: http://www.fftogo.com/e... - Marcos Marado from fftogo

Facebook must want real time soc-net search badly... - martin smith

The biggest thing here, at least within the Twitter context, is that this merger will combine 'verified' identity (in terms of Facebook user ID being slightly more 'real' than Twitter) with real time status updates. - Dan Patterson

I'm looking forward to what this brings to Facebook. I have enjoyed both networks but wondered when FriendFeed/Facebook would face-off and/or be absorbed by the other. I think FriendFeed's tech will improve the Facebook experience. - Jacob Sloan

FriendFeed + Twitter = disruptive. FriendFeed + Facebook = one more app for FB . Facebookers dont know the power of FriendFeed. I agree with : "" So FB failed to buy Twitter, - so they buy FF which is just a UI for twitter.. - Nick Halstead "" - Rocky

Most likely scenario is Facebook assimilates the FriendFeed guys, has them work on improving Facebook newsfeed/realtime/status, and lets FriendFeed die a slow unmaintained death. - Richard Akerman

Well, my friends on FB doesn't give a damn about sharing links, news, pics, vids etc. So I'm not sure how I will use FB+FF now. I don't think FriendFeed will exist, just implemented in Facebook. The name FriendFeed will die. And: on FB you don't want the whole world to see everything you're doing, just your friends. And it will stay this way. So the question is: Who will build the new FriendFeed? - Patrik Johansson

Do this mean, by the way, that we (the FriendFeed users) should start to connect with each other on FB? How will they like that? People who get's 2-3 maybe 4000 connections? - Patrik Johansson

Robert, it means all the time you invested building friends lists and updates there will go to Facebook :-) - Loic Le Meur

could someone start to develop a Frienfeed clon , please ? ASAP ! - Rocky

Seems bloody terrible from this users perspective. Good for Friendfeed the company though. - Quasar

Given Facebook's past, this could be really bad. Given FriendFeed's past, this could be really good. No real way to speculate without talking to the FF crew. - xero

+3273 Quasar! (one for each of my Likes, already on a death march) - jcunwired

Robert, do you know if Facebook is going to put on limits here at FF??? Oh crikey... so much for our citizen journalism here.... Admittedly I am bummed. Uber bummed. - Arleen Anderson

EndFeed. - Alex Schleber

your blog is the most important thing you can own on the web. these sites can come and go. it's a great social point but true friends you've made here you talk outside of ff, right? - Terry O'Fee from BuddyFeed

It's a good time to sell to Facebook, cause Google Wave is imminent and is going to destroy all of Facebook, Twitter and FriendFeed. I think FriendFeed employees might even go back to Google eventually as soon as their contracts with Facebook are up. - Charbax

Robert - wow. just wow I am stunned. Sorta sad actually. I love FF innovation and don't want to see that stop !!!!! - Susan Beebe

(RE: Your tweet earlier) When you say the minor league team going to the majors, I don't always feel that this is a positive thing. As in this case, it's like Ferrari being acquired by Ford. I don't think I like this acquisition. - Richard Merritt

the free ride couldn't last forever. I know it sucks that things will change, but they've got a lot more sense than Twitter has about these things.. - Terry O'Fee from BuddyFeed

You must all assimilate to the new FaceFeed - Jonathan.Rivera

From what I'm gathering, this acquisition is more about FB acquiring the talented engineers of FF than it is about the FF software itself. A smart play by FB. Unfortunate for us that value FF. I personally feel that FB is just slowly becoming the new Myspace. Which I don't think I need to explain how lame that is. - Richard Merritt

According to WSJ — FB paid $50 million — a mix of cash and stocks. http://bit.ly/SVTA5 - Richard Merritt

If you ignore all the crappy apps and just comment and post photos, your main feed on Facebook is fundamentally a pretty similar experience to FriendFeed - people post stuff, people comment on it. That is, at-least, the way my network tends to use Facebook. The main difference is that Facebook defaults to being very closed and private while FriendFeed defaults to being very open and... more... - Edward Coffey

edward - pretty much. it's FF for the layman. remember back in the day they used to have forums too? - Terry O'Fee

I think it helps Facebook a lot since now it will have real time news feed. Their old one was pretty lame. It also helps FF since klutzs might have heard of it but never would have joined without such a big announcement. - PJ Edwards

friendfeed is very cliquey. you have your group of people who usually gather round for conversations. now imagine some of this friendfeed stuff in facebook. done right it will help them a lot. - Terry O'Fee from BuddyFeed

I don't think I am liking this but FB does need to add the "edit" feature like on here. - Marika Dye

FriendFeed is Facebooks Summize. It’s All About Search. http://bit.ly/11ZW6l - paul mooney

