dick cheney looks like he'd hit on your girlfriend while you're standing there.
- Richard Lawler
dick cheney -- aptly named -- looks like a guy who'd shot you in the face on a hunting trip...even if you were positioned behind the quarry. .LOLz
- .LAG liked that
"In the year-and-a-half since the launch of the iPhone, there have been numerous attempts to deliver a competing “iPhone killer” device. Some of these might even be successful. But for now, it seems the only thing that will beat the current iPhone may be its next-generation successor."
- Seth Greenblatt
from Bookmarklet
"Apple, which of course makes the signature multi-touch mobile device, the iPhone, apparently asked Google not to implement it, and Google agreed, an Android team member tells us."
- David Bisset (sn)
from Bookmarklet
2. A room would have been a permanent repository of info about that event.
- Robert Scoble
3. I could have mixed searches from Twitter search along with searches from Google News and Google Blog searches.
- Robert Scoble
For instance, for the CES/Consumer Electronics Show I created a room: http://friendfeed.com/rooms... -- this room has feeds from quite a few blogs and from quite a few live searches.
- Robert Scoble
Truth is you could still do it. But what would be missing is the instant reaction through comments. With work, you could also reshare the most interesting threads and have them there (sans comments).
- Louis Gray
Richard: exactly. I could have pulled in Flickr photos and YouTube videos.
- Robert Scoble
Louis: yeah, but now it would be polluted. It would be much more interesting to do while the event is going down.
- Robert Scoble
What about live video streams, can those be included?
- Richard A.
Not a screw up at all. To be honest, I had no idea any of this could be done with a FriendFeed room, so I've learned something, and I'm sure others will here as well.
- Brandon Mendelson
Richard: sorta. You can certainly put a URL in to the live stream while it's live. Afterward you can pull in the RSS feed for the video recording.
- Robert Scoble
www.frienddeck.com can have multiple searches on one screen at a time.
- Paul Kinlan
Brandon: actually that's what I'm hoping that next time there's a news event like this that other people create the rooms so that we can quickly get caught up on a news event just by visiting a room.
- Robert Scoble
Really - whatever we lost from the oversight we just gained in your explaination :)
- Soulhuntre
I love it. You are learning and helping me along the way as well. Thanks for sharing. Next time you will be on it...and maybe I will be too!
- Troy Malone
Paul: you should create a "super like" that lets me automatically shove items I see in frienddeck into a specific room for others to view. I'd use it more often then and that would be crack for important news events.
- Robert Scoble
my fear is that all this valuable information (especially the one from Twitter yesterday), will not be here in a few weeks.
- Orli Yakuel
Richard: it doesn't disappear it just becomes very hard to get to.
- Robert Scoble
yeah, but if you feed search terms into google reader you have an archive for certain keywords. Then can download that locally for posterity.
- Richard A.
Twitter is not saving the data (or letting you see/fine it) after few month. I am not sure about friendfeed though. but if it's information that coming from twitter, you wont be able to find it here after a while.
- Orli Yakuel
Hi Robert, I think I might be able to "copy" an entry from a searcg to a room and "auto like" it as well.
- Paul Kinlan
Robert, you can't find data from 2007... when did you join Twitter?
- Orli Yakuel
Only keeps 40 pages worth of tweets, but the database increases, when we look at post number.
- Richard A.
Another necessary element is load distribution. Quickly sites with first hand images ground to a halt. Maybe we need a site we post to which distributes and caches info for subsequent mass sharing on ff/twitter
- mal
Random thought: Google News does a good job of bundling stories about the same event. Maybe FriendFeed should do the same thing, and when a significant term starts getting a lot of buzz, a special 'newsroom' gets auto-generated and starts aggregating items...
- Foomandoonian
Here's one caveat: If you reshare to a room, geoRSS info doesn't come along with the item. This is of concern to me since I made OurDoings, currently the ONLY way to email geocoded photos from a mobile and have them show up in real time on FriendFeed with a map.
- Bruce Lewis
I'll put my name on the list of people learning a lot about the use of Friendfeed rooms here. Does anyone know of links where these aspects are reviewed in detail?
