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Simon Cowell Says Goodbye: American Idol 9 Will Be His Last Season - http://www.votefortheworst.com/2009122...
beginning of the end for this show, I think...
- Bill Kinney
How to Get Out When a Snow Storm Strands You - http://crankyflier.com/2009...
good advice. this guy's blog is worth reading if you're a frequent traveler.
- Bill Kinney
Apple already locking down dates for iPhone announcement at WWDC 2010? - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
If it really comes to Verizon, this would coincide quite nicely with the end of my Sprint contract. I won't even consider getting one unless they offer something other than AT&T.
- Bill Kinney
I would hope that since the iPhone has become the phone every other phone wants to be, Apple can go with whomever they want. Verizon's negative ads though comparing the Droid to the iPhone COULD mean a Sprint iPhone :)
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
I'd be quite alright with that as well. I've been a Sprint customer for 10+ years
- Bill Kinney
from email
Stocks 1999-2009: Worst. Decade. Ever. - http://www.ritholtz.com/blog...
This is shoddy, irresponsible reporting by the WSJ.
- Bill Kinney
Your Ochocinco Tempest In A Teapot Of The Weekend [Nfl] - http://deadspin.com/5430625...
i think it's fucking retarded that the NFL won't let him do this...
- Bill Kinney
Alright - we saw Avatar this afternoon. It was more than halfway into it before I realized how much of what I was watching wasn't real, but CGI. Best damned CGI I've ever seen anywhere, ever. Avatar is to CGI movies what Jurassic Park was to pre-CGI movies.
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I was expecting some amazing 3D-movie game changer, but didn't notice any. The 3D in the movie was extremely well done, but not mind-shattering. The story, the setting, the characters all made the movie - not the 3D.
- Chrimmus Tad
T2 was more revolutionary for CGI than Jurassic Park was...and a far better movie.
- Alex Scoble
You think it was worth seeing it in 3D, Tad? Have you seen others recently where it was or wasn't worth it?
- Ken Sheppardson
It think part of the reason why the 3D was so good was because it wasn't so painstakingly pointed out as "LOOK THIS PART IS IN 3D!!!!". It just was... it was support instead of the focus. And the story was really good. I think it was worth the experience in 3D but I love the fact that the 3D just enhanced and wasn't a big gag-line in the whole thing like most 3D movies I've seen before this one.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Yeah, they got the "Look, 3D" part out of the way in the first scene aboard the ship, then most of the rest was just the cool holographic screens. I'm curious how much of the movie is actually CG.
- Rob Haas
From what I can tell, Rob, it's almost all CGI
- Alex Scoble
It's very impressive in that regard. The Star Wars prequels, while nice looking, were obviously really sterile and empty CGI sets. They fixed that problem in Avatar.
- Rob Haas
Yeah, as brash and full of hubris that James Cameron is, he's a far better director than George Lucas will ever hope to be.
- Alex Scoble
Avatar >>>>>>>> Star Wars Prequels.
- Chrimmus Tad
Yes - I think it should probably only be seen in 3D. It's the way the director intended it to be seen. Like Lindsay said, 3D was used to enhance the movie rather than just existing to be a gimmick. Much happier ending than Titanic. :D
- Chrimmus Tad
saw it in IMAX on the giant screen in 3D. Was awesome. Very immerse experience. CGI was crazy.
- Bill Kinney
Sarah Palin Goes On Vacation. And Quits. - http://feeds.dailykos.com/~r....
i don't understand the fascination with this woman. she's a fucking idiot.
- Bill Kinney
Kol Tregaskes to Kol's feed, FriendFeed Feedback, FriendFeed Talk, FriendFeed Announcements, The Facebook Experience
FriendFeed will now update your Facebook status when you update your FriendFeed status (or statuses pulled into FriendFeed from other networks like Twitter)! - http://www.facebook.com/apps...
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There seem to be no official news so I've posted this as I've just found it on Facebook. Is this a good or bad thing? If I didn't want this but still wanted FB to import my FF posts what would I do? Basically I'm after a filter of what is imported from FriendFeed to FB. I'd like to filter out @replies and certain services. I don't want GReader posts being imported from FF to FB, can I filter these without affecting FF or GReader?
- Kol Tregaskes
Quote from the comments: "The reason for this change is the old Facebook API methods the application used are being deprecated very soon: http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index... If you don't want FriendFeed updating your status please uninstall the application or revoke permissions at: http://www.facebook.com/editapp..."
- Kol Tregaskes
i've been doing this from my FF settings for a awhile.
- Thom Kennon
It's done this for a while. Back 6 months ago or so, the FF app for facebook was really buggy and didn't work for me anymore. Wonder if they ever fixed it.
- Bill Kinney
No, it's been importing the status updates but they've not been turned into FB status updates. That is the difference. Bill, works fine see here: http://www.facebook.com/koltreg...
- Kol Tregaskes
similar to how Twitter has worked then? that's cool. i turned that off recently, as my family kept complaining that i was too noisy. i could only imagine if I sent FF there.
- Bill Kinney
Actually it appears to be a half-worked job. The imported status updates from Twitter via FF in FB still have the FF icon and it seems that is putting people off. The imports need to be turned into proper native FB updates. These imported updates could also be in people's filters.
- Kol Tregaskes
Do. Not. Want.... I stopped Twitter updating my FB status because my FB friends complained I was making their streams too noisy. I want to cross-post my FF stream into my FB stream, but now there doesn't seem to be a way to prevent FF from making a status updates without disabling the whole app...
- Andrew Terry
yeah, i gave up on that app a while back. native facebook can pull some things like Youtube likes, flickr, etc. It's slow to update but it works.
- Bill Kinney
What the heck is a FriendFeed status?
- Michael R. Bernstein
Starting a thread, no more, no less.
- Richard A.
I'd rather continue to syndicate into FB from here using the feed. I like the idea that each one is a little advertising link for my FB peeps to click and find out about Friendfeed,
- Thom Kennon
Michael, anything that is a status update, such as Twitter and Gtalk. if you post a tweet and it comes into FF it will then go into FB as a 'FB status update' but it's not a native FB entry and still had the FF icon which is annoying. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol: the FriendFeed icon is there because the story (or status update) was created via the FriendFeed application. There is no way for us or you to remove that icon. It is for all intents and purposes a "native" FB entry
- Benjamin Golub
I love that the friendFeed team is still working on updates. Any chance you can make it on a "per-update" basis though? For instance, I don't like Twitter going to Facebook, but I may not mind others. Or, at a minimum, I'd love to check a box on my Friendfeed status and have it go to Facebook instead of Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
I've noticed one slight difference between application posts and native (link) posts.. The "view in applicationx" replaces the share button, which makes sharing an application posted link a multi-step process!!
- Chris Myles
Benjamin, so will these updates appear on the status updates filter: http://www.facebook.com/home...? I can't see any atm. Also, I'm still after filtering out each service from FriendFeed in FB, e.g. Google Reader, etc. and also @replies. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol: the status update filter I don't think will work on them. But the app filter does: http://www.facebook.com/home...
- Benjamin Golub
Benjamin, yeah already have that filter. This is what I mean but it not being a true FB status update. If people filter on status updates they won't see the imported FF updates.