Thinking Out Loud: Echo issues during a high profile tech show http://www.talkshoe.com/talksho... - Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic

FF acquisition is expected. But, as a user, I would be bumned, if FF would become a feature of FB. As, I tend to use Twitter as my social network and not FB. - Vasu Srinivasan

It doesn't make much sense talking about 'Facefeed" and 'Friendbook'... Facebook simply bought a cool 12-people company called Friendfeed for its great search technology paying 15M plus some shares, which is really very cheap in this context, given the value of FF's technology (as it is perceived by us). They are also hiring the talented FF team, which makes the deal even more interesting for FB. Probably there are also some deeper hidden motives and implications that I am not able to get. - Liviu Barbat

I would love it if Facebook integrated the FriendFeed features. I would love it if Facebook had FriendFeed's flexibility with Facebook's privacy control. It sucks that the world may lose FriendFeed, but it is great the Facebook will likely get better. - Andrew

Andrew, Facebook will get better - over time. There won't be any Vulcan website meld of FB and FF overnight. - Bill Sodeman

thank god someone understands that, andrew. it's like "i liked this band better before they went to a major label!" ;) - Terry O'Fee

Bill - But we can dream, can't we? :) I mean, what I love about Facebook is that I'm interacting with my friends as my friends, not as usernames and avatars. But I hate their bookmarklet, the weird delays when I post anything, the comment system, and I hate the Photo gallery tech. I love the FriendFeed community, but would love bringing the FriendFeed technology over to Facebook even more. If only Facebook could buy Flickr next... - Andrew

as long as fb start thinking in creative commons terms... one day .. - Terry O'Fee

they are both great services I think will be a good thing - Logan Lindquist

oh NO! I don't spend much time at FB (everybody there's too busy playing stupid games, at least in my little network), and besides it's more private unlike FF. And now they've gone and bought FF? And I just joined! I guess I won't be around here for long, since FF won't... - Dennis Jernberg

I don't like it... - Harry Mahardhika

No mention of Yahoo. Totally irrelevant these days. Sad. - Scott Schnaars

This deal makes sense! Now fb developers do not need to figure out how ff does it because they can just ask! - Garin Kilpatrick

One of my facebook accounts got closed up. Into this account I fed my friendfeed. And into friendfeed I fed for example my socialmedian shares, diggs, stumbles etc. - Wilhelm Bauer

Time for the next generation app. *Taps foot impatiently for Google Wave* - Karen Masullo

I don't think it's about getting Friendfeed it's self; but having the developers and the information about real-time search. - Chris Martin

Robert Scoble

Is a Twitter retweet or a Facebook/FriendFeed "like" better. My answer my surprise you:

August 3 - Comment - Like - Share

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The retweet is better. Why? - Robert Scoble

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1. The retweet shows up as a top level item here in FriendFeed. Which gets you more branding. - Robert Scoble

Yes, but your tweet got me to FriendFeed for the first time in months. So now I'm totally confused. - Jennifer Leggio

Facebooks like system is pointless. - Simon Wicks

2. A retweet usually gets retweeted, a lot. I retweeted a guy this morning saying that Eric Schmidt had resigned from Apple's board. That got retweeted a lot. - Robert Scoble

Likes, just "bump" content, while a retweet duplicates the content and potentially gets shared several times. - Rob Diana

I like retweet better. But if facebook had a dislike button, I would be equally happy! - Dakota O'Neill

like is only promoting to shared friends where are retweet is promoting to everyone. No? - Edwin Khodabakchian

3. A retweet gets you credit, while "likes" just get you buried and no one is sure why they got lots of engagement. - Robert Scoble

Facebook is a joke. Like on friendfeed is pretty simple too. A retweet say a lot about your content but I think generating an actual discussion in friendfeed is the most powerful - Johnny

The retweet also directly acknowledges the original author, building relationship. FF Likes on Twitter have no such attribution. - Peter Kelley

Johnny: A retweet will get more conversation going and get you branded more than clicking like will. - Robert Scoble

That said, I love likes. You can check my likes out at http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... -- that's something that's hard to do with a retweet. I've done 21,000 likes so far. I don't know of a way to count how many retweets I've done. - Robert Scoble

Robert: I agree. I was saying that generating a conversation (like this one) is more powerful than likes and retweets. - Johnny

Retweet overall but both have benefits - Travis Tasset from iPhone

I think that you're right, Robert. The Twitter retweet is better because there's some action behind it. In my opinion, the Facebook "like" feature really doesn't do much. It's more of a placebo than anything. Facebook's like is just a "slap on the wrist" letting the author know that it's "approved" by other people who come to the site. There's no reward for getting the most "likes" - it's like Digg but more retarded and something you wish you could euthanize already. - Kenneth