- Peter Efland
Great idea @scobleizer, "get a room" is a great idea to capture breaking news. Like multiple search.twitter.com streams. Smart. Next time.
- Mike Reynolds
interesting. I've never thought about using rooms that way. Would non room members see the posts in the room though?
- Thomas Hawk
Posts to the room wouldn't show up in people's normal feeds unless they join the room.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
I would think that would be a limitation. Especially with breaking news. Not everyone would see the posts, especially right away. It would be invisible to most people on FF I'd think. You could of course post a link to the room in your own FF feed at least to let your friends know you'd make it.
- Thomas Hawk
the trouble w/ rooms is that they are not easily visible w/ most FF UIs. once created, they don't 'leak' anything to the public stream and lots of folks will miss the data. need a 'fix' for that.
- MikeAmundsen
I think Mike and Thomas are right. An option to make room posts appear in people's regular streams would be a win. Right now people just post about the room, or comment on others' posts on the topic. Works OK, but not the best.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Well, if you want a hacky work around: create your room, pull that room feed through something like Yahoo Pipes and then pull the pipes feed into your homefeed. People will see it then, and it should be marked in the URL that it's a FF room.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
you might be hard pressed to get people to join a room for a realtime event like that. most people would never see it unless you spend half the time promoting the room. Might work for a story as big as 9-11, but this story is pretty much over.
- Josh Haley
Good shout, Paul (pph my first post via the real-time page!). :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
there, there, next time...next plane crash
- sofarsoShawn
Paul, nice app. Any plans to make it show media?
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Yeah, Will try and show media soon. Need to work out a way todo it with breaking the columns whilst make it look good.
- Paul Kinlan
I will probably add in twitter search into it soon as well.
- Paul Kinlan
Thomas: yes, anyone can see into the rooms I've created. We could create a private room that would be members only, though.
- Robert Scoble
Anyone can see what's in the room when they go to its URL, but I don't think that's what he was asking.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
this idea of creating a FF room for news events is interesting. I've been thinking about a related topic, how media newsrooms can use semantic technolgies to identify news opportunties, and engage their audiences.
- John Cass
from twhirl
oooh! man, it's almost so obvious. that for sure would have been nice!
- SolidSmack
from twhirl
I think you should also consider a room for this discussion. there was a nice coverage of the plane crash on thomas hawk's page http://friendfeed.com/e..., that too could have turned into a nice room
- xavier vespa
I just added a feed for the Friendfeed Davos room to Google Reader. If you are already a GR user, this URL should open the feed directly in GR: http://www.google.com/reader...
- Sean McBride
Robert, you did an amazing covering the plane crash (and I think I'm not the only one who would say that)! Don't beat yourself up :)
- Michael Forian
Robert, thanks for being obsessive enough to think this through. It's exactly what I've been trying to puzzle out about FF and how to use it in breaking news situations. This discussion is extremely helpful.
- Karoli
It'd be very handy if rather than re-publishing items into a room, you could just create what amounts to a symbolic link to an existing item. You wouldn't lose any comments, no existing flow would be disrupted, it's just that a pointer/mirror would appear in the room when you added the link.
- Ken Sheppardson
As of Jan 15, 2009 4:48pm EST twitter.com/jkrums had 167 friends, 192 followers, 480 tweets (I snipped it to compare later, which is right now).
- Micah Wittman
As of Jan 16, 2009 8:48pm EST twitter.com/jkrums has 2,982 friends, 3,063 followers, 487 updates.
- Micah Wittman
aay, Gina can't stop... how unfair... well, you rock Gina, loved your work at Lifehacker! ... which is why I names you one of my 2 most influential online people of 2008 a few days ago here at friendfeed - great work
- Peter Efland
And where is the "under construction" gif-animation?
- sdfx
Shame shame shame. You made me click on that link. Why dear god did pages look like that?
- Stephen Lecheler
Let's face it we all made such pages 10 years or so ago, as we learned HTML. I think it's great and have fond memories of that time.
- lelapin
a company I worked for hired PR people that used animated gifs in the newsletter (this side of the millenium). A total fail for a company that made graphics software!