- Kol Tregaskes
Thanks for all comments! Yes, I definitely do not like the same things, posted simultaneously, from 1 person, to all accounts. May be I am ancient,hm :(
- Slavomira Vladimirova
What Andrew Terry said.
- Anthony Citrano
My facebook people and my friendfeed people get completely different input from me. Totally different audiences.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
m9m .. I agree!! My friends would be overwhelmed by my geekness!!
- Chris Myles
I wish this had an off switch, or at least would only pick things up with some hashtag.
- Christopher Granade
That would certainly help.. or by allowing you to share only a group feed so you can configure it automatically based on services and via the bookmarklet/status TO: values. (i.e. cmyles-facebook).
- Chris Myles
FB ha comprado FF/ FB bought FF / FB a acheté FF alors....
- ladeloslibros
i dont see that option.. it updates the facebook stream not your status... i have friendfeed posts in my stream but my status still says twitter...
- Jay M
The Terrible Story Of Shellie Ross (And Everyone Else) - http://www.theawl.com/2009...
I don't get the outrage.
- Bill Kinney
Will NBC put Jerry Seinfeld behind Conan O'Brien's desk? - http://www.tvsquad.com/2009...
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'The anonymous source (whom I always imagine as Hal Holbrook) told PopEater's Rob Shuter that Conan's viewership has dropped a whopping 52 percent and that replacing him with the comedian is one option that's being kicked around the NBC offices.'
- Akiva Moskovitz
from Bookmarklet
Mind-boggling. I've probably missed only a few episodes of O'Brien's Tonight Show. I think it's [mostly] better than his Late Night show. It was a rough and rocky start but now that they've brought more on more Richter, it's definitely found its feet. If they drop Conan, I'll drop the Tonight Show. There's no one I would put in O'Brien's place in that chair. I would, however, put THREE someones there: Akiva, Jorma, and Andy. I'd put those guys anywhere. YES. ANYWHERE.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Since the shake-up, I haven't watched one second of Late night TV. Not out of protest, just out of extreme disinterest. If I'm watching late night, it's Chelsea Lately
- Matthew DeVries
I wouldn't see an episode of any late night show either if it wasn't for TiVo. This reminds me that I wanted to start recording Fallon's show, too. I've heard it's gotten much better, too.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I don't think so...They're loyal to Conan , don't leave him.
- Çağın
I hope not. Conan is a genius.
- Mycaptain
Letterman rules
- VAL D. Zone
I think they might see his rating go up if the 10PM Leno Show wasn't there driving viewers to other networks and local news.
- Alan Simpson
That's probably a good point Alan, NBC is scattering their viewers away by putting that mess in front of Conan, EVERY.SINGLE.NIGHT. Think of one the greatest shows of all time, like, The Cosby Show or something. How would it have done if instead of have Jeopary/Wheel of Fortune leading into it, it was Monkeys throwing poo at window in first person.
- Matthew DeVries
I completely forgot that the Leno show is still on.
- Akiva Moskovitz
me too Akiva....
- VAL D. Zone
when did it start getting its feet? I think I finally gave up on it in September and it still sucked for me. he's playing it too safe and it comes off that way. maybe I need to give it another chance. Loved his new york show, I almost never missed it.
- Bill Kinney
Chelsea would be a brilliant show (though it does seem like a flat out rip off of the show Collin Quinn had) if she weren't so far up the ass of the E! (non-)"Celebrities", Kardashians and such. I watch the comics round table, and then have to turn it off cause 90% of interviews are with E! celebs or Reality TV Celebs or other Joel McHale fodder.
- Matthew DeVries
Bill, well, I doubt we'll ever see the likes of the masturbating bear or puking Kermit again but, honestly, I'm fine seeing that stuff go. Conan may be playing it safe but at least he didn't totally sell out his personality like Letterman did.
- Akiva Moskovitz
One thing that always left me wondering about Masturbating Bear....Why Sabre Dance?
- Matthew DeVries
Quicken Essentials for Mac available for pre-order - http://www.tuaw.com/2009...
'Quicken Essentials for Mac is finally available for pre-order. Too little, too late if you ask me. Its taken three years to get this next version of Quicken for Mac out the door. In that time, worthy alternatives have risen, like iBank and Mint.com.'
- Akiva Moskovitz
from Bookmarklet
I had the misfortune of messing around with the beta of the original Quicken for Mac. It was awful. It resembled a Mac application in the same way that a Beef Wellington would when prepared by someone who has never tasted or even seen one. It was so bad that they trashed the whole thing and started from scratch... and this is what they come up with: half-baked and under-powered. I'd...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
I love Mint.com, but it doesn't show me any of my upcoming payments (please correct me if I'm wrong). How in the world can I budget if there's no way of knowing what payments are already scheduled?
- Mistletoe Glen
I can't stand Mint's UI. It's gotten better from that hazy spectrum of light grays and lichen greens but it still doesn't do it for me. Also, it seems like Mint never updates my info unless I log in and force it to. That's useless.
- Akiva Moskovitz
i gave up on quicken a while ago. i've been collecting data in mint for almost 2 years, but not until recently more actively using it. mint does update periodically if you don't log in. not clear how periodically. i use a special calendar in google calendar to show future payments. wish mint had this too.
- Bill Kinney
Tiger Woods going to Arizona for sex addiction rehab? - http://outofbounds.nbcsports.com/2009...
and let the cleansing of tiger woods commence.
- Bill Kinney
The Simpsons turns 20 today - http://www.boingboing.net/2009...
damn. this doesn't make me feel old at all. I remember watching this when it originally aired.
- Bill Kinney
Dave Winer's "WHERE EVERYBODY GO" thread made me LOL. For all the wrong reasons. Thanks for firming up my suspicions, social media peoples.
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Lesson learned: if their insular little circle didn't shit out the golden turd, then it's not worth knowing, is it?
- Steven Perez
How long have I been making fun of people who take social media seriously?
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
from iPod
Honestly, between Robert Scoble's stupid "only the English-speaking people count on FF's stats" comment and the myopia of the afore-mentioned thread, I wonder why I didn't block these fools earlier.
- Steven Perez
I found it interesting that all the naysayers in that thread had gray bubbles next to them. But the people who actually use FF where all blue. Hmmmmm.... ;-)
- Jason Huebel
from Android
Amber said it best: if you think this service is shit, then GTFO. Stop poking your head in every other week and bleating about how FriendFeed is dead. Just *go*.
- Steven Perez
Agreed.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
And while we're on the subject, here's a helpful tip for the social media set: if you see that no one is talking about the subject that you want to talk about, THEN START THE CONVERSATION YOURSELF. And get over the fact that "no one" is engaging your threads, you narcissist. Believe it or not, there will always be people who want to talk about your stuff, just as there will also be people who think your stuff is more boring that watching grass grow. Grow up and get over yourself.
- Steven Perez
*chestbumps Steven*
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
from iPod
What happened? I seemed to miss this post. Guess they are just not that important in my feed. :)
- Santa CW™
Ah thanks Steven. Looks like a typical whine-fest even with a R.Scoble comment or two.
- Santa CW™
What I don't understand is how all these so called experts don't understand you only get what you put in to a site. If you only cause grief and posts about negative things your going to get crap out of it. Want to have a site with a certain subject then add to it with that subject. Maybe you will attract others to it. Other then that.. I'm glad I'm not subbed to them and they are not in my feed.