A like is just FB's way of trying to copy twitter and facebook, but I guess google reader has the same thing now - Billy Fung

Also, here, likes can be used to search. You can tell FriendFeed's search engine "show me all items about Google that Scoble has liked." - Robert Scoble

I think likes are great, but FriendFeed should also work on its presentation of reshares. I'd extend the datamodel to support an optional "originating item" for each item. The text (via: [url]) looks a bit messy. - Meryn Stol

your #1 reason for why RT is better than something is because it ends up in friendfeed??? not much of an incentive for the ~44 million twitter users really, is it? - Jeremy Toeman

With a retweet, it can be shared with multiple friends across MULTIPLE networks - my tweets can be posted onto Twitter, FriendFeed and even Facebook. Where does the Facebook "like" come into play? No where! Tweet away! - Kenneth

Exactly my thoughts too Meryn. Twitter should implement that as well. The original source gets lost after a couple of RTs. - Sumanth Kolar

Kenneth: you can send your likes on FF to Twitter, I do - Peter Kelley

Too much noise on Facebook, I still keep RTs in high regard. - Amy Chorew

Jeremy: a large percentage of my Facebook friends are sending their Tweets over there. Facebook has a similar liking system. I guarantee you that there's more than 44 million on Facebook (last number I heard was 250 million). And I'm getting WAY MORE engagement here on FriendFeed than I am on Twitter. - Robert Scoble

Twitter's reach is the key -- added to FriendFeed's real-time conversation, it's a powerful combo. Facebook is still too much of a walled garden. - Don Tamihere

Peter: good point. I think I was dragging on Facebook's "like" and not FF. Now if you want to compare FriendFeed's likes with Facebook's...that's another can of worms I don't wanna go into. - Kenneth

The database guy in me (my left elbow) is screaming that re-tweets duplicate data in a way that isn't easy to track. The social effects are nice, but can't this be replicated in a way that's a lot cleaner and more useful? - Ryan Massie

but ya said friendfeed, not facebook. :) - Jeremy Toeman

Jeremy: read the headline again. I specifically mentioned Facebook. And, anyway, we're all here on FriendFeed. How did THAT happen? - Robert Scoble

well i came here because i wanted to see what you were up to and since you don't blog anymore... ;) - Jeremy Toeman

Jeremy: heh, why blog when I can have engagement with you here? - Robert Scoble

RT as it feels like more of a commitment to the content rather than a passive vote - Daniel W. Rasmus

because you need to keep up your overall internet presence. doing it here is not in your best interests. IMHO that is. :) - Jeremy Toeman

On a side note: currently Google Reader "likes" are worthless as you can´t even subscribe to someone else´s like-stream. It´s even hard to find a way to see your own like-stream in Google Reader (although there /are/ at least 4 ways...) - peter huesken

Yeah, duh, likes aren't viral! - James Watters

Re-Tweets have this very natural word-of-mouth feel, but I'm concerned that you loose metadata by doing it the way twitter does. Instead of taking the firehose data to re-assemble this metadata after the fact, shouldn't the platform build the metadata as part of the process? I'm not saying that the word-of-mouth feel should go away by any means, but how accurate are the re-tweet counts that I have been seeing on sites recently? - Ryan Massie

James: They're more viral on FriendFeed due to the friend-of-a-friend views than they are on Facebook. But you're right, it's nothing like twitter. - Ryan Massie

Also Re-Tweeting has another problem: How do you retweet a tweet of more than 133 chars without paraphrasing at least part of it? - peter huesken

FriendFeed Likes are much more elegant than a retweet - the Grey Poupon of SM. :) - Nick in Manila

Why does one have to be "better" than the other? They are two different apps for sharing thoughts about content. The RT works well on Twitter, you just RT anything you like (and feel other might find interesting). When you like someone's content on FB, you give it a vote and everyone who is a friend can see it. If you want to add a comment you comment. If you want to share it, you use the share function. Now you can share tweets RTs on Facebook anyway, I'm not sure why it even matters which is better. - nicky jameson

A retweet takes more time to do and shows more interest. - Randy Allen Bishop

This is wrong. A retweet is copying someone's work and trying to drive traffic towards yourself using it. A like and/or a comment is much better as you are acknowledging the work of the author. Retweeting is parasitic. Liking is symbiotic. - Alex Scoble

Alex: that's interesting. As a content owner I'd rather you retweet, though. Why? Gets my ideas greater distribution. - Robert Scoble