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Awww i dont think the counter is working :(
- Kevin Hart
My best friend and I purposely maintained a horrific site on Geocities for a number of years as a reminder of how far our web design skills had progressed. I wish I'd saved the files to share here. It was truly awful (I was a massive fan of anigifs and embedded midi back in the day...)
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
It's like the Dead Sea scrolls for the Web.
- Bill Koslosky
This is actually really important to me right now. I just posted .jpgs of text on our biz site and it looks great. I was wondering if .pngs wouldn't be better looking.
- Admiral Anika
Is it true that IE *still* doesn't support PNG properly?
- Victor Ganata
I don't know how to make transparent files. When I save my .png they come out with white backgrounds. :(
- Admiral Anika
So are they saying that Flickr has it wrong, and that my digital photos should be uploaded to the web as png? They don't really state when one should use jpg and when to use png. And I definitely don't want my photos to look "trashy" as they put it.
- Wizetux
I like how the JPG guy in this comic has compression artifacts. @wizetux JPG was invented to compress photos, so they will look fine, usually. However, JPG doesn't do so well on thinks like text and line art... or anything with really high contrast actually.
- Phil G
author here. glad you guys liked it.. friendfeed just became my new favorite website...@wiztux: jpg is ideal for photos, so no, flickr doesn't have it wrong
- Louis Brandy
Hey Louis, welcome to FF. Looking forward to more of your comics.
- Thomas Hawk
Hi Louis - that was really funny!, thanks!! :)
- Susan Beebe
Shey, I use Photoshop, but I'm not a genius at it. It seems that whenever I make a transparent graphic for the web, and I go to save it, it gives me the 4 options. And then tells me I have to merge everything and next thing you know it's a white background.
- Admiral Anika
Louis, Thomas, or anyone - how much larger, on average, is a PNG file vs. a JPG file? My image excursions are primarily limited to BMP and JPG.
- Ontario Emperor
@Anika Use the File --> Save For Web command and be sure the Transparency is checked in the Save for Web dialog box
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
@Anika: Are you using Slices? That's the best way.
- John Wang
@OntarioEmp. It depends entirely on the image content and the file settings. For "computer-generated" things with low numbers of colors (like logos or diagrams) a well optimized PNG is usually smaller (and better-looking) than a JPEG. For anything with alot of color and gradients (like a photo), JPEG is superior and will be many times smaller than a PNG.
- Louis Brandy
@Shey, that's what I do (I think), but I doesn't work for me. I get a white background. @John, I have no idea what Slices is. Is that a program or tool in PS? @Sean, thanks for the tip. I'll look into that.
- Admiral Anika
"Compared to the typical American diet, subjects consuming the diet enriched with peanuts and peanut butter experienced a 11% reduction in total blood cholesterol levels and a 14% reduction in LDL cholesterol levels. HDL cholesterol levels did not change. When the subjects consumed the diet enriched with peanut oil, their blood cholesterol levels had similar heart healthy changes. The olive oil enriched diet did not affect blood cholesterol levels any differently -- total cholesterol levels were decreased by 11%, LDL cholesterol decreased by 15% and HDL cholesterol levels remained unchanged. Subject's total cholesterol and LDL cholesterol levels were also lowered after the low fat diet by approximately the same amount as compared to the peanut/peanut butter and olive oil diets. However, subjects' HDL cholesterol levels, or the so-called "good" cholesterol, decreased about 4 percent while on the low fat diet. The low fat diet was the only diet that increased triglyceride levels when compared to the typical"
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
It's interesting to see when a food industry funds a study that says that particular food has great health benefits - the pomegranate industry is a notable example.
- Jennie Lin
Also, kind of off topic but the National Peanut Board has a marketing campaign in the NYC subway system with statements like "Do you stop eating peanut butter because you grow old, or do you grow old because you stop eating peanut butter?" Who knew that the peanut industry needed to market!
- Jennie Lin
I feel like any high-fat food item with marginal or questionable health benefits has got a marketing campaign out there: milk, cheese, avocados, now peanuts. What's next, pork? Oops, too late. :-)
- Jeff Eddings