- Santa CW™
I wish to register a complaint. No, not really. I like Friendfeed. It's diverse, informative, and entertaining, sometimes all at the same time.
- Ian May
I wish to register a complaint: there are too many complaints.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
that thread was puke-a-licious.
- Joe Silence is not Santa
I fondly remember the tweet from a person who was considered one of the top 50 Social Media Experts that described her absolute disbelief that a certain Kevin Rose enterprise was shuttering the servers and ending her employment. Now, I ask you, as an Expert (as recognized by her peers), wouldn't you think she would have had some inkling? It's all a sham and I really don't like the emporers new clothes.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
from iPod
Whenever I see the words "social media" my brain glazes over.
- Lis Miller
Mmm, honey-baked BRAINZ! GNARR!!
- Joe Silence is not Santa
most imaginative use of "golden turd" this week :D
- Mike Chelen
To Dave Winer: so where are the interesting conversations happening? Any specific pointers? Definitely not on Twitter, and I subscribe to the smartest Twitter feeds -- I know what's going on there. The Twitter interface is intensely conversation hostile. The best conversations are occurring mostly in the comments sections of a few of the best blogs on the planet, as best I can tell, and there are some useful conversations on Friendfeed, if you look around.
- Sean McBride
Most of these people are not interested in conversations, they're interested in promoting their agendas. Twitter's perfect for them.
- Bill Kinney
Dave Winer started a group here on Friendfeed called newsjunk, which really didn't gain much traction in terms of provoking in-depth conversation and discussion. I imagine that his Twitter feed is producing even less in the way of meaningful discussion -- one can't really conduct substantive discussions on Twitter. Dave should check out Glenn Greenwald's blog on Salon.com (I know he's...
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- Sean McBride
Bill, to be fair, technologically-mediated conversations *are* the agenda for Dave.
- Michael R. Bernstein
My wedding tip #3: Schedule the honeymoon to happen at least a week after the wedding. Invariably either the bride and/or groom get sick right after the wedding and going to your honeymoon while sick is totally counterproductive to actually having the honeymoon in the first place.
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Tip #1 was Do your guest list before you do anything else.
- Alex Scoble
Tip #2 was Do yourself a favor and hire a wedding planner/manager...even if they only help you on the rehearsal dinner/wedding day. For most people, a wedding will be 10 times more stressful without a knowledgeable planner guiding the process. They know the vendors and what they will and won't do and you don't.
- Alex Scoble
will remember
- Zee.
I agree with tips 1 & 2 but tip 3 is based on a premise that doesn't always prove true.
- Akiva Moskovitz
In my experience this happens more often than not...so on the risk equation it is prudent to follow this advice.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
I think this is a good tip. We had a very short local trip right after the wedding, and our honeymoon months later. Worked for us.
- s t e v e
How many times have you been married, son?!
- Akiva Moskovitz
My parents had two honeymoons as well one weekend one right after and then the week long honey moon a couple months later.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I know far too many people who got sick right after the wedding, Akiva, which is why I followed this advice...well mostly...Also was a factor of when Cassie can get off from school. And yes, I'm dealing with a cold right now. Imagine how much fun Jamaica would NOT be if we were there right now.
- Alex Scoble
Alex, you're right. Happened to me.
- Melanie Reed
After my wedding I took the family that was left and we went to the Jelly Belly Factory.
- Santa CW™
Now that I think about it, it makes sense that people might get sick right after a wedding mainly due to stress more than anything else. Purely anecdotal but interesting enough.
- Akiva Moskovitz
food poisoning, epic hangover :P
- Terry O'Fee
Are you gonna put these on a blog or something? Remember, I'm getting married in like 6 months and this particular tip hit close to home.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I followed #1 but I'm planning to leave for the honeymoon right after the wedding if possible and I doubt I'm hiring a planner. My sister and her husband went on their honeymoon a week after their wedding and he ended up sick the entire time anyway. I hope you get over your cold before your honeymoon, though!
- joey
I've been married twice and no honeymoon either time. Are there any rules about taking a honeymoon on your 5th anniversary?
- Sally: baby flier
Our guest list is still in flux. Sis in law was handling the planning, but she's not well. We already have catering+venue locked in, though.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Have fun? Oh and I recommend that you make it 10 days if possible.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
regarding tip #3: Although I think it's wise in general, this would have backfired big time for me. We went on our honeymoon immediately after the wedding and had a great time. The day after we got back, I woke up sicker than I'd ever been before.
- Jim Is Not Smart
:(
- VAL D. Zone
It actually wasn't so bad. I recovered, AND I got an extra two days off from work!
- Jim Is Not Smart
And part of #3 should be: Unless it's some place local, don't drink the water. This also means no ice in your drinks, no salad, no fountain sodas, or anything in which the local water supply will get into your body without being sterilized first. You are used to the organisms that are present in your local water supply. What is in a different region may not match what you are used to....
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- April Russo (app103)
My folks got married during the war (the Big One) and had their honeymoon 5 years later. I went with them. Don't wait too long.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Sally, we took our honeymoon fofr our 2nd anniversary.
- Admiral Anika
We vacationed for our 1st anniversary, but I was 6 mos pregnant and we didn't get to have all the fun we'd originally planned. I'm thinking maybe someone can watch Travis for us in a few years so we can do something just the two of us. I'm thinking his FL grandparents can watch him and we'll take a cruise.
- Sally: baby flier
We waited 5 days and had a stay-cation for those days which is as valuable to me as vacation is!
- Rachel Lea Fox
amen! I made the same mistake.
- Bill Kinney
Can there be an addendum for couples that have yet to "get down" before they got married? I don't think they want to wait any longer and a sniffly nose won't mean a whole lot at that stage.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Jeremy, even if you're not on your honeymoon quite yet, you can still "get down" on your wedding night!
- Rochelle
I totally agree. I got sick two days into my honeymoon.
- Adam Martin
@Rochelle - good point. At that point, anywhere will do.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Our venue provided the most awesome day-of coordinator, I was so thankful to have her, also that we didn't have to drop any extra money hiring an outside person.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
Honeymoon! Dammit! I knew I forgot something! Arrrgh!
- Morgan Haley
I don't think I ever said it, so congratulations Alex! And I'm saving these tips for the future.
- Arlan Koizumi
My wife and I did the same. Married on Saturday, back to work for a week. Flew to Hawaii following Saturday. :)
- Louis Gray
I AM EXCUSED FROM JURY DUTY!!! (in a way, I almost wanted to go....) I have never sat on a jury.
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i've gotten out of it twice, both times when I was in college. i always wanted to do it too. especially now, my company continues to pay full salary while on it. would be a nice paid break.
- Bill Kinney
I had planned to bring a book or two. no phones, no pc, just read.
- Mike Nencetti
I was called for a few ......they did not need me on one and I cannot do it now...........but if I had any I saw on courttv in session I would bring along a pin to keep poking myself to stay awake with all the babbling that goes on.....