What Randy said. A "like" means different things to different people. To me it might mean, "the title of this sounds good, the topic interests me, but I don't have time to read it." I would "Like" something like that, but I would *never* retweet something without visiting the link first and at least scanning it, preferably reading the whole thing. Also, Alex, I don't think a retweet is an attempt to drive traffic towards yourself. How do you figure? - Laura Norvig

Because when people see the retweet they are seeing what you wrote. It's the same as if I copied a blog post from Robert and put it on my blog with attribution to him. I'm doing this to get people to read my blog, I'm not doing it to help him. If I really wanted to help him, I would link to his blog post and write something about why I agree or disagree with that. A retweet is parasitic... more... - Alex Scoble

Alex: first of all, nothing you write in 140 characters is going to have much value, and certainly won't be enough value to charge for it. Second of all, if you RT: properly you also link to the source person or URL. Third of all, it's nothing even close to copying an entire blog post, but that really is sweet that you think Tweeting is blogging. They both have the same attributes, I... more... - Robert Scoble

RT's on Twitter are more manual and take a little more engagement then Like unless you are using SW to manage your tweets - RT duplicates... - Robert Freeze

Alex, your logic is twisted, no? RT is intended to share with your followers something someone else said or found, who they might not already be following. If traffic is driving anywhere it's to them; those reading your RT are already following you. Your point also assumes everyone's playing the numbers game. - Jim Barry

@Scobleizer It looks like you RT % is 1.85, of total tweets. Data from: http://tweetstats.com/graphs... - David Damore

First off, I don't write in 140 characters, because I do all my posting from friendfeed. 140 character limit is whack, but that's another argument. Second, nothing about Twitter really builds participation. It's all about islands versus on friendfeed, which is why reposting (I hate the "tweet" non-word) is even necessary. The fact that it's necessary is a symptom of the problems of the... more... - Alex Scoble

They serve different purposes. FB/FF like is just a quick shared bookmark. Twitter has a Favorite option that's similar, but it's geared toward recall more so than sharing/recommending. Retweet is not even a built-in Twitter feature, but many Twitter apps have the feature and people use it to share/recommend other people's tweets. - Lawrence Liu from twhirl

Alex: if you visit my blog you'll notice that my like feed isn't showing up in the FriendFeed widget there, while my retweets are. That's a huge problem and one I don't know how to solve. - Robert Scoble

How about the share option in FF, then change the FWD: to RT? - Lee

I will like things here when I don't want to comment, but I hadn't thought of it as a proxy for RT. Now you have me thinking about forwarding my likes here twitter. - dthree

You could combine the feeds using Yahoo Pipes. It's a bit messy, but here's my combined posts, comments, and likes: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes... - Ryan Massie

Isn't this just like a Scobelizer chat room? - Peter Mullen

I think I'm going to take the core of your question Robert and post it to my Facebook non-social media friends and see if they can even parse the question. I'd expect some funny "uh...what?" responses. - Elliott Ng

the like SHOULD be much better. this is a voting system. FF needs to help you filter content this way however. retweets just confuse things even more and create even more noise. FF should have default searches that are all your friends with 2+ likes...this is your personal best of the day. if FF does not make use of these advantages, then it will continue to muddle about. - lew

Here's why Robert and I disagree. He sees these spaces as primarily a marketing tool for building a brand and getting his media out to eyeballs. Reposts work great for that because it's like a ball thrown in to a room of mousetraps. I mostly want to have conversations and am here for fun. Reposts suck for that because they fragment conversations. I don't like that...AT all. :) That's why both services can coexist. - Alex Scoble

++ Alex... services like this don't succeed because they are good marketing platforms, they succeed because regular people like to use them. - LogEx

as soon as we have threaded conversations on twitter, i suspect you will hate conversation being distributed on duplicates (retweets). My vote is for likes on ff. - Sajida H Khan

when i like something it gets tweeted... so it's like a retweet for friendfeed content... it doesn't come back over here as my own, but that's okay with me - Chris Heath

The ReTweet is -sometimes- better as it keeps track of the last RTers. - Thierry R. Andriamirado

Once again, FriendFeed and Twitter are complementary: it's better when a FF 'like' is ReTweeted again and again. Facebook's like.. huh.. it's.. different (?) - Thierry R. Andriamirado

Retweeting on twitter is equlivent to "share" on friendfeed. Retweet and like are uncomparable, in the same way that twitter's favorite and ff's like are uncomparable. - Andy Bakun from Android

the spammers are here - how do we report the guy above? - Aaman (Clone of FF)

Taken care of - boom! Like That! - Aaman (Clone of FF)

Robert, I think you're completely wrong. FriendFeed ranking is poo. A retweet is mostly poo --- depends on the context of your Twitter experience, and your POV. Is your POV "Is it better to BE retweeted? Or liked as a status update on FaceBook" ? or "Is it better to retweet someone ELSE'S Tweet or to Like someone else's FaceBook update?" I'd argue in both cases, the retweet sucks.... more... - Gib