- VAL D. Zone
why cant you sit on a jury
- Mike Nencetti
I am crippled with arthritis and I cannot sit for long periods at a time..especially in those chairs............sucks
- VAL D. Zone
sorry to hear about the arthritis. i know nothing about arthritis..... sends a long distance hug to help :)
- Mike Nencetti
I have never been called. I think I'm on a "list" somewhere
- sjjh
I have only received 2 summons in my entire life. I've moved a lot over the years. Maybe that has something to do with it. Maybe it's just luck. I doubt it's personal
- Mike Nencetti
thank you Mike.......
- VAL D. Zone
Female Fluids You Never Really Wanted to Talk About: the KSK Sex Advice/Fantasy Football Mailbag - http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2009...
i love this column.
- Bill Kinney
And you thought FriendFeed was doing bad - check out Google Reader:
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Regarding FriendFeed's numbers, be sure to see here: http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
I forget to use Google Reader. I prefer FF
- Mike Nencetti
Also see: http://friendfeed.com/jessest...
- Jesse Stay
Isn't that because the URL most people use for Google Reader is http://www.google.com/reader ?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken is right. I always use http://www.google.com/reader. You can also get feeds on http://www.google.com/ig/ Jesse, it's time for you to retire from stats mayhem.
- Louis Gray
Remember, 65.4% of all stats are made up on the spot.
- Ken Sheppardson
i use google.com/reader too
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
Web 1.0 is to Web 2.0 as Alexa is to Compete.
- AJ Kohn
There will also be users coming from other countries like us here (google.ca/reader).
- AJ Batac
Louis, I'm simply sharing the same type of stats you did with FriendFeed. Who shall retire first?
- Jesse Stay
Louis shared stats for FriendFeed using the wrong URL?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, http://reader.google.com is how I access Google Reader
- Jesse Stay
See how it redirects to www.google.com/reader?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, my point is Louis's stats mean as much as mine do - there are way more factors that go into this, I agree
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, without demeaning you personally, this is false and ridiculous. FriendFeed is a domain, a specific one, and I chose the primary domain. Google Reader is a subdomain or directory, and you chose the one that, as you show, nobody uses. The Alexa data you showed for FriendFeed illustrated something that nobody is experiencing. This isn't gamesmanship. It's just wrong, again.
- Louis Gray
I have a hard time understanding the fights and points Jesse chooses to get into.....just baffling.
- Matthew DeVries
So let's take this constructively - what's a better way of comparing the two if http://reader.google.com is a bad way?
- Jesse Stay
Neither.... it's apples and oranges.
- Jason Williams
Jason - considering some use FriendFeed as a replacement for Google Reader it's not apples and oranges - they're competition.
- Jesse Stay
Really? Why on earth would anyone use FF over Reader? FF complements Reader but shouldn't supplant it. Is there really a constructive way to read rss feeds here?
- Jason Williams
Jason, many people do that - it always comes out when Scoble is threatening to leave Reader. It's also why your FriendFeed stats now show up with your Feedburner stats.
- Jesse Stay
looks like we gotta get louis to work more hours to get that chart moving in the right direction!
- Allen Stern
Amen Allen (that's the spirit)! I'd love to see more stability and more focus on core functionality, not the social features. More stats, more organizational tools, more sharing tools. Better UI. Less bugs. I would use it more if that were the case.
- Jesse Stay
Give me a better way to manage thousands of items a day and I'll read thousands of items a day. For now I've had to reduce my use due to how bulky and hard-to-manage it all is.
- Jesse Stay
for the record i rarely to never use google reader.
- Allen Stern
when friendfeed shows me full content RSS feeds instead of just title links, let me know. until then, I'll keep using Google Reader. that's the same notion that twitter is a replacement for it. I get it but it doesn't work for me.
- Bill Kinney
Jesse knows that I read more than 1,000 items per day and am connected to more than 1,000 people via shared item feeds. The graph above is not valid. Google Reader is a great complement to FriendFeed, and always has been. It's the vast majority of my feed. Reader is also, very flexibly, able to share to different sites, including Twitter and Facebook.
- Louis Gray
Yes, Bill. Jesse is just grumpy today. :) He knows better than to post data without any substance and try and get a faux argument going. He also is tempting me to post a SocialToo traffic chart and compare it to Twitter. :)
- Louis Gray
i think that louis and jesse need a "time out" - both of you to your respective corners for a juice box
- Allen Stern
No way, Allen! Not when there are great injustices in this world! :)
- Louis Gray
louis i just sat through 4 hrs of city council hearings at city hall - not once did google reader or friendfeed come up :)
- Allen Stern
Jesse, the difference is that Readers traffic isn't dependent on who else is also using it. As much as Google would like it to be, it's not a social tool. I can get my FF feed in Reader but not vice versa. Do you really get your "news" from FF? It's the same thing with Twitter. People try to make it a RSS replacement but it isn't no matter how much you want it to be. 140 characters might be ok for links and quick social commentary but in depth news, not so much.
- Jason Williams
Allen, but they did mention a series of tubes, at least in passing I'm sure :)
- Micah Wittman
*thinks of how to talk Jesse down from the ledge...* Jesse, Hi :) At best you are criticizing conventional wisdom web statistics in general and mixing it with a clearly flawed swipe at Reader. ### Now, carefully, come back from the precipice and live to fight another day.
- Micah Wittman
You guys are all proving my point - that this argument is just as crazy a claim as this one is here: http://friendfeed.com/louisgr... - you can't trust stats
- Jesse Stay
I use Feedly, which is off the back of Google Reader
- Ian May
Jesse, nobody has proven your point. The only point that has been made is that you made a mistake and tried to draw a parallel, and you failed.
- Louis Gray
Of course you can trust stats, Jesse. You just have to understand how they were collected, what they mean, and not try to use them to support some completely unrelated hypothesis. I've seen two graphs of US and global FriendFeed visitor stats that support two different statements... that US usage is down and global usage is up, respectively. The graph you've created for reader.google.com is irrelevant and immaterial, for reasons given above.
- Ken Sheppardson
I could be wrong, but a certain someone who pronounced FF as dead cited that new features in GR were going to kill it. Just sayin'. Also just sayin' - I'm with Louis on this one. The combination of Google Reader and Friendfeed have changed the game for me, bigtime.
- jcunwired
Surely not.
- Will Higgins™
I'm probably in the minority but I have replaced Google Reader with FriendFeed. Pretty much for discussions like this one. I'm not sure I find the same value in Reader, I tend to bookmark and re-visit the same sites anyway. FriendFeed brings something to the table that a bookmark just doesn't. Reader, not so much. At least not for me.
- Mark Davidson
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We need a UFC match between Louis Gray and Jesse Stay. The 9-lettered names of mayhem!
- beersage
I'd like to append my last post with, I still scan GR, so the previous comments about using GR and FF together as a powerful combination--in practice, if not in heart--I'm in agreement with.
- Mark Davidson
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See what happens when I stayed in GReader (and some Twitter) all day, I missed a good thread. I read/skim a little over 1,000 posts a day, I'm not sure if I read more than Louis (42,597 items in last 30 days) but it's my information center. Friendfeed use to be my place for discussions around the news, since engagement has dropped here (for me at least), I've moved back to Twitter for a fraction of that engagement (FB for friends/coworkers/family).
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I never knew there was a reader.google.com
- Richard Lawler
Almost all of Google's (non-acquired) properties can do both whatever.google.com and google.com/whatever which is very smart actually.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
On the subject, I must thank Louis, Jesse and many others that act as filters on GReader BTW. When I don't have time to go through the bulk, these guys help bring the cream to the top. I try to do my part in filtering for others but I feel that it's a team effort to bring the signal to others as automated filters aren't smart enough (yet).