Gib: where do you get the poo from? Sigh. - Robert Scoble

Robert: OMG! you're like the fasted gun in the west! By poo I mean, as a person without your scaling issues, if someone Retweets any random Tweet of mine, I'm like, "huh? THAT'S what you want to repeat to your following?" For mortals, viral stuff isn't everyday occurrence. On the other hand, as a mortal, on FaceBook, when a few people like a photo or update or comment, my other friends... more... - Gib

I agree with Andy that a Twitter retweet is more like a FF share than a like. "Retweet", in my opinion, is simply Twitter-speak for "share". - Dennis Jernberg

On the moment itself an RT is better, but a 'like' has a longer life, since it can be used in FF search queries. - nooble

RT was a community generated method, and can easily be done in friendfeed or facebook - Mark Essel from iPhone

I think we can expect Google Reader and Facebook, among others, to emulate FriendFeed's useful "Like" system in more ways, including likes in feeds, as a search filter, etc. SOON. - Ryan Sholin

+Alex. I agree much more with his sentiments than Robert's; likes are a much better way of showing appreciation for a post. 1. I don't care about building my brand. 2. Why wouldn't likes propagate just as well as RTs? They both show up in my FF stream. 3. See 1. Don't worry, Robert will come around eventually, just like he did with following people on Twitter. - Niklas Morberg

I guess I'm against the grain on the RT versus Like feature. I don't hate RT but I think they can become Spam noise in some ways. If you follow several people who follow the same people, you get an endless flow of the same tweet for a while with no extra value. Whereas a "Like" (in FriendFeed) bumps the conversation back into many peoples focus. In both FF and FB, the "like" also tags it to your attention when future comments are made. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

If you use Feedly in Conjunction with Retweets and Tweets you can kind of follow your Karma and get feedback on how they are dynamic and changing - Robert Higgins

RTs are better so I can continue to play with extracting valuable trends from them on my little experiment http://www.retweetradar.com! - Ben Hedrington

We all know Twitter is the front-end & FriendFeed is the back-end ;) Hype builds quicker on Twitter, FriendFeed hosts the discussion. - CannonGod

You can add ur own opinion on a RT if space permits. with ff its commenting and liking which are 2 different things. U can comment and not 'like' the post. - Freddie Benjamin

Very good point Freddie but that usually gives you no room when you include the "RT @username" or the new person alters the original tweet (I hate this). RT is to Like as @ reply is to commenting. Both serve close to the same purpose but work very different. FF's direction keeps everything tighter coupled while Twitter is very loosely coupled in the approach. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

This one is worth a retweet in itself: That said, I love likes. You can check my likes out at http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... -- that's something that's hard to do with a retweet. I've done 21,000 likes so far. I don't know of a way to count how many retweets I've done. - Robert Scoble - Riaz Kanani

Facebook is closed, essentially, as I will always only ever see a "like" from either someone who is already my friend or a friend of a friend. Twitter is open, in that when someone I'm following retweets (from either someone they're following --- a 1st gen RT --- or a 2nd/3rd gen RT of someone they're following is also following or exposed to...whew!...) well, then I am exposed to a... more... - Thom Kennon

Shari Weiss

Louis Gray: All 50 of us are excited to meet you at SFSU this Wednesday, some time between 1:15-5. What works for you?

August 3 - Comment - Like - Share

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My name is McKenzie and I am in Shari Weiss's class, cant wait for your presentation!!!!!!! - McKenzie Hanson

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Shari - I just left a message on your cell phone. Wednesday looks good. Let me know what would be the order of things, if you want me to conclude the class, go in the middle and leave time at the end, etc. I would be more than happy to show up at 2, 2:30, 3, 3:30 and take the time you need. Reach me at 408 646 2759 - Louis Gray

My name is Jay and I look forward to your presentation in Shari's class. Loved the RSS blog post. - Jay Chanthalangsy

Thanks, Jay and McKenzie. :) If you see Shari, tell her to call me back. - Louis Gray

LG - you going to be in SF long enough to grab a coffee? if so, shoot an email! -jt - Jeremy Toeman

louis :better warn the wife you may end up with a few lipstick smudges on yer cheek ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

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i think i'm finally convinced to use Napster (mostly with my @sonos ). like rhapsody, but $5/mo. i see no downside here...

July 29 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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$5/mo for 10 years is $600 - and what happens when you die? can you transfer it to your kids? - Chris Heath

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so are you saying that's too high a price? and i'll just put it in my legacylocker (duh!). :) - Jeremy Toeman

You lose tour music once you stop subscribing - orionstarr from iPhone

understood, but i do get 5 mp3's a month to download, and for $5 to listen to virtually anything all that time, i can't see any "better" ROI... other than bittorrent of course - Jeremy Toeman

wow...so you pay 99c a song for 5 songs AND get to listen to virtually anything else you want? Sounds like a good deal to me. - Sidney

Do it then - orionstarr from iPhone

Robert Scoble

Yes @v08i I haven't done a long-form blog in awhile. Gotta fix that. But Twittering is blogging.

July 27 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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And FriendFeeding is Twittering on steroids. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

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Micro-blogging, yeah. - Bryan Zirkel

Holden my 1994 blog looks a lot like Twitter. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Yes because you post in public and attempt to garner comments. - Brian Hendrickson

A microblog is a humane blog :-) - Brian Hendrickson

twittering is blogging is like saying writing twitters is writing a novel. it isn't. twittering might be "life-casting" or "sharing" in written format, but it is not otherwise like blogging in any way. - Jeremy Toeman

But saying blogging is like writing a novel is akin to saying sprinting is like running a marathon. You could argue that you could turn your blog into a book, sure. But then again, someone has already tweeted their entire novel. A blog in its most basic form is a web log, right? A log of events, thoughts, etc. Tweets can be that too, just in a trimmed down format. - Bryan Zirkel

Yeah, blogging is more akin to writing an essay or a paragraph...it is not writing a novel. And quite frankly when taken in aggregate, you could write a novel on friendfeed or a blog, one paragraph at a time if you so wanted to. - Alex Scoble

Blogging wasn't always long form. In the early days it was weblogging, or just reporting what you were doing. Very Twitterish. It's only recently that it became known as long form writing on the web. - Robert Scoble

Twitter is definitely micro-blogging. Blogging is quite a bit different writing experience. - Mark Davidson from BuddyFeed

Robert Scoble

I also just uploaded a second video, and link to a TON of news about the new Sonos CR-200 touch wireless controller and link to those here:

July 27 - Comment - Like - Share

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http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... er, here. Damn FriendFeed's sharing feature sometimes bites me. - Robert Scoble

hmm, sonos is the most usable/reliable multizone music system around, but the CR200 looks a little lacking... i don't mind knocking off successful UIs, but where is the improvement over the iphone app? i'm looking for drag and drop, coverflow-style browsing, global search.... - ishak

@ishak it's not about comparisons vs iphone app, it's about comparisons vs the older controller. not everyone has an iphone... - Jeremy Toeman

Jeremy Toeman

still testing

July 24 - Comment - Like - Share

Whatcha testing? - Justin Korn

image uploading - Jeremy Toeman

Jeremy Toeman

testing

July 24 - Comment - Like - Share

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You look kinda different. - anna sauce

this was before i trimmed my beard - Jeremy Toeman

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other than on my grill... RT @emilyfields: anyone know where to find #grass-fed beef in SF? i'm looking for steaks that come from happy cows

July 24 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

Um, steaks come from dead cows. They're usually not very happy about that. - Glen Campbell, B.A.

i think we're talking about their state prior to being dead... and unless you have some special knowledge that i don't have, i don't think they are either happy or sad about it... since they're dead. but i do believe they deserve to be treated well while they are alive, hence the grass-fed... - Jeremy Toeman

Love grass-fed beef. So good and better for you. - Derrick

Robert Scoble

Most say they don't care about Yahoo. OK Yahooligans, convince us. Why should we care? Tell us here in real time:

July 20 from iPhone - Comment - Like - Share

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Anyone? - Robert Scoble from iPhone

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Y! mail and Flickr continue to serve me well. Your mileage may vary. - Bernie Goldbach

Rabble rouser! - James D Kirk

I use Flickr, but that's about it. - Jason Mayoff

Don't yahoo own,flickr.Must say I use them for my primary e-mail,and find them very good. - Paul Downing

Yahoo Sports has some of the best writers - KyNam Doan

Y! matters because it is one of the most powerful firehose available on the net. A link on that homepage means hundreds of thousands of clicks... - Edwin Khodabakchian

I get more visitors to my blog from Y! than from Bing. - Bernie Goldbach

James: I just wonder if anyone from Yahoo cares to try to convince us this is cool. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Bernie I don't get many from either - Robert Scoble from iPhone

No, RS. I get where you're coming from and why. I get you. I'm with you in the envelope pushing, brother! - James D Kirk

Note: I did NOT ask if Flickr matters. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

With Facebook Albums i dont care a lot about Flickr. Not that it is not good but i like the integration it gives. - IyerTalks

it's not really whether or not they "care", it's whether or not they can be bullied into answering it on FriendFeed, right? - Jeremy Toeman