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Funny, I cut back on my usage of both services and the graph goes down. You can blame Scoble now. I don't use Google Reader anymore.
- Robert Scoble
Don't talk about yourself in the third person.
- Mark
I blame Scoble for the drop in the Twitter chart as well then. <smirk>
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
My use has gone down significantly and I'm seriously looking for the perfect solution to replace it. Hoping Seesmic or Tweetie or Tweetdeck do that soon. See: http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
I now know Louis's Kryptonite - criticize Google Reader ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Robert, please don't leave Gmail, because I still need that. Thanks.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Jesse - I agree with your April blog post 100%. I also want to mention that Google Alerts is also a helpful tool for monitoring blog posts. (And without a doubt, most of us use it.)
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Jesse, kryptonite would weaken someone if it were their personal poison. I am not weakened by your inaccuracies and stubbornness. :)
- Louis Gray
Anyone know what Feedly's numbers are??
- Roberto Bonini
it is still my best organic conversational real time tool...
- Yann Ropars
Feedly is actually down 11% in Nov as well. http://siteanalytics.compete.com/feedly...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Is this a trend?? The holiday season and all?? What about Feedburner stats?? If RSS usage (i.e for RSS clients) is in decline (unlikely) it would show up there.
- Roberto Bonini
manieles: feedly's content is generated dynamically in the browser so the metrics you are pointing to are just metrics of our blog (most users download feedly from the mozilla (and now chrome) sites. 2009 was a good year for feedly: we grew 1,527% from Dec 08 until Dec 09. http://twitter.com/edwk...
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Ah, I guess that makes my comment above moot. There goes that theory.
- Roberto Bonini
Sorry Edwin, just like reader.google.com the compete numbers don't show the story of true use.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
No problem Mark (it happens a lot). Roberto: Feedly is still relatively a niche service compared to Friendfeed and Google Reader so your theory could be correct. I do not have visibility into the Google Reader usage information but I can say that the underlying infrastructure keeps on getting better and innovating at a very fast pace. They have the foundation for a distributed...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
Sounds like what I said about FriendFeed :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: Friendfeed is down but they are not dead. It all depends on if Facebook will decide to invest and move the service forward or not. If they do not, at some point Twitter and Facebook will have a super set of the friendfeed features and at that point their will be no turn around possible. Friendfeed sold out too early.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, Jesse is having an off day. Feedly is doing fantastically. Google Reader continues to have the #1 position in RSS and things are flourishing with their social features. FriendFeed has great technology and a fantastic community, but stalled momentum. Jesse should be in better form in about 5-7 days.
- Louis Gray
Jesse are you sick *again*? I told you to eat more bacon! :-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Would be interesting to see a metric that measures total number of posts having comments and likes versus total posts and compare that to the "glory days" of Friendfeed. How much different is the engagement now?
- Steve
Louis is basing his "FriendFeed is down" on faulty stats - that's the point of this thread. FriendFeed's just fine: http://staynalive.com/article... - I agree Reader and RSS are fine. So is FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
Steve, you can always use FriendFeed's advanced search to find 100 comments and likes posts.
- Louis Gray
Jesse, discussing this with you is getting boring. That post was wrong and based on data even worse than the public information I used.
- Louis Gray
Nothing on the Internet is dead until the servers are unplugged and the information is not cached elsewhere. There could be 1 unique user on a site and it still could be very useful for that one person.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Mark, that's correct. I covered that when I said I would still find value if I were the last FriendFeeder. What's frustrating about this nonsense of a thread is that Jesse made a mistake with his graph and continues to stand by it.
- Louis Gray
As did Louis (I'm not standing by this graph - I was making a point), and he continues to stand by his (about FriendFeed traffic being down)
- Jesse Stay
Because it is down.
- Louis Gray
Louis, if you think my post is wrong, how about a post proving my points wrong
- Jesse Stay
:-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
It is a waste of time. It also does not benefit me or the community to make high visibility of negativity around this site. That's why I posted what I did here previously, also knowing it tends to be written about and spun by other blogs.
- Louis Gray
I don't think Louis believes his graph is wrong - who's the stubborn one? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Congratulates Jesse and his graph for making my best of day on FF. I am not a fan of Google reader. the graph looks accurate to me and the feedback I see of GR.
- Mike Nencetti
Jesse: I am confused. It seems that the point you are trying to make is that graphs are wrong in general and that both friendfeed and RSS are fine. Is that correct?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, correct
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I believe that Compete.com data is not perfect, but it is the best publicly available data that we have. I also believe that the trends it portrays about this specific site are 100% accurate. Your data showing Google Reader at zero is laughable and an embarrassment to your reputation.
- Louis Gray
Mike, this didn't make "best of day". It made "most obtuse of the day". :)
- Louis Gray
Jesse: which metric would you use to determine if friendfeed as a service is up or down?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
It is not showing it at 0 - it is showing it at very low.
- Jesse Stay
Google Reader's traffic is hidden within www.google.com's data. Dare I add iGoogle for RSS feeds into that picture as well. However, Friendfeed's traffic is not hidden (for US Traffic) in Compete's numbers.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Jesse relied on Alexa data (which is the ugly stepsister of Compete.com), and he suggested that Bret Taylor's graph showing a higher percentage of international users suggested growth, when, more accurately, it portrayed that US visitors fell away at a dramatic rate.
- Louis Gray
Louis: May be you and Jesse are looking at this from different angle and are both right
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Nah. Edwin, I will always support good data. :) This is bad data.
- Louis Gray
Quantcast shows a similar decline. Every service that is respected shows a decline. http://www.quantcast.com/friendf...
- Louis Gray
Louis, I never denied yours was based on US data. My point was FriendFeed was not down, which you claimed it to be.
- Jesse Stay
May be Friendfeed has a lot more persian users which are less active but nevertheless users. But over all Friendfeed has a lot less momentum and engagement because the early adopters have moved to twitter
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Jesse, I continue to claim that global traffic worldwide, including US and non-US traffic is down, period. And even if you were right, turning this into Orkut or Friendster is not a thing to be proud of.
- Louis Gray
Jess: the problem is that down is not as important as momemtum and innovation.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Louis, again, you're showing the wrong state re: Quantcast - click the "all" link and you'll see something more reflective. They're down in the short-term (at least in the US), but not in the long-term.
- Jesse Stay
There' nothing wrong with Alexa from a world view. Just don't mix numbers between Compete, Quantcast and Alexa. Compete clearly shows the US usage has dropped.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Louis, I never turned this into a comparison of Orkut and Friendster - where is this coming from?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, the short term is the start of the long term. You know better than this.
- Louis Gray
I am. Those are sites dominated by non-US visitors, contrasted with Facebook and Twitter.
- Louis Gray
Louis, I disagree the short-term is the start of the long term
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: One simpler question for you: do you think that there is a chance for friendfeed to regain momentum and flourish without an engineering team behind it?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, absolutely, but I think there will be an engineering team behind it eventually
- Jesse Stay
and there is an engineering team behind it currently, or it would not be able to handle the current traffic.