Robert - While the tech community knows what has been going on at Yahoo!, the reality is their front page is one of their most important assets along with Flickr (and this could be a big plus ..... or not). IE: There's still a whole bunch @yahoo.com's out there ... (even some @aol.com's :). - Charlie Anzman

I only care for Flickr and using my 1999 my.yahoo account as OpenID for sites I currently visit - Robert J Taylor from iPhone

Well: let's put it that way: if Yahoo starts to open up that firehose, which they have started to do with Buzz and are extending now, more websites will need rackspace to make sure that that link on the homepage does not mean their death... :-) - Edwin Khodabakchian

deleting my flickr comments and moving on... - Dean Terry

Oh I remember the days of rummaging around the lists of links on Yahoo. Those were the days. The days before search that is. - JP Holecka - Jaypiddy

Flickr continues to be the shining service within Yahoo. (at least that's according to my usage) - Clarence Chiang

Y! Mail... Yahoo Games, and iPhone wheater services. - Özgür D. Cyric

@IyerTalks Facebook really destroy the quality of your images with the bad compression. The only value is the privacy and the sharing with family and friends. - JP Holecka - Jaypiddy

If yahoo fails the terrorist win! #justsaying LOL :) - Dave Mora

Yahoo is Flickr, Delicious and selling out Chinese journalists to the authorities so they can be jailed. - Tom Raftery

@JP Holecka - Jaypiddy We always have Picassa if you want to upload photos with minimal loss. Understood there is a limit but still it is better and integrates nicely into all my other google services. - IyerTalks

Edwin: now you are talking! - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Looking at your other post...I think that you are right that they could try to innovate more and social should be a bigger part...but they have to start somewhere...and my understanding is that they have serious code integration issues when it gets to the homepage (because of performance requirements)...so hopefully this is a first step of a longer journee - Edwin Khodabakchian

Tom, companies in other countries must follow their laws regardless of our personal view. - Dave Mora

Yahoo still a player in the email market: http://www.campaignmonitor.com/stats... - JP Holecka - Jaypiddy

I still use their email although I'm starting to use gmail more and more. - AJ

Well actually they are 16.19% to MS collective 50+% - JP Holecka - Jaypiddy

JP: yeah the market share argument again. I don't care about that one bit. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

I can't think of one yahoo app (excluding flickr) that google doesn't do better. - Luke Kilpatrick

Gmail only has 5.27% market share of email. http://www.campaignmonitor.com/stats... - JP Holecka - Jaypiddy

personally yahoo needs to evolve. Personally I think search is dead. They need to figure out how to rank by "Authority". Why I think search is dead? Because search for something now. When was the last time your search did not take you to a mashable, digg, techcrunch article, wikipedia or a paid listing? My searches are now provided to me by the users on social networks like Friend Feed or Twitter. - okay I am don with my rant. Good night. - Dave Mora

Luke some say Picasa is pretty good. Flickr is my choice too. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Why we should care: Easy the market needs the competition Yahoo needs to keep up. - Paul Downing

Sure Dave, so if Yahoo! were in Burma they'd sell out dissidents there too? But of course, Yahoo! are not in Burma, are they? Why not? Not a big enough market. If there is a big enough market (like in China), ethics are for sale. - Tom Raftery

I don't think you'll find yahoo joining the chat here, so let me just echo what current employees of the santa monica office tell me. 1) Yahoo is too slow, its impossible to do anything new there 2) upper management doesnt understand or want to be part of the larger social web 3) management is also for the most part clueless to current online trends 4) employee happiness is at an all time low - sean percival

@Luke: Yahoo Finance is better than Google Finance and Yahoo Email is easier to use than Gmail for average users. - Edwin Khodabakchian

My content, news and email lives outside Yahoo. It doesn't really stand any ground on my turf. Even my Flickr mileage is bad. But it may not matter to me, but maybe to many out there. Many bloggers value their Yahoo SEO rankings that drive traffic to their blog/website - Amir from iPod

Would MSFT be making an offer on Yahoo today? If it did, would anyone care? - Robert J Taylor from iPhone

yahoo is too "noisy" and when it does do something very well, such as "yahoo pipes", it doesn't know how to make it so that "simple things are simple, and complicated things are possible" - it just does the "complicated things are possible", thereby increasing the learning curve... and who's got time for that for most things on the web now! - simran

The question would be if yahoo went away tomorrow, is there 1 service that they do that is unique? is there any service that isn't done some where else as good if not better? - Luke Kilpatrick

I think that Yahoo and MySpace are at a very similar tough spot and they both need their ipod/hulu moment - Edwin Khodabakchian