- Jesse Stay
Hmm. Do you have another example to point us to? Where will the engineering come from eventually?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, Facebook
- Jesse Stay
Friendfeed is clearly transforming. It may gain momentum for a while until 'other services' catch up. However once a better wheel is made...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I think that you are fooling yourself
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, absolutely not - there are numbers to prove it - whether it's still FriendFeed or transforms into Facebook, it will still be around, and serving way more than it is now.
- Jesse Stay
Facebook wanted the brainpower and that brainpower is not integrated into other facebook projects
- Edwin Khodabakchian
That brainpower is still keeping FriendFeed running at the same time
- Jesse Stay
Here again. I think that you are fooling yourself
- Edwin Khodabakchian
That brainpower still believes in FriendFeed
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I would listen to Edwin, and Matthew Davies, and almost everyone else in this thread.
- Louis Gray
Facebook is in a hyper competitive space, those brains are working 150% on facebook projects
- Edwin Khodabakchian
You can clearly see that the FF team is porting features into FB, they are attempting to have a friend of a friend system similar to FF. IF THEY SUCCEED, FB has become Friendfeed.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Jesse, Bret is VP of Products at Facebook and working on Connect and the dev community which reaches 100x+ more people than FriendFeed does.
- Louis Gray
Louis I didn't say FriendFeed wouldn't transform into Facebook. I did say it wasn't going away and it would continue growing.
- Jesse Stay
But it is not growing, and that entire argument is dead right there.
- Louis Gray
It is growing, your argument is dead.
- Jesse Stay
I think that you are right that it is going to stay (that is a low hanging fruit) and it might grow in some geographies (like it does in Iran because of the network effect) and because it was ahead of its time in terms of conversation, the erosion will take longer but there is no doubt that with no engineering, it is a dead end.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
AOL is not growing but it's hardly dead. Wait, I'm on Louis's side on this...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
AOL is investing massively to survive
- Edwin Khodabakchian
AOL is apples and oranges - if Facebook stops growing you can start comparing it to AOL.
- Jesse Stay
Mark, that's fine. I don't think there are sides. There's what's correct, and whatever Jesse is doing.
- Louis Gray
Or whatever Louis is doing - he seems to think he's correct, which he's not (now this is getting repetitive)
- Jesse Stay
Too bad the friendfeed team did not believe in friendfeed the same way Jess believes in Friendfeed!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, the FriendFeed team saw what we all see and sold at the right time for a fantastic opportunity.
- Louis Gray
I will agree to disagree with Louis - that's about the only way I'm backing down on this. I believe passionately in FriendFeed, and I see no reason it's dying.
- Jesse Stay
Edwin look at how much the FriendFeed team uses FriendFeed - they still believe passionately in the service. They believe so as much as I do.
- Jesse Stay
(and I never said it was dying, nor did I say I don't believe in what was built here) Go find me saying that anywhere.
- Louis Gray
Jesse: would you have sold to friendfeed?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I don't get what you are saying Louis - what is your argument?
- Jesse Stay
Start from the top. (And read your DMs). The graph you show here has zero validity and it is in no way relevant to the graph you are discussing from last week, period.
- Louis Gray
All I know is that public statistics lie. Paul B knows the real answer for FF, as does Jeff Huber for GReader stats.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Okay, so your argument is that FriendFeed is declining - isn't that the same as dying?
- Jesse Stay
If you get the flu, do you always die, Jesse?
- Louis Gray
If you lose 20 pounds, is it guaranteed that you will eventually hit zero?
- Louis Gray
Louis, okay, whatever - I see no reason it's declining
- Jesse Stay
Then you are being naive and ignoring all the public data, plus anecdotal data from this site itself.
- Louis Gray
The FF sale is more than a flu, it's a handicap scenario. It makes it harder to see a perfect future.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Louis: I am not sure that facebook was/is a fantastic opportunity for the friendfeed team. Facebook connect is awesome but this space is still at its infancy and I am not sure that the centralized facebook/twitter model will be the model of the future. Friendfeed had the advantage of understanding search really well and being distributed at its core - great asset!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Louis, not naive at all - I shared the public data publicly on my blog, showing backed evidence the site is still growing. Where's your rebuttal? Do I have to show this again?: http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
Using your links in your article, Jesse, Quantcast topped out in August and has fallen significantly since. And we already noted that the Alexa data, which is the outlier, shows a small upward trend.
- Louis Gray
Louis, your argument is it's falling short-term. My argument is that it's growing long-term. My data supports that. I'm definitely not naive and frankly I'm beginning to be offended you're calling me that.
- Jesse Stay
OK. Good discussion. I think that Louis and Jess should go get a beer and huge each other. Time to go write some code!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Yes, if you put the calendar back far enough, the trajectory is upward. Of course it is. And Edwin, I can't get Jesse to drink beer.
- Louis Gray
Great, then we agree
- Jesse Stay
I agree that if you go over a 2 year calendar, traffic to FriendFeed has increased.
- Louis Gray
I guess I missed something... I've seen (1) Quantcast and Compete charts of US reach/visitors which says domestic use is down (2) an Alexa chart that says international use is up (3) a comment and accompanying chart from Bret saying "international growth has started to completely dominate since August (4) a pretty significant shift in the FFholic Most Active user list to international users, and (5) lots of anecdotal evidence from English-speaking users saying they've seen reduced (or stable) activity.
- Ken Sheppardson
...is somebody taking exception to any of those observations?
- Ken Sheppardson
Nope. Agreed, Ken.
- Louis Gray
But the entire thread originated with the Google Reader flat line, which was a mistake.
- Louis Gray
Yeah, I think everybody's just trying to ignore that at this point ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I just don't get why Jesse's trying to make this you-can't-believe-stats/charts argument. I think there's something in my list of 5 point that Jesse thinks is wrong.
- Ken Sheppardson
Jesse doesn't believe the Compete or Quantcast data showing a decline.
- Louis Gray
I don't think I ever agreed the above graph was correct - it was put there to show a point
- Jesse Stay
So you believe US usage is up, or not declining, Jesse?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, I didn't mean you can't believe them - I mean they can often be deceptive
- Jesse Stay
Which is amusing, because the blue line here is identical to the same blue line I posted last week.
- Louis Gray
My head hurts.
- Ken Sheppardson
I thought I'd post it up against the same deceptive result so we were on the same terms
- Jesse Stay
Jesse - Next time use a red line .... :)
- Charlie Anzman
Sigh. I could also show a graph that over the last 120 years, GM sales are way up, and compare that to the sale of unicycles.
- Louis Gray
Just laughed out loud at that one Louis
- Hutch Carpenter
Damn, you mean Unicycles sales are up right now? Tomorrow is free shipping day.... :-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Are you saying Google Reader is like a Unicycle?
- Jesse Stay
Nope.
- Louis Gray
So Google Reader is going to be like GM?
- Jesse Stay
Ah... sorry... a light bulb just went off... showing a chart that shows US traffic is declining is deceptive in that some people who look at it might conclude that's overall activity, when in fact total, world-wide activity is steady or increasing.
- Ken Sheppardson
That's one of Jesse's theories, Ken. (Still doesn't explain the Google Reader non-sequitir)
- Louis Gray
If Google Reader is like a Unicycle, it's like the Honda's U3-X..... a very cool one!
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I'm starting to piece this together... so showing reader.google.com traffic is declining when in fact total Reader traffic is up... ?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, correct
- Jesse Stay
reader.google.com is a domain nobody uses. Reader traffic is unknown, but certainly not the flat line displayed here.
- Louis Gray
Louis, I use reader.google.com
- Jesse Stay
I'd agree with that theory. The World growth is outpacing US internet growth.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I just took a look at the graph at http://www.alexa.com/siteinf... Turns out that although international reach is up as shown in your graph, Jesse, Alexa shows a 20% or so decrease in their pageview graph since the peak near August. More users spending less time...
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, that is short-term though, which was another point of mine. Long-term they still have an upward trend. It is still much too early to determine if they are declining yet. Maybe in 6 months you guys can all show me I'm wrong.
- Jesse Stay
Facebook bought FF in Aug, that throws a trendline in completely different direction. It's an inflection point.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Mark, FF took a dip after that, but they recovered and went even higher than before the FF acquisition. I wouldn't call that an inflection point.
- Jesse Stay
Which chart shows traffic higher than before the acquisition (not counting the spike after due to curious people who never heard of FF before they read it)? Are you looking at Alexa's "Reach"?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Yes, Mark... Alexa's chart of international reach shows that the % of worldwide internet users who are visiting FriendFeed is up. It's also the 47th most popular site in Turkey, 227th in Italy, and 412th in Pakistan. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Mark, correct, which is more accurate because it compares visitors globally, not just US
- Jesse Stay
In fact Alexa says 20.7% users are from the US and 20.6% are from Turkey, and another 20% or so from Italy, Japan, and India combined.
- Ken Sheppardson
Right but the question would be what were those percentages between countries back in August? A shift in demographics needs to be adjusted by online population in those countries.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
There's roughly 74M people in Turkey. For every 1% drop in US visits, about 4% would automatically gain for Turkey in the Pie Chart without a single new user in growth.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I don't believe they're breaking out the % of users in each country that are visiting FriendFeed, they're talking about what % of FriendFeed users are coming from each country.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken is correct.
- Louis Gray
Strongly Disagree. Look at my coupon work site: RedPlum.com 92.2% are from the US. I highly doubt I have that much audience but I'd love for it to be true.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Disagree with what, Mark? That stat means for every 100 people who visit your site, 92 are from the US.
- Ken Sheppardson
Sorry, I misunderstood your comment. It's a pie of % of FF visitors are coming from which country. We are on same page.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Yeah, sorry... I switched from "reach" to the user breakdown midstream there.
- Ken Sheppardson
So as I was saying, a 1% drop in US visits moves Turkey up 4% when you factor populations and no new additions.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
To tie that together with Compete's US view, the US audience dropped 20% in last 90 days so Turkey would naturally rise in the pie chart regardless of new user growth from that country.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Actually digging that information a bit more, only 21.1% of the Turkey population uses the internet so the spread would widen even further.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
wow
- ★ Soner Gönül
Interesting......
- Keith Griffiths
What a ridiculous discussion! It has already been said: the stats are apples and oranges. Let's look at the comparative numbers for internet users who are brain-dead versus those who can type. It would appear graduation from grade school bans internet access.
- Douglas Hopkins
Facebook hurts !
- Desirade
Yeah, don't bother. Senestezi is spamming.
- Ken Sheppardson
Vikings refuse to endorse stadium plan - http://espn.go.com/blog...
maybe "those leaders" are in LAX. or some shit. fucking vikings.
- Bill Kinney
New pricetag for a new Vikes’ stadium: $870M Building a... - http://stuffaboutminneapolis.tumblr.com/post...
yeah, never mind that the VIKINGS aren't even a part of this.
- Bill Kinney
A second look at Survivor Samoa's final six and the jury's pre-season interviews - http://www.realityblurred.com/reality...
really hoping russell wins but i doubt it.
- Bill Kinney
LED traffic lights don't melt snow, do cause accidents - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
the law of unintended consequences at work.
- Bill Kinney
Bengals Chris Henry In Car Crash, Injuries “Very Serious” - http://www.footballnewsnow.com/2009...
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"Cincinnati Bengals WR Chris Henry was involved in a major car accident Wednesday in Charlotte, North Carolina. The injuries are believed to be very serious according to a statement released by the team. No further details on the crash are available at this time."
- LANjackal
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Some reports say he is on life support
- Alan Simpson
Wow, how tragic. Hope he survives.
- Kenton
Apparently he fell out of a pickup truck. Keep him in your prayers. Yeesh.
- LANjackal
Died this morning. RIP. Apparently he had a domestic dispute with is fiance and she drove off in a pickup. He jumped in the back ... more here http://content.usatoday.com/communi...
- LANjackal
this is terrible.
- Bill Kinney
Twitter is apparently suffering from a Tape Delay this morning. My main feed is 18 minutes out right now. So much for realtime.
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But FF *is* realtime ;)
- Itachi
I've never seen FF have a tape delay. :->
- Bill Kinney
I've been a googlin' but I'm still confused. Can someone 'splain to me the different badges and what they're worth, gearwise? Is an heirloom item as good as a "purple"? I' found the badge exchanger NPC and think I might have messed up.
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An heirloom item is tradeable for a piece of Tier gear, either T9 or T10 I'd imagine. Some gear pieces require both badges and heirloom items. This is how I understand it.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Aren't heirloom items the ones you can give to your alts at whatever level and it auto-specs according to their level (and usually looks pretty darn cool too)?
- Fa La La La Lindsay
They bind on account, so they can be transferred between alts on the same server, and are equivalent to Blue items. http://www.wowwiki.com/Heirloo...
- Jimminy Fuller
The badge systems confuse me too. As far as I can tell, pretty much the only things that drop now are Emblems of Triumph, for Tier 9s, and Emblems of Frost (for, I assume, Tier 10s?) If you want Tier 7s or 8s, you can trade Emblems of Triumph in for Emblems of Heroism or Emblems of Conquest.
- Victor Ganata
Yeah, each tier of content had a specific badge; emblems of heroism, then emblems of valor, then emblems of conquest, then emblems of triumph, and now emblems of frost. When a new content patch comes out, they add a new tier, and the previous highest tier becomes much, much easier to get: that is, when you do heroics, you generally get the second highest tier's badge so you can buy the...
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- Mark Trapp
In 3.3, most of your gear will be purchased with Emblems of Triumph; beyond a few quests and the single daily, you won't get very many Emblems of Frost. Depending on how much you do heroics and how long 3.3 lasts, you'll probably save enough Emblems of Frost up for maybe one or two pieces of frost gear before 3.4 or 4.0 hits or you start raiding Icecrown.
- Mark Trapp
Heh, you think there will be a 3.4? Arthas comes back from the dead? His defeat at Icecrown Citadel was merely a setback? :D
- Victor Ganata
The average lifespan of a content patch is 3-5 months, and they always release a pre-expansion patch (2.0, 3.0, eventually 4.0) a month or two before an expansion drops. So, if there isn't a 3.4, that means Cataclysm comes out this spring, which I think is unlikely. In TBC, the Black Temple was supposed to be the end of the expansion (what's more badass than Illidan?), but since Wotlk...