Sean: I can tell. At least Microsofties would show up to try to convince us. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

that being said they own some monster verticals and will likely continue to own them for some time. they are simply too well entrenched with certain demographics of internet users. - sean percival

Yahoo is in too many directions and needs focus or at least a core focus. Search was it but seams to be diluted now. - JP Holecka - Jaypiddy

Yahoo Finance is excellent, Yahoo Pipes is way useful and innovative - Bob Morris (polizeros) from iPhone

Taylor Microsoft should still buy Yahoo. Late adopters are very monetizable. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Yahoo is becoming the Tyco of the Internet. No one can tell you what they really do anymore. - JP Holecka - Jaypiddy

I think MS and Yahoo would be a good combo as they do get the internet, and really msn never really has. Full Disclosure: I have been a fan of yahoo for sometime and I interviewed for a few positions there recently. The one area I do think they might have a shot in is Mobile if they do it right. They are one of the few companies that supports the older "dumb" handsets. - Luke Kilpatrick

@JP Holecka: I think that Yahoo is an content/entertainment portal with a great email/communication component. We just do not happen to get it because as early adopters, we get most of our content through more social channels now. - Edwin Khodabakchian

Ah - that's a good point... Sorry I mixed topics, Scoble...I meant to focus on the has-been feel of both and not the economics of the acquisition. My fault! - Robert J Taylor from iPhone

@Edwin Khodabakchian I agree but to the masses it's hard to clearly communicate what Yahoo is anymore. What is there brand promise? - JP Holecka - Jaypiddy

pipes, flickr, delicious, and that search engine people who don't know how to search use (whose name I forget) - Daniel Morgan

JP: exactly they are too all over the map. They used to be hand selected search back in the day, sort of like what mahalo is trying to do again. - Luke Kilpatrick

The promise is that they make it easier for you to access to good content. I do not think that their promise has changed over time. It just happens that their early adopters moved from homepage -> my yahoo -> rss reader -> twitter client. And now people look back and what they see is mainstream and boring - Edwin Khodabakchian

Most people don't associate flickr with yahoo. It has it's own brand personality and very little yahoo in it. From what I have read recently flickr is still not in the black. - JP Holecka - Jaypiddy

I look at Yahoo Movies before I see a movie. I like Pipes, Flickr, Messenger... Observing my mom, she's been using Yahoo Mail for almost a decade and I doubt she'll ever switch. She's probably like most loyal Yahoo users and will never change, not even for Google Wave. - Gus

Flickr is the _first_ online service I've paid for. And it's been the only one in a long time (until I met the RTM Cow). - Jean-Charles VERDIE

They have outstanding backlink tools http://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com/ - martin121

I see a lot of people using it around the world.. - Mason Legg

Zimbra zimbra, zimbra zimbra zimbra. Man I hope it doesn't get brought down w/ the ship! I love me some zimbra! ;) - not to mention zimbra works great on a rackspace cloud server! - JP Maxwell

Having more web hits per month than Google has got to be worth something - Stephen Pickering

flickr and delicious are the two I use the most - Logan Lindquist

Isn't Yahoo Pipes pretty powerful? I have never really tried it out, but that's not the point ;) - Frankie Warren

Yahoo has plenty of valuable web properties. They have obviously had a great fall since their height, but considering all they own, they could even make a comeback (dare I say) if they play their cards right. It is such a shame their current homepage looks like a tabloid. - John Wright

There are few better sources of comedy than Yahoo Answers. It must survive! - adam garrett

Yahoo Answers is another thing, its :( - polou/indigo_bow

For me, Yahoo is only good for instant messenger because it is the only one I can get in text messaging.. AIM keeps telling me my password is wrong and I have no idea hor to use msn in sms. - David Gross

Yahoo? What's that? Is it anything like Lycos? - Big K

Yahoo is soo much of an "Also Ran". From the ordianary user perspective - the Yahoo IM was really cool - until all of us got texting on our phones. The e-mail was nice, but them we all got unlimited Gmail with our own names (Yahoo increased the size later), they bought out GEOcities which is where I learned to code and made my first web page - but oh ya, they closed that down . . . I... more... - Sonya

Yahoo does some pretty cool behind the scenes integration stuff - Pipes is their most well known option but the YQL stuff they have worked on is a really cool abstraction of a ton of web services; it's a killer powertool for mashup creation. - Bill Rawlinson

Nobody has said YUI and Douglas Crockford yet. Yahoo is one of the hubs of web frontend engineering innovation, and YUI is #2 Javascript framework, right after jQuery. :) - Jaanus Kase

Well I certainly use more Yahoo stuff than say Google. Yahoo mail, flickr, and delicious to name three. - Quasar

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