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- Mark Trapp
Well, there were about 7 months between 2.4 and 3.0. July 2010 is still too soon, maybe?
- Victor Ganata
I think October 2010 - January 2011 is more likely. Wotlk came out in November 2008, and TBC came out in January 2006. Considering the scope of Cataclysm, I'd think it would take as long as those expansions, if not longer. One thing they could do instead of filler content is do a technical patch, like they did for 2.2 (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchno...). They added the ill-fated built-in voice chat and a bunch of bug fixes/tweaks.
- Mark Trapp
I could see that. Maybe a patch for more cross-server features?
- Victor Ganata
I was confused looking at all the items last night as well...I decided to trade 10 of the badges I had the most of (22 left now) for 5750 Sons of Paininthrear honor and save the rest. lol
- Christian (Simply X)
using past times as future predictors may not be accurate. Blizz has said on more that one occasion that the pacing of content in the TBC era was too slow. Still, it does seem like cataclysm is a ways off. should know more in the next month or two once the next patch becomes more clear.
- Bill Kinney
Just as a follow-up to this, I didn't realize they were releasing ICC 10/25 man in phases, with several weeks in between: patch day was the first wing, with 3 more wings to go (and a bunch of hoops raids have to go through to even attempt to fight the Lich King). That could feasibly keep 3.3 around for a much longer time than normal.
- Mark Trapp
Yeah I realized this when I was listening to The Instance podcast today and they were discussing the raid content. Really like that show.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Hey guys! Thought I'd chime in here. Badges of all levels are still useful. Heroisms can be used to purchase epic gems, so if you have nothing else to buy gear wise you can get free gems for any new gear. Once your gear is as good or better then Triumph gear you will need higher item level (higher raid difficulty) pieces. But as of now T9 (Triumph) is still really good, a new guildy...
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- Heather
Oh yeah, I don't know where you guys are at, but some guilds are farming rep from ICC (it's all mob kills). So you might be able to find groups that will go in to farm trash. You just kill up to the first boss, run out, reset and repeat. It takes a while, but once you hit friendly you can get a nice ring. The first 4 on this page: http://www.wowhead.com/...
- Heather
I'm not nearly as profane as I used to be. My grandmother accidentally taught me how to curse like a sailor as the saying goes. I've gotten really good about keeping it clean but Audrey's starting to recognize words so I need to get it completely clean. Discussing this tonight with Rochelle, I realized that my favorite profanity is, of all things:
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(and remember that I'm Jewish)
- Akiva Moskovitz
Jesus Fucking Christ.
- Akiva Moskovitz
So, yeah, I really, really need to get over that one. Thanks, movies!
- Akiva Moskovitz
I know why Jesus never fathered a child... Imagine having sex with a girl who just calls out your dad's name all the time... *goes straight to Hell, no waiting*
- Johnny Worthington
Johnny, we've got VIP passes.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Bahahaha
- Mo Kargas
Me and mom did a pretty decent job keeping things clean, but the grandparents not so much. I think he pretty much knows how to say just about any "bad word" with conviction and perfect comedic timing.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I think replacing it with obsolete swears is the best way. Jumping Jehosaphat! 'Zounds! Peter Paul and Mary!
- Spidra Webster
Spidra, my personal fave is "Cheese 'n Rice!"
- felicious
"Kelly Clarkson!"
- Derrick
I'm just learning how to curse in foreign languages. That seems to be the diplomatic solution.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, that's what my mother did when she really felt the need to curse. I was the coolest kid in French class!
- joey
...or you could just say what you mean. Like "ouch" or "oops" or "look what you did to my couch, do you think money grows on trees?" When you say what you really mean, there's no reason to try and appear more powerful by using profanities. (Full disclosure: I've been back in with religion for three years and I still have to catch myself after the first syllable. "Oh, fuuuuuuuuuuu...dge.")
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Pick a more obscure language. I found cursing in Spanish when I encountered bad drivers wasn't exactly a smooth move. I had to switch to Swedish.
- Spidra Webster
I usually go with "cheezits" (in case you dont get it, instead of jesus), "fudge cakes", and I'm trying to work in "crivens!" because its the funniest one I know. :) p.s. My bf's sister was all "We can't swear around the baby!" and she's the one that does it the most. >.<
- Heather
"bah..." and "bloody" work for nearly everything when around the wee ones
- Michael W. May
Frak!!!! BSG style ;)
- Alemsah Ozturk
from iPhone
Those frelling curse words...
- Jemm
Sometimes I think its worse to make up a curse word. If you are a gonna curse, just curse....says the girl with no kids. :-D
- Paulette Garcia Morris
"Blast!" is pretty satisfying. So is "Dadblagit!"
- Jenthemum
"What the deuce?"
- Jemm
I learned it all from my Dad
- VAL D. Zone
My favs are "Jesus Christ in a handbasket" (holy shit); Holy Mary Mother of God (oh my God!); freakin' (fuck, fucking, etc.); and then go with bloody or foreign language terms, like scheisse (shit in German, said 'shy-suh'). Caveat - not Catholic and will probably go to hell anyway.
- Cassandra
If I believed in Hell, I'd probably be headed straight down in a stretched limo. But I don't, so there. :-P
- Jason Huebel
You could say just say '@#*!' (pronounced 'at-hash-splat-bang') or some similar combination.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Thanks to friendfeed, I just go around yelling DYSP all the time now.
- Alex Scoble
While I was breaking myself of the habit I'd say, "Bad words!" or "Curses." Three kids and only one picked up "shit" I dropped something in front of the toddler once.
- Heather Solos
Akiva, you're welcome to borrow my name to help you gradually step out of the habit, replace Jesus Fucking Christ with Jimminy Fucking Cricket. Good luck dropping the habit though.
- Jimminy Fuller
I didn't have a hard time not swearing at home, but I cuss like a sailor when I drive. I knew it was bad when one day I was stuck at a red light and Joelito busts out the f bomb. I have since attempted to clean up my act.
- Michelle Martinez
my wife is trying to wean me off of this before our child is born in May. It's starting to work. I swear like a fucking sailor at home most of the time.
- Bill Kinney
My kids are in full-on copy-everything-they-hear mode, and I'm trying to convince my wife to stop saying "crap." It's not a very bad curse word as far as curse words go, but it's a bit embarrassing when my 2-year-old says it to the neighbor. As for me, I don't swear much.
- Stephen Mack
Well the "F-bomb" is one of my most favorite words, and I have to admit, I use it a lot at home (no kids here), but I've trained myself to pretty much watch my mouth when I'm out and about, and in front of my parents.
- Bonnie Foster
Sprint's flagship WiMAX desktop modem goes on sale - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
wish this was here in minneapolis. It's only slightly more expensive then comcast for similar speeds. I might go there and ditch comcrap forever!
- Bill Kinney
Photos of rotting, abandoned water park at Walt Disney World - http://www.boingboing.net/2009...
this is kind of sad. I remember going there in 1986. somewhere there's pictures of us going off of these slides: http://i301.photobucket.com/albums...
- Bill Kinney
A real life Jersey Shore protest - http://fourfour.typepad.com/fourfou...
jesus fucking christ. these people have nothing better to do?
- Bill Kinney
That’s A Bummer, Bill - http://www.lamebook.com/thats-a...
this one's pretty good.
- Bill Kinney
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